Which Amsteel Climbing Stick Attachment Method is Best? Daisy Chains, Rope Mods, or Whoopie Slings?
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- čas přidán 5. 08. 2021
- In this video I compare and contrast popular climbing stick attachment methods including Amsteel daisy chains, Amsteel rope mods, and Amsteel whoopie slings. I also demonstrate the super handy D2 Aider. All of these are made by The Amsteel Guy. You can purchase them on Etsy (www.etsy.com/shop/TheRealAmst..., or from Eastern Woods Outdoors (doublesteps.com/product-categ....
I found that with the daisy chain, I get a very tight lock when I take the chain under the button, then take it back about 8"-12" and slide the tail end through a loop hole. Then pull it tight! This takes any slack out keeping your stick very tight. At this point you can put a loop around the button, set the stick down and your set.
I've been enjoying your videos. Keep up the great tips.
Another great video. I have really learned so much from all your videos. This was my first season saddle hunting and I really enjoyed it thanks a lot to you and all your videos.
As always, excellent takes and explanations for a variety of methods.
Thanks for the support!
Your videos are so helpful. Much appreciated!
Very informative. Learned a lot and really appreciate the video!
Very informative! Good work!
The problem with the daisy chains is that the loops are too big, in other words, too much space between the loop knots. When I made mine, I used my 2 fingers as a measure to make the Brommell lock in the chain, this means that the loops barely fit over the button, however, the loops are closer together, much better chance of finding the correct loop for the button. hope this helps
I like the 1/4" am steel and the micro cleat sold at Eastern Woods. Thats a sweet combination. The micro cleat was probably not available when you shot this video. Great content!
Great video, really helped me make a decision
Great info! Thank you sir!
I’ve had good luck with using Amsteel Daisy Chains. If I have a particular place where I feel there is too much of a gap then I fasten the daisy chain using a truckers hitch. Gets the stick very tight to the tree. I also do that for the last stick on the climb since its the one I’m going to be standing on the most as I set up everything else.
Great video. Thank you.
The ultimate attachment made by the amsteel guy.
“Hope you guys have a great Fall” as he’s talking about methods to hang sticks or platforms to the tree… 😂😂
Good job
Thanks again for a good video.
I've found there is no perfect way to get up and down the tree for mobile hunters and there are always pros and cons. Thanks for showing these.
You've got that right Paul. Everyone has to decide what they value the most. I'm starting to value packability the most, followed by ease of use. So I'm going to invest in 3 short sticks for the fall that I can pair with my rappel gear. If I can't get high enough, I'll single stick with the last stick.
@@SaddleHunter that sounds like a good plan. Do you use an aider with your sticks?
Seems a Carry As You Go aider would be very useful. I use two straps made from harness material that came with a tree stand I bought several years ago. I get almost 8’ with each stick, but I’m tall too, so that helps.
@@paulcrave3112 I’ve watched your video on that method, it looks pretty slick. I use a Versa aider with these sticks. With shorter sticks I may add a knaider so I can get at least 6 feet per stick.
@@SaddleHunter I’m thinking of getting a three or four step aider just to see if it’s easier. Wouldn’t have to put anything on my feet, but probably wouldn’t pack as easy.
Have you ever considered 2 tether climbing? I’m really wanting to try that. I think it would be slick as heck.
@@paulcrave3112 I’ve got a few multi step aiders and I like them for going up, not so much for coming down. I bought Jerry’s two tether system earlier in the summer and have been practicing with it. I’m planning on a video but it will likely be another month. I like the system as long as I don’t have to deal with a lot of limbs.
You can slide the daisy chain up a bit in the back of the tree to take out some slack before setting it, if there's a particular height you want to set it. That halfway sets the stick before even pushing it down further.
Good tip. I’ve done that a lot in the past but I’ve found by starting it straight I’m better able to judge the setting distance.
If you use a trucker's hitch with the daisy chains it is rock solid with very little sag.
True! But if I'm going the daisy chain route it's because I want a fast and simple attachment. The trucker's hitch on a daisy chain is as much work as the rope mod.
Are you using the 7/64th daisy chain or the 1/8th? Great video as always!!
At what length stick do daisy chains start to show some inferiority? I am running 17" Novix. Thank you
At the end , I hope you guys have a great fall. Thanks a lot. SADDLEHUNTER
Thanks! You as well.
Any lack in safety using amsteel for rope mods? New to saddle/climbing sticks. What little bit I’ve seen indicates climbing rope is safer because of it’s ability to hold a knot vs amsteel.
I purchased some smaller diameter ropes for my sticks but they do not grip the versa button is there a trick to getting them to not sag
I have the daisy chains but don’t use the loops. When I make more I will do a full bury 7/64 into 7/64 , 88” long with a bungee cord loop on the end.
one of the best saddle hunting channels on youtube thx for all the info... just added the cam cleat from eastern woods to my hawk mini waiting for the full bury from the amsteel guy. is there a video on the best way to use the rope with a cam cleat thx....had to put the versa button above the cam cleat little worried how that will work.
Ideally the versa button would be below but utilizing it above will also work fine
You can probably just girth hitch the full bury amsteel around the shaft of the stick, below the cam cleat. I could be wrong but I believe that's how the one-sticks from Eastern Woods Outdoors are built. Thanks for the support!
1/4 inch the best diameter for the hawk heliums?
That's what I use
what is the most Quite method to you? and what one do you use the most.
All of them are quiet, but I think the whoopie sling is the quietest because it sags the least. I like the 1/4" rope mod on these sticks.
Also why not just spin the stick, let it wrape around to line up the amsteel daisy chain.
Can you rope mod with a daisy chain style. 7/64” rope? Or not recommended
It's to small to get trapped under the versa button. It just slips out.
I tried this when I first started to use Amsteel. Had the stick kick out and the “knot” was so tight I had to cut the Amsteel to get the stick down
Another great video! Have you tried a Whoopie Daisy?
Thanks man, no I haven't. I've actually haven't done any business with Backwoods Mobile yet, but they sound like a great option.
@@SaddleHunter Right on. Mike's a really good guy.
For the DIY guy/gal they are fairly easy to make as well. The "Whoopie" section doesn't have to be very big (because it's just to tighten between links) so not real messy either. Of course, anything DIY is "use at your own risk".
Is an 1/8” rope mod ok for my mission platform?
used the 1/4" rope mod on my mission, found there was a lot of "fiddle factor" tying it with the small step on the top of the post and the platform collapsed partially, went back to the cam buckle and strap, lots faster, easier to manipulate. Just my opinion.
@@arthurcarstens yea I started doing the same, went back to the strap. Took me for ever it seemed to keep my top teeth to stay on the tree. I’m pretty sure my rope mod skills are lacking but the one strap just for the platform is the way to go
@@bassamaticfpv4354 yes sir I agree
Maybe i should change to 1/4 in amsteel mods, i will try one out. Thanks
I like the 1/4” the best.
If you land between loops on the daisy chain and can not tilt the stick sideways. Just twirl your free end with your finger to shorten it up a bit.
That's a good tip as well!
Why not just turn the stick around with daisy chain going under the versa or bolt with washer to take up stack to re aline a loop
I use the whoopee slings for mine but i put the biggest loop i can and then rape it around the stick. I do like the short looped amsteel exstenders. need to get some ASAP. Thanks Great Video and info.
Thanks for watching!
"I hope you guys have a great fall!" Pun intended?
Sticks are loud pulling down in the bark
You’ve got that right. I think the rope mods have even more noise because they start tighter to the tree than the daisy chains.
Daisychain is the best way to go you’re just not doing it right do you want to go underneath the button come back two or three holes bring your slack through tighten down to where your rope is parallel and then go back to your button
One tip I see NOONE ever do, I can’t stand seeing guys put a stick to a tree and slap their face on it or hold it with their chest than proceed to struggle to get the rope/strap around the tree, to ultimately not even have the stick where they “put” it…so lay the strap/rope over the top step and use the stick as a “pole” and feed it around the back and grab the rope/strap. Then set the stick. Eliminates the face bashing, stick hassle of a time. Simple
Yeah that would work great with long sticks like these modified heliums. How's it work on short sticks?
@@SaddleHunter I use 17in…super easy. If you are referring to anything shorter…anything longer than your hand with always help.
Nice