Video Game Mods Are In Danger

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  • čas přidán 10. 05. 2024
  • For as long as games have existed, players have been modding them. But with some big changes happening in gaming, the future of modding might be in trouble.
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Komentáře • 591

  • @GoingIndie
    @GoingIndie  Před měsícem +96

    Do you think games should allow modding?
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  • @TooEZ24x
    @TooEZ24x Před měsícem +880

    Mods are what prevent games from getting stale.

    • @Vajra717
      @Vajra717 Před měsícem

      Skyrim is a perfect example for that. Look up “Skyrim Ultima” that modded version looks like a completely different game.

    • @LukieLuke5
      @LukieLuke5 Před měsícem +61

      Which is actually a reason for Developer to dislike them. As unless it's a live service game, they want you to buy the new one not play the old one.

    • @LG555
      @LG555 Před měsícem +25

      Which is why Nintendo is so hard against them.

    • @alface935
      @alface935 Před měsícem +16

      ​@@LukieLuke5 True
      The Call Of Duty series for example releases a new game every year since 2003 and They want You to always buy the newest game every year and thats why We haven't have mod support since Call Of Duty 12 Black Ops 3 from 2015 and prior to Black Ops 3 the last game to have mod support was Call Of Duty 7 Black Ops 1 from 2010
      No wonder Black Ops 3 is still the 2nd most played Call Of Duty game on Steam (As of the time of this comment) with 8,596 players playing right now

    • @Portal2Fan1234
      @Portal2Fan1234 Před měsícem +2

      True

  • @yoramhamo6161
    @yoramhamo6161 Před měsícem +665

    minecraft wouldn't even be close to today if it didn't have mods

    • @user-od2qc2od1y
      @user-od2qc2od1y Před měsícem +42

      Agreed as a kid I watched a lot of modded minecraft

    • @illpunchyouintheface9094
      @illpunchyouintheface9094 Před měsícem

      Yea games like Minecraft would probably died out years ago if it wasn’t for mods

    • @NaoyaYami
      @NaoyaYami Před měsícem +33

      And Bethesda would die out after releasing Oblivion.

    • @andersonsansonowski5644
      @andersonsansonowski5644 Před měsícem +1

      Then imagine steam

    • @UnknownHumanJoe
      @UnknownHumanJoe Před měsícem +6

      Modded Minecraft videos is the reason I bought the game as a kid. Then I realized the Java mods I’m watching on CZcams doesn’t work on bedrock edition.

  • @SolantisA
    @SolantisA Před měsícem +478

    Fuck 'em!
    Most of these studios, who employ literal armies of lawyers, started out as modders in the '90s.

    • @megaman37456
      @megaman37456 Před měsícem +54

      FACTS! Also agreed, Fuck 'em. If by some miracle of God they actually manage to outlaw modding in the US, I don't care, I'll still mod my games.

    • @sarahsturgill9262
      @sarahsturgill9262 Před měsícem +7

      @@megaman37456 Wouldn't call that a miracle of God, that scenario would be a tragedy.

    • @megaman37456
      @megaman37456 Před měsícem +20

      @@sarahsturgill9262 I say a Miracle of God because only Gods power could make that 0% scenario happen.

    • @Jirodyne
      @Jirodyne Před 28 dny

      @@megaman37456 It would be impossible to ban modding. Even today, they don't actively ban modding. What happens is the ban the DISTRIBUTION of mods. My you can still CREATE mods. Just can't GIVE that mod to others. That is how they get around the law. That is why you see a lot of stuff like Nexus Collections not seen anywhere else, and why people can't just download a collection of mods, make it work, then just copy and transfer the mod folder. Cause it's illegal. But they CAN tell you the list of mods, where to download them, and how to install them.
      Ultimately YOU own your PC, it is YOUR property, and you can do WHATEVER YOU WANT with that Property, and all files on that property. You can mod, change, and do anything you want to any game on that PC. The problem comes in, when you A, Access someone else's Server (Some hacks tho not all), or B, Distribute those mods/hacks.
      Case in point. You have the RIGHT to borrow a movie, Rip the movie, then give the original copy back and keep the rip version for yourself. As long as you, and only you, see and access it, and you don't give it away, you are legally fine. As you had ownership of the product for a time, and can do anything you want what your property.
      So modding will never be outright banned. No, the HOSTING and DISTRIBUTION of mods will be attacked and destroyed instead.

    • @AWriterWandering
      @AWriterWandering Před 27 dny

      Just like how Disney got famous from making adaptations of public domain works, then twice successfully lobbied Congress to extend the copyright law just to try to keep their own works out of the public domain.

  • @Raphy_Afk
    @Raphy_Afk Před měsícem +371

    Beware, your mustache could get you a copyright strike from Nintendo

    • @jollygoodfellow3957
      @jollygoodfellow3957 Před měsícem +10

      Mario's stache curves up, so he will be ok.

    • @SIG7Pro
      @SIG7Pro Před 29 dny +1

      @@jollygoodfellow3957Luigi’s mustache does too.

    • @danydady6851
      @danydady6851 Před 29 dny +3

      ​@@jollygoodfellow3957 nah, they'll probably try anyway

    • @MegaPokefan97
      @MegaPokefan97 Před 26 dny

      It literally won't

    • @swede7581
      @swede7581 Před 5 dny

      yes nintendo the most evil company out there when it comes to fun stuff for their games..i canunderstand the emulator for pc to play their games,but mods???

  • @lasercraft32
    @lasercraft32 Před měsícem +498

    Mods are harmless at worst (unless its multiplayer cheating mods), and MUTUALLY BENEFITIAL at best.... Yet despite this, companies are stupid. "Don't be creative, just buy products and mindlessly consume. How dare you touch my IP!"

  • @zimos9286
    @zimos9286 Před měsícem +61

    Banning mods is the equivalent of dodging the IRS, you're gonna lose at the end of the day and it will bite you in the ass...

    • @The_Dreamcaster
      @The_Dreamcaster Před 25 dny

      Bars 🔥🔥🔥

    • @mrconroy4672
      @mrconroy4672 Před 16 dny +3

      Relatively true. Nintendo has been doing that quite some time now but they haven’t felt any severe blowback that would effect them or bankrupt them.

    • @ClaytinJvr
      @ClaytinJvr Před 10 dny

      how tf do you know this

  • @azroft2394
    @azroft2394 Před měsícem +100

    Imagine getting mad at a train setting a house on fire in a non-profit mod

    • @DozerfleetProd
      @DozerfleetProd Před 10 dny +1

      Yeah. Mattel does more damage to itself being mad over that than the mod itself ever did. Only extremely and severely autistic children obsessed with Thomas would even remotely equate a silly mod with the canonical thing.
      Meanwhile, most everyone else knows that Shrek swinging through New York is just a goofy non-canon Spider-Man skin, not to be taken seriously.

  • @Nemesis2005
    @Nemesis2005 Před měsícem +262

    ah yes corporate copyright, with the rampant of AI, I am starting to be concern of the future of copyrights

    • @primus0348
      @primus0348 Před měsícem

      Corps are really making sure that you give them and only them Money with nothing in return, they're Truly Scumbags that don't deserve Fans Respect if they cant even Respect Fans of their IPs.

    • @onlyyoucanstopevil9024
      @onlyyoucanstopevil9024 Před měsícem +2

      COPYRIGHT STILL THERE, BUT HAVE NO ACTUAL POWER

    • @cleverman383
      @cleverman383 Před 25 dny +1

      You should have been concerned about copyright long ago.

  •  Před měsícem +93

    Jealousy. Its very common and pretty normal human vice.

  • @fluffypinkpandas
    @fluffypinkpandas Před měsícem +193

    What annoys me more than the state of the gaming industry
    Are the consumers who buy the following psyops hook line and sinker and try to propagate the following nonsense to other people:
    -"free community Mods dont immortalize a game's lifespan or benefit its creators in any way"
    -"you need cosmetics or some form of p2w, lootbox, ads, dlc, or microtransaction for the game to make money"
    -"piracy is stealing and hurts the game"
    -"Buying extra stuff and preorders all support the devs and not the publisher"
    -"it has to have a progression or XP system to be a fun longterm experience"
    -"you shouldnt just 'have everything' out of the gate"
    -"you need centralized servers, because if a player were able to buy dedicated servers and host them it would have constant unplayable connection issues"
    -"stop complaining"
    -"paying a premium to play online is necessary"
    -"something requiring a link to your email, phone, and common password is necessary"
    -"its in alpha its supposed to be shitty - stop complaining"
    -"its in beta is supposed to be shitty - stop complaining"
    -"its only JUST came out - its supposed to need a week 1 patch - stop complaining"
    -"its only been out for 6 months - they are working on updates to fix all that stuff - stop complaining"

    • @clobzz
      @clobzz Před měsícem +6

      literally real

    • @HypercomboProduction
      @HypercomboProduction Před měsícem

      Was the pre alpha stuff about Multiversus? I heard they finished that one.

    • @fluffypinkpandas
      @fluffypinkpandas Před měsícem +10

      @@HypercomboProduction about all pre alpha stuff. or even the eternal pre alpha known as star shitizen

    • @HypercomboProduction
      @HypercomboProduction Před měsícem

      @@fluffypinkpandas ok, thanks!

    • @tynrova9639
      @tynrova9639 Před 29 dny

      Someone get their child, they're crying.

  • @Neko-san
    @Neko-san Před měsícem +172

    Remember when Valve introduced the idea of paid mods on Steam Workshop like in 2015?
    Thank God they've quickly gave up on that idea, or else the Steam Workshop would feel like the new App Store.

    • @dennisthemenace567
      @dennisthemenace567 Před měsícem +6

      It would probably lead to more fun games if modders could easily sell downloads without valve/patreon demanding their overpriced fees

    • @lisaruhm6681
      @lisaruhm6681 Před měsícem +34

      @@dennisthemenace567 or the opposite, of everything costing money.

    • @kreenbopulusmichael7205
      @kreenbopulusmichael7205 Před měsícem +4

      valve gets way too much credit for how many lame things theyve released onto the world "loot boxes and battlepasses"

    • @SolantisA
      @SolantisA Před měsícem +5

      Wasn't that Bethesda? I'm pretty sure Valve didn't do that on their own, they are quite content at negotiating with workshop creators to get their stuff into dota, csgo and tf2

    • @kreenbopulusmichael7205
      @kreenbopulusmichael7205 Před měsícem +2

      @@SolantisA no, bethesda actually did it

  • @Makem12
    @Makem12 Před měsícem +145

    In many cases, mods should fall under fair use for parody. I think a flying, fire breathing, Thomas the Tank Engine would fall under that. The problem modders face is that it is too expensive to fight the lawsuits.

    • @kaden-sd6vb
      @kaden-sd6vb Před měsícem

      Good ol corporate-corrupted courts.

    • @VerdeMorte
      @VerdeMorte Před 29 dny +5

      SLAPP Suits have no place in corporate litigation

    • @Arguyus
      @Arguyus Před 29 dny +8

      There needs to be a modder protection fund so that the expense is covered for them.

    • @scaper12123
      @scaper12123 Před 24 dny +3

      That's exactly what these corpos count on

    • @LunarMARAUDER
      @LunarMARAUDER Před 18 dny +2

      @@brony_in_the_sticks so you can't use AI to assist you at all?

  • @Anonymous-pw2vi
    @Anonymous-pw2vi Před měsícem +67

    Minecraft is a VERY pro mods game, as I would bet you it would have died years ago if not for mods.

    • @thesenate1844
      @thesenate1844 Před 29 dny +8

      Minecraft also lets you play any old version you like., so your favourite old mods are still avaliable

    • @JustJAY-eb1uy
      @JustJAY-eb1uy Před 29 dny

      @@thesenate1844except for the mobile version lol

    • @mentosvagabond
      @mentosvagabond Před 27 dny +2

      The game literally unplayable without optifine mod for people that has shit pc , just like me in 2016.

    • @antunderexist692
      @antunderexist692 Před 26 dny

      @@mentosvagabond or Sodium which ya right lmao

    • @SurprisedFireflies-ik4kt
      @SurprisedFireflies-ik4kt Před 15 dny

      The game is basically running on life support of mods

  • @LandonEmma
    @LandonEmma Před měsícem +73

    It was litteraly a troll using a domain similar to Nintendo’s to make it seem like it was coming from Nintendo.

    • @aporue5893
      @aporue5893 Před měsícem

      ohhh.....that makes sense.

    • @dudemp4
      @dudemp4 Před měsícem +8

      its confirmed to be nintendo sadly

    • @rockysolid4200
      @rockysolid4200 Před měsícem +6

      Because the devs didn’t bother investigating.

    • @CaptainBloodsail
      @CaptainBloodsail Před měsícem +3

      So the whole Destiny copyright thing again cause a guy was mad and wanted to cause damage to both the community and the company

    • @Manavine
      @Manavine Před měsícem

      Nope, person in question was linked to a previous instance of someone who thought it was a troll and ignored and nearly got nuked for it.

  • @kepler6873
    @kepler6873 Před měsícem +21

    A lot of the tension between a community and a company can be eased with small clarifications, eg “We do not support modding, so when a new patch comes out things may be broken. If you do make stuff for our game, please keep it SFW and don’t touch our multiplayer mode. Our anti cheat will kill you”

  • @turokrambo5617
    @turokrambo5617 Před měsícem +75

    Mods are literally....ways to play a game you wish was in the game. Or wanted....if you own the game. You should be allowed to do WHATEVER you want to it. As long as its not a Multiplayer game. Unless its a private server with friends and setups for players to try if they want to.
    Edit: fuck copyright laws. If the game is like OVER 10years old. Who cares if theres a SpongeBob mod in a game. Or Mario in a JDM racing game. Its old. And no one is shaming anyones brand. Literally doesn't harm people if they don't play the mods or even when they see vidoes of it. Like who cares?

    • @1mariomaniac
      @1mariomaniac Před 26 dny

      Heck I'm more likely to think less of your brand IF you take down the mod that uses your IP! 😆

    • @BasedSociety1
      @BasedSociety1 Před 10 dny +2

      @@brony_in_the_sticks who gives a shit, I’ll still mod my games even if the law doesn’t agree with it, fuck em.

  • @PreapRattanak
    @PreapRattanak Před měsícem +38

    Valve encouraged it
    Counter Strike was a mod for Half Life until it became a standalone game same thing with Cry of Fear, Day of Defeat, Garry'mod, The Stanely Parable, Team Fortress Classic and more.
    It could be a potential for modders.

    • @1mariomaniac
      @1mariomaniac Před 26 dny

      Let's not forget that in the early days of FPS games, basically every successful game used the Doom engine or an engine heavily inspired by it. The famous "Doom clones" of the 90s such as Heretic and its sequel Hexen, Sigil, Rise of The Triad, Dark Forces, and Duke Nukem 3D are all effectively Doom mods. Heck the first 3 were made by _id_ and use the Doom engine.
      Edit: Oh wait, Rise of the Triad was on the Wolfenstein 3D engine my mistake.

    • @sebwan
      @sebwan Před 23 dny

      @@1mariomaniac The original Quake engine as well, which now has an incredibly huge family tree due to that

    • @1mariomaniac
      @1mariomaniac Před 23 dny

      @sebwan I actually found another game that I guess could be considered a "Doom clone" on Steam for free. A game called "Marathon" made by Bungie in 1994! And it's a pretty solid game, too!

    • @Roxor128
      @Roxor128 Před 14 dny

      @@1mariomaniac It was so heavily modified by the devs at Apogee, it's better to think of ROTT's engine as being its own thing. Maybe think of it as Wolf3D's kid going on to bigger and better things while Papa Wolf looks on proudly.

    • @1mariomaniac
      @1mariomaniac Před 14 dny

      @@Roxor128 Kinda like how the GoldSRC engine used in Half Life is it's own thing despite being a heavily modified version of the Quake engine.

  • @Omar-Asim
    @Omar-Asim Před měsícem +62

    Title: "Video Game Mods Are In Danger"
    Conclusion: "Modding Won't Be Going Anywhere"
    🙄

    • @v5hr1ke
      @v5hr1ke Před měsícem +15

      True answer: "Modding Won't Be Going Anywhere, But These Are In Danger"

    • @Caramel_Custard_Flan
      @Caramel_Custard_Flan Před 21 dnem +2

      In a usual click bait manner 😂

    • @megadarkrai
      @megadarkrai Před 8 dny

      I mean in the future I could see modding disappearing maybe not the near future but something could still end up happening to it that removes modding all together

  • @FelipeKana1
    @FelipeKana1 Před měsícem +53

    About the family friendly argument, if a kid is already old and smart enough to know how to install mods, you can be ABSOLUTELY SURE he is already seeing NSFW stuff elsewhere. What one person mods in their games DOES NOT appears in others' games.

    • @1mariomaniac
      @1mariomaniac Před 26 dny +2

      ​@@brony_in_the_sticks I can't think of an age verification system, though, that wouldn't either be easily exploited or very intrusive, especially when you're talking about kids.

    • @9hoot789
      @9hoot789 Před 26 dny +1

      @@brony_in_the_sticks No actual reliable age verification besides legal ID verification exists that would actually properly protect those who aren't old enough. Nor would it be possible to separate them from those who are.

    • @9hoot789
      @9hoot789 Před 26 dny

      @FelipeKana1 That's an assumption, and a bad one. All of the most popular modding sites filter out sensitive results by default, making it harder accidentally find such content. Some even ban it altogether. As well as this, many companies, such as Mojang, intentionally ban and go after content that violates their values and vision for their game, such as not safe for work mods. This is not new, and it is not controversial. It's how it should be.

    • @blademasterzero
      @blademasterzero Před 25 dny

      @@brony_in_the_stickswe do have access to parental controls though. Parents just refuse to use them because they don’t give a shit

    • @LordOfRaven621
      @LordOfRaven621 Před 23 dny +1

      ​@blademasterzero yep then those parents get shit for it then turn around and blame video games for it cause of it "oh my God my kid watches porn it must be this random youtubers fault." Or my favorite blame game "oh my kid stole my car and ran over people. It's the video games fault." And people fucking actually believe that shit! I swear parents have become stupider now a days and don't wanna take responsibility for their own kid!

  • @darksyde0418
    @darksyde0418 Před 28 dny +8

    Wait a minute? How can the guy that made the Thomas the tank engine mod get into legal trouble?
    As I recall, there is a law called the parody act where if you get Thomas to set stuff on fire and such, thats a parody which falls under the 1st amendment.

  • @02owo32
    @02owo32 Před měsícem +60

    Modding Community carried Bethesda on their back

    • @jaredhebert942
      @jaredhebert942 Před 29 dny +3

      And they're *_STILL_* carrying Bethesda in many areas from what I hear in many circles

    • @Aldenfenris
      @Aldenfenris Před 25 dny +2

      One term comes to mind. Fan patch. When modders and players take in their hand to fix bugs and issues with a game

    • @yuseiyamoto
      @yuseiyamoto Před 8 dny +1

      and yet they still piss on modders every time and try to milk them.

  • @enragedbard
    @enragedbard Před měsícem +8

    Nintendo has always been openly hostile to mods. And a lot of japanese devs are somewhat also.
    Bethesda would never deny modding. It's what makes their games playable

  • @HappyLittleBoozer
    @HappyLittleBoozer Před měsícem +33

    I am a living proof that mods increase market share - I have over 200 hours in Hearts of Iron and have never touched the base game. The sole reason I got this game is the Equestria at War mod, and in turn me playing the mod and talking about it made at least four of my friends buy HoI4 to play the mod in multiplayer.
    Also, no such thing as copyright. There is only copywrong. It's an archaic remnant of a bygone age, unfit for the modern day. It needs to be reworked from ground up, it's current essence shredded into oblivion.

  • @lowrezbs8882
    @lowrezbs8882 Před 29 dny +6

    Konami and crapcom hate modders, they get offended at the fact that modders add value to their games without having to pay them first.

  • @Hollowdude15
    @Hollowdude15 Před měsícem +23

    I think video game mods will survive this problem in the future because some game developers will make video game mods be evolved and be different in the future of video games in their way so they don't have to worry about the problems you listed and I have optimistic that video game mods will be here for a long time and great video Going Indie :]

  • @lucas182512
    @lucas182512 Před měsícem +41

    0:14 Todd's probably the biggest defender of mods in the AAA space. Sure, Bethesda can do better, especially when it comes to communication, but they've benefitted greatly from the mods made in their creation kits, and Todd knows this. To say "slowly creators of our favorite games have become hostile towards mods" and have Todd show up right after Rockstar (which is actually hostile) is VERY misleading.

    • @nocaptcha8110
      @nocaptcha8110 Před měsícem +9

      He also released starfield hoping modders fix his game. Modders tried and said it wasn't worth lol

    • @gearsfan6669
      @gearsfan6669 Před měsícem

      @@nocaptcha8110 without the official mod tools it can't, can't expect them to do much beyond basic things when it's a whole new version of the Creation Engine, even if some things are the same the inner workings are completely different. With Skyrim and Fallout 4 the mod authors had years worth of experience in the engine because of games like New Vegas and Oblivion and the amount of available guides for those games being the stepping stones for mod authors of newer games to learn from, Starfield everyone is pretty much starting from scratch

    • @maxmikester8185
      @maxmikester8185 Před měsícem +1

      @lucas182512 You say that and then they updated fallout 4, breaking every mod right when the big mod Fallout London was gonna release. Of course they wanna may sure you are using their PAID MODS and not NEXUS!

    • @lucas182512
      @lucas182512 Před měsícem

      @@maxmikester8185 Which is why i said they could do better with communication. Echoing the words of the fallout london project lead. That said, people really overreact when bethesda releases patches "breaking their mods". If you mod bethesda games, you should know that running the game using the script extender will bypass any steam update. And even if steam updated your game, the first mod that gets released after those mod-breaking updates are version downgraders. You cant even say "but if I downgrade, i wont be able to install the newest mods", because the overwhelming majority of new mods maintain support for the the older, popular game version. This is true in both fallout 4 (v 1.10.163) and skyrim se (v 1.5.97). Personally, I would have simply released London for 1.10.163. People can simply downgrade.

    • @lucas182512
      @lucas182512 Před měsícem

      My problem with bethesda patches for old games like skyrim and fallout 4, is that they dont add anything. they are crap patches. the newest fallout 4 "next gen" patch makes a difference in consoles. it does nothing on pc. it just "breaks" mods.
      whatever, downgrade or skip the update (what I did)

  • @SomeFactsYouMightNotKnow
    @SomeFactsYouMightNotKnow Před měsícem +21

    Many people play some games because of the mods 🤣🤣

  • @DiabolicCrusher
    @DiabolicCrusher Před měsícem +12

    As someone who loves modding games like gmod(hell, still has the highest playtime on my steam account, because of mods), skyrim, kenshi etc, bloody hell do i hate modern gaming. Bamco going after modders of Tekken 8 that create visual mods because they added Tekken shop to the game(without so much as warning people before release about it and specifically waited a month so people can't refund which is infuriating to say the least) and it'll cut the revenue from it because of lackluster free customization is the most relevant example and is one of the things that's wrong with modern gaming industry.

  • @zero00044
    @zero00044 Před 29 dny +5

    Here's the thing about using copyrighted things in mods. As long as the character model and code is designed from scratch and not just copy and pasted from another game, and its being ditribited for free, it's considered fan art and 100% protected by freedom of artistic expression and parody law. It doesn't matter if it's making the character look bad or going against what the original creator and copyright owner intended for the character.

  • @TimeToGrind
    @TimeToGrind Před 23 dny +2

    Yo one of my viewers said I showed up in the video around 11 mins. That's crazy to be included in the video ROUNDS is dope and so are mods. Awesome video btw!

  • @ZacharyRodriguezVlogs
    @ZacharyRodriguezVlogs Před měsícem +5

    Mods are the reason why Team Fortress 2 exists, and that’s why I’ll always support mods.

  • @mwwill5465
    @mwwill5465 Před 29 dny +3

    Imagine if something like VRChat getting sued for simply letting their community create and upload famous fictional characters?

    • @cendresaphoenix1974
      @cendresaphoenix1974 Před 26 dny

      I think they did get into trouble for a bit there. These corporations are bitches in heat

  • @nicksmith9
    @nicksmith9 Před měsícem +15

    DONT BUY 90% OF TRIPLE A!!

    • @yipflaptheexecutioner6519
      @yipflaptheexecutioner6519 Před 24 dny

      What if I like them?

    • @GoldMoonGuy
      @GoldMoonGuy Před 23 dny

      @@yipflaptheexecutioner6519 Buy it, it still up to your preference anyway.
      But keep in mind that most AAA games won't last long as their publisher want to drop them shortly after release and keep selling their new games.

    • @lebronjames-eb4pe
      @lebronjames-eb4pe Před 22 dny

      @@yipflaptheexecutioner6519 buy them but realize that 90% of AAA games are all cash grabs and think before you buy (edit: also soulless)

    • @user-zu9yp4xx8g
      @user-zu9yp4xx8g Před 16 dny

      ​@@yipflaptheexecutioner6519why would you like triple a slop

  • @Legoguy9875
    @Legoguy9875 Před měsícem +3

    Terraria and Re-Logic are another great example of a game developer being open and communicative to the modding scene extremely well. Mod support for the game did start out as a community effort through Tmodloader, but Relogic would later begin to collaborate with the people behind TML to make it an official DLC for Steam, integrating its functionality into Steam Workshop, making it even easier to download and enjoy mods. On top of that, since Tmodloader runs off of a separate instance of the game, it's not negatively impacted by official game updates (when they inevitably happen anyway lol). They even work alongside modders themselves, giving them the resources and tools to begin the process of migrating their mods to the latest game version before releasing those builds to the public, meaning players don't have to wait for mods to be brought up to date. They're probably the best example you can find right now of a game developer interacting with their modding community in a positive way, apart from Valve and Epic anyway.

  • @RamChop451
    @RamChop451 Před měsícem +2

    Love how companies don't realize mods are actually promoting longevity

  • @Octo_Chara
    @Octo_Chara Před měsícem +8

    Games N E E D mods. I use mods to add accessibility features that game devs don't add. I can't enjoy GTA V without adding a menu that allows me to skip levels that force me to shoot enemies from far away. I have a hard time enjoying Stardew valley without texture mods that makes the edges more visible. There are a lot more games that I don't know of yet that I could enjoy more with mods.

  • @conniptions6368
    @conniptions6368 Před měsícem +5

    Greed will be the end of us. 🖤

  • @andersonsansonowski5644
    @andersonsansonowski5644 Před měsícem +2

    The key word is toy company:
    Nintendo does NOT treat games as games but more as TOYS
    so in a toy company, would u allow people to easily change the toy with no check of quality?
    No is probrably the answer right 'cause u wouldn't want anything like that

  • @TarynBeeswax
    @TarynBeeswax Před 28 dny +1

    Minecraft, as it exists today, would not have survived without mods. No SMPs, no big and crazy modpacks, immensely less replayability.

  • @ThatGreenSpy
    @ThatGreenSpy Před 28 dny +2

    This is one area where I think AI can help. If it can flood the market with indie games, then in time, the corporations' power over us will end.

  • @Kinaibhlan
    @Kinaibhlan Před měsícem +3

    make the mods, don't tell anyone you're making them until they're done, don't put your name on them, release them into the wild, allow other modders to update them, join them in updating the mods posing as a random mod dev

  • @1mariomaniac
    @1mariomaniac Před 26 dny +1

    With the recent shutdown of Vimm's Lair by a seemingly coordinated mass take-down from multiple companies, and also the companies making it far more difficult to mod their games, it seems that video game companies are just trying to lose their most devoted playerbase.
    These people, the ones who mod the current games and emulate the old ones not sold anymore, they're the repeat customers. They love games so much that they're willing to go through the pain and effort of modding in extra content to keep playing. They love games so much that some people who have physical copies of old games will go through the process of dumping their rom online so other people can enjoy the game that's been long since abandoned.
    Its really sad what the gaming industry has come to, when these people, the most devoted and creative of the playerbase, are punished for being such.

  • @armorbearer9702
    @armorbearer9702 Před měsícem +4

    It sounds like the amount of mods allowed depends on the type of game and time. I can see fighting games limiting costume mods because the developers want to sell skins to players. That being said, it would be good to allow the mods after a certain period of time. I am thinking the best time would be when the developers announce they are no longer updating the game. This would allow the modders to go crazy and possibly draw in new people in. These new people buy the game and everyone wins.

    • @dudemp4
      @dudemp4 Před měsícem +3

      the problem for the publisher is that people wont buy the sequel

  • @DoctorFlux
    @DoctorFlux Před měsícem +6

    Mods is insane important to the gaming industry i care say it is a piller that keep the industry going:
    alot of newer game dev. today started out as modder for a game becuase modding a game like a QoL mod, adding Goku to Smash & etc.
    is teaching how to do alot of the game dev. stuff in a alot easier entry barrier than open up a game engine
    a Smash like game pixelart styled called Rivals of Aether got Steam workshop: it got really boosted in playbase on that after it got launched
    mods dont hurt their brand infact its brings in new fans
    if it was not for the unwritting rule of thomas needs to be modded into a new game at this point people wont know about thomas in today´s age properly
    and that just 1 example of many

  • @ego-lay_atman-bay
    @ego-lay_atman-bay Před 28 dny +2

    I love modding where's my water, because the game stores most of it's data in plain text xml files. I can add my own levels, object, images, etc, pretty quickly. Heck, I created a level editor for the game. Modding where's my water also kind of revived where's my water. Sure, there's not many tools for modding the game, but what we have is enough for people to create custom levels (easier then they had been doing for almost 10 years). Of course I also own the modding server, so you might be able to guess my stance on modding.
    Now, where's my water modding isn't all sunshine and rainbows. In order to share mods, people have to send their modified copy of wmw, which is technically illegal. I would love to make a rule against piracy in the modding server, but the problem is that I can't, because we have to share mods via a modified version of the full game. That's why I want to create a patcher with my next level efitor, that way we can just share zip files containinf all our modifications, but have people use their own copies of wmw to play mods (also this patcher would allow multiple mods at the same time, which is currently very had to do).

  • @BoehseToene
    @BoehseToene Před měsícem +3

    me everytime i start a new rimworld run "this time i go vanilla!" ... 10 minutes later "atleast i should get some qol mods" 30 minutes and 600 mods later "well,next time vanilla"

  • @MetalFalcon99
    @MetalFalcon99 Před měsícem +2

    I hope Todd realizes that mods sell his games

  • @jaxsonmilanoski1082
    @jaxsonmilanoski1082 Před 27 dny +1

    I hate it when companies hate fan content

  • @sb18wlc
    @sb18wlc Před 14 dny

    Man its so weird how I remembered many of the older games having custom map editors in the game directory nowadays you won't see a single one of them

  • @robbycooper6787
    @robbycooper6787 Před 29 dny +1

    That gmod lawsuit didn’t do much because there’s like 177 pages when I searched up Mario

    • @nizzymo
      @nizzymo Před 2 dny

      They're doing it manually, it's going to take a while. Just wiping all nintendo related mods could just piss off alot of people if it's a general wipe. Because you're wiping things that are perfectly fine to stay up, stuff that people worked their asses off to make.

  • @Hollowdude15
    @Hollowdude15 Před měsícem +2

    Congratulations on getting to 100k subscribers Going Indie and let's gooooooooooooooooo :]

  • @marcoaraiza9381
    @marcoaraiza9381 Před 28 dny +1

    The same people who want to ban mods also want to charge you per bullet in pvp games

  • @user-fi1nv8mf4l
    @user-fi1nv8mf4l Před měsícem +3

    If modders would just make stuff that is original. Copypasting copyrighted IP to games is not very productive use of your time and you will get bashed by the IP holder if the stuff gets popular at all. All the actually important mods are original content. DayZ didn't have to go copy any IP. Original TeamFortress or Counter-Strike, no IP theft. Dota, no need to steal anything. Just make mods without abusing other people's IPs already. And yes, I understand why modders do such things - they are usually young and don't really see the problem especially as it *is* legal for their personal use and fun. Problems being when they start distributing it... and big companies have no option - they HAVE to protect their IP.

    • @9hoot789
      @9hoot789 Před 26 dny +2

      Finally, a balanced take. Most people's kneejerk reaction to that kind of thing is emotionally charged and not well thought through (usually completely tossing aside legitimate criticism and concerns). There's always two sides to every problem.

  • @arx3516
    @arx3516 Před 7 dny

    One thing to keep in mind about copyright issues is that modders come from all over the world and copyright laws vary lot from country to country. In some countries copyright infringement only happens when it is done for profit.

  • @SonicTheBlueBlur15
    @SonicTheBlueBlur15 Před 12 dny +1

    Good thing sega allows sonic mods forever

  • @scotthayes5386
    @scotthayes5386 Před měsícem +2

    Lethal company has crazy mods for a lil indie game

  • @LunarPriestessYT
    @LunarPriestessYT Před měsícem +3

    Please no, modding games makes them so much more fun

  • @mahkhardy8588
    @mahkhardy8588 Před měsícem +3

    Stop 🛑 corporate greed. Good video, spread the word!

  • @PrimeHylian
    @PrimeHylian Před 10 dny

    The Thomas in the background screenshot is so funny

  • @kaden-sd6vb
    @kaden-sd6vb Před měsícem +2

    More people should start calling it copyWRONG.
    Fight it at every opportunity. Never give in. Be the hydra.

  • @spaceghostmiid
    @spaceghostmiid Před měsícem +3

    honestly i think what happened with nintendo and gmod is only an issue that can happen with platforms that have bulit in mod support. a lot of modding sites are based in countries that have way more relaxed ip law.

  • @Dojibu
    @Dojibu Před 13 dny

    there's been many a games that were released in a broken state. It's the modders who fixed the issues in vanilla. Some of those games actually had some of those mods added in as official updates because they were so beneficial.

  • @aporue5893
    @aporue5893 Před měsícem +2

    ''consume,consume,consume.'' 🙄

  • @desu38
    @desu38 Před 26 dny

    3:27 A Hat in Time: "Hold my gears"

  • @kimchiacid
    @kimchiacid Před 7 dny +1

    Nintendo shouldn't care because of shinkokuzai.

  • @damndanieI
    @damndanieI Před měsícem +1

    I remember over ten years ago someone from Arabian countries told me on skype how to install GTA 4 mods and it felt so magical to play with mods for the first time. Those were times

  • @mr.miscellaneous
    @mr.miscellaneous Před 16 dny

    Can someone explain something to me? Is using a copyrighted IP on a project that is NOT monetized in any way and is made for fun illegal? I never understood this.

  • @kirara2516
    @kirara2516 Před 25 dny

    I never would have touched Minecraft without mods.

  • @one-up7498
    @one-up7498 Před měsícem +4

    Happy 100K subs!!

  • @gavenskyles-jones7086
    @gavenskyles-jones7086 Před měsícem

    I’m not even a gamer but the quality of your videos is impressive, entertaining, and easy to follow… just subbed!!

  • @tionstav5799
    @tionstav5799 Před 26 dny

    >*Opens file Explorer*
    >Felon

  • @Mcbuzzerr
    @Mcbuzzerr Před měsícem +1

    I saw you at a talk at my school, and got jump scared by seeing the face of someone I met on CZcams because I had forgot we met lol

  • @felman87
    @felman87 Před měsícem

    Congrats on 100k Subs!

  • @JimBeaz
    @JimBeaz Před 25 dny

    nintendo not wanting mods for their games: Normal
    any other studio not wanting any mods for their games: wtf is wrong with them?

  • @SnowyRVulpix
    @SnowyRVulpix Před 28 dny +1

    Worth noting that using existing characters (pokemon, for example) has always been illegal. Its copyright violation.

  • @Roxor128
    @Roxor128 Před 14 dny

    And remember, the ultimate in mod-friendliness is a source-code release. It's also the easiest to do: just zip up the code and upload it.

  • @msutter117
    @msutter117 Před 6 dny

    Things like this are why I enjoy games like Stellaris and cities skylines. They’re very mod friendly with the devs giving modders the code and advice on how to mod the game. Granted cities skylines 2 is due to get the asset editor soon for actual in game assets. I can’t wait for that.

  • @TheOswards306
    @TheOswards306 Před měsícem +2

    Here's the answer on how to save modes, abolish shareholding in general. The reason, is that they're the ones that're making companies money corrupt and terrible decisions like this. They give little to no effort of the effort of the product the company makes, care only about choices that would only give them a good profit instead of the consumers needs, and they're the biggest cause of causing companies to go bankruptcy for the copious amount of terrible choices they make companies make. Thumbs up if you all agree with me here.👍

  • @zigaudrey
    @zigaudrey Před měsícem +1

    Modding is a great way to put our own challenge or story on an existing game. Or fan-translating!
    Depending on the nature of modding, it shows that the original game can be better or that thing can be fixed for a few hours.
    I got into modding because it is an activity idea, I share video and tools but the lack of resources for some lose me interest. For years of modding, I expected more.
    I am scared that if the dev focus on anti-modding tool, the game wouldn't be great.

  • @millo7295
    @millo7295 Před 25 dny

    Pro tip: make a game
    Company hates mods? Make a game out of the mods

  • @rourkefilms9511
    @rourkefilms9511 Před měsícem +2

    Mods help the game and community grow but also help the modder learn more how games work. And come on, who doesn't think it's a little funny seeing Thomas The Tank Engine breathing fire in Skyrim.

  • @Phenox445
    @Phenox445 Před 9 dny

    This makes me worried but i still have blade and sorcery and the developers will fully support mods for the entire time and with 1.0 modders have so much more they can do

  • @chensasha9664
    @chensasha9664 Před měsícem

    Thanks a lot ! This came just in timeeee I'm doing copyright issues on video games 🤣

  • @ZaleelDev
    @ZaleelDev Před měsícem

    I'm making a game in unity if anyone is interested. but how should I go about adding mod support. it's still a long way from a beta release so yea.

  • @SparkliOfficial
    @SparkliOfficial Před 29 dny +1

    Never thought I'd see modern day mario
    Talk to me in a youtube video
    What a great way to start a morning
    Love your mustache man ☕️❤

  • @KuramaMidnight
    @KuramaMidnight Před 27 dny

    So can we like make a thing online showing they are messing up with trying to mess with mods?

  • @Brenden594
    @Brenden594 Před 23 dny

    I'm suprised that nintendo attacked a mod that literally just switched out the models from pal world and replaced them with pokemon meanwhile it would've been more likely they would attack cobblemon or pixlemon due to them technically just porting the anything thats In pokemon to minecraft.

  • @burntwaffle9858
    @burntwaffle9858 Před 29 dny

    My favorite game to mod is Teardown, and that is because mods are a major part of it, and the devs even support it, and have an in game featured tab for mods. They even gave some of us the DLC pass for free which was something they could have easily not done, but it just shows that they do in some small way care.

  • @linkmon12
    @linkmon12 Před 26 dny +2

    We have the right to protest everyone.
    Also frick matel they ruined thomas

  • @GilAzuara
    @GilAzuara Před 28 dny

    4:24 - 4:35 welcome to stellaris modding comunity where full teams of modders have been working day and night to keep their mods up to date due to the yearly changes to the main script which are around 6 or 7 per year.... god bless this diligent and brave souls!

  • @garyhahn2168
    @garyhahn2168 Před 11 dny

    A world without ctgp is a world I don't wanna live in

  • @kin98100
    @kin98100 Před 24 dny

    No idea how it is even possible to sue a modder for personalise a product they bought aslong as the dont monetize it. Everyone is allowed to alter a product they own for their artistic vision.

  • @dakotastein9499
    @dakotastein9499 Před 7 dny +1

    Lets not forget mods have also fixed legit problems in the origional games
    I know mods have kept spore alive despite poor EA management.

  • @cendresaphoenix1974
    @cendresaphoenix1974 Před 26 dny +1

    If I can't mod your game I'm not playing your game

    • @9hoot789
      @9hoot789 Před 26 dny

      As cool as it sounds to say that, there's almost certainly a good number of exceptions where that hasn't held true.

    • @Likorys888
      @Likorys888 Před 19 dny

      Especially a sandbox games. If your sandbox is restricted from modding, then it's not a sandbox.

  • @xDryZek
    @xDryZek Před měsícem +1

    mods saved me from quitting from gaming, i prefer games with mod support just because i get to reexpirience and relearn my fauvorite games

  • @TornaderX
    @TornaderX Před 4 dny

    6:39 if is that easily accessible, the modding would be the last of their concerns

  • @pinkywinky.4693
    @pinkywinky.4693 Před 11 dny

    Well, I remember the one time in Dragon Ball Xenoverse 2 for Nintendo Switch, they had a saibamen challenge but, modders were cheating in the game. They were modding the counter the make them look like they defeated more saibamen then anyone else. But, the creators of the game would wipe out the score if the player cheated.

  • @tjhedgescout3052
    @tjhedgescout3052 Před měsícem

    Mods increase the shelf life of games, making them live longer than it's normal lifespan as it lets you personalize your experience.

  • @Rfisna
    @Rfisna Před 26 dny

    Nintendo is going to go out of their way to sue the alphabet for having the letter "M"