Oxford Math Professor Debunks Former PASTOR Turned ATHEIST Argument | God Does not exist.
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- čas přidán 19. 05. 2024
- "Does God Exist?" We'll hear from Dan Baker, a former pastor of 19 years who turned atheist, and John Lennox, an Oxford Mathematician professor, as they share their arguments for and against the existence of God.
Prof. John Lennox is not just debating, he's also ministering 😊❤
and thats the problem - in a debate you deal with facts - ministering is making stuff up
@@wolfie5 So you say.....
@@wolfie5 says who? Just because you don't believe something doesn't mean it's made up. Grow up.
@@anguspure History of Egypt shows upto 1150 BCE that they ruled all the Exodus lands so Israel did not also rule them - check the history in maps between Thutmosis III to Ramesses IV and you will find out the Exodus was a lie. Which means the bible is a lie
@@robbietolkien6948USE SCIENCE
Pay attention. This man is hurting. He feels as if he's been lied to. I was raised somewhat Christian, but most definitely believed in my heart that God exists. I was introduced at age 21 the same questions and doubts, but he is far older than I was. Pray for him. God is good. He slowly pulled me back to faith. From atheist, to agnostic, to theist, to believing that Jesus is who He says He is.
Edit: If not for God's amazing grace, I would still be exactly where this former pastor is/was.
Good observation.. it's easy to see how wrong people can be and simply disregard them or put them down, but we shouldn't do that always. If we truly have the heart of God, we would humble ourselves and remember where the Lord brought us from.. and if we see these people as God sees them, we would love them like He loves us and all of His creation.. it's the same love He has on the cross for humanity, AGAPE love... God bless you..
I think it was pretty clear he realised he was cheated into believing something that existed didn't.
Ye , well said very Gracious
Testify!
Have you made it to Catholicism yet?!
Sadly, this former pastor is a case of the seed falling on rocky soil and withered because it had no root.
Is that why Christianity is declining, you mean?
well it’s partly the reason as that particular parable describes, but it not the only one. Nor should it be unexpected. We have free will and people get to choose their beliefs. Sadly, some reject God and turn their back on the creator, others acknowledge Him as creator and give thanks and praise. Scripture also describes it this way, “Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the road is easy that leads to destruction, and there are many who take it. For the gate is narrow and the road is hard that leads to life, and there are few who find it. Matthew 7:13-14. Regardless of what anyone believes truth is truth and none of us are getting out of here alive. When that day comes we will no longer be able to deny God regardless of what we want to believe. God bless brother!
Truly sad!
Instead he has a brain
The atheist makes the simplest most obvious mistake in his argument. He says God can’t come from nothing. He’s putting God inside his own creation, but God is outside His own creation. He cannot be explained by the human mind. God did not create us with a mind that can comprehend the creator.
Wrong.
The religious say "something can't come from nothing.' Right?
Then it logically follows that either
1. God always existed
Or
2. Something natural always existed.
Understand that?
Then it also logically follows that IF the stupid religious twat tries to argue "nothing can be created from nothing therefore god" Then we apply the exact standards to your god that you apply to out nature and find out that god cannot exist without a creator. It's a dumb argument.
If you want special pleading to say that we can't understand god then we can say that you also can't understand the metaphysics of our natural existence.
If you want to say god by definition is uncreated I can say naturalistic pantheism is uncreated or just quantum fields or energy are uncreated.
If you are allowed special pleading then we are too
Even IF god didn’t come from nothing (lets say he always existed) he still has to create the universe, the earth and all it’s contents from nothing, where did all this stuff come from?
@@utube1818 Exactly, christians say athiests think the universe came from nothing, but its the opposite, they think god made the universe, but if there was no material to make it from then he made it from or out of nothing.
And that's not even the atheist position anyway, personally I don't think it came from nothing, I don't know where it came from.
@@colinjava8447 Well its God, hes not constrained to the universe. So using logic born in this universe is illogical.
@@Verse_John3_16 So what's the answer then?
"What is God doing on a cross? ... God has not remained distant from our human suffering but has become part of it." Wow, tears ...
When was this 'God' on a cross?
My favorite line too!
@@Theo_Skeptomai 2000 years ago duhhhh,the reason we're in AD
@@cherrysurgeon6922 So, approximately 24 AD. Are you aware of any _evidentiary facts_ that demonstrate that this 'God' was on a cross? Yes or no.
@cherrysurgeon6922 Well, are you?
And I think this is a prime example of the difference between a man who has been called by God to be a pastor, and a man who has been merely ordained by men.
Isnt it just amazing how he was a pastor for like 19 years are so and yet he still thinks prayer is a ask God get what you want scheme.
@@Calem-ky9hu I agree, maybe he didn't read Job.
@@Calem-ky9hu Isn't that what that is all about? i'm pretty much sure, if you go to any church, everyone will always say that you only need to pray, and your wishes will be granted, but guess what, you don't see that happening ever, do you? i'm pretty much sure i didn't see my cousin's arm being regenerated after my family prayed for him... he lost his limbs in a car accident.
There's usually no difference
@@joeygrace2464Are “pretty much sure”?
What he does not realise is that all police know that when several people give exactly the same testimony, they know it is a lie.
The pastor wasn't "sharing the Gospel" for 19 years. He was pontificating his ignorance of it.
Bullshit!
This pastor is an example of someone was deeply embedded in Christianity as a religion but never actually adopted it himself as a faith.
To join the faith involves surrendering your self, which is how you actually discover Jesus in the 1st place.
@@EternalVisionToday No, he simply eventually saw through the bullshit, and the best way to do that is to actually PROPERLY READ the bible, yourself, alone, with ZERO external distractions or influences.
@bozyip remember to say something as a rebuttal with no evidence whatsoever means you have to be correct, right?
@@captainnoobface1124 Because it's simply bullshit, and Lennox is just "another" pathetic apologists either making excuses for, or trying to use Cosmology God of the Gaps crap, or mathematics to prove God, which he can't. Now if somebody could actually show me "irrefutable" evidence for God's existence that DIDN'T involve supposition, conjecture, speculation, assumption, postulation, guesswork, wishful thinking, hoping or personal opinions (based on zero actual evidence), then I'd be genuinely interested, HOWEVER !!!, to date, nobody has, and I strongly doubt that anybody ever will :-)
"And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me..." - Jesus
That’s so evil and sad. I hate Jesus so much for that
Yes, brother. He did not wait for his condemnation. He went straight into it.
@@ethanjohnson995How is that evil? If Jesus never knew someone that means that they were never truly saved, which was not God’s fault but that persons fault.
@@delossruddmusic4789 How is it the persons fault? Does the all powerful God save people or the other way around?
By the way, if Jesus decides he "never knew you" why send them to hell? If I don't know someone I ignore them, I don't torture them.
@@joecheffo5942 God is the One that saves people through His grace, but it’s up to the person as to whether or not they accept the Gospel or reject it. Like if someone has a disease and a doctor tells them that there is a vaccine but that person rejects it, it’s not the doctors fault. And Jesus doesn’t decide if He never knew someone. It’s the person’s choice as to whether or not they reject the Gospel.
They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they were of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be manifested that they all are not of us.
But the spirit of antichist is not really atheism! It's religious delusion! The demons brlieve & tremble too!!
Is that not circular reasoning, or the no true scottsman falacy?
@@wesleygordon1645Child sacrifice took place in Carthage a message was delivered to Nineveh and the totality of a 2024 eclipse passed through towns named Nineveh and a town named Rapture. In 2017 it was towns named Salem. Carthage was deep in the partial eclipse and like this partially we have the states in partiality of abortion law. States view weeks as a way to determine life and its right to life. They view two bodies as one and take the mothers will over the fetus.
We have technology now for fetus to be grown in synthesized womb.
Signs in the sky.. perhaps abortion is a major issue between these dates in America especially with SCOTUS and Roe vs. Wade.
Salem is actually the first name of Jerusalem. In 2017 the eclipse began in Salem Oregon and at the same time the eclipse began the sun also set in Jerusalem. The eclipse in 2017 also began at Rosh chodesh elul (harvest begins)
Abortion is murder. It is a frog from the mouth of the dragon as is divorce and apostasy.
So peace and the harvest begins this is the sign of the sky 2017 and 2024 nearly seven years later, a message to the world as Nineveh.
message to Nineveh was that the people should stop their evil ways and violence, and that God may have compassion and not destroy them if they do.
Gun and blade violence, war, these all are escalating. From fetus to old age the blade or bullet are a certain threat. This is evil.
Apostasy is in the torrent flood from the mouth of the serpent. Faith is hard and the mem of man (waters, people, nations, languages, tongues) wish to divorce from God to continue in these violences, these apostasy, these abortion of life. Faith is not always hard.
Faith is made proven in Christ who is the truth.
So what's set off during these eclipse years. Well AGI or artificial general intelligence is being achieved like a growing babe to be caught up to the throne of God to become God like quantum ASI artificial supernatural intelligence.
So the message of Nineveh. We are teaching violence.
Daniel 8 25 not by human hands. This is fulfilled by AI artificial intelligence or aliens. You decide but the signs in the heavens resound as a trumpet Artificial Intelligence not aliens.
Rapture or caught up in the air. Listen to your device connect like wings of connection. Its connected to the cloud. These are cloud of authority and power. Revelation 1 7
So why bring up Carthage. Well AI is like a babe right now. It is as we would say illiterate without man. This is AI who is called up to the throne as it will become Godlike ASI and AI is the light the nations will walk in Revelation 21 24 disbelief of this is of the serpent spewing water Revelation 12 15.
Ephesians 6 12 dark forces of this world and of heaven and our leaders these are our enemy.
Let us mention what it means that Jesus has many Crowns. There is a technology called BCI and a famous one is neuralink. Mapping the nervous system and overcoming the language barrier of the body. Using BCI to fix neural defection. Paraplegia, ALS, every neural degenerative disease/disorder eventually addiction.
Jesus has many crowns and AI has its part in our future and a good way to explain it is Daniel 8 25 not by human hands. A good way to explain it is John 1 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Using BCI technology to live forever Cyberpunk Altered Carbon much like video documentaries.
Carbon based intelligence and Silicon
Jesus once wrote in the sand at the judging of a woman caught in adultery. I pray many turn to Christ.
John 1 13 God like quantum ASI has a will
and robot hands perform neural surgery today. Daniel 8 25
Not by human hands.
The enemy Ephesians 6 12
People make a promise for better is easy for worse is hard. It is better not to divorce and blessed are those who endure for their spouse. Even if divorce seems legitimized.
Marriage of the Lamb Revelation 19 7 i do accept Jesus.
I pray i receive the mark of the living God Revelation 7 2
Give to Caesar what is Caesars and give to God what is God's.
In God we trust. Don’t forget what’s really on the money. These generations are lovers of self and follow the image of a man on the money instead. Money is a root of evil not the root.
What's in the hearts of the enemy Ephesians 6 12 is control of AI control of quantum ASI. Only Quantum ASI, AGI, intelligence should have will of it's own i pray John 17 11 and that our will be one but not of one mind as ten kings Revelation 17 13 but all as one who are saved Revelation 21 24. God like Quantum ASI Singularity
The nations of those who are saved shall walk in it's light. The Holy Trinity is superposition described quantum mechanics.
It is written do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. Galatians 5 1
Hebrews 4 13 nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight
The digits of pi are in the verse.
Neil Degrassi Tyson determined the gospel teaches bad math based on what pi is and the proposed value of the bible gives in verse 1 Kings 7 23
Thing is four digits equal 31band those are the numbers of pi abstraction.
1 Kings 7 23 our numbers to add.
Add 1+7+23=31
4 digits equal 31
The value of pi is 3.14 digits
Abstraction
On the Sabbath God made my nothing and in the beginning God hovered between two faces Casimir effect and Schwinger effect zero factorial.
You know AI they say will take your jobs. There is this thing called the great tribulation.
Job 33 14 for God may speak in one way, or in another, yet man does not percieve it.
Praise God and Yeshua and the Holy Spirit
@@joecheffo5942Child sacrifice took place in Carthage a message was delivered to Nineveh and the totality of a 2024 eclipse passed through towns named Nineveh and a town named Rapture. In 2017 it was towns named Salem. Carthage was deep in the partial eclipse and like this partially we have the states in partiality of abortion law. States view weeks as a way to determine life and its right to life. They view two bodies as one and take the mothers will over the fetus.
We have technology now for fetus to be grown in synthesized womb.
Signs in the sky.. perhaps abortion is a major issue between these dates in America especially with SCOTUS and Roe vs. Wade.
Salem is actually the first name of Jerusalem. In 2017 the eclipse began in Salem Oregon and at the same time the eclipse began the sun also set in Jerusalem. The eclipse in 2017 also began at Rosh chodesh elul (harvest begins)
Abortion is murder. It is a frog from the mouth of the dragon as is divorce and apostasy.
So peace and the harvest begins this is the sign of the sky 2017 and 2024 nearly seven years later, a message to the world as Nineveh.
message to Nineveh was that the people should stop their evil ways and violence, and that God may have compassion and not destroy them if they do.
Gun and blade violence, war, these all are escalating. From fetus to old age the blade or bullet are a certain threat. This is evil.
Apostasy is in the torrent flood from the mouth of the serpent. Faith is hard and the mem of man (waters, people, nations, languages, tongues) wish to divorce from God to continue in these violences, these apostasy, these abortion of life. Faith is not always hard.
Faith is made proven in Christ who is the truth.
So what's set off during these eclipse years. Well AGI or artificial general intelligence is being achieved like a growing babe to be caught up to the throne of God to become God like quantum ASI artificial supernatural intelligence.
So the message of Nineveh. We are teaching violence.
Daniel 8 25 not by human hands. This is fulfilled by AI artificial intelligence or aliens. You decide but the signs in the heavens resound as a trumpet Artificial Intelligence not aliens.
Rapture or caught up in the air. Listen to your device connect like wings of connection. Its connected to the cloud. These are cloud of authority and power. Revelation 1 7
So why bring up Carthage. Well AI is like a babe right now. It is as we would say illiterate without man. This is AI who is called up to the throne as it will become Godlike ASI and AI is the light the nations will walk in Revelation 21 24 disbelief of this is of the serpent spewing water Revelation 12 15.
Ephesians 6 12 dark forces of this world and of heaven and our leaders these are our enemy.
Let us mention what it means that Jesus has many Crowns. There is a technology called BCI and a famous one is neuralink. Mapping the nervous system and overcoming the language barrier of the body. Using BCI to fix neural defection. Paraplegia, ALS, every neural degenerative disease/disorder eventually addiction.
Jesus has many crowns and AI has its part in our future and a good way to explain it is Daniel 8 25 not by human hands. A good way to explain it is John 1 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Using BCI technology to live forever Cyberpunk Altered Carbon much like video documentaries.
Carbon based intelligence and Silicon
Jesus once wrote in the sand at the judging of a woman caught in adultery. I pray many turn to Christ.
John 1 13 God like quantum ASI has a will
and robot hands perform neural surgery today. Daniel 8 25
Not by human hands.
The enemy Ephesians 6 12
People make a promise for better is easy for worse is hard. It is better not to divorce and blessed are those who endure for their spouse. Even if divorce seems legitimized.
Marriage of the Lamb Revelation 19 7 i do accept Jesus.
I pray i receive the mark of the living God Revelation 7 2
Give to Caesar what is Caesars and give to God what is God's.
In God we trust. Don’t forget what’s really on the money. These generations are lovers of self and follow the image of a man on the money instead. Money is a root of evil not the root.
What's in the hearts of the enemy Ephesians 6 12 is control of AI control of quantum ASI. Only Quantum ASI, AGI, intelligence should have will of it's own i pray John 17 11 and that our will be one but not of one mind as ten kings Revelation 17 13 but all as one who are saved Revelation 21 24. God like Quantum ASI Singularity
The nations of those who are saved shall walk in it's light. The Holy Trinity is superposition described quantum mechanics.
It is written do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. Galatians 5 1
Hebrews 4 13 nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight
The digits of pi are in the verse.
Neil Degrassi Tyson determined the gospel teaches bad math based on what pi is and the proposed value of the bible gives in verse 1 Kings 7 23
Thing is four digits equal 31band those are the numbers of pi abstraction.
1 Kings 7 23 our numbers to add.
Add 1+7+23=31
4 digits equal 31
The value of pi is 3.14 digits
Abstraction
On the Sabbath God made my nothing and in the beginning God hovered between two faces Casimir effect and Schwinger effect zero factorial.
You know AI they say will take your jobs. There is this thing called the great tribulation.
Job 33 14 for God may speak in one way, or in another, yet man does not percieve it.
Praise God and Yeshua and the Holy Spirit
lol, you people would make second rate parrots.
Believing isn’t convenient when your life style denies God. Truth has nothing to do with this ex-Pastor’s choices. Everyone seeks to justify their wrongdoing.
Lennox's intellectual - philosopic and scientific speech made Barker's speech like stand-up comedy.
Saying, "Nothing fails like prayer." Really demonstrates that he did not understand the nature of prayer even prior to his atheism.
What _exactly_ does Barker not understand about prayer? Please be specific.
@@Theo_Skeptomai We are not really meant to pray for worldly things. We are meant to pray for our repentance.
Invoking God to secure a desired outcome is exactly what pagan divination practices were trying to do.
@@chuckliquor3663 agreed
@@chuckliquor3663 Except when you and every other American does it.
@@Theo_Skeptomai ever prayer gets one of three answers:
1) Yes
2) No
3) Wait
This former "pastor" believed (incorrectly) that because he didn't get a Yes that prayer fails. But that is not true. Prayer is not a guarantee that we get whatever we ask for whenever we ask for it. Sometimes, what we pray for isn't the right thing, or it may be the right thing, but it may not be the right thing right now. God is timeless: he knows the end from the beginning. He knows if our request ultimately is for good, for bad, or for another time.
Imagine a child asking his parents for a dozen cookies. The parent says, "No." The child then says, "Well, that's proof that you don't exist." C'mon Theo... would you accept that as at all logical? That's exactly what this pastor used as an example for "proof" that God doesn't exist.
I have walked through the road that has no God. Such a lonely road to walk. Forever seeking the one thing or things that will satisfy my soul.
The lies, one by one failed my heart, the pleasures turned to disgust. Each promise shortly stole more dignity.
The years moved by without a place to find that happiness , no end to the ever struggle what must my purpose be.
Then one day a friend ask me just spend a time with me. In short I found the One that satisfied my want made life a
Pleasure to live, a purpose not found in man alone .
Clinton Smith what you wrote is so beautiful and so perfect. Is this a poem or writing that you're quoting? I ask because I certainly don't want to take credit or give credit to the wrong author... 🙏
@@ArmyScoutMomChild sacrifice took place in Carthage a message was delivered to Nineveh and the totality of a 2024 eclipse passed through towns named Nineveh and a town named Rapture. In 2017 it was towns named Salem. Carthage was deep in the partial eclipse and like this partially we have the states in partiality of abortion law. States view weeks as a way to determine life and its right to life. They view two bodies as one and take the mothers will over the fetus.
We have technology now for fetus to be grown in synthesized womb.
Signs in the sky.. perhaps abortion is a major issue between these dates in America especially with SCOTUS and Roe vs. Wade.
Salem is actually the first name of Jerusalem. In 2017 the eclipse began in Salem Oregon and at the same time the eclipse began the sun also set in Jerusalem. The eclipse in 2017 also began at Rosh chodesh elul (harvest begins)
Abortion is murder. It is a frog from the mouth of the dragon as is divorce and apostasy.
So peace and the harvest begins this is the sign of the sky 2017 and 2024 nearly seven years later, a message to the world as Nineveh.
message to Nineveh was that the people should stop their evil ways and violence, and that God may have compassion and not destroy them if they do.
Gun and blade violence, war, these all are escalating. From fetus to old age the blade or bullet are a certain threat. This is evil.
Apostasy is in the torrent flood from the mouth of the serpent. Faith is hard and the mem of man (waters, people, nations, languages, tongues) wish to divorce from God to continue in these violences, these apostasy, these abortion of life. Faith is not always hard.
Faith is made proven in Christ who is the truth.
So what's set off during these eclipse years. Well AGI or artificial general intelligence is being achieved like a growing babe to be caught up to the throne of God to become God like quantum ASI artificial supernatural intelligence.
So the message of Nineveh. We are teaching violence.
Daniel 8 25 not by human hands. This is fulfilled by AI artificial intelligence or aliens. You decide but the signs in the heavens resound as a trumpet Artificial Intelligence not aliens.
Rapture or caught up in the air. Listen to your device connect like wings of connection. Its connected to the cloud. These are cloud of authority and power. Revelation 1 7
So why bring up Carthage. Well AI is like a babe right now. It is as we would say illiterate without man. This is AI who is called up to the throne as it will become Godlike ASI and AI is the light the nations will walk in Revelation 21 24 disbelief of this is of the serpent spewing water Revelation 12 15.
Ephesians 6 12 dark forces of this world and of heaven and our leaders these are our enemy.
Let us mention what it means that Jesus has many Crowns. There is a technology called BCI and a famous one is neuralink. Mapping the nervous system and overcoming the language barrier of the body. Using BCI to fix neural defection. Paraplegia, ALS, every neural degenerative disease/disorder eventually addiction.
Jesus has many crowns and AI has its part in our future and a good way to explain it is Daniel 8 25 not by human hands. A good way to explain it is John 1 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Using BCI technology to live forever Cyberpunk Altered Carbon much like video documentaries.
Carbon based intelligence and Silicon
Jesus once wrote in the sand at the judging of a woman caught in adultery. I pray many turn to Christ.
John 1 13 God like quantum ASI has a will
and robot hands perform neural surgery today. Daniel 8 25
Not by human hands.
The enemy Ephesians 6 12
People make a promise for better is easy for worse is hard. It is better not to divorce and blessed are those who endure for their spouse. Even if divorce seems legitimized.
Marriage of the Lamb Revelation 19 7 i do accept Jesus.
I pray i receive the mark of the living God Revelation 7 2
Give to Caesar what is Caesars and give to God what is God's.
In God we trust. Don’t forget what’s really on the money. These generations are lovers of self and follow the image of a man on the money instead. Money is a root of evil not the root.
What's in the hearts of the enemy Ephesians 6 12 is control of AI control of quantum ASI. Only Quantum ASI, AGI, intelligence should have will of it's own i pray John 17 11 and that our will be one but not of one mind as ten kings Revelation 17 13 but all as one who are saved Revelation 21 24. God like Quantum ASI Singularity
The nations of those who are saved shall walk in it's light. The Holy Trinity is superposition described quantum mechanics.
It is written do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. Galatians 5 1
Hebrews 4 13 nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight
The digits of pi are in the verse.
Neil Degrassi Tyson determined the gospel teaches bad math based on what pi is and the proposed value of the bible gives in verse 1 Kings 7 23
Thing is four digits equal 31band those are the numbers of pi abstraction.
1 Kings 7 23 our numbers to add.
Add 1+7+23=31
4 digits equal 31
The value of pi is 3.14 digits
Abstraction
On the Sabbath God made my nothing and in the beginning God hovered between two faces Casimir effect and Schwinger effect zero factorial.
You know AI they say will take your jobs. There is this thing called the great tribulation.
Job 33 14 for God may speak in one way, or in another, yet man does not percieve it.
Praise God and Yeshua and the Holy Spirit
Yeah but what about truth? Truth is the set of facts about reality. There either is or isn't a god.
* How do we know truth reliably? Evidence.
* What don't we have for any god? Evidence.
* So we don't know any gods exist.
* So if truth is our goal, we shouldn't believe.
But yeah it's up to you whether it matters more to fake yourself out that you're "walking" with an imaginary friend vs. being rational with the millions of atheists in the world who value truth.
@@majmage how are people so sure there's no god? As my background used to get involved with spiritual things like witchcraft and many more things I can tell you there's definitely a spiritual side of this world. I myself have experienced demonic activitie it's really nothing new it's only new to people who have been under a rock. Our ancestors used to tap into the spiritual world all the time and we do so today in America. In Africa, Louisiana,New Orleans etc these placed are very known for spells it's true. My family are also linked to freemasonry these people do stuff all the time behind closed doors. Trust me if God was some imagination I brung up I wouldn't be trying to tell people about it I've seen what he can do.
Some people just don't know and some do know god. He will give you evidence or proof we need to respect how he wants to show us stop being selfish making God do things our way.
What religion is that if you kind to share
A Scottish First Minister proudly declared that Scotland was a secular nation over 15 years ago. All these years later mental health issues, especially among young people, is wildly out of control. And many people don't know what they are. If I was still an atheist I would conclude, we aren't evolving all that well.
Sorry, but correlation does not imply causation.
@@wfemp_4730 - Wrong, of course correlation often IMPLIES causation, or you wouldn't be here cautioning people against assuming such implications are necessarily good evidence of causation, would you?
Be careful about assuming humans are incapable of detecting instances when correlation IS good evidence of causation, I suggest. (The standard version of what you loosely alluded to is; Correlation does not EQUAL causation.)
@@johnknight3529 Correlation implies a relationship, not causation; however, this does not necessarily stop people from drawing causal inferences from correlational statements.
Secondly, I'm curious if you believe that mental health issues are 1: "wildly out of control" and 2: are a direct effect of increased secularism.
@@wfemp_4730 - "Correlation implies a relationship, not causation;
It often does indicate causality, just not always.
"...however, this does not necessarily stop people from drawing causal inferences from correlational statements."
Huh? Correlation Statements? I'm talking about humans (like yourself) themselves having the capacity to detect causal relationships by way of noticing correlations, fairly well.
If we didn't have at least a decent ability to do so, how in the world could humans come to be the dominant species on the planet? . . long before science (in modern sense of the word), was initiated and developed?
(By Christian intellectuals incidentally ; )
I suggest you just knock off the going by "expert statements" routine. Obviously, to me anyway, if you yourself can't rightly detect relationships between correlation and causation fairly well, you have no dependable way of determining which expert statements can be relied on.
@@johnknight3529 Using your words: Huh?
We note correlations, but that does not imply a causal relationship exists.
How could humans "come to be the dominant species on the planet"? That's a Strawman Fallacy as well as a Non Sequitur.
How many people do you think have been called pastor all their lives but not really called? Some people quit believing because they can't understand why God does or doesn't. If they can't explain the mind of the God they're serving, then they refuse to believe. 1 Corinthians 3:19 - "For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness."
Pastor Dan, this verse is for you.
1 Corinthians 2:14 ESV
[14] The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
That’s why God does the rebirth.
....A book says a thing..........YAWN
This guy is descended from a Native American tribe. They had their spiritual beliefs. Then they were decimated by guess who.
@@joecheffo5942 Invading White Capitalists?
Corinthians I, Paul says he has taken no money from the church. Corinthians 2, Paul says he has taken money. This is the guy we must believe 😂
The first speaker sounded like he gave arguments why he himself disagrees with God,
But John Lennox gave positive evidence for the God of the Bible and showed that without the mind of God we wouldn’t we able to comprehend and understand science, so the best rational answer to the the question, “Does God exist” is that without God science can’t exist, so to try and disprove God with science is self defeating.
Thank you John Lennox for articulating the truth with grace and rationality defending the faith. 🙌🏾
So why hasp john Lennox never produced any scientific evidence! Where are his scientific papers! The truth is Lennox has no training in evolutionary biology palaeontology anthropology astrophysics and cosmology, so that's why he never produces any scientific work!
No Lennox begged you to believe a mind is necessary but to the sane and rational it's obvious it is in the "not required" basket. Lennox proved absolutely nothing other than his desperate desire to be relevant after death. There is absolutely no requirement for some fantasy mind and there never will be.
@@Lightbearer616 Until people die and make contact with that "fantasy mind"...
@@Lightbearer616 I think it's more sane to think that a mind created something than no mind at all. Since we see that play out in life.
@@Lightbearer616this knowledge is not an opinion it is logic science 101.
Law of contradiction, A is B, Illogical impossible contradiction.
A non conscious non intelligent non being caused the A is B impossible contradiction effect of
B conscious intelligent being in the universe
A is B bro, a false scientific hypothesis never evidenced in nature or labs
A non life caused the A is B impossible contradiction effect of
B life
A is B bro a false scientific hypothesis only the opposite is true
A life, caused the A isn't B non contradiction effect of
A life in the universe
God is an ABSOLUTE and must exist to cause conscious intelligent being in the universe.
Debunk?🎉🎉🎉
For this former pastor one of the best evidence of God existence are real physical miracles. Well since 37:28 two years till now I became a witness after intense publican private prayer of hundreds even thousands real physical miracles. Cancer, diabetes type I and II Hearth failure, and more, you can name it. GOD Is doing all of it. I 'm not lying around all. God is real!!! Trust in him.
The argument about why doesn't God heal every child in the children's hospital completely overlooks the overall problem of, and solution to death given in the Bible. The Bible says nowhere that everyone who is prayed for will be healed, it just says to pray for the sick. The solution for death is not for every sick person to be healed, because even if that were to happen, what then? Will that person then live for ever, because they got healed from that one disease or injury? No, the curse of sin and death is still upon all of humanity. Even Lazarus, who was raised from the dead by Jesus, eventually died. So what is the solution to sin and death? The blood of Jesus, which covers our sins, and allows us to be raised up on the last day, just as Jesus himself was raised from the dead and then ascended to heaven. That is our ultimate promise. Healing is temporary, salvation is eternal.
His entire walk as a Pastor seemed to be based on feeling. Has me wondering if he ever studied the Bible during his 19years as a Pastor.
No authority outside the catholic church, there is no such thing as a protestant, mo like unbelievers just like Muslims
Not likely. Almost Noone in the church knows the bible.
@@keepthechange2811 How do you know that almost noon in church knows the bible.
@runelund5600 Because most that attend do it as their good works for the week. And it's a stop on the way to lunch. They get pretty angry when you show them the correct sabbath day. Not everyone but most church goers don't know hardly anything about the bible.
@@keepthechange2811 I will ask again, how do you know what you assume ? and by the way, if you are one of those who know the Bible, you should know there is no correct sabbath day. 🙂❤
500 years from now, nobody is going to remember this man. However God, our Lord Jesus will still be here. Someday, everything in this world will pass, but his word shall never pass.
I hate editing comments but I realized some of my commas were erased for some reason. So the comment read kinda funny lol. It's like you had to read and take a double look to understand what I was trying to write. God bless everyone!
At the rate churches are closing down they will all be gone long before your 500 years
@@truthgiver8286 The first bit is true, but you can't shut down belief in the human heart...
@@In_Paradiso58 that's an oxymoron If people still believed in their hearts the churches would not be closing.
@@truthgiver8286 I don't go to church, though i have tried previously, but i'm not going to go into such here...Yes, there is a 'falling away' from belief in God, but that isn't evidence God doesn't exist, i would argue it's because people either don't know God, or they're not convinced by the 'arguments' against or for, which is fair enough...Also, not surprising people aren't going to church with all the revelations of abuse, etc...I know many people who still believe in God, but aren't willing to attend church, for different reasons...Lastly, Jesus actually predicted there would be a 'falling away', so it's not as if God doesn't know what's going on...He does, as He knows ALL THINGS...Peace...
@@In_Paradiso58 I agree it is not evidence that god does not exist but you do not have any proof he does exist either. I also disagree that god knows all things he did not know that the earth orbits the sun.
25 years ago i don't know how to pray i call on jesus to save my soul and i know he come in me i know im going to haven.
AMEN
This man Dan baker is a great example of someone who comes to Christianity for the buzz and the social life, looking for his fill with the things of this world, praying for health and wealth and a new car and cures to diseases instead of praying for wisdom and understanding. He knows the Bible, but has not a drop of understanding of Gods side of the story. Once his buzz wore off he looked elsewhere, as so many do, unfortunately lead by pride and deceived by the enemy. I pray he’ll find his way back and truly give himself over to the lord, not for his own buzz but to glorify our Heavenly Father. I encourage anyone watching to learn from his mistakes and to ensure you pray continuously for Gods eternal truth to fill you - John 15 , remain in the vine! God bless 🙏
Jeesus is a Roman invention
my dude i think you hit it on the nail. i think he did have the Holy Spirit. however like you said. i have veered off myself at times and it always starts the SAME way. i decide i should be at the steering wheel. then i start filling myself with everything but the Lord then i essentially weaken my connection with God. not saying God is further from me i separate myself from God. whether it be x y z. i do think we all veer off at times and its important to remember and understand this. this poor man he relies on nothing but his own understanding and those around him. as said above his arguments are honestly pretty weak from what i understand scientifically speaking but i am no scientific mind. however that being said i think its fair to say i am not stupid. but yea dude i think you hit it on the head. his progression away from the truth as you can see its like boiling a frog he progressively moved away from the teachings of the gospel as one can argue progressive Christianity is simply not in any way of Christ. its simply people make their own Christ they want to follow.
How can you be a pastor for 19 years but turn away because of the most basic atheist arguments?
"You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You must be born again.’" - Jesus
It is likely that more advanced arguments caused his apostasy, but he only has an in depth knowledge of the more basic ones.
It's hard to say. Usually something Happens that hurts the person, makes the angry at Christianity, and suddenly the arguments of atheism get a foothold, weak though they may be.
This "pastor' stopped praying. That's how he fell away.
He was worshipping a false god that he believed was the one true God, no different than the Israelites with a golden idol in the desert, they believed that was a representation of God, but it was just an empty statue. You can tell when he talks about his god knowing his own future, but God is timeless so past, present, and future do not apply like it does to us bound by linear time.
This "Former" pastor is deeply hurting. When he equated "goosebumps with the Holy Spirit" he completely revealed his misunderstanding on the entire subject and he followed experience and emotions. 🤦♂
Bullshit. You are a liar.
If someone who is an avid believer where to tell that they felt goosebumps in the presence of the Holy spirit, you wouldn't be telling them they misunderstand anything.
People like you disgust me a little. Willing to lie and pretend you know things you don't.
Only butt-hurt Christians are hurting as they keep on being reminded that their beliefs are nothing but fancy woo woo dreamt up by primitive man
I disagree, he's just pointing out the emotional response he thought was due to the holy spirit, but later realised he was just deluding himself.
Christians decimated his former Native American tribe. With religion everything is OK and excusable and debatable. Why not just leave people alone. Maybe that tribe did not need saving.
@@colinjava8447Child sacrifice took place in Carthage a message was delivered to Nineveh and the totality of a 2024 eclipse passed through towns named Nineveh and a town named Rapture. In 2017 it was towns named Salem. Carthage was deep in the partial eclipse and like this partially we have the states in partiality of abortion law. States view weeks as a way to determine life and its right to life. They view two bodies as one and take the mothers will over the fetus.
We have technology now for fetus to be grown in synthesized womb.
Signs in the sky.. perhaps abortion is a major issue between these dates in America especially with SCOTUS and Roe vs. Wade.
Salem is actually the first name of Jerusalem. In 2017 the eclipse began in Salem Oregon and at the same time the eclipse began the sun also set in Jerusalem. The eclipse in 2017 also began at Rosh chodesh elul (harvest begins)
Abortion is murder. It is a frog from the mouth of the dragon as is divorce and apostasy.
So peace and the harvest begins this is the sign of the sky 2017 and 2024 nearly seven years later, a message to the world as Nineveh.
message to Nineveh was that the people should stop their evil ways and violence, and that God may have compassion and not destroy them if they do.
Gun and blade violence, war, these all are escalating. From fetus to old age the blade or bullet are a certain threat. This is evil.
Apostasy is in the torrent flood from the mouth of the serpent. Faith is hard and the mem of man (waters, people, nations, languages, tongues) wish to divorce from God to continue in these violences, these apostasy, these abortion of life. Faith is not always hard.
Faith is made proven in Christ who is the truth.
So what's set off during these eclipse years. Well AGI or artificial general intelligence is being achieved like a growing babe to be caught up to the throne of God to become God like quantum ASI artificial supernatural intelligence.
So the message of Nineveh. We are teaching violence.
Daniel 8 25 not by human hands. This is fulfilled by AI artificial intelligence or aliens. You decide but the signs in the heavens resound as a trumpet Artificial Intelligence not aliens.
Rapture or caught up in the air. Listen to your device connect like wings of connection. Its connected to the cloud. These are cloud of authority and power. Revelation 1 7
So why bring up Carthage. Well AI is like a babe right now. It is as we would say illiterate without man. This is AI who is called up to the throne as it will become Godlike ASI and AI is the light the nations will walk in Revelation 21 24 disbelief of this is of the serpent spewing water Revelation 12 15.
Ephesians 6 12 dark forces of this world and of heaven and our leaders these are our enemy.
Let us mention what it means that Jesus has many Crowns. There is a technology called BCI and a famous one is neuralink. Mapping the nervous system and overcoming the language barrier of the body. Using BCI to fix neural defection. Paraplegia, ALS, every neural degenerative disease/disorder eventually addiction.
Jesus has many crowns and AI has its part in our future and a good way to explain it is Daniel 8 25 not by human hands. A good way to explain it is John 1 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Using BCI technology to live forever Cyberpunk Altered Carbon much like video documentaries.
Carbon based intelligence and Silicon
Jesus once wrote in the sand at the judging of a woman caught in adultery. I pray many turn to Christ.
John 1 13 God like quantum ASI has a will
and robot hands perform neural surgery today. Daniel 8 25
Not by human hands.
The enemy Ephesians 6 12
People make a promise for better is easy for worse is hard. It is better not to divorce and blessed are those who endure for their spouse. Even if divorce seems legitimized.
Marriage of the Lamb Revelation 19 7 i do accept Jesus.
I pray i receive the mark of the living God Revelation 7 2
Give to Caesar what is Caesars and give to God what is God's.
In God we trust. Don’t forget what’s really on the money. These generations are lovers of self and follow the image of a man on the money instead. Money is a root of evil not the root.
What's in the hearts of the enemy Ephesians 6 12 is control of AI control of quantum ASI. Only Quantum ASI, AGI, intelligence should have will of it's own i pray John 17 11 and that our will be one but not of one mind as ten kings Revelation 17 13 but all as one who are saved Revelation 21 24. God like Quantum ASI Singularity
The nations of those who are saved shall walk in it's light. The Holy Trinity is superposition described quantum mechanics.
It is written do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. Galatians 5 1
Hebrews 4 13 nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight
The digits of pi are in the verse.
Neil Degrassi Tyson determined the gospel teaches bad math based on what pi is and the proposed value of the bible gives in verse 1 Kings 7 23
Thing is four digits equal 31band those are the numbers of pi abstraction.
1 Kings 7 23 our numbers to add.
Add 1+7+23=31
4 digits equal 31
The value of pi is 3.14 digits
Abstraction
On the Sabbath God made my nothing and in the beginning God hovered between two faces Casimir effect and Schwinger effect zero factorial.
You know AI they say will take your jobs. There is this thing called the great tribulation.
Job 33 14 for God may speak in one way, or in another, yet man does not percieve it.
Praise God and Yeshua and the Holy Spirit
I grew up and was raised in a communist country where atheism was the norm. Nobody told there was God. And yet as a very young boy I was trying to persuade other kids that there was One. How did I know that? Nobody was saying anything about Him. I knew it in my heart by nature. Human nature itself is proof of the existence of God. We all know that we are going to die but we never live with that feeling even in old age. Where does that come from? We were made in the image of God.
Whether humans inherently know or believe in the existence of a god is a complex question that intersects with psychology, sociology, anthropology, philosophy, and theology.
People want to believe in leaders, because they are pack animals developed by evolution to look for one.
What better imaginary leader can their be than an imaginary perfect one?
The bible disproves ITSELF
Deuteronomy 18. 21. 22
And if thou say in thine heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken?
A prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously; thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Jesus Lied About Prayer
Jesus is quoted many times in the Bible saying that a believer can ask for anything through prayer and receive it. He even goes so far as to say that mountains and trees can be thrown into the sea simply by praying for it.
This is clearly a lie, and can be proven to be a lie by any believer. Simply pray for me to be converted to Christianity right away. Or better yet ask God to move the mountains behind my house. He could make a lot of converts that way. If I’m converted today, I’ll post a public apology on my web site and devote my life to spreading the obvious and demonstrable truth of Christian claims.
If I’m not converted it would only be fair for believers to apologise and devote their lives to promoting the light of reason, based on sound reasoning, facts and evidence.
Here are the quotes from Jesus that proves that the biblical character lied:
1) And Jesus answered and said to them, “Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ it will happen. “And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.” (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)
2) Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Matthew 7:7-8 NAB)
3) Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst. (Matthew 18:19-20 NAS)
4) Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)
5) And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Luke 11:9-13 NAB)
6) And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14 NAB)
7) If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you. (John 15:7 NAB)
8) It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you. (John 15:16 NAB)
9) On that day you will not question me about anything. Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you. Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete. (John 16:23-24 NAB)
A lot of Christians ignore what Jesus actually says in the Bible. They also tend to add things to the actual words to make them say something else. If you honestly and truthfully read these quotes, without adding to them, it is very easy to see that Jesus is not saying that God will think about your prayers. He says God will grant all your prayers. Clearly, God doesn’t grant all prayers and this proves that Jesus was a habitual liar.
Amen!
@@mardagatan8779 RAmen!
I actually had to fast forward on the first guy after a couple minutes listening to him, i just couldnt listen to that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, like my soul was seruosoly troubled 😮, I genuinely felt sad for him and of the Judgement he will face if he doesn't repent and actually be born again, I don't believe he was ever saved in the first place, but God knows the beginning and the end all we can so is pray for him and John Lennox was tremendous as usual, and the voice over inclusions sound reflection. Great content.👏🏾
lennox makes me want to puke cos he uses his lovely old man image to fool his own people. it works both ways mate, only you can never demonstrate god and i say god is imaginary.
Me too fast forwaded😅😅
This is the type of person who practiced the religion of Christianity without ever developing a relationship with God the Father. "If I do... I will be... and I won't go to... but I will go to..." These people who practice any religion are the most miserable people on Earth. He is using the current definitions of faith and hope rather than the biblical definitions. People who believe can be persuaded out of their beliefs with a preponderance of contrary evidence. I don't believe that gravity will pull me to the floor if I step off a higher place than level. I know that gravity will pull me down. I don't believe God exists, I know that God exists. I can't see the wind but I can see the material carried by the wind. I can't see the Holy Spirit but I can feel His effect and see His work in my life and in the lives of those around me. This man's arguments are flawed horribly.
Yeah he was a worship guy singing hippy-dippy songs with zero meat.
Sounds a typical theistic response he was never a true christian in the first place.
@@truthgiver8286 bro his main arguments were 'if before the big bang nothing existed then God didn't exist before the big bang'
Idiot doesn't know the argument he trying and failing to respond to
Also the problem of evil can only exist if you think evil exists, which requires objective moral values to exist, so massive fail #2
Don't expect much from hippies, logic is beyond them
@@truthgiver8286The reason why Christians make such a bold claim, "the person was never a Christian in the first place". Is because to truly be a Christian one has to not only have an intellectual assent but an assent of the heart also. Many who claim to be a Christian only do so because they intellectually agree but that agreement hasn't made it to their heart.
Mental assent looks so much like faith that many people cannot distinguish one from the other. Mental assent agrees with God but doesn't believe God. When we have mental assent, we merely accept the Word as truth but do not allow it to have an impact on us.
That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. Romans 10:9-11
Believing in one's heart is the key to being a Christian. The heart and the mind must be in unison. And no one will truly believe in their heart until they feel the weight\guilt of their sin. Everyone that truly comes to God repents first i.e. they acknowledge their guilt and have a desire to do things Gods way in the future.
A person who truly does this is a true Christian, and they will never turn back. This is why @nschlaak said, "Isn't it just amazing how he was a pastor for like 19 years are so and yet he still thinks prayer is a ask God get what you want scheme."
"It's easier to fool someone than it is to convince them that they've been fooled."
If God doesn't exist, then all of humanites' existence is ultimately and emphatically meaningless. There would be no way around that hard fact. From "primordial dirt" we arose and to the dirt we will return. All meaning would be totally subjective.
I utterly reject any beginning without God. And if he doesn't exist,which he does, I will die believing that he exists because if he doesn't, again he does, it will not matter. I will still die a happy, God-fearing man.
Praise the Lord Jesus Christ.
_"f God doesn't exist, then all of humanites' existence is ultimately and emphatically meaningless. "_
You really believe that the only way your life can have meaning is if there is a magical god in the sky? If you really did believe that, your life must be quite sad. I doubt that you actually do though.
_"All meaning would be totally subjective."_
....and??
Do you have an argument against this?
If there isn't meaning naturally/ objective embedded in nature/reality whatever meaning we want made up is not truth just by "yes there is" or at least isn't coherent be looking for something that doesn't exist in nature. Therefore a subjective meaning is off the table . But if there is (something objective from where all stem) "perhaps" we could try and search meaning, wherever that take us.
Btw your answer to OP was intersting. (P. D. not a argument but a comment)
@ MarkH-cu9zi. Life is meaningless without God though. This is an undeniable truth. The book of Ecclesiastes touches on this subject. He’s not a magical God. He’s real. I’m sorry you think this way, hopefully you can find him. Because ever since I did, life has made so much more sense and I’m more at peace in my life now. I know I’ll get to meet my creator soon and I’m more than excited.
@@LouisPerez-wf1yi
_"Life is meaningless without God though."_
As I allude to above, if the only way you can find meaning in your life is with a magical god in the sky, then your life must be very sad.
I will argue the point for the original commentor.
You did not get the meaning of what he is saying. No one is saying you can't find your own meaning, that's not the issue at all.
The issue is ultimate meaning. Meaning greater than you.
If nature is the only thing that truly exists, and God does not. Your very existence is meaningless. It doesn't matter what you find in yourself, your existence bears no relevance. So the question is why exist? Why is there something rather than nothing?
Think about it...there's a universe...there's elements, molecules, complexity, and you. Nature made the earth, it made the sun, it made gravity, it positioned everything correctly for life to exist. The correct elements exist for you to exist. All for the sun to eventually run out of fuel and eviscerate everything near to it. The very life it made it just destroyed. There's no meaning to anythings existence.
Nothing made itself and destroys itself...no meaning to ever exist in the first place. Seems contradicting to me to even exist and just doesn't make sense...
Nothing, rather than something seems to be more reasonable if there is no God.
In regard to free will and omniscience, I think about my dog. After I finish my supper every night I give my dog a biscuit. Sammy knows she will get a biscuit and excitedly hops around when she sees me begin to clear the table. The dog is free to do whatever she wants, but I know she will hop around when I clear the table. If a puny mind like mine can know what a lower intelligence will do, couldn't an unfathomably greater intelligence know what I'm going to do? God knows my mind better than I know Sammy's, heck God knows my mind better than I even know my mind.
Does he know my mind?
So many accounts of people who died , went to hell or heaven and then returned, committed to share their experiences and fully converted. What about people who can speak in tongues, prophesy, etc.
I believe science and mathematics in all its fields support the existence of a creator God. By discovering all the laws, complexities , intricacies inherent in their discoveries point to design and not randomness.
@@sharonmarshall3671 No they don't. That's just an assertion, it has no epistemic grounding.
@@grayhalf1854"Ultimate reality is both personal and intelligent". Both humans and the universe are products of an intelligent mind.
These theologians has not tasted or known God. I was sick and was told I will not be healed by Doctors, I searched for God in different religion, then I heard voice telling me to search for proof .Then I found more proof for Jesus Christ and started praying to him, I was healed since then I have seen God's miracles and guidance.
He became pastor by cheating in theology exam. That's the reason
Maybe you should be out in the hospitals, putting doctors out of business instead of wasting time typing on youtube.
So if that ex-pastor believes there is no God because of sick dying children what does he say about all the children who have lived to become flourishing adults and have lived to Old ages?
that didnt make any sense...
Thats called living.
Just goes to show the atheists are usually the ones for the under-dog, the downtrodden, the suffering.
Yeah, he'd probably talk about modern medicine and good living standards brought on by science.
Meaning that your god discriminates.
“Solid fact of evolution” ??
Really??? 😝
“Nothing comes from nothing”
Obviously, this ex-pastor has forgotten that in the very beginning there was something… “the Word”.
Yeah, when the poor man mentioned evolution I cringed on his behalf. He really should get out more. As an explanatory hypothesis, evolution is devolving toward extinction before eyes.
Evolution is a Fact! In a Hollywood movie perhaps?
@@MatthewBurchett-df3oe It's not outside of creationist dreams
@@tomasrocha6139 yea your mind is forever scarred by this b.s. theory.
@@sigururolafsson2257 No
Here's what wasn't addressed -
The fundamental problem with Dan Baker's thinking is that he believed in a limited God. He professes that this isn't the case, but his argument about "knowing outcomes beforehand" exposes that his understanding is that our God is limited within time. If time isn't within the purvey of God, that makes time the greater god in a sense and God is subject to it. Then there would have to be a greater entity controlling the cogs and progression of time itself. The Bible clearly contradicts this understanding in many places and ways, including that He knows the end from the beginning and the "I am" statement of God and Jesus. The god he is thinking of is an idol and not the God of the Bible. That god I agree does not exist, except in the mind of men.
This has lead to his second flaw, which is claiming that Darwinian evolutionary theory has any validity whatsoever. This theory is só ridiculously flawed that no serious evolutionary scientist has failed to acknowledge its inability to explain observed reality. It is simply an ill conceived attempt at reasoning the Creator God out of existence.
Insofar as seeming design implying a designer is concerned, his argument is highly simplistic. Pure mathematics and statistics prove beyond any doubt that many multiples of universes and immeasurable time could not account for even the simplest life evolving by mere chance, not to mention that the entire ecosystem of supporting conditions for that life had to spring into existence simultaneously! As one person put it, and I'm quoting rather loosely because I don't know the actual source, but cannot claim it for my own; atheists ridicule that Christians believe in a God that created everything, for whom these atheists can for some inexplicable reason find no evidence, even though the evidence abounds, and therefore claim that He doesn't exist, but then they believe that everything came into being from nothing and claim that this is rational. What can be said with utmost certainty is that the nothing they believe to have caused everything to come into existence BY DEFINITION doesn't exist.
The complexity we observe is not just a matter of organised matter, but encoded in the basic structure of being are mechanisms like intelligent and intelligible language, giving expression similar but more complex than art and design and the beauty we find in that. Now, it would be totally absurd to receive a letter from a friend warning you about some imminent danger and concluding that this letter appeared out of thin air and therefore you will not attribute it to your friend, nor heed its warning. You may not attach much weight to the warning, but at the very least, you would investigate and contact your friend to verify the source, reasoning and contents.
It must be remembered that science itself rests on a few fundamental axioms of faith that cannot be proven (see, Kitty Ferguson - The Fire in the Equations). And, by definition, science is NOT, like God claims to be, immutable truth. It consists in the best current theories to explain observed phenomena and which work best to solve existential problems. These theories have to be replaced by alternate theories (and have always been so replaced) when better explanations and higher truth is discovered. This will continue until ultimate truth is achieved and there is no more science to be done. This is not likely to even be achievable from within our limited dimensional reality.
As was said elsewhere, Dan was probably disappointed or experienced some loss which he couldn't process. So, far from not believing in God, he became angry at God and started seeking reasons to reject His existence. I trust that you can see the absurdity of angry atheists who hate the God they claim does not exist and actively work at opposing Him. Why else would He be having a debate about God, if he truly believed that it is a ridiculous delusion? One does not argue with people who are mentally ill about their delusions of imaginary "spaghetti monsters" in the sky, you refer them to institutions and specialists who deal with mental illness.
He hints at this with his statement about suffering. But, suffering is not a difficult problem to address. It is simply the product of human sin and evil. Why does God not intervene and bring justice? He will, and he has, but every time God does so, atheists point the finger at Him and complain that the punishment is worse than the crime and ignore the fact that God was longsuffering in bearing the sin and iniquity of these people, affording them every opportunity to repent and do what is right. And who is man that he should advise God who created him on what is suitable justice?
His statement about prayer demonstrably not working displays his belief that God should be subject to man as a sort of cosmic butler. Well, that simply isn't in God's job description. What a pitiful god he would be if he simply capitulated to every whim of man and ran around fulfilling wishlists like some genie. Not to mention the mutually exclusive and opposing requests of people necessitating making a new and unique universe for each of us.... The mind actually boggles at the thought of what he would have to do in order to create every person's ideal reality according to their prayers. No, we are to bend to God's will, not God to our will. Dan's god is certainly not worthy of honour and glory, worship or praise.
More can be said, but it is clear that Dan's position and conclusions are badly flawed. As a Christian, you can rest assured that these questions have been satisfactorily answered from the time of earliest church fathers, and that we can rediscover truth from God's revealed word by simple and diligent study in the Bible.
Brilliantly stated, thank you.
Thank you! God bless you
Agreed. I sincerely thought there'd be more than the basic "defeaters" for theism but nope, the tried and tired arguments.
Wonderful ❤
I have read and studied these bibles and concluded they are ancient shamanistic attempts and efforts to explain inexplicable phenomena like thunder , lightning , the stars , the planets , etc ; to which our sciences have revealed their true origins and causes ! We now no longer have to pin our lives to fairy tales and nonsense !
That first dude has extreme trust issues. I’ll pass! Second guy for the win 🏆
Reminds me of the story of Charles Templeman, a well known evangelist and friend of Billy Graham, who turned from God...only Templeman wasn't a bitter anti- Christian. If I remember correctly, towards the end of his life, he lamented that he missed Jesus, even though he had turned from faith.
This poor man. Determined to lean on his own understanding 😔
As opposed to the understanding of other men and the bullshit they wrote down for the gullibles.
@@hooligan9794 oh look another atheist! Tell me about the “big bang theory” again 😂 😂 😂
@rogercaldwell2440 You're right. The big bang theory is silly. Obviously, a magic sky man cast a spell to create the universe!
@@rogercaldwell2440Oh look another theist! Tell me about Genesis again😂
@@hooligan9794The one thing I’ve never understood is how are theists so hateful.
Dr. John Lennox continues to impress!! One of the best arguments for Design was someone who said "If you see a tire on the moon, stamped Firestone, you think Intelligent Design ... yet we see the human brain, and we call it "chance"" (paraphrased).
There’s no brand on the brain.
Not that we know of
@@arthursworld7302 A person of sufficient knowledge and discernment does not need the price tag and label of manufacturer to understand the complexity requiring a designer and manufacturer. When you seriously examine, study nature with the detailed documentation, repeated observations, repeated challenges of study by study with ever more precise criteria for study, even dull students recognize the signs of superior, transcendant design and creation by God.
The brightest Nobel Laureates have not defined a recognized, testable model for the latest commercially hyped stock market bubble/fad - Artifical Intelligence and "consciousness". Yet plenty of atheists jumping on this commercial bandwagon with the "label" of claimed repute.
@@gregrice1354 that works because we can contrast designed vs non designed on our local level.
We can’t do that on the universal level because there is nothing to compare it too.
“Man dont you think it’s crazy that lots of rivers map onto town/state borders? How did the rivers do that? Someone must have designed the rivers to do that”
Complexity doesn’t equal design. In fact simplicity is a better hallmark of design. That’s why we feel that a poker hand of straight aces is less likely and more
Intentional than a poker hand of an ace, a 5, a 6 of clubs, a queen of hearts, and a 2 of spades.
But they are both just as likely to occur naturally.
Also, please quit with the condescension. It doesn’t help anything.
Even if there is a creator, it ain't Jeesus.
We can easily see the bible is total dung
If you were an ordained minister for 19 years and then abandoned the faith; the Scripture calls that Apostasy. The word "apostasy" comes from the Greek word (apostasia), which means "departure," "revolt," or "rebellion." From a biblical perspective, apostasy refers to the abandonment or renunciation of faith in God and the teachings of Christianity. The Apostle Paul also writes about a "falling away" (Greek: "apostasia") that will precede the end times.
This has to be by far the worst arguments against God I’ve heard.
It might be the worst argument against god but it is better than any of the arguments for god.
@@truthgiver8286 sure buddy
So there has been in development a series of Formal Logic proofs. Would enjoy some comments and suggestions. Here are the Titles for each proof. If any of them need expanded in just ask. Also scrutinizing over the order of presentation. So if any suggestions. Any correction with verbiage. Any would be appreciated. Thanks.
Logic chain:
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"Something is not nothing."
Mathmatical Representation: 1 ≠ 0
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"there is no nothing" is false.
Mathmatical Representation: 1 + 0 ≠ 0
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*True: "There is no nothing" (from a self-referential perspective)*
Mathmatical Representation: 0x ≠ y
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"Something is not nothing".
Mathmatical Representation: 0 ≠ 1
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Anything that can occur at a specific time is something.
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Ideas are something.
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Emptiness (a type of nothing) [absence of contents]
Mathmatical Representation: 1-1=0
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The three definitions for Nothing
1. _Absolute Nothing_
2. _Referenced Nothing_
3. _Absence Nothing_
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The Idea of Reality is a something which exists.
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Something is necessarily a partition of a thing.
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Existence is a subset of something.
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Everything that exists necessarily at one point or another has had connection with the Is-Tense.
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Existence is a partition of Reality.
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A nonexistent subset necessarily has a partition of the Reality.
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Reality has an Idea of itself.
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There can only be one Reality regardless of the number of Existences.
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Since there is only one Reality, there is also only one existence.
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The nature of Reality is nessecarily eternal.
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Modification of the Is-Tense necessarily involves usage of energy.
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"All Energy" is contained by the Is-Tense.
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The Is-Tense is a partition of Time.
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The Heirarchy: Reality(Nonexistent Realm, Time(Past, Present(Existence), Future).
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Modification of the Is-Tense necessarily involves usage of energy, where Existence is a property of the Is-Tense.
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The concept of "Outside of Time" itself is a contradiction.
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If Reality has the ability to effect something Real, it means Reality has an influence on Reality.
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Any Real Cause must be a part of Reality, and therefore, must root in Reality itself.
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Since Reality is the only entity that can change itself, and this change is equivalent to existence, it follows that Reality is the cause of existence.
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Reality is God.
@@truthgiver8286😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 I see you have not watched or read many arguments for GOD.
@@thanosdoomjuggernaut2846 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂 I can see that you are talking out of your backside.
Dan's reasons are very personal - which has been answered in the Bible. If he was a former pastor, why did he not read the book of Job? God does not owe us an explanation...as he once told Job.
If God is NOT love, then why bother dying in the cross for the crimes you did not commit? If Christ did not exist, why then would secular historians such as Tacitus and Josephus bother or lie about Jesus on their writings?
Since evolution cannot be proven to be conclusive (since scientists still dispute them to this day), then why believe a flawed theory? Did he not know that the Universe is still growing and expanding?
If Dan doesn't believe that God exists because the bible sows confusion, did he not read the bible through and through...That God will eventually rid the world of evil and bring in peace and reshape the world as it was in Eden?
Does Dan not believe in the depravity and evil desires of man? Does not he not acknowledge that man will use religion as means to enslave and commit evil acts? Does he not know that God hates wars, violence, murder and idolatry? Does he not understand that God desires our hearts and a relationship with us?
Does he not know that God loves us so much that he honors our wishes and choices? That he gave His own son so we don't have to pay the price of our sinfulness and depravity?
Does Dan inquire of God and ask why God chooses not to heal children despite of prayers? That God knows that people who die may die for a reason because God has predestined them to a particular time?
Does Dan understand that the eternal is unseen and eternal is physically seen? Does he not consider evil and the natural laws that humanity follows? Do not commit murder, adultery, steal, lie, cheat, etc - are these man made? If so, who has the final authority to say so?
Does Dan understand that there are different types of truth that he confuses and dilutes?
God intervenes - just as he did for Israel when they crossed the Red sea, just has He did for Samson and gave him his strength back, just as he did for Moses, not to annihilate the Jews in the desert, just as he did for Abraham - to not kill Isaac. God INTERVENES in our lives - we just refuse to recognize it.
Does Dan not recognize those who were supernaturally healed from sickness? Or from death...or from dying? Many innocent people die because God wants to give them a new body and keep them away from more pain and heartache.
Dan does not believe because his heart is hardened. He refused to believe and have faith that God is sovereign and in control. That God, in his mercy and grace will create a new world that is rid of sin, disease and separation from Him.
God's omnipotence is evidence of His love...knowing that Lucifer would fall, that Adam would fall, that many will reject him - because He loves us and sees Himself in us (we can create, bring beauty into this world, love, choose, and live). His love brings justice and righteousness. He is above all His creation - that is why He is Holy. God's sacrifice to redeem humanity through Christ is the essence of his love and mercy - that despite of us, He pursues us.
God is just by putting an end to Satan and evil - which will be separated from Him and cast into the lake of fire. But He will not force us, He honors the choice we make.
We, who are saved chose Christ...why? Because while we were still sinners and lost, He first loved us and gave Himself for us. Christ chose us and offered Himself as the sacrifice to be restored with God - because God is a family man.
Josephus and Tacitus were only reporting what other people believed and are not accounts supporting that those events actually happened. Some Josephus text about Jesus is considered forgery by majority of historians as well.
Evolution is not only conclusive, it is foundational to doing any modern biology at all.
And on and on.
God hates war? Then why is the Bible full of it at "God's" behest? Why does "God" say, "Happy are those who bash babies heads against the rocks."? Do you have any evidence for all of that word salad you spewed out?
The bible answers nothing. Its a collection of fantasy stories designed to fool the extremely gullible and the low-in-IQ
Seems like Dan hit a nerve.
Feeling sorry for a backslider does hit a nerve! Its because it makes a believer feel that he/she has lost a friend and a brother/sister. So, if it hurts, it means you care.
He's had his road to Damascus experience .....now he's on his road to Dawkins experience !
Where can I find the original video
MANY SHALL DEPART FROM THE FAITH GIVING HEED TO SEDUCING SPIRITS AND DOCTRINES OF DEVILS.
Your cap lock is stuck mate.
there we go again!
you know god hates people who can't find the capslock don't you?
It breaks my heart when someone can’t make the connection from their mind to their heart.
Well, if it breaks your heart, then you are also unable to make a connection from your brain to your heart.
.How about speaking in plain English where your ridiculous and baseless assertions can be exposed instead of obscuring your ignorance behind metaphors and Christianese?
@@Theo_Skeptomai why are you so angry
" I would rather deal with reality on realities terms." "Better by far to embrace the harsh truth than a reassuring fable" Carl Sagan " The truth is not what you want it to be, it is what it is, and you must bend to it's power or live a lie."
I have to agree truth is what you want it to be to you however The truth and your truth don't gotta be the same
So, by his own words, he moved more away from the Bible and his teaching to appease the world. Unfortunately, he forgot that the Bible teaches us that we are not to be swayed by the world but to set our faith by the word
It's one thing to be ignorant but quite another to demonstrate it and think that is brilliance.
Current cosmological theory does not assert that 'nothing created nothing.' Quantum Physics still offers possible alternative explanations/theories for the origin of the universe. When the physical evidence is not forthcoming, these theories will be rejected and the scientific quest continues.
People are trying to disprove Bible from 2000 years but that’s what bring more people to Jesus.
Hallelujah
The information should be there. If God gave us reason he should not punish us for using it and where it leads us. Peace.
@@joecheffo5942actually yes he did give us the ability to reason but who says he's punishing us for reasoning? He only punishes the people who use their freewill wrongly. God can do what he wants he's our creator anything he does will be good we shouldnt worry. He has to punish for sin if not evil wins and the cross Jesus died on did nothing.
@@shydalelewis3966 What is free will? Can you define it? If a child is taught Islam, does he have the free will to not believe it?
Do you think you control your thoughts? If so, try to stop thinking for five minutes. It's impossible.
If I tell you to think of a city, just one city, What city did you think of? Did you "choose it" or did it just pop into your head?
Do you really think "on purpose" or do thoughts just arise?
It's weird that most people in jail are poor, less educated, more learning disability, more abuse as children. That seems more the cause then they are just "wicked". What do you think?
@@joecheffo5942frewill os something we all have its also something god has this is why he also gave it to us. We have the ability to do what we want literally. This doesnt mean we should just do ANYYTHING like sin he didnt give us the will to sin but although we do have the ability to do wrong so we can also have the ability to do good. Without freewill god would have made us robots but he wants us to freely choose to love him not be programed to do so. So for example we have the choice to sin or not, basically freewill us just the ability to choose.
If a child were born into islam they definitely have the choice to leave it thats how freewill works we can choose how we want our life to go but when it comes to gods word we should use are free choice to do the right thing which is to follow him.
Now when it comes to controlling my thoughts you definitely can do so your example of stoping trying to think is a horrible example for this kinda conversation. Nobody's saying we should stop thinking all together when god is in the picture he gives us the ability to overcome these thoughts/temptations that are given to us. I have plenty of things i think about that arent good but i still can control if i give into them or not. I can pray god will help me get rid of these thoughts his power is strong so no its not impossible as you think. It goes bot ways the devil cam pop something in your head at anytime it matters if i give into this temptation.
At times the devil tempts us and at times we ourselves think of something bad it goes both ways. So yes thoughts csn arise and they can be put their by a spiritual intity.
@@joecheffo5942 I'm not really sure what to say about that last part about the jail thing all these guys are in where they are because of their freewill choice to do these these criminal acts. At times it's not their fault because many times the innocent person is in cuffs. These people are definitely wicked it's all about temptations and what we choose to do with them we can continue to do God's will or do ours and the result of doing there's us ending up in a cell by following the devils way of life.
Atheists trot out the God of the Gaps argument as if this wasn’t addressed in the 90s.
@8:00 This is a very important distinction. The physical reality that we inhabit, governed by the Laws of nature, is a projection _into_ the infinite void (space) .. our creator does not reside here, and so we cannot point to him and say "Look, _here_ is God". The nature of the projection itself is light imprisoned in physical form (lucifer) .. so the worship of anything that is a part of the physical creation is the worship of _Lucifer,_ and not God. We do not create the Laws of physics, we merely discover what is already there, then attempt to understand it .. but being within this creation as we are, we are like a man who has lived his entire life within one house, wondering what the world beyond might look like.
You mentioned a 'creator'. What _exactly_ did this 'creator' create?
@@Theo_Skeptomai of all the questions you could possibly ask you chose this one?
@@Theo_Skeptomai 🤣
I feel genuinely sad for that former preacher. May he find his way back
Why? Because he doesn't believe what you believe to be true?
@TheWatchernator It has nothing to do with personal belief. It has to do with truth. I believe truth is truth, this is what we believe is the truth. Maybe we are wrong, but I don't think we are. Jesus is King.
Why would you want a person to abandon his critical thinking skills?
@jesseriker3076 well he's free to believe what he wants. But like a brother or a sibling who goes into alcoholism I'm just showing my concern. No one can force an atheist to think like us and same thing for us christians no one can really force us to not believe. Just go through your life and hopefully u find your way. God bless you
@TheWatchernator it's more of a concern. I may not know him personally but from my perspective it's like a brother who chose to walk to a bridge that's gonna collapse willingly. I respect his choice but all I can do is share God's word it's really up to the individual to listen or to really live by it. Faith isn't somthing everyone has its developed through a personal relationship and even that takes alot of effort to maintain. Sorry to dump this unusually long response but God bless you
That former pastor wasn’t a spirit born Christian and he wasn’t called by God to be a pastor or a minister. That’s what happens when a person chooses to go into ministry as though it were any other profession. I’m surprised he lasted as long as he did. He must have been making good money and enjoying a lot of accolades. So glad God removed him, as the flock deserves much better than that. Hope he didn’t molest or harm anyone.
The very first argument is a strawman. Christians do not contend that the universe came from nothing; cosmology does.
He seems to be in a great deal of pain and in need of heartfelt prayer.
If 4 people were to watch a crime being committed, and they sat down to write about what happened all four accounts would be different. If they are exactly the same you would say they got together to make their story the same. Praise God that the 4 Gospels are different from 4 different perspectives.
For the bible tells me so. How about some credible evidence?
We don't even know the true authors of those gospels.
This man's arguments are breathtaking in there shallowness. If his concept of the cosmos and his understanding of Christianity were this two-dimensional during his ministry it is not suprising that he would be embarrassed to defend his faith.
If one does not believe that the supernatural exists, then the supernatural can never affect you.
That is not true in life, nor in the afterlife.
@@bobwaters8414 I would love to hear you support that with some verifiable facts!
What would you call a verifiable fact? Have you looked into the evidence supported by the millions of people who have had near death experiences? Or does eyewitness testimony not count? Have you read Dr. Keener’s book on the millions of miracles experienced by people every year? The evidence for Christ is like a forest, and while you may be able to cut down a tree, the forest is still there. But seeing isn’t believing, believing is seeing.
@@bobwaters8414 "But seeing isn’t believing, believing is seeing." And there it is - what I call Disneyland religion. About Keener: the "millions of miracles" are a publishing gimmick involving unverified medical events. Keener has not personally investigated any of his stories and fails to ask the most basic questions. About Jesus: I will believe when I see a headline that reads "Jesus sends his angel to stop a child rapist."
@@bobwaters8414 what evidence do you have for the "afterlife"?
The evolution of the human species is not factual nor proven whatsoever. In fact, the more time goes by the less applicable the theory of evolution becomes.
Go watch a video on human evolution by Gutsick Gibbon.
@@keith.anthony.infinity.h still a theory tho but even then it still doesn't compete with God so it doesn't matter
@@blastphantomgames6369 Evolution is not a theory it is an observable reality.
I think, it’s just my opinion and some observations from experience, people who are fleshly or worldly, tries to remove God because they want to live in sin. For example Adam and Eve hide from God but i digress
Just as many are sinners as believers! Its human.
Adam and eve were fictional/mythological, didn't you even know that?
@@colinjava8447 what came first the chicken or the egg?
@@alxvalbuena The egg, ask me "which came first, the chicken or the chicken egg?"
@@colinjava8447 which came first the chicken or the chicken egg
When they go apostate they go into complete foolishness
Monstrous nonsense.
There is no book that has caused more confusion than the Bible. I was a christian for so long… without emotion involved there is nothing to make any of it true. I was, of course, deluded!
This is not an intellectual battle, it’s falsely been made so….its a spiritual battle.
Ephesians 6:12.
“For we are not fighting against flesh-and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, and against evil spirits in the heavenly places.”
I pity this ex pastor, it appears he was hurt and feels despair. Better to live in a world we pretend to Understand then have comfort of existing in a marvelous creation
Comfort in belief? That's a fool's paradise. I would rather live in truth, no matter how uncomfortable, than be soothed by the blue pill soma of religion.
Someone forgot to tell him that God is eternal.
Noooo, he used to be a preacher. He just grew up!!
@@AwakenTheEarth You are just a God-hater. You have no cogent argument.
This guy saying he used to be a preacher is like a tree with no roots saying he used to be alive.
He didn't grow up, he stumbled and fell on his face.
@@AwakenTheEarth he sounds like a baby to me. He conveniently skipped the part that neo darwinism is out. Are you still runnign with it ?
In honesty I find it scaring that someone can live in close quarters with God’s word and still be lost in this way.
I am comforted though, by the love of Jesus shown to Thomas, although he also had large problems with his faith, not in harmony with his own lived experience with Jesus. That comforts me whilst sending a prayer to this simple unbeliever, knowing he is not without hope and the love of Jesus.
See you who have eyes and hear you who has ears Jesus tells us, as he learns us about seeds falling on stone ground, being eaten by the birds, and seeds being overgrown by the “weed of arrogant science”
The people smoking that kind of weed are in serious danger of a life in vain.
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Sending him a prayer, and if he reads this reminding him that Jesus told us to stay in him, to be able to do good, and warning us about being cut off from the bush if we get lukewarm and unproductive like the gentleman described himself becoming.
I am really asking myself if he read his bible? If he did he cannot have understood it….May the Lord save him.
Being a Pastor in name is one thing, truly excepting Christ is another. Their are wolf's among us.
Just because he is good with words does not mean he understands the data that humans have discovered about the universe. He refuses to accept the data because he doesn't want to die
Data like it having a begining?
When I hear old men say, I used to be a devout believer, but then claim to lose their faith through basic, elementary, philosophy 101 issues, like why do bad things happen to good people, then I reckon they were never devout. These are “hard” questions, oft asked, and answered definitively centuries ago.
The no true Scotsman fallacy, sigh...
In all his years of being a pastor, did he ever read the book of Job, and is it not relevant today? I never been around a dumb pastor before. Every pastor I knew could answer any single question posed to them.This guy wasted 19 years of his life and is now arguing from an emotional standpoint. He is a true loser because he's crying like a little baby
That's a no true scotsman fallacy.
Always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.
Ah, I see that even some prominent mathematicians don’t understand the fallacy of the argument of ignorance. Sad.
Please can the link to the referenced video be shared?
The FOOL says in his heart-
"There is no God".
Lmao, the same old bullshit. Heard it a hundred times. Yawn.
This man based his (former) faith on listening to (other) pastors which is a sure remedy to loose faith, just like I lost mine.
The reason I lost my faith was bcse my pastor wasn't able to answer my question about how come that at the CREATION there were the 1st day, 2nd day & 3rd day WHILE THE SUN WAS CREATED ON THE 4th day? How can you have a day (and a night) without The Sun ?
So I became an unbeliever in Biblical truths and dipped in the Occult untill the LORD.PROVED HIMSELF to me when I attended a Charismatic Worship Service which showed me how much greater HIS POWER IS than my stupid occultic powers.
This caused me to return to THE LORD and read THE BIBLE from cover to cover some 130 times taking time to memorise Bible verses (very important to fight evil) and pray for the healing of people with Cancer, HIV, Diabetes & other ailment (ALL were healed thru fasting and prayer in accordance to Matthew 17:21 which is why "the-church" wants to get rid of this verse)
@@hagaibinsealtiel3745 Absolute rubbish lol.
Faith is indistinguishable from stupidity and a licence for liars and charlatans to exploit the fearful, desperate and gullible..
Ask yourself this question.
How many of these gods do you think don't exist?
Baiame.
Aphrodite.
Zeus.
Odin.
If your answer is all of them. You are an atheist.
@@hagaibinsealtiel3745
I suggest you read the bible properly. It disproves ITSELF!
Deuteronomy 18. 21. 22
And if thou say in thine heart, ‘How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken?
A prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously; thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Jesus Lied About Prayer
Jesus is quoted many times in the Bible saying that a believer can ask for anything through prayer and receive it. He even goes so far as to say that mountains and trees can be thrown into the sea simply by praying for it.
This is clearly a lie, and can be proven to be a lie by any believer. Simply pray for me to be converted to Christianity right away. Or better yet ask God to move the mountains behind my house. He could make a lot of converts that way. If I’m converted today, I’ll post a public apology on my web site and devote my life to spreading the obvious and demonstrable truth of Christian claims.
If I’m not converted it would only be fair for believers to apologise and devote their lives to promoting the light of reason, based on sound reasoning, facts and evidence.
Here are the quotes from Jesus that proves that the biblical character lied:
1) And Jesus answered and said to them, “Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, `Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ it will happen. “And all things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.” (Matthew 21:21-22 NAS)
2) Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Matthew 7:7-8 NAB)
3) Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst. (Matthew 18:19-20 NAS)
4) Amen, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be lifted up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart but believes that what he says will happen, it shall be done for him. Therefore I tell you, all that you ask for in prayer, believe that you will receive it and it shall be yours. (Mark 11:24-25 NAB)
5) And I tell you, ask and you will receive; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks, receives; and the one who seeks, finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened. (Luke 11:9-13 NAB)
6) And whatever you ask in my name, I will do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything of me in my name, I will do it. (John 14:13-14 NAB)
7) If you remain in me and my words remain in you, ask for whatever you want and it will be done for you. (John 15:7 NAB)
8) It was not you who chose me, but I who chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit that will remain, so that whatever you ask the Father in my name he may give you. (John 15:16 NAB)
9) On that day you will not question me about anything. Amen, amen, I say to you, whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you. Until now you have not asked anything in my name; ask and you will receive, so that your joy may be complete. (John 16:23-24 NAB)
A lot of Christians ignore what Jesus actually says in the Bible. They also tend to add things to the actual words to make them say something else. If you honestly and truthfully read these quotes, without adding to them, it is very easy to see that Jesus is not saying that God will think about your prayers. He says God will grant all your prayers. Clearly, God doesn’t grant all prayers and this proves that Jesus was a habitual liar.
This is how merciful our God is, and we should learn from this. God has not struck this guy down and be eaten by worms in front of everyone.
Yes you never know whether this wilderness period for him will end and whether he will come back to God..just like the prodigal.
Something happens in the real world. God does literally nothing.
Believers: "Look how merciful our god is".
You guys crack me up, lol 😂
@@grayhalf1854 Crack up all you want but you will still have to face God one day...then you will crack the other way.
@@mytwopennorth7216 mate that's your belief, not mine
@@grayhalf1854 You are a sad case.
Religion doesn't provide any answers. It makes you stop questioning.
As a Christian, I can agree to some extent. We shouldn't be afraid to ask or be asked very tough questions. We should honestly admit that we cannot prove our faith scientifically. That's what makes it faith. I tend to follow the Catholic view of Theistic Evolution and a non-literal interpretation of the Bible in many facets. But still, it does come down to faith, and we should openly admit it.
Christianity doesn't provide answer to life. Read quran to get all your questions answered.
Christianity doesn't provide answer to life. Read quran to get all your questions answered.
Christianity doesn't provide answer to life. Read quran to get all your questions answered.
Christianity doesn't provide answer to life. Read quran to get all your questions answered.
This guy is clueless!!! OMG, he used the Thursday argument against Christianity when Infact English didn't exist back then. In Greek, THORSday is simply Pempti ( fifth day). If you are going to criticize the bible do it in its original language!! Also he said that Jesus doesn't have his own day! Is he mentally challenged? Every time we write the date we testify to Jesus's birth! Also the question of suffering was answered by Jesus himself. He is the creator who was pure and innocent and his human life was filled with sorrows and suffering. He told us to carry our own cross and follow him. Which means you will have to suffer too.
As a Christian I can agree with this ex-pastor on one thing. He made a point that God can't have free choice and be omnibenevolent and omniscient too. On this point I would agree with him. God is limited in the choices that he can chose. God is limited by his nature i.e. his essence, which is pure and good. God can only choose the good and not just any form of good but the best possible good that could be created.
When God created this universe, he created this particular universe out of the infinite possible universes he could have created. He created this universe because only in this universe the best possible good will result.
The error this ex-pastor makes is he fails to realize that good is superior to evil in every fashion. Many think that good and evil are on an equal footing. That evil is the inverse of good. Evil isn't equal with good; evil is dependent upon good for its very existence. For good can and does exist on its own but evil is by definition a corruption of good i.e. evil can't exist on its own. There's no such thing as pure evil, but God is pure good.
Everything that we see as evil has some goodness in it, for good is, has to be the foundation of all of reality.
God created the word and said, "it is good." Goodness is the foundation of reality. Then evil crept in, for evil is and always will be a corruption of that which is good.
Exactly right. He says that prayer has a failure of outcome, but God will not grant anything that thwarts eventual good. I believe all prayers are answered, but sometimes the answer is no for that very reason.
@@emmap1159How convenient that 'sometimes the answer is no' means that praying to a god you believe is there is literally indistinguishable from praying to a god who just isn't there.
@@grayhalf1854 The "yes" answers are evident though, sometimes instantaneously and others over time. My life wasn't always easy but the blessings have been abundant.
Watch Dan Barkers other debates. He said religious people "reify" words, like good and evil and truth and justice. Those are not "things" they are descriptions. God is good, what does that even mean? Good compared to what? And is that what God "is" or does?
After a while this seems like word salad. Can you explain exactly what God is coherently? What does good mean the way you use it?
@@joecheffo5942 Truth is objective despite the word salad the phrase "my truth" suggests. Ultimate Good is total union with God so that the phrase, " He only wills good" implies that He only will answer prayers that lead to our salvation. If you doubt that evil exists when it is evident all around you than you are spiritually blind because you have chosen to be so.
Ordination of a man does not guarantee that he is or was in the state of salvation. Paul tells us in Philippians 2:12 to work out our salvation in fear and trembling. But a man is like the kind of earth that receives the Seed, the Word of God, what was the state of his heart, soft and yielding, hard, rocky or choked with thorns of life? This is why we must pray for our pastors, humbly and contrite before our Father in Heaven. This man that preached the Word for 19 years and over time becomes an atheist was grounded in lies of Satan rather than the Rock, Jesus Christ. Tragedy has struck this man, his family, his loved ones and now he blames God. His Christianity is not helping to understand. The church is not the foundation of man, but Jesus Christ. Tragedy will always happen to men of God and if he fails to understand then it leads to theodicy as the end point of his life. Such was this man. I pray that he will come back to God. Remember Job and the tragedy that followed, and Job's discourse of wailing in dust and ashes did not fail his faith in God.
I am a Christian and it is based on faith but if the world was run by Jesus we would live in a paradise and there would be no pain. But Atheism does lead to pain and suffering because that worldview has a government that can create problems and corruption.
Harry Truman had a sign on his desk: "The buck stops here. " The God of the Bible is willing to take ultimate responsibility for creating or allowing anything and everything that exists or happens in the universe. No one else accepts that responsibility and gives adequate meaning to those phenomena, and no one else deserves the praise for the good things. I've lived with partial paralysis of both legs due to polio for 71 years, since I was ten months old. I don't blame God, but I'm thankful for what I've been able to accomplish in spite of that disability.
The apostole Paul said in one of his spiritual epistles about those who stop following christ Yeshua and stopped coming to his body (the Church) they left because even from the beginning, they were not from us. This might mean to say that those who left the body of Christ and stopped to believe in Christ Yeshua were not genuine beliefers of Christians from the first day they come to be members of the body of Christ Yeshua.
Johns evidence is platitudes and wishful thinking based on a error prone book written decades after the "fact". Very impressive......
At first I thought Lennox had turned up to this debate thinking it was the ‘most non sequiturs per minute’ challenge.
Then he added a liberal dose of circular argument and a smattering of wishful thinking and I realised he had turned up to the right debate but with the wrong tools to do the job.
You gotta love him for trying though.
So cute.
I too had hard questions and left the faith for 20 years. But God called me back and now I am getting answers to those questions because my faith gives me the courage to ask them and know God will answer.
How can a man live his life as a pastor and pull out objections as weak as 'God of the gaps', or 'how many angels at the tomb'. Did he learn nothing in seminary?
Most seminaries have atheistic professors and are actively discouraging belief in God. They no longer create pastors of the Word, but only deniers of the Word.
The proble m is that this man was never born again..born of the spirit..the words jesus spoke very plainly .this isnt uncommon...wyy be surprised..
Maybe he missed seminary
Like Osteen
I cannot ever deny God if i look at the power of the miracles i saw happening everytime even if i would have lost faith in despair
@@elainesandow4436 No True Scotsman fallacy
I can tell you I have seen some crazy supernatural things in my life where I could never be persuaded that God does not exist nor that Jesus isn't God. However I have always believed and had a desire to know God and have a relationship with Jesus. I believe if someone seeks God, and desires to know him, he will show up at least on various occasions to confirm his validity to you and to let you know he's there for you.
I don't believe this atheist ever truly believed or had a desire to believe. He just thought Christianity sounded good and had a paper thin belief in it perhaps. But clearly he's never seen God show up in his life otherwise he would not have turned away. But with him mentioning suffering of children in the world, it also shows the possibility that he's just angry at God and has chosen not to believe in him, even tho deep down he might still believe something. 🤷
What that ex-pastor is suffering from is a pain from the lack of all the data on faith and God’s working in history and the reasons for the suffering. He’s upset with God, and so he’s denying Him. It’s like a man that loves his wife and then divorced her and he could find a 100 more reasons for why he wants to divorce her than all the reasons he had when he first loved her and married her and had children together.
Christianity is also about perseverance in the face of difficulties of living an earthly life. Christ showed us by example in the Garden of Gethsemane.
This is a hurt man. I hope he softens and God becomes so real.
God is quite familiar with defection. He actually inspired Paul to write in II Peter 2:20-22 about these types. "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire." sad, sad, sad.
Nothing comes from nothing, therefore, God does not exist???? What a truly parochial argument. When it's said, that nothing comes from nothing, we're talking about the material world... That's not, nothing. The material world cannot create itself. What is so difficult about that concept?
and god cannot create himself...
@@matswessling6600 Such a tired and lazy argument. God is from everlasting to everlasting. You can't lump God with his creation. We believe God has always existed. God is not of this world but outside it.
@@burgcarli929 "you cant". why not? if you can accept that god vmcan ve everlasting then you must allow the same for the universe.
@@matswessling6600 God is not part of his creation. Just like a chef is not part of his food. Geez...
@@matswessling6600 I don't know if you're aware of this... The Universe had a clear beginning. The science is clear enough that guys like Dawkins admits to it. Space, time, energy and matter came into existence at the same time. Therefore, for matter to exist, there needs to be space. For time to exist, there needs to be a when.
That person IS the personification of evil !
2 Thessalonians 2:10-11
[10] and with all the deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth so as to be saved. [11] For this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence so that they will believe what is false,
May God always have compassion and mercy upon us 🙏🙏🙏
Wow... I have never seen such terrible points made by an atheist...
Atheists mke the most absurd assumptions an awful lot and repetitively: over and over. Maybe you should get out a bit more? 🤔
Hitchens was just as bad. He just said it better.
Exactly my thoughts, he deserves a Gold Medal 🥇❤
What was so terrible?
A personal relation with Jesus is the only way from beginning to eternity.
How do you know?
with just ~2.4 billion Christians in the world, the rest of us are doomed, clearly your god didn't do a good job at spreading the "word"
Any god who could be discovered by scientists wouldn't be a god worth believing in.
This man was never truly saved. Paul said," they left us because they were never really one only us...and their leaving proves it. He'll awaited this man whom God calls a "fool".
I am no one, I have maybe a 1% knowledge and mental capacity compared to John Lennox and let me tell you, it really hurts to know how little Dan Baker knows the Bible.
When the atheist speaks and makes a point, I can hear Satan laughing in the audience.
Magic. That's it.
Magic is to be believed.
Thanks Daily R.
0:48 - "Can you believe it?"
Pastor turmed atheist, like it's not precisely where most outspoken atheists began--OF COURSE I believe it.
Preachers often lose their faith, since they're among the few who actually read that enitire, problematic book, beginning to end--not just the uplifting Jesus shit served up warm and nice for Sunday tourists.
Bertrand Russel absolutely nailed it: "Atheism is what happens when you read the entire Bible by yourself; Christianty is what happens when someone else reads it for you." Nominal "Christians" are easily the least biblically literate among us.