Boat Float Pods PSA
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- Ok kids everybody get out your pen and paper there's gonna be math at the end. 😁 Why do your float pods suck? it's probably because of multiple reasons, to get the best understanding of how they behave you'll need to watch the entire video.. #boats #whiteriverrambo #bowfishing #fishing
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Welded my pods on the other day after watching this video boat runs great with em on. only 1/2” of rise in the back runs great.was a lil scared to put em on after a bunch of forums I read but this video helped me decide to just do it thanks
Good stuff! Attayboy🙌
I have a 1448 aluminum, rated for a 25hp...I have a 50hp Johnson, well, I decided it was going on the boat..I put the pods on, best thing i could have done. 2hundred pounds of lift..the beaver tail was made to fit my boat..
Top speed ?
Awesome video thanks
Dude I love your videos! I have only ever understood the most basic theory of pods and have wondered what and upward slant to pods would do, now I don't have to make the mistake of trying it. I'm so glad someone with your level of experience and expertise is taking the time to record and instruct the rest of us. I really wish my instructors in college had your teaching skill and relevant info!
that means the world to me brother. pass it on.
Biggest reason for putting pods on the boat is to be able to piss out the back and not dribble in the boat!
🤣🤣🤣🤣💁♂️you're not wrong
Outstanding and full information on pods. Have an old 12' aluminum boat (a project) that I was considering investing in pods. Now I'm reconsidering. My boat's transom is curved and not angular. Your description of angle, location, displacement, drag, handling, etc., has me thinking that maybe I can solve the issue with equalizing weight distribution. I really appreciate the video.
I really appreciate this! I'm building a small 13 and a 1/2 foot flats skiff that I'll be using to fish coastal flats. I'll be putting a 15 HP outboard on it and I want just a little extra buoyancy back there. Your video with the math calculations will help me build a set of pods that will be just the right size for the weight I want to displace so the back of my boat doesn't get swamped in rough water. Otherwise, I would have probably used the "bigger is better" - "go big or go home" method and built pods that were way too big. Thanks!
I have been planning to add pods to my boat for a while now. I was told it would affect steering and I wouldn't like them. Your video explains why and how to correct it. Would like to talk if possible just to get a better understanding and what design I should use. Thanks for an awesome video!
I'm fan of sponsons. They go on the sides to aid stability at hull displacement speeds, and are fully out of the water when on plane. Not so much to lift the back for an oversized outboard, though they will do that a little.
Make the boat more stable, standing on a casting deck or when someone is boarding or getting off at the dock.
Foam filled backup if you rip the hull open at 30 mph hitting a nearly sunken log. But that's a side effect, not the purpose.
That was excellent. I went bowfishing for the first time a couple days ago. The boat owner I chartered was talking about adding pods. Now I understand why he wants to add them.
I just wanted to look cool at the boat ramp.
So much useful information. Thank you sir, you definitely made it make sense. Looking forward to putting my pods on this weekend
Great video, I’m buying my first Jon boat to trap out of, was looking at pods for it. I have only trapped out of McKenzie style drift boats in the past. Thanks for the info.
I recently purchased a small v hull boat and have been try to dispute weight better on it do to issues getting on plane and not sitting level when in the water. I often wondered if pods would help me because I didn’t want big pods hanging off the rear. I made some cardboard mock ups for size reference to what I want with the goal off adding a couple hundred pounds of floatation this video helped a lot and I now think pods could really help me out
Forgive the dumb question but do small boats not have outboard brackets available? A bracket can get you all the additional floatation without drag on plane but also gets your prop into cleaner water, has option of a swim platform and moving the outboard back can improve performance. It's a common upgrade on larger boats and I'd assume small boats would see similar benefits if available
It's not normal no. Outboard brackets aren't boat size specific but ive never seen one on less than a 2072. I have built a large center pod on a small boat. Kinda like a small hunt deck. I like that style but it wasn't really within the scope of the video.
Great video because a lot of folks probably think theyre all the same! I will say its easy to find a successful pod install on someones boat where I live(everyone has them lol) so people who are looking to do this should always bring cardboard and tape and a sharpie to the ramps the. go home and welder up!😂 Subbed!😎
We transfer from a 12 foot aluminum boat to our bay liner trophy 50 yards off shore on our bui Puget sound is no place to take a dip in the pool ! I filled two 10 foot vinyl gutter downspouts with spray foam for a different project that did not work .I have a big 2 handed riveter and i plan to rivet and epoxy them to the sides at the water line i dont think il extend them back 4 inches like i was thinking to many issues
How dare you bust out the math. This is very unacceptable. Good video keep it up.
Would shake your hand if I could that cleared up so many questions.
Great informative video. Lots of valuable information in regards to pods and proper installation.
Excellent info and exactly what I was looking for thank you sir.
Great information on pods . Going to try it on my boat. Thanks
by this same math/geometry will 8x8x8 boat pods work, that I will have to custom make? I know they won't displace much but I absolutely need them on my boat. The beaver tail pods (even the smalls) are way too big for my boat. it's a 14x55 (55 on top, 36 on bottom) so by this logic, they wont displace much but 8x8x8 will help. I am running an over 100lb surface drive mud skipper that swings very far to the sides with a reinforced transom (about 30-40 pounds) and I bowfish, currently sitting LOW. I need pods but no one makes what I need. Everything is too big.
Great information. Thank you for your time and effort to help.
Your video gave me a great deal to think about. Very well presented.
I would think this would be most beneficial to duck hunters
Don’t you have to subtract the weight of the pods for the final solution?
I have my pods pulled up .5 inch and choked in 1 in from the sides and my boat is still able to ride on the pad with zero performance loss.
Nice video!
This is a fantastic video. You just got a subscriber here. Im trying to figure out if i want/need pods for my jon boat (coming soon) your video really cleared up a lot of questions for me.
Great video and explanations! Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Loved the video but I have had just about enough of freedom units🤦. Alternatively you could just buy a metric tape measure. 10cm x 10cm x 10cm= 1 liter. 1 liter= 1kg of water. Math lesson over lol. Oh, unless you HAVE to convert that back to lbs. Simply multiply kg x 2.2. I've built a few boats, and did landscape construction and built pools for 25 years. Our system is so unbelievably stupid, it's actually pretty embarrassing
Great info and thanks for taking the time to explain this. Makes a lot of sense! Have any suggestions on pods for a step down hull?? Would it make sense to mount the pods flush with the outside(highest sitting part of the boat)(for boat reference skeeter zx17)
Very informative as are all your videos. I did not watch the entire thing, so I don't know if u addressed it, but...... .have you noticed that when pods are added, it creates somewhat of a void where the prop and ventilation plate are? I had to add a 6 inch set back and drop motor 4" to compensate for this. It's a mercury 4stroke, 40hp, quiet as can be, but once underway, it sounds like a Harley.
Again, if u addressed this, link the time stamp.
Thank you for the video. I’m a 290 pound man I wanna put pods on my boat. For a little more stabilization why fishing still .
I assume that backing up is quite different also... with the pods on. Great class, thanks.
Nah. You probably never tell the difference there.
Thanks for sharing, it was most helpful. I do believe you may have a dyslexic mistake. One cubic foot equals 7.481 gallons. One gallon of water (the media we are displacing) = 8.34 lbs
7.481 x 8.34 = 62.39 62.4 not 64.2
Yeah you're right. Thanks for pointing it out.
I run to big of a motor on my 14 foot aluminum,that is why I need pods.
No such thing.
You mentioned if someone was a bass fisherman we wouldn’t need them pods. Now I am a bass fisherman and run a 14 ft v-hull Jon boat. I am building it into a bass boat. I would like to have a pair of these so I could get up in shallow water.
That's not ideal. The V will bottom out before the rest of it. Your plan is counter productive.
Good video, well explained, but density of water is 62.4 #/ cu. ft. Small difference.
Great video glad I came across it because it totally applies to a project I'm starting. Always have had boats on the great lakes Sea Rays Baja's , Zodiac etc, my Dad had a 12' Alumacraft that he used in his pond ( last registered in 1980 ) and it will barely fit inside my tow vehicle, 7.3 Box Truck, that we pull an RV with I thought I was done with boating but started watching videos and now I have the Bug! Ordered a Suzuki 20 4stroke 100lb and want to do a simple build? Lol ! I know, there is no such thing, but here is my problem, my original idea was to use trim tabs with adjustable turnbuckles for support brackets and pull pins to either fold them up or remove them, I have that part figured out, but if I need the extra bouyancy do you think a longer thinner removable adjustable pod might be practical? The other idea I am considering is an aluminum angle 1/4 x 2x2 or ? riveted along each side to keep the water from pushing out the sides kind of a tunnel hull effect. U R D Man!
Just seeing this and you already want me to do math?!! You are mean!!🤨🤨.
Kidding. Great video! I learned something!
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Wow ok that was alot. Now I'm thinking I need to have my pods custom built and installed by a professional :(
Interesting. I put a 50hp on my 14ft fiberglass runabout. Its back heavy now especially with the heavy panther marine tilt and trim and 6 inch setback.
I want to put pods on my bass tracker for two purposes 1) to replace that fipper dolphin fin on my outboard(40hp) and 2) to increase the size motor rating on my boat if that makes sense. Right now my 17’ bad tracker is rated for 60 hp max. This boat should be rated for a bigger motor than that , so I figured with pods it would help with the extra weight of a larger motor and help it get on pad faster! Please tell me if I’m totally wrong in my thinking
Hull HP rating is only for dealers. You as a owner can do whatever you want. It's a "recommendation" not a law
@@DustinApple thanks Dustin for that info because I thought if u got caught by game &fish for a motor larger than the maximum hp on their plate that gives u all that info , although recently a buddy told me they don’t mess with on size too much unless u have a 50 hp on a 10’ flat lol!
excellent video thanks for sharing the knowlegde I learned alot: I have a 22' aluimiun deep V w/ a single engine pod 20" setback. this is a early 90s Armstrong pod it's so weird that they designed the pod to fill w/ water, I believe so saltwater would drain and not rot the stainless steel. instead of pods I'm wanting to widen my engine pod. seal it for extra floation add a bung to drain attach pods directly to existing engine pod around 1.25 cubic feet on each side, I'd like to add a kicker engine which is 120LBs. is there a way I can send you images of my plan? I have a thread at a boat design forum that has images of planned project if you'd like to take a look. Thanks Steve
Thanks for the information. I actually learned something today.
Awesome video! I had to save it for future use. Thank you
Well done, even a hilljack like myself could follow your math, big thumbs up.
It seems as tho pods should be mounted on a jack plate to make the most outa them. I've never had a set of them. Never thought about the steering drawbacks. But a jack plate would make the most of a set of pods , in my humble opinion anyway. It would add more weight and more mechanical parts as well I get that.
Fantastic explanation! Thank you very much.
do you usually brace the inside of the pods as some stiffening or leave it empty when you build pods?
Dustin is it safe to tig weld modifications on an aluminum boat with an integral fuel tank in it? I just didn’t know if it could ground and spark inside the fuel tank. What’s your experience?
You called it. My boat is about 9 inches deep in water at back
Man O Man Great Video! Appreciate the Pod Class- Thanks Million- Off topic here but could you recommend option for not too expensive
(weekend use) beginner tig welder? Maybe machine I could grow w/ a bit- Mainly as fishing guide & 2 aluminum jet boats that need repair from time to time - Thanks, jack
Good info . Been building boats with and without pods for over 42 years most production on full planing Catamarans.
You left out the importance of filling your pods with pour in foam. Pour in not for bouncy but for structural reasons. My current build I have designed a 55x22x18” pod fully filled with 2 pound pour in urethane foam. It is as solid as a rock and yes I can pee off of it with room to shake it off.
Foam should never be used in a boat. NEVER.
@@DustinApple tell that to Ranger boats and see what they say
@@jimmiller4951 its a dam good thing they use foam cause ive seen more transoms ripped of a rangers on social media than any other manufacturer. that says a lot about them as a builder and their clientele as boat owners. There is no benefit of using foam in a boat accept for recovery of it after it sinks. they are regulated by the USCG to use foam. you are not.
@@DustinApple you are so wrong on many levels . First of all I have produced hundreds upon hundreds and also been involved with R&D at one of OMC larger facilities doing multiple tests as to the structural value and displacement of urethane foam. Then went to building full planing Catamarans for Splendor Boats building hundreds of hand layups then 5 years repair mainly rigging and repairing for the Bass Masters .
So Mr know it all without knowing it all , what you got other than a CZcams platform ?.
I will not argue with you simply because I know from experience not opinion. Foam builds structure and without it you have a weak boat.
As for the so called weak Rangers that is the cause of overpowering and 12” Jack plates that were not properly installed. There is no record of the transom failing on one of their boats that was not altered .
Like I said , I will not argue with you Sir.
@@jimmiller4951 i build aluminum boats from scratch. I know what a strong hull is. If you require foam for strength then you cut a lot of corners in your hull designs. I build boats that beat on rocks drag bottom and push through debris. In a hull with good structural integrity foam does nothing more than provide a sound damper and eventually break down to hold moisture witch will routinely add hundreds of pounds to a hull and kill performance. Accompany that with the enormous fire hazards that foam adds to a catastrophic wiring failure and a bad day could become much worse. I will never put foam in a hull or pod. My hulls will last for 100yrs after all the fiberglass has rotted back into the earth.
I am going to make a pair from Plywood and fiberglass. Will save over $100 compared to beavertail small, and will be the size I need exactly
No don't do that lol
I want to make one solid pod extension and move the motor back?
I've done it. It's not terrible
Awesome video! Answered a lot of questions. But what do you think about float pods on a pontoon boat? Thank you
Everything you say about steering I get, what about a long tail???
Never had a Longtail but they pretty much don't care but their performance can be increased by the boat wake coming together at the prop.
Very good discussion
Very imformative. I don't think I'm looking for speed and performance. A 14ft. jon, motor is 10 hp,100lbs + -,till steer and I'm 288lbs. Weight compensation for stabilty???
Awesome video and very informative. So just to recap if I set the pods in towards engine and not flush with the outside and up off the water say a inch thats a good thing? If I angle just the back up it will cause it to porpoise. What's the difference between the two? Angled and fully raised. Fully raised wont porpoise like angled pods? Trying to get a better understanding seeing how im new to boats.
Wow super interesting video. Thanks
I’m going to ask a stupid question. Would it be worth my time to put foam in the pods
No. Displacement adds floatation. Foam is only for recovery of sunken watercraft. Pods should have a drain plug so you can check them occasionally for leaks.
Kenneth, I've checked out pods. was thinking of adding to a 12" aluminum boat. My understanding is there is no need for foam as the pods contain air. It's like you can float a sealed bottle in water. Pods installed are the same. Most are welded to the transom. The cap on top must be removed before welding. If bolted, the top must be cut off for installation then, welded back. Hope this is helpful.
Great video! Thanks. I want To install pods on my classic gheenoe
Does anyone have experience putting aluminum pods on a fiberglass skiff? I'm only 5 hp over the suggested size but I have built it from a plain hull had to glass in 4 wood stringers and a removable fiberglass floor added a 24 volt trolling motor so 2 batteries and a good size livewell and about to install an over motor platform needless to say more weight than it was meant for being a cheap skiff and I need flotation where I can get it was thinking to get them and have them powdercoated the same as my platform when I get that done has anyone seen how black powder coat holds up to being submerged in salt water? Any replies are appreciated
You're going against the grain in many ways. Get a bigger motor & a bigger boat.
I browsed through the comment section and you had mentioned about v-hull boats would be counter productive if pods are installed? I have an older hewescraft 16ft that is v on front but flat bottom on the rest. Was thinking of adding pods to make up the difference since a wanted a larger motor or upgrade to a 4stroke. Is it not a good idea to install pods then? Also the outboard is on a jackplate so it sticks out the motor an additional 5in away from the transom.
Thanks for this video… Will adding the flotation pods effect the steering on a tunnel jet? I just purchased a used Alweld tunnel jet and it’s heavy in the rear. I want to add pods for all the reasons you covered. I called Alweld and they said it will make it hard to turn the boat cause it’s a jet and turns off momentum thrust.. What’s your thoughts?
I remember buoyancy with engineers. Why does a concrete boat float? It will if it weighs less than the weight of the water it displaces. In layman's terms
Great info. Thank you.
Amazing vid brother ❤
Thanks 🔥
Have you seen anyone put pods on a deep fee Crestliner Sportfish?
Good info; appreciate you sharing your experience. I'd welcome a follow up to discuss the pro's and cons of different mounting methods that you've considered... Example, you point out that mounting at an upward angle causes porpoising, moving left & up enables better steering (at the cost of reduced volume/buoyancy). You mentioned mounting so the top is just out of the water. What would happen if you mounted the top so it is below the waterline do? guessing little less buoyancy, maybe more drag (until you come on plane). What would changing the angle of the pod's back do? Thanks!
Great information, I’m interested in installing pods on my2020 bass tracker classic. I fish swallow water n I’m looking for a extra help on going to plane faster. Would you think pods would help on my tracker? Thank you
Would pressurized pods increase bouyancey?
NO. Vessel pressure does NOT effect displacement.
Well done, sir. Well done!
Man I felt like this dude was talking to me
I have watched your video about 10x lol and i still have some questions about how i just installed my pods. I have not got the boat in the water yet so i have no idea wtf to expect. But long story short. I have a semi v hull. I decided to match the side and bottom profile of the boat. so the top of the pods are angled in toward the motor vs running horizontal with the transom top edge. Not a TON but they are angled down or in toward the motor. i also mounted them in 1 inch from the sides. and 1.5 inch up from the bottom. Did i screw myself?
also i have the back of the pod angled UP way more then most people say im talking INCHES vs less then a inch. I didnt want PERFORMANCE out of them but more of a little extra LIFE jacket effect if needed
I’m building a 1448 flat bottom boat. I went with the small beaver pods. Should have I went with medium?
Thanks for the tips! My question is in regards to spacing off the sides. I went with the small beavertailpods for a 1442 alumicraft. They are slightly angled up as you mentioned. I will be running a surface drive mud motor so the prop will sit pretty far back past the pods. ( not the long tail but still past the pods. ) Thoughts on flush to side or Would you still step them in. Thanks!
Flush to the sides, flush to the bottom. Don't hit anything with those .100 beavertail pods they will open up like a tuna can.
@@DustinApple interesting. Perhaps the layers gator glide that the entire boat ( including pods) will be receiving will help with this. I should not be making contact with anything in reverse since I do not have reverse! haha.
Man alive what a good video sir
What is your take on pods for stability? I have a 17' aluminum Bass Tracker that I want to be a bit more stable while sitting in the water for saltwater fishing. I know that's not the intention of a Bass Tracker, but I have what I have.
Pods do not add roll stability. Only hull width does that. You need a 72" wide hull for maximum stability on big water.
1 ft. cubed = 64.2 lbs. 1 ft. cubed would be the internal measurements and the weight of the materials to build the pod is not included in the 64.2 lbs., would that be correct?
Yeah that's right. Subtract the weight of the materials.
Sir I love the rear side mount for a 12ft aluminum jon boat with 9.9 4 stroke for catfish and gar all weight in rear looking at 350lb what's good and thanks
Side mounted float pods?
👎 NO
If your waterline is 10" and you make your pods. 10" tall. Wouldn't the pods make your boat sit higher. So the waterline would no longer be at the top of the pods?
Yes exactly. But that little extra isn't excessive.
Very good video
On plain on plain . Never heard of on pad
You need to find a dictionary. "On plane".
"On pad" is reference to a "Delta pad" witch is the rear center keel of the vessel.
@@DustinApple plane flies and describes geometry. Plain like to plain a board describes flat needs and
@DustinApple I called two boat manufacturers and asked if they ever heard of a delta pad on a flat bottom boat? I got laughed at. 😅 where do you buy these types of boat?
@@garynewman4908 Google is free. Try it sometime. You sound foolish.
1100cc Inboard jet jon. Thats what I'm building. I figured angles on the inside of pods for steering? The rest is your engineering. Whats your thoughts?
it won't turn.
Do you know how to upload pictures in the comments
New guy here……. Just bought a 2008 G3 20x72 with a 2018 Yamaha Vmax 4 stroke. This is my first boat purchase. I’ve been thinking about adding pods. I could be wrong but, the boat seems kinda lite in the front especially when getting it on plane. I haven’t seen pods on a boat this size. Is it worth it? And does adding them increase your occupancy while on the water?
Look up Lenco trim tabs. That will help you keep the nose down.
Anybody know where I can get custom pods I have a 14ft Jon boat?
I have a 1648 that I want to waterfowl hunt out of, we will hunt three most of the time and im sure we’ll hunt four sometimes. I’ve got a 30 hp on it and our hunting group averages 245 lbs. how do I go about getting the right size pods for my boat
The excessive weight divided by 64 pounds will give you the additional cubic feet of flotation you need below water to get back to where you were before you added the excessive weight.
awesome thankyou
Good video 👍
Never heard of a boat "on pad", only knew it as "on plane". in Florida, where we have these stupid speed bumps called manatees, the speed laws are all written as being "on plane" or "off plane". when determining idle and slow speed vs. a mph speed.
Bryan, I too call it on plane. Guess folks can use different verbiage. I do think that calling manatees "speed bumps" is uncalled for. My opinion. that's a rather cruel attitude to have. Manatees are in their natural environment. Boaters are operating in that element and a propeller does cause severe injury to manatees. I hope you don't own a dog that if it's on the street and is run over...a speed bump? Sometimes we all make statements we think are casual without real meaning, I hope that's your circumstance.
So I just ordered some beavertail small pods for a grizzly flat bottom 1654 what do I need to do because I've got a 60 Mercury Bigfoot on it and it sags on the ass end bad
Return those junk things & find a quality fabricator to build you a set of quality pods.
Great content
😯high in this one is the dah huh factor 😊
Appreciate your video...what size pods would you recommend for a 14' long × 42" bottom, 55" top × 16" tall jon boat..I have 95 lb 1974 20hp mercury outboard and I weight in at 345...I'm just looking to stay afloat lol..
That's a pretty small craft for a big guy. Bet it's got a wood transom too.... I'd consider doing a full width pod. More of a "hunt deck" style. That would basically make the boat longer. If you make some pods make them as big as possible. The cost will ultimately scare you. It would be best to wheel and deal to find a wider hull with a 20" transom.
@@DustinApple yeah..I'd probably be better off keeping this one in a pond lol...thanks for the advice and response...
Do you have a whale tail on the anticavatation plate on the outboard? You could put a set of manual trim tabs on the transom or go to a metal supply place and get some aluminum sheets and make some pods to fit the transom.
Thats great
Can i put pods on my 1988 17 foot bass tracker i got a drain or pump hole at the bottom could they weld above it
I’m try to send pics so you can see
You can not post pictures on CZcams. Yes I know what you are saying. I cut those out & put a new on in the center of the boat.
@@DustinApple you put pods on if so what state you in
@@jonathanwombles5004 Whiteriverrambo Customs is located in Salem Indiana
Thank I’m from Indianapolis