BODY CAM: American Fork police find two of Ruby Franke's daughters during her arrest (reupload)
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- čas přidán 5. 06. 2024
- Body camera footage reveals the moments when American Fork police find two of Ruby Franke’s daughters miles away from their mother and her associate Jodi Hildebrandt as they were being arrested.
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Chapters
00:00 - Police Knock at the Door
2:30 - Bodtcher Detained
5:46 - Officer Calls DPS
13:41 - Officer Speaks to Bodtcher
19:11 - Husband and Daughter on Porch with Officer
35:59 - Officer Speaks to Husband
45:10 - Officer Stays with Daughter
50:38 - Springville Police Arrive
53:26 - Second Daughter Comes Out
1:16:10 - DFCS Arrives
1:19:07 - DFCS Questions Bodtcher
1:35:40 - DFCS Takes Daughters
1:49:11 - Officers Stay with Husband and Daughters During DFCS Questioning
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Editor Notes:
The footage was edited by the American Fork Police Department and KSL TV to protect the identity of the two juveniles and the home of Pam Bodtcher.
During some parts of the video, American Fork police officers turned off the sound to their cameras.
This is a re-upload of an incomplete video provided by KSL TV.
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The fact that Ruby’s kids are all silent in front of all of law enforcement is a huge red flag 🚩
It’s not really. The one thing people are constantly told is don’t say anything unless you have a lawyer or parent/guardian
How many of these videos have you watched where people make comments saying “don’t say anything unless you have legal advice”
I’d tell my kids the same thing
They are strangers. The red flags should have been people watching them with the mother and I heard she had complaints with her social media videos with how they interacted.
Parents generally teach kids to see law enforcement as the good guy and you should always trust them. Why a child would be afraid of law enforcement is telling. They likely know their siblings have been b3ing tortured and figuref out its day of reckoning
Who the h tells their little kids to stay quiet until you have a lawyer present?
yes, you have the right to remain silent. but she isn't just staying silent - she's staying stark still and emotionally guarded, and its eerie.
It's amazing how all the parties involved have their attorneys on speed dial
😅
Money speaks.....
Exactly! You read my mind, I don't even know a lawyer LOL!!!
In fairness to him, at least he didn’t answer the door already on the phone with them…
Edit: honestly the more I watched the dude didn’t seem to be hiding anything just a little nervous of police and wants to know. His wife wasn’t so clear
Hahaha lol
“Kids were found bound and malnourished in a safe, ok, but I am pissed my wife is in handcuffs in a police car in our driveway, it’s embarrassing” There is something very off with this entire group of people. Unbelievable.
Exactly what a lot of us are thinking, apparently. It's like they all look at kids as property or just free labor. How they're treated is incidental. Sad how they are all connected by religion, too.
Exactly what I came here to say. Not one of them was surprised or concerned about the children
Sure seems they would be upset even if its just a friends child.
@@goofydumbgoofyhobtch2765 Really.. the old man wasn't trying to protect the girl standing behind him? Better watch again!
@@CrowSpirit1977 Took him an hour to not worry about the embarrassment of his wife being in a cop car. Also NOT ONCE did these people ask about the children who their friends were accused of abusing. Not even a little concerned. Not once did they say “that can’t be right”. Apparently didn’t their maid to leave huh?
We found the siblings of the 2 kids that are in your house, tied up with duct tape and handcuffs in your friend’s basement abused and malnourished with open wounds…. The response of a normal parent/person would be OMG! Who? Are they ok? What can I do to help!!! These people are all wackos….
You have to remember where this is and what religion/cult they’re a part of.
What cult would that be? They didn't appear to be wackos and I'm sure they were in shock about the whole occurrence. I don't get the online smear campaign because they knew Ruby and must be guilty of something.
@@hhealy7199 do your research. That will lead you to more of an “understanding”, which is what you’re seeking apparently. It’s all out there now about how “involved” this woman was with Jodi. Also, if you’re an adult, don’t play ignorant about what religion ALL of these people are a part of.
I'm convenced! They have all been abused at some point. The welfare of the children are not a concern because they would say the child is to blame for the abuse they recieve. This whole situation is bad.
And evil
In all of these interviews that have been published this afternoon not one person who is detained or questioned asked if the children were okay. Not one.
It's absolutely enraging and utterly heartbreaking. The fact that Pam's husband said the thing that "Gets him" is that his wife is detained in handcuffs in a squad car. Meanwhile he was just told that the girls mom was arrested for child abuse. These people are absolutely unbelievable.
No one cares just sickening
Yes and that is disgusting. The father had not seen his kids in over a year. What kind of a father is he? He should never be allowed near those kids , he abandoned them . He knew what was going on and did not report it.
@SweetlyHome their perceptions are absolutely in line with how their delusional religious cults work. No surprise at all
it's the same people who tout the whole "save the children" spiel too, in reality they don't care whatsoever. sickening
He’s bothered that his wife is sitting in the back of a patrol car. What about the two innocent kids lying in a hospital bed because your wife’s “friend” is arrested for alleged child abuse.
I’ve watched every single video on this case and nobody, absolutely nobody except the 911 caller and his wife, the first responders and law enforcement showed any shock or disbelief when hearing about how the children were found and the condition they were in. Unbelievable.
exactly never once did Ruby ask how the foster parents were treating her children never once did she take any responsibility or express any remorse for what she said she was brainwashed to do that is so ridiculous she keeps on crying about the situation that she's in and she doesn't want to put herself in those children's shoes that is so definite narcissist and I feel like this is a Jada Will Smith situation and her husband is probably feeling great being in control for once and she finally needs him
Wonder if they got paid for cleaning the house? The grass sure looks well mowed.
It’s a US problem people just care about their own. No consideration for others outside their direct family.
i also wonder why those sisters never did anything for their younger siblings! one of them has a phone. I also noticed what u said, Pam knew there was an abuse goign on because she immediately confessed about making them clean etc. If I just had my friends children come by and they helped me willingly with cleaning i would not mention this because it is not a remarkable thing, why did her let her go away w it! She is also the co founder of connextions if am not mistaken
I noticed the exact same thing. Makes you wonder how many other kids were or are being abused as a result of these women.
Every time the cops tell them they found children emaciated and locked up, these adults just casually respond, “ok”, like that wasn’t at all surprising to them.
Agree! I would've been shocked and devastated!! Even more so having known the kids...
Ikr! Just an ordinary day for em😢
The biggest thing that bugs this guy, he said is his wife seeing a car with handcuffs. Not that two children have been severely abused by two of their friends! I didn't hear either one of these grown adults ask if those children were okay.
Why is this couple not shocked that their friends are being accused of child abuse?
There are a lot of priorities right now such as one of them being detained, the husband wondering why his wife was being detained, and when they heard they are involved in a criminal investigation regarding child abuse they were probably wondering how much they were implicated.
I think they are shocked and that’s why there’s not much of a reaction.
Not even SLIGHTLY concerned even!
The two girls were with their mom and Jodie when the little ones were being abused. I would guess they told Pam and husband. So the couple are distancing themselves like crazy. He pretends to be a doddering idiot and all Pam has ever done was make jam and salsa and feed kids ice cream. Horrible culture.
Because they believe in child slavery and are only concerned for themselves and not the children. They were getting free help through the overseers who were her parents.
Never seen children sit so quiet she doesn’t even move a muscle
These children have been severly abused
That's o.k because it will All be minimized ,because these Agencies make up the arms , leg's ,and head of the Protected Empire of DCFS Worldwide !
They look freaking terrified.
They were told they could sit there.
They've been told not to say a word by their mother. They're extremely abused. This poor girl probably knows what's going on. You'd think she'd be happy. Though she doesn't look to be starved like the littler ones. Which says a lot.
Can you imagine the lies they've been told about Sherry that they don't want to go stay with her.
Before: “My wife has been best friend is Ruby for years, they are great people” After “we barely know them, the girls just come here to scrub the floors and work”
HE barely knows them not WE
This female cop needs an award for keeping the husband calm and talking calmly!
She really needs to get a bonus. She is on top of this situation and handles everything and everyone perfectly.
Notice these children are trained to NOT talk to or trust police???
BOTH!
Yes both I agree with you!
yup i can tell by the way the girl is standing she’s sweating and wants to say something or hopes the cop sees something . i’m glad the cop said out loud you don’t have to look at grandpa to know where your shoes are . she smart to say that outside cuz the camera couldn’t see that
Yes.. its disturbing
It's a fear tactic fundamentalist use to control children, they tell them police and social workers are going to take them and abuse and brainwash them against their families. The kids are so scared, they imagine it will be WORST than what their parents are doing to them now
"Your close friend's children were found malnourished and bound in a safe" . . . and not a flicker of surprise or concern or disbelief - something is very wrong! And the cops are all so super nice and professional and patient with them.
Too nice in this case. The man and woman here being questioned have no concern for the abused kids!!
@@joyceanderson8648 Yes, you are right. How would most of us react to hear that our best friend had abused her children, but not a flicker of surprise and no concern at all. Horrible beyond belief!
Sandramary- I totally agree, yet these people and no doubt others have got away Scot free?????? Evil!
@@Themoonsaballoon Too true!
They were getting free labor from her friend children of course she new about the abuse
He is more worried about what the neighbors think then about the children , nice guy !
He'd have a fit if he knew that months later, people like me on a different continent would be watching and seeing every detail!
@@welshgitI love the exposure this video has. Just this channel alone has over 1mil views and it’s on many other channels too.
So them worrying about a few neighbors seeing police in their driveway is small stuff now. 😂
I hope the world sees how shady and creepy Pam and her husband are.
Pam is/was President of ConnXections and was fully aware of, and I think participated in, the abuse.
And there is some thing very shady about the husband and his demeanor with the girls.
I wish they were investigated and charged with at least conspiracy or accessory or something. They are not innocent!
Good luck, Botchers, at least the world has seen what kind of people you are.
That's kinda weird that he called Greg and when Greg showed up, "Nah that guy was here about the windows. I don't know why he came by." Sure, I know there's lots of Gregs in the world, but what are the odds a different Greg shows up minutes after he called one and then waves him off? And like someone else pointed out, it's also weird that everyone being investigated on this case has an attorney on their contacts list. Also, the fact that the 2 people that started ConneXion were giving life advice and parenting classes and are now incarcerated for the abuse, that's mildly terrifying. Hopefully not that many people took it to heart
100%
It's weird that Greg turned up right after he called Greg and yet Greg never came. Sure, there could be two Greg's. One's a window guy and the other is his lawyer, or... he called Greg to come over (wording it to sound like he was talking to his lawyer) thinking he would see the police cars, alerting him to what's happening, and allowing him to warn others/hide whatever else it is we don't know about. He seemed pretty concerned when he realised that Greg hadn't left yet..
@@betadecay6503yeah and “Greg” the window guy shows up at 6:30 in the the evening to talk about windows, when there just happen to be two young girls there that appear to be too afraid to breathe without permission 🤔
So he said he'll call his attorney, then he says Gregg can you come over I need your help, Gregg shows up, then he doesnt know what Gregg is doing there plus who called him up but then Gregg is now the windo guy
What is going on here, its amazing how calm they are wow coulda fooled me
@@lizetteschuman something real shady about “Greg”.
Something REAL shady about the Botchers.
I can feel the slimy through the screen with these two.
Ruby has 6 kids. 2 are in college & dont speak to her. 2 are found at her biz partner, Jodi's, home (a few hours away) abused and starved. These two teenage girls are found at her 3rd biz partner's home being used as housemaids, too terrified to speak, in yet another part of the state. Strange all rhe way around.
How are they business partners? Please explain what you know about Pam and Ruby Frankie’s business dealings I hadn’t heard about this yet.. but I mean admittedly I haven’t really kept up with, or generally know, anything about this whole situation..
You bet it is. Coincidentally, we're having company from Costa Rica?
With I'd seen this before i posted. There to clean her house and visitors fro Puerto Rico sounds super dodgy.
To be fair were assuming she's taking advantage of free labor , because even tho doubtful it's possible She is paying the girls .
@@triciastewart5529 Costa Rica
Officer: "Kids were found starved and locked in a safe." Husband: "ok, but you know what really bugs me? My wife sitting in your car in handcuffs."
Don’t forget how ‘embarrassing’ it is there’s cops in the driveway…. Me me me
The mentality of people is me first.
Then the judgement that the dcfs worker isn’t wearing some 1000$ suit when she’s paid $14-$20 a hour…
Plus kids respond better to humans not suits.
Think outside your me box!
I don't fault that man at all. My dad would not take kindly to my mom being in handcuffs knowing she did nothing wrong no matter what the situation is.
The kids’ situation is not right in front of him, and the accusation is so unlike anything he’s experienced, he’s not processing it.
Exactly!
@@meaganconstable860Too bad
When the officer told him the child would be taken into custody. He offered no support or reassures to the kid. Didn't ask why. Poor kid just standing there, not knowing what's going on in complete silence. He doesn't even look at her. Offer any comfort. He stands with his back to her. It's so strange
It's pathetic how all of these adults are so concerned about themselves but have ZERO concerns for the children in their charge.
This woman had these girls out of school scrubbing her floors. She should be serving time as well. She knew exactly what was going on.
Exactly! I didn't finish the video so maybe they ask but why hasn't anyone inquired yet why they're being used to landscape and clean the house? Was it to earn money? Or are they slaves?
First of all, they were homeschooled, they were picked up because Ruby rang her, and asked if she would, because of a family emergency. She took them out for ice-cream and they had lunch, before they all cleaned. It helps watching the whole video, before jumping to conclusions.
@@danpedersen55 I dunno, she said at 15:43 "I did *make* her scrub the floor and vacuum and stuff... but she did it of her own freewill". Well, which was it? She contradicted herself. 😡
She picked them up from a pool as a favor, they spent the day with her. They got ice cream, ate lunch, helped her clean house. Next project was picking tomatoes and making salsa. In the past she has helped them with sewing projects and making jam. Those are alll normal activities and being with this lady and her grumpy old man was probably a relief.
@@villanelle8888 I think it was a very bad joke, she did say that but later on she said that she vacuumed upstairs, while the sisters were cleaning downstairs. To me it sounds like they're helping, not being enslaved. I found this, about the incident, and I think if there were any wrongdoing, she would have been charged.
Bodtcher has not been charged with any crimes connected to this case and Springville Police say she fully cooperated with their investigation.
My brain keeps comparing the aggressively selfish behaviour of these two creeps to the concern and distress of the lovely neighbours whose house the son ran to for help.
Yeah it's hard to watch...
Really creepy and seems like they knew exactly what was going on, despite their protestations.
That husband of the Connexions CEO absolutely knows what is going on with Ruby, and he's more concerned with appearances. What a creep. 😳
Creeps is a good word
I balled my eyes out just listening to the concerned husband and wife as they began process the horrors of what RF endured.
Him being a nurse and not caring about the condition of hearing children tied up starved etc …… thank god the children are all away from all these people the trauma they will have to overcome for years sickening.
He may not have believed it.
Can we talk about the staff at the pool who just LET some lady take 2 kids away because she said there was a 'family emergency'??!!
Why are Pam and her Husband not upset, outraged, confused, asking questions, why they don’t seem to flinch when hearing the allegations? It’s just disturbing. All of it. And clearly Mom was pawning her kids off to friends of hers to make them do chores, scrub floors and clean. Sickening. Were these kids in school? Surely not. There is no redemption for anyone involved in harming children. Period. These people are SICK and delusional and evil.
Maybe on August 30 school had not started yet.
She said “ I did make her scrub the floors, she wanted to” I have company coming from Argentina was it? What is going on here?
Costa Rico
@@destinyslure2496 I truely believe these older people are honest hard working citizens trying to enjoy their retirement. They got too close to the Ruby gang and ended up with egg on their face😏🙃😢
I was wondering the same thing. You hear kids are locked in safes, malnourished and abused and you want to know why they are coming to your house. I would be so upset and asking if those other children are okay? Are they safe now? I would be freaking and crying over the harm done to those babies. Also the husband not allowing the child to step outside. These people are not innocent, their reactions show they know the kids are being abused
These mormon husbands are WILD. Its always "hows my wife" and never "hows my kids". Him and Kevin both
I totally agree and in the father's interview, even after what they had just told him she's been doing to his children.He said he loves his wife and stands by his wife.That made me sick to my stomach
right
Didn’t even think about that!!
There it is...our lovely anti-Lds crew chiming in
@@gregholden8812 your cult sucks, get over it
That girl needs permission to move a single muscle. She's a statue.
That girl barely moved...terrified. Trained to be very compliant and keep quiet.🥺
The guy barely acknowledged that she was standing right there, never checked in to let her know they would figure everything out and if she was ok. Just disgusting.
These people are not even showing any shock at the news just creepy..hidden behind a mask of " respectability "
They know stuff.
I think officers did a very good job trying to calmly inform everyone and female trying to offer support to young teen.💜
Does anyone find it disturbing that these kids are lent out to scrub other peoples floors and clean their houses. The homeowner seems to think she’s entitled to the service. This is very strange to me.
I find it extremely odd and these ppl just behave like it was totally normal.
Yeah it is weird. One thing to do chores to earn money at home but at other people houses. Seen some mow lawns for extra cash.
Um. Well. I cleaned my parents' friend's house a couple times when I was growing up. Dusting and mopping the floor, mostly. Had a lovely convo during and after, borrowed books, learned a lot from a very cultured woman, and definitely didn't feel lent out. It's pretty normal to ask your children to do favors or do them yourself for others, especially when say one of them just started walking after ankle surgery and they have company coming in from out of country that night (allegedly although they corroborated that independently).
Doing favors or asking for favors isn't inherently evil.
The lack of emotional responses these two had to what they were being told is. Pam was completely unsurprised about the abuse allegations. And the casual way that he lied about calling Greg? I was totally confused at how many Gregs this guy knew when all of a sudden a window-guy Greg showed up minutes after he called his attorney Greg.
I'm not saying these two are saints - something is definitely off about them - and I am FAR from defending Ruby or Jody, but in general and in a HEALTHY way encouraging your children to help others fosters empathy in them. Getting money for a task isn't always the best reward.
@@CHilger85 Pam and her husband seemed pretty capable themselves and I think it’s completely different from let’s say help with moving and cleaning once in a while than just make kids regularly to clean your friends houses while they themselves are very capable.
@@GirlfromFinland Not saying I believe her 100%, but according to Pam, the girls were cleaning the basement while she did the main floor and they were going to ALL go pick tomatoes and ALL going to make salsa and they'd hung out a handful of times at each other's houses learning different home crafts. I'm sorry. With all the atrocities committed by this group, I don't think lending the children out as labor was one of them but we'll likely never know the truth.
"The reason I am here is because DCF found Ruby's kids starving and locked in a basement ...." and then NO reaction from this guy!!! that's not a red flag signal... he's just a giant red flag!
And the fact that he was suspicious about the police taking the girls and talked about wanting to "protect" them from the police is also a big red flag.
@@kareninalabama Not really. If you had kids at your house and the police came and tried to take them away, you would be wary too.
@@davidt01they arnt his
@@JaydenJayden-mm2kr Yes exactly. If I had a neighbor's or friend's kids at my house, I would be extra protective because I have an obligation to the parents to protect them. In this case, the guy wasn't aware it was actually their own mother that was the problem.
To be fair, he may have not believed it or understood it at the time.. shock, maybe.
Ruby and friends show more concern for themselves and other adults than they do for children. This is sick
Bro straight up called Greg and told him to get down there bc he needed help then straight up gaslit everyone saying he never called Greg 😭
All he cares about is having Police cars in his driveway. Really How many times did he talk about the horror of what his neighbors see!
I like how the female cop blows through the BS. Look, we already told you that we have a warrant to take the child into custody so either way she will be leaving with Springfield.
Barefoot or not
If u run we will chase you. There talking to each other. Watch them there going to run. I really feel for thoes grils. F the po po.
What time stamp was that please?
@@sugarplumfairy4201:12:48 the girl gets up to whisper to her sister
@@xhandhele Thank you!
I've watched the father's interview, the mother's interview, Jodi's interview, and now this one, and not one of the adults asked how the children were doing. The only people who were concerned about the children were the neighbors who called 911, the EMTs, the police officers, the investigators. None of the adults actually involved with the children cares one whit.
Right!!! Mind blowing. Everyone is involved & was well aware ahead of time. They can't even ACT like they care. Disgusting
That figures. Pure evil.
Not even this husband asked !!!
Or Pam she went oh didn’t even ask more about the kids 😢 pam was named in Rubys journals
Not 🚫 one
Pam Bodtcher has been besties with Jodi for decades. She needs to investigated and arrested also!
The fact that he gives her permission to rock in the chair tells me that she does not normally get to sit there.
Thank you, I caught that too!! He’s guilty as sin. Those girls fear him and her so much. This is so sad. 😞
@@suzzanimalchannel1030the more I sit here and watch her behavior around him the more I wonder what he’s done to her when his wife isn’t around.
I am not trusting these two adults , something smells funky
Pam is the President of the business, that's why she's not surprised or asks questions about the 2 young siblings. 😢
@@stephendowling9050and their are people in the comment section literally DEFENDING these two people!!! It’s literally insane!!
@@stephendowling9050 president of what business? Genuinely asking ... I'm not terribly familiar with all of this.
Shes the president of connections
@@LynetteA68they were found to have done NOTHING wrong. Nothing. If you hire domestic help and treat them well, that makes you guilty of NOTHING. What is wrong with all of you?
He's not worried about his wife being detained in the backseat, he's worried about what she may tell the police. Something is off about them.
Exactly
Well, they ARE big buds with Hildebrandt, so...
It's like a weird child abuse cult. I'd investigate the whole religion.
LDS seems to have alot of weird things going on
Oh I think it's Franke they are buddies with
That guy is 1000% pissed that he isnt in control of the situation. He's getting a little to upset about a random minor child leaving his house.
Literally NOBODY’s question or concern is about the CHILDREN. It’s all for themselves. That says everything we need to know. They know and now we know that they know. Period.
Children don’t go to your house on their own free will to clean someone house. They are children.
Exactly. Whoever was like "Mom! May I please go to your friends' house so I can willingly scrub their floors?" Most kids don't even know their parent's friends, let alone even the names of their parent's friends.
I grew up Mormon and its not uncommon to work for free. It's built into the culture to "serve". Especially since the husband had foot surgery and they are old. This is the way the community runs. Not child labor. I actually really appreciate the way I was taught to work hard but there is so much more wrong with the religion than that.
@@courtneyko1466 I appreciate you explaining that aspect of the Mormon tradition. It does seem that the generosity of spirit could be abused by manipulative individuals however.
@@courtneyko1466Pam is not too old or poor to hire an adult to do her own housework though. True “service” is helping elderly people, poor people, disabled people, etc who cannot help themselves and suffer without help. Pam actually said that “I made her scrub the floor”. This is not normal except within this culture that children are used in this way. Service for kids is not doing something an adult could easily pay for.
@@DeniseSyrett anyone who is Mormon or could be Mormon, meaning they are taking missionary discussions and learning the beliefs of the Mormon church, is considered worthy of service. I think Pam was talking tongue in cheek and not really literally. I think to a certain degree she knows that it's wrong to have your friend's kids clean your house like that but I am pointing out how this is very culturally normal. To outsiders it may seem like child labor but to us growing up in it, it never felt like we were doing anything that violated our human decency or childhood.
This woman most definitely knew. They should have taken her in for more questioning. Allowing him to call Ruby was wrong, that could have put another child in danger. Watching this child’s reaction when she asked about her shoes tells me a lot.
It has come out that she's listed as President of Connexions. She 100% knows exactly what's going on and Kevin says there are documents to prove it.
Ruby is a life coach. Teaching people how to be responsible she said.. omg
"I did make her sweep the floor, but she did it of her own free will"? Which is it, lady: You made her or she volunteered? Later in the video, we discover that the girls have been there for hours cleaning this particular day and that this is hardly the first time.
If these American children have been abused by their own parents and acquaintances like imagine how the illegal migrants are treated. Biden has no soul.
Imagine not feeling you can answer a question whether you have shoes with you.
How many times does this woman need to talk about these girls cleaning? This seems odd - she doesn’t word it positively about them either, she doesn’t say “these girls are so helpful and come and help me” it is like they are her maids but she is not paying them no?
These people need to be investigated as well. Picked up her "good" friend's kids to have them clean their house? Zero concern when hearing about the child abuse allegations? They're all in some kind of child abuse cult it seems.
This is the real child exploitation happening all over the US. And much of it is endorsed and proliferated by a religious group/cult. They live by the tenets of “spare the rod, spoil the child” and “ honor thy father and mother” which to these religious fanatics mean to obey every command and every wish. The children will have a lifetime of healing after what they have endured. 😢
They're weird too
I feel that, too. I also wonder if SA was discovered in this case (?) A horrible thought, but hiring out your children to business partners for free, basically, when they should be in school is sooo Sus.
I believe Pam worked for Jodi.
Bully you are.
This is so triggering! Raised LDS, severely abused, taught that law/ police were bad. We were "pimped out" for free labor for babysitting, yard work, house work, put in terrible situations- all for the "glory and good image of my parents". When abuse (S, E, P) was discovered, no one came to help us. We were told the bishop knew, and that was enough. I hid their lies and abuse for too long! It took my years as an adult and therapy to finally fight. And now that i have repeatedly reported mine, siblings, and even current ongoing abuse nothing will be done. (With ample proof and documentation) The "church" has say and power over all of it. They are enmeshed in the law enforcement and CPS/DCFS. It is disgusting to watch this man act so entitled with no concern about the kids. I would guess that the older girls were being forced to work for these people, and others- just like R and E at Jodie's and the planned ranch in Arizona. There is too much to say or write. This is a huge issue, especially within "The LDS Church".
I wondered why they were over there scrubbing floors and she never mentioned paying them.
🙏🙏🙏🙏
It is normal to have to work for repentance, for punishment, working on getting them to complete 100% obedience and compliance. It is a very sick cult, that has hurt so very many people.
I feel for you…… just keep taking good care of yourself! big hug from here
@@michellefregeau321 Thank you, kind stranger. I am, and will! 💓
After hearing about the abused children hidden in a safe- This man says “children pay the price” ugh he’s disgusting
I’m not sure that’s what he meant..I heard it as children pay the price for the sins of their parents..
Love how these people have a lawyer on speed dial.
whomever pieced this together at KSL News should be given an award.....good job!
Maybe next time she’ll hire actual maids. These people make me sick
I actually thought the same!
Love how after he learns of the abuse he doesnt check up on the girl, he just talkes about his ankle feeling sorry for himself. Absolute no empathy or concern for anyone of them but himself. Also they hide one of the daughters for so long. Suspicious af
A #1 Jerk imo
It makes me wonder how compassionate he was during his nursing career.
@@Litigator-4-life Had this exact thought! These two are not to be trusted.
@@Desantisgogoboots Did you notice what his wife said at 15:43? "I did *make* her scrub the floor and vacuum and stuff... but she did it of her own freewill". she contradicted herself. 🤬
Bro needs his hard drive checked ASAP imo
I'd be a lot more understanding if Pam and her husband had been more surprised about the conditions they found at Ruby's house, also, the fact the other sister was there and they didn't mention it until they had no choice.
Why do you have this girl mopping your floors???
Pam knows much more than she told the police. Had to pick up the girls due to a family emergency and she chooses to have these kids scrub her floors and clean her house? Kind of like how Ruby and Jodie had the kids doing forced manual labor? How did Pam walk away scott free? She was also the president or something similar of connections. Even Jodies nice Jessie said Pam had first hand knowledge of what Jodie was doing to her. Maybe she didn't get arrested but I hope the people where she lives have made it unbearable for these people to show their face. Deplorable people
Pam was mentioned in Ruby’s journals!
Am I wrong in thinking that there is a connection between Pam and Jodi Hildebrand? Pam and her husband don't seem too shocked that Ruby is in custody for child abuse! If she knows the family and is told two children were abused and tied up -- then she knows who the two kids are! So suspicious.
In Ruby's diary she wrote that work brings you closer to God (the opposite of the actual Bible "faith not deeds") and yet she loans her kids to do all of the chores for her lazy chunky friends.
Kudos to the female officer. She did a great job of keeping the situation deescalated by being polite, friendly and showing interest in the girls.
🐟😂🐟😂🐟😂🐟😂🐟😂🐟
She was quite rude to the girl asking about shoes
She also didn’t know what they were detaining the wife for till later. I am guessing she would have been more formal with them if she thought they too could be abusing the kids.
@@shelliewilliams2750She didn’t know why the girl was wanted and likely expected the girl to go get her shoes. Not knowing she was possibly abused the young girls behavior can be considered defiant. Sad case.
She was rude af to the man several times, or did you miss that part because she tried to hide it behind open ended questions about the man like she actually cared? "Okaaayyy" patronizing and rude
The husband just lied to the police about greg!! He called greg right when the police arrived and told him to come to help him and when asked about him he said he was the window dude . He just called him to help right in front of the other police officer
The police are allowed to lie to us, Just Say'n
YES....he knows whats going on 😡!
He tells the girl she can sit on the chair and rock if she wants to, sounds like she needed permission to do that... Who are these people?
Those girls did not scrub the floor "of their own free will." They scrubbed the floor boards because they knew that they'd be punished by their psychotic Mother if they didn't. My heart breaks for all of those poor children. They deserved loving parents and safe homes.
Wait….this lady was given an opportunity to ask an officer any questions AFTER being told kids are malnourished and found in a safe , yet she had no questions in her mind. Rrrrright
No questions because she already knew that’s why! Disgusting!
Thought that was weird too. Maybe she already knows what’s going on
its wild seeing how these two sisters interact and having been abused growing up, i can see an entire lifetime they lived without having to read a single court document about what they went thru. my heart < 3
Very telling behavior on the part of the two girls. Once they are on the porch it is as if they are statues. Freeze mode. An adaptive behavior they learned growing up to avoid being noticed, punished or attacked.
The lady homeowner says they're good friends but never asked which 2 kids they found locked/bounded. BECAUSE SHE KNEW WHICH 2 KIDS IT WAS ALREADY.
that's what I thought but no charges have ever been brought of them being complicit in anything
well the thing is that they had the two older girls with them in there house, and being friends with ruby would likely know that the two oldest kids were in college and not in contact with her... so that only leaves 2 other kids that would be the 2 that were found.
@rosalynties lol. I was thinking the same. I watched whole video and I don't think that they wanted to leave where they were.
And why didn’t she ask if they were ok or how they were!!?
@@rockersfromaz3001that part is def strange, she very easily couldve just been in shock from everything else and not been able to process it tho. im not sure. she is oddly calm about that.
I live in australia. One of my daughters had a friend who's family were members of LDS. All I can say, is whenever that child came to my house, be it for a birthday party, or a playdate, the parents would be literally, up to 5 hours late, in picking her up. They had been at the temple. Every time I dropped the child home, they were not there. When i would call them and explain that I was not comfortable leaving a six year old alone, They would begrudgingly take an hour or more to come home from the temple, only because I insisted, and refused to leave her. I have no doubt they went straight back there as soon as I left. These cults treat children like they are nothing. Scientology is the same. If not way worse.
With every child they have and bring into the LDS church, they get extra blessings and a faster ascension to godhood in heaven. This is taught.
@@betsybarnicle8016 Get closer to their own planet. It's easier than baptising dead people I guess.
Ok and with knowing & observing all this , did u call AIFS ,
CAPS, the Kids helpline , Lifeline or even 000!????
100% a cult. If you still don’t think so after all of this - Wow! It’s like they do not live in reality. Puppets with attorneys on speed dial.
Sounds like a call to CPS was warranted.
It feels sort of weird to have someone else’s child come and clean your house. Like my kids have chores and they help me around the house with dishes and dog poop and the floors. But I don’t expect them to be perfect or pristine, it’s just more to teach them how to clean. But there’s not a chance in the world I would ever allow someone else’s child to come into my home and clean.
Do people really just have attorneys on hand like this? I don’t have an attorney or a lawyer 😂
Pam’s husband saying “why are you asking her?” Really bugged me. Why is he being so rude? The police are trying to help CHILDREN.
Exactly! They are acting like the pizza man is trying to take the kids.
Yes? who knows what happen with both?!!!
Same with me.
Because cops just showed up at his house, unexpectedly. And are basically implying that he and his wife have done something wrong. He (they) have every right to ask questions and expect answers.
@@ellekay1721Well yeah thats what happens when you have a child in your home that isn’t supposed to be there and separated from all of their siblings while they’re being abused, plz don’t defend this
There is something really fishy with that husband and I am getting really creepy vibes from him.
Same here! He’s really weird
He’s giving PREDATOR
I agree fully
He talks a lot about himself because he wants to be the center of attention
The guy is gross something is off with them
4 minutes in and my first reaction is that this officer is very courteous and respectful, and that this lady is also very respectful and accommodating. I don't know if I would have been as calm as she is.
I just listened to the jail house calls from Ruby and when her husband tells her that “they got Abby and Julie”, she responds “how did they get them”…..Ruby knew exactly what she was doing when she called Pam (who lived in another area) to pick them up. These poor kids😪
Those little girls knew exactly why the police were there and that’s why they were so nervous and scared to talk.
This man is ridiculous! He is more worried about what his neighbors think than about the kids.
These 2 people are too calm and have no shocked reactions, which is bizarre. The girls themselves are afraid to talk, which is even more bizarre....something very strange going on here for sure.
He’s really going to be upset and embarrassed that these body cam videos are public for the world and all his neighbors to see
It took them SO long to actually get the 2nd sister outside and ensure her welfare
The rec center said A left with Pam early for a family emergency. Bogus. Ruby trying to hide. Ruby told Pam to pick up the other kid at ACE. So she did. The police didn’t know a child was picked up at another location. Just that not at Jodi’s and not at their home. The reason Pam didn’t take the kids home or to their mom was to hide them. The reason she got her before he shift ended yet had time for ice cream stop first was cause she was told to get away from places she would be found. They would not expect her at Pam’s or ice cream place. They would expect the girls home or at work. Ruby left the kids to leave the country alone why on earth would a 15 and 16 year old not be okay in the house for a time? She didn’t drop the girls at where there mom was. Or home. Or Kevin’s. Or a relative. And she said she would bring them home later. She really had no other answer to how long they would be at her house. So why not just drop them off after collecting them without the floor scrubbing and ice cream? Weird isn’t it. The reason she was not charged is she didn’t obstruct the police from taking them into foster care and she did not harm the two little ones at the center of the initial incident.
I would be horrified if I had a child in my care and found out their siblings were hurt and locked away. I would have only been able to focus on that in all honesty.
Same .
For real, weird reaction 😳
Part of the connections money is in this woman's name. She knows. She believes the same as them.
They used them as slaves
They both seem mean spirited. The kids must've figured out what was happening.
Why is nobody shocked at the fact that two children have been abused all these people they interview don’t seem to care at all
They should be arrested for child exploitation
They were being used as servants to other people. My guess is that they were not compensated other that going to an ice cream shop
I agree.
@@HerMajesty1 and who knows if that was even a lie or not!
Nope. Kids clean and do work.
I mowed lawns as a teen. I split wood as a teen.
Kids can do more than sit on their butts and play video games or make videos for t-tok.
Please never sit on a jury. Thanks
Of course chores are part of growing up. This is different. The kids were clearly abused and looks like they were farmed out as labor for Ruby's friends.
Who offers to pick up a friend's kid so they can come help her clean their house?!!! And Pam said, "I made her clean the floors...we're having guests." This is a child labor ring...and worse. Sickening.
The guests just so happen to be coming from Costa Rica..
Does it matter where the guests are from?
What’s up with both this lady and jodi having air bnb in their homes? are they clients from connextions coming to learn?? even ruby was searching for a home large enough to have air bnb
@@lindylessard5804 I didn't say it did; re-read my comment. I was stating her reason for having the girls 'scrub' her house for her....never mentioned the guests' origin. That has nothing to do with what's going on with these abused children.
She didn’t offer to pick the kids up, Rube Franke called her and said she had a family emergency and could she pick up the girls. She then said well I need help cleaning anyway as I have guests coming tonight from Costa Rica !
“I did MAKE her scrub the floor and vacuum” 🤬 Not ask, pay,…. She said what she said. I understand the husband’s “concern”, but it’s odd af. He’s definitely aware of the abuse those kids are going through. Why aren’t they being charged again?
Did i miss something why dont they mention having the second daughter they act like its just the one im only 40mins in and im reading comments about both girls are there but so far no one has mentioned the second where is she
Funny how they ( Pam and her husband) don’t act surprised or even the slightest bit concerned when they hear about these starving, malnourished, abused children! If someone told me that my friends’ kids were found in such a condition I’d be freaking out asking a bunch of questions like, “ Which child”? “Are they okay”? “Can I do anything?”, etc.
These ppl are ALLLLLL shady AF!
I think they were in shock of what they heard. Pam’s husband said he didn’t even know Ruby but his wife did.
You really believe he doesn't know Ruby---his wife's business partner and close enough friend to be the "go-to" person to pick up their kids when arrested?! It's not the first time the kids were over there doing real work either. It couldn't be more obvious this couple isn't right. @@chanelv5373
Me to
"Can I do anything?"
"Yes. You can just keep sitting in my squad car with handcuffs on."
They have done something, that girl was standing behind him the whole time, hands together. She wouldn’t let her children go with someone who she could potentially tell on her.
Can't believe they didn't enter the house straight away warrant or not, the fact that young girl shut the door knowing her sister was still inside don't sit right, these adults are involved 100%.When was the officers told her sister was still inside, did i miss that part?
1:19:26 - "They came to clean my house". 😡 Clean your own house, lady.
Dude they’re clearly all swimming in money, they could totally afford a maid service.
She's absolutely obsessed with the house cleaning. She mentioned it so many times! What a freak.
@@freshair611 "I made them clean the house but they did it of their own freewill", she totally contradicted herself.
@@villanelle8888 100%. She makes me sick.
It’s a Mormon thing. Serving others. Very typical.
When the older woman didn't show any emotions about the children being locked in a safe, that's what shocked me.
Oh gosh...everybody has their own tempture......She isn't cold as ICE..
She actually sounded shocked, she repeated back "a safe"?
he's blocking her from leaving his crime scene....human trafficking at its worst
The whole time there was another girl in the house. If it wasn't for 'slip of the lip', the officers would have never known. What is going on in Utah?!😳😳
The poor teenager was scared to death, and the female officer was trying so hard to comfort her. I could feel the concern in the officer’s mind and gut about what could happen to the girl if she were to be sent back to her evil mother.
The teenager was terrified to answer a simple question. Do you have shoes? Where are your shoes at?
Not difficult or scary questions. Scared to say the wrong thing.
The officers didn't know anything about what was going on initially. It wasn't till after the two of them had been left alone that either of the officers found out anything about the case.
I think the lady cop is just not great at interacting cause it just seemed awkward anytime she talked. Or maybe was just my impression
@@K_c_Bthe cops knew only what they were told about the children that were found at Jodie’s house. She’s using a deescalation tactic to keep the husband from tripping out and the girls to gain their trust.
Foster care might be worse. No good options for abused children.
@@K_c_B He was hard to talk to. He was openly hostile at first. I thought she did a good job of finding nonthreatening subject to introduce, to get him to settle down. He became right friendly when she started sympathizing about his ankle.
Something tells me there’s big suspiciousness coming off the 2 weirdos with the teen looking girl. There was zero reaction from the man when the officer told him about children locked in the basement and the audacity of him to say the biggest thing that bothered him was his wife being cuffed in front of their neighbors. Those people seem like there’s something else going on.
yeah it's really disgusting. this guy doesn't sound like the sharpest tool in the shed. how dare he act nonchalant about children being locked up and malnourished yet care so much about what the neighbours might think of cops in their driveway. what a POS.
I’m curious
Children that are raised with this type of abuse bc of family religion do they grow up and become like their parents and do the same things to their own children?
They knew to never talk to cops.First thing is they are never your friend.if they DETAIN you they don't have to arrest you and read yo the MIRANDA rights which means you don't have any recourse to you not speaking. They can't threaten with obstruction charges when you don't answer them.They love people speaking and yes they bring up anything ou say in court
@@marymcmahon7616pretty much. It's hard to be a good parent if you've never known what a parent should be.
@@marymcmahon7616
RELIGION has nothing to do with their criminal behavior. They chose to do what they did of their own free will! Stop blaming religions for social problems. Just because you may have a prostitute in your family DOESN'T MAKE EVERY FEMALE IN YOUR FAMILY A PROSTITUTE OR ANYTHING CLOSE TO IT. PEOPLE have their free agency to obey the law or to break the law and religions don't cause the biggest problems in society.
So free child labor and where is this company they had coming over? Its after 7pm and they don't appear to be expecting company
When he told her the little girl was foynd locked in a safe she seemed suprised that the officer called it a safe.
She definitely knew about the closet.
She wasnt shocked.
Just nonplussed at the officer calling it a safe.
Vile woman with a vile husband who have both escaoed justice
Pam really really wants to make sure everyone heard that she gave the girls ice cream, like it's super important to really empathize she did that, because it totally normalized having them do child labor for hours afterwards
Yup, she threw in that ice cream bit to make her self look good!
God how many times does she keep saying about salsa, she is has guilty as them 2 bastards and the kids husband and hers 🤬
All this is super cringe.
@@Cltumor Could have also been a lie!
This female officer needs an award!
I've watched all the police cam videos. What the most terrifying thing to me is NO ONE asked how the 2 abused children are.
Not one person all these police officers talking to these people and the father.
Not one of them had concern.
They are more worried about there personal lives. 😢
This guy… what a way to make the kids feel even worse while you complain about your wife being in handcuffs, your sore ankle, and a cop car being in your driveway.
Why isn’t this women charged, she is connected to Rubys little group. She was also using Rubys kids as child labor.
She said “I made her scrub the floor.” She MADE her? That’s odd.
@@heehaw8401Ya I caught that as well
@@heehaw8401I wonder if the children live at these houses for undetermined periods as help. They have a large family and maybe the mom did these for personal favors.
She said "They came to clean my house" like it was the most normal thing ever.
@havinghope6315 It's not that abnormal as you are making it. I used to cut grass and all kids of stuff for my parents friends to make a little money.
I love how the husband is so upset at the fact that his wife is sitting in a squad car in handcuffs and yet no emotion for the children that are being abused! BTW - whose kids want to be picked up from the pool over summer to go to some woman's house to clean?!?!?!!!
I know he says if you knew her she is the nicest person, yea having a cleaning sweat shop for these kids to work, and no pay. Who is benefits, yea you Pam and her husband. He says he if responsible yet all he talks about is his selfish wife.
You didn't watch the video did ya
@@danabear7525explain what we learn in the video please. It's very long.
@@danabear7525- 👍I know what you mean. I suggest you re-read the original comment. I had to re-read it too. I believe they meant sarcasm using the word “love”. He was obviously more concerned about his wife (who was safe in the back of the police car in handcuffs) with zero concern about the kids involved.😭
Ruby probably got paid for her own kids cleaning for these people. Wouldn't surprise me.
The kids were not told anything and yet neither asked to call a parent
There is something not right about those people.
The fact the young girl didn’t even dare answer if she had shoes or her age or if she goes to school , so sad
She did answer! The sound was muffled on purpose during her answers, probably bc she is a Minor!
It is smart. Anything you say to the police can and will be used against you in a court of law. That is the law.
She is petrified of this trash bag....like a robot just standing there looking at him
@@lenitaa7938 she didn't answer, the officer had to ask twice if she had shoes and added "it's just a simple question" also her answer to the man asking if that's her mother's number wasn't muffled at all
My whole problem with this whole situation is a no one really ever spoke to those girls and be when they were told they had to go and to go get their stuff The DCF worker said we're going to put your bag in the trunk and then the other worker proceeded to go through all the girls belongings. They might be minors but they still deserve a little respect and empathy for the situation that they're going through. They're obviously teenagers and you mean to tell me that these adults could not tell them we have to check your bag. It's one thing they're going through the situation that they're in but then it's another thing that these people that are supposed to protect them turn around and violate them. I pray for the children don't know the outcome of the story if it is true that the parents were abusive to the younger siblings than they deserve to be dealt with accordingly. I just pray in the end that the children are okay, someone made a comment about the poor girl not answering if she had shoes or what school she went to. I don't know if you've ever dealt with DCF where ever had family issues. It wasn't that they were afraid to speak they obviously have dealt with DCF at some point in the past because most children who have will not sit there and talk to DCF because there's a saying destroyers of children and families. Not all DCF cases are warranted obviously this one is. But you can talk to former DCF social workers and they will tell you they lie, they bully and they do whatever they need to do to get the outcome they want. That's why there's always such a large turnover in that department. For these kids I hope that the workers they have are really there to help them and not just put them in further harm!
These Mormons are an odd bunch for sure. Borrowing Frankes kids to clean house. So strange.
Cult!!
Very upsetting...pretending they had a good time having lunch and teaching stuff...whilst exploiting the girls for cleaning your f...house. The husband explaining he doesnt know them so Well. It is shameful and terribile. Lifeskills?????...disgusting.