I completely agree with your comments, l have smart phone and that's where it ends . My watches are personal and l do not want any thing to do with Apple
This was timely. I agree with all of these. Regarding Apple watches. The young kids don't wear them as watches - the value is seeing your text and social media notifications on your wrist. I was coaching a lacrosse practice last weekend and one of the assistants forgot her watch. I strapped my extra SM on a rubber strap on her wrist and she wore it for about 5 minutes and handed it back. She said it was too heavy. Also she couldn't tell the time on it. This was a senior in high school and she was the goalie - so she's used to having stuff strapped to her - gloves, pads, a helmet. Apple watches aren't a gateway to horology. They're just a gateway into the Apple tech ecosystem. Maybe when I'm a geezer and need the monitoring and don't need to charge it all the time, I'll get a smartwatch, but until then I'm steering clear of that soulless, disposable piece of plastic.
I'm really glad it was! Thank you for sharing your experience, it's scary to know even seniors, 17/18YO cannot read analog watches! It's not like it's really complicated! I'm almost wishing DW make a comeback 😂
A senior in high school that can't read an analogue clock face? I thought classrooms everywhere had analogue clocks on the wall! That's just ridiculous as I was able to read an analogue clock before I turned five.
I’ve always thought the Apple Watch was ugly. Glad you feel the same way. That said, some of the health alert features, especially for older folk are really useful. The Diesel and Invicta are especially hideous imo!
I have one smartwatch, but it's a "hybrid," and it was a gift. The touchscreen can be turned off, and in that state, the physical hands continue to function, effectively as a quartz watch, for about a month between charges. I like the thing, but only because it was actually the gateway watch that got me into the concept of wearing watches as jewelry. Agree about the longevity problem though. Someday, an iOS or Android update will render the required app useless, and the rechargeable battery will eventually degrade, and possibly become irreplaceable.
A month between charges is really good for such a device 👍. That's why these "mistake" Watches are important, because as for you they can be a gateway, I'm glad you stumbled upon it 👍
I have a "hybrid" as well and it last 5 to 6 months and then you change the battery. It's a discontinued Skagen model called the "Connect". Looks like any anolog watch but you set up the three buttons on it with the app to do what functions it can do.
I also wear a watchband on my right wrist for some handy apps, but the display stays off and I only check it for certain notifications. It hasn't impacted at all the enjoyment of real watches. Great video
Those "connected watches" are rather Smartphones with a strap than anything else. And tell me who will collect Smartphones ? The actual value of Smartphones lie with software, not the object itself. So you will buy one (at a time!) and collect apps upon it. Nobody among the watch collectors will buy such a thing for his/her collection.
A jeweler/watch-store near me makes it fairly simple. While they stock entry level Swiss stuff like Tissot and also some cool Japanese stuff like Seiko and Citizen, they have a whole window dedicated to "fashion" labels. In there you find labels like Armani, Hilfiger, Fossil and I *think* even Daniel Wellington (yikes!). I know it's not their intent, but that window is, basically, a very helpful piece of consumer advice, since it's a who-is-who of what *not* to buy at a watch-store.. :) What gives me pause is the fact that this "biohazard-window" takes up roughly 25 to 30% of their entire display-area.
To put it simply: an Apple Watch is a computer in the form factor of a wrist watch. Its primary function is not to tell the time; that's actually a secondary feature of it. Calling it a "watch" is quite honestly stretching it.
I know what you mean, that's why I say that some watch lovers will refuse calling it a watch. You are right about telling the time being the secondary feature, even less than that
Greetings from Buenos Aires - Argentina. I guess we all agree a watch is, first of all, a machine for measuring time. Now, problem is there are well known brands that ask fortunes for their watches, based on the (let´s assume is true) fact of highly standards and optimum control quality. If you ask me, I confess this weekend most probably I buy a FESTINA F20665-3 Diver. My humble opinion: good product and quite competitive price. Regards.
Hola Daniel, yo crecí en Ecuador, feliz de ver hispanohablantes aquí! As for measuring time accurately, a connected watch and quite simply your phone will be the best. Wearing a watch is a luxury we don't actually need these days, although for me it's a matter of practicality, heritage and... joy 😁. As for pricing a lot of factors are part of the price, like materials, crafstamanshop, and of course, brand prestige. And you are right, some companies rely only prestige to demand exorbitant prices. If the Festina makes you happy go for it, it looks good! Although there are other options at the same price but I'm sure you have made your due dilligence
I am surprised that you only have 20k subscribers.... this channel reviews watches REALLY well!!! You make VERY good points about watches..and could not agree with you more. There is another watch reviewer called "This Watch, That Watch" on youtube that also too does an amazing job at reviewing watching and their movements.
Thank you so much, I'm so glad you think that way 👍👍. I put a lot of passion and effort in my channel, but these kinds of comments make it all worthwhile! I would love to be able to hit new thresholds soon 🤞
Funny enough that Diesel watch interests me (granted not enough to actually buy it) just to see and feel how outrageous it would look and feel on my wrist - same with some of the Invicta behemoths that they make.
Apple Watch? No thanks, I'll stick to my Casio instead. In terms of form and function, I tried someone's Orient Bambino 2nd gen and it doesn't feel like a 42 mm at all even in my 6 1/2 inches wrist it fits just right.
New sub earned🎉 it was worth watching both part 1 and part 2 After collecting many watches as a 29yr old i can confirm that i fell for those so called " best selling " how ever i always choose good reputable brands and nothing new Honestly i didnt like apple , because of the very same reason you mentioned = no value because over the year or so they will bring a new one amd no updates + battery is going to go out someday and its not something i want to hand out to my grandkids definately However , what is your opinion on 3 watches in particular garmin tactic7x And Garmin marq gen2 adventurer And Garmin instinct 2x solar tactical I would really like your input on these Ofcourse i know these are not something like the ones u suggest , nonetheless would love your thoughts on these 3 ❤from India ( Bangalore ) Also i will be looking into all your new vids and also wil chexk the old ones Thanks again for all your effort into educating young minds
There are two Invicta types that I would totally recommend. For those with average-sized wrists, the Pro Diver is a very well-made 40mm-43mm Submariner homage with a 200m depth rating and a Seiko NH35A movement for well under $100. For those with larger wrists (like me), the Invicta Grand Diver (gen 1) is a stunning 47mm dive watch with a 300m depth rating for about $50 more. Both watches are real and usable dive watches and they both feature the Seiko NH35A automatic movement. They also both sport very well-made oyster-style bracelets and Submariner-syle indices but that is where the similarities end. The Pro Diver is 100% a clomage of the Rolex Submariner with the same hands and rotating-style bezel. It has a simple pressed clasp with the Invicta logo on it and hollow end links. The Grand Diver is not a homage because while it does have the Sub-style indices, the hands are completely different and so is the scalloped-edge bezel. The Grand Diver also sports solid end links instead of hollow and a beautifully milled clasp instead of the cheap pressed clasp of the Pro Diver. The Grand Diver is a VERY heavy watch but after a little while you get used to it to the point that you can easily forget that you're wearing it. If you have the wrist to pull it off, it is just a stunning dive watch with amazing wrist presence. My personal favourite is the #3049 which is uses a similar colour palette as the Rolex Bluesy but not exact. Where the Bluesy uses a deep royal blue, the Grand Diver #3049's blue is more of an indigo (violet blue) colour. It's not enough to make it look actually purple but enough that it doesn't look the same as a Bluesy. After twelve years of ownership, the gold accents of my GD#3049 have yet to fade and the "flame-fusion" crystal has yet to scratch (it's not as hard as sapphire but it is harder than Seiko Hardlex). In fact, even though I have never had it serviced and wore it daily for about eight years, it still looks and runs as well as the day it arrived in 2012. It is easily one of the best watch buys that I have ever made as I paid about $120CAD for it back then.
The Apple Watch is my digital leash when working from home so I don't miss any calls or important emails wondering around the house, I wear my mechanicals on the weekends to remind me of the freedom 😄
Oh my god have you seen the inside of that Diesel watch before? Inside there's actually 4 separate quartz movements, it's literally like 4 watches inside cased as one, not one movement, it's so funny.
@@Horologique It definitely is, I was looking at the picture of the caseback open and there's 3 regular quartz movements and then a quartz chronograph movement, it's so funny, they're laid out like a cross inside. I wonder if you could do that with a mechanical movement lmao
I'm looking forward to the day I can get my grand-nephew a manual wind watch, get him started off in life on the right foot. Alas, he just turned one, so I a ways to go yet.
Phew , I’ve got away with it . Luckily I find that all of the watches you have mentioned are horrible and I’ve got the Pagani in the post as per your recommendation. Thank you for your affirmation of my good taste .
After a month or more having it and wearing it off and on, I still really like my Pagani YS008 in rose gold with the coffee dial. I'm wearing it right now.
@@Horologique It does! I'm usually not at all a fan of plated finishes of any sort, but I thought this watch warranted giving it a shot. I am not (at least so far) disappointed with that decision.
Never heard of those watches except the iwatch but to be honest , I buy vintage watch , gold bezel or solid gold one to be specific , pretty cheap these days . Seiko Credor 14k/18k or Citizen Exceed 18k or Longine , Omega 14k/18k could be somewhere around 100 - 1500USD, there is no reason for me to buy a stainless steel watch at all
It's not called 'iWatch', it's Apple Watch. All of these watches are shit and I think even beginners know this. A revised edition of this video might include watches of a higher calibre, but which still don't reflect a true value for money proposition.
Thank you for your suggestion. I have done plenty videos where I point at highly priced watches that are not worth the asking price, I just haven't named them like this: czcams.com/video/pUSj9zqyqIk/video.html
@@HorologiqueI should clarify 'higher calibre'. I really mean micro brand and entry level watches that draw in people that know they cannot afford the mid-tier and above, but are still fooled by the limited edition angle or the materials used, etc. Unimatic, San Martin and Pagani Design come to mind. I ought really to do my own video on the subject, since I own watches by two of the aforementioned brands, I just don't have a large enough audience.
Smart watches are not interesting to me. No style. Value drops in time and becomes obsolete. Then what? As for function, they are good but not good enough for me to buy. One Smart phone is enough Information overload…I don’t need more brain overload on my wrist. In the medical field, smart watch makes sense to communicate vital information without disturbing the medical task at hand. Maybe good for other industries. But for the average person usability, it’s a waste in my opinion. Currently, I can go to my collection and pick out what ever style, color I am feeling that day.
The Apple Watch is the electronic tag you wear without having committed a crime (other than a fashion crime, that is). 😆😂🤣
I completely agree with your comments, l have smart phone and that's where it ends .
My watches are personal and l do not want any thing to do with Apple
Well done.
This was timely. I agree with all of these. Regarding Apple watches. The young kids don't wear them as watches - the value is seeing your text and social media notifications on your wrist. I was coaching a lacrosse practice last weekend and one of the assistants forgot her watch. I strapped my extra SM on a rubber strap on her wrist and she wore it for about 5 minutes and handed it back. She said it was too heavy. Also she couldn't tell the time on it. This was a senior in high school and she was the goalie - so she's used to having stuff strapped to her - gloves, pads, a helmet. Apple watches aren't a gateway to horology. They're just a gateway into the Apple tech ecosystem.
Maybe when I'm a geezer and need the monitoring and don't need to charge it all the time, I'll get a smartwatch, but until then I'm steering clear of that soulless, disposable piece of plastic.
I'm really glad it was! Thank you for sharing your experience, it's scary to know even seniors, 17/18YO cannot read analog watches! It's not like it's really complicated! I'm almost wishing DW make a comeback 😂
A senior in high school that can't read an analogue clock face? I thought classrooms everywhere had analogue clocks on the wall! That's just ridiculous as I was able to read an analogue clock before I turned five.
Ironically the Ad I got before this video was for an Apple Watch.
That is indeed ironic 😂
Tell it like it is Olivier, Pagani Design watches aren’t so bad after all, people could do so much worse as you demonstrated. Merci bien 👍🏼
C'est moi 😁
I’ve always thought the Apple Watch was ugly. Glad you feel the same way. That said, some of the health alert features, especially for older folk are really useful. The Diesel and Invicta are especially hideous imo!
I have one smartwatch, but it's a "hybrid," and it was a gift. The touchscreen can be turned off, and in that state, the physical hands continue to function, effectively as a quartz watch, for about a month between charges. I like the thing, but only because it was actually the gateway watch that got me into the concept of wearing watches as jewelry. Agree about the longevity problem though. Someday, an iOS or Android update will render the required app useless, and the rechargeable battery will eventually degrade, and possibly become irreplaceable.
A month between charges is really good for such a device 👍. That's why these "mistake" Watches are important, because as for you they can be a gateway, I'm glad you stumbled upon it 👍
I have a "hybrid" as well and it last 5 to 6 months and then you change the battery. It's a discontinued Skagen model called the "Connect". Looks like any anolog watch but you set up the three buttons on it with the app to do what functions it can do.
I thought I was the only one rocking a watch on one wrist and a fitness tracker on the other 😉
Nope, you are not the only one mate! Not the most stylish of things but the best way I found ti have the best of both Worlds 😁
@@Horologique Yeah absolutely. Although lately I'm using mine more to keep track of my sleep (or lack there of) than my steps 😴
I also wear a watchband on my right wrist for some handy apps, but the display stays off and I only check it for certain notifications. It hasn't impacted at all the enjoyment of real watches. Great video
Thank you so much! Great minds 😁
When I was young, the Diesel Daddy was a dream. Hopefully I changed 😅
Those "connected watches" are rather Smartphones with a strap than anything else. And tell me who will collect Smartphones ? The actual value of Smartphones lie with software, not the object itself. So you will buy one (at a time!) and collect apps upon it. Nobody among the watch collectors will buy such a thing for his/her collection.
Totally, I couldn't have called them better, they are mini smartphones with no soul, but tons of functionality... for a very limited time 😂
A jeweler/watch-store near me makes it fairly simple. While they stock entry level Swiss stuff like Tissot and also some cool Japanese stuff like Seiko and Citizen, they have a whole window dedicated to "fashion" labels. In there you find labels like Armani, Hilfiger, Fossil and I *think* even Daniel Wellington (yikes!). I know it's not their intent, but that window is, basically, a very helpful piece of consumer advice, since it's a who-is-who of what *not* to buy at a watch-store.. :)
What gives me pause is the fact that this "biohazard-window" takes up roughly 25 to 30% of their entire display-area.
To put it simply: an Apple Watch is a computer in the form factor of a wrist watch. Its primary function is not to tell the time; that's actually a secondary feature of it.
Calling it a "watch" is quite honestly stretching it.
I know what you mean, that's why I say that some watch lovers will refuse calling it a watch. You are right about telling the time being the secondary feature, even less than that
Greetings from Buenos Aires - Argentina. I guess we all agree a watch is, first of all, a machine for measuring time. Now, problem is there are well known brands that ask fortunes for their watches, based on the (let´s assume is true) fact of highly standards and optimum control quality. If you ask me, I confess this weekend most probably I buy a FESTINA F20665-3 Diver. My humble opinion: good product and quite competitive price. Regards.
Hola Daniel, yo crecí en Ecuador, feliz de ver hispanohablantes aquí!
As for measuring time accurately, a connected watch and quite simply your phone will be the best.
Wearing a watch is a luxury we don't actually need these days, although for me it's a matter of practicality, heritage and... joy 😁.
As for pricing a lot of factors are part of the price, like materials, crafstamanshop, and of course, brand prestige. And you are right, some companies rely only prestige to demand exorbitant prices.
If the Festina makes you happy go for it, it looks good! Although there are other options at the same price but I'm sure you have made your due dilligence
I guess I can't disagree with any of these. Well done.
I am surprised that you only have 20k subscribers.... this channel reviews watches REALLY well!!! You make VERY good points about watches..and could not agree with you more. There is another watch reviewer called "This Watch, That Watch" on youtube that also too does an amazing job at reviewing watching and their movements.
Thank you so much, I'm so glad you think that way 👍👍. I put a lot of passion and effort in my channel, but these kinds of comments make it all worthwhile! I would love to be able to hit new thresholds soon 🤞
i see it as a way of knowing who's been snatched like in invasion of the body snatchers...
I'm not a fan of big watches, 40mm and smaller are great for myself. Wow that Diesel is big!
Funny enough that Diesel watch interests me (granted not enough to actually buy it) just to see and feel how outrageous it would look and feel on my wrist - same with some of the Invicta behemoths that they make.
Go for it 😁👍
Apple Watch? No thanks, I'll stick to my Casio instead. In terms of form and function, I tried someone's Orient Bambino 2nd gen and it doesn't feel like a 42 mm at all even in my 6 1/2 inches wrist it fits just right.
Have you tried the Bambino 38mm? It looks and feels even better
@@Horologique I can not find a 38 mm one in my home country. If I want that, I have to resort to buying from dealers located in Japan.
I’ve never viewed the Apple Watch as a timepiece; I view it as a peripheral to a mobile phone, like a printer to a desktop computer.
Sorry Oliver, the apple thing isn't a watch it's a phone peripheral lol.
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It's true, most Pagani Design watches are way better than Invicta, DW and Diesel and this kind of stuff
Totally!
New sub earned🎉 it was worth watching both part 1 and part 2
After collecting many watches as a 29yr old i can confirm that i fell for those so called " best selling " how ever i always choose good reputable brands and nothing new
Honestly i didnt like apple , because of the very same reason you mentioned = no value because over the year or so they will bring a new one amd no updates + battery is going to go out someday and its not something i want to hand out to my grandkids definately
However , what is your opinion on 3 watches in particular
garmin tactic7x
And
Garmin marq gen2 adventurer
And
Garmin instinct 2x solar tactical
I would really like your input on these
Ofcourse i know these are not something like the ones u suggest , nonetheless would love your thoughts on these 3
❤from India ( Bangalore )
Also i will be looking into all your new vids and also wil chexk the old ones
Thanks again for all your effort into educating young minds
There are two Invicta types that I would totally recommend.
For those with average-sized wrists, the Pro Diver is a very well-made 40mm-43mm Submariner homage with a 200m depth rating and a Seiko NH35A movement for well under $100.
For those with larger wrists (like me), the Invicta Grand Diver (gen 1) is a stunning 47mm dive watch with a 300m depth rating for about $50 more.
Both watches are real and usable dive watches and they both feature the Seiko NH35A automatic movement. They also both sport very well-made oyster-style bracelets and Submariner-syle indices but that is where the similarities end.
The Pro Diver is 100% a clomage of the Rolex Submariner with the same hands and rotating-style bezel. It has a simple pressed clasp with the Invicta logo on it and hollow end links.
The Grand Diver is not a homage because while it does have the Sub-style indices, the hands are completely different and so is the scalloped-edge bezel. The Grand Diver also sports solid end links instead of hollow and a beautifully milled clasp instead of the cheap pressed clasp of the Pro Diver.
The Grand Diver is a VERY heavy watch but after a little while you get used to it to the point that you can easily forget that you're wearing it. If you have the wrist to pull it off, it is just a stunning dive watch with amazing wrist presence. My personal favourite is the #3049 which is uses a similar colour palette as the Rolex Bluesy but not exact. Where the Bluesy uses a deep royal blue, the Grand Diver #3049's blue is more of an indigo (violet blue) colour. It's not enough to make it look actually purple but enough that it doesn't look the same as a Bluesy. After twelve years of ownership, the gold accents of my GD#3049 have yet to fade and the "flame-fusion" crystal has yet to scratch (it's not as hard as sapphire but it is harder than Seiko Hardlex). In fact, even though I have never had it serviced and wore it daily for about eight years, it still looks and runs as well as the day it arrived in 2012. It is easily one of the best watch buys that I have ever made as I paid about $120CAD for it back then.
I graduated from audiophilia to watch collecting - I’ve found an ever faster way to burn money!
Gosh, how I understand you 🤣. Wait until you stumble into luxury watches!
I'd like one of the big Diesels but I'd take the strap off and use it as a desk clock.
That sounds like a great idea, it should have been its first function anyway
The Apple Watch is my digital leash when working from home so I don't miss any calls or important emails wondering around the house, I wear my mechanicals on the weekends to remind me of the freedom 😄
"digital leash" 😂. I think this totally sums up what smart watches are. Thank you 👍
Don't buy a chronograph watch that has a 24hr complication, that is a useless waste of money!
Oh my god have you seen the inside of that Diesel watch before? Inside there's actually 4 separate quartz movements, it's literally like 4 watches inside cased as one, not one movement, it's so funny.
Nooo I hadn't, but given the size it figures! I don't know if that's the reason why they made it so massive 🤔
@@Horologique It definitely is, I was looking at the picture of the caseback open and there's 3 regular quartz movements and then a quartz chronograph movement, it's so funny, they're laid out like a cross inside. I wonder if you could do that with a mechanical movement lmao
Great presentation Mister, keep up the good work ;), good information
Thank you so much 👍
I'm looking forward to the day I can get my grand-nephew a manual wind watch, get him started off in life on the right foot. Alas, he just turned one, so I a ways to go yet.
Ahh if everyone was like you we would have a better educated new generation 😊
Phew , I’ve got away with it . Luckily I find that all of the watches you have mentioned are horrible and I’ve got the Pagani in the post as per your recommendation. Thank you for your affirmation of my good taste .
I'm glad I can reassure you 😁👍
I would love to see a list of alternatives to the iWatch that could be purchased for the same price!
After a month or more having it and wearing it off and on, I still really like my Pagani YS008 in rose gold with the coffee dial. I'm wearing it right now.
I'm really glad, I have to say the golden version looks very classy 👍
@@Horologique It does! I'm usually not at all a fan of plated finishes of any sort, but I thought this watch warranted giving it a shot. I am not (at least so far) disappointed with that decision.
Never heard of those watches except the iwatch but to be honest , I buy vintage watch , gold bezel or solid gold one to be specific , pretty cheap these days . Seiko Credor 14k/18k or Citizen Exceed 18k or Longine , Omega 14k/18k could be somewhere around 100 - 1500USD, there is no reason for me to buy a stainless steel watch at all
The Invicta looks like a Tissot. Honestly, it's a grail watch for many.
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I agree the iWatch is not for me. Looks like an iPad on your wrist. WristPad?? Doesn’t get my vote. Great video. 👍
Thank you so much!
What is an iWatch?
Panerai does large very well😃.
Great show
Thank you so much 👍
I hate Diesel watches.
What smart bracelet are you wearing?
It's too old and it isn't sold anymore but here's the updated version: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_EyGkd4p
What was that casio put vs daniel wellington for a couple of seconds, what option i could buy similar to daniel welington
Hello. You could totally buy the Orient Bambino: we.tl/t-AEMkemr79X
It was the Casio MTS-110
Watching someone use a smart watch as a calculator is ridiculous…. It’s too small.
It's not called 'iWatch', it's Apple Watch. All of these watches are shit and I think even beginners know this. A revised edition of this video might include watches of a higher calibre, but which still don't reflect a true value for money proposition.
Thank you for your suggestion. I have done plenty videos where I point at highly priced watches that are not worth the asking price, I just haven't named them like this: czcams.com/video/pUSj9zqyqIk/video.html
@@HorologiqueI should clarify 'higher calibre'. I really mean micro brand and entry level watches that draw in people that know they cannot afford the mid-tier and above, but are still fooled by the limited edition angle or the materials used, etc. Unimatic, San Martin and Pagani Design come to mind.
I ought really to do my own video on the subject, since I own watches by two of the aforementioned brands, I just don't have a large enough audience.
Smart watches are not interesting to me. No style. Value drops in time and becomes obsolete. Then what? As for function, they are good but not good enough for me to buy. One Smart phone is enough Information overload…I don’t need more brain overload on my wrist.
In the medical field, smart watch makes sense to communicate vital information without disturbing the medical task at hand. Maybe good for other industries. But for the average person usability, it’s a waste in my opinion.
Currently, I can go to my collection and pick out what ever style, color I am feeling that day.
A long ad
'Affordable luxury' is an oxymoron.
It totally is 🤣
Lol start with those cheap ass Ali Express watches you like