Diesel Generator First And Last Start
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- čas přidán 7. 03. 2011
- As many know, Direct Energy, and others electricity retailers in Alberta are absolute criminals. As if our rates aren't already the most expensive in Canada, they add an apx $80 monthly "distribution charge" to the bill every month. Since we now own two homes, we cut the bills down by shutting off the electricity at the "cottage". We have been running the cottage off 12v car batteries, and the little 1000w generator.
The 1000w genny has been really efficient. I can't get over that it runs for 8 hours on $4 of gas. Wile running it is working to power all the lights in the house and battery chargers for the car battery lights. Video of them to come, no I don't have headlights duck taped to the walls. There is an old vid of the generator here
• Generator Fail
I really bought that generator for work, so I almost need to replace it with something. I have always wanted one of those 10hp diesel motors they sell at Princess Auto. They cost about $800, but go on sale for $500, and I keep thinking I will buy one to power my tank track garden tractor, as seen here
• Lawn Tractor Skid Stee...
So when Princess Auto put the diesel generator on sale, powered by my beloved diesel engine all for $800, there was no losing. I have a new generator and my much wanted air cooled diesel! I could make the tank track garden tractor a "diesel electric" like the 400 ton heavy haulers, and trains. In the summer when my tank track diesel electric snow plow (thats a mouth full) isn't needed, I pop the generator off for work.
Wow was I wrong. Maybe I got the one bad unit, but it didn't work right. Besides the somewhat expected ridiculously hard to start in the cold. I had to recharge the starter battery so many times I didn't turn the camera on for the time it actually started. But I did get some of the madness on film. It makes me sad editing this video together, I really wanted this generator. Put I am really happy I got it from Princess Auto, because I know they will take it back with no problem, unlike like Canadian Tire, and a lot of other retail bee-otches out there. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
Ya those diesel motors are hard to start even from factory, but once you get them running it's just a matter of no putting UNLEADED GASOLINE IN THE FUCKING DIESEL ENGINE!
Also engines need oil
Doesn't seem right, lets keep running it until it blows up!
I mean yeah he ran it until the crankshaft shat itself but...that's still isn't right given it was new
Silas McGee it was a diesel runaway
Pete Mason well was it diesel
Pete Mason listen to the start of the video. "This is my new diesel generator". He literally says so 2 seconds in n
Pete Mason why am I dumb? Also, I'm American, Petro for us is gasoline. Tell me why it did that you can call me dumb all you want.
I like the part where you were so concerned that you stood there and watched it destroy itself :D
Gotta love how these guys are just so relaxed. “Look at that Frank, your brand new $1200 generator is self-destructing. Yea Bob, kinda looks that way. I’m going inside to get some more chips and dip, can I bring you out another beer?
Just a little advice for the future. If you have a runaway small diesel engine like this pull the decompression lever and hold it. It will slow to a stop. A diesel engine uses very high compression to ignite the air/fuel mixture to run and unlike a gas engine witch uses a spark plug to ignite the mixture and will run with the valve open and burn up the valves. The only reason diesel engines have a decompression valve is for the engine to gain enough momentum in the flywheel to get it started with out breaking your back or burning up the starter motor. Remove compression and it will not run.
Wolfgang Engebretsen Pity so many are not reading this before commenting....lol
"I can't get over that it runs for 8 hours on $4 of gas. " Well, there's your problem! You didn't know that a diesel engine requires diesel fuel, not gasoline!
Pretty sure he meant diesel. It wouldn't run much, if at all on gasoline.
Lol read the description, he's actually talking about the little 1000w in a different video
@@jetstream454 diesel engines run just like this on gasoline 🤣🤣
@@BigInjun05 They smoke up and stop.
And if diesel feels too expensive put a two-stroke feel in it and add some additive to it so it'll run without exploding literally
I find it funny how the thing is shitting its guts out and he's just standing there letting it.
that just idiot can do
Should he of stuck his finger in the exhaust hole?
Robert Barta What? Whose the idiot? "that just idiot can do" What does that mean?
desertrcaz
He should know where the decompression lever is. Opening this lowers/releases compression and engine stops.
let it burn
"It's turning its muffler to plasma". This line had me rolling about with laughter . Filming the destruction of your own generator lol
omg still to this day from when I first watched this video years ago that line has me on the floor rolling crying
You would have expected it to be tested before shipping and at least the injectors calibrated. Seems like this genny had neither and ran stupidly rich. Also explains why it was a sod to start.
Dude knew exactly what he was doing, back to Canadian Tire for an exchange....saw this years ago, muffler comment killed me but the first two lines slayed me. . " got a new generator....For work"
@@TravHT01 yes, yes yes. Stumbled on this and still mutter lines from it outloud. While im...at work...
“Turning its muffler to plasma”…Listen close, he sounds just like one of the Ghostbusters. lol.
You needed to prime that thing with anti-freeze and fill the crank case with ball bearings before starting in a cold climate...trust me.
pretty sure that had gas in it.
decompression lever was on
That was my first thought!!
looks like the exhaust valve is not closing anymore.
can't be, if decompression lever is on engine will not start. if they had diesel fuel in it they either didn't inject enough fuel (way too lean) or the injection timing was set wrong, they should have known something was very very wrong as soon as it started because their should never be flames shooting out of the exhaust on a normal diesel motor.
He should of shut the damn thing off as soon as this happened😂😂😂😂😂 an re-read the Manuel on how to operate the engine
A diesel engine will smoke badly if the injector timing is out, and if it's so far out to cause the exhaust to glow, it will be unlikely to start.
I agree with the decomp lever being stuck, probably not all the way, but enough to let combustion gases out and burn the exhaust valve up.
NO OIL under the fuel cap is a warning label to make sure you put oil in it they are shipped out from the factory dry
Oopsie daisey
Your engine is leaking metal.
Fluid metal 😂😂
Wheels look OK..........
No Oil!!! End of Story. They never ship it with oil in it.
realy ?
The government will not allow oil in the shipping of a brand new engine assembly!
+Jay Weber I doubt that. However, Oil in a brand new Engine would make it a HazMat and it'd be expensive to ship. Plus, Oil degrades over time, so you might have to change the Oil on a brand new Engine.
oil is not a hazmat item in small quantities that the engine would use. they ship cars with oil in them
Jay Weber and oil wouldn't cause that issue. it would throw sparks like that. you would hear it start to bog down and then it would seize up. gas in a diesel engine would make it throw sparks like it did.
I love how he just stands there and watches it self destruct 😂
So he buys a new gennie, he struggles to get it started, obviously doesn't know what he's doing. Realises that all is not well because it's spitting flames out the exhaust but continues to watch it run until it dies in a cloud of smoke. That really doesn't seem very smart to me. It would have been far better to stop it and check that everything was as it should be, then try again, if it was no better that's when you return it to the place you bought it, while it still runs ! I do hope the vendor saw this vid so he could tell the guy where to stick it !
So what happens when the same thing happens to the replacement ?
That proves it's 'user error' and he gets charged for blowing up 2 gennies by being stupid ! That'll work out well !
I'm no diesel expert, but it looks like its overfueling at idle. I have operated loads of air cooled diesels, and own 2 of them as my own generators. none of them would make the muffler overly hot at no-load idle. the only time things get hot is when the alternator is loaded down, and they still do not shoot flames out the exhaust like that.
It looks like its pouring fuel into the cyl. revving as hard as it can and just flame-grilling the muffler. probably an injection/governing issue.
I agree plus If that was happening to my new genset, I think I would have powered down to do an internet search on it before melting down the head? Just saying.
***** It does looks like a tight exhaust valve, too much fuel would be a runaway (unless the intake is seriously plugged) I would have either taken it back to the supplier or taken a spanner to it before any further damage was done.
I am used to working on new products, warranty or not. if its made in China, you usually have to go over it and loctite bolts, adjust things etc.
***** I do believe you'r right about the loctite, don't over tighten the bolts use loctite and then fill with full synthetic oil.
maybe the valve aren't adjusted right?
***** It was borked to begin with. It was brand new anyway. Buy brand new thing, doesn't work right? I don't have to fix it. Take it back to where I bought it.
Dude, you put straight gas in it, not diesel fuel
Ethan McAllister you know allot don't you. Plain gas would not even ignite in a diesel engine gas does not ignite under compression only
jack bird ever hear of precombustion or engine knock in a gasoline engine? That’s compression ignition. And a gas engine typically has around 10 to 1 compression ratio and an average diesel is around 15-17 to 1.
@@jackbird8343 never heard a lawnmower ping and knock under load? That there is pre-ignition but really compression ignition. A diesel engine is purely compression ignition. They will run on petrol with some hesitation. Same as diesel in a petrol engine, when they get hot they can run on diesel. Only way i know this is because i accidentally put diesel in my lawnmower. The diesel can and petrol can are identical. Only reason it started was cos it was hot. I knew straight away it was diesel because of the smoke cloud when it started. Following day i went to start it. No chooch. Had to pre-heat it with wd40 down the intake for a few minutes and it ran the rest of the diesel through itself in about 30 minutes. Fresh tank of petrol and it runs perfectly again now. The whole time it was on diesel there was constant varying blue black and white smoke depending on load on the engine an if i revved it. Probably gave myself all kinds of cancer and killed all the mosquitoes for miles around but the grass was cut
OK Malcolm, it's been a few years now. What was the problem and did you get a warranty return?
My guess is no,because its clearly running on gasoline.I assume you know diesel engines dont like running on that.
that's one of the infernal combustion engines, isn't it? ...
+still34u external now.
Oil is so overrated!
Good one!
Probably the latter, because i have a 10hp diesel on my lawnmower and it starts and runs very well every time. and i went 2 years on the same oil.
Johnny Bondrew makes me wonder what the hell happened in this video
LOL Had to be no oil. Like i said, mine had the same oil in it for 2 years with no problems at all
yea that's gasoline in a diesel.
you didnt mix the oil/gas at 32:1
that fucked up your vtech
motoX I'm dead😂😂
Its diesel dumbass
+motoX he was stickin up for you and your gay joke. it did go over haha
motoX its a deisel engine u dont have to mix gas
whats a deisel? 3 strokes need oil for the powderband.
What did you mix with your diesel to make exhaust temps so high? Or injection timing off, but not likely. Malcom Smith was a dirt bike racer.
OK, lets buy a generator and put some gas on its diesel engine, so we can make a video by blowing up the brand new engine, its exciting for viewers, nothing out of pocket, we can return the generator and refund our money, this way we will have many dumb people to watch and enjoy, and of course some monthly google pay,
no oil. when you buy a diesel generator they do not come with oil in them. while being shipped they tend to fall over or get laid on their side and the oil drains into the cylinders so they ship them with no oil.
dj scrotum sack first thing I thought too.
None of you know a thing. Clearly the flux capacitor has failed, causing the muffler bearing to overheat. Duh.
OMG LOL so funny
Omg I near pissed myself. Awesome dude. That's funny right there.
Did u put the decompression lever back down?
lmao looks like he might have put gas in it instead of diesel
Internal destruction engine
Nahte27 LOL
Compression demolition engine.
69 likes, nice. not gonna like
did he even put oil in it?
+Addison Elsasser Oh man, I'm cracking up here! You might be right.
Usually when sparks start coming out of the exhaust is sign of no oil in the crankcase.
Flames came out of the muffler as soon as it was started. I seem to think he put gas in it. Whether or not he filled the sump is unknown.
0:10 "Full of oil" Listen please
Addison Elsasser no
What was the siren noise before he hit the lever under the thing and also it had gas ⛽️ in it
You know it’s running good when it shoots out sparks and fire
Optimal combustion sequence......
Education for diesel engines. If she be a knockin, leave her rockin. If she sounds like a gas engine plug the intake. But the most important thing to know is red means stop immediately. Chunks of piston and oil means run, she's gonna blow. A crunchy knock with smoke followed by death means it's safe. Let her cool to complete the internal weld, and so you don't burn yourself, and bring it the scrap yard... she's done. Unless you need a solid steel paper wieght that is lol...
Say Malcolm, just how much gasoline do you think was in the diesel mixture? and do you know what you had for lubricant?
I like how he doesn't unplug the fuel line when its literally spitting red hot steel out of the exhaust.
looks like someone put gasoline in a Diesel generator..................
kent kirkpatrick it wouldn't even start.
+_Husky yes it would you moron
BlueReaper doom ive worked with diesel engines. in fact my grandpa has a 2002 7.3 ps. He fueled it with gas and stalled out on the highway. Diesel is 47 octane as regular is 87. Not enough heat or compression to combust.
+_Husky ok just to start because everything you said is wrong. I'm a diesel mechanic in training at a local union so don't say you do the know shit trust me I know. first the reason it stalled is because the full pump gave out diesel pumps are lubricated by the diesel running through them gas on the other hand is lubricated through separate means other than by the fual. so that's why his truck stalled it had no fual. and octane has no change in anything to do with diesels they don't care. any fual will combust under high compression for the most part. and I hope you know that diesel engines 1 get hoter and 2 have shit tone more compression making your last statement very missleading.
+_Husky BTW a diesel will happily run on gas well as happy and the one in this video. but is is obvious that they have no problem burning the fual it's just to much octane which then over heated the engine and this shit happens. lol engine that is no shit melting
did you try shutting off the engine?
I can't wait for Malcolm's reloading video. Should be a real blast!
Did that thing have a DPF? Ive seen a ford powerstroke do that during regen.
that's what happen when you put gasoline in a diesel motor, good job
all you desctiption and the behavior shown in the video poibts to gas in the tank. not diesel....
what is the thing you've filled to the tank? gasoline? and what is the thing you used as lubricant? nothing?
That was too funny to watch you just let it self destruct... lol
Maybe it didn't have oil when you purchased it
The technical BOOMSTICK they never do..
It CLEARLY states on the fuel tank...DIESEL FUEL ONLY!!. (I guess reading this is not possible by everyone)
LMFAO. I always wanted to do this, I just didn't want to blow up a perfectly good generator. Thanks awfully.
Whow, a *diesel* small engine? That's quite interesting. I have 2 engines that are extremely small and *act* like 2-stroke diesels (well, of course they are 2-stroke -- and even 2-stroke diesels are weird to me), but which run on some other kind of material than actual diesel fuel, I think.
Even weirder, though, is how *HOT* that exhaust pipe got, so much so that it was glowing and spitting out sparks! Crazy!
Yeah, *****, I *know* diesel engines run on diesel fuel, haha. That's why they're *called* diesels. And yeah, all petroleum fuels are oil--some thinner than others--even though they're typically not all called "oil."
I just think it's interesting to see an engine that's the size of a typical lawnmower engine running on diesel (even though, like I said, my model-airplane engines act like diesels but don't run on that kind of fuel).
Heheh, thanks.
why didn't he turn it off when it got red hot?
matthew sommers cuz he is a fucking idiot
matthew sommers when its runs away like that you can turn the key but it does nothing, only wat is to cut of the air flow to the engine by sticking something in the intake
Vlad Paul that's how you let the muffler break in.
When a diesel engine begins to suck oil into the combustion chamber past the rings or through a failed seal, the diesel engine compresses then fires that oil. since there is no control over the feeding of that oil which has now become the fuel, the only way to slow or stop a runaway engine like this is to choke the air going in with something that will stop the airflow into the engine.
Yeah.... It still had the yellow tag on the dip stick that tells you there is NO OIL in it............They wont be taking that back.
Wow haha he fucked up
tag says "add fuel"
0:10 "Full of oil" Listen please
There is a tag on the fuel cap that says add fuel, there's also one at 3:09 in the lower right hand corner on the oil dipstick that says add oil.
He says full of oil, he doesn't specify if HE filled it with oil or he assumed it came with oil. Check 3:09 there's still the "warning, add oil before use" tag on the dipstick
Also, anyone know where the hell I can find a diesel gen this size in the states? Would be great bolted onto the catwalk of my semi truck to i could power things at night without idling the engine all night. Could also plug the block heater in at night when i cant reach an outlet.
I guess you never read the reviews on ETQ before you got this. Love this video.
I'm no expert but it looks like he heard the word "diesel" and grabbed the red can he uses for his snowblower either that or he may or may not have forgot that brand new engines dont come full of oil. . .he did something wrong thats for damn sure
@thestuffz They took the genny back no problem. Now its on the floor at PA, half price, it says "did run, timing out". I wouldn't buy it back for half price even, I think it has bigger problems.
@EtoMaster1 Yeh, too bad I didn't buy it back for half price :-(. Is your onan still going strong?
@propanemower13 Thanks for the advice, think your probably rite. I did bleed it a bit.
I see you got yours running on vegtable oil nicely, I started running the golden goodness in my VW diesel, working great.
So we all know what happened, and can avoid it ourselves, what went wrong? Did you not add the proper oil? Was it the wrong fuel?
both?
diesel isn't a brand BTW... that sound is the sound of gas burning, not diesel
+Bait28
no its diesel i own one my self its probely the 186F engine
+Luuk Vuurens His point was, the motor obviously had the wrong fuel in it which led to it's early demise.
Technically, diesel is a type of engine. Diesel fuel is the fuel. The engine is named after a man named Diesel. Not the fuel.
Bait28 Rudolf Diesel is who invented the diesel engine.
F. IDIOTS IF IT RUNS OFF OF DIESEL IT RUNS OFF DIESEL IT WANT WORK WITH GAS IN IT AT ALL DIESEL IS LIT BY THE COMPRESSION GAS IT LIT BE A SPARK
Decompressor stuck on. Exhaust valve never touched the seat to cool off. Explains why it was so loud and blowing out bits of exhaust valve. I could be wrong.
There are a few things that can cause hi exhaust temp. Most common is restricted airflow on the inlet. Diesels pump extra air that is not combusted (because it is a lean condition at most all times). This cools the combustion and exhaust temps.
Other cause is late injection timing. It will cause low power, high exhaust temps, and often smoke.
Another possibility is compression release not kicking out completely. This will cause high exh temp and burned exhaust valve quickly!
Ok, 1, This is most definitively a diesel generator anyone can see it in big red lettering on the side.
2. The Add Oil before starting label, is NOT the same as the one that says Add Fuel on the fuel filler cap. The yellow Add Oil label is at the Oil Filler Cap/Port seen just to the left of the right tire about 2 seconds into the video.
3. The issue seems to be lack of oil, we don't see how long it's run before it started spewing flames. But what we see WILL happen without oil, it's not just providing lubrication, but also cooling making it double bad.
Although It's a little strange that a diesel generator of that size doesn't have a oil guard switch preventing it from starting if there's no oil pressure.
All generators are delivered to the stores with NO oil in them so they don't spill during shipping. It's normally a requirement by the manufacturers that the stores put oil in them before they are sold, to prevent what we see from happening.
It's not unreasonable for a customer to assume that it's ready to use, and that the store's put oil in it before selling it to customers.
4. Although the lack of oil seems to be the most likely cause, there are a few other issues that can cause what we see.
1. The Governor in the fuel pump could be faulty, basically not limiting the RPM to the correct level making it run amok, producing a list of issues to large to post here..
2. The timing may be off, making it run a lot hotter than it should.
3. Gasoline in the fuel tank would make it hard to start, however it WOULD start, especially with a brand new engine with high compression. This would also explain why there is very little smoke to be seen both when trying to start, and while it's running as burning gasoline at such high pressures causes very little smoke.
If you use gasoline in a diesel engine, the gasoline will release much more energy than diesel fuel would, causing enormous pressures, and therefore way to high temperatures inside the engine.
When you increase the timing, or compression too much in a gasoline engine, the gasoline will start detonating/pinging in stead of combusting. A normal gasoline engine has a flame front, or combustion speed of about 16.5 meters per second.
A "detonation" occurs when high pressures/temperatures (the high temperatures often caused by to much advance in the timing) causes the gasoline to burn to fast, releasing to much energy over to short of a time.
A high performance petrol engine will typically have a absolute maximum compression ratio of about 12 or 13 to 1. A diesel engine can have a compression ratio of more than 22 to 1.
A working petrol\gasoline engine has a relatively "slow" combustion speed releasing the energy in the fuel over a "long time" giving the engine time to push the piston away, release pressure and dissipate heat. If it combusts to fast, because of timing or compression, the combustion process will happen exponentially faster as the temperature/pressure rises, The piston doesn't have time to move before the peak of combustion occurs and virtually "all" the energy is released at the same time creating INSANE pressures and temperatures.
What sets the timing in a diesel is at what point the diesel is injected into the engine, the earlier it is injected, the more time it has to burn and build pressure before the piston starts moving down again releasing heat and pressure, higher temperatures and pressures speeds up the combustion causing more energy to be released faster.
Since diesel burns slower than gasoline, injecting gasoline with the same timing as diesel can be devastating, as once it ignites, and Yes, it takes higher temperatures and more pressure for it to ignite, that's true BUT , it will burn so much faster than diesel reaching pinging velocities/pressures/temperature "immediately", releasing much more energy, both in the form of pressure and temperature then the engine can stand, causing parts such as the pistons and valves to melt, or causing parts like the con rods, crank, pistons, head to fail.
Also, the octane level dictates at what temperature\pressure gasoline will ignite, the higher the octane level, the more it takes for it to light. Low octane gas would be worse than using high octane, as the low octane gas would ignite sooner than the high octane gas, releasing even more energy.
I would have expected to see little gray puffs of smoke while he was cranking it on the starter if there was diesel in it. However I don't think it was bleed properly before he started cranking, and that's why we saw no smoke..
Feel free to ask if there is something you don't understand or disagree with.
Oh... and for FUCK sake read the fucking manual before using equipment you obviously don't know how to use.
There you would have read about bleeding, adding oil, decompression of the engine +++++
*****
I also suspected gasoline instead of diesel fuel when I saw the sparks coming out the exhaust.
Dude, you don't know anything about small engines. If it didn't have any oil in it you would have known. The connecting rod would be stickin out the crank case. And there is no governor for the fuel pump. Thats the stupidest thing I have ever heard. There probably isn't even a fuel pump on the thing. Gravity can do it. And If you mess with the timing on a gas engine(if your talking about the cam/crank shaft timing), it won't start at all. And a diesel engine is made stronger than a gas engine. That is why you find them in big trucks and semis. So it won't melt the valves or piston. So stop making 75+ line comments about something you don't even know about. Everything in your comment was just wrong.
RCHobbyReviews
Lol :P
Ya but the engine did sound like it might have been over revving. That plus no oil will make it blow up before seizing. But still if it didn't have oil in it it wouldn't have run that long with causing damage. On the fuel pimp part. Once it gets to the carb it would be free flowing. The point of the fuel pump is to get fuel from the tank to the carb. Since diesels have more compression wouldn't it suck the air/fuel mix into the engine at high pressure. And there should be a throttle body in any internal combustion engine. If not it would over rev and blow. I have found an engine not running and found out the teeth were off by if I remember right around three teeth. It wouldn't even pop. (gas engine, but your right that a diesel will run when off by a few teeth, just crappy.)In a small engine like this, there shouldn't be a belt. it should be teeth.
you always have to check those for oil cause sometimes they don't come filled you can just tell by the sound that its running rough.
He did check it, just before 0:11 turn your volume way up and notice he says "full of oil"
idk then maybe he had the wrong weight oil in it.
Stone cold 1 cylinder diesel. Of course it's rough, especially a crappy cheap arse engine like this. He can be glad it didn't throw a rod in his face...
thats true Jo TUWE
Did you put oil in it before first start??
hold up sents it is new did you make sure there was oil in it even a bad valve timing wouldnt cause it to lock up like that
@heavyhaultrucker Good to know its working for somebody, I was sad to return it to the store, especially now I have my diesels all running on waste fryer oil, that would be like free electricity. The one I had could have been just fine, it just freaked me out, if it had kept running in the end, I would have kept it.
What Happened to cause this
Try following the directions and putting Oil in it first..
I wonder if the problem was the decompression lever?
Rumor has it that it is still at the warranty center waiting for approval!
Poured petrol into a diesel engine .... Motor is no longer))
bassblaster505 diesels run on very high compression. high enough to detonate gasoline.
m4xwellmurd3r incorrect. Gas will not fire in a diesel unless mixed with other fuels. Just gas alone would not ignite. Gas does not ignite under extremely hight pressure without a spark. The flash point of gas is allot higher than dies
Haha looks like someone put gas in a Diesel engine
Gas doesnt work like that
Did you check oil level?
What gear was it in?
did this man rly put gas in this generator
it was just doing a def regen...
@TheMrmattpizza78 Does honda have a small Diesel genny available?
Did he flip off the decompression lever?
It looks like it was running away. That would explain why it wouldn't turn off. It usually happens when the engine is worn, but if this is a brand new engine, then my only guess is that you put too much or not enough oil in it, causing it to runaway. In future, if an engine starts doing this, cover the air intake with a rag or something, that will stop it.
He didn't put any in...
Yes he did, at 0:11 you can bearly hear him but he says "full of oil"
Guess he did. Never noticed that!
ryelor123 Why does it make a difference that he is Canadian?
FlyGuy12000 It matters because they use different words, but I think ryelor123 was joking about saying oil instead of diesel... I hope lol
I would think that when you see flames coming out you would shut it off
id put it in my garage amd run it. but id keep it away from flamable liquid
1987rm250 jeff when there are flames it means you're engine is f*cked it doesn't matter if you'd still run it. It only takes a matter of minutes for it to blow up
Hayden Gudmundson The engine ranaway, once that happens you can't turn it off easily, you have to block the air intake with something, but clearly this dumbass in the video had no idea what to do, since he put gasoline in the engine...
Pedro Henrique R. de Oliveira ya he dumb
There’s no sign that the engine has run away. Runaway diesels are burning their own lubricating oil, which makes thick dark smoke. This engine has another problem, either lack of lubrication or more likely wrong fuel. Since the guy has not come back and said what happened, we can assume it was his own fault.
It helps if you add oil to it before you use it for the first time...
He may have used a bunch of starting fluid into the intake while attempting to start it before he found the decompression
release. He did say he recharged the battery several times trying to start it.. I don't think he put gas into it , but starting fluid
will destroy some diesel engines..
It was running at the governed speed which for long periods of time which shortens the engine's lifespan, and it would have been a good idea to check oil and fuel levels before starting it. And you were breaking your back by hand starting it. For the next engine try to let it sit overnight near a radiator inside your house so components will be warm and it will start easier and once it has started, let it run without load at 1500 rpm or so for some five or ten minutes before generating energy. The warmer the engine before getting started, the less wear during the first moments of operation.
There is no speed control on these generators, they are set to run at synchronous speed, loaded or not. These engines are 21.5:1 compression, you're not hand starting that without the decompression level pushed in. I have 2, the 4 hp you can kinda force it, the 10 hp will break your arm.
Gasoline in a diesel engine?
Nope its diesel. It says Diesel on the side and a sticker on the top says Diesel Fuel Only hidden under that tag. You can see Die before its covered.
Wouldn't even start, gasoline doesn't explode easily under pure compression.
Teth47
I've seen diesels running on petrol (gasoline) and it does ignite quite easily with just compression and heat - but it's usually hard for a petrol engine to burn diesel because they don't have the required compression etc. it's easier to ignite petrol than diesel. alternativefuels.about.com/od/dieselbiodieselvehicles/a/gasolinindiesel.htm
poiuytrewq8ff The engine has to be preheated though, a lot more than the glow plugs normally supply.
Teth47
have you actually tried it? Out of the 3 vehicles I've seen it happen on (2 landcrusers and a toyota ute) they all started straight away and ran (although rough), one of the vehicles was driven for 12Kms and didn't sustain any permanent damage by some miracle (cat prob wasn't happy). note 2 of the engines were old school with a mechanical pump and the ute was efi (guessin it went into limp mode). I don't understand why you think a more volatile fuel like petrol requires more heat (and compression) than diesel for ignition. it's the other way around. also there is a good reason they don't use petrol in a compression engine - because under these conditions the burn and ignition characteristics of petrol are unfavorable leading to unpredictable ignition timing hence knocking etc.. (it's engineered to be used in a combustion engine with a controlled ignition source ). here is a table of fuel flash points - note petrol is at -45oF and diesel is at 100oF www.engineeringtoolbox.com/flash-point-fuels-d_937.html. so back to my original point petrol requires less effort than diesel to ignite - not more, what you say is true if you wanted to run heaver fuels in a diesel engine - in which case you'd prob require preheating to make it viscous enough to get it thru the fuel system (like what the do with fuel oils/ bunker fuel). Also It is possible to run diesel in some petrol engines - though it isn't good for the motor. since we are on youtube have a look as there are examples of both on here.
You know you need to bleed the injector, not hard to do, you just need a spanner and push down the decomp while cranking until you see the fuel squirting out around the injector. I had a workmate flatten a battery to start a similar diesel engine on a block splitter at work, my boss got me onto it and i got it running within a few minutes. In regards to the failure on your generator, it appears the injector pump must have stuck wide open, could have saved it by cracking the injector or pushing down the decompressor.
I have the same gen mine was doing that after replacing a busted ring and cracked piston (way I bought it not running) as soon as I pulled the air cleaner off it stopped glowing and shooting molten metal it was not getting enough air with the fuel... Replaced the air cleaner and the thing runs like a champ... My guess is an intake restriction of some kind or the injector pump was not set correctly from the start. None the less should have been shut down but hey its is things like this that get us nice fixer up projects...
There are many different reasons why this engine wasnt running
Gas in a diesel engine?
freevideos051 looks like it.. 😂
A diesel will run on gasoline. The lower the octane the better. Some 60 octane aviation gas for the old radial engines will run a diesel. I don't know what was wrong with this diesel but it should not light the muffler up. That's insane. It's almost like the fuel had nitro mixed in which will cause diesel to explode violently. This had to be some kind of setup. There is nothing that could make diesel burn like that unless it was added.
Wrong, see my post.
a diesel cannot run on gas because diesel uses compression instead of using a spark plug and gas needs a spark plug to ignite
phrotech You are wrong, all both needs is enough heat, and oxygen.
Tainted fuel? Diesel pumped into an empty(?) gas, petro can? I won't get into the mechanical bits broken rings, injectors, injector pump ect. Or cam timing set wrong at factory.
3 Cents McKenna No, gasoline doesn’t need a spark to ignite. Gasoline engines use a spark to ignite the fuel/air mixture at a lower compression. Diesel engines have such high compression they don’t need a spark. Even a gasoline engine can run with the ignition off under the right conditions, they call it “dieseling”.
what u do feel it up with gas
i have the same problem on my generator and i think the timing of fuel injection is abit slow this means unburned diesel escape into the silencer and this added whit the extra gases during the exaust is an blowtortch but my problem i diss mounted the whole engine and reassamble it whit the point markings on cam balance and crank shafts but still the same result for me hmmm is the timing points wrong all the way from the factory ? onley thing for me is to move the cam one gear to advance it
Why would you just sit there and let it run haha
It probably came with a Manual, to tell you to put some fucking oil in it. And maybe gasoline is not the right right choise for a Diesel engine... this is beyond stupidity
did you read the instructions / manual ?
The whole time you had my head screaming "shut that fucking broken motor off!!'
oil, perhaps ....?
Clearly didn't read the manual before starting:)
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did u get a replacement???
oh its just in regen
Lol.. Must be a 6.4 knockoff.
entertaining!
Were u running it on gas?
Surprised it lasted as long as it did.