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  • @morganyoungisplayingdrums
    @morganyoungisplayingdrums Před 7 lety +11

    Wow! Other than all these armchair critics telling you HOW it should be done, this is the BEST result of the cleaning of an A series cymbal I've seen yet. Well done mate.

  • @joedurham2077
    @joedurham2077 Před 11 lety +4

    I've been looking around youtube for videos on how to clean my cymbals. This is by far the best I've found after 20 minutes!

  • @jakebutler5614
    @jakebutler5614 Před 6 lety +19

    Haha everyone worried about their logos. You don't worry about logos when you have 50's Zildjians.

  • @ralphbenites1312
    @ralphbenites1312 Před 5 lety +1

    What a difference. Just the basic tools looks simple to do great job on the cymbals 👍

  • @pctips4all
    @pctips4all Před 4 lety

    I got the mag and aluminum polish and going to do my 70’s 22” ride this weekend. That cymbal of yours is beautiful now! Thanks so much for sharing!!

  • @UnitCrane514
    @UnitCrane514 Před 11 lety

    Wow, finally a decent way to get my cymbals look good now! Thanks for this

  • @richardblack6569
    @richardblack6569 Před rokem

    I was about the friek out when I saw you get the sander out ,but that's one top-notch tip 👍

  • @702ringo1
    @702ringo1 Před 2 lety +2

    Honestly, this is exactly how I’ve been polishing my Zildjian cymbals for the last 35 years. Only thing is I just use brasso and nothing else. I like a mirror finish off of mine and it takes about an hour. 30 minutes per side. Just don’t press on it, cause that creates heat and that will damage the symbols. And I forgot to mention, my symbols are 35 years old, I’ve never broken one and they’re the original cymbals I bought back in the day. 🥁

  • @tdawgee
    @tdawgee Před 12 lety

    Beautiful job, i Like Clean Cymbals Too !! Thanks For The Info

  • @rodrigodrummer2010
    @rodrigodrummer2010 Před 7 měsíci

    Hi, i am watching now and I think this is the best Way for cleaning chymbals! Thanks 🤘🏻

  • @Drumtome
    @Drumtome Před 11 lety +3

    It would be cool to see you do a before and after sound difference.

  • @themaddaddy9515
    @themaddaddy9515 Před 9 lety

    ive just finished cleaning my cymbals with brasso and they sound sweet as a nut....
    going to try your method out on my old paiste....

  • @mikeschumacher9715
    @mikeschumacher9715 Před 6 lety +2

    Bar Keepers friend for me. Have to say, when you popped that palm sander out, you freaked me out. But it got better with the towel. Long standing argument; to polish or not to polish. To use abrasives to not use abrasives. All up to personal preferences. I look at it this way. If the manufacturers products all have abrasives in them, then what are the pro drum techs on the road doing? Letting them "age"? I polish!

  • @drumminump
    @drumminump Před 11 lety

    I did this today with Paiste cymbal cleaner (which I have used for years) and this process works 100% better than just elbow grease! The sander puts just enough pressure to get in the grooves but it doesn't heat up the metal. I also used the stainless steel polish spray at the end and it does look like a mirrored/brilliant finish.

  • @jaskowick
    @jaskowick Před 11 lety

    I tried this, dude's a genius. A palm sander doesn't have enough power to heat the cymbal, mine still felt cool after polishing. I have a set of Zildjian A's and they have never looked better. I agree with all of you guys about power polishing because the heat will ruin the metal, but this does work well.

  • @rogmedina8360
    @rogmedina8360 Před 7 lety +1

    thanks, a lot of great ideas.

  • @halseyballistic
    @halseyballistic Před 5 lety

    Outstanding!

  • @JeminiMedia
    @JeminiMedia Před 12 lety

    Thanks for the tip bro, been meaning to try this with a 60/70's Zildjian Avedis 22" ride I got when I got the Sonor 3007. I'll do an audio comparison to see if there is any difference.

  • @horowizard
    @horowizard Před 6 lety +1

    Finally, someone with the good sense to use Polish and it obviously shows.
    I don't get these people messing around with Lemons, Ketchup, Vinegar and Coca-Cola.
    They end up with Cymbals that look like such crap!

  • @chrispeterson3391
    @chrispeterson3391 Před rokem

    I found a great, quick method. Use only on old dirty cymbals as it may change the brilliance of the color or shine. ** On newer average dirty cymbals... skip the vinegar and just use water with the "barkeepers friend" ** Method: Spray distilled vinegar evenly over cymbal. Quickly sprinkle "barkeepers friend" on top and work around with soft brush quickly and evenly. (Quickly means get the powder worked into the vinegar and spread around within 5 seconds of dropping the powder / easy to do with a dish brush) Brush in circles around the cymbal for 5 seconds.... then let sit 10 seconds with even milky paste coating entire cymbal. Rinse thoroughly and then clean with dish soap and rinse again. Dry off with paper towels. FYI... I followed up using a light clean with Brasso polish. I used on mid tier very dirty cymbals with nasty tops. It made a big difference.

  • @danlc95
    @danlc95 Před 10 lety

    If you had a circular 5" da sander, and a fine foam waxing pad, that would work too. Make sure it's variable speed, so you can keep the pad action low. Lake Country CCS, and Chemical Guys Hex Logic pads are great.

  • @YYTdrummer
    @YYTdrummer Před 11 lety +1

    I've you continued to watch you would have noticed he didn't use any actual sandpaper. He simply used the sander with a soft plush towel to buff the cymbal.
    I certainly wouldn't recommend doing this to old K's or anything but for 80's A Zildjians or other B20 cymbals that are simply tarnished there's nothing wrong with this method.

  • @videocast3655
    @videocast3655 Před rokem

    I have a 18" ride and 16" crash, and 20" sizzler and 2 15" hi hat Zildgians that are over 50 yrs old that came with my Rogers Power tone kit. I have used Brasso mostly and many other cleaner /polishers over the years and recently barkeepers friend and the symbols never cracked never lost any metal that is any where near noticable and still sound as good and mostly better than anything Ive heard out there. only thing I do differently here, is I wash them with dawn dish soap to get any residue that the other chemicals may leave behind.

  • @davidbrockett1
    @davidbrockett1 Před 6 lety +2

    Just tried this and works perfect dont even need to use brasso first

  • @dontcommentme
    @dontcommentme Před 10 lety +19

    Cool video, great idea with the sander! Question for fellow drummers: Why is the logo so important? Are you going to play your cymbal or sell it? Bottom line: Shiny cymbals look good at shows, logos look good on Ebay.

    • @mikemagee77
      @mikemagee77 Před 9 lety

      Totally man! Really doesn't matter!!! My thoughts exactly!

    • @Jordmund
      @Jordmund Před 6 lety

      Amen :-)

    • @chriswebb383
      @chriswebb383 Před 6 lety +1

      I just like my logo...that's why

    • @AndrewEwing1995
      @AndrewEwing1995 Před 5 lety +1

      It helps to keep what cymbal is which so you don't up mix up a sabian for a zildjian. It just helps to identify what cymbal is what.

    • @dye182
      @dye182 Před 4 lety +2

      Andy E. I would actually argue the fact of mixing them up zildjians and Sabian both have laser etchings it’d be better to say you wouldn’t want to mix up a projection crash and a fast crash or whatever model. Not brand wise.

  • @tobiyarbrough5239
    @tobiyarbrough5239 Před 8 lety +6

    Barkeepers Friend. Nuff said.

    • @TJ-eq6dl
      @TJ-eq6dl Před 5 lety +1

      Is that ok for natural cymbals?

    • @futilitymusic
      @futilitymusic Před 5 lety

      Natural cymbal?

    • @Timbales1979
      @Timbales1979 Před 5 lety

      Matthew Curran He means natural finish vs brilliant.

    • @B-a-t-m-a-n
      @B-a-t-m-a-n Před 3 lety

      @@TJ-eq6dl I use it on my Paiste 2002. Just avoid the labels.

  • @mikejefcoat4820
    @mikejefcoat4820 Před 11 lety

    You can use Pledge Specialty Surfaces. I am a professional car detailer. The most important thing is to make sure on the last removal step or polishing step is to make sure you polish until there is virtually no black residue coming off onto polishing pad or cloth. You are removing oxidation. Then apply a light coat of the Pledge Special Surfaces polish. It is a good Idea to apply the Pledge after a few rounds of playing. It takes about 1 min to cover 5 cymbals keeps them shiny for long time.

  • @KaTubers
    @KaTubers Před 9 lety

    Cool a transfer sticker will do for the logo replacement

  • @dadam6900
    @dadam6900 Před 6 lety

    Holy shit that is more shiny than it was brand new.

  • @Xtremecarfan10188
    @Xtremecarfan10188 Před 5 lety

    Tips:
    1). This method should only be used if cymbals are older and tarnished. Using on newer cymbals are pointless.
    2.) Sand along the lines of the grooves of the cymbal to have minimal removal and not to distort the sound. Cymbal makes spend millions in research on getting very precise acoustics.
    3.) Going off of #2, don't do this method to often. You're essentially removing a layer each time. After about the 5th time or so of polish, I can imagine a cymbal won't even sound like what it was intended from the makers anymore.
    4.)Meguiars Quick Wax in the spray bottle. Use it after doing this and wipe using clean cloth. Keeps little protective layer over cymbal for 2 weeks, then you can just reapply. Just keep cleaning using the quik wax. It's not harmful, I clean my Fender Jazz Bass with it. Works wonders!
    Btw I forgot to add what are my personal experiences after cleaning. The tone is brighter, usually the sustain on crashes and rides are longer. The ping on especially on the ride is much more prominent but with more wash too. I love ping, but I dislike too much wash. I need a dry ride.

  • @AndrewEwing1995
    @AndrewEwing1995 Před 5 lety

    When it comes to drums and cymbals its all preferences to the drummers ear and what they like to hear. Some drummers loves dead sounding drums on their toms and some like to ring a bit while with cymbals some like drier tones while some like brighter sounds. Like I said it is all preferences and what they like to hear on their kits.

    • @m42037
      @m42037 Před rokem

      Modern drummer's like the dead sounds that's why they don't use Ludwig and Paiste like Bonham with that deep big sound

  • @B-a-t-m-a-n
    @B-a-t-m-a-n Před 3 lety

    You ought to give Brasso more of a fair shot. I seriously doubt the instructions say to rub it lovingly on whatever you're polishing. Rub it along the grooves with a terry cloth towel and let it dry. THEN take your buffer/sander to it and change the cloth over to a clean spot really often. You might consider doing the cymbal in quarters so you can do a more thorough job. Nice job there!

  • @SzymonWeiss
    @SzymonWeiss Před 8 lety +1

    Would you let me know what music is this?
    Or anyone?

  • @ericmay2d2
    @ericmay2d2 Před 2 lety

    Dam thats a good one

  • @MrH1tler
    @MrH1tler Před 12 lety

    thanks dude :) works well

  • @forcenturiestube
    @forcenturiestube Před 12 lety

    that looks AMAZING. im looking to finish up some old Camber C4000's. where should i get this stuff?

  • @timjjs
    @timjjs Před 11 lety

    Touche, that got me thinking.

  • @NYTROOPA
    @NYTROOPA Před 12 lety

    @SoulnRasen The first is Mouse on the Keys - Spectres de Mouse the second Silverstein- SOS

  • @tonyberry6617
    @tonyberry6617 Před 12 lety

    I'm going to use this method this week. I have older Zildjian cymbals. They are a "HOT-MESS!" I play at church. Hope this works well. I'll let you know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @stephe.222
    @stephe.222 Před 7 lety +1

    First off- thanks for this video and the inspiration. I used the same sander, same towel, but with Paiste cleaner (which is good stuff, give it a try). I like patina, and I like the toned down dark quality that patina lends. Buuut, there's patina and then there's crap looking cymbals! Sometimes you come across a used cymbal that goes beyond patina into well, grot. I got an old A Medium ride looking gorgeous with this technique, a nice buttery glow just like new. Everyone who's all "never rub across tonal grooves" is off the mark... that might be a factor if you were using something capable of altering the lathing, but you're not. These cleaners/polishers are taking off a micro-microscopic film of metal off, not making structural changes here. If you were going to fully restore a cymbal with sanding, coarse through fine grit, then you'd want to stay with the grooves. I can't vouch for abrasives like Bartenders Friend but for Paiste cleaner or Mothers- you can stop worrying about yer tonal grooves.

  • @supraman100
    @supraman100 Před 6 lety +4

    This sort of hard cleaning will flatten the tonal grooves and change the sound of the cymbal. If you prefer shininess over sound, go for it.

    • @matthewcortes3786
      @matthewcortes3786 Před 5 lety +4

      I understand the logic of your argument. But I dont think a fabric cloth will change the tonal grooves on a metal surface. Maybe sand paper or something or maybe if your the hulk.

  • @danlc95
    @danlc95 Před 10 lety

    For Zildjian and Sabian cast cymbals, I use Meguiar's Hot Rims All Wheel Cleaner.

  • @NYTROOPA
    @NYTROOPA Před 12 lety

    @JeminiMedia I think you will find it slightly brighter. Maybe a little more wash and sustain also. Not a huge difference though. Should be interesting with a Ride though, alot bigger.

  • @NYTROOPA
    @NYTROOPA Před 12 lety

    @allmetaliswelcome For my other cymbals I don't use the Brasso and polish around the logo. Then By hand i get as close to the logo as I can. This can leave a little unpolished spot in between the lettering. I suppose you could tape the logo also, but it would be tough to get it exactly on the logo. I'm thinking of using clear coat nail polish on the logo to see if that would protect them for the short time the logo is being buffed.

  • @Jordmund
    @Jordmund Před 6 lety

    Looks amazing. Im going to try on my Zildjian ZHT. They are not exactly "vintage", but they are dirty as hell (mainly from fingerprints)
    I hope this will brighten them up and make them look good. (From both sides).
    ...Cause rusty dry cymbal is one thing. But dirty fingerprinted cymbal is another :-D
    My advice? Wipe them after playing to get rid of fingerprints, it will help. Trust me :-)

    • @saulhudson302
      @saulhudson302 Před rokem

      Yeah came out good the cymbal but who is gonna clean cymbals after a gig ?

  • @TheMightyKinkle
    @TheMightyKinkle Před 11 lety +1

    REMEMBER TO TURN YOUR SPEAKERS DOWN AFTERWARDS

  • @Norvind-YT
    @Norvind-YT Před 11 lety

    Thanks :D

  • @isaincudrumming
    @isaincudrumming Před 12 lety

    genius!

  • @djindapocket5143
    @djindapocket5143 Před 5 lety +1

    What if i dont have that tool u used

  • @Dubnot
    @Dubnot Před 6 lety

    The mouse on the keys song in the background? Did anyone else notice that?

  • @leviszendro
    @leviszendro Před 11 lety

    hello...great video but i have tried exactly the same method as you did above except not using the Mag and Alu polish. I've used Brasso...have tried Silvo and also the Peel product. The cymbal is definitely more shiny and loads of black stuff came off however all the black marks, patches and dirty drops stayed on the cymbal...could you please advise why...would be awesome...cheers...( or is it because i did not used the Mother Mag and Alu polish? is that really so good? )

  • @SrJimbo_1718
    @SrJimbo_1718 Před 8 lety

    Hey bro, cool tip! How old was that cymbal? Did the sound change notably? Let me tell you I have a 18” Avedis Medium thin ride and a pair of 14” New Beat HiHats, I think they’re from the 70’s or so. They’re pretty tarnished don’t look good but sound amazing. I’ve been thinking of polishing them, but I’m a little afraid the sound could change, what would your advice be? Thanks in advance!

    • @MeTuLHeD
      @MeTuLHeD Před 7 lety +1

      The sound definitely will change. They will be brighter. Probably closer to what they sounded like when new. Patina-ed cymbals take on a mellower darker sound. It will be subtle. But it will change.

    • @monroefive-o40
      @monroefive-o40 Před 5 lety

      Don't forget, Your taking off material so the cymbal will get thinner. After a few cleanings like that they will crack. If you have an old set of cymbals, clean them by hand so you take off less material. You want them to last a long time!

    • @m42037
      @m42037 Před rokem

      @@monroefive-o40 Ok "Danno book em, I mean clean em

  • @shmicknick7972
    @shmicknick7972 Před 9 lety

    Do i also do the same with the bottom of the cymbal?

  • @RUSSELL826
    @RUSSELL826 Před 11 lety

    is there anything you can put on the cymbal to keep it like you made it

  • @aanjinn
    @aanjinn Před 10 lety

    Will these method remove the coat protection on cymbals?

  • @nadir6661
    @nadir6661 Před 6 lety

    Whats the tune on the backround?

  • @moo_im_a_cow
    @moo_im_a_cow Před 12 lety

    @NYTROOPA thanks bro :)

  • @MrDjshortij
    @MrDjshortij Před 11 lety

    My cymbal has a dull yellow color to it will this theory still work.?

  • @MetalDeath96
    @MetalDeath96 Před 12 lety

    i use brasso on all my cymbals and they polish up perfectly so i'm not sure how your not getting good results from it

  • @l6o6z6
    @l6o6z6 Před 11 lety

    Hey mate just a question do you just rub the lemon over the cymbal or are talking actual juice? Like on a rag or sprayed through a squirty battle? Cheers for any feedback..

  • @jeffbarnes19fg76
    @jeffbarnes19fg76 Před rokem

    My Zildjian A customs are about 12 years old and need some TLC. Would this technique work on the brilliant finish?

  • @MarcondesNunesdeMorais

    Perfeito muito bom

  • @rodriguesrugery
    @rodriguesrugery Před 12 lety

    does's this tip make the cymbal get older more easily or get weak according to the use of it??

  • @allmetaliswelcome
    @allmetaliswelcome Před 12 lety

    what if you dont wanna take off the logo's?

  • @Manofmanytallets
    @Manofmanytallets Před 11 lety

    does brasso damage cymbals

  • @therwbrman
    @therwbrman Před 11 lety

    Does this make you say bye bye to your logos?

  • @finaldrumer
    @finaldrumer Před 11 lety

    I squeeze half of a lemon over a cymbal and then rub the lemon in circles over the cymbal, spreading the juice over it. After a couple of minutes you'll notice the difference, wash the cymbal with cool water and remove the water as fast as you can, leaving the cymbal completely dry. There're some tutorials on youtube, just search for them (:

  • @Thebiggestbeast111
    @Thebiggestbeast111 Před 12 lety

    Silverstein - SOS. From their newest album Short Songs.

  • @crism515
    @crism515 Před 3 lety

    I own a buffer, and honestly i think the towel with sander method does a better job tbh

  • @matthewclements9319
    @matthewclements9319 Před 8 lety

    I have that cymbal man

  • @AttilaThebung
    @AttilaThebung Před 11 lety

    How long ago did you do it?

  • @mikeschumacher9715
    @mikeschumacher9715 Před 5 lety

    I have heard that Brasso has a chemical that will make the base metals in cymbals brittle, making them more apt to crack. There are commercial products you can use and for a fast clean, use powder or liquid Bar Keepers Friend.

  • @paulmaringelli5536
    @paulmaringelli5536 Před 7 lety +1

    Polishing in the wrong direction. You are supposed to go in the direction of the grooves. Also aluminum polish is not good to use on bronze.

  • @bizzjoe
    @bizzjoe Před 10 lety

    I usually use the tip of my Langer ...

  • @JackNorrisPCR
    @JackNorrisPCR Před 11 lety

    Yes mouse on the keys!

  • @tonyberry6617
    @tonyberry6617 Před 12 lety

    This method worked very good. Wish I knew how to put a picture of them on here. They look beautiful. Thank you very much for that tip. Need your cymbals cleaned.........send them to me. Thanks again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  • @moo_im_a_cow
    @moo_im_a_cow Před 12 lety

    what song is dis ?

  • @abethedrummer
    @abethedrummer Před 11 lety

    after you do this once it isn't tarnished anymore as long as you take care of it and after that point you can just use cymbal cleaners like groove juice and you will keep the grooves

  • @oscarbelmar3182
    @oscarbelmar3182 Před 2 lety

    El brasso es un muy fuerte ...usen crema para platillos

  • @moisescorrea1390
    @moisescorrea1390 Před 5 lety

    Top the best.....

  • @jarethhammet3661
    @jarethhammet3661 Před 11 lety

    the logo's gone...

  • @Hendradibali
    @Hendradibali Před 11 lety

    i personally wouldn't do that - using brasso and that kind of things kinda 'eat' the metal's surface at some degree, cymbals especially lathed one has been treated as what it is (on the traditional finish) , by saying this....after polishing (using above method) sound might changed...just my 2 cents

  • @sticksbass
    @sticksbass Před 11 lety

    i dont bother but works good.

  • @MrSlowpoke-jn9lv
    @MrSlowpoke-jn9lv Před 5 lety +1

    Well done. Just to much like work for me. It’s easier just to buy new cymbals lol. (IM KIDDING)

  • @Dmoney2times51
    @Dmoney2times51 Před 3 lety +1

    Now add the A Custom logo on it and pretend its a A Custom

  • @ericstearns170
    @ericstearns170 Před 2 lety

    Just so you know, quality cymbals are made of bronze, not brass, other than that; Good job!

  • @robinhoodwasasocialist.1401

    That took off a lot of bronze

  • @splaijsen
    @splaijsen Před 12 lety

    Didn`t you transform your cymbal from a natural finish to a brilliant? I mean that what you did is moore than cleaning. Wouldn`t you agree?

  • @mickavellian
    @mickavellian Před 12 lety

    Ever measure range,sustain, decay or calibrate a cymbal before and after polishing ? I LOVE sparkling cymbals but sure as hell ANY cleaning done to them will affect the tonality , it may make it better but its not the same cymbal. Charlie Watts travels with this dinasour of a crash cymbal ( 16") that was made for him i Instambul . The thing looks like cow shit flattened out but the timber and sustain on it was amazing . Of course in his word he will never clean it.

    • @johnvalencia9927
      @johnvalencia9927 Před rokem

      Well what do you think these cymbals looked and sounded like when new in 1969? Green and tarnished? Obviously not.

  • @dogbuggy32
    @dogbuggy32 Před 10 lety

    a great drummer I meet down the road gave me a tip ill give you bar keepers friend they sell it every where it's a powered cleaner like Ajax's works GREAT on the zildjians

  • @mtndewman1022
    @mtndewman1022 Před 11 lety

    a customs didnt come out until the 90s....

  • @finaldrumer
    @finaldrumer Před 11 lety

    Brasso is a metal polish, so it wil remove layers from your cymbal. After time you will eventually get a completely flat cymbal, in other words, you are removing the grooves because you are POLISHING! It will sound like shit at some point, I already tried Brasso on some old cymbals as I was a kid back then, and now I can see the damage it made, they are completely flat, no grooves at all. I use lemon juice on my cymbals, it's way easier to use and doesnt remove logos.

  • @TechDecker390
    @TechDecker390 Před 11 lety

    ok who skeeted on my cymbal

    • @monkfry
      @monkfry Před 5 lety

      Tyler Davis Even 6 years ago I would have replied something like “Damn, I haven’t heard skeet since the 9th grade”. Just another dolt commenting here lol.

  • @mikekelly7679
    @mikekelly7679 Před 5 lety +1

    Then when you play next gig with clean cymbals the dumb guitar player looks at it and grabs it. That's when you keep a stick in your hand so you can whack their hand.

  • @abethedrummer
    @abethedrummer Před 11 lety

    you shouldn't and don't have to polish brilliant cymbals, they have smooth grooves so it is easy to get the dirt out with spray cleaner or lemon juice like you said

  • @Kymmi28
    @Kymmi28 Před 10 lety

    In my experience, using brasso removes the paint brand on the cymbal...

    • @sgtpepper1138
      @sgtpepper1138 Před 8 lety

      +Kymmi28 That's what he was trying to do. I personally like my logos on, but the outcome sure brought that cymbal back to life.

    • @Kymmi28
      @Kymmi28 Před 8 lety

      True :)

  • @paradigmshiftz7
    @paradigmshiftz7 Před 6 lety

    Why tf would you wanna take of the logo?

    • @cd3949
      @cd3949 Před 6 lety

      Because the logo doesn't make it sound any better or worse?

    • @paradigmshiftz7
      @paradigmshiftz7 Před 6 lety

      Chris Sherwin fair point...

  • @OutrunExile
    @OutrunExile Před 10 lety

    I don't understand why people care so much about logos. If you know what the cymbals are, then you shouldn't care if you're not reselling them.

  • @nojnoj3069
    @nojnoj3069 Před 5 lety

    BAR KEEPER'S MATE from Home Bargains....Cost = £1.95p......Enough to clean 20+ cymbals.........THE BEST!!......It takes less than 5 minutes per cymbal...... Enough said.

  • @dxb8086
    @dxb8086 Před 6 lety

    See how fucked up the hole is? That happens when you don't use sleeves. Metal on metal is a cymbal-killer.