Catatonic Schizophrenia
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- An instructional-record film, presenting a clinical demonstration of characteristic symptoms of stuporous catatonia. A psychiatrist reviews the chief characteristics of the catatonic-type schizophrenic and then presents three male patients who are shown first without being stimulated directly other than by camera
and lights. The doctor then speaks to them individually, eliciting little response.Typical symptoms are demonstrated: paucity of
movement; 'waxy flexibllity; automatic obedience to simple commands; negativism; mutism; fixed facial expressions.
Writer and director, Robert Anderson
Case presented by Heinz Lehmann M.D.
Schizophrenia:Catatonic Type (lOM). Black and white; 12 minutes. Produced by the National Film Board of Canada for the Department of National Health and Welfare.
As a schizophrenic that has catatonic situations, a lot of us owe our lives to this doctor. I know it looks kind of creepy with a black and white footage and weird audio, but this man is literally a hero and watching him treat his patients like human beings, let me tell you my heart feels so whole if that makes sense. Literally I would not be able to be on a computer and type this out without medication. I am an active member of my community because of this man
Great to see the evolution of medical science progress
That's brilliant!!!
Happy you have been able to cope with your condition and reach "normality." Wish you the best of luck!!!
That’s awesome! Wish you all the best
Do you mind if I ask you a question? How aware are people during catatonia? Is it a case by case situation? If there is awareness, (and by awareness, I mean memories of the time during catatonia) is there hallucinations? Forgive me if I'm asking stupid questions. There's so much I don't understand about schizophrenia.
Also I recently made a friend who told me they have it, and I want to be a good friend to them. Having ADHD, and CPTSD myself, I know there's things that make me different, and sometimes difficult to understand. If there's any insight you can give me on how to be a good friend for him, I'd love that but don't worry if it's a personal thing for everyone and you can't, I get that too!
I don’t know how or why these videos started to appear in my recommendations, but I’m starting to find them fascinating. God Bless them.
Even I m thinking same....
These guys look like they have been traumaticized by something.
Yeah me tooo
Me too. I think at some point we have watched or searched for something in the past that has crossed paths with this topic.
@@beeandell8565 - Maybe.
I have schizophrenia and I am pretty high functioning, I bought my own house and manage my own stock portfolio. I was highly intelligent but unfortunately got some brain damage from entering into a psychosis. I live independently but have people keep a check on me to make sure I'm not going into psychosis again. With good medication and a network of support people like me with schizaphrenia can still have great lives. Have a good day and thanks for researching schizophrenia. 😊
Hello Timothy 👋 . I'm glad you've done well for yourself. ❤
What do you mean brain damage?
May allah bless you with great health
It is good to know that you are doing well in life, greetings
Doing better than me mate and I'm supposedly semi-sane.
Just so you all know, this doctor literally discovered the first antidepressants and antipsychotics. I believe that he saved a million lives, certainly saved mine. His actions ushered psychiatry in a new age, an age where it was legitimate.
What’s his name?
@@joogface386 Dr Heinz Lehman, a German Canadian doctor who practiced in Montreal Canada
@Machen SS 666 👍
I'm convinced I'm only alive bc of the work of ppl like him. I've got Bipolar Affectative Disorder
Omit 'literally'. It's superfluous.
What breaks my heart , these are someone's children, somebody's son, brother, nephew. But now unreachable, like a lost child, they seem so frail and bewildered. Its heartbreaking!
Very sensitive comment i agree with you
True, truly heartbreaking
I say they're good models for painters.
sachin diamonds not their fault
Exactly,they look libe a lost child, it makes me so sad watching this
How the doctor treats them with dignity and respect is fascinating. He is adressing them as noble gentleman.
What dignity and respect forces them to interact with him
Perhaps respect but I see little dignity
he is being recorded!
Yes, my doctor at Sachsenhausen, Orianenburg, was very kind. We put me at ease while explaining how he would remove half of my brain. Such a gentle soul.
@@infotrad dude that was brutal!
These poor souls. Hopefully they passed peacefully and were content.
Doug Alexander I know it’s not good but it was probably suicide
They didn't have a good life in here. Sad.
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
They look peaceful here. Very uneventful
Ramon Ornelas you’re a fucking despicable pig
My mom's oldest step brother acted something like this.
He came back from WWII " shell shocked" as they used to say.
He lived in a VA hospital and someone would go and get him for holidays.
I remember in the 60s and very early 70s.
He would talk a little, smile and sit there.
He conversed sparingly.
My mom told me when I was about 3 or 4 he took me from grandma's house a few blocks to the firecracker stand. Scare for everybody but he wouldn't have let anything happen to me everybody said.
I was never afraid of him just hesitant to talk to him because his responses were brief and he talked so sift.
My parents have just left me last year and this video ereminded me of Son. They called him that.
Wish I would have gotten more details of that adventure with Son from my parents before they passed.
Sure missing my folks all of a sudden.
I had them til I was 62
My mom had dementia and her mind left her completely 3 years ago.
But my dad, 87, was reading the paper at home and just went to the Lord.
Idk why I am writing all of this that no one will read.....
I read it and i think it was interesting, at the end of the day this is life and i’m sure god is only testing us. All the disabilities that are given to some people are only to see what they would do in life with them. Will they do good or bad? Life is only a test to see what paths we take, we are given our pros and cons at birth and some later in life only to see how we use and perceive them.
I’m sure your family and everyone you knew is having a good time, after-all there is nothing more prideful than a man who risked his life for his country.
I read it.. hope your doing well bud
I read it, hope youre okay
I’m reading. ❤️
I read all of it... It's truly mind blowing how through a youtube comment we can gain so much insight about a stranger's life... How vivid images of memories can get painted inside my head. God bless you and your family ❤
Watched a lot of videos like this and I must give it to the doctor, he is nicer and calmer than probably 99% of the doctors in that period
And he was German growing up during the nazi era. :=)
Yep! And there are people in the comments who disagree with us but I think he was kind. I also read someone else said this dr refuse to use shock therapy and other harsh methods.
To the poster below..there isnt such thing as "nazi" only a hollowood lie. German doctors were sought after in the US av read. Many were gold standed as family doctor. There good people just like the rest of us.
Still don't like him putting them in weird positions in a passive aggressive manner. It got me a little pissed!
@@antoneckhart6004 the fact that Germans had good doctors doesn't make Nazism a myth xD
The empathy in which the way he speaks to the individuals suffering from mental conditions is endearing. He treats every individual in a different way to suit each personality, pioneering care in a era which im sure individuals were mistreated. Kind man.
yes and the fact he cares if they’ve eaten, how they are, and if they even feel like talking and not forcing them .
People act differently when being filmed
This was incredibly rare for doctors back then too. Not many genuinely cared about their patients, as evidenced by every ghost adventures show ever made
I'm sure he's someone else off camera
Meanwhile in other facilities they are strapped up being shocked as treatment. Actually they still do that today. Electro-shock therapy was and is given to a family member who has autism severely. She quit eating and talking and they treated her with shock therapy!
Human brains are an amazing organ. You're able to conjure long train of thoughts, or be lost in them forever.
So fragile
How told you that?
-your own brain?
@@limp7684
What bull shit made you comment ?
Let me guess🤔
Your Ass?
400th like. I’m OCD lol
All brains are so fascinating. Even the animal world has anomalies from the norm (although we humans are just extraordinary animals).
Its both intriguing and frightening at the same time.
Reminder, it is not that they are completely oblivious to him, or choosing to ignore him. Rather, there are many things they perceive to be going on in the room; the doctor is only one of many people talking and moving around them. To them, they are all equally real. Imagine a room full of people asking for your attention and speaking to you and moving around you every day of your life. It’s normal to you, but you can’t always give your attention to the right person because you don’t know who the right one is.
Or the "real" one. I don't know if this is what you meant but their minds are like a room full of people. They are not only over stimulated by the physical room theyre in with lights and cameras and the Dr and each other but all the voices in their heads.
@@hayleymo8 Voices? Catatonia isn't specific to schizophrenia, it can occur with other mental health and medical conditions such as depression, bipolar, conditions that involve psychosis (schizophrenia), neurodevelopmental disorders (adhd, autism), substance abuse disorders and medical conditions like head trauma, diabetes, etc.
This video is from the 60s and since then we have made progress understanding what/why/how it is.
Catatonia is usually treated with sedatives because the nature of it is based in fear.
@@uggggggghhhhh Yes, I apologize I was't more specific. You have to truncate your messages in a forum suh as this. I am worried that some of the reaction is genuinely the setting they are forced into and the time period, as most mental health facilities were quite unkind and we did not have a wide understanding. I have people in my life right now that I imagine might shut down in this setting.
That makes a lot of sense
Catatonic schizophrenia doesn't always and is commonly seen without hallucinations but rather delusions and fantasies. You can see they are in there fantasy world in the video. Hallucinations is more commonly seen in paranoid schizophrenia which they do not have.
Given the time this was filmed, the therapist has an incredibly gentle touch with the patients which was relatively unknown during that period.
Still intrusive and embarassing imo
@@Kholaslittlespot1 I highly doubt they felt embarrassed. They may have felt intruded, though. I doubt they were bothered by it. Maybe I'm projecting my own schizoid attitude.
Kinda fucked up how he just kept moving them at his own volition without explaining to them why he was doing it
@@theboogeyman9813 it is a clinical sign of catatonia. He does it for looking how bad the symptoms are. Before talking you should study, just to not saying thing that are out of context
He's making a video to be documented he is already fully aware of their symptoms
Catatonia is really interesting to me as an extremely rare psychiatric phenomenon. It demonstrates the real power of the human brain in the context of a really profound neurological malfunction. It's tragic on a humanitarian level but I believe we can learn a lot from these people.
Sarah Riedel Howe feel high
Sarah Riedel how does this exactly work? Like does anyone know what they see all the time? Or they can’t communicate to tell us?
@@Shutupandshop123 it kind of depends on the individual but from what I've heard from people who experience catatonia and have explained what it's like, it's like having an extremely bad panic attack and freezing, so they are conscious and thinking but they are paralyzed. In some patients they may be lost in hallucinations and so not aware of what's going on around them.
Apparently catatonic schizophrenia is way more rare these days and can almost not be seen, so I guess that kind of lessens our chances to understand it.
I major in psychology and our psychopatology professor told us that.
Catatonic syptoms as a part of other illnesses can occur sometime but yeah catatonic sch like this is not that common anymore.
@Persy Person now that you pointed it out it makes sense, when I asked my professor about it she didn't know and even when I tried to google it I did not find some concrete answers
But this is definetely a good idea, thanks!
Why do in all old videos usually the man that talks had the same voice or is it just me
Why is it when I watch MTV in the current day, they all talk the same.....
jamie brock because it is the same man dumb ass
Yes!!!
That's scary
People just talked differently back then.
This doctor was so ahead of his time. He helped to get the diagnosis of homosexuality dropped as a mental disorder. He supported decriminalisation of cannabis. He was an advocate for the use of psilocybin to help treat anxiety. He promoted chlorpromazine when evidence showed it could help patients with schizophrenia. He was born and studied in Germany, yet his English is impeccable and there is not a trace of a German accent. Truly a remarkable human
The irony considering the evidence now that marijuana causes psychosis in certain patients and onset of schizophrenia.
whats his name?
I hear an accent.
@@thekahunaalohait's in the title. Heinz Lehman
He shouldn’t have
Prisoners in their own bodies.
The Unsalted I wonder what internal voices they hear. Walter, I think, has evil voices. Nathan has voices that were joking. Tommy has evil and joking voices at the same time.
Hard to say if they are "prisoners" or not.
I know from experience that a person can look one way on the outside and experience something quite opposite of that appearance on the inside.
As an example, in many cases of men experiencing a "blank" state of mind (no thoughts and seemingly no way to get back thoughts), leaving a face completely blank (emotionless), they are (again, not in all, but some cases, which have been verified after the fact), inwardly, in a state of pure ecstasy beyond our conception of bliss.; yet, we'll feel pity for them, as we see it, in their "catatonia" or "stupor" or "coma", depending on the actual circumstances and our interpretation of of what label best fits what we perceive.
We take in the picture of such a man and we feel sorry for him because he's "not there", but he doesn't want to "come back", you see? We're the ones to be pitied, not the man who's lost thought and, with that, all desire to desire, all anxiety to become or overcome -- he's truly FREE!
That's what we seem to miss in our daily affairs of being caught up in our minute to minute rituals and in achieving our goals. The thinking and striving and the "doing" IS THE CAUSE of our anxieties. Thinking and attempting to control, those are exhausting activities that beget stress. Now death, that's a blissful event, because all that nonsense finally comes to an abrupt, very pleasant, end... even if that equates to black screen forever.
I get that you're trying to be an artist James.
But fucking dammit, you're romanticizing a mental illness. And it's disgusting.
No, they're not 'truly free' they are bound by the delusions of their faulty neurological pathways.
Any person would change their opinion on the beauty of this sickness as soon as someone invited them to experience that for the rest of their lives.
Then all your criticism of the real world would seem distant. _Better to live in reality rather than a blissful lie_
Don't be arrogant G.G.
You likely don't fully experience your own consciousness, let alone someone else's. You are in no position to speak for someone else's experiences, or lack thereof. Of course, neither am I.
But I do know that outward appearances don't always correlate with the inward experience. I figured that was worth positing to this discussion, since, as far as I'm concerned, it's the most relevant point to consider when we think about how "unfortunate" people are and/or start trying to "cure" them of their "disease".
I'll tell you what the true disease is: thinking that we understand how things work and trying to "fix" them based on that idea. We don't. We're all a bunch of idiots, mostly concerned about distracting ourselves from our fear of death by consciously occupying ourselves with "curing" (solving) one thing or another. We look at everything and everyone but ourselves.
How about this idea: let others be while we find out who we are?
Maybe one day we can actually speak and act from a position of (self) knowledge, as opposed to pure arrogance/ ignorance. Maybe one day our actions to "make things better" will actually improve each subject's experience of life instead of undermining any real progress that individuals happen to make.
That day won't happen as long as the majority of humans are concerning themselves with curing everyone around them (making other people and the world fit their pre-conceived ideas of what is "right", as if that even exists).
James Brown Seems vicious to me. Let others be translates into “let them suffer”.
I've seen this Dr. in many of the vids...he's a compassionate man.
Never know what’s going on when the camera is off
@@melaninzoria6519 You’re right but as far as that goes, no one can say he isn’t compassionate either then. There’s no proof of him being cruel or hateful. There is proof he cares enough to help at least because we have proof, right? He’s a doctor so we know he wants to help others more than likely. We also can see in the video he was nice to the patients.
Therefore, it makes much more sense that we say he is kind or compassionate than it does to say he is not kind of compassionate.
What would you think if someone saw a video of you with your child or niece/nephew and you were holding them in your lap talking nicely to them.
Then, someone says, “You’re such a good mom!” Or “You’re such a good aunt!”
After that initial comment someone else types up, “Well, we don’t really know if she’s a good mom or not. She actually may be a terrible mom.”
What’s the point in doing that? There’s proof showing you SEEM TO BE a good mother but no proof saying otherwise. So, we should just assume you’re a good mom and move on.
@@BS-dq1kz Psychiatrists are even tempered. They have to be in order to gain the confidence of the patient.
He is not. Learn to read faces. He looks like a carnivore
@@samename1981 learn to do a bit of research-this Dr helped move us away from using barbaric treatments
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz_Lehmann
This is so painful to watch. I can’t imagine the pain these folks were in. Bless their hearts, I hope they’re in a better place
Who says they're in pain? They might be quite happy in their own mind.
@@jimadams8272 really? You truly believe they weren't in any pain? You can just tell by their expression
@@marianab71 theyre catatonic... do you know what that means ?
@@bongwatersoop yes, i actually do know. where does it say catatonic people aren't able to feel pain ?
@@marianab71 They aren't trying to say that. Have you ever met a person who had a sort of "resting bitch face" but were actually quite a very happy and friendly individual?
I wouldn't say these me are well off but neither you nor I know how it actually feels to be them and assuming is dangerous. If we were to assume that this condition is painful and causes them suffering we might find it easier to justify a treatment so long as it causes them less pain than we perceive them to be in now. If they are not actually in pain then a treatment that does cause actual pain is actually the torture. There is a very fine line between doing harm and doing good and it's far easier to cross than most people expect.
Friendly Doctor. Well mannered. Guides them like an older brother.
Ofcourse its a video. I dont think u'd find it funny in a mental hospital anno early 1900s bro to me they looked scared and confused even though they sick
@@giusepperamundo61 I noticed that the Doctor seems to be very friendly. By the way this video is made off a film. Which was done in the 50ies or 60ies. Definitely not in 1900.
Very rare a mental health specialized doctor even acted this friendly during the time period. Im glad not all doctors were like the horror stories we hear now about asylums
@@litneyloxan I never specifically heard of any, do you mean something like crazy experiments being done on those people or that they were "just" treated very bad?
Only thing I know is the game Outlast where they did fucking crazy experiments but I can't tell if things like that actually happened or if that's exaggerated so the game is more creepy and horrifying...
I mean of course the results of these experiments in this game are unrealistic but the experiments themselves... I don't know probably something they actually did a lot back then right?
@@lynquid yes they happened, governments around the world have used their psychiatric instructions to do the worst kind of experiments, from MK Ultra to the effects of sun light deprivation, torture etc. If u happened to be mentally ill and have no family your existence in one of these places would be that of a guinea pig in hell.
walter is about to knock the cameraman out, i dont blame him
Walter is going to be on my nightmares tonight.
I feel bad for him at 6:20, the way the doctor just leaves him propped, you can see after how Walter is just disgusted with the whole process as he puts his hands over his face in a very recognizable gesture.
sook oner lmao 3:27
Lol
@@aroseinwinter05 yeah it's funny how he looks at the camera and makes funny faces before turning around
My boyfriend lost his mom to schizophrenia when he was only a child. She had lost her sister and since then her symptoms got worse and all she wanted was to follow her dead sister. She would say that her sister calls her and asks her to follow. She attempted multiple suicides from jumping off a bridge to many other things and finally by setting herself on fire. When she did that the people who saw her said even though her body was on fire she didn't feel anything. Her skin which was burnt kept falling off and she stood still without feeling any physical pain. It still baffles me to this day that she didn't feel any pain when her entire body was on fire and I cannot even stand next to one without feeling the burn. Human mind is way stronger and mysterious than we know or will ever know.
No Content 😟
Wtf
How do they know she wasn't feeling any pain? Sorry, but I find that hard to believe that they could know that.
@@catclark9488 They knew that because they spoke to her while doctors tried to clean her body with water and she stood there saying she is fine and doesn't feel anything. As far as I know she was very pretty and she wore her wedding dress and jewelry that day and attempted to burn herself alive while her kids were just outside in their room. Her entire body was on fire below neck and she was in a trance kind of state. Schizophrenia does more things to the mind than we can ever imagine.
@YOU ARE NOT A VICTIM YOU ARE THE MONSTER it's sad to know the things people go through
To all ppl saying this man/interviewer was an a** to them, let me tell you, I am majoring in neurosciences, in my psychiatric diseases class we've literally talked about this man. One of the most important ones in the psychiatric field, Heinz Lehmann. We literally watched these videos in class.
Didn't see a single comment talking about doctor being an ass
This brought tears to my eyes my daughter suffered from mental health in silence and committed suicide four days after her 18th bday only her boyfriend and school counselor knew she was a functional mental health victim she always smiled when you see always pleasant to be around and very mild mannered always listened to other people's stress but never released her stress may God bless her keep her until i see her again I love you GG....3.2003 to 3.2021
Rest In Peace ❤️
😢😢
God bless her and you as well
My condolences
I feel so bad for them and I wonder what is going through their mind or how much of the outside world they absorb. They seem to live in their own world and I hope they have had their own kind of happiness in their lives.
It varies: some patients can't remember the whole episode, some vaguely remember being immobile and unable to communicate, most remember feeling intense overwhelming emotions, most often intense anxiety. Interestingly most recovered catatonic patients find it difficult to remember the motor symptoms.
Sihe I would pay you to record me for a week
They are terrified and hoping the doctor won't give them another round of electroshock.
Sihe As someone who experiences catatonia, in my personal experience it’s not so bad. I don’t remember a lot of it as someone mentioned but, what I do remember is loved ones trying to talk to me become so frustrated they decide to leave me be until I come out of it. Which gets depressing because sometimes I know they are talking to me but I can’t get the words out. That said, everyone who does experience catatonia, does so differently. For me, I am in there and thinking just not on the same wavelength as I am when I am asymptomatic. I think it’s honestly more traumatic for others to see me that way. Hopefully these men were acting.
They each have constructed a make believe fantasy world to escape to permanently as the result of trauma that was most likely constant, ongoing and unabating.
I had a couple of full on schizophrenic breaks in my 20s and was hospitalised both times.
It was intense. The first time was more of a disconnection from reality thing where I believed outlandish things were real.
There were so many ridiculous things. I remember at one point while I was confined to bed I thought there was this regime that meant if you were a good person you got to take steps commensurate with how good a person you were.
I was a shit so I was confined to bed.
There's a lot of that rationalising your current situation happens in extreme mental illness.
I remember fighting the system that week and getting up and leaving bed on a locked ward and being forcibly returned to my bed and getting a jab of chlorpromazine in my arse for my trouble.
Over three months I improved a bit and I was discharged with the diagnosis of having had a schizophrenic episode.
I was disharged on a huge depot of antipsychotic jabbed on my arse every month.
It was horrible.
I was a zombie for two weeks then I would gradually come back to myself then I would get jabbed again.
My depression was unchanged. I was not psychotically depressed anymore. I was just even more depressed.
Finally it reached a head where I refused to get my depot and struck out alone. I was sick of being a zombie and wanted to feel again.
A year later My depression had once again become psychotic.
I was seeing souls leave bodies and feed into mine and now I was hearing my own voice shit on me vocally from time to time.
At this point I was genuinely scared for my sanity. I understood My voice in my head was berating me and It wasn't that normal controoled thought narrative you sometimes have - it was a heard voice. Another.
There was some drama but I got checked into a mental hospital again.
I got worse over a four week period until I couldn't read anymore. By the time the end of the sentence came around I couldn't remember the start of it.
I remember trying to read a Para Handy book and having no success. Weird thing is the primal emotions from Steve Vai's Sex and Religion came through quite strong.
A bit later James (the band) worked well as well. SHamen too.
My mod was all over the place though and I had a couple of suicide attempts.
One with a bowl of sugar I smashed and hid the fragments and sneaked into a shower.
I tried to slit my Psych Doctors and nurses came up with the hypothesis I was suffering from Psychotic depression rather than Schizophrenia.
They saw a lot of my delusions centered around death and guilt.
They put me on some antidepressants for a few weeks but when that had no effect they decided it was time to offer ECT.
Somehow at this point I was deemed well enough to sign off on this myself.
I did so despite some scary warnings about how I could lose all memory or end up a zombie or somesuch.
I had the ect and woke up confused but given some toast wondering where I was.
I felt normal but a bit confused.
I have to say ECT is a miracle cure for Psychotic depression that has resisted all other cures.
It's literally an emp to the brain that breaks all weakly connected habitual thought.
I was still me just me restored from about a year previously.
Yes there was huge memory loss. I couldn't remember the past three months and the last six months were hazy too but my mood and habitual thought patterns were freed.
Over time the memories came back the negative thoughts gradually started to crop up again but now I had a head start on them and I developed coping mechanisms like Meditation classes and going back to Uni to finish my degree.
I applied from mental hospital and the very graciously allowed me back.
Now is 20+ years later and despite a couple of blips my mental health has been goo enough to lead a full and normal life.
There is life after a complete psychotic break.
It's hard for a few years and It can be hard to imagine it will ever get better but it does get better.
The more you push yourself to feel the anxiety and have nothing bad happen the more the anxiety will diminish.
Your anxiety is only trying to protect you. Treat it like an older brother that is trying to baby you.
Tell it "It's OK I think. I've got this."
Wow - wrote a lot.
Hope that helps someone.
Luv and Peace.
Thank you for sharing and wishing you continued good health. 🙏
I think u were poisoned with a neurotoxic poison (whether accidentally through food or vaxxin3s or maybe drug use) and these idiots made it much worse by pumping u full of drugs, the ECT is so extreme I can imagine how it can help by literally inflicting mild physical damage in the brain and its pathways and forcing it to regenerate and rebuild.
@@pamelapamper Lmao excellent armchair diagnosis. What are your qualifications?
@@RLMitchell take your appeal to authority falacy outta here.
@@pamelapamper Haha, whatever you want to tell yourself. Looks like the magnetic waves have poisoned your mind.
Honestly, nathen shying and smiling like that melts my heart
Same ❤️
I loved when he put his other hand over his chest with his other hand in the air and had his eyes closed with a smile
Right?
Why? He's smiling because he's seeing/hearing things that aren't there. It's sad, not heartwarming.
The guy in the middle has the reaction of someone who was woke up all of a sudden. That state of confusion when you fall asleep on the couch.
Right hes like wtf is this
I think it's called Perplexity. Probably one of Kurt Schneider's Second Rank Symptoms.
lost a friend to this shit. when he was medicated he was ok, but then his Mum died. She was the only one to keep him medicated, he said they were placebos, but he took them to keep Marroka happy When she died he was hospitalized, because of that, us, his friends, were excluded from any contact. We tried to tell the Doctors that he needed not just medication, but us, his friends. We were turned away "your not family". Long story short, he was released without notification to us, and he hung himself on the night of his release. Albert was a lovely guy, but with issues. Treatable issues, but the system failed him, and continues to fail people. Albert, I believe, would still be with us if the system had allowed his friends input, not just his estranged father, who signed his release. He needed us most at that time, but we were denied any chance to help him, because of the law. RIP 'bert we still love you and think of you..
That's so heartbreaking. I'm sorry for your loss. I hope the world changes in a way there will be no more lost friends or family's to something so desvastiting. Just know people like me and I'm sure millions of others are working on the same thing to get to the same point of peace within everyone. We just have to keep spreading our message and doing all that we can.
This is a sad story but not all too uncommon. Schizophrenic spectrum illnesses are progressive and about 10% of people with it are able to commit suicide successfully. Although you may feel or believe deep down he "needed his friends" in addition to his meds, that may have never been enough. If you were turned away as "friends" not family that could have to do with his acute symptoms at the time and being dangerous to himself or others therefore making him not available for visits. Schizophrenia is *treatable while someone is hospitalized and most suffer without having someone or a team remind them and sometimes force them to take their meds. He may not have even known who you or his friends were due to an acute psychosis. It truly is one of the most insidious and horrible diseases known to man.
I'm saving this comment, will help me through my hard times. RIP Albert
I know too well, my own granddad had the same issue, and went to the mental hospital twice. When he got to go back for the 3rd one, he hung himself too. - I will never go back to that hell ever again! he said. The day before he had to go, he killed himself. I never met him, but only can imagine how hard that must be.
this is so tragic im so sorry. yes the system is failing many many people. its criminal.
They're in so much mental pain that they are disassociating.
J S you don’t know that, don’t assume
So true and some chemical imbalances
J S is this how they get sik? From pain life brings ?
Could be the meds, lobotomies or even shock treatment therapy... but you’re right, could be the pain. :( so tragic.
Now only if doctors would stop being lawyers today.
I've worked with psych patients..One guy I'll never forget. Doug..Early 30's..He broke my heart..He was so lost inside his own mind..it's truly one of the saddest things to watch..
Michelle Burnside luckily the medicines we have today can really truly help.
Poor Doug. What country is it that you are not bound by confidentiality laws?
@@Devilish__ no sometimes the medicine and therapie help nothing. Yea it helps more ppl than back then but still...
ErnestPiffel It’s called HIPAA. The Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) sets the standard for sensitive patient data protection.
@@ErnestPiffel Idiot. Saying, "I worked (anywhere) with a person, in his thirties, named Doug" (anywhere in the world..) does NOT break any HIPPAA rules.
What an inane comment.
So, go report her, wherever she is, wherever it was., whenever this took place, you silly person. yeesh.
Stop trying to react, "with authority", when your ideas make no sense, at all.
What an absolutely amazing doctor. He really dedicated his life to helping his patients. You can tell he treats them like they should be treated, with respect. Thank you.
Considering the age and era of the film, it seems probable that these men have been given therapies in the form of lobotomy’s and shock treatments ..
How very tragic... 😔
Exactly
This didn’t occur to me until I read your comment but now that you mention it, you can even see where the side of the 2nd mans head is shaved and appears to have been stitched up or have scars on it
@@shantellee3308 here is some info for you if you are interested and did not already know; There was a famous doctor named Walter Freeman who went coast to coast making a lot of money doing lobotomy treatments. He would take an icepick and insert it into the socket of the patient's eye socket, then take a small hammer and tap...tap...tap the icepick into the prefrontal lobe of the brain, a treatment used to mellow out violent chimpanzees...he called it a "Lobotomy". True and devastating for some, yet with other violent mentally ill it seemed a miracle. I'm sure you could find a documentary on this subject.
@Persy Person Yes it's not simple skitz it is catotonic skitz. It is very real.
Lasher Squirrel Slayer Thank you for the info.
Yes I was aware of this Dr, and how many lives were devastated.
Sadly, these poor souls were quite often only suffering from minor issues.. Grief was often seen as a mental disorder, and extreme measures taken..
I’m sure you’re also in the know of how many women and young prepubescent girls were given lobotomy’s.
😔
Having had an episode of psychosis maybe I can shed some insight on what it's like (not that I can speak for them, I was never catatonic to this degree). I had disorganised thought and catatonic behaviour. It becomes incredibly difficult to think, to hold a thought, to finish a sentence. It is exhausting to do so, a physical analogy would be trying to walk somewhere and your legs don't do what you tell them, and they just get more and more tired until you have to collapse for a as long as it takes to get energy back. My mind simply went void.
I thought people where stealing my energy, everyone seemed to have so much of it. I however had so little, luckily delusions seemed to be erased by a lack of energy to entertain them. I even thought my dog was an evil contributor to my lack of energy. There's more to it than I can explain in a comment but I was lucky I managed to recover, it was hell. A lonely hopeless filled hell.
bracken pops Thank you so much for your comment! It really sheds a lot of light on this awful disease. You are in my prayers 😘💨
I can relate to this but not this bad ,but I get lost in my mind for hrs on end staring blankly unmoved and having people yelling my name several times before I tune into what they are saying,it's sad because people think I'm doing it on purpose but I'm not 😐
How did you recover?
Tfs .Gives us better insight.
What treatment did you undergo? I have disorganized schizophrenia with occasional catatonia and I am taking antidepressants with antipsychotics, they only reduce positive symptoms, no effect on negative and cognitive symptoms.
Are you able to shower more than once a week, work, have friends and a gf, go to the gym??
Did you try ECT??
God bless this guys.... They are human beings like everyone else they are not monsters!!!!!!!!!!!!
THANK YOU!!!!
Im not saying that they are less than everyone else because they arent, but they are not like everyone else, their reality is completely different from ours
@@calebrafus7493
My reality is different from yours
Completely different.
It's always the people who claim to be right who hurt others.
These are men, souls, hearts and minds , more courageous, more beautiful
Who said they were monsters? ( !!!!!!!!!! )
@@jimadams8272 no one... lol
Catatonia is real. In the 1970’s I worked in a state psychiatric hospital on Medical Services. We treated both physical and mental ailments and sicknesses; patients having both a sick mind and a sick body are quite challenging. But I must say we loved those people. Most of them were placed in our care when they were very young and their families just didn’t know what to do with them and they were just basically warehoused, away from polite society. Many had late-term syphilis. Some had just been abandoned as children if they acted out. I remember one lady, contorted and disfigured, had delivered her own father’s baby, alone in a woodshed while pouring rain. She’d had a stroke in childbirth. There was no real therapies until psychiatry evolved. So the staff were often the only “family” these folks had. One patient had murdered his wife with a broom handle. Sadly, he was well into Alzheimer’s at the time, and every day he would sadly roam the unit, asking where she was and why she hadn’t come to see him. A mental institution long term care was the only option for him. Mental disorders are cruel, but a fact of life. Those of us who can and will, must look out for these precious people.
You angel, thank you for taking care of them!! It’s a tough job and takes a very special kind of compassionate human to do so. I can’t imagine how challenging it was but I am glad you found it fulfilling and had love for them!! You are definitely a gem!!
her own farher’s baby😰😰😰 this is beyond horrific
They look like they are in a waiting room expecting devastating updates.
😂😂😂
“I’m sorry, your entire family has died in a car accident. They were all decapitated.”
These people:
That’s exactly what is happening.
That's how it feels
Not funny at all .. whats wrong with you guys ?
I think they are hallucinating so bad that it's hard for them to pay attention to the real world
that is it exactly and the voices tell them funny things a long with very bad things ....my brother suffers with this and has explained many things when we found a med that kinda helps.
Not all schizophrenics hallucinate. My father is a paranoid schizophrenic with violent tendencies and I also have an uncle who is a schizophrenic and neither of them hallucinate. I have bipolar disorder and I at times have visual and hearing hallucinations and those traits are not common for someone who suffers from bipolar disorder to display.
@@shadowdancer9402 no so much hallucinating but they do hear voices ..that is the number one sign of it. So I've been told by a specialist . Im not dr or specialist lol ❤ but my brother would see things he said. He said one time that sitting in the house everything was in colour and calm and normal but to look outside there was a war going on and things exploding and it was all in black and white. I couldn't imagine :( Sorry to hear you go thru what you do ❤
@@shadowdancer9402 you're my my my my kindof wuman
This is catatonic schizophrenia not paranoid.
This is absolutely heartbreaking to watch
:(
Very true! and as someone who has schizophrenia myself I can honestly say that unless the right treatment is provided, extremely scary to go through and extremely horrible to both receive and watch how some of us are treated under the care of some unprofessional/evil doctors and nurses while in hospital! I like your comment as it shows your obviously a very caring person, the very kind of person who would be great at helping us folk that are unfortunate enough to suffer from mental health issues bless you Andy Berrington ♥
It’s overwhelming. I can’t help but wonder if they were ever loved or valued. Did they have relationships? I think I know the answer and it’s not good.
@Daniel 00000000 Yes it is still going on today behind closed doors and open doors.
My son is 55years old, mentally handicapped/autistic and lives at home only because I his parent fight the medical
services to keep him at home, as they are pretty discriminating against and unsupported and well near leave
them to die, if it were not for parents and real good carer's.
We have no help to prove disability because record keeping when our son was at special school
were not kept and the welfare for benefits people want evidence.
The local authorities (whom controls all state schooling, including special schools and took over from Regional Health Boards)
www.oxfordshirehealtharchives.nhs.uk/hospitals/borocourt.htm
whom controlled the special mental hospitals also did not do good record keeping, and information was only passed on in many instances by word, if at all.
Was like running a prison by a prison warden not interested in their job, but in these instances were
governed by the Psychiatrist.
Believe me I have enough experience as a parent to know.
There is no government money to support their care when it is given by the elderly whom are pensionable age unlike working age parents whom can claim a carers allowance
and yet the cost of extra care and fuel bills need supplementing and yet there is no financial
aid and on a whole General Practitioners (GP) don't want them as their patients because of
them requiring input of extra time, we in my family know of this by being pushed around by the
General Practitioners for over 20 years from one General Practice to another on a turning rota
every two weeks
We parents, do the hard work of caring and are expected to fight for welfare benefits for them
as cuts have been made to legal aid
and up against welfare cuts because of a government and medical profession that are ignorant
of the medical conditions that they think they are expert in, when they cruelly are not and then
they do not even know what compassion is all about.
Is it "absolutely heartbreaking" to watch? For you maybe. Just 3 random old dudes in a mental stupor. You probably drive by people in worse state on your daily commute to work, if you live in any medium or large city, you walk by them daily. Given the absolute heartbreaks you must suffer regularly, how you still alive, watching youtube videos and even commenting on them... You brave soul. Try being less of a pussy?
I agree with the doctor's conclusion. All three men were very aware, and reacting in their own way. I loved observing their distinct personalities, and not only their initial reactions, but how they adjusted to the situation. There was no cruelty here. Clinical is just that: it's clinical and somewhat cold in nature. My humanitarian side would like to see how these neat individuals could lend their uniqueness to society as opposed to simply being endless case studies and observations. Unlock their good potential. You never know until you try a different approach outside of what the DSM-5 well knows by now
Blablabla, Jesus is not the Son of God, Christianity is a false religion.
The middle one is thinking so intensely! Must have been exhausting for them
He's rehearsing his role for "Spider"
The boiz high af 😂😭
Its kinda scary to know that can happend aswel with excessive use of pychodelics
@@Koragh_ Yes indeed.
The second dude is stylish and he looks like he knows it ..
MissyNomer Sixtynine I get a peaky blinder vibe from him lol
looks like he collected on debts for the mafia
big time.
When the doc says turn around hes like get the fuck outta here, then he's like didnt i tell him to get fuck out of here…
You made my day, bro
Haha! Yes!
God bless these poor souls.
midnight rider ❤️
God bless my fucking ass
@@Avenger4343 i'm quiet sure your ass has been blessed many times by many different individuals
@@johnsmith-bx4rn oof
@@johnsmith-bx4rn lol
My son went through this and the ER tried to tell me that he needed an anorexia clinic, then called social services on us alleging abuse. They completely missed all the signs of catatonia. Many months later with the help of another 2 hospitals he was finally diagnosed and treated for schizoaffective disorder. At 15yo, he's gotten down to 93lbs before anyone took us seriously and many months of hospitalization to get him fully stabilized. . It was a total nightmare, but now he's doing so well. I wish more people knew about catatonia. Despite being highly educated, I hadn't even heard of the term until my son went through it.
Poor souls. 😕 They are so innocent. I hope those people took good care of them.
Mercy lord they need deliverance
More than likely didn't... I wish I could've cared for them instead... it hurts my heart so much...
You lnow tbeu didn't
Unfortunately those 'treating' them were ignorant & it's still the case today where the medical establishment attempts to fit what is seen into constructs created by theorists (today some of those are not as bad as they may have been at the turn of the last century) at the time rather than actually uncover causes & then treat from the perspective of cause to help these men. At the time there wouldn't have been tests available to see if these men were affected by water or meat borne pathogens.
Blackiti Katt , it's a bit presumptuous to say that "they are so innocent" based on a short clip showing the individuals in a state of acute mental illness - you know literally nothing about them as people apart from how their behaviour seems to be severely affected by the schizophrenia at this point of their lives.
You know, regardless of how ill and incapacitated they might be, it's worth remembering that they are still people! ...and people older than like 2 years old are generally much more complex than "so innocent" or "not innocent".
If you see a short clip of a person incapacitated in a hospital bed, unable to move due to extensive injuries from an accident, or due to some progressive disease, will you also exclaim: "Oh! They are so innocent!" ??
....Well, I hope not, cuz you know, their illness does not define their whole being - they are a person beyond their illness - so it's not actually very empathetic or respectful to just reduce them down to their illness and judge their character by how you perceive the effects of their illness to influence their behaviour and thinking...
Obviously, suffering from mental illness doesn't in any way make you a "bad" person, just like suffering from diabetes or MS wouldn't, but in itself it also doesn't make you "innocent". It's an illness, not a predictor of character, morality, choices and behaviour.
They are absolutely locked in thought. Their thoughts are running away with them and to overwhelming to them to pay attention to what's going through their head and what's going on outside at the same time.
their bodies are on autopilot
Marianne Leavitt who can you possibly know this
You just described people today on their cellphones
they are heavaly druged
Agree
@@harveyhyslop6134 simple observation
Wish we could know what’s going on in their minds, what they are thinking, if they are content or suffering.
I THINK IT'S CLEAR
IF PEOPLE ARE STUPID AND IGNORANT IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S SO EASY TO UNDERSTAND...
THEY ARE JUST TYRED OF THIS CIRCUS
That would be really helpful.
Of course i cannot know for sure, but it seems to me that catatonics are trying to escape their feelings and their reality, which makes them unresponsive. They are simply absent because the world out there was too much for them to handle as their emotions were to fragile. This is just a guess, and it is surely much more complicated than my vague opinion, but still you can see at 6:55 that the guy clearly refuses to look at the doctor or give any attention to outside events.
They are thinking about nothing. Have a blank mind. Their attention is very narrow so when they are asked to do some thing like raise hand they do it automatically without no thinking. This is the basis of echopraxia. Also when they stand, sit etc they have no or little awareness of their posture this is why they do it for hours with no awareness of time passing, discomfort feeling etc as they are not paying attention to them. Its more like a meditation state.
@@prince2132
I see. Sounds like meditation but kinda on the opposite end of the spectrum. Like total emptiness
I feel like there is a million questions being pondered inside Walter's head at all times and it's so overwhelming he literally can't form words
This doctor must of been the rarest for their time. Mental health wards were so cruel to alot of these patients who need serious treatment and understanding. Bless these men and everyone who cared for them.
This is really difficult to watch ..
PoliceConduct 💔😭🤧
Stfu, thank you.
Why?
If you've gone thru this as i have you would be more sympathetic👆
Matthew Reis .. If you're talking to me, I am sympathetic! I couldn't imagine what they're going through and my heart goes out to anyone who has gone through this
What they dont show you is the shock treatment 20 mins before this interview
this is so sad :/
right or the treatment and punishments they get and drugs and instruction they were given before this
Right, this is old. I know they was doing some wild shit. The colored video with the "catonic schizophrenic" is sick. He was kinda bullying him, breaking him rather than attempting to repair.
Thats upsetting
a shock treatment ? really ?
As someone who does NOT have schizophrenia but HAS experienced catatonia from a psychotic break, the second guy really shed light for me on what catatonia can look like.
At the beginning of the video I was like, “Okay that first guy is definetly catatonic, but the second guy seems fine- he’s looking around and even directly at the camera”. Then the doctor spoke to him, and I realized he was definetly not fine- very interesting stuff as I plan to become a psychiatrist myself
Reminds me of the time I had derealization/depersonalization on mushrooms. My buddy kept asking me questions but I didn't respond because I was still trying to sort out my basic understanding of reality, which had completely left me. Nothing was familiar, it like I was perpetually being born, moment to moment, never able to progress or get a grasp on things.
Final Boss I had a very similar experience on shrooms as well. I tried to draw to look normal but I remember freaking out about how to hold a pencil, or what even is drawing, I couldnt communicate, it was a very intense experience. Luckily by the end of the trip I was able to work my way out of it and be normal, but that first 4 hours was brutal. I feel like I learned a lot from it though, even if it was terrifying at the time
Yes, this described very similarly a time I felt the same but it was from Ketamin and weed (mushrooms always fuk you up and change your life) sat in my girlfriends house and reality escaped me like never before, I was suddenly unaware of who my girlfriend was and where I was.I had reconstruct reality working backwards while trying not to panic as I didn't want the strangers to see me freaking. It lasted about 2 minutes fortunately.
The rush I got when my brain clicked back into it normal rhythm was intense, felt like my brain did a 180 and plopped back in place.
This is the closest I've been to psychosis, and I've done a lot of drugs over the years.
I guess this state is maybe close to how these guys look, but I'd say they are on some serious drugs to produce such passive-ness.
Very sad.
Vamos a la k-hole. To my understanding catatonic is more of a passive state rather than dissociative/strong tripping state. I got some bad stuff once, nothing seemed to help ease it so I thought acid is the only way and if it doesn't work then atleast everything would look good meanwhile. It didn't help but it was sunny and everything looked amazing. I had trouble speaking more than very few words during the worst hours, not because of fear, anxiety etc but from moving itself, my whole body was very static/ridgid, not in a ketamine like way more like a robotic joint without oil. Dopamine is involved in movement so there probably is some connection.
Steve Rowe haha I totally forgot about the sensation of coming back. It is like a flip of switch, like someone turned the lights back on. I remember hugging the couch because I was so fucking glad to be back while also horrified that such an experience was even possible.
Maximillian Brozinic interesting bit about dopamine and movement. Difficulty speech probably has something to do with the action of the drug itself, but compounded by the state of maximum confusion/dread fed by the literal existential crisis you're trying to navigate. I know when I'm having run-of-the-mill nervousness/panic my speech is labored probably because that area of the brain is working overtime managing frantic self talk as well as trying to put on a good face and speak normally.
I have to say I really love how softly this man speaks to them. You can tell he's quite good at what he does.
I don't agree. He speaks to them like they are dumb ..they aren't. They are just over medicated zombies that probably had a labotomy.
are we watching the same video???? do you see how badly he treated Nathan (the 3rd person)????
He's fucking patronising
@S A these dumb asses are a bunch of snowflakes. I agree with you, this man was very patient and compassionate with these people. He was simply speaking in soft tone and just trying to perform his research. His practices and medications have helped millions of people from around the world. People are just too quick to judge without knowing a damn thing.
No you can't?? Some of these comments are ridiculous
I'm thinking about how much these people suffered to get to this stage, which methods were used at that time, how harmful they would cause to the patients instead of helping them.
Well, we put people like this in homeless shelters today.
Hellooo
@@eltonjohn3236 America in a nutshell!
This likely isn't a result of the treatment although clearly these people weren't getting effective treatment at the time this is sadly what schizophrenia looks like when left to develop without medication and therapy
hmm that how treatment develop, i dont think any of doctors do harm purposefully, past and now , they try to help with whatever except able treatment available. There will be a time that people think today's medicine is barbaric too.
For many years we didn't know what happened to my sister or what name to attach to what is happening to her even now. This video is the first time I am able to give her condition a name. Not one doctor, not one clinical professional could offer the slightest hint or direction to take. I now have a name. And clarity of mind.
I feel your pain. I'm sure it's hard for you knowing your sister may have been able to get help. Blessing to you and your family.
I hope she get better “)
@@essoumoh8007 Thank you.
That's pretty damn shocking that no one was able to give her condition a name-I'm pleased you have some clarity of mind now, I just hope things improve 👍
where are you living that they can't diagnose shizophrenia? Also you can be cathatonic without having shizophrenia.
Lord... I hope they dont feel pain or fear...that's all...I could ask for.
You have a good heart. :)
they do because theyre people who actually think more normal on the outside but can outwordly express it
Shantini Theressa I know! You can see their beautiful souls in there. Heartbreaking isn’t a big enough word. God bless them all.
I am really the only one here that can very clearly see they are in great pain and fear?
StartWithAnE No, of course you’re not! That’s why I said it’s beyond heartbreaking. To see their beautiful souls trapped in there... I just would like to think that it isn’t as bad as it looks. Call it self preservation.
I feel bad watching them like this. They seem to live a life completely separate from reality. Some part of their brains must be completely overstimulated.
Maybe they're just fine inside their mind, who is to say what is normal and what is not normal, he might be quite happy inside his own mind.
Some ppl end like this due to a very severe tragedy happened to their life that they can't handle i saw it by my own eyes they don't care abt anything anymore even themselves
It's because of the impaired neural network as well.
My mother is currently in the hospital suffering from catatonic schizoaffective disorder. She can't even sit up straight and is practically unconscious. She lost tons of weight and even had to be put on an IV. I worry she may never come out of it. I'm only 22 years old. She's 63. She's had bipolar disorder her whole life and has been in and out of hospitals, but has never been this bad until about 5 years ago. I watched her slowly deteriorate over the years and it's the most heartbreaking thing ever. Don't ever make fun of people with mental illnesses. It robs us of the people we love.
I am so sorry man:(wish you and your family well
I had an awesome Math teacher in middle school (married, mother of 3) that had catatonic schizophrenia; her condition evolved in a way she got to be retired. Her husband has been taking care of her and fortunately he's got a daughter who is a doctor as well, and helps out a lot. The best teacher I've ever had, by the way.
Dr. Heinz Lehman introduced psychopharmacological treatments such as thorazine to replace lobotomies, insulin coma, prolonged restraints and other barbaric practices. His work revolutionized psychiatric treatment and allowed thousands of patients to return to happy, productive lives. I was one of his patients late in his life. He was the most caring, intelligent and compassionate physician that I ever had the pleasure of knowing. R.I.P. sir!!
@bonker Breeens Do your research before making assertions that are incorrect. I never said that Lehman 'invented' any pharmaceuticals, but was one of the first to implement effective psychopharmacological treatments of patients, including chlorpromazine. You claim that there is a long list of antidepressant and antipsychotic drugs that were used before Lehman. Okay, WHAT WERE THEY? Name some of these drugs, their uses, and who employed them. Dr. Lehman was not involved with the MK Ultra Program. If you disagree, then please provide a verifiable reference supporting your claims. Otherwise, quit spouting nonsense. Your writing skills also need a lot of work, as your grammar and sentence construction is atrocious. Also, it's evident that your reading comprehension is poor, since you apparently didn't understand my post. No college, I'd guess!
You can just tell that they have so much going thru their heads constantly. They can hear absolutely everything you’re saying but so much is going on inside their head that they can’t do much else than listen. And drugs. So sad :(
yeah...because drugs are bad mkay -__-
2:44 kinda feels like he saw the thousands of people watching him through CZcams
Tokyo Sounds man you will burn in hell
Dalton Shaqiri it was just a 4th wall gets broken type beat I don’t understand
Maybe ..... but I doubt it!
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
🤣🤣🤣i know it's not funny, but it's funny
😂😂😂😂😂😂
I have schizophrenia and this happens sometimes. It kind of feels like I've been poisoned by dread when it happens and it becomes really hard to move. It's not total paralysis it just becomes extremely difficult to will myself to move or do anything to the point I've wasted tons of hours just sitting in a chair or laying in bed or standing over some half finished chore in a stupor. It's like my brain gets stuck processing these feelings and thoughts of horror and doom. I used to call them "doom attacks" and would have to take a zyprexa just so the feeling of terror would be numbed out. I'm using a few different words to describe the feeling on purpose and it's like an anxiety attack except in schizophrenics we respond to being overwhelmed with these feelings not usually with hyperactive behavior like hyperventilating but with freezing 🥶 up. Sometimes though it gets so bad we do respond with active impulsive or sort of manic behavior, or at least I do sometimes. Just a few days ago I had a breakdown where I started ranting to a family member for no immediate reason then the rant turned into a whole vocalized conversation had by myself to myself with multiple different perspectives arguing using my voice (this was told to me by that family member after) and then I just started laughing uncontrollably because nothing made sense anymore until it felt like my heart was going to stop. I had to leave and take a walk in the woods to sort of reaffirm my existence.
One major trigger for me is psychiatric abuse. I was threatened before being involuntarily hospitalized by people calling me crazy saying I should never reproduce and should be sterilized. In the hospital and in the community once I started talking to other mentally ill people I met a few survivors of and even saw plenty of examples of people being abused by medical professionals and members of society for being "crazy". I dated a schizophrenic woman who was forced to undergo a hysterectomy while in a hospital involuntarily. She would drink beer after beer and cry for hours every day while listening to some song called "medicine" on loop. How do you fix that kind of damage? You can't.
You can only call people who dont fit in crazy and abuse them to the point of being terrorized for so long before it becomes apparent that doing so is evil. The Nuremberg Code was created to stop this but most countries still ignore it especially my country the United States.
If you've ever listened to Bukowskis poem "People Are Not Good To Each Other", the way I see it, that's the problem. Some people are so abusive they'll just straight up break your mind to prove how superior they are to you then mistreat you for life like a beaten cripple and if you dare respond angrily, dangerously or violently you're the problem not them.
awe honey 💕💕🥺
Facts
Exactly. Thank you for this
Blah blah blah
I can't help but feel these men are not treated this well in the facilities in which they reside. I just hear a tone in the doctor's voice that tells me he is impatient with them when not being filmed. I also think that some of this behavior is a side effect of the meds they're on.
do you realize how OLD this b /w film is????
and the food they are eating,
It’s really hard to say how they were treated or if the meds affected them that way but catatonia is real and causes them to sit still like that all the time. Some don’t talk as well. It can also happen in depression. I don’t think they would be doing this educational video pretending that some drugged up patients were catatonic. What would be the point?
all these things are caused by diet and other lifestyle factors and probably the medications make it worse
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinz_Lehmann
"In 1947, he was appointed the Clinical Director of Montreal's Douglas Hospital. From 1971 to 1975, he was the Chair of the McGill University Department of Psychiatry.
From 1969 to 1972, he was one of the five members of the LeDain Commission, a royal commission appointed in Canada to study the non-medical use of drugs. He was an advocate for decriminalization of marijuana.
He was ahead of his time in that he supported research in the use of the active ingredient psilocybin to alleviate anxiety.
In 1973, he was a member of the Nomenclature Committee of the American Psychiatric Association that decided to drop homosexuality from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, i.e. to depathologize it.[1]
In 1976, he was made an Officer of the Order of Canada. In 1970, he was made a Fellow of the Royal Society of Canada. He was inducted into the Canadian Medical Hall of Fame in 1998."
Seems like a doctor genuinely trying to help people to me. He actually left Germany in 1937, most likely fleeing the nazi regime. He came to Canada to help people. Don't let Hollywood's idea of psychiatry fog up your mind.
Seeing their conditions is just.. heart breaking.. 😢
I think of all the undiagnosed & under treated patients during this era, that were just declared “insane” & treated like animals. I’m proud of how far we’ve come with medicine & I’m excited to see what the future holds. 🙌🏼
@COOCHIE-PUNCH 5000 you sound well informed sir
we have not gone far
@@kuebrastic1219 Indeed we have not. Best therapies we have are medication and conversation. Medication that masks the issues and conversations will not help when therapist does not engage with loving care.
@@Henuman That is so right..
@@kuebrastic1219 i was gonna say lol medicine for psychological issues have been proven to be no better than placebos🤣
My husband has severe bipolar and schizophrenia and he is so like these men. The VA psychiatrists say it’s because he’s so focused on his racing inner thoughts and voices, and my husband will also just blindly listen to commands (like sit down, stand up), and also do the stuff with the hands where you move it and he’ll just keep it there. He has to take many meds such as Lithium and Halodol, to name a couple.
You're a fighter and he's fighting too. Well done.
The dude in the middle looks like he's just trying to figure everything out. Has no clue about anything whatsoever... or does he?
Anyway, I feel for people who had it this bad.
It's not that they don't understand what's going on, it's that they don't know what is the normal behavioural response.
I find him oddly attractive.
@@Iceis_Phoenix well, you are not alone
The dude is cool as fuck. To the point its hard to believe he's sick.
I'm not sure. What to say
I pray that these beautiful souls Rest In Peace ♥️😔
I PRAY FOR YOUR STUPIDITY
@@Isa_Maria79 ...what?
You know what?
I think these people must be in peace in this life and not at the end of their life...
I’m happy mental health has made the advancements it has , but leaps and bounds there’s so much more to learn. I have the highest regards for those committed to helping these people. It could have been you or me this way....
Max Larsen what in God’s name are you saying?? Cause I most certainly have not ever come on to you. ... speaking of delusional
speaking of delusional? i think your in the same boat by referring god in your sentence, although i do not have a clue what he meant by that comment so id say hes tripping.
pescod96 thanks for weighing in on that...🤨
IndustrialBaking Complex ITS A DEAL 🤝
IndustrialBaking Complex you have a history, history of being annoying. How’s that for “random stuff.” Are we having fun darling?
I work with people with mental health conditions and disabilities for a living. I’ve known many people who live a life like this, They are all wonderful and beautiful people who deserve love and empathy. I am very happy to be a part of modern medicine and be able to help them to the best of my ability. I want to send love for these 3 men out into the universe. no one asks for a life like this.
Mi hermano mayor fue diagnosticado con esa misma enfermedad desde que tenia 24 años. Fue un paciente equisofrenico catatonico hasta que murio a la edad de 83 años. Recibio un intenso tratamiento de schocks electricos a lo largo de su vida y pienso que eso empeoro su enfermedad. Su comportamiento era igual a los tres hombres que muestran en este video, siempre encerrado en si mismo. Mi madre sufrio mucho por ese hijo y antes de ella partir de este mundo nos pidio que velaramos por el, deseo que cumplimos hasta el final. Disculpen si escribo en mi idioma pues aunque entiendo el ingles me expreso mejor en español. Espero que entiendan algo.
Qué triste por tu hermano. :( Toda una vida así ... Doloroso para él y para uds.
Back in those days autism was commonly misdiagnosed as schizophrenia because schizophrenia was kind of an umbrella term to describe both a disturbed mind and social difficulties. Many patients were institutionalized from years of neglect and being locked up in hospitals, where many would stay for the rest of their lives. Being in hospital 5-15 years would affect even the soundest of minds.
Alice Kirbyson I was a support worker for many years and worked with adults with severe learning difficulties, including Autism and my first thought was that they’ve been misdiagnosed. To me they’re displaying many traits of autism. As you say, back then autism wasn’t recognised and so they would have been misdiagnosed. Before anybody says anything the autism spectrum is massive, from non verbal, unresponsive, to fully functioning and able to converse. It’s sad they were subjected to this bullshit.
My first thought was autism
Not true. There was no autism. Autism was made up to diagnose spoiled children behavior (which not surprisingly has no clinical definition) for social and cultural purposes, such as to protect parents from being sued by their children, also to spare child protective services from having to be involved in every spoiled child case. Which is why autism only exists in developed countries where there is a developed rule of law. In other words, autism is just another hoax. Imagine you spoil your child and he starts to behave badly, you take him to the doctor, what do you think he's going to say? "Oh you spoiled him, go home". No way, he'll tell you it's autism.
Alice Kirbyson especially after the abuse through childhood and adulthood because parents and doctors had no idea what they were doing
Max S. Lmao so all “autistic” children are victims of being spoiled? Get the fuck outta here..
I'm schizophrenic but I don't have it this bad,I'm still in school, I work I have friends I like to cook play sports ect.lifr can be normal with proper treatment there are a few forms of the disorder
I hope you live a blessed life and keep on rocking. :)
What advise would you give to a person who dosnt have that. How to react or what to say ot not. With all respect
So can u say that having things 2 do like sports, TV, any type of hobby is a great thing 4 this sickness??
C Triumbari lies
You must be schizophrenic making an unrealistic comment like this.
Bless these poor souls. My grandmother had this condition on her really bad day's she would just rock backwards and forwards. She was heavily medicated and the good day's I could have great conversations with her. She was a very heavy smoker and it was cancer that took her in the end. She had schizophrenia most of her life since late 20s, 30s. She lived till 78 and I'll always remember her forever. She was a very loving and caring grandma, but sometimes it was difficult. God rest her soul.
7:17 the kid in class getting scolded for saying a raunchy joke
7:29 the kid still trying to figure out the joke
7:41 the kid trying not to explode with laughter
LMAO
brilliant
Hahahaha
8:15 the kid thinks he get it but just confuses himself further
Omg... Lmfao at the joke telling that u wrote. I totally saw it too..
The background noises are disturbing!
What background noises?
@@youmakemehappy7
You can hear it clearly! unless you don't use headphones or the volume is too low.
Sara Ferguson 5:24
@@youmakemehappy7 I thought I could hear the voices in their minds
Exactly what I was thinking..... reminds me of the people's temple background noises, creepy!!!
I don't think the doctor is crazy at all he is doing his job and this is how he works with them
I think he is clueless not crazy. Surely these people could use help, but he is here for research and experimentation, not charity. The entire video has no context, and even today our psychiatric knowledge is virtually nil. Just a bunch of guesses that undergrads could come up with.
David Johnson shut up
@@davidjohnson8655 you cannot say clueless when it is clearly in an era what this was a phenomenon. To us mostly, this is a common situation for hospitals to deal with. Typically after the war medical knowledge was improving however there is always something new that hadn't been discovered, this being an example. I personally believe that he could be doing the best he possibly could with the knowledge and technology he had.
@@Ellamarss Cluless wasn't really an insult in his comment. Essentially, that's what he was. This is such a rare thing to happen that he really didn't know what to do.
if front of a camera.
From the way he talks you can instantly tell he's a master. He knows when to push and when to not.
These people know what is going on they just can't reaspond normally
Suspect Alien exactly
They probably weren't given the chance to learn necessary social skills, all they need is time and practice to learn
@@MetroGuardian 1000 years of psychiatric knowledge demolished by this one comment
@@MetroGuardian please educate yourself and don't devalue the devastating affects of this condition. It is more serious than you think. This isn't autism.
There's too much going on in there own minds to give an answer, or even remember the style of the question itself.. They will be confused
This psychiatrist is one of the few the demonstrates compassion, empathy and patience
It's insane how much people project their conspiracy theories in these old videos without having no knowledge whatsoever.
and you have your own theories yourself...
Times haven't changed
I was thinking EXACTLY the same thing reading through them. These same people will then go around saying "everyone is an individual, all people use different treatments" but anything 1930s-1950s is automatically "bad" always, without exception. Over generalization.
@David Mitnick at least back in those days they worked hard constantly to further the medical field, the reason this film exists was because they were making the effort to understand catatonic states, the 40s and 50s made great medical discoveries compared to the 2010s.
But yeah, if anything, we have socially and culturally devolved and youth is running around with loss of identity, and either spiting or poorly imitating those who do.
It's neither insane nor conspiracy theory. Just a thing humans do, we do love a good narrative and above all making sense out of chaos.
I hope this doctor treated them well when the camera wasn't rolling :(
Exactly
He’s a highly respected and been acknowledged to be ahead of his time in patient care, when it comes to mental illness
This makes me feel sad for those men, and those who suffer with it now. I hope that there is a way for all people with Catatonic Schizophrenic to find the help that they need.
These poor bloody souls.....in the next life you shall live like kings !!
What makes u so certain about that? You don't know
OPEN YOUR MIND,YOU ARE SO MISFORTUNED...GOD BLESS YOU
Yep
These videos have helped me so much in my sociology paperes, comparing past and present treatments and diagnosis. Thank you! Ive gotten 3 A's so far!
Amy Hartis Look at you, Sigmund Freud!
@@jviramontes13 hahhaha
Great. Sadly this isnt about you its about the patients. 😁
I am sure you can improve that grade, 3 is fine but 6 would be better
That's awesome! Congratulations 😊
Guy in the middle is the "outgoing one" lol
Oh my goodness, my mom's childhood friend had exactly the same sysmptoms of this condition, he was a teacher by profession, highly intelligent man then he just got really bad, he would stand for hours in heavy rainstorms, he'd never move.
"How are you? How are you? Don't you feel like talking?" Is going to be in my head forever or at least a sample in some EDM song
Yea that would be creepy and everything but I'm tired of EDM artist romantasizing shit like that for people tripping balls like thats kinda fucked up bro
ZepTepi yea
doctor: have you had your lunch?
me : yes
doctor: what was it?
me: breakfast
وحشه
@@bara3858 ليش؟؟؟
واو حسبالي وحيدة هنا
😂😂😂😂😂
This film is from 1951, for those that were wondering.
they seem cool, i'd hang out with them
bet they'd speak for the first time in months in order to say, "sorry, Ryan, I have other plans" - even a catatonic has his limits ferchirssakes!
Marcel Audubon haha
Marcel Audubon Very good. 😊
Same
@@Marcel_Audubon you just summed up people with that sentance LOL
they dont like eye contact at all
look up "catatonia".
watchgoose my uncle has this..i don't need to look up i just said that as a fact.
Eye contacted is overrated ;)
i dont like eye contact too :) i feel its just for animals
Is that where this was filmed. I know that's a region in Spain.
Thank you for talking to them like human beings. Hopefully this isn't from shock treatments that were very prevalent at this time . I always feel torn about things like this... I'm happy to have the information but I also pray that these patients were treated with dignity and respect.
Lovely thoughts and feelings!
Prayers are So poweful!
Peace!
shock therapee is very effective and still widely used today (approved by FDA)..It usually consists of giving the participant a shock that induces a miny seizure.....Its almost strictly used on people with Extreme Mania or depression and is proven to give temporary relief from symptoms for upwards of 5 days.....People seem to think it is this barbaric act of forcing people into chairs and torturing them, although that did happen in some cases most of the time it was used responsibly and even at the request of the patient
I would expect that at some point in their early childhood, each of these people were absolutely terrified, possibly on a daily basis, felt in acute and chronic danger and have been traumatised ever since. May their next life be a peaceful and pleasant one, nourished by loving family and friends.
I think that it can happen to us all, even if we have not had some sort of traumatic episode.
Being human is traumatic enough.
That’s terrible, more recent patients under proper treatment tell about how they have several voices in their head just talking at the same time. It’s hard for them to focus when they have demonic voices talking nonsense.
brenda: yea. But you would be surprised. Some people who hear voices can function normaly> I know a guy who seemed pretty normal, perhaps a tad eccentric but not too weird, and when I learned that he attends a support group for people who hear voices, well, I was rather surprised.
This is true and I hope the " demonic voices " referred about are not literal. I can tell you, these people are not possessed. This is not the middle ages. Genetics and Chemical imbalances in the brain are altered but the true cause is still unknown, however it is a fact that Schizophrenia is a physical brain disorder. I hope for a cure for people suffering. What a horrible disease for those affected and their families and loved ones who love them.
@@VickyGoss unfortunately illnesses like these can open your brain up to abuse by them
@@Mureirsa They are more likely to be abused than to abuse others.
My mother used to hear voices and see things. It was pretty scary for her, but medication helped. It took a lot of trials of different meds before they found the right one, though.
Amazing audio considering this was filmed a long time ago
Валентин Valentin amazing audio? No one is saying anything. ???
@@absolutelydisgusted3319 wrong, the “doctor” asked questions and speaks.
Or you watched this muted?
Moron
After 15 years in a 60-70's Mental Institution everybody would be the same I suppose...
Since they've closed down all of the state run mental institutions people like this are living on the streets today. These films are from the 50's, but we need to have those mental institutions opened back up again. The Parkland shooter would have probably been in one of these institutions had one been available instead of out on the streets shooting children.
You think some of them might be faking it? Just saying. Some of this is normal for the average white. They got a lot of mental issues. Its not normal being white and it shows. And no im not black or white so you can save it. Truth hurts. Grab a kleenex
The one in the middle could be up to something... he's checked out but as soon as that camera or attention 's on him he turns it back on
Look a lot alike
S p a g e t t You should've grabbed that Kleenex I told you about
I know a man who has this he's about 38 years old now he got hit on the head and the left side of his brain shrunk then symptoms of phycosis started then gradually turned into catatonic schizophrenia on injections they used he came back really quite normal could talk and he could write made me cry I was so happy they found something that actually worked