Why it's okay for Christians to celebrate Christmas (the birth of Jesus)
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- Is it wrong for Christians to celebrate Christmas? You might be thinking, “Why would it be?” Well, there are two schools of thought on why Christmas shouldn't be celebrated. The first says it's wrong to celebrate Christmas because it's a man-made holiday not found in the Bible. And the second says it's wrong because Christmas is a pagan holiday. Or at least it has pagan roots.
These anti-Christmas beliefs are held by many groups including Seventh-Day Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses and by those who practice Torahism (aka Hebrew Roots, Torah-keepers, Torah-observant Christians) which is the belief that Christians are required to keep the Old Covenant laws. None of these groups celebrate Christmas. So let's openly and honestly examine both of these objections to Christmas and see what they're all about.
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CHAPTERS
00:00 Introduction
01:32 A Christmas warning to believers in Jesus
03:45 Is Christmas a man-made holiday?
05:33 Is Christmas a modern version of a pagan holiday?
08:32 Does Christmas have pagan roots?
12:10 The true historical roots of Christmas
14:04 Summary
I don't understand anyone's objections to me celebrating Jesus ever, anytime, any day... He's my God and I will celebrate him on Christmas, Easter, January, February, March,....... All year long
Christ is clearly not your God, otherwise you would heed His voice in Deut. 12 when He said He will NOT accept false worship that is committed in His name. You don't understand the objections because you believe that your supposed desire to worship Christ gives you the right to do it however you want instead of doing it according to His instructions, like He also clearly said.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 Wow so much hate for Jesus, I understand why
@@scented-leafpelargonium3366 make sure you tell that to Jesus on your Judgement Day, hope that works out for you
@@scented-leafpelargonium3366 that isnt about me, However remember me on you Judgement Day when Jesus throws you into ....
@@scented-leafpelargonium3366 yourself
Christmas should be: 1. A religious observance that lasts maybe a few days; and 2. A winter holiday especially for CHILDREN to enjoy, NOT a massive commercial season to guilt adults into buying gifts for everybody and for people who have no need of any material things.
Giving gifts is not about guilt.
Yes do stores and commercial ism bennifit. Yes.
Is that unfortunate yes.
But your honestly telling me that a woman can't go by a gift of clothes or socks for her grand
Children. As a emulation of the wise men giving gifts. Or even gods gift of his son. To the world. Or his gift of washing sins or people's feet.
Giving gifts is wrong.?
Now yes. It has been secularization.
Yes Santa has gone far from his roots. Thanks coke.
But that doesn't mean a thing
Christ also said crash the symbols play new song.
Christ owns the world all things come through him and for him.
It’s always interesting to me to see the Hebrew roots/Torah observant comments on videos like this…. They are always combative and argumentative to any teaching other than their own. I have lived this for the past 7 or so years and it’s amazed me at how angry these people get…. This is not the way of Christ no matter what manipulative phrases you throw out…ever. Thank you for posting videos like this that help people caught In the crosshairs cope and grasp biblical reality….
You are such a needed voice and blessing in the body of Christ. I spent years in the Hebrew roots movement. I know so many that are still trapped in it and it seems to be continuing to spread. Thank you for your work.
Now that’s a good post.
@@DefendingTheTruth lol. His theology has been taught for 2000 years. Pro sexual immorality pastors are rather novel, wouldn’t you say? If you were correct, church history would read much different. I can only imagine what Irenaeus would have written about in against heresies. Your comment is not based in reality.
@@DefendingTheTruth judging by your other comments, I think you may have missed the part about love being the fulfillment of the Law. Mocking someone’s name like we used to do in first grade does not demonstrate love, or maturity. But hey, as long as you don’t eat pork chops all is well, eh? The Pharisees seemed to think so, Yeshua disagreed. The fact that you have commented 96 times on this channel is a bit concerning, it seems rather obsessive. I truly wish you well.
@@DefendingTheTruth you are delusional. There are 1,050 moral principles and directives in the new covenant which is infinitely more challenging than the weak, useless, and obsolete Mosaic law. I get it - you went to be a Jew. Just attend synagogue and be done with the charade.
@@cnmordecai
Mat 23:1 Then Yeshua spoke to the crowd and to His disciples,
Mat 23:2 saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat.
Mat 23:3 Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, observe and do. But do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do.
Yeshua preached Torah but not the way the Pharisees and Torah scholars did it , because they were hypocrites…
Mat 5:17 Do not think that I have come to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to destroy but to fulfill.
Mat 5:18 For truly I say to you, Till the heaven and the earth pass away, not one jot or one tittle shall in any way pass from the Law until all is fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Therefore whoever shall relax one of these commandments, the least, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of Heaven. But whoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of Heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I say to you that unless your righteousness shall exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of Heaven.
So many people under the law. Can't help but appreciate your work. In Jesus name, God bless you.
@@scented-leafpelargonium3366 Iesous never existed? Where did the New Testament writers get that Name then?
@@scented-leafpelargonium3366 Jehovah + Hosiah = Joshua
(rendered Iesous in Greek & Jesus in English)
It means: I am that I am Savior
God speaks all languages.
No need to weave convoluted conspiracy theories, which just causes confusion & strife.
Rob, you helped me out a lot. In my studies over the years, upon finding out about some of the pagan connections, I had become rather disappointed about Christmas. However, as you have opened up the Bible and explained that from the same tree, a man can keep himself warm, or a man can worship it, well, I think that says it all! It’s all about our heart, so I wish you and your beautiful family a very merry Christmas, and I thank our God in heaven that he sent our beautiful perfect savior to be born! Hallelujah! This is another day to rejoice and give all the glory to God Almighty! I love you my brother!
My wife and I were raised in a Torah Hebrew roots church from ages 15 up until now 25. God separated me from this church and finally got through to me.
I Really appreciate this study, as a former Torah observer or Hebrews roots member. One of the things I noticed taken out of context was most of the new covenant. God separated me and my wife from our former church of 9 years and immediately after he told me and my wife to learn of him from the new covenant and not the old. Both are very beautiful and very knowledgeable and the Torah is perfect, but it could never bring perfection. I also agree most of what I’m reading in the new covenant Paul is speaking mainly about the Jewish sabbaths, holidays, and traditions of the Old Testament. Especially in versus like .
“If, then, you died with Messiah from the elementary matters of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to dogmas: “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle” - which are all to perish with use - according to the commands and teachings of men?”
Qolasim (Colossians) 2:20-22 TS2009
Which this is taught in the Torah.
Messiah himself said
““There is no matter that enters a man from outside which is able to defile him, but it is what comes out of him that defiles the man.”
Marqos (Mark) 7:15 TS2009
A lot of Hebrew roots would argue about eating unclean meats… and fail to realize that there is no more unclean anything. Pertaining to things outside the body that don’t come from the heart.
A lot of what I learned growing up in a Hebrews roots setting from ages of 15 to now 25. Iv learned that a lot of it requires taking so much of the new covenant out of context…
One of the biggest things I noticed about the new covenant is how straight forward and concrete it is about not going under the old law.
“For in Messiah יהושע neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any strength, but belief working through love. You were running well, who held you back from obeying the truth? That persuasion does not come from Him who calls you. A little leaven leavens all the lump. I trust in you, in the Master, that you shall have no other mind. And he who is troubling you shall bear his judgment, whoever he is.”
Galatiyim (Galatians) 5:6-10 TS2009
I don’t even believe that Yeshua will lead any believer back to the old law in a sense of justification and I believe this because of the scripture speaking so heavily against it.
“Say to me, you who wish to be under Torah, do you not hear the Torah?”
Galatiyim (Galatians) 4:21 TS2009
Well said, Mr. Gaines!
Blessings, Rob
So, for freedom you have been set free. To what end? To serve your own desires and hedonistic pleasure? Has the law itself become evil? So that only when I fall into my sin with great abandon (so that grace might abound even more) does the new covenant truly reach its purpose - by saving me whereas my own works cannot? You quote me the scripture where Paul deals with this EXACT contention that people were making, at his time and by misinterpreting his teaching, and you'll see from HIS argument that the law hasn't been abolished.
We ALL have to work out our salvation with fear and trembling before God. In this process we draw lines as to what we do and don't allow ourselves to indulge in. The Spirit was given to guide and teach us in these matters. Where it does not matter, we take the liberties granted. Like, laws pertaining to slavery, wearing of clothes of mixed fabric, eating or not eating certain foods, keeping of the Sabbath or other Holy days God commanded, taking what does not belong to us, same sex relationships, torturing children for or own gratification.... Yes, that progressed quickly, and on purpose. The point is that you draw a line somewhere, we all do. Where you do, there your observance of the law starts.
But keeping a few laws about days and foods and such is easy. Obeying the Messiah in loving God and your neighbour, pursuing God in a living relationship, serving others, these things are hard. Today's church cannot discern the things true religion is about, because it is sold on the American dream of the pursuit of happiness, self fulfilment and instant material gratification. That has nothing to do with righteousness. Show me your faith without works, and I'll show you my faith through my works.
@@deniss2 don’t take the scriptures out of context. What was the works he was talking about here? Was it works of the law or works of Christ… here let me show you.
“Do they not blaspheme that good Name by which you are called? If you truly accomplish the sovereign law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbour as yourself,” you do well, but if you show partiality, you commit sin, being found guilty by the Torah as transgressors. For whoever shall guard all the Torah, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all. For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of Torah. So speak and so do as those who are to be judged by a Torah of freedom. For the judgment is without compassion to the one who has shown no compassion. And compassion boasts over judgment. My brothers, what use is it for anyone to say he has belief but does not have works? This belief is unable to save him. And if a brother or sister is naked and in need of daily food, but one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and be filled,” but you do not give them the bodily needs, what use is it? So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead. But someone might say, “You have belief, and I have works.” Show me your belief without your works, and I shall show you my belief by my works. You believe that Elohim is one. You do well. The demons also believe - and shudder! But do you wish to know, O foolish man, that the belief without the works is dead? Was not Aḇraham our father declared right by works when he offered Yitsḥaq his son on the slaughter-place? Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected? And the Scripture was filled which says, “Aḇraham believed Elohim, and it was reckoned to him for righteousness.” And He called him, “he who loves Elohim.” You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone. In the same way, was not Raḥaḇ the whore also declared right by works when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? For as the body without the spirit is dead, so also the belief is dead without the works.”
Ya‛aqoḇ (James) 2:7-26 TS2009
The Faith by works is the love we show one another through Christ because our faith is in him and the evidence or works that we belong to Christ. Is the love we show one another.
The Torah is not of faith…..
“And that no one is declared right by Torah before Elohim is clear, for “The righteous shall live by belief.” And the Torah is not of belief, but “The man who does them shall live by them.” Messiah redeemed us from the curse of the Torah, having become a curse for us - for it has been written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs upon a tree.” - in order that the blessing of Aḇraham might come upon the nations in Messiah יהושע, to receive the promise of the Spirit through belief.”
Galatiyim (Galatians) 3:11-14 TS2009
Please stop coming at me with feelings. I don’t care what man feels is right… I only care about what the word says and btw, messiah told us what is acceptable and not acceptable :). Listen to your messiah.
@@deniss2 also, the Torah of Moses was abolished…. So that the Torah of messiah could take over.
“having abolished in His flesh the enmity - the torah of the commands in dogma - so as to create in Himself one renewed man from the two, thus making peace, and to completely restore to favour both of them unto Elohim in one body through the stake, having destroyed the enmity by it.”
Eph`siyim (Ephesians) 2:15-16 TS2009
“And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, having blotted out that which was written by hand against us - by the dogmas - which stood against us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the stake.”
Qolasim (Colossians) 2:13-14 TS2009
“So my brothers, you also were put to death to the Torah through the body of Messiah, for you to become another’s, the One who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to Elohim. For when we were in the flesh, the passions of sins, through the Torah, were working in our members to bear fruit to death. But now we have been released from the Torah, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in newness of Spirit and not in oldness of letter. What, then, shall we say? Is the Torah sin? Let it not be! However, I did not know sin except through the Torah. For also the covetousness I knew not if the Torah had not said, “You shall not covet.” But sin, having taken the occasion through the command, did work in me all sorts of covetousness. For apart from Torah sin is dead. And I was alive apart from the Torah once, but when the command came, the sin revived, and I died. And the command which was to result in life, this I found to result in death.”
Romiyim (Romans) 7:4-10 TS2009
““And if, while seeking to be declared right by Messiah, we ourselves also are found sinners, is Messiah then a servant of sin? Let it not be! “For if I rebuild what I once overthrew, I establish myself a transgressor. “For through Torah I died to Torah, in order to live to Elohim.”
Galatiyim (Galatians) 2:17-19 TS2009
@@deniss2 it’s also not about what’s easy and what’s hard…. It’s about what the messiah said for us to do. The moment I choose to do what messiah said to do. I dropped my burdens and weights and things I couldn’t bare and I simply just stated to obey him. Messiah is my authority and no one else
I don't need Christmas to remind me what Jesus did for me. I think about it every day. I don't have anything against Christmas, just leave Jesus out of it cause he was not even born on the 25th of Christmas. No one knows when he was born.
Good for you, just don’t go to the step of telling others they shouldn’t. As you said, Jesus should be every day, including December 25th.
The day isnt about a calendar date... He was likely born Sept 11...
Are you a Jehova? I don't understand if someone accepts holidays as a thing you wouldn't want one for jesus
The only Christian holiday is the Lord's Day, every Sunday, where we hear Christ proclaimed. If you want to celebrate Christmas as a secular holiday, go ahead, I think it's a nice secular holiday, but it's not a Christian holiday since it's not in scripture at all, and it's not a sacrament, so it has no place being a part of worship. Just because some Pope in the 8th century created the holiday doesn't make it Christian either, we in fact had a whole reformation about these very issues a few hundred years ago.
@@InfosecGreg Sunday is NOT the Lord's Day. Christ very clearly stated that _the Sabbath_ is His day(Mar. 2:28), and that has never changed since He created it. And no, it's not the only Christian festival. Lev. 23 shows all of the truly Christian festivals, and none of them stopped being Christian.
Looking forward to celebrating that our Savior was born. 🥰
Christ was not born in the dead of winter, so whatever "Savior" you're talking about isn't Jesus Christ.
Well, that is your opinion. That's ok. @@theeternalsbeliever1779
We can celebrate that He was born. Knowing or not knowing the date doesn't change our ability to recognize that. @@scented-leafpelargonium3366
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 so now we need a specific day to remember our Lord, I thought we could do it every single day, including 12/25
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 She is a JW, which is satanic cult.
Based on the conviction we've had as a family we will not be celebrating. We will continue honor the biblical feast as the origin of these celebrations are Holy. I encourage people to seek guidance from the Holy Spirit and yield to what is revealed to you. God bless you all in Jesus name, Amen.
How it should be tbh
@@user-rt5me8kc9u Amen, it's been a freeing experience to opt out honestly.
I agree. We need to believe the whole Bible. God gave us specific instructions on how He wants to be worshipped. Witches celebrate xmas and that should be telling.
@YahushaismyKing yes sis, the whole Bible. 2 Timothy 3:16
King James Version
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: it's awesome to know other believers are getting convicted the same way.
When your holidays do not include the birth or resurrection of Christ, then you know you have a problem.
Wow! This was so good to watch! I have shared this on my Facebook media, because it speaks so clearly about truths that will calm the unnecessary fears of ''accidental pagan worship'' that some believers fall prey to. The earth is indeed the Lord's, and we have all the reason to celebrate the gift of Jesus!
Thanks, Paul!
Blessings, Rob
Thank you for the video 🕊🤍💛
Actually the history shows that Hippolytus of Rome calculated the time where Gabriel visited Mary and then counted nine months forward to land at December 25. This calculation was as early as roughly the year, 200 maybe 210.. which is why, the pagans didn’t move their God’s dates to December 25 until post 354 after Christmas had already been calculated by Christians and the celebrations were already happening ❤
Yes this refutes the pagan origins. The early Christians were celebrating Christ on Dec 25ty before the pagan had their celebrations in Dec. I am glad u brought this up. I could not remember the guys named but knew it started with a H.
Yes here a pfd that covers pretty much every pagan argument throw against Christmas
www.dropbox.com/s/czb67pfs17cu7c2/The%20Plain%20Truth%20About%20December%2025.pdf?dl=0
Yes, Sextus Julius Africaunus (a contemporary of Hippolytus) also calculated His conception as being around March 25th. Nine months later is December 25th.
No pagan holiday appropriation necessary!
Not to mention that the early church fathers would never have thought of mixing paganism into their holidays! They would rather die than say " Caesar is lord," let alone mix in pagan traditions to their worship of God.
@ShiaDiscourse I have videos on this in my playlist, but if you read Genesis 30 verse 40 and 41 you can see very clearly that it’s not impossible for the shepherd to be in the field in the winter time. Even Josephus says that it was such a mild climate that fruit would grow even into the winter.
You can find this in the Jewish wars, book 3, chapter 10 verse eight if memory serves me correctly
@@freedominchrist444No they weren’t! Jesus’ apostles and early disciples did not celebrate Christmas! The New Catholic Encyclopedia says “the Nativity feast was instituted no earlier than 243 C.E.,” more than a century after the last of the apostles died!
The World Book Encyclopedia says: “The early Christians did not celebrate Jesus’ birth because they considered the celebration of anyone’s birth to be a pagan custom.”
The book Sacred Origins of Profound Things says: “For two centuries after Christ’s birth, no one knew, and few people cared, exactly when he was born.”
Thank you for this video. I recently had a good friend this past Christmas try to spread the narrative that Christmas is a pagon holiday and he will no longer celebrate even to go as far as being angry when we called on his hypocrisy for hosting a Christmas party. This call of his and others to in a sense cancel Christmas felt much more evil than celebrating. I knew I had to do my own research to challenge his argument and my conclusion is true. We spread the love of our god and his son whatever day we feel and will let no evil have even one day of celebration.
Thank you for your sound and biblical approach to HR arguments. I share your videos with those who’ve fallen into the HR deception. I shared this one in a FB group that’s completely unrelated to HR, but so many there who have come out of one deception, have now fallen into another one. The devil is hard at work and there’s no place he works harder than among those who believe in Christ.
@@scented-leafpelargonium3366 no my friend, it’s not.
Did you know SCENTED LEAF PELARGONIUM is an anagram of SUPERCONFIDENT GLEE LAMA?
:-) R.
woe to them that call good evil and evil good
If the angels heralded Him and the shepherds went and told it, I can celebrate it and use it as a day, which is the Lord’s anyway, to love my neighbor as myself!
@@scented-leafpelargonium3366 However, Christmas celebrates the Greatest Birth Ever
@@scented-leafpelargonium3366 really? Romans 4:4Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. 5 One person regards a certain day above the others, while someone else considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who observes a special day does so to the Lord; he who eats does so to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God
@@scented-leafpelargonium3366, because it is for freedom that Christ set us free!
Merry Christmas!
This guy says he wanted to "honestly examine both of these objections to Christimas", but then he proceeds to echo all of the hilariously unbiblical arguments of "Christians" who love to justify rebelling against the very Book they claim is the source of their beliefs. It's downright ironic and deceptive that this channel is named "Defending the Biblical Roots of Christianity" when he does nothing but justify his obvious contempt for those roots.
Thanks for weighing in, TEB! Would you be willing to share an example of a "hilariously unbiblical argument" made in this video?
RLS
The short answer is a resounding no.
If Christians believe that Jesus is God, then they just have to accept that Jesus declared that everyone who participates in such a celebration is to be considered stupid and foolish according to the word of the Lord Jeremiah chapter 10
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That passage is about making idols from trees. You know people that carve trees into idols and worship them? What country do you live in?
By the way, in the ancient temple God allowed for trees to decorate:
"The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will make the place of my feet glorious." -- Isa. 60:13 KJV
I was raised SDA, and I never met an SDA who didn't celebrate christmas. There was that one year the it fell on the Sabbath, and we had to wait until Sunday to have christmas. That's a hard one to explain. We also hunted easter eggs on easter morning.
Adventists are mongrel dogs barking at the church. Adventist prophetess Ellen White demanded Christmas trees be placed in all Adventist indoctrination centers.
Right. And SDA honor the Sunday resurrection from Friday crucifixion to Sunday Resurrection which is a Roman Catholic doctrine. Friday 3pm to Sunday morning does not equal 3 days and 3 nights.
@@zouksesanet I don't recall that ever being a thing among the SDA's. There's so much genuine stuff to criticize them over, so why this?
@@stevenchacala Why pointing out a doctrinal point is viewed as criticism?
@@zouksesanet SDA's have no doctrines regarding Easter or Christmas or Halloween or Presidents' Day or Talk Like a Pirate day. Your comment isn't pointing out a doctrine, it is just being absurd, about a religion that already has genuine absurdity built into it.
I celebrate Christmas everyday, i don't even wait every Dec. 25th because my saviour always celebrates me, the one that was lost and left the other 99 to search for me.
I celebrate Christas and Easter everyday beause my Lord and my God Jesus Christ is the life in my celebration of these Holidays.
Celebrate Jesus celebrate.
Christmas is a Pagan Solctice so why celebrate it? Pre-Christian Celebrations (Before 4th Century CE): Various cultures held winter solstice festivals to mark the shortest day of the year. These celebrations included feasting, lighting candles, and other rituals to welcome the return of longer days and the sun's rebirth. Examples include Saturnalia in Rome and Yule among Germanic peoples.
4th Century CE: The exact date of Jesus's birth was not recorded in early Christian texts. In the 4th century, Pope Julius I declared December 25th as the date to celebrate the birth of Jesus, possibly to align with existing pagan festivals and facilitate the spread of Christianity.
Medieval Period: Christmas celebrations evolved with a mix of Christian traditions and remnants of pagan customs. Feasting, caroling, and charitable acts became part of the holiday.
Reformation and Puritan Period: In the 16th and 17th centuries, some Protestant groups, particularly Puritans in England and later in America, opposed the celebration of Christmas due to its pagan associations and lack of biblical basis. Christmas was banned in parts of England for a period.
19th Century: Christmas regained popularity during the Victorian era in Britain. Queen Victoria and Prince Albert popularized traditions such as Christmas trees and exchanging gifts. Charles Dickens's "A Christmas Carol" also contributed to the revival of Christmas as a time for generosity and family gatherings.
20th Century: Christmas became a widely celebrated holiday across various cultures and religions, embraced for its themes of goodwill and generosity. Commercialization led to the popularization of Santa Claus and the commercial aspect of gift-giving.
Throughout these centuries, Christmas evolved, blending religious, cultural, and secular elements into the celebration we know today. Its roots in both Christian and pagan traditions have contributed to the diverse customs and practices observed during the holiday season in different parts of the world.
I was astonished when I learned that there are Christians who don't celebrate Christmas. This seemed deeply suspect to me. After all, do they not think the birth of the Savior is worth celebrating?
they arent Christians
Because it was once outlawed on American soil within one of the 13 colonies, but with Roman Catholic, Anglican, Quaker and Baptist influence, we walked away from a theocracy and entered into a republic/democracy that allowed all gods to be worshiped. The remnant of Christ knows when He was born, but not the those on the wide way to destruction!
@@BeitYHWH only because the men were in the Pub and not in Church
Have you ever thought to actually look up the roots yourself? What IF, just IF, you learned you were actually celebrating a different diety than Christ...would you change your mind? Would you STILL celebrate it just because the "world" told you to? Remember, we're not to live OF the world. This is a great example imo.
@@JoyinFlorida Yes, as someone who loves Christmas I have indeed looked into the history thoroughly. Maybe if you were to celebrate Christmas you would be worshipping a different deity but not me. I am celebrating the birth of Christ, just as my fathers before me and their fathers before them.
Hi, I agree with what you said! I have a question. What would you say if someone said that "celebrating man-made holidays is wrong" and that they don't celebrate Christmas much less Halloween(BTW I don't celebrate haha, we just buy candy at the store and eat them). They would probably say that I'm contradicting myself. Please help 🥲
Hi, Pablo. My response would be that Jesus celebrated a man-made holiday (John 10:22-23), so it cannot be wrong.
Blessings! RLS
MERRY CHRISTMAS SIR. . . ☺️☺️☺️
THANK YOU SO MUCH. . . ☺️
MERRY CHRISTMAS ❤
@@lavieenrose5954
MERRY CHRISTMAS Ma'am .. . ☺️
@@scented-leafpelargonium3366The Lord told Jeremiah the prophet, clearly stated that all the nations that participate in such celebration are considered stupid and foolish Jeremiah Chapter 10
@@scented-leafpelargonium3366 The text is so crystal clear. There are frightening similarities to today's Christmas. No doubt about it. Since Christians believe that Jesus is Lord and it is the Lord's words that we read in Jeremiah chapter 10, Christians must give an explanation. The Lord in Jeremiah chapter 10 condemns the nations, not the nation. Being stupid and foolish
@@scented-leafpelargonium3366 Also remember that more alcohol is drunk on that day than any other day of the year together with pork. And Christians also believe that their body is the new "temple" Beis Ha-Mikdash? That's where Hanukkah comes in to commemorate the desecration of the Temple where the enemy slaughters pigs on the altar. But as you say, They always find a wonderful excuse to justify Xmas 🎄
This should be called defending the pagan roots of Christianity.
What’s interesting to me is that the same people who don’t celebrate Christmas, to each is own, attend a church that practices many man made traditions that are not biblical. No such thing as Sunday school, or praise and worship pastor, the music/ band type of entertainment on stage, woman who preach, tithing and the list goes on. Point being is, are we being legalistic or inconsistent in what we decide to follow through with? If Christmas isn’t biblical, that what about Mother’s/fathers day, birthdays, anniversaries etc. Just a thought.
I’m searching for the truth and not a version of it.
Correct we are all inconsistent…which may be why God said not to bother judging anyone based on what one considers a Holy day vs what another considers not as Holy. Ever since salvation was open to Gentiles, God knew what other potential doorways for confusion and separation would follow. Let us encourage each other in the faith with Love and long suffering. Be encouraged!
I think though, that if the secularized aspects of Christmas are in the service of the meanings and generosities of the profound Christmas, they dont have to be negative, do they?
Thank you for this!.. Will be sharing this message/video as a Christmas gift.. Blessings!
It warms my heart thinking about the non believers of the deity of Christ, celebrating Christmas. 😊
It’s impossible to take Christ out of Christmas. You would be left with a mass. And that would not be Christmas at all.
✝️🙏🏼💟
@@Narrow...IsTheOnlyWay Source?
If you want to know the meaning of an English word, the best place to look is an English dictionary:
*Christmas* - the annual festival of the Christian church commemorating the birth of Jesus: celebrated on December 25 and now generally observed as a legal holiday and, for many, an occasion for exchanging gifts.
RLS.
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Amen Rob ❤
@@scented-leafpelargonium3366 not necessarily. I don’t celebrate the Catholic mass, and it is not Christmass it is Christmas.
I looked up the definition of mas and mass. These are the applicable definitions i found. (Mas is very fitting, lol)
mas-(noun)Master.
mass-A large but nonspecific amount or number.
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@@scented-leafpelargonium3366 . I feel like you think you are somewhat holier than anyone that celebrates Christmas. I truly feel sorry you, who are you to to belittle and tell God’s children that celebrating His Son is evil?
God searches our hearts. I will pray for you, even though you probably do not think you need praying for.
Romans: 4Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Merry Christmas and a blessed New Year 🙌🏼
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If you are already seeing it, it’s likely due to myself and a friend Alaina posting the Torah Observant movement was wrong is saying “Christmas is pagan”
Christmas was created by the Roman Catholic Church which is full of syncretism; thus, Christmas that came forth from the Roman Catholic Church which is also famous for pedophilia, is a pagan mass, from a religion that has been infiltrated by Rome. I won't practice any custom that comes out of Mystery Babylon, since the bible is clear: Come out of her! People in these latter days, don't have the strength to stand in Christ; thus, they bow down to Rome since it's paved with good intentions and pleasantries.
Very good points made here.
To add; If one would look into the 'calculation theory' u can see that early churchfathers like Julius Aricanus(160-240ad), Hippolytus of Rome (170-236ad) mentioned the christmas date of dec 25th. Possibly long before the Mithras religion became more popular in the Roman Empire. Nowhere do they reference another religion but they made calculations based on scriptural facts.
And
* Saturnalia was dec 17th, finished dec 20 or 21th so before the 25th.
* Winter solstice is actually dec 21th (Romans calulated this wrong)
* giving christmas gifts is more an modern American tradition then ancient pagan custom.
Atheist also love to use these arguments, which is ironic that they claim we take pagan holidays and worship Christ when they take Christian holidays and turn it into secular holidays.
R L , hoping you do a vlog on how the Hebrew Roots One Law movement is really another form of replacement theology, like FFOZ does, and how some are trashing the current state of Israel as not authentic.
Rob, you see I watch your presentation, But I always have a question: when did Christmas started and who started it?
You said the church: which church?
Awesome presentation. Thank you for that breakdown.
@keithjefferson9189 : It is a breakdown. A breakdown of Biblical truth. 🙃
Wonderful video. Nice to see sanity. Why isn't there the same level of objection to the Statue of Liberty, which has morphed from a pagan goddess? Why isn't there objection to the Star-Spangled Banner and the fact that it borrowed a melody from a song which glorifies two Roman deities as a metaphor of glorifying drunk partying?
Hey brother I thought Christmas Day was estimated the 25th because Zechariah John the Baptists father was doing the temple duty at a certain time and Elizabeth was pregnant 6 months before Mary thus approximately December, could go further with this but il leave it there. There should be 13 months of 28 days so …..
Still il stick with 25th December and I will celebrate it this year God willing ❤❤❤
The stars are what God used for signs and seasons.. based on that Jesus was likely born around Sept 11.. research and see what you find.
@@zellerized exactly bro, I am a geocentric Christian ❤️
@@scented-leafpelargonium3366, the calendar has been destroyed by worldly principalities. They have the masses on a fake globe with fake everything. The only truth is the Bible
@@zellerized it is very possible the right timing, it could be a few days difference
RANDOM CHANUKAH QUESTION...
Could DEDICATION in John 10:22 relate to Solomon's or Ezra's dedication of the temple? Why do we assume it was Maccabees dedication?
Ezra 6:15
Now this temple was completed on the third day of the month Adar; it was the sixth year of the reign of King Darius.
3 ADAR = FEB 18, 2025
2 Chronicles 7:8
So Solomon held the feast at that time for seven days, and all Israel with him, a very great assembly that came from the entrance of Hamath to the brook of Egypt.
2Chronicles 7:9
And on the eighth day they held a solemn assembly, because they held the dedication of the altar for seven days, and the feast for seven days.
2Chronicles 7:10
Then on the twenty-third day of the seventh month he sent the people to their tents, rejoicing and happy in heart because of the goodness that the LORD had shown to David, to Solomon, and to His people Israel.
23 - 8 = 15 TISHREI = OCT 2, 2024
Hi, Jo. The only temple dedication celebrated in the first century was the Feast of Dedication. This was an eight-day festival, also called the Feast of Lights, which began on the 25th of Chislev (November-December). The festival celebrated the rededication of the second temple in December 164 BC after the Seleucid king, Antiochus Epiphanes, had defiled it (1 Maccabees 1:59; Dan 11:31).
Shalom, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots Thanks Rob.
No liar will enter into the kingdom of heaven.
I don't think you make a good case about Christmas' pagan associations. Why does one need a decorated evergreen tree to celebrate a birthday? That's not our custom for other birthdays. Why exchange gifts instead of giving gifts to worthy Christian causes? Why the need for a santa claus and the lies to children? And why celebrate His birthday during a pagan season when we know He was born either in the spring or fall? Likewise, why do we celebrate His resurrection with a festival named after a pagan goddess (Easter)? And do bunny rabbits and easter eggs reflect on the resurrection or on fertility? These pagan connection are dubious. I think Jesus frowns on them as much as He condemned the nicolaitans and the doctrine of Balaam in Rev 2 & 3. He is judging His church on these things!
Merry Christmas ✝️ Christ is King!
Isaiah 9
Wonderful
Counselor
The Mighty God
The Everlasting Father
The Price of Peace
Isaiah 9 V 6 is one of my most favorite old testament scripture, but I don't celebrate paganized christian holidays with fairy tale stories. Bible is the pure word of God.
It is believed Jesus was born around the Feast of the Tabernacles which is September/October. If we go back nine months from here where are we??? And when DOES life begin???
We need to remember how Jesus came into this world.
If we stop celebrating Christmas we could stop reading scriptures associated with Christmas. You cannot take away from God's Word!!!
Shalom, Rob. I enjoy watching your videos and have commented a few times here and there, as I've been in the HRM many years and have definitely seen its dark side. That's not to say that I've "thrown the baby out with the bath water", but I'm interested in listening and learning from others who love Messiah and understand differently than me.
One thing that struck me about this video was your shared view that we are free to appropriate things from other traditions and use them in our worship/celebration of the one true God, YHWH.
I couldn't help but be reminded of a statement made by the Worldwide Church of God (which I attended growing up with my parents) in which they announced, "We have conquered the pagan holidays and made them our own!". (I can understand the inference was, through Christ.) This was the beginning of the end for this huge church, and its outraged members split apart into many smaller churches.
The basis for thos split is found in Deuteronomy chapter 12, where YHWH instructs His people (Israel) very clearly that they are not to incorporate the customs of worship of other nations into their worship of Him... they are not even to inquire about them. He said not to worship Him in such ways. Torah very carefully teaches the way in which YHWH desires to be worshipped, and my understanding is that it was to be very unlike (set apart) the surrounding nations, which would make Israel a "peculiar people".
How do we reconcile the YHWH of Israel who took great pains to teach the specifics of how His people are to worship and show their reverence and love for Him, with a version of Messiah that basically says the opposite? I see so much wrong with the HRM, but I cannot reconcile the traditional Christian views of Christ with the God He is supposed to represent. How can something be an "abomination" to God at one time, and no big deal later? (People devoted their lives, even unto death, in obedience to these laws that Christians today make light of, and even mock.)
I believe the feasts have been fulfilled in Christ, which means I view them differently than most "feast keepers", and am open to understanding a new way of observing them in the light of their completion in Christ, but can't quite get my head around throwing them out and creating new observances ( observances that seem to be an amalgamation of many pagan customs with the "face" of Christ attached) in their place.
Please set me straight on anything I may be misunderstanding here.
Hey there man I definitely understand your sentiments. Although it has nothing to do with Christmas I think you should watch his other video “Grace vs Works ( Debunked )” I know it has nothing to do with mentioning the holiday specifically (or mention them at all lol) but it does touch on Christ and the fulfillment of the Old Covenant laws and may indirectly give you more insight on the holiday topic. Remain blessed and focused on YHWH 🙏🏾 may He always cover and guide you.
I greatly admire how this was worded and the Love and reason behind your approach. May others in Christ take note and follow closely to this method when reasoning with others in the faith. I look forward to the owners response as you’ve made a good point regarding our worship needing to be set apart. That is what I currently struggle with concerning this holiday. I want my worship to Almighty God set apart as well for His Glory.
Thank you. I think I may have already watched that one, but will revisit it to see if it answers any of these questions for me.
Hanukkah, Purim (with customs that can rival Mardi Gras), weddings, bar mitzvahs, eighth day circumcision celebrations….not biblical commands. So, celebrating the birth of Christ, which is the beginning of the greatest occurrence of all times is not permitted??? No logic there. Thanks,Rob
A bit of context would be nice.@sonia____02
Deut. 12 clearly says not to worship Yahweh the way that nations worship their gods. I see no difference in how most Christians seem to keep Christmas and how the world keeps it. Both decorate their homes with idols, false nativity scenes, (Yeshua was not an infant when visited by the wise men), and participate in the materialistic nature of the day. Perhaps most Christians don't partake in the drunkeness and sexual perversion that accompanies the day. However, the fact that these are taking place under the guise of "tis the season" should be enough evidence that it is a day meant to mock Yeshua. True believers need to come out of this and seek the plain truth of scripture. Remember, Yeshua thanked the Father for revealing the truth to ordinary folks, not the sophisticated. The heart of a child who wants to please His Father through obeying his commands is worth far more than being a trained theologian.
I love you, brother, and I love Jesus even more! He saved me from paganism and witchcraft few months ago. Praise the Lord!!!!
I get your points. As an ex-witch I personally would not celebrate Jesus' birth on that date nor would I recommend anyone doing it... In my pagan past when I used to worship the sun I was deliberately making fun of Christians for stealing a pagan holiday to make it their own without being aware that it's the solstice actually and is inherently pagan considering all other details such as decorations and rituals, especially in my country. It's a well know joke in the pagan community and every witch smirks at Christians celebrating Christmas. Everything is soo pagan here. And you said in the video that the Church did exactly that with the intention to shift the focus of the masses towards Christ. But what happened was that the pagans were allowed to keep their pagan stuff around just label it as "Christian". It was a compromise. And I wouldn't say the pope's original intent was successful at all. Just look around.
It's very dangerous to say "it's important where you set your intentions and heart"... No... Imagine "re-claiming" yoga and doing it with all of your heart set on Jesus. It's not gonna work. If the root is pagan, it is paganism, meaning satanism. For the note, I'm not Torah-observing, nor Adventist, not JW. I try to be rooted in the Bible as much as possible.
We don't know when Jesus was born. Some researchers say it took place in April/May. I'd love to celebrate His birthday, the miracle of the Infinite God taking flesh to be with us and eventually save us ❤️ I personally don't choose to do it on that date...
I acknowledge it however as a good opportunity to share the gospel as people are a bit more open for Christ during that time of the year. If someone can be saved that's the most important thing 🙏 Be blessed all of you, my brothers and sisters 💖
Edit: Jesus must be celebrated every day, that includes 25 Dec, indeed. Just not mixed with pagan elements in my opinion.
I agree with you. We can't compromise God like praying to Him while doing yoga to make it right. A CZcamsr I watch who teaches from biible etc was soon convicted to get rid of the Christmas idols and she said He said to her something like when you have these things am I not enough for you.
Exactly.
Perfectly said.....there's TOO much evidence to show where it seems from. We could literally be celebrating/summoning demons while we THINK we're celebrating our Lord? It's hard to get through these holidays without being outcast by family and friends but my spirit is telling me they're wrong. God bless!❤
God created the seasons n the solstice. Just because pagans or others want to worship a created thing doesn't mean Christians can't love The Lord's creation and be happy God is sending spring.
Everything God made is beautiful. The first thing the Lord created was the heavens. Praise Him for the works of his hands.
Liked your video. Interested in why the church changed name from Festival of Nativity to Christmas. Festival has OT roots. I know the Eastern Orthodox sometime celebrated Festival of Nativity (Jesus Birth) with Festival of Epiphany (Wise Men arrival and marking Jesus as King). Also, while the Bible doesn't provide a date, the common understanding based on Zechariah's rotation in the Temple, assuming the rotation wasn't related to High Holy Week where all priests served, to be one of two seasons (Shukkot or The Winter Season around the time Christmas is celebrated). Shukkot may be possibly rejected due to the fact that Joseph and Mary were in Bethlehem and not Jerusalem (as would be the practice of Jews during this time). Of course, the question of the Census comes into play since Quirinius wasn't governor of Syria when Caesar Augustus was ruling.
Is it Christianized Paganism, or Paganized Christianity? Is lukewarm the absence of hot or cold, or is it a mixture?
It's Christianized paganism. The apostles never observed it, and they never encouraged anyone to observe it. Christ didn't even celebrate His own birth, so there is no justification for any professing Christian to observe it. It never had anything to do with Christ, and the fact that He wasn't born on Dec. 25th ought to make any thinking person consider what it is they're actually doing.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 yet the angels celebrated it in rather lavish style, literally breaking forth in song from the heavens. That's rather important to recall!
@@listening4hisvoice There are a few examples throughout the Word of birth celebrations. It looks positive when celebrated ON the DAY of birth, but negative when celebrated as a birthday (as in yearly). I am not agreeing or disagreeing. I am just stating what I see.
The examples you gave was awesome. The angels, and others celebrated the birth of Jesus.
Here is an example of a birthday:
Matthew 14:3-11
[3]For Herod had laid hold on John, and bound him, and put him in prison for Herodias' sake, his brother Philip's wife.
[4]For John said unto him, It is not lawful for thee to have her.
[5]And when he would have put him to death, he feared the multitude, because they counted him as a prophet.
[6]But when Herod's birthday was kept, the daughter of Herodias danced before them, and pleased Herod.
[7]Whereupon he promised with an oath to give her whatsoever she would ask.
[8]And she, being before instructed of her mother, said, Give me here John Baptist's head in a charger.
[9]And the king was sorry: nevertheless for the oath's sake, and them which sat with him at meat, he commanded it to be given her.
[10]And he sent, and beheaded John in the prison.
[11]And his head was brought in a charger, and given to the damsel: and she brought it to her mother.
Either way, there is no command to observe the birthday of Christ. Unless of course His birth fell on a Holy day. The Word became flesh and tabernacled among men. The Feast of Trumpets could be His birthday as well, as the sounding of Trumpets signified different things. Coronation, King coming, War, and other things. The Word doesn't tell us if He was born at either of those times either. The Word seems to go out of it's way to not give us His birth date. His lineage is mentioned, His birth story is mentioned, but never the date.
@@sonia____02 Thou shall not speak a different language.? I don't remember that command. Jeremiah 10 says learn not the way of the heathen, for their traditions are vain.
Jeremiah 10:1-5
[1]Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
[2]Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
[3]For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
[4]They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
[5]They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
God gave us His Holy Days, but we refuse and make up our own holidays as a replacement.
@sonia____02 What do you consider strange apparel? Pants instead of a robe? A hat instead of a turban? The only clothing laws I have seen consist of not mixing animal skins with plant based clothing, and tzitzit is a commanded part of one's clothing.
The Jeremiah passage that I brought up lines up perfectly with God's commands. Idol worship; loving the creation more than the creator.
Chanukah isn't one of God's feasts either. Do Hebrew Roots and Torahism people celebrate that? Just curious.
Yes, most of them do and in my experience when my friend who is a Hebrew Roots was gently confronted with this was highly offended and stopped talking to me.
Most observe Chanuka however it is done in ignorance as well. We are Commanded not to add to or take away from
...as for Yahshua being in Yerushalayim during the dedication or Chanukah does not mean observance... that is a reading into the text
...the only thing we know according to His Word is that Yahshua our Adon and Savior had to flee from being stoned when He was there.... that is all we know according to scripture
@@joshuachurch4380 How is it done in ignorance when some of the same people who observe Chanukah tell others not to celebrate Christmas?
@heather602 it is done in ignorance in the same way that the scripture that states that Yahshua was there somehow give presidence to observe it....however the only scripture that is relevant is
Do not add to or take away from
Given twice in Dvarim or Deuteronomy
Jeremiah 23:16-40
Jeremiah 23:16-40 AMPC
Thus says the Lord of hosts: Do not listen to the words of the [false] prophets who prophesy to you. They teach you vanity (emptiness, falsity, and futility) and fill you with vain hopes; they speak a vision of their own minds and not from the mouth of the Lord. They are continually saying to those who despise Me and the word of the Lord, The Lord has said: You shall have peace; and they say to everyone who walks after the stubbornness of his own mind and heart, No evil shall come upon you. For who among them has stood in the council of the Lord, that he should perceive and hear His word? Who has marked His word [noticing and observing and giving attention to it] and has [actually] heard it? Behold, the tempest of the Lord has gone forth in wrath, a whirling tempest; it shall whirl and burst upon the heads of the wicked. The anger of the Lord shall not turn back until He has executed and accomplished the thoughts and intents of His mind and heart. In the latter days you shall consider and understand it perfectly. I did not send these [false] prophets, yet they ran; I did not speak to them, yet they prophesied. But if they had stood in My council, then they would have caused My people to hear My words, then they would have turned them [My people] from their evil way and from the evil of their doings. Am I a God at hand, says the Lord, and not a God afar off? Can anyone hide himself in secret places so that I cannot see him? says the Lord. Do not I fill heaven and earth? says the Lord. I have heard what the prophets have said who prophesy lies in My name, saying, I have dreamed, I have dreamed [visions on my bed at night]. [How long shall this state of things continue?] How long yet shall it be in the minds of the prophets who prophesy falsehood, even the prophets of the deceit of their own hearts, Who think that they can cause My people to forget My name by their dreams which every man tells to his neighbor, just as their fathers forgot My name because of Baal? The prophet who has a dream, let him tell his dream; but he who has My word, let him speak My word faithfully. What has straw in common with wheat [for nourishment]? says the Lord. Is not My word like fire [that consumes all that cannot endure the test]? says the Lord, and like a hammer that breaks in pieces the rock [of most stubborn resistance]? Therefore behold, I am against the [false] prophets, says the Lord, [I am even now descending upon them with punishment, these prophets] who steal My words from one another [imitating the phrases of the true prophets]. Behold, I am against the prophets, says the Lord, who use their [own deceitful] tongues and say, Thus says the Lord. Behold, I am against those who prophesy lying dreams, says the Lord, and tell them and cause My people to err and go astray by their lies and by their vain boasting and recklessness-when I did not send them or command them; nor do they profit these people at all, says the Lord. And when these people, or a prophet or a priest, ask you, What is the burden of the Lord [the thing to be lifted up now]? then you shall say to them, What burden [indeed]! [You are the burden!] And I will disburden Myself of you and I will cast you off, says the Lord. And as for the prophet, the priest, or [any of these] the people, whoever [in mockery calls the word of the Lord a burden and] says, The burden of the Lord, I will even visit in wrath and punish that man and his house. [For the future, in speaking of the utterances of the Lord] thus shall you say every one to his neighbor and every one to his brother: What has the Lord answered? or, What has the Lord spoken? But the burden of the Lord you must mention no more, for every man's burden is his own response and word [for as they mockingly call all prophecies burdens, whether good or bad, so will it prove to be to them; God will take them at their own word]; for you pervert the words [not of a lifeless idol, but] of the living God, the Lord of hosts, our God! Thus shall you [reverently] say to the prophet: What has the Lord answered you? Or, What has the Lord spoken? But if you say, The burden of the Lord, therefore thus says the Lord: Because you said these words, The burden of the Lord, when I sent to you, saying, You shall not say, The burden of the Lord, Therefore behold, I, even I, will assuredly take you up and cast you away from My presence, you and the city [Jerusalem] which I gave to you and to your fathers. And I will bring an everlasting reproach upon you and a perpetual shame which will not be forgotten.
Context, context, context!
Amen
The "church" he is talking about is/was the catholic church that Jesus didn't start amd hates because they re-sacrifice Jesus every week.
That is the problem, celebrating a man-made holy day, holiday in Jesus' name. Why don't people understand that, not to celebrate things, but not in place of Jesus, that means birthdays as well.
I love how he puts 7th days and jehovahs in there lol, the old covenant has nothing to do with this trash. I mean if christ mass is about Jesus then why aren't people defending it when non Christians celebrate it? Its for everyone, muslims love it because its the worlds.
True Worship is from the heart and Christmas should be exactly that, remembering and celebrating the birth of our Saviour. If we want to be technical... we are the most pagan part of Christmas because our hearts were far from Him, full of the most vile and sinful things. Yet, this birth, that angels longed to see and did with amazing celebration, proclaimed Peace on earth and Good Will to all men. Our salvation has come!
True worship is not from the heart. As Christ told the Samaritan woman in Jhn 4, true worship comes from worshiping God _His_ way. The Samaritans all worshiped from their heart, and Christ told her to her face that her and the rest of the Samaritans spent their lives worshiping false gods.
I’ve heard some very plausible cases for a mid September date for Christ’s birth. (Heisler )Because we have so much pushback with our “TO friends”, it would sure be lovely if we celebrated closer to his actual birthdate.
How Do We Explain The Demonic Distractions Of ChristMass Such As Santa Claus, Mrs. Claus, Elfs, Rudolph, Frosty, Mistletoes, Xmas 🎄, Xmas Lights, 🎁 Giving And Receiving, And The Majority Of ChristMass Songs And Music That Doesn't Even Mention The Birth God The Son To People Who Never Heard About Xmas?
Easy, don’t include them in your celebration
@@wendymtzc What Are We Celebrating?
@@kylemanningjcic1333 I celebrate Christ, what others do is none of my business
@@sonia____02 Are You Catholic?
@sonia____02 Because ChristMass Is A Catholic Holiday....
This video is well done.
I’m not a fan of Christmas. The evidence for it being pagan is thin. My issue with Christmas is my same issue with Halloween. It’s a made up holiday that the church has pushed in the past. It is celebrated by people who are non- Christians and Christians alike. The fact that there is little to no difference between the people who celebrate it regardless of their faith.
If it was devoid of the commercialism and just a time for families to get together and eat and fellowship. I’d probably have no problem with it. But it’s treated as all about the gifts regardless of what people say.
I dont think it’s totally pagan. But it in my opinion is already no longer about HIS coming, and now all about stuff.
I dont disagree with your points, but i am not a fan of Christmas as practiced, and don’t intend to try and redeem it.
Shalom
The evidence for the position of Christmas being pagan isn't thin. You're just suffering from cognitive dissonance. Aside from the obvious facts of history, God went through the trouble of having Jeremiah describe what the heathens did on this day, and it 100% matches the customs that are practiced today. For crying out loud, archaeologists have found nativity scenes that predates the time of Christ.
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 if you’re referring to Jeremiah 10 it’s more likely referring to a bail or asthroth pole (spelling incorrect) due to the context of verses 3-5 refer to a craftsman, and that the tree can not speak (implying it has a face and mouth)
An argument could be made about the golden calf having similar implications as a Christmas tree (worshipping YHWH the way you want to instead of the ways he proscribes) however that argument isn’t a perfect example. It’s good enough to make a point. But i wont use it to completely hang my dislike for Christmas.
If there is another passage in Jeremiah that is more fitting to rejecting Christmas, please let me know. Always like deep dive studies.
As far as nativity sets that predate THE MESSIAH, I’ll have to research that further. It’s a topic I’m not very familiar with at the moment.
Personally not a fan of Christmas
@@scented-leafpelargonium3366 i think most churches keep it for three reasons,
1. Belief that it is a GOD ordained holiday prescribed by the New Testament.
2. High church attendance on that day.
3. Tradition
I’m not ready to call it entirely pagan, but calling it biblical is definitely a mistake.
As prior stated, if it was family fellowship and food (like thanksgiving) I’d be fine with it. But the hyper commercialism and the focus on everything but THE MESSIAH makes it very sus for me.
I think people even celebrate with noble intentions. I just don’t care for what Christmas is and don’t have interest in trying to redeem it.
The problem with celebrating December 25th is it is the birthday of Tammuz, sun god son of Nimrod and his queen (can't recall her name atm), aka as Isis and Osiris. There is no way the Council of Nicaea in around 325AD didn't know that. They would also have known that Jesus couldn't have been born at that time, as the shepherds were still in the fields. There is absolutely zero connection of December 25th with Christ's birthday. If they had to set a date, why choose one that couldn't possibly have been the right time of year? Because they were trying to line it up with the pagan festivities, that's why. Nowhere in the Bible is Christ's birthday celebrated, apart from his birth. It isn't mentioned again, so He obviously didn't celebrate it. If God had intended for us to celebrate it, He would have made sure we knew. There are two possibilities for the correct month of Christ's birth, one is in the Spring, March, or April, and the other September. It was wickedness to select the exact same date as Tammuz. And the other thing is the origins of the baubles people hang on their trees; they were originally the castrated testicles of the men whom were forbidden to procreate, but their 'baubles' were hung on a tree as a fertility ritual for Nimrod and his queen. I used to love Christmas, and all the trappings, until I discovered all of this. And no, I am not in any way part of the Torah Roots movement, I don't accept that at all. If fellow Christians feel the need to celebrate Jesus's birth, pick a day in either the spring, or September, and not the birthday of Tammuz.
Hi, Melanie. I've recently learned that on the same day I was born, March 18th, thirty-nine Knights Templar were falsely accused of sodomy, blasphemy, and heresy and burned at the stake in Paris in the year 1314. And because I am opposed to the public execution of innocent people and don't think those events should be celebrated by my friends and family, I am hereby canceling the celebration of my own birthday.
:-)
RLS
Interesting... The main thing I have 'against' Christmas is a lot believers don't do or even teach or even know about the Holy days and sometimes even fight against it as if observing them as if it's wrong to do. When in actuality the Bible said we should observe forever. Then for Christmas and other holidays they hold that higher than (defend the celebration of more) the Holy days mentioned in the Bible. It just seems backwards and doesn't make sense to me.
The gentiles were never instructed to follow Jewish feast days. ✝️🙏🏼💟
@@ShroudedinLove so do you believe Jews and other gentiles are permitted to follow, obey, show their of Jesus and the Father differently? Or there's different stipulations for each on how they show their love?
@CL2371 There are no laws or stipulations when it comes to love. What we do to show our Love comes from the heart, not from obedience or rules.
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@@ShroudedinLove John 14:15. Okay so if love comes from the heart and not any kind of obedience. Is all we have to do is love?
@@CL2371 Romans 3: 4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
I don’t work to receive the love of God, He loved us first, i just am thankful for that.
Very informative video as always. It's almost like clockwork around this time you get the cringe videos on tik tok from atheists, so called Torah Observant advocates etc about the Christmas is pagan thing eventhough its been debunked long ago.
Can you provide scripture for when Christ was born? And scripture on the disciples or anyone else celebrating His birth?
@@lionbehavior9841 The When Jesus was born is irrelevant. That fact that he was born and the fact that it was told in both the Book of Matthew and Luke is what is important.
The whole where is it in the scripture where people celebrate the birth of the Messiah is an irrelevant question too.
It's like asking where in the bible that people celebrated The 4th of July is Celebrated or Thanksgiving, Purim, Hanukkah etc.
Your premise is faulty overall.
@@lionbehavior9841 Knowing your kind, you would incorrectly use Jeremiah 10 as a proof text against having Christmas tree, which Had nothing to do with the verse.
@@joshuamelton9148 So no scripture? Here's my retort: I believe in God and will follow the word of God which is true. The Bible says obey God not man, Christmas was made up by man.
Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
That is simple to understand, if God didn't set apart Christmas as a holy day, then I will never treat it as a holy day because someone way back when said so.
@@lionbehavior9841 Purim and Hanukkah was also a holiday that was made up by man and yet Jesus celebrated Jewish man made holidays so what you said is once again is irrelevant.
At 2:07... So Jesus is the Father?
If he is infinite God, how does he die? For if he is an infinite God, he should not be able to die. And if he is in the form of a human, he still doesn't die but transforms. back into the form he has always been.
Also, at 4:54, John 10 doesn't say Jesus observed the Hanukkah festival. Jesus was in Jerusalem, but he was also in Jerusalem many other days. People assume he was celebrating the holiday, but again, Jesus being in the temple was not necessarily because of the festival.
Also...Purim is another Jewish man-made holiday that is accepted.
But Jesus was not born on the 25th of December.
Probably not. The Bible doesn't tell us what day He was born.
RL
When you start saying: honestly, I also say honestly...Christmas is not in the bible. What you are doing is "Christianizing" the event of the true birth of Jesus into the so called Christmas. You are wrong the word "Christmas" is not in the bible. When you studying deep
about history you find enough truth, that much of the symbolism and traditional celebration is a lot of paganism. If you mention
old testament principles in your teaching, then you can't deny that in Jeremiah 10 God warns of idols. A lot of people say it's legalism if something what is mentioned in OT, but the new testament mentioned the OT as a schoolmaster, and the OT is full
of prophecies about Jesus Christ, for example Isaiah 53.
When I became born-again and baptized with the Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit gave me enough warnings and guidance how to live.
I like much the behavior of first Christians, for example Acts 19 V 19 : ALSO, MANY OF THOSE WHO HAD PRACTICED MAGIC
BROUGHT THEIR BOOKS TOGETHER AND BURNED THEM IN THE SIGHT OF ALL.
These new believers were set of serious pagan tradition and demons, they cut off their connections which held them in bondage.
Here it is the opposite of, here it will be motivated to ignore the part of pagan tradition, but still holding on the symbols of pagan.
For what I write in here I am accountable for what I say and you are accountable for your teaching.
By the way I am not in Jehovah Witness or other religions denomination. I live according to the new covenant and the principles
of Jesus Christ's teaching. Everyone giving you thumbs up are glad you motivate their desires.
God said to not worship him “the way that the pagans do.” I loved Christmas till I saw that I was celebrating the same way the pagans celebrate.
“Do not worship the Lord your God in the way these pagan peoples worship their gods.” Duet 12:4
When I saw that I put up the same tree in worship to my God as the atheist neighbor, I was like “wow what am I doing?”
He does not want all that stuff he wants our hearts. When I am doing the same thing as the pagans as an act of worship to God, is that ok?
I mean I am literally celebrating on the exact same day with the exact same traditions except I might throw in a visit to church. I just found it to be so empty. The feast days we eat like the pagans. But none of the pagans are celebrating it -not the way that I am. We are not putting up huge trees but we do gather together with other believers. Not coworkers that could care less about Jesus. I don’t know that Jesus wanted to be celebrated that way and I don’t know how to separate from that. And so many see there is nothing wrong with it. Christmas in itself is fine as long as you remove the worship of God in it. He doesn’t want to be worshipped the way the pagans worship.
Before I got saved Christmas was largely about commercialism and what I might receive.
After I got saved, it became much more meaningful for me.
For the first time my focus went truly outward. How I could bless others. The Messiah focused songs became important and some of the lyrics finally made sense that can only be understood by a born again believer.
I am with you, Deej. If anyone is putting up a tree in worship of God, that's disgusting! But I don't know of any Christians who do that. The tree is just a decoration, it's not an object of worship. What we set our hearts and minds on is what we worship.
RLS
Christmas is NOT fine by any metric. It is idolatry, plain and simple.
@@TheBiblicalRoots I found it to be very much an act of worship. Why else am I taking the time and trouble to put it up? It was in honor of the King. I was laying my gifts beneath it for my children in honor of the king. Why else would I be doing it? Decorating for a holiday devoted to YHWH is an act of worship. Just my opinion though.
When I celebrate Sukkot and I take the time and trouble to order and etrog and lulav, it’s an act of worship. The difference is my atheist neighbor is not also celebrating this holiday and building sukkah’s. Why? Because it holds no value to them. Peace and love brother! Agree to disagree respectfully. ♥️
My wife and I were raised in a Torah Hebrew roots church from ages 15 up until now 25. God separated me from this church and finally got through to me.
I Really appreciate this study, as a former Torah observer or Hebrews roots member. One of the things I noticed taken out of context was most of the new covenant. God separated me and my wife from our former church of 9 years and immediately after he told me and my wife to learn of him from the new covenant and not the old. Both are very beautiful and very knowledgeable and the Torah is perfect, but it could never bring perfection. I also agree most of what I’m reading in the new covenant Paul is speaking mainly about the Jewish sabbaths, holidays, and traditions of the Old Testament. Especially in versus like .
“If, then, you died with Messiah from the elementary matters of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to dogmas: “Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle” - which are all to perish with use - according to the commands and teachings of men?”
Qolasim (Colossians) 2:20-22 TS2009
Which this is taught in the Torah.
Messiah himself said
““There is no matter that enters a man from outside which is able to defile him, but it is what comes out of him that defiles the man.”
Marqos (Mark) 7:15 TS2009
A lot of Hebrew roots would argue about eating unclean meats… and fail to realize that there is no more unclean anything. Pertaining to things outside the body that don’t come from the heart.
A lot of what I learned growing up in a Hebrews roots setting from ages of 15 to now 25. Iv learned that a lot of it requires taking so much of the new covenant out of context…
One of the biggest things I noticed about the new covenant is how straight forward and concrete it is about not going under the old law.
“For in Messiah יהושע neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any strength, but belief working through love. You were running well, who held you back from obeying the truth? That persuasion does not come from Him who calls you. A little leaven leavens all the lump. I trust in you, in the Master, that you shall have no other mind. And he who is troubling you shall bear his judgment, whoever he is.”
Galatiyim (Galatians) 5:6-10 TS2009
I don’t even believe that Yeshua will lead any believer back to the old law in a sense of justification and I believe this because of the scripture speaking so heavily against it.
“Say to me, you who wish to be under Torah, do you not hear the Torah?”
Galatiyim (Galatians) 4:21 TS2009
Everyday we rest in Jesus and every day we worship Him. The Christmas day is a good day to share Jesus with gathering but I do believe to only decorate and sing songs that are pleasing to God. There is so much in christmas that isn't pleasing to Him.
The 7th day adventists across from me celebrate Christmas.
@@scented-leafpelargonium3366 I know of Christians that celebrate passover.
It's most important to understand and live by spiritual passover as this is the teaching of the works, Many need to the works of flesh to hopefully see the meaning of it in spirit.
That is good you have found something that brings you peace. True Peace is gifted 24/7, because of his Grace that we believe.
You do want to be comfortable and at peace if at a Christmas dinner as its about the people and opportunity to share the good news which doesn't have to be by words, if Spirit filled, that can seen more clearly.
Exactly. Every day is the Lords day.
Thank you for the great and excellent response to an ignorant like me. You almost covered all the arguments of anti christmas claims.
I still have mixed feelings about this topic. There is plenty of evidence that the dates and practices of Christmas have pagan roots, which makes me question things. I appreciate your perspective though. Johnathan Cahn has a good video on the actual date of Jesus' birth. March 20th, 6 BC. He verifies with scripture and Talmud. I hope you dialog with Lex Meyer over this someday.
Interesting, you celebrate the birth of Christ even though he said "Before Abraham was, I AM"
This he mentions he existed way before his own birth, way before the earth was made!
So I will not celebrate his Birthday but everyday for all eternity.
That's a great point!!!!!
If Christmas or Jesus Birth was meant to be celbrated, then why was it not celebrated for Jesus in any of the NT
I'd say the angels celebrated it! (Luke 2:13-14). So its entirely appropriate for us to do the same. No one is _required_ to do so of course. But in my opinion, how could we not celebrate the incarnation of God who became flesh and dwelled among us (John 1:14)?
Blessings, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots - YES! Not enough people silence the argument with that right there - the angels themselves celebrated - and they made a rather big deal about it. Heaven literally broke out on the Earth that night!
@@scented-leafpelargonium3366that's a GREAT point.
@@TheBiblicalRoots the angels celebrated Jesus' birth, they definitely did not celebrate the Roman Catholic Christ's Mass as we know today because that came centuries later.
Not once in the Bible is Jesus’ birthday mentioned, not by any of the OT prophets, not by any prophet who foretold His arrival. His birthday is not revealed (did they even know it?) by anyone in the NT, not by His mother, whose only words recorded were at the wedding, not by Christ Himself. No one in the New Testament celebrated His birthday. The apostles did not, the church did not from its founding up until 400 years later.
One can reason that if God wanted us to celebrate Christ’s birthday, He would have revealed the very hour of the day, the details of His birth, given us a command to celebrate, and instructions on how to celebrate, the latter which He did for all biblical holy days or feast days as indicated in the Bible. This renders Christmas merely a tradition of men, of which the church is commanded to steer clear-Mathew 15:9, Mark 7:13, 2 Thessalonians 2:15
Further, God detests even a hint at paganism (Deuteronomy 7:25, 2 Corinthians 6:6-17), and Israel suffered terribly, suffered God's wrath for engaging in anything to do with it. He warned us not to even touch an unclean idol or its covering. It is now common knowledge that Christmas has pagan origins, and includes pagan rituals and pagan symbols.
The entire world celebrates Christmas. Dubai displayed the most expensive Christmas tree of all time, and trees are proudly and festively displayed in secular, communist, and non-Christian nations in rebellion to God: Japan, China, the Middle East.
Christmas is largely associated with the following:
Department stores overrun with parents fighting one another over some toy or other gift in short supply
Drunken parties, including office parties
Seemingly innocent cartoons that steer children away from God (As Satan is an angel of light).
Movies such as Bad Santa, Jingle All the Way, and Silent Night, Bloody Night are not approved by or overlooked by the God of the Bible. Why no movies like Pajama Party Passover? Or One Kinky Communion? Because Christmas is of the world, and genuine holy days or rituals, commanded to be observed by God, are not.
The holiday itself teaches greed, hedonism and selfishness to children, as the behavior that feeds these can be seen everywhere at Christmas. We are inundated with it. Poor families and children who suffer daily for want are often only considered by the population at large at Christmas. Further, their lacking is magnified on this day, so that they even view themselves as worse off at Christmas than the days before or after.
All of this and more define Christmas, and with sincere consideration how can there be any doubt that God not only disapproves, but that He finds these things to be abominable.
For those who would argue that they make the holiday all about Jesus, this must be considered:
The few who do are swallowed up by those who don’t. Even were this not so, the negative associations of Christmas remain in overwhelming abundance and stain the very fabric of the Bride of Christ. Trees and other pagan symbols and secular music are still included in their worship. Songs like All I want for Christmas is You, Blue Christmas, and Grandma Got Run Over By a Reindeer, to name only a few, have nothing to do with Christ Jesus.
Bottom line, there is truly a reason for the season, and it has nothing whatsoever to do with the birth of our Lord, Jesus Christ. If He wanted us to observe, there no doubt that He would have told us so.
2 Corinthians 11:13-15
For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds
1 John 2:15-17
Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world-the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life-is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing
away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever
Colossians 2:8-10 ESV
See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority
2 Thessalonians 2:14-15
To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.
1 Corinthians 11:1-2
Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ. Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you
Revelation 22:18-19
I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
I agree that the holiday is too commercialized. Since no one knows the exact date of Yeshua's birth, how do we celebrate it on December 25th? The Roman Catholic Church probably had invented the date to celebrate the birth of Christ instead of celebrating a pagan festival around that time. I read an interesting article about a theory on Yeshua's actual time of his birth. The article states that Yeshua was conceived around December and was born nine month's later in the month of September during a Jewish festival of Tabernacles. I will go with that theory since I feel it's more biblical.
Celebrating Christmas at the time of the Fall equinox is pagan. All you are really doing is celebrating all the various pagan fall equinox festivities and their pagan gods if you do it at that time. Pagan.
Oh for goodness sake. For those of you objecting to celebrating Christmas: Who cares when the actual date of Jesus's birth was? We could pick any arbitrary date for a party. The point of the exercise is to celebrate the birth of our Saviour, no matter when it was. To argue about the date is a distraction. And who cares what unbelievers do with it? They're not worshipping anything--they're just using the day as any other holiday. The world spoils everything it touches. It's our role to declare the truth--if we can do that by truly celebrating the birth of Jesus, isn't that a good thing? We are salt, and we can "season the season" by using it to witness to a broken world. If you don't want to, don't. But leave the rest of us alone.
Well said, Laurie!
Blessings, Rob
According to Mr Solberg, we should not celebrate the days that the Creator actually gave us, but we should celebrate the days that Rome gave us
Hi, Vern! If the birth of Jesus caused the angels to break out in praise (Luke 2:13-14), I’d say its entirely appropriate for us to do the same! No one is _required_ to do so of course. But in my opinion, how could we not celebrate the incarnation of God who became flesh and dwelled among us (John 1:14)? And if Jesus felt comfortable commemorating a God-honoring holiday not given in the Bible (John 10:22-23), that means it’s okay for us to do the same.
Blessings, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots
Honoring the birth of Jesus was already given in Leviticus 23.
The same holidays you argue against.
Recognizing his birth is not the issue, recognizing his first in contradiction to what God has already commanded is the problem.
"recognizing his birth"..not first
@@TheBiblicalRoots I couldn't help but notice that you used the words "i'd say", like it somehow gives you the authority to decide what is or isn't appropriate. You're not God. It say a lot about "Christianity" that its adherents can see what happened to Adam and Eve and the Jews when they elevated their human reasoning above God's commands, and they STILL make the same choices they did.
💯 exactly
Should CHRISTIANS Celebrate CHRISTMAS?
YES!!!
Just as we celebrate Christ`s resurrection! It is a time set aside to remember what the Lord as gifted us through His Son, Jesus Christ, without Whom there would be no rebirth or eternal life.
Stay joyful, my friends!
@bob94280 at least you celebrate Christ's resurrection. but here is much proof, that in Christmas is much paganism mixed in. Question: where do you see Santa Claus or any of the fairy tales in the bible. It is called christianizing paganism.
First Christians in Acts 19 V 19 had different behavior. When they became believers they burned their magics and books.
The hyper grace movement in Christianity mixes much of paganism and tradition in.
I am born again and outside of denominational churches, being born-again and baptized with the Holy Spirit,
The joy in the Lord is my strength. All glory to the King of Kings, Jesus!
Christmas ain't Holy!
Excellent video
I can't understand the mentality of not celebrating the things that remind us of the things of God. And, I always say that the pagans, and the devil, doesn't own these days, or the things they use for evil. We are free to use days and things to celebrate the things of God. As far as I can tell, prohibition of celebrating Jesus' birth is just as bad as requiring the celebration of Jesus' birth. It is neither required nor prohibited. But, whatever we do, it should be to the glory of God. If you can't glorify God on Christmas, stay in bed.
"Whatever we do, it should be to the glory of God." Amen, GraftMe!
Blessings, Rob
@TheBiblicalRoots What a silly, immature response. Whilst I in no way wish to detract from all human life matters, I am quite sure we can all live with knowing there may be undesirable clashes with any single birthdate, so in that respect yours is not of any significance. The birthday celebration of our Christ Jesus however, is a completely different matter. The point I made was that the Council of Nicaea were aware of the date they selected, but they selected it all the same. If you can't see the significance of that, but choose to make juvenile analogies instead, you are showing yourself up.
It's a shame you despise the feasts of the Lord and embrace Christmas
I wasn't even a Christian yet when I realised that Christmas had nothing to do with the birth of Jesus, and stopped celebrating it as such. Now, it is funny that people who say "we shouldn't celebrate the biblical feast days God commanded because the Bible says that we shouldn't judge people for keeping or not keeping days, and we are no longer under the law because Jesus is the fulfilment of the law." These sane people defend the keeping of Christmas? Which ACTUALLY has pagan roots? Isn't this discarding the commandments of God for the traditions of men? Personally, I will NOT keep this holiday. BUT I find NO problem with worshipping Yeshua, my Saviour, at any time. I DO keep the so called Jewish holidays, because they refer to things God ACTUALLY wanted us to remember - both in the old covenant AND in the new covenant fulfilment! And you condemn that view? Why not just return to full Catholicism then? Go share in her abominations and traditions of men. I'm sorry, I cannot agree with you on this.
Imagine observing the shadow, and not the substance...insane!
@@billyhw5492 You'll have to explain what you mean by that, because there are a few ways to interpret what you are saying. For instance (and these are only two possibilities):
A. You could mean that the Old Testament law and feasts are the shadow. - in that case, I'd say that God gave these "shadows" to point to the presence of the substance. I don't observe laws or feasts to gain righteousness, but because they cast a great outline in their shadow by which the substance can be better understood. After all, Yeshua (the living Word) does not at the moment walk with us bodily, but the Spirit does cast the light by which we can interpret the shadow of the scripture. Also, even Yeshua was said to be the exact "representation", the reflection of father Yahwe bodily in the flesh. Father (Abba) is the substance and the glory. And yes, I know you are going to point to the grace by faith and not by works as the substance, but show me your faith without works, and I'll show you my faith by my works. Faith is a catalyst towards works, don't you understand that faith without works is dead?
B. You could mean that Christmas is a shadow while the biblical feasts are the substance. Well, I don't blame those who keep this feast on the grounds of remembering that God became flesh and lived among us; but it really isn't even a shadow of anything. It is a made up holiday, on the wrong date, with a plethora of practices that didn't originate on biblical grounds and were bent and twisted to fit. At the very best, the meanings attached, by those who ARE well meaning, are object lessons - like parables and Sunday school classes, and only loosely related to the biblical message. I don't find such compelling as evidence for anything. I won't say that these people will not go to heaven, just as I won't say that people who get tattoos or smoke won't go to heaven. But, if this is the extent of their belief and understanding and worship of God, they are on shaky ground. And do understand that many go to church once a year, on Christmas, and they do not understand that singing of Christmas carols and hymns are not worship, but that worship is a sacrifice of your life, dedicated to a living God in relationship - THAT is the substance.
Lastly, I would say that keeping a few laws are the easy part. Doing what Yeshua requires, obeying him and living in love all the time, to God and your neighbour (including those who hate you and despitefully use you), THAT is the difficult part, and what is most often neglected. The straight and narrow path is not followed by many, and we ALL stray from it. But those persisting wilfully on the wide path should not think that this leads to anything but ruin.
@@deniss2 Well put.
WHEN ANTILAWS REJECT THE FEASTS OF GOD YEHOVAH THEY REINVENT FORBIDDEN IDOLATROUS FEASTS
Deuteronomy 12:28-32 ASV
Observe and hear all these words which I command thee, that it may go well with thee, and with thy children after thee for ever, when thou doest that which is good and right in the eyes of Jehovah thy God. [29] When Jehovah thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest in to dispossess them, and thou dispossessest them, and dwellest in their land; [30] take heed to thyself that thou be not ensnared to follow them, after that they are destroyed from before thee; and that thou inquire not after their gods, saying, How do these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. [31] Thou shalt not do so unto Jehovah thy God: for every abomination to Jehovah, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters do they burn in the fire to their gods. [32] What thing soever I command you, that shall ye observe to do: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
So, the Channukah conception of the Light literally come into the world and the birth 9 months later at Sukoth with the brith milah on Sh'mini Atzeret means nothing to you? Also, Yeshua being born 3 months later after the birth of Yochanan in the spring has been lost to you? What about the understanding of Z'chariah serving in the Temple in the order of Aviyah (Luke 1:5) so that he could fulfill the literally once in a lifetime as drawn by lots (because once drawn the name was pulled) burning of incense in the late winter as was his scheduled order? You do know that this burning of incense was what the sons of A-haron were killed for doing because they were not commanded to and their names were not drawn?
There was nothing about the Asherah Pole or that there was no reason by which sheep would have been brought out in the winter where there was no grass growing. Please get out of the Baptist mindset of Eisegesis [ (/ˌaɪsɪˈdʒiːsɪs/) is the process of interpreting text in such a way as to introduce one's own presuppositions, agendas or biases. It is commonly referred to as reading into the text.]. There is a difference between Pagan (Pah-gahn) being a worker of the earth, and a heathen with no religiosity or being apostates to faiths. However, having a hay-trough for the feeding of animals set up in a Sukah where there were also things to eat and places to sit as travelers came into town on the Third Chagh commanded in Torah makes total sense and is indeed what happened.
Please get to know your Jewish Mashiach and get out of the Contemporary mindset which has no knowledge (and by extension no light) of the timeline of the Eternal Existent One which He also used to the fullest extent to show us what He was doing. Also, your "roots" understanding on both Heathen and Jewish issues seems seriously lacking, or at best severely biased.
Mithras birth of sun God - December 25. Real history, not speculation.
Roman-Pagan intrusion of the faith.
Thanks, Jason! Here's another historical fact: Mithra has no theological or religious connection to the Feast of the Nativity.
Blessings, RLS
Well. I wrote a paragraph in response.. then stopped.
Historically I cannot agree. If the day was scientifically found when Messiah was born, would we change?
@@jasonwhite646it's clear that the reason for this video is to proclaim his own reasoning for celebrating. In reading his comments to people I'm feeling a very "off" vibe of his character.
I find it strange the more I survey the Lord's church, how far they have delved into traditions of men.. even the Gentiles. We read Christ's words in the gospels to Judeans but Gentiles do the same thing. Adding to God's words and commands.
What is more important is not all this debate, but to do the will of the Father. Love justice and show mercy. Stidy not the Law and you will go onto debt and be a slave. Traditions of men come before that most of the time. Spend $80 bucks on a tree and nothing to the poor. Traditions of men rule 'Christian' hearts not Christ. God will not be mocked.
@@jasonwhite646 👏👏👏👏👍
I didn't hear any biblical backing except that it's Jesus' birthday. Then you admitted that He probably wasn't born around that time. You mentioned confiscating things to worship God. That's exactly what these guys did.
Exodus 32:3-5
[3]And all the people brake off the golden earrings which were in their ears, and brought them unto Aaron.
[4]And he received them at their hand, and fashioned it with a graving tool, after he had made it a molten calf: and they said, These be thy gods, O Israel, which brought thee up out of the land of Egypt.
[5]And when Aaron saw it, he built an altar before it; and Aaron made proclamation, and said, To morrow is a feast to the LORD.
Lord in all caps is the tetragrammaton. These guys made a calf to worship Yahweh.
Deuteronomy 12:29-32
[29]When the LORD thy God shall cut off the nations from before thee, whither thou goest to possess them, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their land;
[30]Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise.
[31]Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods; for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to their gods.
[32]What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: thou shalt not add thereto, nor diminish from it.
You talked about the practices done on Christmas, but then made it sound like they are common practices. How many other days of the year do you put up a tree in your living room and deck it with gold and silver? How often do you get in groups and go singing outside random houses in your neighborhood?
Jeremiah 10:1-8
[1]Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
[2]Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
[3]For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
[4]They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
[5]They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.
[6]Forasmuch as there is none like unto thee, O LORD; thou art great, and thy name is great in might.
[7]Who would not fear thee, O King of nations? for to thee doth it appertain: forasmuch as among all the wise men of the nations, and in all their kingdoms, there is none like unto thee.
[8]But they are altogether brutish and foolish: the stock is a doctrine of vanities.
We ignore the things of God, and cling to our own ways. Why would we not just do what He said? Do we worship Him with our lips while our hearts are far from Him?
Ezra 10:9-11, Jeremias 36:22, Luke 1:26
Hebrew Calendar or Jewish Calendar
Chislev - a month known for cold and rainy weather
Sept. 25, -5 (Tishri 15, 3756)
March 25, -4/Nisan 19, 3756)
TEVETH 27, 3757.
(Dec 25-Jan 6) Western and Eastern Tradition
Blind leading the blind
Why did G_d and Moses get angry at the Israelites for making a dedicated statue? Same concept as Christmas. Moreover - If you were going to pick a day to celebrate Christ's birth why stay with Saturnalia the pagan holiday. Why not in the actual season of his birth (Autumn)?
If you rely on CZcams to teach you, you will inherit lies and more lies. "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth."
I have to respectfully disagree, Andre. Commemorating the incarnation of God who became flesh and dwelled among us (John 1:14) is nothing like when the Israelites made for themselves a golden calf and worshiped it and sacrificed to it and said "These are your gods, O Israel." Its not even close.
RLS
@@TheBiblicalRootsrespectfully and peacefully that is the exact passage that the LORD showed me to make me not want to celebrate Christmas anymore.
“And he received the gold from their hand and fashioned it with a graving tool and made a golden calf. And they said, “These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt!” When Aaron saw this, he built an altar before it. And Aaron made a proclamation and said, “Tomorrow shall be a feast to the Lord.””
Exodus 32:4-5 ESV
If you read that passage closely you see it says in verse 5 that they were throwing a feast for YHWH. That is what LORD is translated there to be. They did not think they were worshipping other gods…. That golden calf represented YHWH. They lost Moses up the mountain and probably thought he wasn’t coming back and got nervous so they went back to the ways of Egypt and made a calf that they thought would be YHWH and lead them in place of Moses. They made an image of God in this calf. This is what we do with Christmas. We worship God on the same day as the world around us doing the exact same things they do. I think that’s gross to Him. Honestly let’s lump our savior in with all that! I have no trouble celebrating the birth of Christ but I’m not doing it on the same day or the same way as the world does it. Or it’s golden calf city! With love and respect sir ❤
when people bow down, and place their gifts under the (wooden) tree, that they have decorated - where do you think that originates? see Jeremiah 10:3-4
Paul's understanding of this subject is quite clear. "Do not inquire" what all behavior a pagan has done or is doing. It's irrelevant unless the behavior itself is sin. Jeremiah 10 is about fashioning an idol to worship and bow down to, a transgression of the 2nd commandment. But in no way is Jeremiah declaring that it is now sin to decorate with a tree. He would be contradicting the Most High if that were so.
Scripture is clear that man has and does institute celebrations and they are honorable, i.e.: Purim, Hanukah. The earliest followers simply added another one in the same manner and with innocent intent to remember an incredible event frot with miracle after miracle. Would Isaiah have celebrated hundreds of years later what he prophesied? You bet! Would Haggai celebrate what he declared would happen? Of course. Were the angels directed from the Throne Room to celebrate? Absolutely.....and they said "we bring you good tidings of GREAT JOY THAT WILL BE TO ALL, for unto you is BORN this day in the city of @hanscholo a Savior which is Christ the LORD".......definitely THE most important reason to celebrate!🤦♂🤦♂
Why not just celebrate the time when Jesus was actually boin? The time that jesus actually died instead of forcing it on the christmas quote quote holiday to celebrate jesus Jesus birth
Celebrated around the time that he was actually born and leave the winter holiday. The way it is, and not mingle it with the birth of Christ and the same thing with Easter leave Easter by itself and celebrate the death. Curling resurrection of Christ on another day for the death barrel and resurrection at. Not mingle it with Easter. It seems like all of these holidays that we quote quote celebrate christ is Does not make sense yet. We don't wanna honor any of the holidays or celebrations that God wanted his people to honor what it's the reason that we don't want to honor any of the holidays that or celebrations that God is still in its people. But we will go all out for the holidays that we think are correct and God says celebrate me worship me. Praise me in the way that I want to be worshipped in praise, you can't just praise me and glorify me in any way. This doesn't make sense. The way this Christian. The concept of Easter and Christmas come up came about. It's just an excuse to slap a label of Christian or Christ on something to make. Cultural celebrations still relevant to god
You are so correct!
Jesus owns all days and creation. All things are subject under his feet. (1 Corinthians 15:25) All the Anti-Christmas arguments are invalid.
Big thumbs up. I really enjoy Christmas. $5 permit in Oregon and thy can cut a Christmas tree on Bureau of Land Management land. Hot chocolate, s’mores, snow boots. Blue Spruce is my favorite tree.
@@rayray4192 celebrating Christmas is a way to remind us that Jesus reigns over all creation and days. Denying Christmas means people still do not accept that all thing are subject under Jesus' feet (1 Corinthians 15:25).
@@stephencastro4723 I like the way you put it. “ Subject under his feet.”
@@stephencastro4723 My best friend growing up played third base and I played second base. He invited me to Christian Youth group. His parents had a Christmas 🎄 and a baby Jesus manger.
Invalid, weak, pointless, and Pharisaical arguments. Late night talk show comedians make fun of Jesus. Christians honor Jesus and call to mind his miraculous birth. Only a Pharisee has a problem with Christmas.
A few reasons why I quit Christmass about 40 years ago and haven't regretted it for a moment. There is little to nothing worth being cslled Christian in that holiday.
The Feasts of the Lord or the Moedim are the Biblical God's appointed TIME. Passover, Pentecost, Tabernacles. Christ-Mass is NOT included. Christ-Mass just ain't in it vatican homie!
Ah yes worship the golden Cath
The Golden Cath? Do you mean the Golden Catheter? ;-)
If anyone is worshiping a golden calf during the Christmas season, Kozmo, they are doing it wrong! This entire season is about worshiping Jesus.
Blessings Rob
A flaw in Rob's argument is that he assumes the Roman Catholicism is Christian when it is such a mixup with pagan symbols and practices. I cannot celebrate "Christ's Mass" because as you pointed out that some pagan pope thought it would be a good idea and he wasn't even Christian.
Hello, Theuns! I make no defense of Roman Catholicism. FYI Did you know that when Solomon built the first temple, he used materials and labor from the pagan nations around him? (1 Kings 5) Why would God allow such a thing? Well, it’s because, as Psalm 24:1 tells us, “The earth is the Lord's and everything in it.” God owns everything, and “pagan” things have no power of their own. Anything can be commandeered and used to bring glory to God. So although Solomon’s temple was built with the beautiful cedar wood of Lebanon, and with the help of laborers and craftsmen from Tyre and Sidon, its purpose was to worship Yahweh, the God of Israel. And likewise, while trees may be worshiped by pagans, Christians merely use them as a decoration in their celebration of the God of Israel coming to earth as a human being and walking among us.
Blessings,
Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots sorry Rob but Solomon's temple and the use of pagan materials and labor is probably the weakest argument I've heard. It's like saying Paul used the roads Romans built to spread the gospel. To modify pagan practices and mix it into our worship is something totally different. I'm not in any of the groups you mentioned in this video(or any denomination for that matter). We even feel uncomfortable with birthdays, anniversaries and other events you mentioned. All of them have the same problem, to make one day a year special when everyday should be. I grew up in the Dutch Reformed Church where these "days" were very important and everyone had their Sundays best and were Christian on Sundays and "holy" days only, much the same as today.
@@TheunsVisser Hi Theuns. Your analogy doesn't really work. Paul may have traveled on Roman roads to spread the Gospel, but they were not used *as part of the Gospel.* Solomon, on the other hand, not only used pagan labor to build the temple, the pagan materials were used *as part of the temple.*
I believe we are free to choose not to celebrate the birth of Jesus or other people's birthdays if we don't want to. But as believers in Jesus we don't need to cower in fear that celebrating birthdays or anniversaries or other special events somehow lessens our devotion to God. On the contrary, taking the time to celebrate these special events as gifts from God shows our thankfulness to Him!
Blessings, Rob
@@TheBiblicalRoots surely Solomon did not use pagan priests. I love your teachings on Torahism and it has clarified and also confirmed a lot of issues, hence my subscription to your channel. Your teaching on the Christ's Mass issue though is particularly bad and very sad to say. Symbols matter and Jesus should not be associated with "Chrtianized" pagan rituals. So I can't wait that this silly season is over and you can return and teach on Torahism.
Good luck to you mate, whatever that's worth. Go the whole hog and claim halloween as well whilst you're at it.
This is probably one of the worst arguments against Christmas being pagan. This just reaffirmed more to me that Christmas is pagan. One thing you didn't acknowledge was Duet 12:4 where God said not to worship me like the pagans. Christmas predates Christianity and it's documented that the Catholic church knew it was worship to pagan gods when they made it a religious holiday (holy day). The Catholic church STOLE Christmas b/c it was a popular pagan celebration and they wanted to grow their membership and MONEY. They INTENTIONALLY acted out of defiance to God. And maybe God didn't give us the date of Jesus birth b/c it's insignificant so why are you celebrating it?
I don't agree with you on this. Christ is a man made festival. Birthdays are not celebrated because of christ. Jesus was not born on 25th December. Questions, did Jesus celebrate his birthday. Did the Christian in the first century celebrate the birth of Christ? There's no example of the Apostles of christ celebrating christ in the church.
Where in the bible is there Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday,..where are they found in ur bible
You can disagree all you want as long as you don't bother people who celebrate birthdays or Christmas.
Christmas is pagan if you are a pagan.
Your opinion is irrelevant.
So what?
The word says, and the word became flesh, and he tabernacle with us, is what the verse says, letting you know, that Yeshua was born in the feast of tabernacle, witch u neglect to keep... why dont you talk about that, why do you reject the true day of his birth for a lie? Tslk about that..
Mark 7: 7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said,
Moises said keep the feast of tabernacles not keep a world pegsn celebration.
There's a third reason I think Christians should not celebrate Christmas, which so few even talk about or understand. To celebrate the birth of Jesus "according to the flesh" is to be minded on the things of the flesh not the awakening in Spirit.
*"So that we from the now (the awakening of Christ from verse 15) not one perceive according to the flesh; even if we have come to know Christ according to the flesh, but now we know Him so NOT NO MORE" 2C5.16.*
Jesus Christ came into the flesh of His humanity to suffer persecution and a sacrificial death so we could live as deadening away with him and to be awakened in Spirit.
*J6.63 The Spirit is the One making alive; THE FLESH not, yea in not one thing, does it benefit; the talks, which I, yea I, have spoken to you, are spirit and life"*
*R8.6 for the mindedness of THE FLESH is death, but the mindedness of the spirit is life and peace"*
So next time you see a nativity scene, think about it....
I get what you're saying, RQ! However I think you're missing a huge point. Jesus explicitly commanded us to remember His flesh and his blood.
"And when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body, which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.” In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.” For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. (1 Cor. 11:24-26)
Blessings, Rob
Charles H. Spurgeon on Christmass
We have no superstitious regard for times and seasons. Certainly, we do not believe in the present ecclesiastical arrangement called Christmas: first, because we do not believe in the mass at all, but abhor it, whether it be said or sung in Latin or in English; and, secondly, because we find no Scriptural warrant whatever for observing any day as the birthday of the Saviour; and, consequently, its observance is a superstition, because not of divine authority. Superstition has fixed most positively the day of our Saviour's birth, although there is no possibility of discovering when it occured. Fabricius gives a catalogue of 136 different learned opinions upon the matter; and various divines invent weighty arguments for advocating a date in every month of the year.
It was not till the middle of the third century that any part of the church celebrated the nativity of our Lord, and it was not till very long after the Western church had set the example that the Eastern adopted it. Because the day is not known, therefore superstition has fixed it; while, since the death of our Saviour might be determined with much certainty, therefore superstition shifts the date of its observance every year.
Where is the method in the madness of the superstitious? Probably the fact is that the holy days were arranged to fit in with the heathen festivals. We venture to assert, that if there be any day in the year, of which we may be pretty sure that it was not the day on which the Saviour was born, it is the twenty-fifth of December.
From a sermon delivered on the Lord's Day morning, 24th December, 1871 at the Metropolitan Tabernacle, Newington, London