I think art analysis and going to Art museum probably are the most straightforward ways to experience and understand Ni. It's a contemplative function so it benefits from contemplating things, taking a step aside from reality we're constantly immersed in and looking under the surface and asking yourself what does this image represents, what could it possibly mean, what can this evoke to me ? People usually end up on a finite number of similar conclusions no matter who they are. Try to detach yourself from the world completely, to enter in a meditative state where only your mind is present, forget your body completely. Don't solicitate any sensory stimulation, experience the quiet calm to make your deepest reflections emerge. Do nothing but thinking. Imagine you're just a camera filming the world and its every detail. This way you'll be able to question the meaning of every action you see: why they do that, Why do they work so hard, what are they trying to achieve ? If you also can respond to what you do yourself, what you are trying to do and achieve in the end, you'll understand the value of things in the world, will dissociate more from superficiality and develop the introverted intuition view. You'll interpret things to see what they tell about reality, how they serve it in different ways. As a dominant Ni user, I see the time as freezed most of the time, except when I make progress in my life plans. The most meaningful actions make the world progess. The rest of the time, my perception of time is quite distorded cause I pay little attention to concrete reality and how it changes. I can actually forget time cause my vision is so visionary that I can approximatively evaluate how much time it will take to achieve each step to reach the end state. And the end state is my objective. This objective is always somewhere in my mind, present at any moment. I'm perpetually working on achieving it. It could take 10 years if it is an ambitious goal. Think about video game developers. They spend at least 4 years on the same project, sometime 10 or 15 years in the worst cases. That's exactly how Ni users live and experience time. One step at a time, being patient, and then time can flow normally again with a new completion achieved in life to move forward again toward the next big objective. A long term focus.
very well put ! I had a lifelong dispute with an INTJ what art really is. Me as an Ne-dom beeing more objective in my intuition has a tendency to be aware of the Ni but not seeing it AS (it is a preference after all) fulfilling or important in the consumption of art if that makes sense. I am excited about interesting concepts, connections, creative endavours which can go into the direction of absurdism, phantasy and all that crazy random stuff etc etc. I ask for meaning LATER as long as the concepts and things excite me. Objectivity and Superficiality goes hand in hand. For me to write a story is often coming up with the "crazy" stuff first and then think about how i can think about a big Ni point to have an excuse to fit it all in. As an example: Would it not be cool to have story where people do xyz ? -> How can i make this into a meaningfull story. The Ni type seems to function mostly the other way around. The meaning comes first and everything supports this meaning. Ni heavy types seem to have a stronger desire to tap into this collective unconcious archetypical and reduce the "noise" into a very "human"-bound thing. Everything has meaning, direction, is filled with something to relate to. They see and respect the Ne aswell but for them the real bread and butter seems to be the Ni. Makes sense that an Ne dom type and an Ni dom type will then value these aspects differently.
Thank you! What art really is is a vast question. But to me, it's definitely more tied to Intuition (N) for sure, as well as Philosophy. Even the Sensory types (S) can tend to express art but usually through more physiological ways like dance for example by making their Intuition shine. I can understand it. As an INFJ with my more focused Intuition, I tend to also be aware of the Ne and see it not as fulfilling, important, or satisfying either when it comes to art. I'm also interested in all of that but when it goes in the direction of meaning, realism, and all the deep philosophical stuff. That's funny. Whether it is fun or excites me is secondary to me as long as the concept and things are meaningful and significant. I don't know if I would put Objectivity and Superficiality in the same category. To me, it's really different. When I refer to Superficiality I mean more the Extraverted Sensing, what directly meets the eye, what is concrete. So it's not necessarily in a negative sense if we consider something superficial as valuable nonetheless for example. I don't necessarily consider the "crazy" things superficial for example. If it can bring joy, there is something valuable and meaningful in it I think. I see. If I would write a story, I think I would start with a point and something profound to talk about and then I would think about some random and crazy Ne adventures to lead to that point and convey the main point. I would let my creativity flow to imagine what could happen to these characters in their life to lead them to that precise point. I think most people who learn MBTI don't necessarily understand it but actually, each function basically works the other way around: (Fi) is about personal values (Fe) is about common values / (Ti) is about truth (Te) is about efficiency / (Se) is about the present experience and the real moment (Si) is about the past experiences / so (Ne) is about all the possibilities there is at our disposal and exploring all the craziest possibilities for the sake of it when (Ni) is just about excluding other possibilities to find and explore the one we want to pursue in-depth to the end of it. I guess that would more or less correspond to what you describe or make sense of the "noise" maybe. Also a much more serious attitude at first glance in comparison. Well yes, that makes a lot of sense Ni is your bread and butter when you have Ni and not Ne lol. But the same goes for pretty much any type: the Fi with Fe, the Te with Ti, and so on. For Ne heavy types it seems like they like to pursue their passions of the moment, test as many things as they can, and have some fun. I guess so. To me having fun is rather secondary and if I achieved my objective first.
@@flux1940Ni grounds itself in terms to what's there in reality eventually making them wise people that have loads of information based on what's there in reality and what things mean. Whereas Ne types grounds nowhere and tries to exist in every point of idealism. There's a grounded corner yes, but the ground is stable with wideless always looking away and trying to find more and more ideas, regardless of contemplating them. Intj and Intp have high use of Nx and and Tx functions so as an intp you and I always have good idea of meaning and deeper sense of things. Yet we want to consciously pursue Ne more.
The worst thing is that everytime someone I know ask me for advice, my intuition kicks in a bit and I analyze their behavior patterns and project that into possible future outcomes and then I tell them what to do step by step, only for them to act all “butthurt” because they think they are superior and ignore my advice until weeks/months from now the consequences of their actions hit them only then they realize my advice comes true and they would either apologize to me or be scared of me and think I’m psychic. Hell I even think I’m psychic because when I first started working at a job, 3 years popped into my head and then “I’m def going to be working here 3 years but not because I quit.” (This was before covid) and then when covid did happen the job let me go and by that time 3 years hit when I worked there. Sometimes I’m aware and hone in my intuition and other times it hits me hard out of nowhere and it’s unnerving 😂. I’m an INFJ btw, I wonder if INTJ’s have a similar issue or they can hone in their intuition better?
An answer to one of your questions: Time approaches you. Thanks for your insightful information that gave an answer to my troubles. It actually confirmed that my current source of stress IRL, was sensory overload due to an extremely high-paced environment. Was doing literally nothing but listening to your explanations and a meditative music track in the background, and managed to find that sense of inner calm that was so desperately needed. It's that semi-conscious state where you are present and aware, but with a calm flow and little resistance. Actually recharged more energy from this than taking a power nap.
Thanks for telling me about how time works for you! I’m grateful to hear that you got an insight and my rambles were helpful. Yes that state is amazing. Self-hypnosis has really helped me consciously create it.
Very true that sometimes i come across as prophetic. But most of the time, i‘m quite useless. 😉 No one believes me, when i foresee something, and when it actually happens, most people have forgotten that i’ve told so long before (I guess they just don’t want to admit that they did me wrong). Luckily, i have a job, where the managers are very understanding. I am not flashy, i don’t come up with new ideas, i‘m not innovative, i don’t hang out with group of colleagues. Instead i work invisibly in the background and keep everything together with my analytical and structural thinking. My reliability and intuitiveness (i can sort of feel into my boss and guess what she wants from me without having to communicate) made me climb up the career ladder (actually i didn’t want to move up, i only asked for a small raise, but she promoted me into a higher position with a raise double of the sum that i asked for). I thank God that i have found this company, where i can just be who i am.
That mentioning of triangulating to understand was rather profound, because (not that you are, mind you or that INFJ OR INTJ's are, necessarily) just having researched narcissism and triangulation is used often in the dialogue. That comment there of yours really stood out to me as a good way to describe their lack of and inability/unwillingness to understand.
INFJS in particular do get a prophetic vibe...INTJs are more "labeled" predictive. However, any believer in Jesus is capable of being given prophetic gifting of the Holy Spirit. There is a difference between discernment which is a gift of the Holy Spirit, noticing things in the spiritual realm--revealed to you by the Holy Spirit (either by a verse or passage of scripture He brings to the forefront or by something He speaks to your spirit in line with scripture) verses intuition which notices and pulls from the physical world around you subconsciously.
In short Ni means information gathering process that focuses on patterns perspectives hidden meanings and future implications ( my dominant cognitive function INFJ )
So true, this reminds me of a story, where I had a meeting with a colleague who got laid off. He told me his side of the story, i had nothing to say, just listened to him. He waited for a reaction, and i told him that i had nothing to say, because i was processing. The only thing i can say right now was that i felt so sorry for him. He teased me for my slow and very visible thinking. In the evening i felt very bad and somehow used. Before that meeting, i felt sorry for him and didn’t understand my boss, why she would lay him off (usually, i always understand her). Now my feelings have shifted, i stand behind my boss without even knowing why. I wasn’t even neutral anymore. I perceived my colleague as an opponent. Later i found out that he had one-on-one-meetings with all colleagues that belong to a certain circle (close my boss, but not too close - meaning: the circle closest around the fire, but not in the fire, still outside of it), probably to find out something.
I forgot the name of a person on a comment to another channel. I went to this channel to clear my thinking and try to remember the name. It came to me minutes before writing this.
The most important thing I learnt as a INTJ is how to use my extraverted intuition. I do that by identifying NE people around me, talking to them, observing their reactive bouncing of ideas and then copying what they do..
You describe a lot of things very well. I wouldn't have been able to do that. But the important points are the possibilities. For example, thinking better in dreams at night or using all 12 parts of the brain at the same time. You describe the interaction of the individual parts, but not when they are all active at the same time. You overlook the vision part with the analysis in the second step. One doesn't work without the other.
Love your sweatshirt. Link please. INFJ over here. Love the channel. Helped me explain to my partner how i always know that he's up to how i can spot deception and motives of just about anyone. As soon as behaviors change, my subconscious is alerted and starts connecting dots. Its to the point that once i start to notice, i can begin to predict their future moves. Once that happens i find evidence that allows me to cross check and confirm, and produce proof of my findings.
Same here. This exact phenomenon has helped me navigate through a horrible experience with corrupt lawyers in a legal process. I noticed their body language, tone of voice, psychopathic stare, the illogic of their reasoning, and could then take my measures to document the process and go to the police with evidence of corruption. It saved my life.
As a Japanese person who’s into mbti, I’d like to hear your opinion on how the tendency that each nationality possesses in their personality influences mbti and how the personality shows up in real life. I wonder what you figured while communicating the fellow Japanese haha
I see Japan as a mix of ISFP and ESFJ. Se and Si+Fe seem to be very admired. All the food shows and superstitions (high Se)… and all the cultural expectations of following tradition (Si) and fitting in (Fe)… I’m curious about your thoughts!
@@GeekPsychology Thank you very much for sharing your insights! I also believe that we are high Fe users. We tend to prioritize others' needs and forget to take care of our own. Sometimes we even neglect our own feelings because we are focused on making others feel good. However, we eventually get burnt out and realise how much we have been stressed out the whole time. I think there are more high Si users than Se users in Japan. Although Japan is known for its aesthetics, I do not necessarily agree with it. I believe that people outside of Japan compliment our aesthetics because they find it exotic, but we tend to disgrace and even find those unique things ugly. We tend to dress up nicely and put efforts into making certain things look okay, but I think it is not because of Se, but rather due to a combination of Si and Fe. We dress up to fit in, not for a self-expression or artistic reasons, nor to stand out. We find comfort in holding onto old rules, even though we are aware that something is wrong with them. That makes us Si users. Therefore, I believe there are many ESFJs and ISFJs in Japan (although I have heard that these are common types outside of Japan as well). I have also heard that there are more INFJs in Japan compared to other nations. Even though I am not sure about it, I can see why it can seem like that. I’ve also heard we have a lot of ISFPs. But I don’t think the stereotypes that ISFPs get online match Japanese ISFPs. Apologise for such a long reply😅 Have a good day.
I think I misspelled ESFJ for ISFJ. But I still think many PEOPLE are ISFPs. The culture is not. The culture is ISFJ. And I feel like many ISFPs are kinda being forced into ISFJ roles. Not all of course. One thing that I have noticed that I have not fully appreciated before was how much introverted Sensing likes good food because it represents stability and thriving. Idk if I was going crazy or just mistyped. @letsreadtextbook1687
You are right there. for the things I want to synthesize and develop, i will do a lot of reading on and around that subject intensely and continuously for a few days and then let my brain work on it to find connections, commonalities and sequence. So when I actually come to write about that subject I will get a general understanding of what to cover and what is to highlight. ~INTJ
I really appreciated this exploration of Ni! You mentioned that introverted sensors tend to tell stories. This made me immediately think of my ISFJ mother. She uses a story framework to talk about various things that she’s experienced or observed. Even if I do have a good story to tell, I really don’t like to tell it in a story format. I also really don’t like to tell jokes; which are often little stories. I also loved that you talked about your view of Ni as a dominant Ne user - that was really fascinating that you think of it as slow. I found your words about valuing Ni very uplifting - I’m going to try to give myself more time to let my mind work. My life is very busy right now, so I often prioritize productivity. I can see that allowing time for Ni will really benefit me - especially when I’m feeling stressed or overwhelmed. My point is, thank you!
What you said made me think that the simplest way to explain and describe Introverted Intuition to someone who doesn't understand it would be to say it just as the stereotype of meditation, going out of your daily routine in life and your mechanical work, reflecting on yourself, finding inner peace and philosophizing pretty much.
I like that your channel does not have a box. I struggle to to keep my ideas in a well defined box, as an infj. Was starting to think I was crazy. Must be Intuition thing.
I'm a Ni-dom & Ni is none more than Witchcraft...Yes, we're Wizards & Witches. We INTJ'S create so much MAGIC...as our Imagination which stems from Ni...is out of this world. Introverted Intuition (Ni) is IMAGINATION as a Dominant function & most in the world don't know that. Ni is guided Imagination with Intuition thrown in there. We're born Innovators.
Thank you for this!! I am currently at odds with the "logic bros," those Ti doms that want to fit all attempts at future insights into the critical thinking function. I happen to adore this model, but realize that it lacks depth, and alienates the other types of thinkers. Something like a bull in a china shop. How can one deal with this attitude? At present I'm too triggered to do anything except try to sic an INTJ on them. I don't have the verbal facility to contend with them in real-time debate, although I may be able to hold my own in written response. Typical INFP, I guess.
Could it be that "skepticism" in an INFP or INFPs plural or in general...could it be that in actuality it isn't skepticism at something that "isn't there" informatively but rather pulling from filled out information from the past?
If it were pulling from the past specifically it would seem to be Si. I’d say it’s pulling from all things that exist as they exist now and creating a meta-pattern understanding of how they all relate.
Can you compare extroverted intuition and extroverted sensing? I can't tell which one I use since they're both extroverted perceiving so they both seek excitement and newness right?
Weakness of introverted intuition --definitely PRIDE. Arrogance. Seen many, many times. Thinking they know more about a person than they actually they do. And they might sense something but they may not be sensing correctly. They assume they know instead of asking questions and thus growing in understanding and precision. They go with the gut feeling instead. Doesn't always have to do with "what's going to happen" futuristically either. It often times can also be well this is how this type of person is, instead of looking at them and getting to know them as an individual or even sensing things they think are present tense and refuse to listen to the person who is able to give them viable information what they are sensing has to do with their past instead of present are other scenarios as well.
Sounds like an INFP with underdeveloped Ne, me in high school. I used to think I could gather the "kind of person" people were as soon as I saw them. In reality it was just matching their physical appearance/outward demeanor with character archetypes I'd constructed in my head based on people i'd known. To some degree it's effective because there are personality commonalities in things like style and attitude, but it's definitely never safe to assume you know 100% what motivates that behavior, or that you know someone as a whole based on those things. Si, sometimes in the 1st slot but especially in 3rd slot, loves to assume it has the answers before it's actually looked outward. And 8th slot Ti certainly isn't verifying the accuracy of any of those perceptions. Ne eventually realizes there's much more behind the curtain and balances out.
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Introverted intuition just happens. We don't think about it. We already know the answer.
So true. I‘ve noticed that whenever something just falls into my head out of nowhere, it is always right.
Exactly, it’s the insights that “appear”
I think art analysis and going to Art museum probably are the most straightforward ways to experience and understand Ni. It's a contemplative function so it benefits from contemplating things, taking a step aside from reality we're constantly immersed in and looking under the surface and asking yourself what does this image represents, what could it possibly mean, what can this evoke to me ? People usually end up on a finite number of similar conclusions no matter who they are. Try to detach yourself from the world completely, to enter in a meditative state where only your mind is present, forget your body completely. Don't solicitate any sensory stimulation, experience the quiet calm to make your deepest reflections emerge. Do nothing but thinking. Imagine you're just a camera filming the world and its every detail. This way you'll be able to question the meaning of every action you see: why they do that, Why do they work so hard, what are they trying to achieve ? If you also can respond to what you do yourself, what you are trying to do and achieve in the end, you'll understand the value of things in the world, will dissociate more from superficiality and develop the introverted intuition view. You'll interpret things to see what they tell about reality, how they serve it in different ways.
As a dominant Ni user, I see the time as freezed most of the time, except when I make progress in my life plans. The most meaningful actions make the world progess. The rest of the time, my perception of time is quite distorded cause I pay little attention to concrete reality and how it changes. I can actually forget time cause my vision is so visionary that I can approximatively evaluate how much time it will take to achieve each step to reach the end state. And the end state is my objective. This objective is always somewhere in my mind, present at any moment. I'm perpetually working on achieving it. It could take 10 years if it is an ambitious goal. Think about video game developers. They spend at least 4 years on the same project, sometime 10 or 15 years in the worst cases. That's exactly how Ni users live and experience time. One step at a time, being patient, and then time can flow normally again with a new completion achieved in life to move forward again toward the next big objective. A long term focus.
very well put ! I had a lifelong dispute with an INTJ what art really is. Me as an Ne-dom beeing more objective in my intuition has a tendency to be aware of the Ni but not seeing it AS (it is a preference after all) fulfilling or important in the consumption of art if that makes sense. I am excited about interesting concepts, connections, creative endavours which can go into the direction of absurdism, phantasy and all that crazy random stuff etc etc. I ask for meaning LATER as long as the concepts and things excite me. Objectivity and Superficiality goes hand in hand. For me to write a story is often coming up with the "crazy" stuff first and then think about how i can think about a big Ni point to have an excuse to fit it all in.
As an example: Would it not be cool to have story where people do xyz ? -> How can i make this into a meaningfull story.
The Ni type seems to function mostly the other way around. The meaning comes first and everything supports this meaning.
Ni heavy types seem to have a stronger desire to tap into this collective unconcious archetypical and reduce the "noise" into a very "human"-bound thing. Everything has meaning, direction, is filled with something to relate to. They see and respect the Ne aswell but for them the real bread and butter seems to be the Ni.
Makes sense that an Ne dom type and an Ni dom type will then value these aspects differently.
Thank you! What art really is is a vast question. But to me, it's definitely more tied to Intuition (N) for sure, as well as Philosophy. Even the Sensory types (S) can tend to express art but usually through more physiological ways like dance for example by making their Intuition shine. I can understand it. As an INFJ with my more focused Intuition, I tend to also be aware of the Ne and see it not as fulfilling, important, or satisfying either when it comes to art. I'm also interested in all of that but when it goes in the direction of meaning, realism, and all the deep philosophical stuff. That's funny. Whether it is fun or excites me is secondary to me as long as the concept and things are meaningful and significant. I don't know if I would put Objectivity and Superficiality in the same category. To me, it's really different. When I refer to Superficiality I mean more the Extraverted Sensing, what directly meets the eye, what is concrete. So it's not necessarily in a negative sense if we consider something superficial as valuable nonetheless for example. I don't necessarily consider the "crazy" things superficial for example. If it can bring joy, there is something valuable and meaningful in it I think. I see. If I would write a story, I think I would start with a point and something profound to talk about and then I would think about some random and crazy Ne adventures to lead to that point and convey the main point.
I would let my creativity flow to imagine what could happen to these characters in their life to lead them to that precise point.
I think most people who learn MBTI don't necessarily understand it but actually, each function basically works the other way around: (Fi) is about personal values (Fe) is about common values / (Ti) is about truth (Te) is about efficiency / (Se) is about the present experience and the real moment (Si) is about the past experiences / so (Ne) is about all the possibilities there is at our disposal and exploring all the craziest possibilities for the sake of it when (Ni) is just about excluding other possibilities to find and explore the one we want to pursue in-depth to the end of it.
I guess that would more or less correspond to what you describe or make sense of the "noise" maybe. Also a much more serious attitude at first glance in comparison. Well yes, that makes a lot of sense Ni is your bread and butter when you have Ni and not Ne lol. But the same goes for pretty much any type: the Fi with Fe, the Te with Ti, and so on. For Ne heavy types it seems like they like to pursue their passions of the moment, test as many things as they can, and have some fun.
I guess so. To me having fun is rather secondary and if I achieved my objective first.
@@flux1940Ni grounds itself in terms to what's there in reality eventually making them wise people that have loads of information based on what's there in reality and what things mean. Whereas Ne types grounds nowhere and tries to exist in every point of idealism. There's a grounded corner yes, but the ground is stable with wideless always looking away and trying to find more and more ideas, regardless of contemplating them.
Intj and Intp have high use of Nx and and Tx functions so as an intp you and I always have good idea of meaning and deeper sense of things. Yet we want to consciously pursue Ne more.
Sounds like the people who say they don’t have an internal monologue
Ni users are the ones who tend to have internal monologues and talk in such terms so I don't see why they would say otherwise.
The worst thing is that everytime someone I know ask me for advice, my intuition kicks in a bit and I analyze their behavior patterns and project that into possible future outcomes and then I tell them what to do step by step, only for them to act all “butthurt” because they think they are superior and ignore my advice until weeks/months from now the consequences of their actions hit them only then they realize my advice comes true and they would either apologize to me or be scared of me and think I’m psychic.
Hell I even think I’m psychic because when I first started working at a job, 3 years popped into my head and then “I’m def going to be working here 3 years but not because I quit.” (This was before covid) and then when covid did happen the job let me go and by that time 3 years hit when I worked there. Sometimes I’m aware and hone in my intuition and other times it hits me hard out of nowhere and it’s unnerving 😂.
I’m an INFJ btw, I wonder if INTJ’s have a similar issue or they can hone in their intuition better?
Eh not so much for people advice but I get asked a lot of “hey will this work with this or that” kind of questions for systems and configurations
An answer to one of your questions: Time approaches you.
Thanks for your insightful information that gave an answer to my troubles. It actually confirmed that my current source of stress IRL, was sensory overload due to an extremely high-paced environment. Was doing literally nothing but listening to your explanations and a meditative music track in the background, and managed to find that sense of inner calm that was so desperately needed. It's that semi-conscious state where you are present and aware, but with a calm flow and little resistance. Actually recharged more energy from this than taking a power nap.
Thanks for telling me about how time works for you!
I’m grateful to hear that you got an insight and my rambles were helpful.
Yes that state is amazing. Self-hypnosis has really helped me consciously create it.
Very true that sometimes i come across as prophetic. But most of the time, i‘m quite useless. 😉
No one believes me, when i foresee something, and when it actually happens, most people have forgotten that i’ve told so long before (I guess they just don’t want to admit that they did me wrong).
Luckily, i have a job, where the managers are very understanding. I am not flashy, i don’t come up with new ideas, i‘m not innovative, i don’t hang out with group of colleagues. Instead i work invisibly in the background and keep everything together with my analytical and structural thinking. My reliability and intuitiveness (i can sort of feel into my boss and guess what she wants from me without having to communicate) made me climb up the career ladder (actually i didn’t want to move up, i only asked for a small raise, but she promoted me into a higher position with a raise double of the sum that i asked for).
I thank God that i have found this company, where i can just be who i am.
This was helpful, thank you. That Jung quote was an eye-opener, I did not see Ni as this inherited database that goes back over human existence.
Welcome! I like that quote too!
I can see everything.
It is a CURSE AND I LOVE IT!
lol. Way to take embrace it!
That mentioning of triangulating to understand was rather profound, because (not that you are, mind you or that INFJ OR INTJ's are, necessarily) just having researched narcissism and triangulation is used often in the dialogue. That comment there of yours really stood out to me as a good way to describe their lack of and inability/unwillingness to understand.
INFJS in particular do get a prophetic vibe...INTJs are more "labeled" predictive. However, any believer in Jesus is capable of being given prophetic gifting of the Holy Spirit. There is a difference between discernment which is a gift of the Holy Spirit, noticing things in the spiritual realm--revealed to you by the Holy Spirit (either by a verse or passage of scripture He brings to the forefront or by something He speaks to your spirit in line with scripture) verses intuition which notices and pulls from the physical world around you subconsciously.
Agreed 👍
@Moondust You may be genuinely speaking, however, I do know what I am talking about commenting from personal experience.
do you find predictive and prophetic to have no relation to each other ?
As above, so below
In short Ni means information gathering process that focuses on patterns perspectives hidden meanings and future implications ( my dominant cognitive function INFJ )
Ah, i love that definition. Very precise.
Thank you for saying what you did about Introverted intuition feeling too slow. That actually helps. Thank you.
So true, this reminds me of a story, where I had a meeting with a colleague who got laid off. He told me his side of the story, i had nothing to say, just listened to him. He waited for a reaction, and i told him that i had nothing to say, because i was processing. The only thing i can say right now was that i felt so sorry for him. He teased me for my slow and very visible thinking.
In the evening i felt very bad and somehow used. Before that meeting, i felt sorry for him and didn’t understand my boss, why she would lay him off (usually, i always understand her). Now my feelings have shifted, i stand behind my boss without even knowing why. I wasn’t even neutral anymore. I perceived my colleague as an opponent.
Later i found out that he had one-on-one-meetings with all colleagues that belong to a certain circle (close my boss, but not too close - meaning: the circle closest around the fire, but not in the fire, still outside of it), probably to find out something.
I forgot the name of a person on a comment to another channel. I went to this channel to clear my thinking and try to remember the name. It came to me minutes before writing this.
The most important thing I learnt as a INTJ is how to use my extraverted intuition. I do that by identifying NE people around me, talking to them, observing their reactive bouncing of ideas and then copying what they do..
You describe a lot of things very well. I wouldn't have been able to do that. But the important points are the possibilities. For example, thinking better in dreams at night or using all 12 parts of the brain at the same time. You describe the interaction of the individual parts, but not when they are all active at the same time. You overlook the vision part with the analysis in the second step. One doesn't work without the other.
Thanks for sharing ^^
I’m a bit confused by what you mean though. Can you elaborate so I can better calibrate?
Love your sweatshirt. Link please. INFJ over here. Love the channel. Helped me explain to my partner how i always know that he's up to how i can spot deception and motives of just about anyone. As soon as behaviors change, my subconscious is alerted and starts connecting dots. Its to the point that once i start to notice, i can begin to predict their future moves. Once that happens i find evidence that allows me to cross check and confirm, and produce proof of my findings.
Same here. This exact phenomenon has helped me navigate through a horrible experience with corrupt lawyers in a legal process. I noticed their body language, tone of voice, psychopathic stare, the illogic of their reasoning, and could then take my measures to document the process and go to the police with evidence of corruption. It saved my life.
As a Japanese person who’s into mbti, I’d like to hear your opinion on how the tendency that each nationality possesses in their personality influences mbti and how the personality shows up in real life. I wonder what you figured while communicating the fellow Japanese haha
I see Japan as a mix of ISFP and ESFJ. Se and Si+Fe seem to be very admired. All the food shows and superstitions (high Se)… and all the cultural expectations of following tradition (Si) and fitting in (Fe)…
I’m curious about your thoughts!
@@GeekPsychology Thank you very much for sharing your insights!
I also believe that we are high Fe users. We tend to prioritize others' needs and forget to take care of our own. Sometimes we even neglect our own feelings because we are focused on making others feel good. However, we eventually get burnt out and realise how much we have been stressed out the whole time.
I think there are more high Si users than Se users in Japan. Although Japan is known for its aesthetics, I do not necessarily agree with it. I believe that people outside of Japan compliment our aesthetics because they find it exotic, but we tend to disgrace and even find those unique things ugly. We tend to dress up nicely and put efforts into making certain things look okay, but I think it is not because of Se, but rather due to a combination of Si and Fe. We dress up to fit in, not for a self-expression or artistic reasons, nor to stand out. We find comfort in holding onto old rules, even though we are aware that something is wrong with them. That makes us Si users. Therefore, I believe there are many ESFJs and ISFJs in Japan (although I have heard that these are common types outside of Japan as well).
I have also heard that there are more INFJs in Japan compared to other nations. Even though I am not sure about it, I can see why it can seem like that. I’ve also heard we have a lot of ISFPs. But I don’t think the stereotypes that ISFPs get online match Japanese ISFPs.
Apologise for such a long reply😅 Have a good day.
Awww this is a wonderful question.
@@GeekPsychology aint no way in million years Japan being Fi dom lmao. Ya sure you didn't typo ISFJ (instead of ISFP)
I think I misspelled ESFJ for ISFJ. But I still think many PEOPLE are ISFPs. The culture is not. The culture is ISFJ. And I feel like many ISFPs are kinda being forced into ISFJ roles. Not all of course.
One thing that I have noticed that I have not fully appreciated before was how much introverted Sensing likes good food because it represents stability and thriving.
Idk if I was going crazy or just mistyped. @letsreadtextbook1687
You are right there. for the things I want to synthesize and develop, i will do a lot of reading on and around that subject intensely and continuously for a few days and then let my brain work on it to find connections, commonalities and sequence. So when I actually come to write about that subject I will get a general understanding of what to cover and what is to highlight. ~INTJ
I really appreciated this exploration of Ni! You mentioned that introverted sensors tend to tell stories. This made me immediately think of my ISFJ mother. She uses a story framework to talk about various things that she’s experienced or observed. Even if I do have a good story to tell, I really don’t like to tell it in a story format. I also really don’t like to tell jokes; which are often little stories. I also loved that you talked about your view of Ni as a dominant Ne user - that was really fascinating that you think of it as slow. I found your words about valuing Ni very uplifting - I’m going to try to give myself more time to let my mind work. My life is very busy right now, so I often prioritize productivity. I can see that allowing time for Ni will really benefit me - especially when I’m feeling stressed or overwhelmed. My point is, thank you!
What you said made me think that the simplest way to explain and describe Introverted Intuition to someone who doesn't understand it would be to say it just as the stereotype of meditation, going out of your daily routine in life and your mechanical work, reflecting on yourself, finding inner peace and philosophizing pretty much.
the first thing i believe to be Introverted Intuition is to see beyond your self and to want to be free.
Ni to me is always narrowing down with the flow of time to my point of focus. That point of focus could be anywhere past present or future.
You have such a nice voice!
I like that your channel does not have a box.
I struggle to to keep my ideas in a well defined box, as an infj. Was starting to think I was crazy.
Must be Intuition thing.
Nice one! I like the way you explain it ❤️🔥💪🏾
We are the next step of evolution.
I'm a Ni-dom & Ni is none more than Witchcraft...Yes, we're Wizards & Witches.
We INTJ'S create so much MAGIC...as our Imagination which stems from Ni...is out of this world.
Introverted Intuition (Ni) is IMAGINATION as a Dominant function & most in the world don't know that. Ni is guided Imagination with Intuition thrown in there.
We're born Innovators.
9:53 Leto II from Dune God Emperor is honestly a very typical example of INTJ (exaggerated artistic ver. ofcus)
Thanks!
Thank you ^^ and you’re welcome!
The high of mind can also be lowly and admirably meek in heart. :)
Especially when I’m focused, my Ni-Te process is at stronghold.
Thank you for this!! I am currently at odds with the "logic bros," those Ti doms that want to fit all attempts at future insights into the critical thinking function. I happen to adore this model, but realize that it lacks depth, and alienates the other types of thinkers. Something like a bull in a china shop. How can one deal with this attitude? At present I'm too triggered to do anything except try to sic an INTJ on them. I don't have the verbal facility to contend with them in real-time debate, although I may be able to hold my own in written response. Typical INFP, I guess.
Great video..
Thanks ^^
This is great, thanks!
Could it be that "skepticism" in an INFP or INFPs plural or in general...could it be that in actuality it isn't skepticism at something that "isn't there" informatively but rather pulling from filled out information from the past?
If it were pulling from the past specifically it would seem to be Si. I’d say it’s pulling from all things that exist as they exist now and creating a meta-pattern understanding of how they all relate.
Dope freestyle
if anyone wants to build their Ni, play poker
Could also work for Si, if one memorizes odds for varying hands and deduces how likely it is that other players have a stronger one
Can you compare extroverted intuition and extroverted sensing? I can't tell which one I use since they're both extroverted perceiving so they both seek excitement and newness right?
Weakness of introverted intuition --definitely PRIDE. Arrogance. Seen many, many times. Thinking they know more about a person than they actually they do. And they might sense something but they may not be sensing correctly. They assume they know instead of asking questions and thus growing in understanding and precision. They go with the gut feeling instead. Doesn't always have to do with "what's going to happen" futuristically either. It often times can also be well this is how this type of person is, instead of looking at them and getting to know them as an individual or even sensing things they think are present tense and refuse to listen to the person who is able to give them viable information what they are sensing has to do with their past instead of present are other scenarios as well.
That's unhealthy NE brother , not Ni
Ni don't engage , it's an introverted function.
Sounds like an INFP with underdeveloped Ne, me in high school. I used to think I could gather the "kind of person" people were as soon as I saw them. In reality it was just matching their physical appearance/outward demeanor with character archetypes I'd constructed in my head based on people i'd known. To some degree it's effective because there are personality commonalities in things like style and attitude, but it's definitely never safe to assume you know 100% what motivates that behavior, or that you know someone as a whole based on those things. Si, sometimes in the 1st slot but especially in 3rd slot, loves to assume it has the answers before it's actually looked outward. And 8th slot Ti certainly isn't verifying the accuracy of any of those perceptions. Ne eventually realizes there's much more behind the curtain and balances out.
i can't make sense of all these 16 types..LOL convoluded to me. narrow it down to 5 or 6 types. LOL
Yeah there’s quite a hurdle to get into it.
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Matt you are cool
I accept this compliment.
You're bunching these personalities together that are total opposites
Ni will mess up your life.
Your hand... :( can they not move? Based on your hand, I think you are a Fe type.
No
Learned behavior
Intj sigma female ..😁🤩😉🤭😏
Great video. Thank you!
Glad you liked it! It was a long one ^^