The Top 5 Most Obscure 2000 Yard Quarterbacks In The 1970s
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- Vintage 1970's NFL game footage of Quarterbacks who came out of nowhere to succeed are featured in brilliant color and clarity. Terrific music from the era sends you back in time. Enjoy this highly entertaining video!
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I LOVE THE BACKGROUND MUSIC !!!!!
Thanks, Bill. I try to get music that fits. Thank you for watching and commenting.
@@markgardner9460 Actually I was wondering about that. It sounds like Jazz Fusion, which was GREAT in the 70s.
Your videos are amazing, please continue to make them, thank you!
Thank you very much - I really appreciate your kind comments! I'll do my best.
I like modern football and all but my heart is always in the 70's. It was hard hitting real football with more emphasis on running backs but you could throw it too.
Just when they changed the rules where you couldn't touch the wide receiver at all down field it changes the whole paradigm of the way it's played. I think after the 77' season. It took a couple years but you can definitely see the difference in stats from that point onward. Guys like Roger Staubach, FranTarkington, and Terry Bradshaw, all had career stats yaers in their final season's after the change.
You're exactly right, Mike.
Of course my heart is with '70's football, too, obviously.
@@markgardner9460 yeah, I enjoy your videos. Please keep them up. I was a kid in the 70's but started following around 76'. Browns and Lions fan.
Thanks, Mike! I loved the Browns in the '70's.............mainly because of Greg Pruitt!!!
@markgardner9460 my favorite too. In fact, both Pruitts and Brian Sipe at qb, with a trio of receivers in Newsome, Rucker, and Logan. And Calvin Hill just to add to a great offense. Too bad their defense couldn't stop anyone. They were certainly entertaining from late 70's to early 80's. Just couldn't ever beat the Steelers.
Clay Mathews from those Browns teams was actually the son of a NFL player with the same name, so he was actually a junior. Clay Mathews of the Packers is actually Clay Mathews III.
Wesley Walker, one of my favorite receivers in the 80s. Underrated deep threat!
I think that he, along with Stanley Morgan, belong in the Hall of Fame. Their numbers were terrific THEN, but NOW they pale in comparison to the numbers being put up.
Henry Ellard had more yards than Wesley Walker and Lynn Swann combined, plus he was an elite punt returner early in his career. Ellard gets no respect.
@@ckobo84Ellard gets respect from me, definitely
Excellent highlight reel. Pisarcik is the only one I remember. Being an Eagles fan the Miracle at the Meadowlands is legendary. My dad took me to a Giants/Eagles game at the Vet in 1977. It was a cold December day. I remember seeing Csonka but he didn’t do too much. He still carried the ball like rhinoceros though lol. Oddly enough Pisarcik played for the Eagles from 1980-84 as a backup for Jaworski.
It's strange that the Giants paid Csonka so much money to basically be a blocking and short yardage running back.
Great comment about Joe playing for the Eagles!
@@markgardner9460 They were probably trying to fill seats. Csonka was banged up by then but he was still Csonka.
Giants fans never called it a Miracle. It was The Fumble that changes a franchise.
@@danschneider7531 it changed them for the better
@@surfshack2 It did, and it ended up being more important than The Fumble the Browns made a decade later.
Good stuff. Thanks. I watched every game I could on the rabbit ears
Our house didn't get a color tv until I was 10, so I only knew the teams' uniform colors from my football cards before then.
I’m a huge Giants fan and I was playing a small gig where Joe Pisarcik was there. Someone asked me if I wanted to say hello and my reaction was “Nahhhh I’m good”.
I gotta kick outta that one!
Rude
The Guy made it to the NFL! I bet he went further than you did with music 🎶. Mad Dog 🐕
Thank you!
Like a Cowboys Cheerleader, so well put together! 😎👏
Right on! Thanks!!
I really enjoyed this video learning about obscure QBs!!
I think it shows that even back-up and patchwork QB's can be effective when given the chance...at least it was the case with these chaps.
Great video as usual
Thank you - I really appreciate that. Thanks for watching.
Excellent video, great work my friend 😊.
Thank you - I really appreciate that! Thanks for watching and commenting.
I liked that 78' Green Bay team. Terdal Middleton was a 1000' yard rusher.( his only good season ). Maybe you did a 70's obscure running back's video. He has to be on it. They also had a good fullback. An old school good blocker and ran for about 600 yards. Barty Smith I think.
Yes, I have that video in my Playlist and Middleton is featured. You're right, that 6'3" 240 pound bruising running back is Barty Smith. He was a 1st round draft pick in '74. I think they wanted him to be the second coming of Jim Taylor, but times had changed and the Packers offensive line bore no resemblance to the Packers great teams of the '60's. Thanks, Mike!
ANother great and interesting compilation, man oh man, those qb's took some punishment back in the old days.
Yeah, they got walloped on a regular basis. The double whammys from getting hit by a defender, then the hard articial surface cut short some careers.
@@markgardner9460 - surprised when the Bills had Shaw and some fine receivers then and OJ how that coach couldnt figure out what he truly had and set loose the Juice and the passing game. I thought shaw was pretty good but i liked Ferguson later also.
I really liked Joe Ferguson, too. He wasn't quite at a Pro Bowl level, but right below it, in my opinion.
@@markgardner9460 - he was tough as nails for a littler guy, i seen him take some brutal hits but he'd get back up and go another round.
He played with a lot of guts in that Chargers play-off game.
My gosh! Great video!!
Thanks!! Any type of video that you'd like to see in the future?
Anything late 70's Chargers with Don C. Or anything 70's with Ted Marchabroda and the Colts and I'll be glued to it!@@markgardner9460
Wasn't Ted a QB with Pitt in the late '50's?
Yes Sir,, and I love that Bill Belichick started with Ted as a coffee runner to being such a great coach. That story is properly told is great inspiration for us all.@@markgardner9460
Eric Mangini has a similar background.
Keep up the good work on creating these interesting videos!
Thank you, Chris - I will. I'm always trying to come up with something interesting and hopefully unique.
Great clips! All of them looked strong-armed. Even Buffalo's Shaw, who wasn't that big, was a sharp passer.
Throwing passes in Shea Stadium...a strong arm was essential due to the potentially strong, swirling winds that were somewhat commonplace.
"Real Good"Compilation"...with "great additional"information" .. "The "soundtrack" never fails to get ..some "head bobbing"!!
I'm glad that you enjoyed the video - something a little bit different this one. The '70's had a wiiiiiide range of music, didn't it? I like it.
@@markgardner9460
"Myself" being a " Boomer".."I definitely concur"!!
@@markgardner946060s and 70s had great music!
Piscarcik may be remembered by many due to "The Fumble" but the rest I don't think many people know they even existed.
I can almost hear your voice narrating during footage of Buffalo's #32 running through Denver's defense, "here's OJ Simpson running away from some white Broncos."
15:15: The guy trying to block Harvey Martin was a classic example of a "Look Out" blocker. He yells "Look Out" to the quarterback after the pass rusher undresses him in front of thousands of spectator.
That's right! By the time the QB hears it, it's too late because guys like Harvey Martin could really motor,
Harvey put a swim move on him,and that was that!
You're right - he went swimmin'. There was a time when I thought that he was unblockable on passing downs.
@@markgardner9460 You didn't want to be in 3rd and long against Dallas with Martin,Too Tall, Randy White....etc etc!
Throw a screen pass. You probably won't get the first down, but you will save your QB's life.
Love the old paint on the field. Especially the endzones in Buffalo. Very cool
I'm glad that you brought that up! It's surprising that with all of the flash of today's NFL that they do nothing in terms of end zone color/splash. In Oakland, they used to have diamonds around the yard numbers on the field. That stuff was cool.
@@markgardner9460Denver had a unique end zone,Kansas City did the red end zone....
Did San Diego have a cool end zone, too? Miami had the big pool with Flipper and Flipper II at the back of one of the end zones.
I see a possible video topic in your future!! @@markgardner9460
Indeed!!
That San Diego state team had some future greats on the coaching staff
Carl Weathers was on that '69 squad. Apollo Creed.
Brian Sipe, a former Aztec QB, threw for over 3700 yards in 1979.
...and then over 4,100 yards the next year
I think John Madden was with the Aztecs when Coryell was there.
Yes. He was the Defensive Coordinator while Coryell was there.
Bob Avellini is another candidate for the list '77 2004 yards 11 tds 18 ints Great video!
Yes, I strongly considered him, but then thought that since he was a Bears QB for 9 years, he was probably too recognizable. Thanks for bringing him up!
James Harris Los Angeles Rams and Bob Berry Atlanta Falcons
I hope im not the only one who really likes those old New York Jets uniforms from the 70s & 80s.
I dig 'em!!!
I like that Giants jersey better than the one they use today!😊😊😊
It's sharp - grabs my attention. I like the large GIANTS on the helmet, too. I'm probably in the minority there, but the small "ny" is just too small for me
@@markgardner9460Maybe I'm a fuddy duddy but I definitely prefer the NY as opposed to the GIANTS on the helmets.
I would have thought that they could have come up with something better than both of them after all these years.
I remember the Giants NY emblem as a youngster and it stuck with me,I considered it iconic...but not everyone does..
I actually prefer the one year NY that looked like a utility company logo, but I know that I'm in the minority on that one.
That guy from KC that always look for the camera, only cheered by himself. Every time I saw him, fans ignored him
I love this subject! Great one Mark. You could write a thesis on this one!
As you know, throwing for 2,000 yards (especially prior to 1978) used to be something of a major accomplishment because it meant that the QB was able to stay healthy long enough to dial up that total. QB's used to drop like flies back in the '70's. I think that this was a fun subject and I'm really glad that you enjoyed it!
Great points to make and important ones too that describe the true fabric of the game that has been undermined since the 1970s. The QBs back then didn't feel so impervious to contact every time they dropped back. Plus, there was the more palatable 14 game schedule, which cut down the numbers.
That's right. Also, when a game was out of reach, either way, Head Coaches would pull their starting QB in order to protect them and give the back-up some reps which made complete sense.
@@markgardner9460Now,too much money is incentive laden, and players want to pad their stats!
That is true. Again, thank you for adding to my vintage viewing of the real game of football and getting my fix this time of year!
Nice Sonny Jurgensen jersey
Thank you - he's one of my favorite QB's of all-time.
@@markgardner9460Yep mine as well...not pretty or flashy just damn good!
Sam “ you’re not in Cleveland. This is a Cincinnati and the next time you see somebody throw a snowball point them out to security.” Greatest, impromptu rant, I’ve ever seen in my life on the field. That was epic and a mic drop moment.
I was shocked when he said that, but it was the right thing to do, in my opinion. Hats off to a real good guy!!
I am old enough to remember most of these guys. 2K yards was great back then.
Yes it was. The key to having any chance of getting to 2,000 yards was staying healthy...which wasn't easy to do back then.
Love the good old football
I had forgotten that it was Matt Ryan and not Richard Todd who fed those deep balls to Walker during his great 1978 season 👍
Yeah, Matt Robinson. Thanks for watching, Paul. I'm glad that you enjoyed the video.
Refreshing
Thank you - I'm glad that you liked it!
I remember reading a story in which Joe Pisarcik said during training camp he went to a local bar and ran into Giants legendary quarterback YA Tittle. Joe said, he learned more about how to play quarterback in a 30 minute conversation he had with YA at the bar that evening, then he did from any coach on the Giants coaching staff for an entire season. That's how bad the John McVay staff was.
That's great stuff - I love reading about these kind of stories. Thanks for providing!
Best part of that team was the emergence of the Crunch Bunch (Van Pelt, Carson, Kelley). Sadly Troy Archer would be killed in a motor vehicle accident before the start of the next season. And Doug Kotar would pass from cancer a few years later.
@@johnm8096 Yes, Troy Archer was destined to be a very good defensive lineman. He would have been 31 years old in 1986, so there would have been a good chance that he would have been on the defensive line on that Super Bowl winning team. Doug Kotar's story was very sad.
Like your Sonny Jurgensen throwback jersey he was one of my favorites, totally underrated as well
Thank you! I've stated it quite a few times, but I consider him the be the best pure passer of all-time.
He's in the Hof. Not underrated
No one talks about Sonny…
@@hovertrout1 because it's old news
Nov. 19, 1978 will also be known for the Jonestown Massacre. The NFL Today showed footage of the "Miracle", and then went to a special report of the massacre from CBS News.
Wow. I had forgotten the exact day that the Jonestown Massacre occurred. Thank you for bringing that up.
I had forgotten myself...
The 60s and 70s were my favorite eras, but of these "obscure" QBs I only remember Livingston and Shaw -- so your title is certainly apt!! As you point out, Shaw took a beating, but his stats were not too bad considering how poor the team was overall. Livingston had a much longer career, and would probably be considered a solid back-up QB. Regarding Livingston's shocking presence on the 69 AFL pro bowl team, I noticed that there were 6 QBs picked, with Lamonica and Namath the obvious starters, along with Dawson and Kemp. Livingston must have gotten in as insurance in case a Western team star got injured; Mike Taliaferro likewise for the Eastern team. Just a guess though. Keep coming with all these great videos!
Thank you! I appreciate your fine comments.
Hi Marc, funny we’re twins today as I am wearing the white road version of the Jurgensen jersey you’re wearing in the video
Now I'm gonna have to go out and get an Eagles jersey for Sonny. Time to make more room in the closet.
At Georgia, Robinson played only on 3rd downs. Ray Goff played QB on 1st and 2nd downs. 😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😮😅
Is that right? That's crazy! Thank you for providing that info!!
Nice info!
@@markgardner9460 The reason that Goff played only 1st and 2nd because he was option QB that ran the option. When it became 3rd down and they had to pass, Robinson came because Goff was lousy throwing the ball.
Dennis Shaw might be the only Bills QB more obscure than Gary Marangi.
Thanksgiving '76: my only recollection of Marangi
Crazy George went wherever. I saw him with the Chiefs, Oilers, Saints, the Denver Gold of the USFL, California Golden Seals, Colorado Rockies of the NHL among other teams.
I never knew that he was with the Saints or the USFL - he really got around. Thanks!
@@markgardner9460I read that the Vikings once said he was creating a ruckus that got the crowd going and made it hard for their players to hear the play calls. Then eventually he worked for the Vikings. LOL
Inside that dome, it could get really loud. Smart move by the Vikes.
He worked college football games too
Cool list. Dennis Shaw!!! Can you the other qb for buffalo that season?
James Harris
I believe it was James Harris
@@markgardner9460 You are correct boyo! One of the most underrated disrespected qbs of all time.
Very good arm - extremely strong and difficult to sack and tackle - fine runner, too!
Harris and many other African American quarterbacks were definitely disrespected in that era! A lot of folks didn't think that they were capable of being a great quarterback....times have changed...
Mike Livingston went from being a 2,000 yard passer to having to run the horrific Wing T offense for the Chiefs in 1978.
The Wing T performed admirably. The Chiefs were second in rushing attempts, second in yards (almost 3,000), and second in average yards per carry (4.5). The problem was that it didn't transfer into points, as the Chiefs were third to last in points scored.
16:52 Whitehurst was so spooked by the Oakland pass rush that he thought he was back in college running the option. What a weird mistake. Matuszak taunts him at the end, something that would be a penalty today.
What's the band playing from about 15 minutes on?
D.J. Williams. The song is James River. Great band!
IDK about Livingston. He kept the Chiefs on track in 1969 while Dawson was recuperating and played well in relief for Len Dawson from 1970-73. When he finally got the job for good in 1975, he was already 29 and his legs were worn out. He really should have gotten it around 1972-73 but Stram refused to make the change, feeling he owed Dawson something.
Thank you for providing your opinion - I appreciate it. I agree that Stram should have made the change a few years earlier. One of the reasons that I listed Livingston is that even though he had a 12 year career, he wasn't really a household name and he didn't even pass for 12,000 yards. Thanks again!
Remember seeing Crazy George at Dallas Tornado games around 1974-76. NASL-soccer.
Whitehurst I guessed. Matuzak said "who you lateraling to?"
oh wow! I got the chance to spend time training in soccer with George Ley who played for Dallas back then!
Whitehurst had a momentary lapse in reasoning on that pitch play that wasn't called in the huddle. So George started out doing soccer games - interesting - thanks for providing!
Remember Kenny Cooper? Goaltender Kenny Cooopa (English accent)
Crazy George was also a fixture at BC Lions football games for many years.
I didn't know that. He really made the rounds!
Almost as omnipresent as Rocken Rollen Stewart. Rainbow Man/John 3:16 guy. Remember him?
Matt Robinson was the only one I guessed. Shaw was before my time. I remember thinking Lynn Dickey, but he wasn’t really obscure I suppose. Whitehurst certainly was. I even kicked the tires on former Lion Jeff Komlo in 1979. I was surprised how smooth Pisarcik looked dropping back and firing a few darts. I remembered him as being kind of a bottom of the barrel type. Very interesting topic and nicely done Mr. Gardner,
Yes, great vid. I remember there was a hot moment when Pisarcik looked less than a complete fiasco...
Then, the Miracle...and, he was a ghost thereafter. Cheers
@evanmeier Komlo was a guy who just missed the cut, although he could have easily made the list, too. Jersey Joe had a live arm and I was impressed with the accuracy of Matt Robinson's deep ball. Thank you for the kind comments.
@9Hammers Giants drafted Simms in '79 and that was that for Smokeless Joe.
I thought possibly Shaw but you stumped me on the rest!
Do you remember the ESPN game show from around 1993 entitled Stump The Chump?
It was a different era back then. Wow! None the quarterbacks were who I thought were going to be on this list and I got to admit I pretty much forgot about all of the one's on the list. The Giants was easy to forget as they were the joke of the 70's. Poor Lynn Dickey, he suffered a season ending hip injury and 72 and the Oilers got rid of him due to him taking almost a second longer to set up in the pocket than Pastorini. Who would have guessed his career would end up being longer. I really thought that Dickey was going to be one of the five, but wow was I wrong! I thought it was going to be Dickey, Grogan and Bert Jones etc...
The Giants really had a QB carousel in the early '70's with Tarkenton, Snead and Morton, but they finally got it right when they selected Phil Simms in '79.
Crazy George was also a mascot for the California Golden Seals in the 70s
One of Charlie O. Finley's professional teams. Another green and gold uniform.
And White Skates
Matt Robinson went to North Springs high. I knew one of his linemen. Tim Watts. Anytime I have an excuse for mentioning a lineman I do. God bless their service. Also, since you wore Sonny's jersey, I will re-tell a story I have already told you. I passed by Billy Kilmer in a restaurant in 1987? and "Recognized" him as "Sonny Jurgensen". He did not find it funny but his buddies did. Both obviously linemen by their size.
Other obscure 2000 yard QBs of the 1970s:
1979 Lions Jeff Komlo (rookie)
1977 Bears Bob Avellini
1973 Broncos Charley Johnson
1970 Bears Jack Concannon
1972 Falcons Bob Berry
Thank you - yes, Jeff Komlo was #6 on my list, so he just missed the cut. I didn't think that the others were too obscure enough due to their NFL tenure (9 years for Avellini, 10 for Concannon, 11 for Berry and 15 for Johnson), even though they're not exactly household names. Thanks for watching and commenting!
i think ted stepien who owned the cleveland " cadavers " for a few years ....... had crazy george slam full beer cans on his head at halftimne at their NBA home games
Wow. That explains some of his craziness! Thanks for supplying the info.
Dennis Shaw was a big deal in Buffalo for a season. I recall kids oohing over his football card in the school parking lot.
He just regressed after that fine rookie season. Maybe it was all of the sacks that he received during his rookie year.
Denver made a big trade for Matt Robinson thinking that he was the next coming
DUMBEST TRADE IN BRONCOS HISTORY!!!
1980 1st & 2nd round picks + QB Craig Penrose
Then they went back to old man Morton anyway
Joe P's Giants coach John McVay may have left in disgrace, but the family name was redeemed over 40 years later when grandson Sean McVay won the Super Bowl with the Rams
It's Sean's 38th birthday today!
Thank you for bringing up the family connection!
@davidhickey you forgot that John McVay would win five Super Bowls as an executive with the 49ers.
I recall the Jets losing by a point(missed xtra point) the same day of the giants fumble
The Jets lost to the Patriots 19 to 17. David Posey kicked a short field goal late in the game for the final scoring.
In the director's cut portion-How many are at the Jets vs. Browns game?
That 80,000 seat stadium could look quite empty if the Browns were out of the hunt or if it was a bad weather game. Things looked even worse during many Indians games.
The Directors cut has been a nice addition to your videos...
Thanks, Steven. I want to add some new things, but haven't decided on what the creative additions are as of yet. I guess I'll play it by ear.
💜👍
Thanks, Scott!
Jersey Joe Pistachios kwas actually called Paterson Plank Joe!
Joe Pisarcik .... not a name you think about when you think about quarterbacks.
That's right...and the name doesn't exactly roll off the tongue either.
David WhiteHearst was actually not too shabby. I watched that season unfold.
is he the father of charlie whitehurst?
Yes I do believe so!@@jaysantos11
The Pack started hot at 7 & 2, then faltered down the stretch to finish at 8-7-1 and tied with the Vikings. MN went to the playoffs based upon the tiebreaker system.
I remember Joey P for more tham the idiotic call and fumble - aligned with no safety in the backfield - he got torched by NY media (surprise right). I remember that leaky Giants O-line and JP taking a pounding like a rag doll. Speaking of idiot calls!-running injured Todd up the middle. Robinson ultimately look good in his stead. Denver thought so...a couple first rounders so. He had size, arm strength, o.k. touch and a hirsute visage, incredible mustache. Unfortunately that's all he had. Bronco sighting Moses, (my former neighbor & Buff) Brunson and Briscoe. The Pack had Starr at HC, two bruising backs in Brockington and Lane, HOF receiver Lofton and a big strong arm qb - Whitehurst. Problem was they stunk - Starr, great player- bad coach. Thanks again for the excellent memory walk w/'70s qb's, enjoyed it. You're appreciated. -bd
Larry Bruson was a former neighbor of yours? Cool. Robinson thought Namath looked cool in NY with that type of mustache, so he took at as his own, too. It never really caught on in the NFL though. Starr was not only a bad Head Coach, but a bad General Manager, too. From '75-'80, he was the Packers Head Coach and General Manager. Great player and great guy though.
Question: who's your favorite Denver defensive back?
@@markgardner9460 Larry Brunson lived next to me in Mission Viejo (south east Denver) with his wife in 1977-78. I blue my ankle out playing basketball with him in '77. What sucked is I had expensive tickets to Red Rocks. I hobbled to the show on crutches, what an adventure! Funny my date that night never went out with me again. Steve Atwater, Dennis Smith, Billy Thompson-safties & big hitters...Louis Wright, Champ Baily and geesh their corner in 1997-98,....uh, uh, see what old age does! Steve Foley - CBs. (In order) shouts and propers - Chris Harris, Aqib Talib - CBs.Thanks brother.
I think Louis Wright deserves HOF consideration. Bernard Jackson was good - he came over from the Bengals.
@@markgardner9460 Wright who in his 70's coaches football at Gateway HS, Aurora Co. (Den. eastern burb). He definitely deserves HOF.
@@markgardner9460 OH my brain finally called up my third corner - Ray Crockett the diminutive hard hitter. Crockett played at Detroit I believe.
Suggestion: An All Cheerleader Director's Cut.
Now that's a great idea! Thanks.
@@markgardner9460 It'll be G rated, and there'll be no dudes. 😀
No dudes allowed.
Larry Csonka in a NY Giants jersey is almost as sad as Johnny Unitas in a SD Chargers uniform. Like Pete Rose in an Expos jersey, Bobby Hull and Gordie Howe in WHA jerseys. Just not right.
Gordie Howe's first year with the Aeros in the '73-'74 season: WHA champions and he scored an even 100 points.....at age 45.
IDK, in '75 Csonka bolted to the WFL with Kiick and Warfield, earning a cool $1.4 million, a fortune in the '70s. It's not quite like the way the Colts shipped Johnny U off to San DIego or the way the Saints traded Archie Manning to the Oilers for some circus peanuts and a box of lint.
Those peanuts and lint were Tackle Leon Gray who refused to sign a contract with the Saints and didn't start a game in two years in New Orleans. Amazing.
As a Viking fan,Alan Page didn't look right in a Bears uniform!
...and wearing #82 no less!!!
Pisarchuk had an arm ...
Good ole Don. He's a legend man. San Diego can or should thank Tampa for freeing him up from St. Louis
17:04 what do you think Matuszak was saying to Whitehurst?
It probably wasn't G rated!
@@stevenzimmerman4057 lol.
"I'm going to send you a get well card"
3,000 yards passing in 70's was a big deal . Now it would get you benched
That's right and if a QB doesn't throw for at least 300 yards and 2 touchdowns in a game, his fantasy football owner is looking elsewhere for a starting QB.
Another good one my friend. I feel sorry for some of these guys. Shaw was very talented...but never had much of a surrounding cast during his time in Buffalo and took a beating ! Lynn Dickey had it not been for injury I think would have been a star...and he played for some shitty teams too. Pisarcik ( even though he didn't call the play ) is basically almost the Giants version of Mark Sanchez butt fumble and Robinson threw as pretty a deep ball as you'll ever see...but just had trouble with short to intermediate stuff, he also had a REALLY good WR corp. !
Thank you, Keith! Yeah, the Jets had super solid receivers - Tight End Jerome Barkum gets overlooked, but he was very good. I agree with you about Dickey - he had all of the tools, but had the injury bug.
@@markgardner9460 Oh yeah, Wesley Walker was a Beast, even though he is blind in one eye ! I remembered they had a good TE, couldn't remember Barkum's name.
@14:36 oooh that lack of a drop step is hard to watch
13:11 Excedrin headache #25
The Giants and Jets were not good teams in 1978. So likely those 2,000 yards passing meant they were behind a lot. So they had to pass more. And a lot of those yards were probably garbage time stats. Judging by the records of the two teams. It means too many of those passes went into the wrong hands.
Robinson was 6 & 5 in his 11 starts which isn't bad considering the team for whom he played. They ended up 8 & 8, 3rd overall in points scored, but 27th in points allowed. It makes sense that their record was 8 & 8.
@@markgardner9460 The 1970's were not kind to either New York team. The Giants has a decent year with Fran in 1970. But for the most part, that Division was a two-teams race, between Dallas and Washington, in the 70's. With the Cardinals squeezing a couple Div Titles in '74 and 75.
True. Between those NY teams in the '70's, there were a lot of high draft picks that dudn't pan out. John Hicks and Gordon Bell immediately come to mind.
They also hired Bill Arnsparger from the great Miami Dolphins thinking he would turn things around.
Hub Mead of the Vikings
I think you're right, David!
Unfortunately, Pisarchik will only be remembered for The Dumble excuse me The Fumble for Giants fans and Miracle at the Meadowlands for Eagles fans. The win actually would be needed by the Eagles to make the playoffs unlike Giants who would only win 1 more game. BTW: In defense of Joe Pisarcik better The Fumble than The Butt Fumble - would anyone agree?
why have QBs from 16-game seasons? It's more impressive for a QB to throw for over 2000 in 14 games during the run-heavy 70s. Throw in Bob Avellini
I hear what you're saying. Bob was the Bears starting QB for 3 consecutive years and he played 9 years for them, so to me he wasn't obscure.
Yes, Pisarcik stunk, but the Giants receivers stunk more. Johnny Perkins? Gary Shirk? P.U.
Jimmy Robinson averaged over 19.2 YPC in '77 and '78. He didn't have a lot of receptions, however.
Never would have guessed these five. The New York teams were mired in mediocrity in the ‘70’s. Looks like Haven Moses (25) went right into the sideline cameraman in that 1970 game vs the Rams. He was also, like Dennis Shaw (16) an SDSU alum. tho, I believe he graduated earlier.
Haven Moses quietly had himself a very good career. He's very underrated.
I didn't know that Moses was from SDSU, too! 1st round pick by the Bills in '68. Thanks for bringing that up.
@@markgardner9460 Yes, especially with Denver. Moses (25), who is a California kid, ended up playing in two of the coldest stadiums of the NFL. 🥶
I hadn't thought of that - kind of like Ahmad Rashad going from Buffalo to Minnesota.
@@markgardner9460 Rashad actually said while he was playing in Buffalo that one stadium the Bills hated playing in was Metropolitan Stadium in Bloomington, Minnesota... because it was so cold ( and the Vikings were great at the time... Imagine that! A player from Bullalo complaining about another venue being cold!
That's crazy! Rashad was so great on those 12 to 15 yard down and out pass patterns. Nobody could lay a finger on him. He'd catch it, then pop out of bounds. Move the sticks.
I guessed Phil Simms and I guessed 😑 wrong
The helmet logos are different, right?
When I think of Simms, I think of that clip of him and Parcells standing on the sideline with Bill yelling "I'm the coach. I'm the one calling the f$#@! plays!"
@@markgardner9460Yes it took a few years for Simms to gain Parcells trust!
....and for Simms to get the ringing out of his ears from all of Bill's yelling
THE FUMBLE
I am pretty sure Hub Meeds of the Vikings preceded Crazy George as a human mascot. Not sure if he was the first though.
How could I forget him? Yes, he's likely the first. Thanks!
Beat me to it. Hub came to mind immediately.
Yes Hub Meeds was probably the first.
The Vikings also had Ragnar another human mascot who had a long Beard and rode a motorcycle
Nice flea-flicker at 2:30 by the Gmen
All i know is if one of the best fullbacks of all time says i refuse to take the handoff, fall on it. Why the heck do you follow through with the play and try to hand the ball of to the fb whos running to do the right thing and block for the fall down as they didnt have the knee yet? Simply not a smart player
Lynn Dickey if not for horse crap luck he wouldn’t have any. Breaking his leg on the last play of the game. Lynn’s broken leg almost as horrible as Joe Theismanns. But Lynn came back tough and resilient and had a ton of courage. Dennis Shaw led SDSU to victory in the Pasadena Bowl 28-7 thanks for the correction!! They beat some team 63-14 perhaps Southern Mississippi???
Dickey came back and had a huge year in '83: lead the NFL in passing yards (4,458 which may have been a record then), yards per attempt, yards per completion, passing touchdowns AND interceptions.
Profootballreference.com indicates that the score of the Pasadena Bowl game was 28 to 7.
I bet you didn't see too many clouds while watching games at the stadium, eh? What a GREAT place to watch a game.
@@markgardner9460 Almost all night games from what I can remember. But they beat someone 63-14 whenShaw was there. Thanks for the correction. Perhaps SOuthern Mississippi
I checked and SDSU scored 50 or more points 4X in '69 and score 48 or more points 6X. Amazingly high-powered offense.
IIRC in either 1968 or 1969 then Mississippi Southern defeated then Troy State for The NAIA Championship. At the time Troy was known as The Red Wave. Both are now NCAA Group of Five D1 Teams of course.🤔🌊🦅🏈B.W.
Maybe it was during Brian Sipes Era 1970-71. 63-14. ??
You could also call this Quarterbacks who would not be able to play in the NFL today.
.In today's NFL they would throw for 4000 yards. Quarterbacks today would be eaten alive in the 70s NFL.
Just think if '70's QB's had 45 seconds between plays that would allow them to call multiple audibles, have an Offensive Coordinator tell them in their helmet transmitter what to look for in the defense as they walk towards the line of scrimmage, not have to line up under center and drop back while simultaneously reading the defense, have his offensive linemen already standing in prime blocking position before the ball is even snapped, have the luxury of sidestepping just a matter of feet that allows them to throw the ball away without an intentional grounding penalty.............it goes on and on. They make it so much easier to succeed in today's game.
What ever happened to George?
George Shaw?
@@markgardner9460 Crazy George
I know he went to be with the Vikings for awhile. His main claim to fame is creating "The Wave" in 1979, however.
@@markgardner9460 At a Colorado Rockies (NHL) game.
Was that as McNichols Sports Arena?
Would it not be great if us old farts could get together and play a quick game of football. And then celebrate with a few beers and. A few heart attacks?
Pisarcik obscure? More like infamous.
Dennis Shaw was the worst Bills QB ever. Just putrid.