I tried coding on a Chromebook for 7 days
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- čas přidán 21. 03. 2022
- Using a Chromebook as my primary device for coding wasn't something I thought possible until I tried it. While the baseline chrome book is able to only run Chrome Based Applications, you can unlock a Developer Mode with a Linux Console Shell that let's you install everything from vscode to git and much more.
Since I have a computer, laptop and tablet for website development, I found coding and swapping devices sort of difficult especially with the fact that most environments require me to sync github in order to get back to coding my so important HTML, CSS and JS.
I have the chromebook a proper test over 7 days to test out different methods for programming, as people might be using it for many different applications. I would recommend this device for people looking to learn programming via freeCodeCamp or working on applications such as on React, Angular, Vue, etc.
If you're looking to do mobile application development such as on react native or flutter, this might not be the device for you
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Interesting video. Some of the issues you faced were due to a lack of knowledge rather than issues with ChromeOS itself. You didn't need to enable developer mode. To get VSCode running you only needed to enable linux and then download the correct version of VS Code and then right click to install from the downloads folder. Most of the other issues were really due to the ARM/Intel processors. This is an issue with Macs (M1) and Windows (Surface Pro X) as well. TBF, you did stick with it. Finally, you kind of limited yourself with a cheaper Chromebook. I use a Lenovo C13 16gb RAM for development every day and it handles everything (Python/Node) well.
Not an issue with M1 2022 anymore
anyway, linux is free if you dont value your time
@@noinghenah2764 I can say that this isn't 100% true for anyone reading the comment in present day. Still some quirks with some node packages, etc.
@@izurite depends on distro tho
@@izurite If you're writing programs, with the sole and only exception of Windows-only .NET applications, Linux is easier, faster, more intuitive, and quicker to pick up. For general users, I would tend to agree. For computer scientists, its the opposite. Linux goes as far as to act as your one-stop development environment. Not to mention the app support for Linux development is just... really really good. Linux does not only have all the apps you need, it often has the best-in-class apps. GCC, Apache, PHP, SSH, Git... these aren't just "good" features - these are the best.
If you're a web developer who sticks to Windows like its your life, you should probably wonder why you're bothering with Windows when your web app will be built entirely on Linux along with the rest of the Internet.
If you're the type who uses Visual C++, you should probably stop and contemplate why you're writing one of the worlds most portable languages on the least portable compiler and environment.
I'm not saying Windows sucks - but to say that Windows is "easier" for development is just straight up not true.
I appreciate that you didn't give up on the first hurdle. It's almost like instead of just deciding that the Chromebook wouldn't work for coding, you took time to learn how to use a Chromebook, and were able to get a lot done. Funny how that works.
You’ve basically summed up the programming experience! 👍🎉
A clear signal that you are a developer and a person that thrives on problem solving... ;)
Before I got a (high end) Chromebook I thought I'd only use it for school related stuff. But once I installed Linux and started using it for coding it's hard to go back to Windows.
Linux is Just very practical
Wait till you get a real job.
@@romangeneral23 I use Linux at my workplace daily.
I really agree with this. It's mainly games and a couple of music related software that has kept me with 1 windows machine. I ended up getting an M1 Macbook Air for $860 new a year ago and that's completely taken care of the music stuff. Games are still an issue since my desktop is in a single GPU ITX case, but it's a work in progress. I don't hate Windows or MacOS for that matter, but I generally have my best general purpose computing experience on Manjaro or Chrome OS. It's just the commercial software availability issue that complicates things. If all software was on all operating systems I'd probably live in Manjaro.
@@dbjungle Hey... Hola... Yeah avid Linux user here to report that you can dual-boot on a desktop machine Windows + Linux on either separate drives (1 per OS) or all in a singular drive, using GRUB and really simple disk partitioning. It's really nice because gaming, music, etc. can all be done on Windows, and then you can go to Linux and use WINE/Proton to run a lot of Windows applications on Linux + all the native Linux apps. On a side note, you can use WSL2 on Windows to run Linux alongside Windows, which isn't my preference, but I've seen it done and it looks like a pretty seamless integration. The only downside is Mac since Apple likes to be jerks.
I really appreciate the way that you mixed a vlog format with an explainer. A lot more engaging than a simple talking-head with stock videos. Thank you for putting in all the effort. 🙂
Happy to hear this format works!
I learned how to code with my chromebook while I was on my graduation. It was really easy to set up somethings, others took days... But in the final picture, was a unexpectedly great experience: I carried a chromebook with me for 5 years, from High School to University.
I used a Chromebook with 32GB of storage, 4GB RAM and an old Intel Pentium
Wow, I like your story. Makes me feel l shouldn't worry so much about specs. Already skeptical of wasting time looking for some ideal device, with desire I think most would be fine anyway
@@blu3_enjoy I'd look for more internal storage tho, because it's a problem now for me right now, but only because I use Linux and the applications need more space to work fine.
But one thing you need to know is if you need a program or something that only works on Windows.
For the rest is all about what you would like to do with you laptop
This is an amazing comment. Proves you don’t need to spend an arm and a leg to learn how to code
oi, andré. tô querendo codar no meu chromebook da acer, mesmo prestando atenção no vídeo, eu me perdi nas etapas, pode me dar umas dicas?
@dedse3 google pixelbook go i5 16gb ssd 128gb or google pixelbook eve i7 16 gb ssd 500 gb?
I definitely appreciate your effort to learn if a Chromebook can be used for coding. You sort of took the hard way though: Going in Developer Mode opens up potential security holes that aren’t there when Developer Mode isn’t enabled. And, as you learned, there’s really no need to use it: Chrome OS started offering the Linux container in 2018. I started using it in beta back then and it became available on the Stable Channel by the end of 2019. I’ve used it for undergrad and graduate CS classes in Java, Python, web/JS/React, etc this way. Your choice of device made this a little more difficult too though. While all new Chromebooks since 2020 support the Linux container, choosing an ARM-based Chromebook means you may not find all of the Linux apps and packages you need as there’s far more x86 support. And, you’re essentially coding on a device that uses a smartphone chip; not even a flagship one. My daily driver for work and coding is a Core i5 Chromebook with 16 GB of memory; I’ve never run into package support issues and performance is top notch. So I sort of disagree with the final sentiment that “if you need more to code, look at Windows or macOS”. There are Chromebooks just as performant as those with some costs lower and some higher, depending on the configuration. Again, I appreciate your learning experience here. Good luck with the Lenovo Duet 5 and your coding efforts!
I agree! I just began learning to code, know extreme basics and i definetely had an easier experience than him, although i have and i5
I stopped using Develeper Mode and Crouton when I got my Pixelbook Go. I just use a Manjaro container and it's able to meet about 90% of my computing needs.
Sorry to ask but how do you only have 1.34k subs with more than 3 mil. views on your channel. And also, how did you get the checkmark. Kust curious :)
Why even a Chromebook in the first place
linux on arm is totally fine. yes some apps dont work but most that you need for coding do except Eclipse which honestly is anchient. intellij, android studio and vscode all work on arm.
This was a very nice and professional video! I can see this channel going far!
Thanks!
All I could think of, "man, my back would kill after being in that posture for a prolonged period". But I guess that's the same for any laptop.
So true, I actually have a back strap that I often wear just to help me keep good positioning. Otherwise I fear my back will be crippled by the time I’m older
Interesting video! Just want to point out few things regarding linux:
1. Git is installed by default on almost every linux system.
2. You can use Ctrl+L to clear the terminal instead of pressing multiple Enter.
3. You could've easily installed compatible vscode directly from your terminal.
You could also use the clear command
Web, Godot, and Flutter development for me on ChromeOS has been fantastic the past two years. I highly recommend getting an Intel/AMD & 8GB Chromebook for dev work. Otherwise it will be a bit underpowered. Jetbrains IDEs and VSCode both work flawless with the beefier specs.
Thanks for the insight and agreed!
What chromebook did you used for development?
How's battery life with vscode and IDEs?
@@i_youtube_ w everything like Godot blender and vscode installed, I actually get about 6 to 8 hrs of battery on 86 health and on a 200 dollar chromebook, im saving up for a m2 mac air bc I'm actually turning 14 this may so I can get a job to actually get a nice laptop, im so excited I already submitted a job application
@@mistywhisp sorry you mean 6-8 hours when health was 86%?
Thank you for all the info , it was pretty insightful
I have the exact same (duet 5) in addition to a desktop. It's quite nice to have something portable, and with the linux environment you get most features (vscode, python, node, ts, git, ...). The battery life is stellar (like 15h+ for me) and the oled screen is also great! If you don't go for the lowest spec, there's also no really noticable hit in performance. I found that puppeteer doesn't work though.
This was a good video. I always love to see people learning how useful and usable Chromebooks are. I would recommend not putting your Chromebook into Developer Mode unless you absolutely need to. You can't go back and forth between without completely wiping your device. Personally I find the default Debian container to be too far behind. I would recommend making an Arch or Manjaro container and everything else is pretty smooth sailing from there. You can choose between x86 and ARM processesors at different power levels for different trade offs. The decisions have to be more deliberate compared to buying like an M1 Macbook Air, but Chromebooks are still quite versatile.
Unfortunately I don't know how to do that so till now I was sticking with the default debian container
@@Jan7727 Arch seems to have a wiki page on it now, but you can probably find a tutorial for it somewhere else as well.
I really want to be like you man. Thanks for the hard work and satisfying contents.
Thanks, my goal is always to both inspire people and making programming enjoyable
thankyouthankyouthankyou for this video! I've been trying to get a code editor installed on my chromebook for months now and I knew there was something I was missing/didn't understand. Thanks to you I have it up and running and can continue to study to be a developer one day.
Interesting Video Adrian! Keep up the great work
THanks I put a heap of effort into this one!
Getting a functional Usb-c hub is also a great way to extend the functionality of this type of chromebook. Allowing students to connect additional monitors, a proper keyboard and mouse and extra USB ports.
I really should of tried this!
for tablet/laptop convertibles, a sheet of .2" (5mm) foam from the craft store really helps in the lap. I keep one for that, with a stitched cord lip to catch the kickstand. as a passenger, a thin foam seatcushion (like thse taken to sporting events) works better still.
Dude you are now one of my favourite CZcams content creators, this video was refreshing
I'm glad you didn't have the issue I had first time installing vscode on a chromebook
You are working really hard !
Haha thanks yeah :)
While I'm not much of a coder, I've been using a Lenovo duet as a supplement to my main PC, it's great as a secondary device and it also great for media consumption because you can run android apps
What kind of programmer doesn't know about linux
Nice video.
I was just browsing for this a Chromebook for some programming task.. glad to learn few things here.
Thanks for sharing..
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I've used codeanywhere for development for the past 3 years and I love it SO much more than sublime text. I originally started using it because of my google pixelbook but now I use it on my windows machine also
Nice haven’t heard of that
Chromebook is actually a good device for Linux beginners(command line of course) too. Containered Linux instance, no need to worry about reinstalling if you fscked up. If you are familiar with Linux cli, you can run just everything Linux has (on a x86 one of course) without the need to install and setup Linux environment yourself.
not a Bad Idea. Chromebooks Are pretty powerful for manny things. Plus you can pick them up from about $100 and up.
Yeah true, there are even cheaper ones than this
Lol, I remember barely being able to load CZcams on mine
Hello, have you ever tried to install Ionic and develop with it? Does the installation work on your Chromebook? If so, can you briefly describe the solution of a successful installation?
I am watching your videos for the first time, and they are simple WOW !!! 😁👍
Thanks! 😃 I try to make each one with lots of value/effort
love your videos
Hey thanks! I worked hard on this one!
Needing to invest time to get everything to work how you want it to holds true for ANY OS, not just Chrome OS or Linux. For Windows you had already invested that. For many Windows users though, getting into the nitty-gritty of the Linux command line does present a steep learning curve. Kudos for not giving up.
This is eye opening. I’ve never considered chromebook as a viable option for anything tech related. I’ve always thought of it as a device for some light school work for my kids…I’ll take a closer look at it.
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Actually Intel based Chromebooks can run almost all linux based app
Where arm powered Chromebook can only run a few
i found out the hard way!
this exactly
Arm+linux is not really upto the mark yet
This surprises me. I have a Raspberry Pi 4 running 64 bit Raspberry Pi OS (Debian Bullseye based). I have yet to find a linux app that wasn't available for this 64-bit Arm based device.
I use my chromebook every day for programming. I have my own vscode server installed on a develop server. And I can use a browser to program, and I don't depent from software installed on my computer. And yes always need internet connection, but where you don't have connection today...
Yeah it’s a difficult device to use without constant internet
To answer your last question. Believe you’d be surprised.
I like this video.This is a amazing video.Keep it up man!
thanks alot for this and i really love the background beat
Awesome
My personal recommendation is an old ThinkPad.
A T430 with a processor, ram, and screen upgrade is going to run you about $500. There’s some optional upgrades like an SSD, and i sprung for the hard drive enclosure that slots into the disk drive and a second SSD to go in there. (Well, I found a ThinkPad that had the SSDs already, but that initial purchase was like $350, so probably still spent less than $600 on the entire project.)
You can run windows or Linux on it. Given the amount of tinkering this involved, you can guess I went with Linux. Fedora with Gnome ( a pretty heavy OS) runs like a dream.
I have a t440p and there are a few complaints, weight, battery and speakers. apart from those it is a perfect machine.
those 9 cell batteries are so big but fail to hold 4+ hours for me
I have a t500 that lost it's hard drive to a lightning strike. But it can still boot from a USB drive. It's not the best coding device, but it does great for fiction writing. I just back everything I write onto my phone through a USB cable.
Amazing how one manages to develop actual applications with so little knowledge of Linux, Git and computers in general.
i was thinking this the entire time
Abstraction
This is what I thought the entire time
Average web dev
I got through my CS education on a Chromebook in the period 2014-2017. It was a torture initially but eventually it helped me learn a whole lot about the Linux system and was overall a very positive experience. You learn to appreciate the little things when you have to choose between having either Chrome or Android Studio open
really glad i found this video as i am waiting for an SD card for my chromebook, then i'm going to be learning how to program.
You can buy a used windows laptop and install Chrome OS Flex on it and it can perform a lot better
it depends on the price, there are some chromebooks out there even cheaper that this, or even a second hand chromebook could be well, the most affordable device ever!
Even better, install arch.
There are other form factors and Chromebooks with more horsepower that can support web dev stacks. They won't be $400, but it'll still be relatively inexpensive. Glad you stuck it through it though. There are a few nuances as each OS has, but once you get through them and understand it's essentially Linux, you'll be OK.
This was so helpful - thank you so much.
Very nice video on chromebook also it might encourage me to even buy one for me in future till the time happy coding to all
I use a much older chromebook running Arch btw instead of Chrome OS, and it's absolutely possible.
arch, btw
I use the pixelbook go 16 GB for my master's comp sci program, and I would say it's even better than Windows since I don't need to deal with the frustrating path setting, which is a nightmare.
Don't you still need to set paths in your shell profile? Or do the installed defaults normally work perfectly?
@@dbjungle The latter, but I only installed few manually, I use the package manager (Apt) more often.
Had to code the Chromebook to Code on the Chromebook, this very cool. Love the video thank you for sharing
great work!! I have several chromebook, but I can't use it because of my lack of computing knowledge. Your video is really helpful.
No need to enable developer mode, you only need to turn on the secure Linux sandbox in settings
Well, In my opinion, if you want to get some really cheap coding laptop for around 100 bucks, you could get some old Thinkpad and just install some minimal Linux there. On my T420S Arch Linux + i3wm runs pretty neat.
I am a subscriber to your channel and what I can say is that every seconds worth of time spent watching your video is definitely worth it.
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That was a nice research.
I too have been attempting to get coding done on chromebooks sense the my first ARM based samsung device.
my advise is max the ram, it will help. a lot. Also with the inclusion of android apps and linux containers the only limit is the hardware.
personally i install the linux terminal and do my coding in VI, i know i know, and it works well for some projects but can get cramped.
now with linux you can install deb manually or install the front end of your choosing.
cannot wait for what tomorrow will bring, exciting times!
I've gotta try out VI at some stage!
I've installed ChromeOS on an (outdated) HP-Intel based Notebook, that has much more power. Installation is kinda tricky (tutorials are available on YT). Online apps can be set up as frameless full-screen apps via a shortcut.
That’s cool, never considered that
I love Chrome OS personally because of how lightweight it is. I hope the support continues to open up more potential for development on chrome!
Great video. Thanks🤗
Well, if the rules are daily driving a chromebook (with heavy development/programming), I've been doing it for ~4 years straight now. However, I did wipe ChromeOS and replaced it with arch. Daily driving chromeOS would be a lot harder for me personally.
Lot of IT knowledge lack to be a "developer"/"coder", in my opinion. How can you be a developer and don't know that programs are not the same for x86/64 and risc
Thanks for this video. I have a similar chromebook and is the only tool what I got for learn programming. Now I know that I can 👍👍
Great video Adrian.
You can just run linux (beta) without developer mode
oh didn't even know that!
PLEASE DO NOT ENABLE DEVELOPER MODE ON A CHROMEBOOK.
You do not need it (e.g. you can install Linux stuff without it, using the exact same process shown in this video) and it lowers the security of ChromeOS which is one of the best things about this OS.
"Security" isn't necessary tbh. All you need is common sense, and you'll be fine. Keep yourself informed, don't run random shit, and use vpns. You'll be fine.
-Never had a virus
What will be the alternative to developer mode?
this is what i call a perfect review!
Thanks this is what's I was looking for
Was that Chromebook really the cheapest one for you at $400? Is that a region/currency thing? Most I've seen are $100-$200. You also said that Windows laptops and MacBooks are $4000 or more, but the most expensive, most kitted out MacBook is $3500. And most of the high-end Windows laptops are $1000-$1500.
My take on this: Only if Price is a huge concern. Go for a Chromebook. Otherwise it's not worth it. Definitely not a long-term device.
Yeah agreed, I like it as a getting started device especially if you want to learn and try things out
No, get a x86 processor Chromebook and Linux apps work like a charm on it. Also it connects with your Android phone. Using Chromebook for more than 3 years. Now I don't use Windows anymore. For more resource heavy stuff like video editing, I prefer to use Mac. Anyhow, Chromebook are cheap and I am not expecting editing on it.
I recently moved to the USA. For two months now, I have been on the path of mastering Front-end development. I studied at my mother's computer on Windows, and now they gave me my own. For three days now I have been struggling with installing everything I need. There is almost no Russian-language information about this type of OS. I already thought that my path was closed on this, but still I decided to watch the video in English. Thanks to you, it became clear to me that there are some problems not only because of the language, but also because this type of OS really needs more attention.
i did search about this topic few months ago, when i read a few comments said Chromebook install VSCode i gave up immediately, kudos to you to made it work. 😅
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@@AdrianTwarog yaa your video is just awesome
@@AdrianTwarog Can you try Android studio in chromebook
fake developer you should have installed Gentoo on it
Very interesting thanks for sharing. I just got a Chromebook.
I did not expect , that chomebook can run the VsCode ..😄Great video sir🙏
HTML and CSS is not coding. Use microwave is not cooking.
Great video keep it up, new sub
Nice video in the future it would be interesting to see how you fared with higher end device like a spin 713 or something. Maybe something with a core i5. Because those are still quite a bit more affordable than most Windows devices and would probably give you better screen brightness and obviously more processing power.
Absolutely agree. If one has to do work on a Chromebook then one should get at least an i3 or i5 or equivalent powered with CPU Chromebook.
I use an Intel Celeron powered Chromebook and it already works wonders, but i guess that if i got a little higher specs device it would have been better.
But this is my first Chromebook so i was a little skeptical about the whole thing.
Great review!
I coded on python on my nicer chrome book this year for my high school CS class. It was hard to find some support things online but overall pygame worked and everything was good
This looks more like your new to Linux and ChromeOS. Good review though. Some Windows comparisons to a similar priced device would have been nice as well.
Thank you, this exactly was what i was looking for in a review for, and coincidentally same device, (maybe i am looking for the one with higher RAM version) but still duet 5 Chromebook, last question please, after months of use is your opinion the same???
I've never used Chrome OS. Can I use it like Linux Ubuntu with all the CMD software from the "snap" store?
You can always remote into another computer to do those higher powered actions which is what I do. I use Chromebooks as a fancier terminal rather than try to code directly on most times.
Chromebook become powerfully, but still lag of applications to do some heavy works. Is good to see you try to use Chromebook.
It's funny because I have done alot of my code learning on a 10" Lenovo Duet. Learned vscode is the way to go on an arm chromebook as pycharm is just way to slow. I could handle a simple flask server but that was pushing it to its limit. Stuff like selenium driver is pretty much a no go on a chromebook. Jupyter notebook works ok, I installed it on its own outside of anaconda. I also started using ssh to tunnel to a much faster desktop and just tapped into jupyter notebook through the ssh tunnel. I will say jupyter notebook was very slow for tab completing so I stopped using that function until I switched to the remote notebook via ssh.
Thanks for this video
Much like the days of a typical fairly new Linux user navigating a sys and app install. Takes reading, typing and patience but ultra gratifying in intervals.
I still use my surface go my dad give me two years ago.
Lot of people doubt it can code or not, and it just crushed those doubts again and again.
Install Linux on it, now its keyboard is starting falling apart, but is inside is still running like a beast.
I feel like straight up installing Linux distro could solve a lot of issues you faced. It would require additional setup, as it's always do
I recently found an old 2012 Macbook pro that I used to use ages ago and swapped out the HDD for an SSD and put in new 16 GB ram sticks. It honestly runs extremely well for a 10 year old laptop and you can find them for sale online pretty easily for a couple hundred or even less. These old 2012s are also really sturdy and relatively easy to work on and find parts online. I recommend this people try this if they want MacOS for really cheap. The only downside is that you are stuck with Catalina out of the box since Apple doesn't support these computers after that version but there are also ways to unofficially get Ventura installed as well.
I did same! Nice video!
The only problem I have with programming on my Acer R11 Chromebook is the standard layout for 11" Chromebooks. You really have to memorize how to hit the search key (below the tab normally is) and press some other key to get the keystroke you want like in Search+7 to get a { or Search+8 to get [
That's why i got a Chromebook with Intel CPU, 14" IPS screen (no touch), 8 GB memory.
It may be less fancy than a touchscreen convertible one, but it runs much better any Linux environment, it has a larger keyboard, and it cost me less than a touchscreen 11" Chromebook.
I bought it last year brand new and it cost only 280 euro.
Surprised it was that easy to get ARM builds of stuff. When I started down the chromebook path, the rule was if you wanted to do any power user stuff you should make sure to buy one with an Intel. (Then you had to enable devel mode and install crouton and whichever Ubuntu distro crouton had managed to get fully supported most recently. I'm still working with crouton just by inertia, but Google's own Linux subsystem might be better integrated.)
I have the original Chromebook Duet. It's hit and miss. When I first got mine in 2020 there wasn't an official VS Code for ARM so I had to use Code OSS. I think Apple offering mainstream ARM computers has helped a lot.
Wow, it worked for me too. Thank you.
You deserve a sub 🎉
I used a Chromebook for a coding bootcamp for more then three months. Main problem with coding with Chrome Os is finding alternative ways supported, for instance a web server , or understand how to install certain packages required and solve problems with permissions. Performance wasn't too good, but i was able to do something unprofessional.
wow i got a new cromebook to you looks easy for me i could try it and follow you.
I installed VS Code and gcc the other day on an even cheaper Chromebook, a Chromebook 4 from Samsung that cost a whole $120. Works like a charm! But that's because I followed the instructions from Lu's Tech Source. Without his guidance it would have been ugly. Also had to add a gnome keyring. (Thanks, anonymous poster!)
Hello just wondering what Backpack you have, looks pretty good. Thanks
My first video on your channel, great content and engaging :). I had read a lot, and videos, about programming on a Chromebook. I got an Acer 17" model for $249 Refurbished. I haven't installed VS Code yet but setup the Linux developer mode.
Have you tried it yet?? If yes could you try installing python...I'm thinking of picking one up for django development but I'm unsure if it can handle it.
@@neophyte88 It runs on linux so yes it does run python and Django works well
Hello, your backpack looks good. What is the make and model?
I use my Chomebook for learning how to code. I have come into issues but that's mainly finding good tutorials or resources. Most of what I find are Mac and Windows which have been fun trying to get the proper information. As much as it's annoying I'm just learning and really just need something that I can use to learn.