Best RV Generator Option! Parallel Generators Vs Large Generator.
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Today we did a head to head comparison of one large generator vs two smaller inverter generators in parallel. I wanted to test how much fuel they used, what are the different storage options, how easy they are to move around and which setup seams louder.
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What is your preference? 2 small in parallel or one larger generator?
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Watch for deals on the Champion. I got mine for $449/$503 out the door.
Totally surprised- and thrilled- that a single 2500 will run my AC on propane!
We had set of two and one of them broke once. We had less power but didn't ruin our trip as we still had power. 😊
That’s right. If you have two, you have one. And if you have one, you have none.
flexibility: if i'm not rv'ing i can put only one in the truck for smaller needs. ie: hunt/fish camp
As an IT person, I like redundancy. One fails at night, oh well, run off the remaining until daylight when it can be repaired.
Agreed that the parallel kit ground plug mod is a necessity - why have quick connects for two out of three connections???? That has always boggled my mind.
We run two smaller ones and a parallel kit too - two is one and one is none. However, when both small units are running at 80% load vs a single larger one running at 80% the noise levels are significantly louder with the two smaller units as you experienced too.
Definitely a game of compromises - weight, portability, backups, noise levels, etc
I think with more and more battery banks being installed (solar disregarded) smaller generators will be more common place as a backup way to charge those- but onboard large inverters starting to come on pickup trucks changes that landscape significantly too
Maybe we should do a collaboration video together with our Champion generators compared to the ever popular Predators from Harbor Freight now that they’re coming as a dual fuel option!
Great video Jared- thanks for doing all that testing brother - I know how much goes into a video like this
Thanks! That would be fun to do a collaboration together.
We went with the 2x2500 Champions for the ease of moving/storage. The fuel savings is a bonus. Great comparison!
We choose to go with a single 4500W Champion. It is gas only. We only need it on camping trips about once a year, since there is not many area's to boondock in the Mid-Atlantic region. The generator is used more as emergency power for the house, thus it's a good size for our furnace and our needs in the winter.
May want to check out Westinghouse’s 4000 watt generator duo fuel. Little heavier at 65lbs, but same size almost as Champion. Fit in pass through as well.
Have the Champion.
Added soft start to the ac & made a big difference.
OK, I wish I could lift my Honda EU2200i up onto the tailgate of my truck....I'm too short though, and probably too weak.
Thanks for showing the numbers in text in your video. I wish more CZcamsrs would do that when comparing generators.
Thanks!
We went back and forth in this issues, one big genny or two small ones, but then we found the Pulsar Products GD400BN generator. It's the size of your champion and only weights 47lbs. It delivers 4000w peak on gas and 3600w peak on propane. We have used it to run one of our A/C's on our Brinkley without a soft start. Our Brinkley is a lower VIN number so it does not have the Chill Cube AC in it. I can't say anything about reliability since we haven't had it that long, and don't have much time on it. However, so far it's working like a champ. Honestly, I was very surprised to find a 4000w generator in this size and weight.
I'm on my second Pulsar, the first one quit working while it was under warranty. So far the replacement is holding up 4 times longer than the original.
I found the dual fule 2500 for 450 $ on amazon(where else) and added your RV port conversion . I love it not having to carry extra tanks. The single db reading was app 57 db no load and went up to around 65 plus as the load increased. Still not as bad as the 7k one I have for my house. The only other option I added was a 15 ft 3/8 cable and lock to keep it from walking away. Keep up the good videos live learned slot thanks
Thanks for sharing. Great video
Thanks!
Good information
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I look at all these options and I Finally choose the Honda 3200 watts, expensive but very light, efficient and Quiet ; and can Run my A/C on the quiet mode. It is also made in Japan. There is a propane kit conversion on Amazon, but don’t know if it is approved by Honda. It also have the 30 amps RV Outlet.
Excellent thank you!! I like the 2 small instead of one big boy. I never would have thought of that. Aurye!
You are so welcome!
Awesome!
Great Video, Thanks
Glad you liked it! Thanks.
Do you weigh more or less with changes in temperature? Robertpanick is correct. There is a given amount of propane in a tank, it has a certain mass, that mass doesn’t disappear and reappear if the temperature changes. The pressure in the tank will fluctuate with temperature.
When we camp in the winter, early spring and late fall we don't need to run AC so having one small generator works best for us. We had a 3200watt Champion and it was a lot heavier than a single Honda 2200 watt. So thats what we went with was 2 Honda 2200's.
Nice comprehensive comparison. Have you noticed that the Champion idles quite a bit higher on propane? We went from the Champion 2500s to the Westinghouse 4000. Take a look, smaller engine than the 4500 so it's lighter, smaller, more efficient , has a lithium battery with remote start and a 30A plug with the nice data center. IMO a great dual fuel RV genset. It's about 400watts down from the 4500 on propane but so far no issues starting a/c's or anything like that. Really enjoying the unit. Thanks again!
Nice comparison thanks for posting. I have a different philosophy on the generators and gasoline. I use the cheapest gasoline I can find from the pump lowest octane. The only thing that low quality gasoline does that I have noticed is possibly gum up the generator if you don’t use it very often and never leave the gasoline in the generator when storing it, but if it does happen, it’s easy to clean. The carburetor comes out and less than 10 minutes and you can clean it and have it in working again in less than an hour and that’s only once every few years.
I like the Champion generators with he 30 amp RV plugs and remote start. Started out with a 3150, then upgraded to the 4650. The remote start is the way to go.
There are some lighter 4500 watt units now. They use higher performance 150cc motors instead of the normal 212cc and are about the same size as those 2500 watt units and 50 to 60 pounds. I'm probably going to end up getting one because sams club has a 4600 watt efi unit for 800usd currently.
One problem with propane is what is called the heavy ends that leave an oily black deposit in carburetor. The first time I took an LP forklift carb apart I was very surprised
I have the 3400 Champion dual fuel (90 Lbs) genny which resides in the back of my F350 all camping season. It does all I need to do, but I have to run it every month or else the battery will die and it is a royal bear to start by pulling. In retrospect, if I get rid of the 3400 I will definitely replace it with 2 smaller generators with a parallel kit. That way one generator stays on the truck (to air up tires at the beach with the pancake compressor) and the other stays on the rig.
I have the Westinghouse. In hindsight I might have gotten the two Chamions (didn’t know about the parallel option). At 90lbs, it only comes out of the back of my truck if someone is around to help me lift it since the truck is sort of tall. The remote works sporadically, and the battery will die if I don’t run it for a while (RZR to the rescue). It is much quieter than the onboard Onan, which is now my backup.
Good info. They both have their place. For lifting, the smaller ones, of course, are easier. With the wheels, the 4500 is easy to move. You mentioned about the battery on the 4500. I have had one for 4+ years and never had to charge the battery. It recently sat in the garage for well over 6 months and started with the push button. You just need to make sure the power button is off when not in use. One other thing, the 4500 has a remote start, which is nice at times.
My experience in my monaco motorhome...two ryobi 2300 units for when were running the a/c and using tv and other stuff, but when its cooler out and we dont need
a/c one ryobi is perfect and uses so little fuel and is almost silent.
You were given bad information. The weight of propane in the tank doesn't change based on temperature. If it did you would be creating or destroying matter, which can't happen in a propane tank. What does happen is the pressure changes based on temperature. Higher temps will have higher pressures. The regulator should eliminate any pressure differences due to temperature, which is why you use them.
I guess that's why in really cold weather you can loose propane, there's not enough pressure.
@TraconWizard exactly there is still the same amount of lpg in the tank as summer, but with less pressure it will have shorter run time
Thanks for the video, I always appreciate the content you provide. Quick question; You mentioned changing the oil on both generators. So that I understand completely Oil is something you always have to maintain no matter which fuel source you are dealing with. I am exploring the option of getting a generator and wanted to get a better understanding of the maintenance required. If there is another video where you go more in depth on maintaining a generator please link in the reply. Thanks again for your dedication to making us smarter
you forgot the #1 advantage to the Westinghouse.... remote start!! that's literally the only reason i have a 4500 watt gen. if the smaller ones had a remote start option id get in a heartbeat. nothing like firing up the gen to make coffee from the comfort of your warm rig on a chilly morning!
Yes the remote is nice, we don’t leave our generator hooked up since we have our inverter setup. It mainly comes out if we want to run the AC for a while without drawing down the batteries or for an hour or so to charge the batteries.
We chose the same route, however I am now downsizing to just one genny as we have never had to use the second one on the road. It ended up, at least for us, that one is done. We run our AC regularly off it along with lights, tv and such, just no micro. When in the mountains we don't have a problem, I think because it is cooler and we don't need it as frequently and haven't been above 10k feet an needed it. As for the bonded plug, I don't understand why you would even use a surge protector on a genny for various reasons; why is it that you are? Thanks for your vids.
i went champion 3500. it's right at the limit of what i can pick up (empty on gas) and has more than enough power on propane to run my entire camper (AC included)
Good pick.
Thanks for the informative video. You have a knack for simple explanations and clear communication - definitely appreciated!
I bought a pair of Pulsar GD400BN units: duel fuel, each provide 3600 peak watts, 2800 running watts. Pretty quiet, start really easily, about 48 lb each. One of them can power BOTH A/C units on my rig (15kand 12k btu) - but only after I installed soft-starts on the A/C units. If I want to run both A/C's, and the microwave, coffee maker, electric kettle, etc., I need both generators with the parallel kit.
Question: you bonded your ground and neutral with the "neutral/ground bond plug" (what I'll call a "plug shunt"), but is that on only a single generator? When using both generators with the parallel kit, you connected the parallel kit to the ground on BOTH generators, right? Would you then use the "plug shunt" on one of the generators? Since the parallel kit joins the 3 leads of the 2 generators (in parallel), I would think that you only need 1 plug shunt, or is t better to put it on both generators?
I would actually consider mounting a heavy duty switch on each generator to optionally bond ground and neutral (when the switch is flipped on), so I don't waste an AC outlet on the generator ... but i guess when using the generators for my RV, I'll just be using the 30 amp receptacle (NEMA L5-30R)
Ive been dying the Westinghouse 4500. Good pro/con video. Would anyone mind commenting on run time on a 20lb propane tank?
I hand built a nema 1450 outlet with three standard 12 gauge extension cords. I can run three 2000 watt generators together so both my AC can run if need be, or just run two, or even one if I dont need alot of power.
6:57 - " Note " the 30amp connection on the (yellow) genset - not often found on 2000 ish amp generators.
Oh...that little edit went to blue ...😮
yes, if you use gasoline, then use ethanol free. I use all ethanol free gas in all my lawn mower equipment. I like the idea of 2 small generators for portability and separating them if needed for different uses. And I've heard Champion is one of the best invertor/generators to purchase.
Another great benefit of having two, if you don't want to spend all that money up front, you can break it up over 3 months or longer.
Love your videos, great content! Do I need a neutral ground plug for each generator when paired together or just one of them? Thanks.
Just one of them.
I use a Pulsar 4500I because of the remote start. I if need to run 2 ACs I parallel the Pulsar to a Westinghouse 2500 pull start and I have more than 50 amps. The Westinghouse parallel plug in work on both. Pulsar, Westinghouse, and Cummins 4500I are all the same, except for price and some metering. The 2500 Westinghouse will and has run for 11 hours on a single gallon of gas, with no Airconditioning. The 2500 will run 1 AC with the extra Capacitor I put in my ACs, that is the old hard start setup. Also, all the generators fit into my 310GKR storage area.
I have 2 of the 2000 watt inverter champion generators and wouldn't trade them for the big, bulky ones. They are much more convenient and work well!
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Nice comparison - Also if you just need "a bit of power" you only have to haul out one genny - that is much easier @ 40 lbs. - Cheers!
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Hey Jared. Do you have a link or description for the quick connect for the ground wire? That's the one thing I'd love to change on my Champion parallel set up. Thanks and I enjoy your channel.
Thanks. I picked mine up at the hardware store but it’s just like these. czcams.com/video/L3ozi5rgy-8/video.html
We have several generators for different uses. 1600-5000. My preferred gen is the champion 4500. I have a hard time with pull start due to a bad shoulder.
I upsized my truck from a F-150 to F-250 only to discover I downsized (height) the truck bed. None of our larger gens with electric start will fit in the 250 with the tonneau. I had to remove the wheels and feet to make it ‘just’ fit. What was Ford thinking?
How do you set up the dual generators from start to end. How do you get plug two generators into one RV?
When running the two generators in parallel, do you need two neutral ground plugs for each generator? Thank you for all your good videos. I have learned a lot. I have two 2000-watt Honda's with a parallel kit. I have never plugged them into an RV. I have used them for home backup only.
Only one should be used.
@@AllAboutRVs Thank you
May I ask a question about the solar panels and the batteries that's in our 1996 camper?
Hey Jared, I love your channel and always learn something from your episodes. I have a question about the bonded plug. We have 2 2000W Predator generators that can be linked together. We also have a hardwired 30amp Hughes power watchdog. My question is if my generators are linked together do I put a bonded plug into both generators or just one? I couldn’t see how yours was set up once you had everything connected. Thanks!
Thanks, good question. Just one.
very good video. I also use a dual Champion 2500 generator setup running on RV propane, but haven’t tried both at the same time from the RV fuel source. Have you tried two generators off a T fitting setup from the RV source? Wondering if the propane flow rate would be sufficient from the RV source split to both generators.
We haven’t tried that yet. We haven’t made the mod on the second one.
i think a more realistic test would have the generators near idle at least 70% of the time, kind of how they would be on a average temp night
I installed a Soft Start on my Air Conditioner and I can run everything on just one generator
Great video! Do you need a grounding plug for each of the small generators?
No just one.
i am new to rv and been thinking the exact same thing. Thanks for your argument in favor of 2 units.
Does your a/c unit have soft start?
In my research the Db Level is much Higher on Smaller parreled Generators. Noise attracts attention.
Yupp they are quieter at idel but tend to be louder under load - definitely a ratio of how much power you’re asking the generator to produce vs its max capacity - would be nice for companies to publish 100% capacity noise ratings
A great episode very informative. I enjoy your channel all your tips and information you make it easy to understand now the guy Todd from national RV training center. He says you don’t need a surge protector when using a generator. What are your thoughts? Thank you again for your help.
My experience & opinion - the surge protector helps save both the generator and the RV components if something goes amiss with the generator. Example - I forgot to open the gas tank vent on a generator so it couldn't spin up under load. Voltage dropped but the surge guard caught it and opened its relay. Saved the RV components and the generator from low voltage - high current condition.
Thanks! You don’t have to have one but like @henry17403 said it can still help you if you have an EMS or one like the Power Watchdog EPO for the exact reason he mentioned. It also can be the good reminder to use the bonding plug if you forgot.
If you have 2 2200w you can use 1 (like I do) I can use it in the pasture
Great information, thanks for sharing this information. I am thinking about getting a generator and this helped in my decision.
Curious on the LP regulators? Are you already regulated from the front tanks? I thought I could plug in to our camper quick connect without a generator regulator since the front regulator is already in place.
There is a load regulator and a pressure regulator. I had to split mine and take the pressure regulator off and put a disconnect on the load regulator.
just bought a 4500 champion dual fuel but havent used it yet. it gives the parallel option also. reviews showed the champion better than the Westinghouse. didnt see the vid on the connection to rv propane
Here you go! czcams.com/video/L3ozi5rgy-8/video.html
Is the champion generators quieter on propane or gasoline?
I went from two generators to one 7000 watt generator. So nuch nicer to only deal with one
When I bought my grand design fifth wheel I had the dealer install a 5500 onan generator propane with starting switch inside. We can run both air-conditioning. I didn't want to deal with lugging around portable generators.
Great option and great generator.
Does each Champion generator need the Neutral Ground Bonding Plug when paralleled together or just one of them?
Since we have the Victron Multiplus II inverter with power sharing, I only use a single Champion 2500 dual fuel generator. I tell the Multiplus not to draw more than 15 amps of power, and if our loads temporarily exceed that, the Multiplus takes the additional power from our batteries, inverts it to 120 volts AC, and sends it alongside the power from the generator. When the loads drop below 15 amps, the Multiplus charges the batteries back up. It works flawlessly. The only time our power needs exceed 15 amps is if we're trying to run the AC or heat pump while also running the toaster, microwave, or hair dryer, which isn't long.
In truth, I don't see much need for the parallel kits anymore since soft/easy starts are available on air conditioners and dramatically reduce the surge load when the compressor starts up. Even a 15k BTU air conditioner with a soft/easy start can likely be run directly from a single 2500 watt generator. You would just need to turn it off before running the microwave or some other high power item.
The multiplus setup with the directions to divert/share power like that is fantastic!
Yes we love our Multiplus. It is amazing. We have heard of people without a Multiplus in the heat at higher elevation struggle/not run their 15k AC . We, like you, also find that majority of the time we only need the generator to recharge the batteries and only one is needed for us.
Have you seen the new Champion model# 201422 4000 watt inverter? Looks just like that 2500 you have on this video.
The weight wouldn't change, the density of the propane and the pressure in the tank would. It might slightly affect how much fuel the generator burns but it wouldn't be much and the tank itself wouldn't change weights. The ratio or gas to liquid propane in the tank would change some as the temperature affected the pressure, but whether it was -10 or 100 out the cylinder's weight wouldn't change.
To put it another way, if you measured out a gallon of LP at 2 different temperature they'd contain different amounts of propane because the density would be different. But once the propane is measured into the tank, that that. The amount of propane doesn't change so the weight (technically mass) doesn't change. What would change is the liquid level in the tank and the pressure. That's part of what a regulator is for, keeping a constant pressure out as the pressure in the tank varies.
A huge factor that wasn't touched upon is the fact that with the two smaller generators, if one of them breaks (or isn't running for whatever reason) you still have a generator. If the big one goes on the fritz, you're SOL.
Back to the AC, even with a soft start??
Most importantly, what is the awesome quick connect for parallel grounding 🤣 you have? Homemade or do you have a link?
Do you know if you can connect an extended exhaust, so you could run it in a compartment but have the exhaust away from the RV?
It’s not intended that way, I know some people have tried it. I would probably consider an on board generator that is built for that.
QUESTION; Do you need that neutral ground bond for a 12 to 120 volt inverter, or will that cause other issues or damage? Thanks
It depends on the inverter. Our Victron Multiplus handles it internally. It disconnects the bond when on shore power and connects it when just inverting. It’s best to test your inverter. Plug in your surge protector and see if you have an error.
Note there is a quite substantial power output loss as you increase altitude. At 8000’ the single Champion won’t even run my microwave. figure on losing 3% per 1000’
Do the 2500 small generators have a 30 amp RV ready plug, or do you get that only when you use the parallel kit? So can you use only one 2500 without a convoluted series of dog bones? I know the 4500 Champion is 30 amp ready to plug in. I too use my RV propane supply with my 4500 Champion. Very easy to do, and the electric start is a breeze to use. My 4500 Champion tips the scales at right at 100 lbs, and is a little difficult to lift and store. Thanks for the content. Professional, concise and to the point. Your delivery is excellent without all of the stumbling and mumbling on some other CZcams videos.
Only the parallel kit has the 30amp plug - to use a single 2500 youll need to use dogbones to get to a 15amp plug
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When was the last time you weighed your trailer I recently checked my tongue weight what I found unless my TV is at it’s max weight my tongue weight is way to much.
We weigh fairly often. As we change things we often swing by the scales.
etc (et cetera)
I built a "cage" that mounts to my rear bumper. I lock my generator in the cage and never have to move it. It's always there to plug into if I need it.
Nice!
I put my Honda eu7000is in the back of my truck. It stays there the whole time while I am camping. I have a long 50 amp extension cord so and can plug in my trailer from a ways away if needed. Works great and can run my whole trailer, plus I don’t have to worry about someone stealing it as it is bolted in and weighs 300 full of gas.
Did Westinghouse running at 1600 watts used 3.22 or 2.22 pounds?
You have conflicting numbers at 2:21 and 2:25.
Are your two Champions different models? Maybe one being a new version than the other? They don't look the same.
They are the same model but a couple years apart. The new one has a couple more features like the CO detect.
Does this set up drop you to 30 amps?
We bought the gasoline Firman generators you previously reviewed and it drops us from 50 amp to 30 amps.
So 30 amps is 3,600 watts so yes it does but if you were trying to stay at a true 50 amps you would need a 12,000 watt generator which would be very large. With our inverter setup with power assist it makes it to where we can use a smaller generator or be on 30 amps and not be as limited. czcams.com/video/v4E7oNaqJlE/video.html
Are you able to run 2 small generators off of 1 propane tank?
I’d just start with one, especially if you have lithium with inverter that is big enough to run the RV (AC etc). Even without it, I’d get a soft start instead of a second generator. The only benefit with a second generator is redundancy and more flexibility with storage. I’d avoid the larger generator at all costs (pun intended)
QUESTION; will the 2,500 run just the AC, if so, I think a single one of those may do the trick?
For us it does, others have left me a message that it won’t run their AC consistently.
Jaret, Is it good to run the ground to Earth ?
Good question. Me personally I don’t see the need for feeding a single RV and don’t recommend it. I don’t recommend people using grounding rods out there boondocking or in off grid campgrounds.
but do they run an ac fridge and some lights?
Yes
Does anyone like camping next to someone running a generator? I hope these facts are right: If you are running a generator to charge batteries, AGM and Wet cells charge at about 7 amps (all day to recharge)? Lithium batteries are controlled by the BMS (maybe 70 amp charge - 10X faster). Most Lithium owners have Solar? Another issue is that most of the people that run a generator, point the exhaust at their neighbor. Last year I camped 25 times in my Class A, never ran my generator. When I camp I don't seat inside and watch TV with the AC on! I wish that the State Park Campgrounds would impose restrictions and conditions on generator users!
We have a Victron inverter setup with solar and don’t use a generator much but am happy to help families get out and camp whatever their setup might be. Solar is amazing
So you didnt actually have an electrical load? It was just the settings that you changed?
No it was under an actual load. I had a large load going in the RV. With our Victron inverter we can limit the power it will draw which worked great for this test.
I'm a newbie - why would I need 2 generators? Would one work? What would I not be able to run with only one?
The single smaller one may not be able to run the AC, particularly if the AC doesn't have a "Soft Start." The 2200 rating on his generator is max surge & the steady state rating is somewhere around 1800 watts.
I have two 2000s and I need both of them to run the convection microwave as well as the AC. The oven is about 100 watts over the 1600 watt steady state rating of one generator.
If you don't plan to use the oven or the AC you can get by with just one to keep the battery topped off while dry camping.
Good question and it looks like Henry nailed it for you.
I just bought two of the Champion 2500 generators. One of them starts easily, the other one I pull the start cord until I give out, rest & pull some more before it will finally start, even on gasoline. On propane both together will not start my Furrion 15,000 btu air conditioner on Eco, so I have to run them full blast all the time or set the temperature so low that the compressor won’t cycle off. So far not impressed by this setup.
Your Ground Quick Disconnect link is taking me somewhere I don't think you intend.
I just double checked. Those are the bullet/butt connectors I crimped on. I picked mine up at the hardware store but these are the same thing. amzn.to/3JZJH2I
Either option seems like a lot of work. I like my on board onan. Quieter, runs everything, and doesn't have to move it around.
Etc, not ect.
Good catch
7:40 urban rv myth ... no you didn't run your 5th wheel AC.
You ran half an AC unit. Trailer, tag along, run a single AC unit and a single champion is going to trip out.
Did you try the microwave 😂 ? ....😢
All I can say is never buy a champion generator. Poor customer service and worse warranty. They do not stand behind their products.