In search of the Ulster Reivers
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
- A look at the connections between the Border Reivers and County Fermanagh in Ulster. The video was made for the Hawick Reivers (Virtual) Festival and was made possible by support from the Ulster-Scots Agency through their COVID Resilience Small Grants Scheme funding.
My Paternal Great Great Grandfather John Bell was born in Clones County Monaghan in 1841, but the family returned to Scotland when he was about 12 and then he emigrated from Paisley Scotland to Philadelphia in 1859.
Very thorough and informative. The book Steel Bonnets is well worth a read. It explains the different origins of the Fermanagh borderer families separate from the largely lowland Scottish Presbyterian/coventers settlers in Ulster. Just one point In 1641 at least initially the Irish Gaelic chieftain rebels often treated the Scottish reivers differently from the English planters who were given harsher treatment with some atrocities. Though the veracity of many Depositions following the rebellion have been questioned. In one a certain David Lyttle from Baile Balfour 'did play upon the pypes before the (Irish) rebels'! As a Little kinda proud of that one!
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Many of the names found on the gravestones in Fermanagh are also found on the graves in my little hometown in East Tennessee. I noticed one of the graves read, “I know my redeemer liveth.” This is especially meaningful as the identical tone, wording and sentiment can also be found on many of our local graves. This epitaph connects me to my distant kin in a very visceral way. God bless and I really enjoyed the video.
Same here in North Alabama
So much of this history makes me crazy. The Ulster reivers/ borderers suffered the same treatment as the Irish. They were exactly alike save for language and religion and that last only for the past generation or so. They should have linked up, made common cause and avoided 300 yrs of strife between them. There was enough land for all and together they could've delivered the government in London years of payment in kind. They were both clannish,temperamental and martial ppl. Even their music and whiskey culture was alike. London starts a bar brawl between Jock And Fergal stands back and laughs.
You don't understand the Reivers - many of the riding families were both Scottish and English with branches on both sides of the borders. Nearly all the families also had allies (ever shifting) over the border. In the later 17th century for example, the allies of the Scottish Armstrong, Elliots, Nixons and Croziers were the notorious English Reiver families the Dodds, Robsons Charltons and their Cumbrian kith the Carltons and sometimes the Milburns etc. The Grahams straddled the border, firstly they were a Scottish family and latterly most of them lived on the English side. The Bells lived in both England and Scotland as did the Halls. The Armstrongs were found in Liddlesdale, South Cumberland and also north and south Northumberland. These families didn't give two hoots about either England or Scotland... they were loyal to their families and allies (until they fell out ha ha ha). They cemented alliances - oft after feuding - via marriage (sometimes mass weddings!). For example, infamous reiver Kinmont Willie Armstrong was married to the daughter of the heidsman of the Cumbrian Carltons. These are just a few examples of what I'm talking about...
Great info...
Very interesting.
I often wonder when l look at my family having ancestors from north and south Ireland, and at least 16 Reiver names how they would have hated one another .
I think that's a good point .
See my point above. Many reiver families went to America or throughout Ireland. The realities as the video shows were often a bit more complicated!
Any Childers famy in Ulster?
British names?? what do you mean? scottish, yes, and english names, they aren't welsh. Britians a fiction.
Pure bollox