Sergeant Stops Officers Annoying Citizen
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That first cop was very chill, the dude said he didnt consent to him approaching any further and he actually stepped back and said no problem lol
@bigwaverider True, but the cop used good de-escalation technique and gave him some distance.
@@adamtennant4936 And the guys was still an asshole.
he stood back because he saw his gun, which is why when he stepped back he put his hand on his gun. He was a good guy, just saying
He was fair but the problem is ALL cops in ALL countries are trained to demand your details/ id knowing full well that most of the time you are entitled to withhold them.
@@NoodlesTBograt And first cop did it the right way, second cop... not so much.
Black cop’s body language: “it’s not that deep bro , I’m just doing my job🤷🏾♂️”
EXACTLY LOL
"I wont allow it but I wont resist"
... To be honest with you guys, I'm not really "Pro Cops" or anything but after that sentence I would've asked that dude if he has taken any form of Drugs because he's highly awkward and confusing. Is it a "Yes", a "No" or simple a "I tryin' hard to act like I would have much knowledge about the Laws and stuff because I do "the Law" alot, guys"?
Jeez, imagine to deal with such a person, I wouldn't have the patience - Either I would just walk away and say "Whatever mate." or I would tase him first and than say "Whatever mate" while walkin' home.
Woke white people LMAO
@@DaroriDerEinzige And that's why oh so luckily you're not a cop.
@@Ezio742 *luckily not a Citizen of 'murica.
In Germany it's quite normal that you simple give your ID Card to an Police Officer, so that he can check if there's a warrant issued against you or anything else.
In fact, often you get your ID checked before anything gets controlled or so - For an example, I have my driver licence for over 10 years, if I get pulled over they see that and look up if I've a History of DUI - Then they see that I don't have any and they simple say:
"Have a nice day :) Thanks for stoppin'."
The whole thing is over in under five Minutes.
That's how it should work :)
That first officer did a damn good job IMO. I mean A+, even though he requested information he didn't deserve, he still didn't try to force him to provide that information. He LITERALLY stepped away when asked to not approach, he called for an officer just to make sure he was handling the call correctly, and he didn't unnecessarily escalate at virtually any point. This cop needs a raise and to be kept on the force as long as possible
Agreed!
tbf he is a good guy but its questionable why he tries to investigate while not investigating did the caller identify the "suspect" and thats why they are so pushy or why is a call "man dressed black with camera" even worth a police investigation ? Like ATA said if u entertain this kind of call then everyone dressed black which is one of the most common clothing with a camera is suddenly a police call which would take away attention from real threats.
@@gecgoodpasi1654 that's a problem with the system, not with this specific officer. He doesn't control procedure, his department does. We arent grading his department, we are grading him. He did what he was forced to do by his superiors, that's how chain of command works.
Right. They can ask, nothing wrong with a consensual contact. It's after help arives... weird! Super helpful
I say a A. But certainly better than an A-!
That first cop is PRECISELY the type of officer that I grew up respecting. I still DO respect cops like him.
They're just a dying breed
@@mintjulius275I live around here. There's a few like him. One was actually and acted exactly same when he was doing security at the college I went to. Him and his partner pulled me over one time. I was leaving work at 6 am. I worked 3rds. Got yanked for loud music. He goes. There's no point with this kid. Write him all the tickets he won't care. Cgp are horrible. Ottawa cops they are all like that. Havnt met a bad one.
Why do you feel that need to respect them ?
So as someone who lived in Ohio. I’ve had two interactions with the first officer. Very nice guy, actually stopped me from being arrested on a misunderstanding. All around good guy
That's good to hear! (Not sarcastic)
That's great to hear. I hope we get more officers like him
Officer Bargonier seems to be a good cop. Hopefully, he goes far within the force.
He seems like a good guy I agree
He's definitely not hostile or rude. He is acting like a nice guy.
I feel like the first cop didn’t deserve the attitude
They all deserve the attitude
@@paddysgirl2098 shut up
@@James-hm3jk shut up
@@paddysgirl2098 wow ur so quirky hating cops look at you
@@paddysgirl2098 damn ur so cool
The first officer was actually very nice. Those are the kinds of people we need
The first officer was pretty chill and professional. It was just a strange situation. He seemed to just want to do his job and not cause any problems.
The guy filming seemed awkward. He wasn't doing anything illegal but made the situation a little weirder than needed.
Seriously, he made the entire thing awkward. The officer was already there for someone acting suspicious and then he meets this dude talking like a goon.
@@LordChrome375 lol I really don't know what he was thinking. Maybe he was trying to push the boundaries to see how far he could take it. I don't really see any other reason unless to just be weird.
@@miniard11b especially since he's supposedly so concerned with rights, yet acts like he can tell the cop where to stand
@@NeverNude it’s just a strange incident lol. It just seems unnecessary to me and makes no sense.
Most interactions with law enforcement are awkward, so what are you talking about?
The black copper was one of the best examples of policing I've seen, he's a true professional, no ego.
Actually he dosent act this way to black people with guns.
@@pac-vy1nj how in the fuck would you know
@@pac-vy1nj ???
@@pac-vy1nj And the race card is used once again. Why would you say that? What a shame.
Agreed
The other officer came in like “let me show this other officer how it’s done” and got dismissed 😂
The other officer came in to play the bad cop in their tandem good cop/bad cop. They already had it practiced to perfection.
Classic case of good cop / bad cop
They don’t even work on the same PD. If you’re going to pull good cop/bad cop you’d probably want to do it with someone you see more often
FACTS! 😂
Other officer was very close. Please- the dragon's jaws were just there, eh? Please replace the subject with your desired scary-beast. :/
I like how within about 20 seconds of hearing about the call, the Sergeant is basically rolling his eyes about how stupid this whole thing is and just ends the investigation likely thinking "what a waste of everybody's time."
That's the biggest thing I noticed. I'm all for people exercising their rights, but sometimes people don't have anything better to do. Besides, the cop only rolled up on him because someone reported it. It's not normal behavior to be walking around open carry anymore, so people freak out. I'm totally with you on the sentiment that the Sargeant thought it was a waste of time.
Me too. @@rixmail93292
@@rixmail93292 In Ohio a LOT of people open carry. I don’t personaly own a gun, but I live in suburbs in Ohio, see it all the time. No big deal honestly.
@@rixmail93292it might be "not normal" but guess what it's legal people just need to mind their own damn business we in the United States are a nation of laws those laws specify what we can and cannot do within parameters specifically stated so if something is not forbidden it's allowed as someone from Michigan open carry is legal simply cause there is no state level law that prohibits it that also doesn't mean that there's not a statute or ordance on the county or local level that prohibits it it just means its legal on the state level again people just need to stop being paranoid karens and mind their own damn business
First cop has the attitude all cops need. He was literally doing his job responding to a call lol and very well at that. Didn’t escalate, wasn’t rude, didn’t accuse him of anything. Incredible props.
Black cop got my respect 💯 didn’t jump conclusions or nothing and respond with no attitude the whole 16 mins
Which one was the "black" cop? The guy wearing all black? The video clearly records their names. Does the officer have enough of your respect to have a name?
True that...
@@travelinman70 .-.
Facts
BECAUSE THE GUY WAS WHITE IF IT HAD BEEN HIS OWN KIND A BLACK GUY WOULDN'T HAVE GONE DOWN LIKE THIS AT ALL.
Officer 1 called the sergeant because he knew officer 2 was problematic.
Yeah, I suspected that too. He was fine talking to him alone but when his buddy showed up, I think he got worried it was going too far.
Totally
Agreed
Yesssss!
Couldn't have expressed that any better.
@Con Weav If you say what officer 1 is true, then i applaud officer 1 even more for realizing officer 2 is going to be a problem and calling a supervisor to stop the situation from escalating. I mean officer 1 may have not known how to exactly handle situation, but had enough training and common sense to call for some who does. Instead of officer 2 trying to bully and bluff citizen and exacerbate the situation. Especially since the wasn't a situation to exacerbate.
The people calling 911 must never be anonymous.
And they must be held accountable for making a false report.
The caller may have been the "suspicious person". Just trying to get a police response
I love the interaction between Officer Vance and the citizen. Vance pulled up, asked what the complaint was, asked four questions to the citizen, asked who called the complaint in, and said that their job was done and completed this all in about 2 minutes. This officer is a shining example of what a police officer should strive to be; respectful to citizens, concise and to the point, ask actual meaningful questions, and complete an interaction within a citizens rights.
The first officer was just trying to make friends with the awkward kid at school.
fr the guy filming was so annoying
@@michaellatham4890 When he said to call me "bossman" all basic respect for the camera guy left.
@@EustaBAracer Agreed
@@BlondieSL Not necessarily in this case. He was simply trying to make conversation. The black cop was so chill
@@BlondieSL He is however, allowed to ask for his name. And mr Bossman had to supply that information IF he had gotten detained because he was under suspicion of possible crime. And that alone is enough for the officer to ask for address, name, and an explanation of the man's actions. That does vary from state to state, so I could be wrong for this particular state
That first officer seems like a genuinely good guy. I wish we had more LEO's like him.
D’ante is a good guy. No comment about the others.
Agreed.
@@ihavediabetestoo he seems like a solid officer. He's digging but he's not trying to force the man.
he seemed like a good guy but he continued to press on and on about his name even after all suspicion had been dispelled that the filming person was doing something illegal... so he may seem like a good guy but he has drawn more police to the scene to act a fool...
@@Katarax hes just uninformed, sad that the people that are supposed to enforce laws of a country dont know them
The first officer was a good example of a public figure. Friendly non hostile and just being polite. He seems like a good guy just doing his job.
Funny how the energy of the situation went from somewhat positive and jovial to dark and hostile when the second cop started talking.
No it wasn't. the auditor was straight up rude during the majority of the interaction.
It was not positive at any point
I didn't get any rude vibes from the auditor until the second cop started barking lies to him.
@fankgaming7753 how was he rude?
This officer was polite, respectful and professional. He keeps his hand off his sidearm, again, proffesional. Unfortunately the second officer needs further training and less caffeine.
Unlike the one recording lol
You won the internet for today :) -- yay!
Yeah I love how calm he is. That is how all police should act. However, all police need to study the law more. I mean can't we requite a law school degree before they can become a cop lol it takes years to know the law but only months to learn it to enforce it.. say what??
greanstreak04
The second officer, or as I would describe him, a suspicious looking person dressed in black.
To be fair, i wouldn't be mad if the sergeant kept his hands near his gun as long as he stays THAT calm, friendly and de-escalating. Just take the gun from the second officer, he's a danger to others no matter where his hands are. Batshit crazy babyface.
Lol caffeine or drugs
That’s one of the nicest officers that I’ve seen before. I’m referring to the officer with the most melanin.
I’m not trying to come off as racist but I’m guessing that this guy behind the camera is indeed a white male. I truly feel that if this situation was the others way around things probably would have taken a turn for the worst.
ry-da- prophet lol 😂 I’m married to a black man. I’m very woke on the subject. Actually if you know anything about science we all started off as black. Now with that said with that knowledge I don’t look at myself as white. Because black people aren’t black. They are the original and I’m a human that evolved with less melanin. Black people are NOT a color. White people lost their color. I think like Jane Elliot. And I have for years and years. There’s only one race. The human race!! Either you have a lot of melanin or you don’t!! Everyone is my 30th to 50th cousin mo matter how much melanin you have.
FABIAN MITCHELL I don’t think you’re being racist. I agree. Unfortunately we still have to many ignorant people that live in the United States
ry-da- prophet yes I’m very happy to be a woke white person although I don’t think I’m actually white just have less melanin thank you. And I admire Jane very much.
ry-da- prophet I’m in my 40s. I have a young adult son with less Melanin as well. I educated him about this when he was a child. I have tried to educate all different people as well. Some with more melanin some with less. Sometimes they already know. But sometimes they think I’m crazy. Its usually the older people than me. Jane is 86 and she knows. She is ahead of her time. It really saddens me that the 60 year olds think I’m crazy.
Well, I understand the first police officer. He gets a call about some suspicious activity and wants to have a chat to so he can have a feel about the person... Probably not an easy balancing act, I guess.
Sure and he had a long chat, but never found out who is was talking to.
But where does it stop though? Simply being in one color and holding a camera why does that automatically make you a suspect he technically didn't have to talk to them at all. And what is it with people calling the police on situations like this oh my God there's someone on the public sidewalk with a camera... What if it was a woman in a nice black dress and pumps with the camera would she be suspicious? Or maybe she's a streetwalker with a camera I mean everything is subjective The point is we're supposed to be able to move freely throughout our day without harassment for what we are doing and what we are wearing simply wearing black and having a camera does not warrant a police officer needing to identify you That's not freedom that's Soviet Russia where you were required to have papers on you at all times indicating who you were and what you were doing
@@lexannaamnell6593 Everyone knows Badguys wear black, and if your Black as well then well..... yeah we never see video of Callers getting in trouble, should get citations for nonsense suspicions. They never seem to talk to these Callers, always go hit the openly public Suspect first, who must prove he is not guilty of.... anything.
@@BrainUser1 there was just one I found on the channel. The lady not only said she thought this guy had a gun but she didn’t stay on the phone and didn’t really identify herself - the cop cleared things up and immediately went to find her and fuss at her for the response she caused and hanging up on dispatch. I don’t think she got in real trouble but that was nice to see for once.
@@vatechie21 Yeah, dont seem to be any risk at it, dealing with cops is very risky, lose your cool or put your hands in pockets and..... anything goes! Saw one Secretary call saying "looked like a gun", and many armed cops came to the Business where Auditors were. Upset he questioned her, supposably the call turned into seen a gun. Always all the heat is on the Accused, with no sight of Accuser, should have Right to face Them.
The sergeant was very professional an all other officers should learn an take notes from a good police officer like him.. well done sir- No ego, Jus the law and professionalism
I found the 1st Officer was very mellow and personally would return his mannerisms and cooperate with him.
I always cooperate to a point...I’ll never give information that can be used for them to arrest me and I’m really good at deflecting their questions I don’t want to answer
Nah dude he's being fake nice. If he was actually a nice guy he would've took no for an answer
It's all just a good cop routine to derive a name to go with the report, and then the report will be on file to be read at any time and thus profile this innocent citizen.
Nah he can't take no for an answer
@@vovin8132
More so than just going on a report in the local station.... it will be sent to the Fusion Center as a SAR (Suspicious Activity Report) which will then be used by the NSA to profile the person as a potential domestic terrorist and get them put on a no fly/no buy list.
He was indeed being a pretty chill Ofcr. His demeanor was basically saying.. "Hey man, I'm just following up on a call.. Come onnnnn!"
Yes, he was a good cop simply trying to do his job.
He stepped back when asked, he didn’t keep his hand on his gun, he told the man he had no intention on seizing his weapon.
The second officer was an ass.
@@sprice2719 true
A- he got it right ! That's very good go watch cop interactions and you'll see fast , first guy was definitely trying to overstep his boundaries but all he did in the end was try ! And without escalating the situation , so good on his part for not getting violent ! Witch should not be a part of conversation .
Yes, if I wanted to cut the deco, I'd say he was nagging like a small girl. The subject established their stance with authority and did not move from that and the officer nonetheless thought if he asks often enough, he might get a different result.
Surely (mostly) de-escalatory, but also not establishing an ideal level of respectability in the other direction.
Honestly, after hearing the contents of the 911 call, I would have asked whether this is a hidden camera prank for TV.
i'm just a Stasi following orders
Imagine if all departments were filled with officers like the first and third. Particularly the latter. Respect for the public goes a long way
First officer on the scene will be great leader one day because he is a very good cop even now at his young age, this guy deserves to be complimented. As I said he looks very young and I believe he will learn and progress. Also sergeant who came later is a very good example of a leader and supervisor. Very good episode!
He is a manipulator. He wants that guys name so he can run him for warrants or other crimes so he can arrest him. "Never pass an opportunity to arrest somebody."
@@andypeterson8013 lmaooo relax karen
Unfortunately the young good cop will probably be tainted eventually by other corrupt cops before he becomes a leader. He deserves a raise
I feel bad for the first cop. He was caught in a confusing and awkward situation with a pretty weird dude. I wouldn't know how to talk to him either
That "weird" dude was exercising his Constitutional right to video and carry a sidearm. There was no crime being committed regardless of what some anonymous caller told the police dispatcher.
@@dzerres That's chill, man. He's still kinda weird
It’s weird because you already have the right you don’t need to show it. A guy walking out on the street knowing his rights is better then a guy walking out in the street showing off his gun to civilians that have probably never seen an assault rifle in their lives just to say hey I have the right to do this. Expect to get stopped by a cop if your walking in a town with a gun o for no reason having a right to do something isn’t a reason to do it there’s a time and place for everything
What I see on many of these Audit the Audit videos are cases where the police show up and don't want to leave until they've either issued ticket or arrested someone. Sometimes this requires continuing to pressure people until they say or do something to justify some sort of escalation. The police need to get it through their heads that not every call requires their services, and there is no shame in leaving people alone if you don't have legit reasonable cause. Just because you CAN exert authority and people will usually cave because they trust, doesn't mean you should. And by the way, telling the police about exercising your rights is not to be taken personally as an attack of any kind. If police are in doubt, call the DA's office for guidance.
@@JoePolvino I agree. In so many cases, these things get out of hand a lot of times because egos get involved.
A+ for the first officer in my opinion. Super respectful and clearly just doing his job responding to the call. Second officer gets a big fat F.
I can't give the A+ to the first officer because even though he was respectful, he could have instead questioned the legitimacy of the call and terminated the encounter rather early on when he realized no crime was being committed and had checked out the situation. Instead he continued to pry for information he was not privy to. I would give him an A though instead an A- because instead of letting ego come into play, he called for a supervisor pretty early on just to have the situation taken care of.
@@overlordghs1081 he was trying to figure out the situation. That is his job. He didn't abuse his authority at all, he just looked around. If you found him annoying well guess what he was finding the situation pretty annoying as well. The a+ is due since he didn't at all react to provocations or the annoying manner in which the citizen acted. Citizen gets a c in my book at best btw. The guy was obviously fishing for this, it didn't happen naturally, and cop A got hooked because he was trying to make sure everything was fine without just blindly threatening and arresting.... You know. His job.
Lets not forget the supervisor, now that is a professional.
@@overlordghs1081 first cop got an A- the supervisor is the one who got an A+
@@litiviousspartus4611 the supervisor seemed to have had a LOT more experience than either of the other cops, and I'm pretty sure he knew what game citizen prick was playing. So he knew there was no abnormal behavior or threat. Well technically it is abnormal still, but just in a harmless weird way.
Also the original comment said they disagreed that the first officer got an A+. Tho I'm also of the opinion that while his repetition may be annoying, he still did his job perfectly. There is nothing that says a cop can't repeat a question.
The first officer was amazing. The 2nd officer was just trying to start something so he could go hands on. The Sgt came out and handled it. The first officer was pushy on the name but he wasn't demanding.
Mad respect for 1st officer and how he just didn't overreact, just was calmly talking . Also the supervisor was nxt lvl. Asked a few questions, saw no threat then sorry to bother you.. pls have a nice day. True good cops.
The last officer on the scene was the real mvp! He didn’t even bother to ask for a name. He came, assessed the information and its validity, and wrapped up the situation with haste. The first cop was clearly nervous at the sight of the firearm, but still handled himself well, and respected the man he was engaged with. The second officer is the reason why so many interactions go left and people get needlessly arrested and hurt.
Thats why all you kids are idiots!!!.....the supervisor tried to get the citizen to incriminate his self...your not walking in the street....not walking into buildings...not screaming at anybody....use your brain....he was crafty
Well he clearly was a veteran officer also so yea
Really just seems like a waste of time, you wanna audit LE then go work IA, or DA office.
Rodney Finnell I can understand your position. I do think there’s utility in these types of audits, especially concerning bringing awareness to both the public and to law enforcement officers at large. But I also think that this could be counterproductive if not properly done. I don’t think that there’s no use for it, but I also don’t think that just anyone should be out doing these audits. And one should know at what point to gracefully bow out. Challenging people rarely ends well, even when you are in the right. What are you thoughts on that?
Darrell Williams He was just asking questions. It’s literally not that hard to answer then go on about your day.
1st cop: Super chill just doing his job
2nd cop: Troll that was probably beat up a lot
3rd cop: doesn’t have time for the bs
I would agree on all but 3rd. It's not a bs to audit Your law enforcement, that's how you better them and have more professional and educated people in sensitive positions like law enforcement. This was great learning experience to both cops on the scene by the auditors and the supervisor. I am from Serbia and over here is a total mess regarding law enforcement and I only wish that this is possible in my country. It's a good stuff!
@@jovogagic3555 I think the bs was referring to wasting time fishing for names and such, when there was no crime or anything. 3rd cop knew they had no reason to stay there and ended things quickly.
Whenever we got a call about a suspicious person we ALWAYS asked, "What makes them suspicious?" I'll tell you why. We got a call from a restaurant about a suspicious male in front of the restaurant. What makes him suspicious? He's looking into the restaurant and hanging out in front. How long has he been there? A few minutes. Officers respond. Long story short, the guy had just had a meal in the restaurant with his girlfriend and was waiting for her to get out of the bathroom and meet him in the parking lot.
sometmies they have a menu out front, and I take time to read that - I mean when I went out, for food
why can't every sergeant be like this man. Not only is he respectful of mr sir bossmans rights, he also kinda looks proud he is exercising them
The first officer wasn't as bad. He showed professionalism and respect.
Yeah, seems a bit green, but trying to be respectful of others rights.
@@tianamaycry seems like he just didn’t know what to do but was just trying make the guy feel like he has rights and stuff. Just a really awkward situation for the 1st cop and it was probably his first time in a situation like this lol
@@Soflogamer your assessment is pretty wrong.
@@newdiary6978 how so?
@@Soflogamer He is not going to answer you, he's a troll.
My FAVORITE part of this whole video was at the beginning (@ 2:51 ). The Officer saw he was carrying a weapon, reacted by placing his hand on his, but then consciously brings his hands together, off his own firearm. A+
America lmao
"I just got a call, so now it's okay to bypass civil rights" a fucken classic if I ever heard one.
I think the all black clothing and a gun being suspicious statement is hilarious considering how in many jurisdiction the cops wear all black and a gun.
Officer Vance was straight-up and he earned that A+. You know a cop like him is also the kind that goes hard when dealing with actual criminals, cause he's not scared or nervous or trying to push people around or bully them. My guess is he saves his handcuffs and use of force for the situations where they're needed.
Yeah I agree he seems like a real caring guy like one of those who actively helps kids and teach his kids things
Yes but the cameraman was being resistant to the first officer when Officer Vance was given immediate answers to his questions before asking to be identified. The first cop was not treated the same way.
Officer Vance knew that Mr.Civillian is intentionally trying to get a rise off the police officers. That he's a person who gets a thrill from being an unreasonable person and calling it "exercising my rights" and isn't interested in wasting time engaging this further.
While Mr.Civillian is legally within his right to behave how he is. He is being unreasonably belligerent in even refusing to share a first name.
One could reasonably argue that someone working THIS HARD to not share a single piece of information about themselves, not even giving a first or last name (even if it was a fake one) is reasonable suspicion that they are engaging in criminal activity, and/or has a warrant for their arrest. At which point he will be legally required to share his ID.
Like Ata said, the limit for "reasonable suspicion" is usually up to the officers individual discretion. And refusing to share a name, demanding to be called "Mr.civillian or boss man" can be viewed as suspicious activity
@@richardommundsen2417 giving fake name is reason for arrest, isnt it?
I like his brass tacks approach. Did you do X, Y or Z? No? Ok, good to go, have a nice day.
The first cop did a good job. He told the guy he wasn’t detained he even de-escalated by talking to him in a cool way and even removed his hand from his Gun.
"he even removed his hand from his gun."
incoming nobel peace prize
He also held his hands together which shows he is not even worried about the man and trusts them that he wouldn’t be hurt while the other officer had their hands on their hips and can easily bring up their gun or taser.
He even made the guy want to come out of the house and close the door.
I agree. He was justified in initially placing his hand on his weapon, and once he determined there was no immediate threat, he removed his hand and just tried to talk to him.
I love how he just cut him off when he said he was gotta explain the situation, to tell him he is free to go.
I shed a tear of joy when the OIC swiftly cut off Mr. Civilian and states, "I believe our job is done here." Requiring no more information to close his investigation.
Kudos to you copper. You did good. (This time.)
The first cop is a class act and knows how to effectively deal with difficult situations and people. The 2nd cop needs to find a new line of work.
I agree he needs a career change. I hear there are a lot of hib openings suddenly popping up in Russia lately.
Yeah but where else is he going to find a job where it's acceptable to be that belligerent and egotistical?
@@SpeculatvlyFictional The DMV.
@@rstrama64 🤣
I don't know what line of work he would be suited for, cops act like it's so hard to do the right thing when clearly the main problem is resisting the temptation to be a massive asshole.
"I don't answer questions"
> answers every single question the sergeant asks in rapid fire
Its a tactic they're taught.
I noticed that too, made me feel even worse for the cop who just wanted to ask some questions to understand the situation
At which point he should have moved on. Yes, saying "I don't answer questions" is answering a question.
Lol right
You're missing the point. He answered questions about the situation, not the personal information the other cops were trying to get.
I respect that the 1st officer other then pressing for a name he doesn't seem like a bad guy. He saw an unknown man carrying a firearm and reached for his sidearm. Once he realised he wasnt in danger he removed his hand from his gun.
I'm so addicted to this channel right now. I loved your explanation of reasonable suspicion with the example of different clothing colors in different items, excellent way to dumb down law for simple folks like myself. 🙂 Keep up the good work ATA!!
As someone who’s currently in the academy I appreciate these videos it’s great study material
Keep at it bro, don't be like some of these fake cops.
@hey hai There are plenty of good cops too.
But yeah, bad cops exist, and not only a few.
@hey hai that is the stupidest comment I have ever read does putting on a orange jumpsuit not make you human anymore everyone is a human nothing takes that away.
We the ppl GREATLY APPRECIATE you actually studying material, which by the looks of it not to many cops do so they walk around enforcing ego instead of the law.
@hey hai That's a really stupid comment. Simply because EVEN this very channel, showcased some A+ Cops.
And auditors are actively looking for the bad cops, not that those are hard to find.
My point being:
When even auditors highlight some of the best cops out there, they have to exist.
1st officer: strong, confident, friendly, doing his job.
2nd officer: short, fat, scared and fucking shit up.
Yeah, 2nd cops hands on his hips trying to make himself look big and bad..
Facts! But this actually might be a good point in that second officers life to see him self go viral and want to change and learn the law better. Obviously he maybe did a scared tactic but you can’t use illegal force. But anyways hopefully that short fat scared learns lol
twas a good teaching moment.
Then #3 swoops in, gets the facts and gets everyone set in under 60 seconds. Job done. Move along. Nothing to see here. (Though I wish these would end with that teaching moment... the supervisor could of said “if you can’t state reasonable suspicion that he has or will commit a crime, the citizen is correct.., he doesn’t have to give you ID. That’s his right. You can only compel ID or charge for failure to ID if X or Y” and cop #2 might have learned something that day).
@@aarongranger never air dirty laundry in public, obviously.
This is hands down one of the most informative and important channels on CZcams. It give so many examples of interaction and goes into such detail on everything at play, case law, the statutes from the location of the encounter vs. U.S. Code, etc. Fantastic.
Though the first officer was really cool, calm, and collected, I understand the persistence of the attitude of the auditor. I’ve seen many encounters where the cop uses niceness to eventually escalate and use that conversation to twist words. However I don’t think that’s the case here.
I hope officer B sees this vid so he knows that his professionalism didn't go unnoticed and is extreamely respected.
I imagine Mr Good Citizen Bossman filed a formal complaint.
Hey guys, officer B here. i appreciate the comments!
@@oxydreamer officer A is why people hate you ALL. And the fact you and others back up "officer A" types(which are the majority) makes you as bad as him. Like saying a "nice"man from 1940's Germany joins the SS,but since he's a nice guy it doesn't matter if he backs up and joins a group of evil mass murderers.
Great job Officer B
@@louispittman7367 What the fuck does anything you said mean? Are we watching the same video?
Good citizen: "I don't answer questions...."
Cool cop: "Why is that?"
Good citizen: Answers the question
LOL
You noticed that too? Oops, another question.
I think he's just using his common sense to refuse questions that might incriminate him.
R/whoooooosh for you anime kid
if he simply told them about the fifth amendment that would be a public service
@@voiceofreason7558 exactly. Basically reasserting that he is willing to stand up for his rights
This illustrates why I so appreciate this channel. Your willingness to give credit to appreciate police behavior is all to rare in the auditing community. Too many seem only interested if they can catch wrong behavior. But catching good behavior is equal in value and should be acknowledged whenever it occurs. Blessings to you all!
These are my favorite. Where the auditor/citizen is polite, knows the law and holds their grounds; and also at least one officer respects those rights and handles with care. Collectively it feels healthy - no rights were ultimately broken and a cop has an opportunity to learn and become better at his job.
I’d feel safe in this city with the first officer on the job
I most definitely agree.
You shouldn't, the first OFFICER should have DONE WHAT THE SARGENT DID.
IMMEDIATELY, LET US CIVILIANS GO!! HE MIGHT OF GOT AN A- BUT
HE SHOULD OF GOT A D+ IN MY OPINION. HE WAS ACTUALLY PASSIVE AGGRESSIVELY TRYING TOO ESCALATE
BY, REPEATING WHAT'S YOUR NAME..
THE SARGENT, DID WHAT THE FIRST OFFICER SHOULD HAVE!! NOT WASTE TIME AND MONEY ON, ANOTHER COP PLUS A SARGENT !
Fool
@@cowboykelly6590 Why are you yelling lol
I don't know. He started with his hand on his weapon. And he kept saying "what's your name where do you live" through a long part of the conversation.
I swear sometimes these guys call the cops on themselves just to record lol
@jay Sturm I think the samething.. 😂
"Hello 911? I think I look suspicious, can someone come check on me?". That sounds pretty retarded, but then again, some people stupidity know no bounds.
So you think people are calling the police on themselves rather than possibly accepting the fact that not all cops are law abiding .
I agree..hes got a gun on his hip..go to the shooting range and get some shots off..instead of getting cops to come ,when they can be chasing real criminals.
@@SuperSonicFan172 no one with a functioning brain would phone in a self report that way. If we’re really giving in to this idea, they would attempt to make an anonymous tip so their identity has no play in the situation
We need more supervisors like that. Came to the scene asked a couple simple non-invasive questions, gave his name and badge number and didn't press for identification.
An "A-" for pushing, and overstepping, then failing to stop the next cop from harassing and lying, the very guy you gave an "F" to?
You get a well-deserved F
What should happen now is the sgt should use this video as a training aid and retrain all the cops in the dept.
I sent it to the Columbus Grove department's facebook.
Here was their response: "Mr. [REDACTED], A couple of months ago when this was brought to our attention, the officer was brought in and the video reviewed. He understood the mistakes he made in it and the laws for open carry were explained to him once again. He knows that he was wrong in the video and we are all working to get better. Thanks for your time and concern. It is understood."
Yes. However, it could be sent to the schools as well in order to teach kids THAT there are good police, help aspire to attract good people to that job, and teach how that dude was within his rights, but that being an intentional asshat will bring trouble into your life. It just does. Laws and rights can't protect that. So don't be two people in this video. The second officer. And this asshat of an "auditor."
@@Michael-ii9fs He didn't insult them or act hysterically. Also, when was the last time you stood your ground vs police authority. The police force is trained to exert psychological superiority and unless you deal with it on a regular basis, it takes time to be calm when refusing to comply to their probing. It's not an easy thing to do and it is about regaining ground on individual sovereignty. Where is the person calling on grounds of suspicion? What did that person say exactly? Why is paranoid snitching automatically considered reasonable ground for stopping someone going about their business not threatening anyone?
Good job Officer Vance 👏
The Ohio statute also says that you're required to identify yourself if the cops suspect that you've _witnessed_ a serious crime. So basically, if they illegally search you, detain you, threaten you or assault you, you've witnessed them committing a crime and now you're legally obligated to disclose the location of your family to the gang of criminals who are assaulting you.
This is gonna sound a bit weird. But man, my heart went out to the first officer. He was such a nice guy. I ft sorry for him. I feel like I wanna take him for pizza and beer
That's called soft bigotry, via low expectations.
Same..!
The truth is… the good polices are just doing their job and protect the people..
Let’s say if this guy is actually the bad guy, and refuses to present his identification, then commits a crime, people might then blame the police for not doing their job/protect citizens….
So honestly people, what do we want from them lol. If you’re innocent, is really that hard to corporate when the first police is asking so nicely..? (Of course that’ll depend on polices attitude & circumstances)
@@alaska-bornfloridaman Who are u saying is the soft bigot? Please elaborate.
@@user-ys7ur5em1k
You. But it's damn near impossible for you to see it. Your judgment is faulty.
@@alaska-bornfloridaman You are projecting. The soft bigot is you. You accuse me of poor judgement because I felt sorry for the police officer. Maybe you should try putting yourself in his shoes. That will help your corrupted judgement.
The guy with the gun acted like a complete tool. The exact same way your mum acts.
Why did he continue to engage the officer after it was affirmed that the conversation was consensual. He should have just went back inside, ending the encounter.
He even said he was shutting his door, so really he was trying to egg him on by continuing the conversation.
@@theheavenlyfb4071 That was my take too.
The auditor only succeeds if the cop leaves.
@@thatlsk Then in that case it begs the question: do you want to assert your rights or do you want to feel this "success" for an ego boost?
Indeed.... He just wanted to his interaction to go viral
They’re so used to compliance that any deviation from their scripts melts their brains.
"How do we know you're not commiting a crime if you don't identify yourself?" "How would you know whether I'm commiting a crime by learning my name?"
If you're wearing all black and have a camera, to me that sounds like an art student.
"MOAR LIEK A MERDURER AND A FELUN AMIRITE?" -these cops
how to become a felon in one easy step: wear all black clothing.
Being an art student should be a felony
Black Block ruined that.
Hell if i had a dollar for every time I was stopped for wearing all black I'd have an extra few grand and that was all before antifa was a thing.
The first officer was pretty chill and I’m sure a lot of that has to do with his Sargent being chilled. The other officer was a butthole, misquoting laws to fit what he wanted to get accomplished. I’m sure his Sargent is the same way as he is. Moral of the story is, officer attitude reflects their leadership.
Second cop was wearing all black, so obviously up to no good. 😆
Absolutely spot on. These officers don't just pick up these bad views on the laws they are enforcing, they watch other officers do this same thing and they learn from those interactions.
@@Dowlphin And he was carrying both a gun and a camera!
@@gelynch52phPH I think he was actually not carrying a bodycam. Another violation.
maybe the second cop was just trying to trip him up. they are allowed to lie to you to get what they want. the first cop should a thought, what I got call for a guy just wearing all black carrying a camera, next case, instead he kept on harassing him.
The first officer was really good, and kept pumping for info in the right way
Awesome for the first officer calling out the 3rd officer for help and I can tell they were friends because first and third acted friendly, He called in help to stop the second narcissist officer trying to cause a bad scene. Second was showing he was feeling like he was being intimidated.
I really appreciate officer Vance how he arrived, assessed the situation then said, "looks like we're done here." That was it.
He only asked the same questions the first cop would've asked.
@@MrMikeyy1123 but the first cop didnt ask those questions, he just kept repeating himself but least he acted in a polite non-confrontational manner.
I think the first cop was hoping he would turn up and out and end to it , he had a nice smile one his face as he walked away , the second officer just wanted a confrontation
The sergeant didn't change the situation in any way. The subject was aware he wasn't detained the entire time. He was already free to go and he knew that. This encounter should have ended when he was told he wasn't detained, but he chose to make a CZcams video instead.
@@hulkingmass You really gonna downplay the cops behavior and act like the civilian was in the wrong for wanting to protect himself? You must be socially tone deaf.
I appreciate the first officer, he got a call and he has to follow up no matter how silly or harmless the call is and he has to follow up. He was trying to find out more without threatening the dude or flexing his power
My question is who thinks walking along a sidewalk with a camera is suspicious behaviour? Even if the caller thinks it is, shouldn't the dispatcher know better?
Dave Rhoden I know personally that B&E and robbery suspects often film the areas they are scoping out to rob to analyze the activities and be able to look over the video footage for cameras, windows that can see their victims building, etc.
if a call is made to police it is their responsibility to respond to that call. Even if someone calls 911 and immediately hangs up after cops will show up to that location. Would you not want police to show up to your home or business if there is a call made that 2 men wearing all black are filming and looking suspicious in front of your property? Even more, how would you feel about 2 men wearing all black standing outside of your property filming it? Would you not feel uncomfortable and... I don’t know... suspicious?
@@PainCrashDaGPuff3000 It's a fine line aye. The flipside being a cpl of Goths walking around with a camera. All in black and carrying a camera filming whatever takes their fancy at the time. All the dispatcher hears is "Someone dressed in black with a camera". (Judging by the amount and ilk of the Karens, they wouldn't know the difference between a Goth and a criminal anyway.)
Also, sometimes the most innocent person looks suspicious in someone's eyes as easily as someone appearing innocent could be a hardened criminal. A person sitting at a phone terminal in a call center cannot possibly be expected to tell the difference. It's how the responding police handle the situation that makes ALL the difference.
Yes, the way that Officer approach, I would tell him what he needed, so I could go, and he can go to enjoy his day..
@@mwoodson1026 I'm definitely pro 2nd amendment but these guys just try to antagonize police. Hopefully law makers doesn't try to tighten some loose laws
So if an individual who’s ignorant about the right to open carry open calls the police because they consider that “suspicious activity” that is not sufficient reason to demand ID from someone to “prove” they aren’t a felon. Just ridiculous.
That first officer is amazing. Patient, understanding and definitely what we need in community policing.
If somebody calls 911 to say "There are two dudes walking down the street with a camera, please come" they should be charged with mischief at the very least. The Karens have to stop.
Far, far too many cases of cops being dispatched to reports of no crimes being committed at all.
This is abuse of the 911 system, and needs to be prosecuted.
The Karen charge!
I think they were walking around with a gun
They were walking around open carrying rifles, although it is legal it still raises concerns
@@EdertheJust Ohio is an OPEN carry state and the 911 caller didn't state there was a gun, but a camera.
First cop acted professionally
Kind of. He wanted to investigate suspicious activity, but he didn't just leave it at that. The supervisor was the one who really acted professionally - he did the investigation, determined there was no suspicious activity and let the citizens be. That's how it should be done.
@@rodh1404 However it was the first officer who called him which was the professional thing to do. Often it is the victim that insists on a supervisor. This action by the first officer was very telling. He did this after the second officer tried to exascerbate the situation. So I think the first officer score was fair. He was not confrontational and yes he tried a few times to get his name which although irritating was not in itself a crime. He got his minus for that reason. The second officer is the dangerous one here as yes as Audit the Audit said if he had been in charge this could have gone another way. I think the first officer was very happy when his supervisor arrived and said what he said. He could see it going wrong by the second officer's attitude and a sensible thing to do. This is prime example of good cop versus bad. All marks were deserved here and I bet that first officer spoke with his supervisor after to discuss how he handled it and where he could improve.
@@rodh1404 What do you mean by not leaving it at that?
The first officer asked 2 very reasonable questions and didn't try to force anything, didn't detain him and the interaction was over 4 minutes into this video, but then the Citizen dude just chose to stand there like an idiot for 10 more minutes, refusing to answer things.
Then this supervisor guy comes and the Citizen guy all of a sudden answers every question without any hesitation at all, and then even offers a full explanation which no one even asked for.
@@SweetLilyofPeace First officer seemed like a very good guy, no argument about that. And I do give him props for calling in a supervisor. But he didn't act all that professionally, he didn't even seem all that sure of what the relevant laws were (he certainly didn't correct the 2nd LEO who was spouting complete nonsense). For a true professional, the supervisor gets the gong 100%. He knew the laws, he knew how to get the information he needed to know quickly, and he concluded the investigation as soon as he determined the citizen wasn't actually doing anything suspicious. That's exactly what the first two cops should have done, but didn't.
Third cop acted professionally. First cop got stuck at an immovable object in the investigation of a frivolous 911 call.
"I don't answer questions"
"Why is that?"
😀
I love watching these!! I wish you had these categorized state by state!
Man, if I ever get caught up with police I hope I run into the first one. Seems like a legitimately good dude.
Cops are like a box of chocolates. You never know which one you’re gonna get.
Yeah some are harmless others will suffocate you slowly without mercy.
lol
And that’s the problem.
***People are like a box of chocolates. You never know which one you’re gonna get.
@@TheMengusDew *youtube comment are like box of chocolates etc..
"I got a call about two males dressed in black. one holding a camera."
They have just described themselves.
Lol "Mr. Civilian" I love it.
The second officer did nothing to help, only tried to agitate. Then, says “don’t reach for your gun”, like that’s what he wanted
@TheOutLaw Carpenter yeah, that's not the problem. I've seen numerous examples of footage where the officer uses statements like that as a pretense to escalate these situations without any other justification. It's a jackboot tactic, and it's really fucked up to witness.
🔥The law enforcement, judicial system and political arenas ALL EMBODY SYSTEMIC SUPREMACISTS;Why be afraid of COWARDS desperate of their own extinction!!!! Research Jane Elliott anti-racism activists AND a CAUCASIAN woman👅👅
They're afraid of being outnumbered and they fear a loss of power, NEITHER OF WHICH THEY CAN CONTROL because man did not create man👅
Paisley Price while there are a lot of cops that aren’t power hungry. The percentage of corrupt to not is highly in advantage of not corrupt. I agree that some cops are power hungry P.O.S, but please don’t judge all officers based of a few of officers actions. Not being confrontational, have a good day
** exactly what I was saying!
Soupisamyth what would you call a cop that stands around and doesn’t stop other cops when they are doing the wrong thing, helps cover up for those cops, lies for those cops, etc?
Ok so I am not gonna ignore how cute the first officer is, and he manages to smile despite the situation.
It genuinely feels like he is an officer trying to be a member of the community. It is actually heartwarming to hear how he is asking for a name, like he really wants to just talk.
He is so cute uwu
Kinda felt sorry for him because he seemed nervous in this situation.
"I'm investigating right now."
WHAT "crime" are you "investigating"? Answer his question instead of evading.
The worst part of this is that the cops actually responded to a call about "Two males wearing black.".
Third Officer “Who called in it?”
-inaudible
“OH THAT IDIOT?”
Hahahaha
They both said "No clue"
"Do you live here?"
"I dOn'T hAvE tO aNsWeR YoUr QuEsTiOnS."
"Okay, cool man"
"LeT mE jUsT cLoSe My DoOr."
That’s what I was thinking lol
Lmao
"I lIkE iT iN tHe Ass OcIfFeR FrIeNdLy" ~TheBaschtl
@@Mister_Majestic ?
Good Citizen AkA Boss Man: This is a consensual conversation.
I will not answer any questions . 🙃
“Mr. Civilian” I love it.
The F cop should have taken his "I'm in control of this situation" sunglasses off. 😎
Besides the second cop, this is how my tax dollars should be getting used.
Pretttyyyy sure your tax dollars go into the army, not the cops
@@Professional.H4ter If you live in that city a portion of your sales tax go into that police department.
@@mortemmalum7228 laughs in 8.25% city tax
the first officer is so cordial i want to be friends with him 😆
He would’ve kept asking for your name
Yes 😊
This guy would be an amazing neighbor.
"What are you cooking?"
"Just making dinner for..."
"So what are you cooking?"
"Just... firing up the bbq..."
"So... are you cooking something?"
"Sigh... would you like to come over?"
"Well, that depends: are you cooking something?"
Chances are he may want your name just to follow standard social procedures that apply outside police interactions
you could have told him your nickname and he would have been happy tbh I bet that man makes a mean sloppy joe.
It’s great when an officer like Officer Barginere can have an interaction in which they don’t get their feelings tied up in it and don’t feel like it’s a shot to their ego when someone respectfully disagrees with them. Nice calm demeanor and conversation. And a willingness to let it go
Great supervisor! Respectfully, objective, straight to the point.
The supervisory officer handled it perfectly. If only every cop was like him.
The civillian made the "suspicious people" call to make this video to show off after he read the law.
Wouldn’t be surprised
I hate people who purposely attempt to make other cops job harder
Mr. Bossman really likes his name.
Coming back to it and watching again it would not surprise me at all.
I would too...So what
We need more supervisors in the department as this officer.
I love watching this channel but every interaction still gives me low key anxiety lmao
The first cop was so patient. A gentleman. The guy he’s talking to is a tool.
first cop was patient and ignorant of the law at the same time. thats why the sergeant is where he is and first cop was his subordinate
@@jamesortega8681 or... crazy theory incoming: maybe he was the subordinate due to low experience? You know, I'm not going to be become a field marshal in day one because I know everything to my job. But actually because I require many years of experience
@@mateotelleria4734 low experience means low knowledge. he was kind but kind doesnt cut it.
@@jamesortega8681 i feel like in this high stress situation i whould act the same citizens need to protect themselves better at least he knows his rights the tone I think is because of stress
@@jamesortega8681 not necessarily. Knowledge is connected to time. But isnt a consequence of it. For example, I know a friend who is so cultured, even more than someone 10 years older.
As for police laws. I would have to look up laws in this particular state to see if the officer was in the right or wrong