Stripping down and removing a Gas Fire Baxi Baroque , Precast Flue
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- čas přidán 29. 10. 2018
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Please remember, if you're going to work on gas you must be gas safe registered. Today I'm going to look at a gas fire. I get quite a lot of questions from new people into the industry, and one of the questions I've been asked quite a few times now is about gas fires. Now, I don't do a lot of gas fires nowadays. Obviously, there's not many gas fires around, but I'm going to take this gas fire out in my new house. So I thought I'd take that opportunity just to do video and just show you the fire, and then show you the back of the catchment area. Yeah, so, let's have a look at it now.
The gas fire that we've got here is the Baxi Baroque Super, however you pronounce that. One thing to point out with this, it's got a light on here, so that means it's got power to it. Obviously anything that's got power to it, just be careful with the electrics to it. This was actually plugged in, so I've actually removed the plug. As I said, this is coming out. I'm going to totally remove this today.
First all, we'll just take the top off on this, put that to one side. And then, you've got two side pieces, come have a look at this. I'll show you. So, these side pieces they're just on like an inch and then that, it just comes out nice and easy. And then you can see where the bulb goes in there. If you undid that screw there, you could change bulb if it needed changing. And then, same on this side really. That just lifts off, and again, you've just got a screw there and then the bulb is in that side as well.
Then to remove the front part of this, I've got a couple of screws. One screw there, and then we've got another screw just on the other side, just there. We'll take these screws out. Then all the front on this then just slides out. Just comes out nice and easy. And then if you look under there, we can see gas tap, that's the gas tap there. Normally, if we're in a customers house we'll just turn that gas tap off on there, and then we just disconnect it from this nut here. And then we'd be able to gas fire forward. We've got to remember, we've got to unplug that power supply there, when we pull it out. The gas on this is actually disconnected, so there's no gas to this because obviously I've just put a new boiler in, and I put all new piping for gas. I'll remove this now and then we can have a look at what the catchment area is like, as well.
When data batch on this, you can just see there that it's 5.57 kilowatts, and the burner pressure should be 14 millibar. So, obviously if you were going to do service on this, then you would check to make sure that was correct. I'm just undoing this [inaudible 00:04:24], and that just comes apart nice and easy. And then the plug for the power, just come off as well. Obviously normally it's a little bit quicker that, it's a little bit awkward when I'm holding the camera.
So, to remove the glass on this, there's some clips here on there, and you just clip them on, and they're normally very tight. And it's on like a hinge. So, the same on this side as well.
So, once you've got them both lifted up like that, you can just pull the glass forward. And then once you've pulled that glass forward, then you can get into the burner, and into where the coals are. And then you can just lift the coals out, and then underneath that coal there's a burner tray here. Now, these used to split ... so, I'll show you these. So, you need to just check these when you're doing a service.
So, that's your burner. You can see on there it's quick mucky. It's obviously not been serviced for quite a long time. We've got our pilot's assembler there up front. So, now we've disconnected the gas and disconnected the electrics. Now, we should be able to just lift this straight out. So, let's have a go. Just lift that forward.
So, most of you will know already, but this is the closure plate. Normally the closure plate would come with the fire, so it's already the correct size. But let's remove this and just have a look behind it.
So, when we look at that, them blocks have been smashed out, and they don't go right down to the floor.
So, what we've got on this, we've got a precast flue, and it does look like there's been maybe a few issues with this. It's got a bit of black on there. Also, this should be starter blocks, and not just ... so this probably started up here in the past, so it might have been a fire that was supposed to be on the wall, and then somebody's made it into a false standing fire.
One thing to check on these, if you have a look there look, the precast flue, it's got snots on the inside. So, that would reduce the cross sectional area of this flue. And if it's like that there, then there's a good chance it's like that all the way up the flue. So, if we did a flue flow test on this, then it may come back into the room. - Jak na to + styl
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Very satisfied with Gas Fireplace. Nice design works well easy to install. Great value for the price.
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This was a very popular fire the angled glass let you see the flame effect even when looking from the side and when on the low setting ,It had a cast iron header that made it more efficient than most of the other flame effect fires but the side glass in particular was prone to cracking if fire run at the high position for any length of time and the glass costs an absolute fortune.
Nice one Allen I've one of these to take out and then reboard/plaster....it's gas Safe so should be straightforward
Good stuff Alan bought it back to me why I stopped servicing fires lol. Thanks again a good video as ever👍
i havent seen one of these for a long time lol. Thanks for watching.
Great vid mate thanks, got mine to take out great idea to use the cavity for tv cabling
It’s pronounced ba-rock! Great video though, as many still have has fires in bedrooms, that are still hanging around. A poorly maintained one nearly sent me to sleep forever; luckily I snapped out of it as I’d heard about it in the news.
Still very good in living rooms provided they are well maintained and CO monitored. This is key. Sadly, many existing ones are old fashioned and dated, but you can get some beautiful modern ones now. They are lovely to come home to, with a real cosy flame, without the skin drying effect of central heating 🤢
Great video thanks Allen. I had a gas fire removed and the hole blocked up. It has a precast flue running up the wall into the loft where it ducts out through a metal pipe up to the ridge of the roof. I would also like to use the old flue for running cables but we have a bad damp problem now where cold air is causing condensation to form on the inside of the lounge wall.
Do you have any tips for sorting this...i.e. would you fill the old flue blocks or just cap it off in the loft?
Hate precast flues. Thought it might be good to point out to any newbies if servicing that the connections in loft must be checked. Also if servicing any Baxi baroque, vp3, GF, LFE etc etc the heat ex must be checked for blockage as spillage test is carried out after this point and will not pick it up . Safety Alert issued on this also. Good video Alan. Also enjoyed the Baxi 636 u did. Excellent.
Thank you for your comments,
Ive only fitted a few fires and I always struggle with how fiddly and inaccessible some of restrictor kits are especially on inset fires. I'm always finding small leaks on the 10mm pipe connection to the restrictor elbow....and you can only get a spammer on them after taking the fire bed out....
Very good video and an example why you should always remove the fire when servicing. Too many just do a spillage check and pass them off....
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These fires were designed to burn the gas with a yellowish flame to simulate a solid fuel fire and therefore were inefficient (since the manufacturers thought that that was what the customer wanted).
The old Radiation Crystalglow and Radiation Supersaver 70 were far superior imo burning the gas with an all blue flame (with air premixing) and, in the case of the Supersaver 70, imitating an orange / near white hot coke fire (it had ceramic coals resting on the angled normal gas fire radiants). Note the Crystalglow had modulating thermostatic control of the gas valve.
Both had the radiants sealed by a glass window for best efficiency.
Thanks for sharing mate
Thanks for watching.
I hate gas fires still got mine to take out . Love the retro carpet I had some of that too
good work as normal
Whats wrong with my carpet lol.. Thanks for watching.
About to buy a house with an old gas fire we want removing, just wondering what happens with the pipes on the floor, will gas man remove these so we can have an open fire\ eventually put a log burner in? Thanks!
Evening Allen. Got roped into repairing a potterton housewarmer bbu a while ago, that was definitely old school, reminded me of the fire in your video. The joys of plumbing...... keep up the good work!
I haven't done a BBU for a long time, Thanks for watching. 👍
We have a gas pipe running through to the upstairs bedroom next to the old fireplace. It looks capped but there is no floorboard on top of it to cover it and no joist to screw wood into. What's the best way to cover this? It measures probably around 20cm x 10cm
Just saw this vid Allen and I have got to say be careful when working on the Baxi Baroque Super as it contains Refractory Ceramic Fibres (R.C.F.) . The M.I.'s list the problems associated with it and how to work safely with the unit. We have a couple of them at work (tenant's own with back boiler behind) and we have capped them off and just service the bbu.
Thank you.
Stupid question but have two gas fires in home and would like to replace with old wood burning fires is that a viable option?
Nice video thanks. I’m removing the same fire.
Hi did you replace this fire with one with a balanced flue?
We are interested in having our gas fireplace completely removed. We will be reconstructing the whole wall that the fireplace is currently located. My concern is the flue. Does the flue need to be torn out in the attic? Do you reconstruct the attic? Cap it?
Nice video.
That's really a snazzy little unit.
Thanks
How is look like after you finish all
Hi Alan great videos!! I was wondering what is the options for having a back boiler from a coal fire and also on the same system having a gas boiler. I know that an open fire should have an open system while a gas boiler needs the system to be sealed. Is there anything that can be done to incorporate both?
It's an old comment, but answering anyways for anyone who reads it in the future:
You need to work with a buffer tank/bottle with 2 spirals in it: 1 connected to the (open) coal or wood burning boiler loop, 1 connected to the (closed) gas boiler loop.
Each loop needs its own pump, expansion vessel, filtering, bleeding... just like it were a big radiator instead of a buffer vessel spiral you're connecting to each boiler, and the gas boiler needs a thermostat that reads the temperature of the water inside the buffer vessel so it can back up when the wood/coal boiler isn't producing (enough) heat without overheating.
You then use the buffer vessel to send heat to the radiators, so you need a pump, expansion tank, filtering, bleeding... and use a thermostat with a simple on/off command and a relay to switch the pump.
What happens to the remaining pipework: Is it just left as is? Or can it be "cut back" ?
How should the hole, that leads to the flue be covered up? (I live in a flat, with two other flats above)
Our gas fire has never been used in over 5 years, but has a yearly gas inspection.
(Seems pointless to keep it: Would like to install a wall mounted TV)
Would welcome you thoughts.
Great video, Allen. I have a gas fire that I want to remove and replace with an electric one. Is there anything I need do after removing the gas one before placing the electric one (e.g. filling the chimney cavity etc)? Thanks
You will need a gas engineer/plumber to cap and test the gas. They will be able to give you the best advice on the chimney. Thanks.
Nice same as my fire but mine is the VP because ive got the back boiler. Alan do you service back boiler's and do you love or hate
I used to like back boilers but to be honest too many things to check and too many customers block the vents. Thanks.
Can you put a wood burning stove in there? Mine still has a little back boiler in there that I was going to cut out.
Can an old burner plate stop the fire from turning up heat , cos mine just stays on the lowest flame even though it's on the highest setting?
Sounds like the gas valve, call out a gas engineer to check it. Thanks for watching.
I want to change my Flavel Regent Gas Fire with a new one , is it just one screw to disconnect where the gas comes in and then reconnect it again?
You need to call in a gas safe engineer. Fires can be very dangerous if not installed correctly
Hi, Allen just been to visit an old guy the only heat he has is a gas fire it has a back boiler the pipes between floors keek springing leaks and he wants them capping off he uses an immersion heater for hot water is it possible without changing the cylinder? Thanks Phil
Depends on the system buddy. Hard to give advice without seeing it. Sorry.
Thanks Allen for your excellent , very good and to the point video, full of very useful info. I have a similar Baxi Bermuda GF Super gas fire , this is in front of my central heating back boiler which is in the back of the fireplace , i will soon need to turn my gas mains off for a few hours and will need to reignite the back boiler pilot , do i have to remove the gas fire in front to access the back boiler to do this . I am determined to keep my wonderful and reliable back boiler , it is as efficient as I want and its hot gas’s that go up the chimney , heat the chimney and wall and do a great job,
I just need to be able to reignite the back boiler pilot after turning the gas main back on . Thanks . Kris
Hi. I want to remove and gas fire and replace it with an Electric one. Is it a straight forward task? Can the gas feed be turned off at the fire place aswell as at the meter?
Hi, I've asked a Gas Safe guy to remove my gas fire, and board it up. Should I ask him to put the board just inside the gaping hole, along with the air vent, then get a plasterer to skim over it? It's not a nice looking hole, or a uniform shape. Or put the board on the outside of the hole, and have it protrude very slightly from the wall? We're not house-proud types, just can't make my damn mind up either way! 🤔 Thank you, kind sir! 🙂
How did you seal the precast flue afterwards? Did you block it off around the cables you said you would run down it for your tv or did you leave it open with an air vent?
I have just put the metal plate back on for now. I may also use the flue to get pipes up to loft for rads.
Are there any seals on that flue? Or is it a metal to metal loose fitting?
When we bought our house there were two fires back to back on a chimney. One fire was a majorca with back boiler. This had a flexi metal flue on it which when we removed it only reached halfway up the chimney. Been there 30 years. The other fire was a wall hung fire, which had a rectangular flue which simply sat in a brick shape hole in the front of the chimney. Ye gods.
It would have tape on. Thanks.
Hi Allen I have a valor gas fire.It has 3 settings on the dial.When I have turned it up recently from low setting to medium or high setting I've noticed nothing happens as the flame does not become higher.Any idea what the problem is ?
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I won't fit a gas fire without a liner .I've never like fiting or servicing open flue appliances .
Was there not a safety alert on those fires last year for the ropes to have asbestos on them?
Technical bulletin 149 posted January 2017
It’s only asbestos no point in worrying
@@mynameis9739 I will look that up, Thank you.
What an odd way to vent something, to tape metal on the chimney I wouldn't be able to sleep if I did something like that. Good thing you're getting rid of it.
Thank you for watching
Why do ppl want to remove their gas fire?
A bit chilly in lounge then the fire, otherwise whole system on?
We have just changed our gas fire and we have got a down draft.We didn’t get this before with our other gas fire.
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How do you clean the glass it's full off marks
Not really sure Sorry.
I used to use a product called hob brite ,You can buy it in any supermarket,It's original use was to clean ceramic hob tops but it does a great job on fire glass as well without scratching.
What's the average price of having a gas fire capped off. An can I remove it my self if I get the gas line capped off by a gas safe person?
Hi Allen, thoughts on me ordering a boiler man t-shirt?
not sure i understand what you are saying sorry.
Is it room sealed or open flue? Please correct me
Open flue
Open flue,
Gas cooker this does not have flue ? So what do you call this open flue or room sealed.
What about gas boiler balance flue is this room sealed or open flue and same for combination boiler ?
The reason ask the gas fires the closure plate is sealed and you only have the opening on the top of the roof flue and on gas fire canopy.
Combi boiler has the flue vented to outside, but inside boiler is all sealed than I suppose, not like the gas fire , where gas fire on the canopy area it will be open, when you can feel the draft when it windy.
siraz saleh gas cooker is classed as a flueless appliance, this gas fire is open flued as it obtains its combustion air from the room it's installed, then terminates outside. However you can get room sealed gas fires also. There's tons of videos out there on the subject.
Vomit Man thanks mate for your reply and information.
Hope you keep up with videos as I love this videos but after so long sometimes you tubers stop making videos n it’s sad
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Allen’s gone from strength to strength what a man
It's pronounced "Ba-Rock"
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Allen Hart no probs Allen 👍
What a waste of a perfectly good flue, and a focal point, destroyed for a typical big screen tv
AND?
Whatever someone decides for THEIR home is THEIR choice
Provided it is safe and legal
I thought you just had to be competent to work on gas.
You need to be Gas Safe Reg to work on gas in a customers property in the UK, Thanks.
Last time I read HSE requirements on working on gas it did say you need to be competent and being Gas safe reg is one way to demonstrate you are competent.
I don't think twice about working on gas. I just get stuck in
@@alexbarn1391 Yes it seems to be so. The minimum qualifications you're supposed to have. If you want to work on your own property are City & guilds or an Acs. I don't think many people don't care though.
When it goes tits up they call us in. I've seen some gnarly shit in the 6 years I've been doing this. You'd be pretty peeved if you found out you're neighbours were using speed speedfit fittings on gas pipework. Ticking time-bomb✌
New houses all come with a gad fireplace in the center of the living room where the TV goes. Its so dumb. Want to rip it out but it'll cost a couple thousand to rip it out and refinish the stripped wall. God why is putting fireplaces in the middle of the living room a trend? Makes no sense
What's the average price for someone remove something like this Alan and permanently disconnect from the gas?.
I charge £60 plus vat plus parts. Thanks.
All his videos are too quiet!
Video starts a 0:06 you're welcome
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