Wedgetail MPR 308 Mod 2 Real world Review
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Im so happy that no numpty has come across or reported these videos. Keep at it, mate. You're doing WA a favour.
It's like a sausage factory.... people will eat them but don't want to see how they are made.....
Hi Jack, like you, I’ve spent many years shooting and culling in Africa. I’ve noticed from your videos a couple of pointers that could help improve your cull rate.
1) it looks like you’re too quick to move to the next target, and actually move the weapon to the next target before you have finished the one you are currently working on. You also tend to flinch when squeezing the trigger, especially on the quick shots. I had the same problem. To get around this, you must “follow through” on your shot. The best way to do this is to line up your shot, pull the trigger gently whilst keeping the cross hairs in the same place, then as you fire, FORCE yourself to WATCH through the SCOPE, where the round IMPACTS the target and try keep the cross hairs on the hit point as best you can through the recoil. This will take practice. Over time and practice it won’t effect your timing but will get to almost 99% kill rate. Yes 99 culls with 100 rounds.
2) once you master the above, normally a couple of months, you’ll move onto snap shooting. The best I can explain it is when we line up our shots and delay we tend to hesitate and cringe for the coming recoil and causing us to flinch when you expect the round to go off. This means the cross hair move all over the place as you line up a shot. If you notice, the first time your cross hairs hit the target they stay on the target for a fraction of a second whilst your brain starts to process the coming recoil. In this first fraction of a second you can get the shot off before you start thinking about it and crapping yourself for the expected recoil. Remember to force yourself to watch through your scope where the rounds hit. Practice this at the range to see what I mean.
3) I’ve culled in lots in bush similar to what you have in WA whilst in Zimbabwe, Zambia, Mozambique and Botswana and I always head for trees for cover and to rest your weapon on. Resting your weapon against the side of a tree will improve your shot placement incredibly. You should be walking tree to tree or tree to fence post, or fence post to car. Plan your stalks/approach accordingly from tree rest to shoot to tree rest to shoot.
Good luck and I’ll watch your progress!!
Great advice, removing the glove from his trigger finger would also contribute, but I do not see him changing anything in his style, lol. He's very entertaining and I love his videos!! 🎉🎉😂
I shoot and hunt a lot, and was very impressed by the African cullers I spent time with in SA. excellent efficiency of motion and flow. good advice.
@@tomblount5635 dude would be sweating like a pig in WA heat, gloves will help him maintain grip on the rifle lol
Someone get this man a true simi auto AR 10
Unless he leaves WA not happening. WA is buy far the most anti-gun state and that's saying something considering how anti-gun Australia is.
Grew up on a farm in alberta coyotes an gophers, no camels but varmint is a varmint.
Cool to see the same life but different on the otherside of the world.
Keep up the hard work💪✌️
I'm glad the wedgetail worked out.
I’ve never unloaded a mag manually, I let the rifle do that… this is my new favourite quote.
A idea from the the northwest USA hunting we use shooting sticks made from 4ft round wood dowels lashed together towards the top. Like buffalo hunters back in the day for long shot in brush. They work amazing form long shots like shooting off a bench. Their a few dollars compared to a bipod which is way more
Jack you will love the Bogpod deathgrip. I have had mine for roughly 12mths and it has made it possible to take shots I wouldn't have bee able to off hand. From most of the vids I have seen you are moving quite a lot to shoot the camels. The bogpod once you get comfortable with it will be able to be carried on the move and save you always taking a knee to finding a tree.
Exactly what I was thinking.... or more heli work.
Confirmed! Best bit of kit!
I really like that rifle. I can see a lot of uses for what I do here in the states
Great to see yours is going so well mate. Mine is waiting for me to get time to go down and pick it up. Keen to get some ferals with it.
Good job demonstrating the MPR in a real world pest eradication situation. I run the ZT red dot offset on my MPR, it’s great, you’ll love it.
Man we need to get you guys a 2A
yes please ffs
God has one for us all, just don't volunteer it to another man that is no better than the rest of us.
Great review Jack !!
I've got the long hand guard and switched out the moe grip for Hogue molded so much better feel to it! don't forget to grease those rollers!
Excellent informative video thanks 👍
Awesome review!... best of luck !
Good work Jack 😁😁👍👍
Great review Jack, My MPR has the 15" hand guard and yes it is great to have that room to mount some accessories. I am running the PMC ammo in mine as well ( PPU and Sierra ammo will not cycle through the MPR ) and they cycle great but like you mentioned they seem to go straight through and minimal damage if they don't hit bone, I tried ADI 135gr HP on my last trip and they were awesome the only thing is they aren't cheap. I have a Grovtec buffer tube QD sling mount and Grovtec single point sling if you are thinking of going with one it works really well if you are chasing on foot easy to disconnect and reconnect.
cheers mate keep the video's coming.
I PARTS OF the USA like Texas we have the same issue with feral Hogs and we're grateful, for semi and every in some cases full automatic,looks like PPU Has really sloppy tolerances or your rifle has tight tolerances 😮 PMC IS WELL KNOWN FOR THICKER BRASS
mate , from your terminology , I'm betting you spent some time in the ADF, your review is very good and concise.
the PPC ammunition, I would wager the cases are over expanding in the chamber, and binding, have you tried a spray of silicon lube on the rounds , in the 60,s in Vietnam the Americans had to oil the first 5 round in the Armalites , our the weapon would jam and fail to extract.
i enjoy the videos as they show an area of Australia I wont get to see, and how you manage a large cattle station.
In case you wanted to know but there's a company called Cogburn Arsenal who makes and sells an SR-25/AR-10 magazine stripper clip guide that allows you to use US surplus M14/M1A 308 5 round stripper clips to load your Magpul magazines. I don't know the legality or the availability of the M14/M1A stripper clips in Australia but it might be an option to look at. I've used the M1A stripper clips before on my M1A magazines and they work really well. Just an idea.
Great information thanks!👍🏽😀❤️🇺🇸
A nice addon would be a Magpul MOE K2 grip. The reduced angle is really nice for the wrists. Cheap and well worth the money!
Great review, thanks mate. And thanks again for testing PPU ammo after the rifle has broken in. A pity about PPU, but at least now I know for certain you can't use it reliably. Cheers mate.
PPU being cheap is why I bought a Howa instead of a Sabatti or Tikka like I was originally going to for my 223, I was paying around $11 a box for PPU bulk, whilst everything else except the occasional Winchester bulk pack was well above that even buying bulk closest I got was PMC Bronze at $17 a box of 20..
as for my other guns, the 270 likes ppu, the 300 win doesnt mind it. so I count myself lucky, I would hate to have a fussy gun, a buddies 223 Tikka jams up with a few cheap ammo options including that Frontier stuff Barry's was selling
Yeah, PPU is the cheapest I've seen, so anything that runs it is a big bonus. I think maybe .308 PPU might only be suited to bolt actions, as the primary extraction has a bit more leverage force than a pump action. Also, pump actions might be better suited to smaller calibres like .223, less case for the primary extraction to deal with. Maybe less ammo fussy. But I'm just guessing. Cheers.
@@sokhar69 Maybe but I know plenty of people with bolt guns that dont like ppu even in 222 and 223 etc, if the pump action has an AR15 style extractor then it should work as fine as a Howa 1500/weatherby vanguard or a Rem 700 as they all have AR15 style extractors, I think its more to do with minute differences between the case width, neck length etc, I do notice all my PPU brass needs a decent amount trimmed off the first time I reload it.
Ah, interesting. So it's more to do with chamber tightness and tolerances, and how sloppy the quality control is at the PPU factory. Maybe also brass thinness and powder load. Strange that a typical sub-moa guaranteed Howa action would run such inconsistent ammo well, because you'd think Howa accuracy is not just the barrel but the precision of the chamber and bolt face and lugs etc. I don't really know enough to comment on the subject, but interesting to speculate. Cheers.
@@sokhar69 my Howa 1500 shoots PPU sub MOA all day long...
my remington likes ppu too but wont cycle winchester brass...
my weatherby vanguard shoots everything ive fed it sub moa.
I can knock 1" spots off of trees with my Howa at over 300m without much effort.
some guns are just nice out of the box, my remington is my regret purchase, I would probably go a Howa or Weatherby if I replace it.
The media is there to make money 1st & the truth comes in far behind.
Keep up the good work
Wow! 2,000$ usd scope! No wonder it’s so awesome!
On the PPU ammo, I think I would try taking a box lay them out, lightly spray with silicone and box them back up to try. I have only used the PPU in bolt action rifles without issues. I did have issues with my semi auto 308 with soft point Winchester though.
Hi Jack, really liking your channel, just curious what category your rifle is? Thank you
You can get the vertical front grip with the Bipod built in..
Looking at that you could use a good cheek riser to hold your head up which will be be ificial
Since it’s an ar platform I would highly recommend looking into some Creedmoor options like 6.5 really accurate less recoil then a 308 and dose some crazy things
Good vid jack, have you measured case head expansion on the ppu, ? They may be running hot, especially with the heat out there, best rgds steve uk
There are three measuring tools that are required to determine whether there exist any of the "headspace" issues that everybody in the Comment Section is yelling about: a .308/7.62x51 NATO "Go" chamber headspace gage, a "No-Go" chamber gage in the same caliber, and a CARTRIDGE case gage in that same designation.
The first two are used to determine whether the rifle is within SAAMI specifications, and the last one checks the cartridges in question for min/max dimensions. The bolt should lock up-ready to fire- with a "GO" gage inserted into the chamber in place of a cartridge, but it should NOT lock into battery with a "NO-GO" gage inserted.
A correctly-sized cartridge inserted into a Cartridge Case Gage will protrude above the notch but below the rim of the gage,-(min/max dimesions.)
Most good reloading suppliers carry them or can get them for you.
I doubt that either the chamber nor any of the ammo would fail any of those dimensional tests; the problem is more likely related to the chamber pressures each respective ammo brand develops in that extreme Outback heat.
Soft-ish brass may also factor in, as would a rough, dirty or scratched chamber wall.
Well Jack since your next video usually covers my comment on the last video I will just quit commenting. I just don’t want to waste your time and you are covering these things anyway. Almost like you’re reading my mind. I looked the MPR308 and it seems they(Wedgetail) really try to make a weapon you all can use in AUS. Curious if the PPU brass is swelling causing the jamming issues? I have seen this with a few of the different brands. I have even had it happen with the same brand just different grain bullet. I am also impressed with the amount of rounds you have put through it and the fact that the level of dirt is still limited. Great review and hopefully they don’t get these taken as well.
Great stuff Jack; keep it coming my friend!
Would have liked to see you try running a mag or two of that PPU through without firing, just to see if the rounds are trying to stick prior to fireforming.
I know that doesn't change the situation for you now but, if the PPU are getting sticky prior to fireform, there may be something could be done to the case head section of the chamber to alleviate the problem. Now that I think of it, just simply polishing the 1st 6 or 8 mm of the chamber where the case head resides may be enough to get some positive results.
It sucks we can’t have this rifle in NSW it’s looks so good!!!
Get the Rem 7600. Better, Cheaper!
Actually, we can. The only adjustment we'd need to make is a pin in the stock and a permit for the suppressor .. regardless of the advice you might read about on the internet, our gun laws are the second best in the country for shooters... I rate Victoria no 1 ..
@@DernRern not true actually we have a thing called appearance laws which have it banned along side it having an adjustable stock, even you to pin the stock because it looks like a semi auto it will still be banned wedgetail have tired that and now they have to make one with a different stock not a Magpul and it’s gotta be grey not black
@william6815 i have 2 rifles that look "tactical"with barrel shrouds, pistol grips and skeleton stocks...and a shotgun that is modelled off a semi auto Benelli.. I've never had a problem with the appearance laws.. im not sure if they're subject to interpretation by an officer or if specific firearms are listed as prohibited due to appearance.. but ive never encountered a problem with it
@william6815 and that new Taipan thing looks "assaulty" ..
if you're going to keep using the camera on the scope every time, why not just move the mount further down the rail to fix the eye relief issue? Shouldn't move your point of aim too much, re-zeroing has only been a 3 shot job for me when I've played around with my eye relief when using a solid mount like you have (when using traditional rings its been more effort)
Yeah, I could actually. Buy I Have a thermal clip on that I want to try and that takes up a bit of space.
3:41 I hate to be 'that guy' but isn't it LPVO, not LVPO?
That is cool. Many using the new Barrett’s bxr?
Nice review💪👍, but does putting on gloves not hinder loading/reloading , feel of the rifle??👍👍
Do you have access to Outback ammo? I remember it being marketed here in the states.
Hi Jack stumbled onto your channel, after watching your video I placed order for Wedgetail pump action rifle at fishing & outdoor world I. Darwin. Funny thing the guy was wearing your cap. Small world. I want to save up for the scope you use, are you satisfied with its performance? There not much around in reviews,
Regards
Peter
Great work ! Didn't know you could not own a semiautomatic thats kinda sad the numbers you need to stay ahead are in need of something faster a mini gun mounted on your truck ? I have also had good things from pmc if they cleaned up the powder they would shoot cleaner
Time to sue the news station for copyright infringement - they would do it to you
Hi Jack would polishing the breach help the PPU problem?.
That's interesting about PPU, because my 7600 doesn't have any issues with the 150 gn PPU, neither does the Savage 110 Tactical.
Yeah? My 7600 and 7615 run everything. And a third of the price
I couldn't get PPU ammo to even get a tight group at 200m through a bolt action
The head spacing or the bottom of the brass isnt thick enough on that PPU stuff soomes like. It works in my lever action rifles but im using 30-30 and not 3-0-hate in it
It is and should be called, a farm tool🙏👍🇦🇺
Jack have you changed the trigger out as it is a bit rough from standard.
Would it be possible to mount an Arca Swiss or picatinni rail just in front of the magazine so you could use a tripod or any suggestion on where you could mount one
Have u tried the adi ammo
Can you turn the camera to 90 degrees so your peek will not knock and then just rotate the footage in editing? ,sorry i dont know anything about the camera, it was just a thought, i used to have a straight pull AR15 platform in .223 and loved it but i gave up shooting 6 years ago ,wish i kept it up
Had one on order for long time finally got email saying there now $3800 so I got a ruger sfar ar-10 $990 with two 20 round mags instead bloody joke that much for a pump and after seeing your video they look like junk
Air rifles have come a long way. Kind of an expensive “maybe”.
Also - I have a BOG Deathgrip, pretty great tripod, its only weakness is the poor quality bearings and how it articulates the head (basically everything beneath the grip down the the bipod itself felt cheaply made compared to rest of it). I modified mine with some professional camera gear following this guide czcams.com/video/7SdYmHgIyyo/video.html (I didnt buy their kit, bought similar components & 3d printed a spacer) I retained the option of either using the "death grip" head for most of my rifles or attaching directly to an ARCA rail that i have on my Tikka Tac A1. Post modifications its ever so slightly lighter as a bonus.
Damn!! I didn't want to fork out a heap on something more expensive. I'll try the entry level before I go more.
It's still a great tripod! I am pretty pedantic, it is heads and shoulders above every other one I've used.
The "Deathgrip" component holds onto a Heavy Tikka Tac A1 easily without me supporting it. @@jack_out_the_back
You probably wont like the Bog pod death grip for what you are doing. Its heavy I use one for crossbow hunting in a blind.
Jack, what’s the weight and balance like more so when you’ve been on the move after 40-50 rounds?
They are pretty light for a .308 repeater. The 16" barrel version with short handguard is only 3.4 kg / 7.5 pounds, unloaded
You could probably polish your chamber and not have issues with the PPU
Do you home load any ammo ?
can you get ballistic tip ammo for that rifle ?
Are you allowed 20 shot mags or just the 10 shot ones there Jack? should be at least allowed the 20 or 30 shot mags for the pump as far as I am concerned.
No limit on magazine size here in Western Australia, just very difficult to attain because there's an import ban on them.
do they make then chambered in 5.56nato?
There's a .223 / 5.56 version due out this year
Where is Ant? 10.25 pm Regards Ron
Taipan ?
How do other Aussie CZcamsrs have semi-auto guns with suppressors?
Laws vary from state to state, license type (based on occupation - ie professional pest control businesses) etc etc.
They’re professional pest controllers
How do I buy you some ammo??????
what length is the barrel?
That one Jack has is 18" - all the current production ones are 16".
Nanny state all over the world. Politicians are rather dim, but dangerous to us. We have a labour MP here in Uk who was photographed wearing two left shoes on her feet. How do they get to be MP's?
Selected, not elected. Same in oz
Your not nav’s brother are you m8 from exsplore life?
What is the definition of ppu and pmc please?
Only guess is 308 vs 7.62
They are two different ammo manufacturers . Brand names.
PPU-Prvi Partizan Ammunition-Serbian Ammo manufacturer;--PMC=Poongsan Metal Corporation;Korea
Any chance of a camel safari for paying guests? Are you allowed to reload as it may save you money
I imagine because he does it for work, that'd make it hard. He could probably "subcontract" some of the work to you, if you got your own insurance and are licensed etc. But even then, idk. Complicated question, I'd be asking whatever WA's firearm/weapons branch is called
Where is Ant , Jack
Hmmm… thinking…. It would be cool to have a semi-auto that has a pump function to clear jams and stuck cases. Could save a soldier in battle.
That’s just racking the bolt back dude.
Don't really think that'd work. On a semi you can just pull the bolt to clear, right?
@@strider5119 well… it depends on the firearm. An ar-15 has a charging handle but it’s kinda hard to get a good hold on. Others have a side charging handle with the same issue. If you had a pump it would make a malfunctioning magazine, weak ammo, or dirty gun quickly and easily clear and load a new round. And stuck cases where you have trouble pulling the small charger it could really come in handy I think. It be like an extra security for a combat or competition firearm where time counts.
@@baneofbanes right but sometimes it’s too difficult and a pump would be faster and give you more leverage. Plus if you were in a situation where you kept getting repeated malfunctions it could be handy. Especially in combat or a competition.
@@baneofbanes it’s ok… long as ….
I …..
know what I’m talking about. 😂
"Is it possible to hire contractors from other states to shoot for you that have a cat-c?"
Nope, can't get a permit for the firearms.
what brand of AR10 mag for your pump ill get you some 20rd ones if you want @@jack_out_the_back
1.)I'm astonished,that you do not take a single blink at the jamming cartridges;They could reveal what the problem is.2.) Simplest solution would be,to try other bullet weights from PPU like the 165grs and 168grs..-I took the liberty,as to relate your problem to PPU's marketing division.They might want to contact you.-Personally I believe,that your rifles chamber ist not up to specs.One explanation could be,that the chamber is for 7.62x51 Nato and not for.308 Win.(Or vice versa)
The MPR308 is chambered in .308 WIN. None of them run PPU ammunition. The MPR308 is tested mostly on F4 7.62 NATO, which is fairly high pressure.
@@chocky223You are contradicting yourself!.308 win has a higher gas-pressure than 7.62x51. If it is tested with 7.62x51,it "might"jam with.308,but most firearms don't.I am not an PPU fanboy,but consider them,produced to European and American quality standarts,as good reliable quality---When this ammo jams in a specific brand,this problem should be investigated,and the spent brass could give away valuable clues!
@@pe.bo.5038
7.62 NATO Maximum pressure (NATO EPVAT) 60,191 psi (415.00 MPa)
According to the official C.I.P. (Commission internationale permanente pour l'épreuve des armes à feu portatives) rulings, the . 308 Winchester can handle up to 415.00 MPa (60,191 psi) Pmax piezo pressure.
Why do we need 'the media' again? I've forgotten.
Government propaganda & misinformation.
To feed people lies and exaggerations, so all the fun and practical stuff is taken away, or something like that
To keep the people in a constant state of fear so that they will run to the govt for help 😂
Great job Jack. So tell us, What dumb arse WA government department do we have to potion to allow you to run a semi auto. As you said criminals don’t care about laws and it would make your very hard job just that little bit easier cheers and keep up the great work 👍🏻
Federal and PMC Is my favorite cheap ammo for literally everything. I know that the PMC stuff doesn't cheat you out of velocity like the other stuff even the more expensive stuff ive found to be weaker. I dont like Hornady ammo for this reason. Overpriced shit that doesn't give ypu velocity that they claim and the bullet construction doesn't have good quality control. I suggest everyone to stay away from Hornady until they get their shit straight
Damn……I feel sorry for y’all. How are you able to talk with that boot on your neck 24/7?
It look like you’re playing an FPS game when you run up to the camels and shoot them
Vote those people out who are restricting your rights.
If both major parties are restricting your rights? Then what? The 2 party duopoly has smothered out the alternatives.
Is there any metal on the rifle other than the barrel?
It's all alloy or steel, except for the stock, pistol grip, pump roller bushes and buffer
Most of the rifle is metal.
8:32 sorry about that wish you could have a real ar-10.
Meanwhile in America ,i have a LWRC Repr 308 with 25 rd mags and a Vortex razor punching out to 800 yards.Amazing what your government allows you to have,a pump action AR10 ,freakin joke
Yeah, it’s crazy how most of the world can’t have what we have like in some parts of the world it’s crazy bananas too be able to own a suppressor.
@codydaniel7058 across the water in New Zealand, they can buy suppressors off the shelf with no extra steps, absolutely ridiculous
Ppu sucks...
The only time i use it is for so obsolete they are the only maker...
And then i find Fiocchi makes it, so... no ppu.
A $200 3d printer (Creality Ender 3) has completely killed gun control. Act accordingly :)
I wanna ask Jack, I am a big fan but I’ve seen in a few of your videos that you have some very… special magazines. Did u just remove the spacer from them and replace the spring or did you get them imported from overseas. Anyway, if you are I would like to request for you not to show them on any videos as if a coppa who knows gun laws comes across your videos featuring these special magazines you’ll be the next headline on the nightly news about why we need to ban guns. As a fellow shooter I am just asking you not to give the media and the tyrants more ammunition to use against us gun owners of W.A.
We are in Western Australia and follow the laws and legislation that is applicable to us here.
We would never do anything that would impede our ability to hold a licence, nor affect law abiding citizens of our state.
Thanks for your concern 👍
@@jack_out_the_back In your most recent full 30 minutes long video with your daughter, after shooting the camels in the pen you were repacking your magazines. I could clearly hear your daughter count to 15 as you were loading ammunition. I want to give you the benefit of the doubt here mate but showing very distinct 20 round PMAG magazines on camera then having your daughter count the rounds going into them doesn’t really help your case. I am from W.A which is why I am very concerned about this as I am trying to campaign against this tyrannical law that the paper pushers are trying to push onto us. Also the MPR308 is being attacked by the media (made national news) so if you do get tied up with the media chasing you with illegal magazines you might be the reason the MPR308 gets banned. Don’t be that guy.
Ever wish yall had a second amendment??
Not really, maybe different regulations for firearms selections for station owners.
I do
Every day mate
You wouldn't by any chance take a South African as a worker?
Looks like a head spacing problem
The only issue is with PPU ammunition, they work great with everything else
@@chocky223 ya it's a head spacing problem with those shells. Take a micrometer measuring tool and check the size against your other ammo.I think the thicker brass is the problem causing them to stick in the barrel and eject harder
All anyone has to do is watch ur channel and see that u guys def need these at very least but 100% need semi auto. And look at all the gang shootings all around aus the last 20 years they are all done with illegal smuggled handguns there is only a handful done with a shotty or rifle aussie gun laws are great but way too strict for legit shooters.
Sounds like they’re not that great at all then.
Please define the term 'REAL WORLD' for me.
Thats bullshit bro u guys should b allowed semi autos for this kind of work u lose too much time and ur aiming position everytime u chamber a round. I always thought if u get the right licence and legit reason u can have semi's that sux balls