"the next bts:" why they fail every time. | REACTION & DISCUSSION
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 25. 02. 2023
- Helllo everyone! It seems that everybody enjoyed my last reaction to a BoraCity Magazine video and my patrons agreed! This week we need to give a huge shout out and thank you to Sunnie again for requesting another one for me to react to! I hope you enjoy, and once again, this video is targeted at the big record labels, not the groups. đđ„°
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The thing about BTS I love, is that they are a part of Korean history...they will be talking about BTS for the next 50 years or more. They are now living legends of Kpop.
As someone who grew up with the Beatles, there is a similarity with BTS as they both grew organically. The Beatles grew through each album. They changed as they grew. In the beginning, they did their own music as well as covering other music. Each album was different than the one before, with concepts not seen before. The albums were related to what was happening in their (and our) lives at the time. Their fandom grew and grew and they had listeners in more countries than the UK and USA. They literally started as "boys" and grew to be men before our eyes. We were fans through thick and thin, and there was both. Does it sound familiar? BTS's music and look are not a copy of the Beatles or anyone else. They are BTS. It is exciting to wonder who will be the next unique artist(s) but trying to make the next BTS is really a waste of time. Borahae! Your reactions are so much fun. đđ
I too am familiar with the Beatles, but only through my parents, as by the time I was growing up in the 1970's, the Beatles had already disbanded, although they continued to be recognized & influential throughout the years, even to this day & certainly in the next few centuries. But yes, when I first noticed BTS, the first things that popped into my head were indeed the Beatles. And since I was not familiar with BTS yet, the biggest similarity that I saw was the screaming crying giant global fanbase made up mainly of female fans. There are those who downplay that when it comes to BTS, but you should not have to. It is natural & biological, to have that subconscious sexual attraction. Again, that was one of the biggest similarities that took only a microsecond for me to recognize. Of course, it is as what you said about both their musicality as well. The other similarity was the haircuts... what the critics & haters of the Beatles called the "moptop", the critics of BTS call them the "Asian bowlcut". The hair styles are exactly the same to anyone who doesn't know anything about them.
It is natural to compare both bands, people should not try to think otherwise, because it is very logical to do so. And of course, BTS tying Beatles' record of 3 #1 albums in one year sealed that certainty. No one in between 6 decades had accomplished that. I still have my parents' Beatles albums/vinyls. Thus, this is destiny. And if people want further proof that Beatles & BTS were meant to be connected, even after a half century apart, then take a look at this wordplay that I invented myself a few years ago that amplifies the fact that they are indeed connected through time & space, that this is not mere coincidence & that this is natural & not forced ... Beatles + BTS = B e a T l e S
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Sorry but as a mature woman I wasn't caught up in their looks but their music their looks are an extra bonus but they are young enough to be my children. ARMY is a fandom that is mainly of the over 20's and it has a huge male fandom as well As for being any thing like the Beatles sorry but no just no they are nothing like the Beatles. The Beatles have never been a group I would volunteer to listen to couldn't stand their music neither was I ever into 'Boy Bands'. Beatles are comply different to BTS their only thing you can say about both is that they are once in a life time Group.
I honestly canât stand the whole ânext BTSâ thing.. to me itâs like saying âThe next MJâ. He was such a unique artist that did what no one else did and no one can replicate. Just like BTS.. they have accomplished so much and done what no other artist has! They came from the literal bottom and fought to get to where they are now. No one will ever be like them ever! They are on their own unique level! Also labels just need to let other groups be themselvesâŠdonât put pressure on them to be âthe next big thingâ.. just let âem be.đâđŒ
Exactly, let them stand on their own merit and not tryna do exactly what BTS did because they did their own thing their way, let the other groups do their own thing and making their own way.
Speaking of "MJ", the OTHER "MJ" is Michael Jordan & people were also looking for the next Jordan, even when Jordan was still playing in the 1990's (just like people were looking for the next BTS when BTS is still active), only for most of them to come up short in equal talent, e.g. Harold Miner & a few other players. Kobe Bryant is(was) considered the closest successor, although to me MJ will always be the GOAT.
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Well said
@@phoebealbert7949I know right they are instead killing their talents
What I love most about BTS is the brotherhood. They are all winning together and supporting each other.....fame didn't divide them, it seems it brought them closer and even more passionate about their art
Yeah there's quite a few good Boracity videos. And sorry not sorry, I still laugh at that Jopping song. I remember when it dropped and a lot of "reactors" loved it only for it to tank. đ
thatÂŽs when you know witch reactor is fake or legit hehe
I didnt hate it when it came out honestly, didnt necesarily love it either but it had some good parts, like mark's rap and baekhyun's top tier vocals in the end haha
I have never even listened to it the whole way through & I cannot take it seriously. You have BTS talking about mental health, socio-political issues & clapping back at haters, while SuperM is singing about a dance move that has not even become a huge trend, nor will it ever be.
@@robwebnoid5763 This is how I feel when I listen to most Kpop songs đ€Ł Even if the beat is sick and the track is vibey, I always realize that the song was literally produced to be just that: an "earworm" type of music - no significant lyrics or depth, no real artistry behind the polished vocals, and no emotions conveyed other than the generic "Hey I love you" or "Let's dance" đ Kpop fans will argue that you can love fun songs and not everything has to have meaning and that's true, but it always turns me off from a song when I realize that what I'm listening to has no significant effect on how I live, it doesn't make me think about complex stuff (ex: Black Swan đ), and even the people singing it will forget about the song after a year or so. You can have fun songs that also have depth, and those songs (that only BTS consistently puts out) are a WAY better choice for the playlist to define your journey in life.
â@@alexisx4368 ... Part of the reason a lot of KPop songs are like that ... a lack of depth & meaning ... is probably to be "safe". Seo Taiji & BTS are basically the only ones I know that pioneered in their fields by putting meaningful social commentary in their songs, but risking their career & censorship by doing so, which in fact was the case, as Taiji & BTS have been censored at one time or another. I recently heard that one of Jimin's recent songs has been already gotten censored, if it's true. Seo Taiji really felt the urge to comment for some reason. This may have had something to do with being a highschool dropout, who knows. But by doing so & risking career, he really made an influental impact & inadvertently he became the drive, impetus & template for the KPop idol industry to follow. He is not KPop himself, but rather the Father of it. Unfortunately, most idol groups that followed, after Taiji left the scene, did not copy those deep commentary lyrics. They also did not copy instrument playing, which is one reason why KPop is primarily singing + dancing because of Taiji's Boys band, but also copying previous SK dancing groups of the 1980's. We already know the history of BTS' songs & how they have perked up the ears of listeners, not just those who loved it for the meaning, but also those who censor it because of the same meaning. Having BTS haters did not help either. Fortunately for both Taiji & BTS, making their songs have deeper meaning, with risk, just made them become pioneers, rather than just "bots". We know in 2017 that Seo Taiji symbolically handed the torch/mantle to BTS, so that in itself is saying something, not just because BTS was rising in popularity, but that they both shared the same sentiment of lyrical importance. Another "similarity" between Taiji & BTS is that right now both of their careers are somewhat at a standstill, even though BTS members are releasing solo work, as they are going through conscription, while Taiji is basically just contemplating life what to do next after having had a "rocky" 2022 for him. The other reason for lack of depth is possibly because most KPop agencies normally assign their songwriting to a select few, which could sometimes become same-sounding over time, rather than having the idols themselves learn how to write songs/lyrics, or give them the freedom to write whatever they want, even to the point of risk, much like how BangPD said to BTS to write songs about their inner selves. KPop is ever evolving. That's why observers have marked them with generations. In a possible future generation, KPop could potentially have more depth, sure, but also have instrument-playing, along with singing & dancing. That would be a future unintentional or intentional influence owed to both Taiji & BTS.
People donât realize that BTS grew organically, they didnât have the same chance as any other groups. They came from nothing and grew into a group that adored music and creating a safe space for everyone. No one is dragging down any other groups, everyone is different and doing their own thing. Itâs their label that is handling the situation like a prissy child. BTS are BTS. They arenât going anywhere just yet, like you said, itâs not about the sales or money. Having fans and having the ability to have a precious relationship with their fans. Labels need to back off and create a group who is fresh and passionate about music.
that part! I have watched BTS' growth process over the past few years and it is crazy that other companies try to achieve what BTS has achieved without growing organically like BTS did. Like BTS started in a studio with ghosts and roaches, how many other groups can say that đđđ (I know of some that could, btw, and I do support them âșïž)
@@LandonMark
THIS! Nowadays groups have an advantage when it comes down to having the ability to make music and having their popularity. Iâve been an army since their debut and itâs crazy how people donât realize how hard BTS work and they are dedicated to their music. There are other groups that I do love and respect, but their labels need to stop and take a step back. Groups need to grow organically and do their own thing, there is no rush or urgency for them to make it in the western media/have an international fan base thatâll either love or break them. Itâs all about patience and respect.
The new label under big hit tnt said if not for their seniors called bts they wonât have a good life and they are always happy and learning and they even call bts their big brothers for paving the way and giving them opportunities because if not because of them big hit will no longer exist and hybe cooperation will not be there. And that day I cried for them to acknowledge their big brothers suffered and paved the way for them to the extent that they donât have to go through the same hardships I cried even them they are under the same label and the say cooporation donât say they are the next bts but instead they say they are learning from their big brothers and making sure to achieve good success . The interview went on and he said they look up to them and they also learn how to make their own music, direct that how bts set the standards for those in the same label with them and the fact that they have their freedom
â@LandonMark not the ghosts and roaches đđđ
I completely agree on the not hating on these artists for their label's shitty tactics. These idols works really hard too and their labels need to focus on what their artists actually have to offer.
the next bts is bts
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Music artists should never strive to be the next anything, be the first and only.
Also with TXT-- despite being BTS's little brother group, I think they stand out as particularly unique because they're not actually trying to be the next BTS. The points about originality, dedication to the art and effort that Boracity pointed out all hold true with TXT, especially because they knew they were going to be compared to BTS and they knew they had to differentiate themselves from that from minute one. I think they've done really well differentiating themselves from a musical style because while BTS has an underlying inspiration from hip-hop as they cross genres, TXT seems to be drawing more and more from rock.
They've found their identity as artists and aren't trying to get bigger by calling themselves the next BTS, not just because Bighit/Hybe is the one company that KNOWS there actually isn't a next BTS (in equal parts I think they seem to know it was a once in a generation thing and because to some extent I think they don't even know how they did it) but because they want their success to be their own and they hold an immense level of respect for BTS and wouldn't have the audacity to claim they'll be bigger or better-- they're just different. Plus a lot of the members were recruited for the group BEFORE BTS even exploded in the west, the members didn't sign up for BigHit with the notion of "this is the company that manages the biggest group in the world so this is where I'll go."
Plus it's pretty funny that the one instance in this video of them getting called "the next BTS" wasn't even from the boys or their company, but from that Billboard competition that also was going "but here's twelve other options of which we're sure they'll all be the next BTS"
You have said it all and even bts younger brothers TXT donât even say they are the next BTS . They are different and it funny when these labels want to create the next bts while BIGHIT itself is not creating the next bts but instead allowing each group to grow their talents
Well our man Bang did openly say that the company will use the formula that proved successful in making BTS to make other groups because this is his ideal version of building that organic and good kpop industry he's always dreamed of. So yeah, they are the company's version if a "next bts" but not inorganicallyh and not by simply going for all of BTS's achievements. Just int he way of having that artistic freedom and passion.
4:13 not only the avengers of kpop did that, but also stray kids and seventeen did that with 10-17+ version of album to get no.1 album but ZER0 songs on hot100
Haaha I loved your reaction! Bts are global artists and one of a kind! The other groups I like are stray kids and txt they are original and have their own style. I wish them all success but Bts are in their own league honestly đđ€§
totally they are way over to the point where each memeber can sell out their own stadium if they wanted.
@@lealarsen2017 right?! That's crazy. I already know the NYC shows are gonna be sold out
Thank you ! Love ur response to this!! >_
20:01 im cryingggg, flashbacks to that awful "jypeeeEEEeEEeeEEE" vocal run attempt in autotune đ
This is why we love watching you react to the Boracity vids because your insights are so good. LOL! I think that while there is no way that any group could be the next BTS, I do think that HYBE has found the formula to creating successful groups. All the aspects of telling their own stories, interacting with the fans, making performances the priority, and encouraging the group members to participate in the music process are all standards based on what helped BTS become successful. HYBE runs two teams, one for the development of the music and the other for the presentation of the music. The music and the performances becomes a conversation between the fans and the group, and that will help a group become successful. I think that a lot of the groups that are successful now have that in common. In my opinion SVT, SKZ, TXT, Enha, and ATEEZ, among the boy groups are successful because they are telling their own stories, participating in the music process, communicating with fans, and making their performances a priority. They are not trying to be BTS, they are just trying to be the best version of themselves that they can be. There is no next BTS, but there are some amazing kpop groups that are worth taking a listen too. And I would love to see a collab between you and Boracity! But I'm curious as to what topic you would discuss.
Yessssssss! I'm so glad ur doing another Boracity video đđđđ I totally agree with everything the both of u said. Can't wait for more reactions to Boracity đ„°đ
Hi Landon, I'm always coming across your new reaction vids and i loved them. but now that i've subscribed and found your old BTS videos....omg... i so love you! keep those reaction videos comin' good health to you! đ
charisma uniqueness nerve and talent
Once again, you nailed itâŠâŠ.really love your comments on itâŠ..IđU from a French ARMY
This is a great video, though in some parts it kinda devalues the hard work of other artists. I think esp in 4th gen, there is more originality than previous groups who were contemporaries of BTS, and it is seen in their performance in US charts. You can clearly see which groups are hardworking and what company values their artists immensely, giving them creative freedom esp in songwriting and producing. Having said that though, nobody can beat BTS. There is no next BTS. They are the best. If another artist or group becomes successful like them, it is because of their own merit and hard work. We as kpop fans should just be supportive of one another, not try to drag anybody down. Thank you for this video đđ
I think you might be misinterpreting what the essay writer meant by originality, they mostly just meant it as âdonât try to get ahead by just copying BTS, do your own thingâ and that the companies should give groups the freedom to be their own artists rather than forcing them to mimic whatever BTS was doing last week.
More over LABELS are giving them free ride by making article comparing them to BTS directly ' when its come to BTS they were literally cut off from broadcast so that their song don't reach many people ' BTS earn every fan when others getting just by mentioning BTS,
I remember when BE was number one in the 200.. the only song that didn't chart was Skit. I personally still thinks that BB panicked and flipped after that happened.
Hybe boy/girl group, They have their own success!!! Hybe wants them to make their own success without mentioning about âThe next BTSâ!! Did they make it?? Yes, they did!! Meanwhile the other Kpop group keep wanting to be the next BTS while they donât even appreciate the road to become the âNext BTSâ!!! Just like the other Kpop groups that appreciated BTS for paving the road to become success just like BTS but not the âNext BTSâ. The way they thanks BTS for showing the way, itâs mean a lot to them and me as a BTS fan feeling happy that they became success on their own way!!!
agreee in all thank you ! i enjoy
I love your savageness... fighting! There will be no next BTS....louder for the people at the back to hear...lol
TXT is learning from their big brothers and am proud of them they say they pave the way for them and they donât have to go through what bts went through . Even TXT donât say they are the next bts đđđđđ
oh, and i love the eyerolls!! omg haha
With regards to TXT, I think BH tried their damn hardest to make them as different as possible from BTS and tried to keep BTS power influence to the minimum. However, itâs literally impossible to not have any crossover when theyâre the only two groups under the label (Big Hit not Hybe in general). Also, now that TXT is stronger on its own feet, theyâre going to try to capitalize on this. Itâs just business. And honestly, so many ppl already shit on TXT because theyâre BTSâ little brothers, might as well get all the positives that come with it as well.
BTS, son Ășnicos, cada miembro es un artista, eso es lo que lo definen, como grupo, a BTS, si quieren imitarlos ya no serĂan originales, porque serĂan una copia, cada grupo tienen que buscar originalidad y no tratar de imitar a BTS....nadie puede ser BTS, ni RM, ni Suga, ni Jin, ni jhope, ni jimin, ni V taehung, ni Junkook....son los originales y muy bellos todos...los adoro, como grupo...for ever...
â@Landon Mark I was late to your video.. but I loved how u say what needed to be said in this video. Love u stay u.
PREACH, Landon, PREACH!! đđđđ»
I think this is an issue these companies seem to have, like why not foster individuality in groups and promote them as they are instead of trying to follow in the shadow of bts. It's not respectful to bts or to these artists/groups. And it's especially interesting considering LSM is the one to have kick-started this "next-bts" narrative when he's the one that has been perpetrating terrible stereotypes that have harmed kpop artists, and even bts since they've started becoming big in the west, so clearly he doesn't respect them as individuals or as respectable and on-par artists that can hold their own in the industry without mediaplay and manipulation.
Landon! I love this and itâs all true! Iâm here just saying yes at the top of my lungs lol scared my cats haha
Just wanted to point out something about the albums being #1 without any songs charting on the hot 100. That's actually not uncommon for most kpop artists outside of bts and blackpink because most artists streams and digital single sales in America are nowhere near where those 2 artists are. For example, and people can correct me if I'm wrong, but stray kids no 1 albums last year and txt's one this year didn't have a song charting on the hot 100 to my knowledge but I would never say their sales are fishy since I've seen their growth and chart placement increase from album to album.
Now super m might be a different story, but I don't know enough about it to comment haha
People forget that, without major playlisting, viral trends, or radio airtime, getting a song on the hot100 is difficult. But the BB200 tracks sales and if they have passionate fan bases then those sales are legit, regardless of whether the song gets airtime or goes viral.
Landonâs a vibe đ€Ł really enjoyed this video
But Jopping tho... When it was released I personally didnât mind it that much, but now thereâs no way in hell Iâm listening to it. And I think thatâs the problem with most kpop songs, they have no LONGEVITY and they donât leave any impact in the listener brain. Whereas BTS who literally created an album a decade ago that I still listen to and is still relevant to the struggles Iâm facing in 2023.
PS: Iâm also taking this opportunity to encourage Armys to stream BTS as much as they can while they are not releasing anything. Like the most recent video of BoracityMagazine talked about : we should bring the focus back to BTS MVs, songs and content rather then wasting our breath on Twitter fanwars and useless drama that are dividing us rather than unite us as the freaking driving force that we are. Purple u guys đ
Yes, everyone can be BTS. All they have to do is write GREAT songs that will stand the test of time and perform them perfectly. What's the mystery?
Who said so? It's not only their songs it's also their personas, their voice, their penning style, their face everything about em is unique. Believe it or not only bts can be bts đ€·ââïž
Love your feedback, they are very unique and legends. So proud of them, and 2022-2023 solo work is just another level for their own journey. Bring on 2025!
Lmaoooo Landonnnnnn I love you so much đđđđđđ
The next BTS is
Kim SEOK JIN
KIM NAM JOON
MIN YOONGI
JUNG HO SEOK
PARK JIMIN
KIM TAE HYUNG
JEON JUNGKOOK...
In reality, I don't understand this will of the labels to create the "next Bts". Before becoming an army, I listened to a lot of kpop music. And I really liked it, my reluctance arose when by dint of listening, certain rhythms kept coming back and this even more so when the artists came from the same agency. Having strict control over the artist does nothing to encourage their evolution as musicians.
I hope that kpop will change, because currently, of course, kpop artists are becoming more and more famous and creating buzz, but we are all aware that the foreign music industry only greets them with a fake smile. Bts really struggled to get to the level of Global artist, I'm so proud of them and the musical identity that they were able to claim at the top. And they did it by refusing to indulge in the games of the music industry. And I want like bts, a lot of bands to do that, because all the boys ever wanted was to take their country name and genre to the top. But for that, kpop has to stop acting like they're creating puppets and not artists. At this rate, in 20 years, kpop will be famous for everything except their musical identity.
I like your reaction.. Hahaha. 1000% agree w u. Period...
God this video is so amazing, it hits every point with such precision it's so beautiful and infuriating to watch.
2:22 this is so relatable !!!
When she said find something different, while the group's are relatively new, Flo and NewJeans getting the success they're getting right now came to my head. Dont get me wrong, it's not BTS numbers etc but ITS REFRESHING. A BREATH OF FRESH AIR. NewJeans with their slightly 00s style pop with a current twist is hitting because there is a gap in the market for that. Flo with their 00s r&b sound but also modern is also hitting because there's a gap in the market. I've been loving those two because THEY FEEL AUTHENTIC. IT DOESNT SEEM LIKE THE LABEL IS PUSHING FOR A NEXT BTS. And yes im glad the emphasis was on labels rather than the groups themselves.
I will respectfully agree and disagree. I agree their music is like a breathe of fresh air, etc. however I disagree with you when you said the company is not trying to make them the ânext BTSâ. the subsidiary that NewJeans are in, even had an article saying they were going to be the next BTS. (Although the girls themselves from the very little I have watched donât push this)âŠ.
Sincerely, your opinion on new jeans is the first I had when they started as well. I loved that it was different. But I feel like the themes they cover are too important and deep right now.. I would have liked them to grow up and gain experience. There I just have the impression that the producers put the song in their hands and told them to sing with as much emotion as possible. These girls, they will go far, but just like big hit let bts grow, Ador should give them that opportunity.
@@Juyhz yes i agree thatÂŽs the problem i think. most groups gets puched out in the industry like these already successful groups when in reality they do not know anything. they havenÂŽt even had their first concert. and many are not really in it for the music itÂŽs the idea of being famous and rich that draws them in. and they want to look cool on stage. BTS was always showing us how insecure they where and how they will work hard to make good music. to admit failure and learn from it. i dont think i have ever seen another artist of group to do this.
I really like her style of editing and explaining things and she does always say she is biased when it comes to what she's discussing. But in this one specifically she makes amazing points and I like it. Of course, I am biased as well, but I find it unfair to try to find the next whatever because everyone/thing should be its own. Have their/it's own flavor and reason for being recognized on their/its own.
I would loooove a boraMark collab!!!
SameâŠâŠ.please please please đ
I think that the interpretation of "The Next BTS" is very different in Korea. Imo, "Is there going to be any next BTS?" means "Is there going to be any Kpop group that will become as popular as BTS?" Being the next BTS(or trying to make the next BTS) doesn't mean that Kpop groups get rid of their own unique style and mimic BTS or something. It's just that since BTS was the first Kpop group to gain so much popularity worldwide, people here are curious if 4th gen will be able to get to that level in terms of popularity. It's a simple curiosity but I agree that "the next BTS" thing can give some pressure to the other Kpop groups.
The next BTS is BTS đ
Companies are too focus in what BTS has achieved that to this point it looks like a lot of other groups music are not honest and just have the purpose to break records that BTS, organically achieved, instead of improving their own artistry and making music for the fans...
K-pop media play specially YG's media play goes crazy đ I listen and I like other k-pop artists but it makes me really uncomfortable sometimes what their company does and that also affect the idols bc they receive hate for something they don't really choose to do
Theres no next BTS its only BTS!!
Hi Mark, who is the person behind that sneaky voice? Love your reactions đ€Łđ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł BTS, BTS (7) will live forever in my my heart.
The media likes to create narratives that sensationalise topics such as who is the next big thing. They've been doing it for years.
While BTS certainly has made its mark within Western countries, you can't discredit the 4th generation, as they bring their own musical colours and concepts to many countries around the globe. Each are forging their own identity and should be respected for their hardwork and resilience.
You 7:50 you better catch those tickets because it canât be me. Thereâs too many miles between my place and the concert hall.
đ€đŸ good luck
Louisiana that's it. I thought you were mid western but you're southern. We love LA
I AGREEEEE
I don't think yoongi meant 'no next "BTS" ""BITCH""! They are NOT haughty or are looking down in such a manner. They just continue on uplifting, working, and supporting . They don't take time for putting on such an attitude. I am grateful I discovered BTS during a major low point in my life. I have never been sorry to think of them as example and as a light as I try to make my own way.
THERE'S NO NEXT BTS . đ€đ€
3:21 lol I love you
BTS is king...
Life is still going on is a reall song by nct dream
Honestly, people are way too aggressive on both sides when people who are the point of the conversation (bts and whoever else) don't really care. Suga said it loud and clear he doesn't feel like they did much more, they just tried to do something new to be seen and he said they messed up the industry ahahah. That is true from his point of view because they were inspired by people that for them made the big step that people are now giving them credits for. Different times different steps. For us, meaning people that grew up with bts, they are the standard, the paved way. For Suga it may be other groups and it's fair for him to say, because people that are his idols like Big Bang made huge steps for a group that had much more limited social media influence and a littl less reality cause they were more controlled by the agency while big hit both for limited budget and because they had great song writer and profucers in the boys let them be a little more. On the other hand is true what many other artist have said too. I'm using Suga and Hoshi interview for reference because it's the most recebt and blatant example, but it's understandable for Suga coming from a broke company to see other artist that seemed great and all from the start because of their company and respecting them for living up to that, instead of being jealous and full of himself and assume that they are not as talented as them, he trust his work and he is confident, but he lives music above all so he appreciated other good artists. However it's easy for us that are fan of them like Hoshi to want to give them the right credit because they are humble. There is nothing bad in admiting that you want to be as good as someone or as popular as someone and Hoshi made that clear, he is a greedy person and he knows he is good, even great so he tries really hard for his talent and his group's talent to be recognised on a bigger scale and he is thankful that it's easier now with bts.
I was confused myself. I was an armyblink for like a year and then got into txt and became a moa because I simply love the interacting these groups had, and the friendship and, of course, their music, never compared them much. However, I knew of Svt, and I knew they had some of the best singer, dancers, and rappers. I still believe that BTS rap line is the best rap line there ever was and will ever be, not saying others don't come close, but there is yet to be someone better for me and I'm saying this pretty unbiased since one of my ult are literally Suga Vernon and Bang Chan. However, I have to say that in some categories, Svt does work better than bts. The dance line is stronger and although Jimin and Jhope are to me at the same level of Hoshi and Dino in different ways, and Jungkook is probably one of the best performer there is they can't really do much when they have the most synchronised group with a freaking b-boy and I don't even know where Jun's elegance and accuracy comes from, but yeah. However even if on paper svt are stronger dancer, because I would argue they hardly have a weak link and are more synchronised, the end result is pretty much the same because bts has such a synergy, that svt have too, that makes up for it and I would argue that as performerce they are kind of tie. However, the vocal line is a different story. I'll start this by saying that Jungkook too is my bias and still with you is my alarm and his in the soop adlibs are my ringtone, so you could say I love his voice and he constantly improves and has basically autotune and pitch correction in his vocal cords and is stable like few people, but it's just unfair when you have his bestie DK and Seungkwan, like those are out of this world vocals. First of all they are great belters, which in bts is more of Jin job, even if jk is a good belter, second they have just stronger voices ESPECIALLY dk that man is a megaphone, and maybe JK is that good too, I don't really doubt he could belt in his mixvoice, but he is more of a head voice belter (I do indeed rewatch the live version of so what for his adlibs and mostly his crescendo and decrescendo melodies he does at the end), but he doesn't have much of an opportunity in their songs. Funny story Woozi exists, and he is the sole reason I started to stan svt. How could you not after listening to Second life bridge. He and Hoshi were the main reason I believed they were the only competition against bts, and that was before I started to stan that which was like some months ago. The story is very similar, broke company, great personalities and bonds, overflowing talent and most of all potential AND that passion in their eyes, that passion that you can clearly see now in their well earned cockyness in songs like Ddaeng or Cheers, yeah they were ddaeng and now they are bang, yeah they came from a two pyeong room and now they are here. Self producing, composing, writing, choreographing everything in between. Yet that doesn't change that things turned out the way they did and it's not unfair, or wrong, because being famous or the most famous isn't only based on talent, is based on marketing, timing, luck AND hardwork and skills
I donât know why people are so pressed about it. It's true both ways. BTS paved the way for many things western, especially because they came up with some great ideas like using youtube and twitter right when the platforms were becoming big, that is both luck and intelligence. It is also true that another group as talented could have done that, but the reality is that they were the first to do it so successfully, so most of the credits should go to them, others have taken big steps too, but it's undeniable the "damage" they did to the formula: big scale performance, youtube, even weverse has taken over Vlive and I thought that was not possible. If people were more chill about this there would not be a discussion, but a topic to talk about.
Ehh... Kinda lost me at the 2nd paragraph about the downplaying of Jk's vocals. Part of what makes BTS is their unique vocal line; it is the fact they DIVERGED from following SM's vocal formula which is having BELTERS is what made them stand out in the 1st place. As most famous 2nd gen groups came from the big 3 and sm basically established that traditional kpop vocal formula, it convinced a lot of ya'll the only way to determine a vocal line is great is if they only have belters, which is NOT true at all with kpop competing with US market mainly tackling pop sounds; with how oversaturated the competition is, You need vocal colors that STAND OUT, numerous industry experts have said it themselves JK has potential to be as big as any western solo singer if he really wants to be, cause his voice is that marketable, You said it yourself still with you is your alarm tone, which means u can't help it but play his voice over again, that's what sells in the long run its his addictive vocals. Many kpop vocalists can learn to belt but having a unique vocal color will be hard to find. If I want to hear a belter, I'll listen and go to solo ballad artists. Not to mention how you didn't even try to bring up Jm and V in praise of bts vocalists; how V basically also subverted the formula of forcing 'deep voiced kpop trainers forced to rap' no, he started as a singer not a deep-voiced singer forced to 'rap' 1st before later on singing. He utilized and was able to use his lower register well in their songs, hence; bringing out emotion and depth into them that otherwise would feel missing on their songs (ex: His bridge on Spring Day) WHILE ALSO seamlessly keeping up very well with his tenor vocalists as the only natural baritone in the group, which is NOT easy to do. Vocal coaches, even Disney professional singers have praised and know the most just how great he is for being able to sing both in lower register and switch to high. And Jmin being praised for having a unique vocal tone and how high he can reach for such a male vocalist too. that's the truth
And fully acknowledging this does not negate the efforts of whoever your favorites is, its just giving credit where credit is due, If industry music professionals have acknowledged it themselves BTS vocal line is that 'good' and they all have the experience to back what they're saying who are we to downgrade them? They hold that title of being the 'best group' overall currently on this generation for a reason and it is with its rightful merits and they do deserve it. The moment when we can confidently discuss "why bts is the best" without people jumping in to affront that as a personal attack to their faves as well as not downgrading their true worth, then we can have the conversation
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Ok while this video makes some good points I have to say the 'lack of raw talent' part rubbed me the wrong way. There are SO many talented idols out there. And lets give the ones who have less 'raw talent' time to develop. I love Jin but he was not a great singer or dancer at debut, and look at him now.
This video is mainly aimed at 4th gen and they are very young still. I can think of a few 4th gen idols who were good dancers at debut but not great at live vocals, but they have really improved over the past few years since debut. I do agree that I wish companies focused less on visual perfection, but the way the point was made in this video seemed harsh and dismissive of all the idols who are working so hard to be better.
i guess i get what you mean but for i understood it differently. i didn't hear it like "the idols are lazy and untalented" i heard "@ the labels, stop looking for a pretty face and next big star, look for talent and passion". it was meant for the labels just wanting the fame and money and achievements bts have, not at the idols working hard and not matching that because that's not how it works
Raw talent does not mean untalented , it's mean something new a great example is bad bunny, Eminem, they change the game of music 180 degrees while others artist are doing decoration of what already have been done, that way you can be cardi B not beyonce
The funny part about "Life Is Still Going On" is that the original title wasn't even LISGO. Somewhat I feel bad about NCT. The song itself is not bad & actually quite catchy. But I felt LSM influence in that without even acknowledging what NCT wants. Even with SuperM. Why 7 members? Tell me if that's just too coincidental. As far as I know, no SM group have 7 members.
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If they want to be the next bts so bad then they should try to create the next Army cos the last time I check we are almost 90million
the only group in my opinion that can even come close, even the tiniest bit to where bts is, is TXT. the music they have put out so far is amazing. And I believe that's mainly because theyve been in the same company since before hybe was even created, when they barely had anything. So txt has the same foundations as bts.
Not really ' they don't have to go through same racism and xenophobia for asian as BTS have to, BTS have fights them and prove them, so path has been paved for other
@@blossom6693 just because bts has gone through something doesn't mean those same problems can't pop up for txt. it's because bts may have gone thru x y and z that they can help txt out which is something they themselves never had.
@@toshigem1 wel I don't think American will be frown their eyebrows for wearing makeup just like they did for BTS, BTS has make those things normal already all over the world ' BTS had walk through a road full of cactus đ” andturning it into đș work now walking through the same road is not the same
I am not hating on them but the reality is BTS were hated for their look both in korea as well as west ,
BTS debut was in 2013 when their previous group failed terribly and made a bad impression abt them even before their debut ' TXT debut was in 2019 ' and they get support from the biggest boyband in the world BTS not only backstage but also promotion wise, it's not same .
TXT= talent+ support from biggest group in the world+ group from top kpop company in South Korea + a well curated path already open to break in to world
BTS= talent+ bankrupt company+ become big+ surpass big3 company group at that time+ face a lot of sabotage ( cut off from broadcast+ ........I will add in a few minutes)+ find way to break into US+ world themselves with no guidance+ surpass top group in US+ face alot of xenophobia and racism and what not
It's not gonna be the same
If you ask me the next legendary thing like BTS will happen maybe from underdeveloped country or city or region where they will come and break through and make their genre mainstream just like BTS did for KPOP '
Bad bunny did for his country music
It's not about good song ' it's about influence
BTS also represent Asia in world by showing the western media that asian has the legendary group BTS
@@blossom6693 well I didnt say txt will be the next biggest group. I said they have the potential to be just as great as bts. and it seems like you dont know judging from your comment but txt was in bighit the same time as bts, when the company was bankrupt. they didn't show up when hybe was created they were there since the very beginning. You should watch Suga show called Suchwita and the episode where he speaks to two members of TXT to understand what I'm saying.
@@toshigem1 you misunderstood, TXT debut from a company of the legendary group BTS and BTS make hybe big, they debuted from a well known company and they have big 4 privileged unlike BTS
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I like kpop. That being said, there are very few kpop groups whose albums I can listen to straight thru for the second time. Yep, there one or two bops or ballads that catch me, but after that itâs âskipâ, âskipâ, âoh, hell noâ. TXT is an exception as their eps are carefully crafted to present the talent of the members and not the talent of the producers. Right now, some of my favorite kpop artists are in the military-I miss you, Taemin & Baekhyun. Iâm looking forward to seeing them comeback, but they arenât BTS.
I know you didnât ask for it, but my opinion is
1) New Jeans, Blackpink or Stray Kids have the biggest chance of success after BTS. Not at being âthe next BTSâ but just at being just as or almost as successful. And itâs bc theyâre different and donât appeal to just the niche audience.
2) Labels trying to promote their artists to become âthe next BTSâ is so pressuring and unfair. Artists want to grow as themselves and not constantly be in the shadows of BTS. Itâs going to be near impossible to reach or exceed their accomplishments globally and thatâs just not fair to the talented artists who work their butts off just to debut.
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Landon - you always make me laugh! I love your honest opinions and I swear if you talk any faster, Iâm gonna need a neck brace cause I keep whipping my head back and forth following you talking! Seriously though, I have followed BTS from their debut (as I had HS Alt.Ed students who followed them and I used music as a teaching tool), that being said, BTS is BTS and there can never be another group exactly the same. Their evolution as a team, as a band, as artists, and as individuals can not be replicated as they are 7 unique, talented human beings who were hand picked by Bang PD and allowed to grow and evolve organically (howâs that for a run on sentence?). His method of training was totally polar opposite to most K-Pop companies. He allowed then a lot of control over their music, they lived like a family, were made to work things out as a family. It may sound snotty, but just like there was only one group named the Beatles, their is only one BTS forever.
Sorry - you got me riled up, and as a southerner too, I speak my mind. No negativity towards other groups trying to make their mark in the world - itâs just that they canât be the next BTS, there is no ânextâ BTS, there is only the next thing to come, whatever and whenever it comes. Thanks Landon â€
as someone who used to ult bts but now ults stray kids (bts still has a special place in my heart though), its super annoying and frustrating to me when fanwars break out because those fans dont realize just HOW MUCH their groups have in common! (they also don't realize that their fave idols wouldn't condone their behavior either, but that's another convo)
i fell in love with stray kids for ALL THE SAME REASONS i fell in love with BTS, but people act as if BTS is the only group that's talented, or self made, or grew organically, and any time another group starts to get recognition, people come out of the woodworks to compare them to bts and go "never forget bts paved the way" or "you better thank bts for paving the way" and its just annoying all around for everyone involved. Let BTS be BTS and let other groups be their own groups, im so tired of the comparisons. everyone is talented and hard working, they all deserve the recognition they receive!
Same!
Sometimes I feel like the comparisons come from ARMY because they refuse to let success of other groups go unpunished.
okay but there is nothing wrong with saying bts paved the way????
they did so why shouldn't people say it and acknowledge it??
you say bts and other groups don't want fanwars and that may be true but it's ALSO true that many groups acknowledge what bts did for them and the kpop industry and disagreeing with that is also going against their idols wishes
saying 'bts helped the industry' isn't necessarily saying they aren't doing their own thing (even though the execs do encourage it, which is why the person who made the original video say this, it's mostly against the execs who WANT other groups to be bts 2.0, not the groups themselves)
like saying to acknowledge that bts helped open the door isn't even comparing lol and this goes for all mediums of art etc. that certain things helped make certain styles etc. mainstream
the problem is other fandoms consider it as 'a fight' when it's literally just common knowledge and if people deny it obviously they are egging on army's in return
again, it's not 'comparing' it's acknowledging bts contributed to where your other faves are today which is why we as army's don't like to see people hate on bts when they've helped all their faves even if they aren't 'similar' or to be compared to
we aren't saying they are copying them
They are not the only group that's talented, or self-made, or grew organically. However, they are the only group that's been all three that has achieved the current level of success. And regardless of your feelings about it, many idols have stated that they feel BTS did pave the way for them- Kard, Jackson Wang, Ailee, Shinhwa- the latest, Hoshi from Seventeen, made a point of telling Suga this repeatedly: not only that SVT feels this way, but 'so many groups would say this'. (Feb 9: the two sat down for a drink together and ended with Suga showing Hoshi his studio and buying him a meal.)
That's why it's a bone of contention; you even touched the point yourself when you said 'their fave idols wouldn't condone their behavior either.' If the idols can acknowledge that BTS has opened up the door for them to be more successful, why are their fans so determined to deny it? And yet, this statement which *originated in Korea* has been picked up by Westerners in various K-fandoms and adamantly denied.
And yes, you're right, there are times when alleged BTS fans crash other fandom discussions to praise and compare BTS, which is annoying. Rather the way you're crashing this thread to praise SKZ and assure us they did everything just like BTS did. Which, of course, they did not. Hard work, yes. Originality, yes. Awesome teamwork, yes. Just like BTS, no, and it's actually not very good of you to imply it. Bang Chan, for one, would *not* thank you for the comparison, I think. He admires BTS tremendously, but he doesn't want his group to be 'like BTS'. He wants them to be THE Stray Kids.
We will keep saying BTS paved the way whether it annoys you or Not because they did.
Your fave group's leader Bangchan confirmed it along with so many idols so why is it hard for you to accept?
We are not here to compare who suffered more than the other. All we know is about BTS and The hardships they had.
If Straykids had hardships,make a video and talk about it if you care because we certainly don't.
This video is about BTS but you had to come here and spew your baseless irrelevant opinion and mention straykids? Aren't you a hypocrite for doing the same thing you accuse Army of?
Anyways as for being ult BTS and now ult straykids or whatever you call yourself now,no one cares. Be whatever you want but if you're NOT an Army,what concerns you with BTS?.
Go and stream some straykids songs and help their career.
Quit exposing your idiocy here.
That's where I disagree with you Landon. I'm sorry but I REALLY don't see many groups trying that hard. Once upon a time I was SUPER impressed by BP's vocals. During their early years, their vocals where insane. Now they can't sing at all and damn the disaster of their tours. You'd think one gets more used to the tour and choreography as they gain more experience, but they were just getting worse. And MANY others artists like. They don't even try as hard as rookie BTS did. And in that i-land series, even BTS's choreographer Mr. Son was frustrated by the lack of passion and hard work put in by the i-land boys. He knew he wasn't gonna get that same drive.
I never watched the Xfactor simply because I couldn't stand Simon Cowell
i don't have time to watch this right now, so idk if they bring it up, but some groups predicted to hit the success of bts haven't been around nearly as long. like stray kids, they've only debuted in 2018 and they already have this much success. idk if the "why they fail" in the og video title is clickbait, but if it's not then lots of groups haven't failed at hitting that success, they just haven't had the time yet. and tbh, considering how it was after bts hit mainstream western ears that their music started to reflect that audience, i kinda hope some of them don't.
once again, though, i haven't watched the video yet and maybe the title is clickbait or something idk. this isn't meant to be dismissive or argumentative btw. felt the need to clarify that given how... passionate some stans can be.
The title is named that way because no one can be âthe next btsâ Bts is bts and whatever group that becomes popular or as popular in the future will have their own name not âthe next btsâ title.
Stray kids is very popular but def not bts popular and ur probably right that itâs bcuz theyâve only been out since 2018.
Idk what u mean by BTS music reflects the âwestern audienceâ and hope others donâtâŠ. if u only meant English songs which they only have 3 then thatâs kinda weird. But Kpop is based off of black music which IS western music.
But anyway, this video mostly talks about headlines and Kpop companies trying to constantly recreate BTSâs success but fail bc of how organic btsâs growth is. The only group similar to btsâs organic growth as of right now that I know of would be seventeen. (Itâs not only because of making ur own music and such cuz stray kids also does this, I mean basically being at the bottom and building up ur company.)
(Iâm also not saying this is the only way to massive success, Iâm just saying seventeen r the only group I know who is similar to bts and their growth.)
No other K-pop group will ever have the same impact as BTS. BTS brought K-pop into mainstream and into the light. BTS caught the attention of the world, whether people liked them or not, BTS made people know about K-pop. BTS kicked down barriers and opened the floodgates for K-pop. Many people started getting interested in K-pop because of BTS, whether in BTS or K-pop in general, BTS made them curious. SK and all of K-pop has and still benefits from what BTS has done for K-pop. It doesn't matter how big any other K-pop group gets, BTS is legendary. BTS made it known that they can stand and compete with any big name artist in the Western music industry. BTS doesn't try to release music/albums only when there are no big-name Western artists' releases. SK is doing good, but there is a big difference from when BTS was a 4 year group, K-pop was still a niche market, to when SK was a four year group, when BTS already made K-pop big globally. Bacause of BTS. K-pop has experienced many firsts, many important ones, and has given hope and dreams to the Kpop community that never in their wildest dreams would think was possible. That's the impact of legends... BTS.
@@zeyv4551 totally agree, their impact can never be recreated!!
Boracity doesn't do clickbait.
@hmmoknessa of course no group will ever be bts, just like bts will never be big bang or the wonder girls or s.e.s. That's why I said the success of bts. It seems uncharitable to immediately determine that no group will ever have their level of impact, considering said impact is still fairly recent and kpop has been growing very quickly over the past few decades. If instead of level of pact, you mean bts' specific impact... then yeah? Of course? Just like bts will never have the specific impact that shinee had. And other groups that paved the way- so to say- for bts.
And yeah, I was referring to those couple of years where bts released a few very big songs that had a huge impact on their own western reach. Those few very significant English songs that are the ones being played on the radio and in grocery stores. Not the other ones that were personal and that they seem to be back to, right? As a fan of many sm groups, I was disappointed in a lot of the superm stuff because it definitely didn't feel genuine to the members. An obvious grab at western audiences, which is the furthest thing from authentic. Am I genuinely upset about it, or the bts songs that felt similar but in a different genre? No, because this is kpop and I have bigger stuff to be upset about. They can do what they want, I don't have any problems with it. Doesn't mean I don't notice it.
Most of kpop and western music alike is taken from Black music, this is a fact. I don't know what point you're trying to make here, considering I am talking about modern music trends which, while taking from Black music, evolve and change and are added to constantly. Kpop can be based off of western music without being made *for* western audiences. Good for them that it helped their reach, but those songs don't feel "organic" in the way people always mention.
As for other groups and other avenues of success, I guess my main thought is who cares? Of course groups that worked their way up deserve respect for it. One of my fave groups is A.C.E, who also started with shit. But everytime someone mentions the skill or growth or success of another group, people are always making sure to mention that it wasn't "organic" because they didn't do it like bts did. That doesn't make them inherently better, and it doesn't make any other group that grows a huge fan base and start to tour in the west or release English songs a bts copycat or anything of the like. If not for Boa is the reason kpop really started getting out of korea and is where it is today, and that includes bts, yet people don't compare them to her whenever they branch out or reach new heights. Idk, it feels like when people sing the legend of the beatles without acknowledging the isley brothers.
Sorry this is so long, I didn't want to be misunderstood and ended up overexplaining myself lol. Once again, no anger or even bitterness here, just my observations. I don't intend to downplay bts' success and impact, rather point out that they also ride the waves of many artists before them, and I'm sure in the future more will even further surpass. That's just how things go.
I don't hate 'other' Kpop groups I'm not happy with some of the underhand tactic's certain Kpop Companies use to try and make certain Kpop groups get into the lime light cough cough BlackPink company is the worst and I think those girls if they had any moral would get out and go elsewhere and find a company that will let them be real artists. I'm not interested in kpop in general it's just doesn't fit with my muscial tastes as a Musician and Vocalist. BTS are the only Kpop group I'll buy their music, stream their music and pay for concert ticket to go hear and see. I don't do that for any other Kpop group. I might give an odd stream to another kpop group for a single song that I might listen to 2 or 3 times but then I'm bored with it and won't give them any more of my time.
Umm is life is still going on a real thing? Wow
About originality, I think that's when TXT is superior. When all the groups follow BTS's concepts, TXT goes against that concept. That's why every comeback is a fresh one!
TXT is a worthy torchbearer for their BTS hyungs đŻ
Hw do all groups follow bts concept?
Personally I donât Stan any other group besides BTS but their are one or some songs from many groups that Iike for example: I
-BP: Shut down and Hard to Love
-Mamamoo: Piano Man and Where are We Now
-MonstaX: Who do you love, someoneâs someone, the dreaming
-TXT: Cown and 0X1=Lovesong
-BTOB (underrated in my opinion): Beautiful Pain, Pray, Butterfly, Dance With Me
-The Rose (underrated in my opinion): Childhood, definition of ugl is, sorry, sheâs in the rain
EtcâŠ
I do think a lot of the groups that are big right now are very talented but most of their music isnât for me. I also donât like most of their companies/fans/etc. downgrade BTS to promote their groups, etc.
Also I donât like when people point out that this groups has this many comparisons to those group and that is why you should like them. Their are many ARMY (including) myself that try and listen to other groups (many songs not just one) but just not for them. Just because their might be similarities with how the members act or whatever doesnât automatically mean we will like their music.
I also donât like when people give one hate because they like one group but donât like any other groups. Like I am a fan of music not groups. So if I like a song I like it no matter the group and if I donât I donâtâŠ.
Just like this video is saying stop comparing and be authentic and let the groups be authentic.
I find this attitude among a lot of ARMYs... Boracity made a vid about that, too, saying that ARMYs are not prejudiced against K-pop. We just don't often get interested in it. She broke it down in her usual excellent fashion, and the general point is that most K-pop is about being visual and catchy. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it, it's just not what ARMYs prefer, musically. And I agree, when I first got into BTS, I checked out some other groups to see if all K-pop was like them. And it wasn't. I respect the idols, and I like some of the songs here and there, but I just don't get into it much. But apparently, to some people, if you're not into at least 5 or 6 groups, you're just anti-K-pop and an awful person. đ
@@ystrw this is so true. I can't get into a lot of kpop groups because I just can't relate to their lyrics. Idk about other people, but nonsense lyrics actually turned me off so much. I would be listening to a song that has good beats, then the rap part came with nonsense lyrics and I immediately skipped the song. There are many songs that has okay lyrics, make sense and has good beats from other kpop groups and they'll get into my playlist. But bts is the only group that I think make consistently good lyrics that just made sense and made me think, wow, they're really talking to us. Its just incomparable.
stray kids is stray kids no need to compare
And they do what they can to distance themselves while remaining respectful to BTSs legacy. Even when they are asked what their goals are, they try to avoid saying anything too specific to avoid accidentally wanting something BTS have.
@@stacie1595 totally agree.. and saying only bts grew organically is totally wrong tbh.they should do some research on those groups they are comparing bts to. SKZ literally yesterday had a concert with 55k people if that doesn't scream organic idk what does
Bro, Stray kids succeed on their own way! Itâs not their fault tho! Itâs their company and media play fault!! The reason she mentioned Stray kids in the vdo because of JYP company and media play!!! As a BTS fan, I can say that Stray Kids succeed on their own way!! Even when they want to achieve like BTS, they canât say it just to avoid scandal and strategy! I knows how they feels but Iâm also happy that BTS has said that they want everyone to make their songs on their own way means their own styles or their story on the honest way because they want them to be succeed just like themselves!!! And Stray kids music is so different then BTS so itâs mean that They have already succeed these challenges!!! But there are still mores to go through! Hope to see them succeed! Actually, I always thought that Stray Kids will be the next generation to be successful!!
@@majasusnjar2714organically bc theyâre not from any of the big 3 companies that have the media and control of the K-pop industry at their fingertips. Stray kids have been great on their own and are different from other jyp groups from all Iâve seen watching their predebut show and stuff⊠but they come from jyp which comes with money, connections and exposure that BTS did not have⊠they had to build it on their own⊠like videos of them being excited about 200 likes on a post lmao they had nothing giving them an edge⊠while groups from the big 3 had that built in. Thatâs what theyâre talking about. I love stray kids⊠100% and support them just as much⊠but it would be a lie to pretend they didnât have opportunities handed to them bc of their company⊠something BTS never had and had to build it from the ground up⊠itâs as organic as you can get in that sense.
As an Army I agree that Straykids is straykids and they are growing organically ...I just hope that their company don't mess that up coz their ceo have this tendencity to be the main character ...I hv seen somewhere that his(ceo) photo was used in some article about straykids music and articles are doing things in the name of 'next BTS thing' with straykids pictures .....let them grow organically they are growing ...they are too good to not grow ..I love Straykids.Organic growth is smthg that you get growing as an artist and have more and more real fans gradually and they are doing it .
I agree with everything except using Stray Kids as an example. They actually do write their own and produce a number of good songs. They are great performers, rappers, and they're still on their way up. Unfortunately I still think the song has to be 90% in English for it to be Top 10 in North America. Sad but true.
itÂŽs not only english. but their music is all over the place. i feel so confused when i listen to their music. i only like one song of theirs. i dont know any of my friends who dont listen to kpop who would like that. sorry to say.
but in general you are right about the language, should be in english. but many groups have done english songs already and they never went global. so the songs also has to be good ti make it.
@@lealarsen2017âI disagree with this completely. Their music is not all over the place but has a different kind of production and influence than you may be familiar with or vibe with. That being said, Iâve shared their music with a lot of people who donât listen to kpop and have actually never had anyone dislike it. On the contrary, Iâve had friends ask me to send more of their music and make them playlists. My kids love stray kids and even my family enjoys their music and MVs, so maybe itâs just the people youâre around.
TBH in my opinion BTS is the #1 in the WORLD, they are the best in everything, performance, talent, singing, dancing, honest humble boys that loves there ARMY as families etcâŠ..no person or group will beat them period. Before those other idols, K-pop and there big agency put BTS so low and said they would not make it and now they all want to be the next BTS pleeeeeeze go away. The ARMY has been with BTS from the start and will protect them no matter what. Im not a fan of any idols or K-pop or western music, Iâm a true ARMY to BTS for LIFE. Thank you for your honest reactions. Love your reactions on BTS. Love you for supporting and loving BTS.
omg i love you hehe i feel the exact same. i have tried listening to other kpop but itÂŽs so far of itÂŽs fake and copy to me. all MV look alike. they all focus on the pretty doll face while singing itÂŽs to barbie dream house to me. BTS bring their soul into their music and MV i saw it on the first MV idol and i have been army ever since
23:35 SHINee!
Yes! đ
there's no "next BTS" because BTS is BTS, Blackpink is Blackpink, Straykids is Straykids and TXT is TXT. They are all talented but just different number of fans.
It's your channel you can post anything you like, but this will only create another fan war which is happening already every second in this toxic kpop comminity.
I'm a multi-fan, I stan multiple groups and you don't know how many times I attempted to stop following kpop because of these stup-d fan wars
I agree - this video was requested by my amazing patrons, so it is something they wanted to see me react to. I have enjoyed seeing BoraCity Magazine's videos because she always makes the best points with ALL the receipts. And those that follow my channel know I do not tolerate any hate, so I'll be monitoring the comments. I won't ever be here for the fan wars. I respect every single artist that goes up and puts their art to the world and hopefully y'all can tell by the video. :) đ I just won't tolerate companies (not the groups themselves, this video is 100% not directed at any group, just the companies) trying to tear BTS down while building up on their names.
I feel like that's what the video is trying to say though. It's a criticism at the labels and the CEOs rather than the groups. At least stop marketing your groups as the next BTS. Let them be themselves. That's all the video is saying if you watch fully.
@@zainablikerain-ab9062 totally this person clearly only watched part of the video before slamming Landon and bora for creating fanwarsđ
@@zainablikerain-ab9062yes their labels destroying their group talents
Havenât watched the whole video yet, but to me, the three most important factors as to why no other kpop band will reach btsâ success is 1. all the solo stans. They listen to bts and thatâs it. No other kpop, doesnât even try.
2. The western market are shutting the door FIRMLY after bts. They love the tour money, but aint no way theyâre ever gonna let kpop overrun their precious grammy.
3. bts had an extremely lucky break. 1st and 2nd gen had already spread kpop through Asia and then Psy cleared the âhaha wacky asian stuffâ out of the way for the western world, 1D had already warmed us up for boy bands and were on the decline, same as the other teen obession, Twilight. There was a gap and bts just happened to be in the right place at the right time.
We do listen to bad bunny, Eminem, Taylor Swift, Nicki Minaj and about kpop a few song get into my playlist but not much bcz I want my music to have a impact just like fake did for me( it's not break up song ' it has a deep meaning behind it)
No one question me ever for listening to only Taylor Swift but when it comes to BTS every one has a issue?
Just leave them alone like you guys did when they were cutoff from broadcast bcz of surpassing big3 company group
Look, in 2014 I began to stan BTS. They were like fresh air, I'm a hardcore Shawol and ELF, and I really liked them. Like REALLY. My bias? Rap Mon. Loved him, really. I needed a tough guy in kpopâĄ
But: when DNA came out, I was like "wow, this sound is kinda.. I don't know. This isn't the BTS i like". Too much autotune, Tae and Jimin's voice couldn't be heard anymore like they used to. Overexposure of Jungkook.. Dunno. Just things I didn't like, so my road as an ARMY got to an end. Curiously THAT'S WHEN THEY EXPLODED in popularity and sales and worldwide fame and all that stuff, and the fandom became an unsafe space for me so I had to go.
Now, 6 years have passed. I still can't grasp what happened. Until "You Never Walk Alone", everything was perfect for me. My guess is just that they changed in a direction that I couldn't follow and THAT'S OK.
We can't expect a new BTS bc they are the result of many factors and experiences that made them who they are. There was kpop before and will be after BTS. Just let them and ARMY enjoy the fruits of their sacrifice.
if you wanna talk about food then bts copied red velvet a
The kpop stans in the comments are making me mad...
The thing is bts is the biggest group in the world because they and army together pioneered a lot of things in the pop music industry. The list is endless.
And under every reaction video to bts a lot of these kpop stans come in and recccommend their groups...
Everytime bts is mentioned somewhere, kpop stans feel the need to bring up their group. I don't know why kpop stans think their groups are somehow related to bts?
They have nothing in common.
I prefer if the entire label of kpop is completely removed from bts cus it allows these people the opportunity to ride on bts's coattails and not give the proper respect to bts.
The same kpop stans then go on to say their groups are nothing like bts, they are their own thing while mentioning them under everything related to bts.
It's giving hypocrisy.
i am not hating on any of the artist but the bottoms of the line is the groups are controlled by the label so what they do is what the label told them to do. some might get more creative freedom than others now a days but itÂŽs still being portrait as copy cats. like the promotion part of the job. doing reality shows talking with fans on weverse and all of that. i dont think any of them really enjoyed it at first but the label said this is the new thing all labels are doing. why not finding some new ideas to make yourself unique.
BTS just made up stuff along the way they planned how their albums should be a keyword they wanted to came across and sing about. the albums was not ment to be a self-help book but it somehow became that. they just followed their heart and made the music they wanted without the label deciding it. TXT is handled differently. but Bang PD also said that BTS was special from the beginning.
and yes the other groups want the fame and money that comes with this lifestyle. they donÂŽt care about the music and donÂŽt want to write their own songs because itÂŽs to much work.
the new groups take bts idea and try to make it better. but that screams fake to me. thatÂŽs why i canÂŽt support the others. like le serrafim bringing a ballet dancer into the mix to give the Jimin effect to the group. and so many other new groups. itÂŽs just sad to look at.
i love some of TXT songs but than again they also fell into the BTS wagon and i am to old to fall for that. from the promoting point of view. Musically they are different from kpop they sound more western thatÂŽs why i like them more than the other groups. I only enjoy some of their music i am not a kpop fan i fand it really noisy. but BTS is unique i loved the first song and i dont think i have ever heard a song i dont like since. BTS was so unique from the start and still is.
Sorry to burst your bubble but BTS did not invent kpop reality content G.O.D. had the first show in 2000 and it was a huge success that companies followed.
Sorry to burst your bubble but BTS were not the only ones to start with nothing and work their way up with real genuine heartfelt lyrics and music. Seventeen had to self choreograph and drive themselves to each music show and even used scotch tape for their broken headsets which they bought themselves. They did all this and they were not copying anyone.
Sorry to burst your bubble but BTS did not invent the Weverse concept. Vlive came first and they were not the first artists on it. It Iaunched in 2015 and many if not all groups from that era were on it all at once.
I think you get my drift and honestly, replying like this is tiring because i did fact check before writing this and I have many more example that prove that your opinions are overly biased and misinformed to the point that I find it funny.
Now, maybe you meant to say BTS POPULARIZED these aspects of the Korean pop industry and I would agree with you but they dont OWN them like they have patents and copyrights. Riding a trend or wave in pop culture is not new and artist all get inspiration from each other. ITs called EVOLUTION. Now you have every right to your own music tastes but there is no need to accuse artist/company of being "fake" or "copy cats" because that is just RUDE.
@@kenjiyo5782 idk you might me right but before BTS did it i didnÂŽt see anything on youtube they made it impossible to not look so they made it mainstream and yes i know seventeen has a similar upbringing i did see sugas show with hoshi but did you see what hoshi said to suga about BTS? "everyone is saying it". if he is lying too then who do you believe? i never said they invented these shows but they made it popular so now everyone is doing the same.
or they actually donÂŽt have a choise anymore if they want to become mainstream. all i ment was if they want to start a realityshow than make something new and different. if everyone make an episode about going to jeju island than itÂŽs not really unique anymore. i see similar shows like run bts from every artist by now and many do in the soop and travel vlogs too. not saying they should stop but for me looking from the outside only see the same. they could come up with something unique instead of just making the same kind of show and vlog
Actually bts are not the best K-pop boy group.. they are just lucky to have a fan that promote them, also they gain popularity when youtube and social media started to be available.. when we say bts are not the best it is not because we are jealous especially pointing out their talent they don't have a special talent... their are a lot of underrated boy group who are better than them... please stop saying next bts or bts are the best.. especially people who just came to know K-pop doesn't have the right to say it... sorry to say this but I really don't like this video..... the video is too bias.. the video owner is also too bias.. unsubscribing it....
BTS are the best Global Artists not kpop group anymore. They are Global worldwide Artist. And NO they are not lucky, everything thay have they all worked hard. Imagine debuting in a small company,the struggles to promote their group,the journey to the top was not overnight. They used social media coz they are not privileged like the groups from big companies. The Army's grew with them,and all the new Army appreciate their songs and Music that they worked hard. Obviously you don't know anything about them so better keep quiet!