Raining Lies! Indian Christian Vs Abbas & Imran | Speakers Corner | Hyde Park
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Mash Allah nothing stops our brothers giving dawah 😊
This is giving Dawah Or arguing.
Masha allah. Even though the muslim brother protecting him from the rain. If he weren't blind. This was a big miracle.
In islam. All is about humanity.
Your prophet owned and traded blck slaves ...He married a child ...He owned s*x slaves... Wheres the humanity in that???
@@georgebetts8931
Muslim scholar..
The air is hot because of the hell fire..🤣😂💩
Hadits Shahih Al-Bukhari No. 502 - The Book of Prayer Times
حَدَّثَنَا أَيُّوبُ بْنُ سُلَيْمَانَ بْنِ بِلَالٍ قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو بَكْرٍ عَنْ سُلَيْمَانَ قَالَ صَالِحُ بْنُ كَيْسَانَ حَدَّثَنَا الْأَعْرَجُ عَبْدُ الرَّحْمَنِ وَغَيْرُهُ عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ وَنَافِعٌ مَوْلَى عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ عُمَرَ عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ عُمَرَ أَنَّهُمَا حَدَّثَاهُ عَنْ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ أَنَّهُ قَالَ إِذَا اشْتَدَّ الْحَرُّ فَأَبْرِدُوا عَنْ الصَّلَاةِ فَإِنَّ شِدَّةَ الْحَرِّ مِنْ فَيْحِ جَهَنَّمَ
Have told us Ayyub bin Sulaiman bin Bilal said, have told us Abu Bakr from Sulaiman said, Salih bin Kaisan has told us Al A'raj 'Abdurrahman, and other than Abu Hurairah and Nafi' former slave 'Abdullah bin 'Umar , from 'Abdullah bin 'Umar that both of them told him from the Prophet sallallaahu 'alaihi wasallam, that he said: "If the air is very hot, then postpone the prayer, because the heat that is very stinging comes from the blowing of the fire of hell."
@@adityawisnu2810 Muhammad is in Hell for what he did....
Bro graduated at WhatsApp university lol
😭😭😭 you made me my day bro!!
Telegram university 😂😂
Tbh I missed him so much 😂
But still I pray to Allah to guide him if guidance is written in his fate
MaschaAllah
Brother Imran is indeed very well-educated.
So, this is like a senior professor explaining cosmology to a helpdesk operator
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His smile while pointing to abbas is the smile when you get humbled 😂
Heckle came again?
He is immune to shame.
from 3OO Gods to 3 at least he is improving :D
Next step is One and the Only God
May Allah guide him
Lol, classic 🤣 👌 😂
I listened to a lecture by the man he referenced named Ahmed Al-Jallad. He basically stated the opposite of what this christian guy Arun claimed. ie. Safaitic inscriptions confirm that there was no monotheism in Arabia, rather there was a large number of dieties to which many stones were erected and to which people at that time presented burnt offerings. A complete fail on Arun's part, yet again. If you are interested just check the video, "An Invocation to Jesus in Safaitic Inscription" go to the 9:15 part of the lecture to confirm what I have written.
Just did, and you are right.
Are you sure you have the same lecture? as soon as I heard Arul projectile vomit, i remembered the following
czcams.com/video/DjGyhRAJwpc/video.html
Jallad implies monotheism and Allah existed before 6th century and that paganism was starting to decrease before Mohammed, pbuh, which has led to the desperados aching to prove Islamic history as disingenuous with these supposed evidences.
@@Noorfollower
This is going to be a bit long, so please bear with me (I will have to break my response to parts so I can post it as a comment, but please do read on as I promise I will try to be as concise as possible)
In my opinion, the problem with what Arul is doing, is that Arul appears to be too desperate to discredit Islam, that he straw manned the Muslim narrative and also straw manned what Dr Ahmad Aljallad himself said (which you yourself have posted an extract of in the video you posted in your comment)
The way Arul presented the argument, he has distorted the issue by falsely framing both what Dr Ahmad Aljallad said and also what the Muslim narrative says, So let me try to unpack that for you, and please feel free to respond with your thoughts.
The first false framing is straw manning the Muslim narrative by claiming that the Muslim narrative says that Arabia before the advent of Islam was totally polytheistic and that it was only Islam that introduced monotheism in Arabia that didn’t exist before which is not at all what the Muslim narrative says. So that’s the first misrepresentation of the facts that Arul is making in his argument.
The traditional narrative does identify monotheism as being part of the religious landscape, and they are referred to as “ḥunafā”. The historical narrative also identifies Judaism and Christianity as being part of the religious landscape but the real question is what do people mean when they use the word monotheism.
Because the confusion that Arul is inserting into the discussion comes from defining “the mushrikoon” who are usually referred to in English as “the polytheists” while implying that the definition of polytheism and the defense of monotheism are identical to the way we understand and classify polytheism and monotheism in the twenty first century. But, to my knowledge, this is totally unhistorical even according to western academic standards.
If you listen to lectures by Dr Bart Ehrman, he himself makes that point about how people now misunderstand how people understood divinity in early Christianity. In our current times, we tend to think of God as the Divine that is separated from the Mortal creation, which wasn’t the case in those days in early centuries CE who viewed divinity as a spectrum instead of two polar opposites. So peoples understanding of the Divine in those centuries was more fluid (which I believe Islam totally helped in accelerating this understanding of monotheism with its challenge to how people viewed the Divine in those days and helped crystallize our understanding of monotheism as we understand it today as a total and complete distinction between what is Divine and what is not Divine particularly when trinitarians to this day have a murky definition of what they consider Divine with their views on the relationship between the son and the father. You can add to this that based on my understanding of the lectures I regularly watch of scholars like Dr Bart Ehrman and James Tabor and other, I can see from their work that we can trace the Divine/Mortal fluidity not only in early Christianity but also early Judaism and the rest of elements of the religious landscape in those early times)
@@Noorfollower
Also Keep in mind, the traditional Muslim narrative also identify that “the mushrikoon” already believed Allah was the supreme deity that created everything. And Dr Ahmad Aljallad himself in the video you posted made reference to verses from the Quran itself that further enforce this point, so to my knowledge, “the mushrikoon” were not claiming that their idols were the supreme Creator of the heavens and earth, nor were they claiming their idols were coequal to the Creator of the heavens and earth but rather “the mushrikoon” were claiming their idols were intercessors and intermediaries that only helped them to get closer to Allah (which Dr Ahmad Aljallad in the video you posted made reference to the position that Patricia Crone had which is that these old gods represented by those idols were reimagined as Angles and subordinate beings to God that received devotion from “the mushrikoon” and were intercessors and intermediaries that only helped them to get closer to Allah, which is consistent with what the Quran says anyway)
Interestingly enough, for me at least, is that the argument that Dr Ahmad Aljallad is putting forward, shows how the religious practice of “the mushrikoon” is similar to what is still happening in Catholicism in using Mary and the Saints as intermediaries to get to God, despite Catholics not claiming that neither Many nor any of the Saints are the supreme Creator of the Universe himself, and even Jesus Christ himself is used to get to the father (which is a whole different discussion but it helps demonstrate this point further). But I am saying that this point is interesting, because some scholars (who tend to be either Christian or funded by Christians) have made the claim that the Quran made a mistake in Surah AlMaeda in the verse where Allah asks Jesus Christ
“"O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allāh?'" Jesus will say, "Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right.”
And the interesting part is that the argument that Dr Ahmad Aljallad is putting forward, addressed and responded to this claim despite it not being the core argument that Dr Ahmad Aljallad is concerned with !!!
Because we know from the Quran that “the mushrikoon” knew Allah was the Creator, so it wasn’t necessarily that they claimed that their idols were the Creator himself, just like Catholics don’t claim Mary or the Saints were the Creator himself, But what “the mushrikoon” did was use their idols as intermediaries between them and Allah, and claimed their devotion to those intermediaries gets them closer to Allah, who, in their belief, was the supreme deity anyway.
So apply that logic to Catholicism and you get your clarification of what the Quran is saying
@@Noorfollower
I hope you can clearly see now how Arul is using our current understanding of Monotheism and polytheism to label the beliefs of the “the mushrikoon” in a way to wrongly frame the argument despite that this wasn’t how people living in the first half of the first century CE understood divinity, but it was rather the uncompromising radical monotheism that the Quran presented and that was taught by prophet Mohammed was instead what shaped the understanding of monotheism that we have today (obviously as Muslims we claim that this pure monotheism has always been the true teachings of God and was not a new thing that the Quran is introducing but rather that the message of pure monotheism that all messenger of God brought, got tainted and corrupted by human beings as time passed on which necessitated a correction, hence, God sent a prophet to correct the corruption)
I hope this clarifies my opinion of how Arul has misrepresented what the traditional Muslim narrative says and also what Dr Ahmad Aljallad said in a way to falsely frame the claim he is making.
Send him to Manipur they will teach this Christian sincerity 😂😂
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brother try not to be mean cause we have to be better have u ever viewed a Soco comment section lets not be like them lets be better
literally the best tumbnail , raining lie,
He definitely wanted those home office points today
Don't you like immigrants then???
This Indian guy want the home office to see this and give him leave to remain in the UK 😂😂😂 well done imran keep it up brother👍👍
Typical hate from a Muslim
within the first 2 minutes the Arul Christian started to poop his pants when asked about evidence & was intellectually Owned by Imran
Yeah Arul then need a toilet to relieve....
😂😂😂
Once you ask a Christian blood drinker vampire to bring the evidence they strat running away 😂😂
@invaderopbr oxxxoviioxxiii The moment you question a Christian, the color of life begins to drain from his/her face, pretends that he/she didn't get it, they digress and answer it with a diabolical/irrelevant question about Islam or Qur'an.
Running with their tails stuck right up to their A****** is in the DNAs of all 'Christians'...is the only escape they know.
Honesty gives YOU the Courage to Speak The TRUTH, something Christians are alien to.
This know-all rude Arul, the baptized Indian hindu thinks he is cat's whiskers.
But the Muslims never ever provided Quran verse. I got so bored I left
@@kM-ij2lycool
@@kM-ij2ly if for the verses of the Al quran..do you believe.?
@@JAJA-qs1gk None it is a book NOT from God
Arul go back to Manipur India helping the Christian over there instead of disturbing Muslim at speaker corner
The more he LIES the harder the rain falls💦
Great work
If you read Ahmad al Jalal's paper on, "An Outline of the Grammar of Safitic Inscriptions", he never once cites Laile Nahmé, and if you read Nahme's paper titled, "The religious landscape of North-west Arabia as reflected in the Nabataean, Nabataeo-Arabic, and pre-Islamic Arabic inscriptions." She very clearly shows that the Nabateans, even in the 500s were still praying and deifying other gods and had panethons of gods.
Brother abbas doing his best not to laugh
The rain 😮😮😮
So jalal's "recent work" which is interpreting naymis work of syrian/jordanian inscriptions to say the arab world was only monotheist 😂😂😂
Arul is such a big lier . According to him in one of debates with hashim he was claiming infinity to have a number 😂😂 with soo much confidence.
This christian just talks for the sake of talking, you can tell from his body language and facial expressions .
bro did he really said arabian people were monothiest before the prophet peace be upon him they were other way round [polothiest] that is even why the prophet scw was sent i thin he graduated hatun's university
no more arguments so they need to make some new bs
Good old Arul the quran shareef thrower
NEVER GIVES UP
NIL KNOWLEDGE
A REAL INDIAN CLOWN 😂
👍👍👍👍👍
Part 2
Bro 's source is the same as their Bible's source: Trust me bro.....
Is this the best they got now ?
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If those people he named are such establish scholar why it is difficult to find them via google. The Laila Namis I found are one is a microbioligist, another is the head of business intelligence, and another one an artist. Hish.
i like indian guys, they are funny 😂
Ho are thy ???
"Why Christians Lies Only, They are like Shias Who does Taqiya"
I tried so hard to not comment but..
I am from Iraq and we lived there and our tripes came from all around the Jzera Arabia, I never heard of language call Sfiati😅 this is disaster 😂
Arabic language is oldest language in that area, it’s even before Hebrew or Aramaic, the root of the language goes back to ( Jabaria) it’s way before 5-6 thousands years..
this guy is smoking crack, the Arab used to worship idols, there’s tons of idols left in some places and some where destroy hundreds years ago, the history of Arabia is well documented and no one denied it.. except those clowns 🤡
Arul never finishes .... bruh you know , when you make such claims bring evidence with you, as you always mention.
11:25 You can finish your point. Says after repeated interruptions, and seconds before ending the clip.
Bravo muslim debaters, i am sure your none of your followers were anyways interested in the point of safayatic(?!) languages. They just came to see you interrupt the other person.
This Heckler tried to play academicer but he is using lies, but not Infront of Dr Imran 😂
He slaps intellectually every stupid lier😂
Dude doing research at Wiki Islam 😂
I have seen numerous videos were our Muslim brothers have silenced this visa preacher he is shameless
They want Islam to be lie soo bad SubuhanAllah these shaytan will stoop low to do anything but Allah Azzawajjal said this Deen will prevail even though he disbelievers don’t like it.
The Muslims never provided the Quran verse
I got so bored I left
Unitarian Christianity follows more to the teachings of JesusChrist in the Bible and they are much closer to Islam.
The Trinity (Orthodox,Catholic and Protestant with its many denominations) follows more of Paul's teachings in the Bible and the Church's teachings (doctrines&dogmas) outside the Bible. They generally ignore Jesus words and teachings in the Bible.
These Christians are all confused, slamming each other of heresy even though they read the same Bible. IT ALL STARTED when they made God becomes a Human (John 1:1) and a Human becomes God (Roman 14:9). These Christians need to know the Concept of God first. What God is. What God is not.
Islam came to straighten all their confusions.
There is One God (Father),
there is a Man who is God's Prophet and Messenger (JesusChrist),
and there is an Angel/Spirit (Gabriel) who is an intermediary between God and Man.
The ONE we should be worshipping is only One God (Father).
That is it. No mystery. No language or mind gymnastics.1+1+1=1.
Read the Bible.
Differentiate between Paul&Church and JesusChrist, pbuh teachings. Having a RedLetterBible helps.
The followers of Paul and the Church teachings in the Bible are Christians.
The followers of JesusChrist teachings in the Bible are Muslims (Jews do not accept JesusChrist as a Messiah). JesusChrist declared his Syahadah in John 17:3. Christians better listen to what JesusChrist has to say in the Bible and not anyone else. Not Paul. Not the Church. Just focus on JesusChrist words and teachings in the Bible only.
Notice how at every turns/verses, JesusChrist a Jew, contradicted Paul the Pharisee and the Church teachings. Not Jews, Not Muslims but JesusChrist himself. In the Bible.
Who do you follow...who do you listen to....JesusChrist or Paul or the Church...????
Caught red handed. Shame on you c cult
You don't have evidence don't talk get your evidence first then talk.
Indian Donkeyman made fomous by Shamsi😂😂😂😂
Why cut the video and not let this man finish his claim? Not a good look for the channel...
Why do you guys speak to this guy every time he comes to talk all he says is lies and he has no shame if you have to resort to lies to prove something your not right your view is wrong
Arul is soo annoying
The air is hot because of the hell fire..🤣😂💩
Hadits Shahih Al-Bukhari No. 502 - The Book of Prayer Times
حَدَّثَنَا أَيُّوبُ بْنُ سُلَيْمَانَ بْنِ بِلَالٍ قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو بَكْرٍ عَنْ سُلَيْمَانَ قَالَ صَالِحُ بْنُ كَيْسَانَ حَدَّثَنَا الْأَعْرَجُ عَبْدُ الرَّحْمَنِ وَغَيْرُهُ عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ وَنَافِعٌ مَوْلَى عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ عُمَرَ عَنْ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ عُمَرَ أَنَّهُمَا حَدَّثَاهُ عَنْ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ أَنَّهُ قَالَ إِذَا اشْتَدَّ الْحَرُّ فَأَبْرِدُوا عَنْ الصَّلَاةِ فَإِنَّ شِدَّةَ الْحَرِّ مِنْ فَيْحِ جَهَنَّمَ
Have told us Ayyub bin Sulaiman bin Bilal said, have told us Abu Bakr from Sulaiman said, Salih bin Kaisan has told us Al A'raj 'Abdurrahman, and other than Abu Hurairah and Nafi' former slave 'Abdullah bin 'Umar , from 'Abdullah bin 'Umar that both of them told him from the Prophet sallallaahu 'alaihi wasallam, that he said: "If the air is very hot, then postpone the prayer, because the heat that is very stinging comes from the blowing of the fire of hell."
Dead God worshiper 💩
Arul...woww woww werrrlddd leader...the 4th is curryboy
Hindu Christian Clown 🤣
A word of advice for Arjun, the compulsive liar, next time you try to make a claim publicly like you're trying to in this video - just have the evidence ready. Simple. None of this "I'll bring the printouts next time etc" because you, me, and everyone else knows that ain't happening.
Muslims shahada.. lie lie la lie lie a lie lie 🤭🤭
Go worship a statue of a corpse pagan 😂
And yet this so called 'lie' is having more success worldwide compared to Christianity, which is dying fast
The Holy Spirit is losing to a lie LOL😂😂😂
Your fraud prophet is liar then. He claims islam will be the smallest religion during end times.
Without lies pislam dies 🤭🤭
With lie, Satan is victorious.
Narrow is the way to heaven. Broader is the way to hell and al-lah is the satan and Islam is the hell.🤭🤭
It's different language you fool
Abdool claim 1 quran. But in reality 100 different quran. 100k Hadids, tafsers,translations and all contradictions each other 🤭🤭
Get rid of the spirit in you. It’s satanic
Generally God Doesn't guide who lie continuously.. So Be alert.. We Don't know when we will die
@@robinjifat4404 ridiculous accusation. Just confirms what I always suspect. You know nothing
@@trytobkind are you a scholar?
@@robinjifat4404 I’m still learning, fortunately not from the likes of you