Voxel Ray Tracing
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- čas přidán 24. 08. 2023
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Fast Voxel Traversal: citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc...
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its crazy that voxel technology has gotten so far that you were able to create an entire real life dog out of them
Nice pfp
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I would like to know more about how teardown rasterizes its voxels! This is very interesting and well presented👍
I don't have time for a lot of details - But they don't use meshes for resterization, they use Raytracing to directly draw pixels in, so no meshes.
Teardown uses a normal rasterizer to render cube meshes that represent the bounds of objects. Then in the pixelshader of those cubemeshes it traces rays into a 3D texture to determine if a voxel is solid or not, and what material properties that voxel has (8bits per voxel).
You can find more when you google for the blogpost called: Teardown frame Teardown
@@kayvolbeda8669 Teardown absolutely does not use any kind of resterization
It does, but in a very interesting way. It uses rasterization for ray generation basically, and then runs ray tracing in each fragment shader.
Yeap very similar to if you were to use parallax occlusion mapping or some volumetric fog/cloud techniques.
Whats nutty is Teardown is made in opengl 3.3, so it doesn't have any compute shaders! Teardown is a contender for the most innovative engine out there, its still mostly over my head
innovative in some ways sure, but the game itself is visually very low quality, no matter your settings the game will look quite bad and run even worse. its not going to get licensed for a new game anytime soon because of how badly it runs on even high end hardware
@@selectionnbro what
@@selectionnyou’ve never played it have you
I’ve got a gtx 1050 bro, base game, no mods just the campaign my fps stays above 30 with a fucking gtx 105
The level of optimisation is insane and it looks beautiful still
It’s got a sort of unintended style to the game which is timeless unlike realistic games which nowadays (gollum.) run shit and get outdated in 3 years time and it’s shaders/ambience only adds to it
Get an hour of gameplay in before you talk ong 💀
@@selectionnYou are playing a very old version.
To be fair Fragmentation shaders are fast enough
Octrees are a pretty old space partition trick. It's one of the primary space partition techniques used for collision detection.
Its videos like this that i really love, you arent trying to explain every different algorithm and optimization method and such, you simply explain the concept behind how it is done and some basic ideas behind how it might be optomized. I dont nessicaraly need to know every detail as to how something like this is done, knowing the basics makes me confident that with enough time i could figure out how to set a system up like this for myself. Just enough detail to teach me what it is without so much that it trys to teach me how it is done. Major props, you have earned a subscription.
You started so basic that I didn't think I'd learn anything and then around half way in you started dropping some modern tricks, honestly wasn't expecting signed distance fields being used for raytracing optimization that's pretty cool.
I needed such a channel, just explaining how the concept works and showing some ideas makes it so much better to understand than someone trying to teach me how it is done with every information that I will forget the next day. I hope you succeed growing on CZcams so I can watch more videos of yours
Amazing video, if there were more on this subject in detail (voxels: SDFs, smoothing algorithms, physics, lighting, etc.) it'd be an amazing resource.
I love how you linked your video sources in the description, most people don't do this nowadays.
Using ray-tracing is for this is actually pretty clever, and up until recent advancements in GPU's, I would have never imagined possible. On a standard laptop monitor, that is still 2073600 ray-trace ops per frame, so still going to require decent hardware to keep up, but going forward as hardware continues to get beefier, that become a standard way of doing it.
Until then I am just going to continue packing as much data as I can into integers with bit-shifting/masking and keep the payload as small as possible, as well as employ every technique I know to cull vertices that won't be visible.
what? voxel raycasting (aka 1-hit raytracing) has been around for ages, see Voxlap engine (early 2000s) and Ace of Spades game (2011). it's implemented on the cpu side though.
@kittyhawk3011 I was unable to find anything of the sort in the source code, though I just scanned it briefly, so am fully open to admit I am wrong.
The OpenGL renderer (GLMapChunk.cpp) definitely isn't doing it, just the standard approach of uploading vertex data directly to the GPU with glBufferData after checking if the block is solid, etc, nor is it done later in the respective shaders. Just run-of-the-mill voxel rendering like how everyone does it.
Voxel and signed distance field ray marching are both deceptively fast, especially with the correct optimisations as mentioned in the video (plus more, don't think the video mentioned sparsity which involves not even storing empty regions of the grid in memory). The slow parts of the raytracing seen in AAA games in the last few years is the ray-triangle and ray-box intersection tests used to check if a ray has hit a triangle and an arbitrarily sized box respectively, as there's just a lot of computation that goes into both of those algorithms. Voxels don't use triangles and can take advantage of the fact that they're within an axis-aligned regular grid, and signed distance fields quite literally give you the distance to the nearest surface which lets you skip a *lot* of space with no extra effort during the march.
@@kittyhawk3011 what about delta force? it was published back in 1998... it ran on voxel engine.
@@kittyhawk3011 yup nothing new nvidia just remade an old idea and claimed it was revolutionary, just like apple does even though they are years behind. Ray tracing is also in more games than people realize, minecraft for example has native ray tracing and VR support.
This video was really interesting and informative, I loved how high the quality was. Definitely subbing, looking forward to seeing what you make in the future!
very nice video! very informative and the editing and animations are very nice.
This was a very interesting video on a topic I know little about. I am excited to see more of your videos!
Here I was going to complain that you're too young to remember NovaLogic and similar endeavours, but then I saw it was about raytracing, which makes it kind of interesting!
Nice video! I'd love to see more diving into some of the tangential topics you mentioned.
Keep doing what you’re doing this was so educational
Really amazing video!! Thank you for the detailed explanations. I saw a technique on the internet that uses a perspective voxel grid to accelerate ray tracing, and it seems to work relatively quickly.
Not bad. This video really helped me understand how ray tracing works with voxels. Thanks!
Voxelstein 3D is much older and has much smaller voxels.
I commend everyone over the years for having the discipline to refrain from creating and naming an algorithm "FAst Ray Trace" FART
I always liked Trove for the size of its blocks. I wondered how it could do what it does and be less of a data hog as Minecraft can be. Trove had light blocks, glow blocks, semi-transparent blocks etc etc and "shiny" blocks. It had a lot of visuals that I wished Minecraft had. Even with some of the mods that come out, they don't do it as well--and then the worry is if they'll continue updating that mod when a new release comes out. Even then, the size of the blocks stay the same. I think the block ratio is about 5 blocks on Trove is 3 blocks on Minecraft. For a long time, I'd prefer making my voxel art in Trove even though I really, really liked the idea of using Minecraft because of things like World Edit and use of shaders. I am a creative player, I have dabbled in survival but while I've beaten the dragon, surveyed the End, creative mode is where my heart is. Trove... it's more or less collecting resources to build your worlds and build your many classes (I was a Gunslinger and Candy Barbarian but dabbled in Ninja and Shadow Hunter-my first was Chloromancer.)
I would build massive structures in people's worlds and get in-game currency for it. I did what I loved and got paid for it. It was great. I tried Creativerse and other voxel games but I still would wish that a really good game, Minecraft, could implement just a smidge of Trove.
I love learning how these games orchestrate code into visible results. Fascinating, really.
You should really check out Blockscape. It has voxels the size of 25 centimeters, meaning 4x smaller than Minecraft's. But it also has stuff like slopes, slabs, etc. which means that you can really get detailed in your builds.
Hmmm, trove seems to limit how much terrain is generated, so that there's a much smaller demand. The draw distance is similar to Minecraft's limit on mobile phones. That's probably key in maintaining its performance. After all, the performance demands grow explonentially with draw distance. Dunno about specific tech though.
@@RePorpoisedyeah, I turned up the render distance and graphics a bit, and my rtx 3070 started to struggle in a mostly empty club world
Cube 2 has variable voxel size
awesome video!! im excited to see what other videos you create!
Hey, only one video on this channel? I want more! From this 5 minute video I understood about voxel data structs more than 5 hours before that
Finally, Been looking for info on how voxel rendering is done
Such a nerdy name for your dog :p. Love the video & can't wait for more
I hope you make more videos on voxel stuff.
Fascinating explanation!
Wait, you only got 180 subscribers?
This video is really good!
This is a very good and informative Video, very well done!.
Thank you all for all the views, likes and comments! More videos are coming soon, especially after such a huge support from all of you! I really appreciate it!
I would also want to address all the future comments regarding "there is actually a ray tracing in Minecraft bedrock". Thank you for pointing this out, I think at this point there are enough comments about this :) The phrasing in the video is indeed inaccurate, I agree. But I think it does not change the main idea of the video - rendering voxel worlds as meshes (triangles) VS rendering voxel worlds using direct ray tracing on voxel grid. Yes indeed you can add ray tracing to a game with mesh rendering, but in my opinion it does not change the core principle of how its graphics work and how objects are presented for the GPU, in contrast to a Teardown where graphics works in a completely different way.
Super high quality, informative and interesting!
Amazing work
Wow u got this much views and subs with just 1 video? Great video and good luck on rest of ur youtube journey. Subbed btw 👍
Surprised as well :) Thanks!
I came for a cool technical video, but cute doggy too?
Best intro ever
There wasn't any environmental destruction involved, but voxel tech goes WAY back as far as I'm aware to 1998 when a game called Delta Force came out for PC. It was pretty revolutionary for the time. I remember my PC couldn't handle it very well, but I was impressed by it.
Great video, gl wirh your youtube journey
Nice video. Just one thing, Minecraft is not based on voxels, it uses a standard rasterization based engine. The blocks aren't represented by voxels either.
Voxels are just a grid of volumes.
You CAN use the volumes and ray marching to render it without polygons. But that's not what voxels are. Its just a common way to render them. Voxels are most commonly used for data storage. Minecraft IS based on voxels. It just ONLY uses them for data storage. It doesn't use them as part of the render pipeline.
It's space partition is made of voxels, but the rendering isn't.
@@Wylie288 Minecraft stores individual block information in a 3D array. If you think that qualifies for calling it voxel based go ahead, but I disagree.
@@pathway4582 How would that not qualify as voxel based? How else would it store voxels?
i'm developing my own voxel game and this was very informative thanks. plz make more vids about game voxel stuff!
Great video :) Thanks for making it
anytime I think of these voxel engine stuff, I'm always reminded of John Lin's voxel engine and how absolutely ridiculous it was, though they haven't shown anything about it in a long time, and seemingly shelved the micro-voxels so it'd no longer be nearly as detailed as it was
Love the vibe of this video, reminds me of Sebastien Lague
super informative !
Now I have a video to send to people who ask "why can't I turn off raytracing in Teardown 😠😠😠"
Anytime I hear someone speaking about the use of voxel's I'm blown away that Ken Silverman's name isn't mentioned (or well known amongst gamers for that matter). His early work with voxels was solid and even Carmack was impressed with his work.
Just in case anyone is interested.
I actually used the algorithm in this paper to implement a feature in Wren Kitchen's web based kitchen planner software.
We used it to traverse a voxel grid that is generated for each kitchen to aid spatial queries.
Btw, for things like procedural terrain generation, using something like marching cubes is probably better than generating crazy-high density voxels.
Agree, I will probably cover this at some point in future, marching cubes for procedurally generated worlds is the topic I was researching as well
"No man's sky" uses dual-contouring, kind of similar, it allows for sharp and soft edges.
@@SerBallister No Mans Sky also has levels of optimization not even a dozen games have seen since games stopped being actual hardware.
I remember voxel games in the 90s that had pretty small voxels. Delta Force, Hexsplore etc.
As an old person, the first thing that comes to mind when I hear voxels is Outcast. In 1999 a game named Outcast was released and it was (arguably) the first major use of voxels in a game. And for a long time after. The game certainly looked different in 1999s than other games released that year. System Shock 2 and the original Unreal Tournament for example used polygons. I guess voxels still do a good job in a niche. But polygons are what most developers use and I guess there are good reasons for that. The quare meter price alone is 3 times as high for voxels than for polygons.
Glad someone else is mentioning this. Outcast was a technical marvel really - a lot of people saw the fuzzy edges of the voxels and weren't sold on the idea... but I loved the extra detail in the landscapes, and the visual depth. Where other titles might have flat grass texture on a perfectly flat bit of geometry, and try to hide it with some sprites, Outcast had a soft-looking, naturally uneven grassy surface. And then of course there were the cool snow footsteps and so on.
And damn, the water! Three years before Morrowind came along with its fancy pixel shader water visuals, Outcast had glassy, rippling visuals that nobody else could compete with.
really great video, you sound like a guy i would climb a mountain with for the first time of my life, and the weather goes cold and it becomes harder and harder to breathe, and when i ask you if we should go back you push me on to go even further, then at the top of the mountain you say "just to let you know; i didnt bring enough oxygen tanks for the trip back" in a very calm soothing voice, and when i am concerned about if we will be alive or not you simply reply with "50/50 😀".
nice bro
great video
this video is literally perfect, i am just starting working on a ray traced voxel game the main i am having is my gpu is like 4 years old and I have awful performance
I just started the video but, in the thumbnail, it looked like Minecraft's HUGE voxels were improved to smaller voxels however while Minecraft looks like blocks, they are polygons in the shape of a cube not voxels. There are some ways to the inside of a few blocks, and they have no texture from the inside meaning you can see through them from the inside if Minecraft was voxel based it would have texture inside as voxels are 3 dimensional. (What I mean by 3 dimensional is that they aren't just flat textures with no depth)
Edit: I just fixed a parenthesis
They are voxels. Voxels are and ONLY are a grid of volumes.
Yes. That grid of volumes CAN be used directly by the render pipeline. But those voxels can also be converted to polygons and rasterized. Voxels are NOT a render method. Voxels are a form of data storage USED by render methods. And them being data storage, they can be used in other ways too. Like minecrafts voxels just simply holding world data.
cool video you should make another one
Back in the nineties, before GPUs were common place, many games used voxel rendering somewhat similar to this, because yes, it is fast. It's crazy fast. The limiter is not this rendering technique. The things that prevent this technique form going smaller are physics, lighting, and MEMORY.
id be very interested in some insight on the physics of such games
damn this is a really well edited and well explained video you are going places man!
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Voxel engines are likely gonna become more prevalent in the next 10 years.
This got way over my head really quickly. 😅
About ten years ago there was a voxel tech with only a few videos showing how, using voxels and point clouds with no meshes, a model of an oasis fill of trees and statues could be zoomed in on, showing the rocks and eventually dirt and finally the textured details of the dirt particles. The images shown were all static, but the zooming was rendered in real-time with very organic looking shapes with promises of games being developed with the tech.
I'm reminded of it because of how you described the optimisation of rendering only by screen pixels, which was one of their claims, and the early dev vids looked great. But I haven't seen any development of similar voxel rendering since then, you know, going away from cubes.
(I was at an animation college at the time, so we would all joke about being the Rock Guy whose job it would be to just make one rock for a video game that no one would ever see the intricate detail of.)
*EDIT: I looked it up. The company was Euclideon
Euclideon's "infinite detail" was overhyped marketing vaporware for games, but they eventually produced a nice photogrammetry renderer for geospatial data. They couldn't really support animation or even good realtime lighting, which makes it not ideal for games. There's a lot of good debunking from the time those videos were coming out about how their claims of superiority are nonsense, but at least they ended up useful for something.
How has this channel less than 2k subscribers
Thanks for the video
Can you make a more detailed video with code examples in pygame
i hope "that's it for to day" means there will be more about this! i'd love to hear more about the optimizations
The video ended just when it was starting to get really interesting 😭
Voxel... my first game with them was Comanche from NovaLogic.
Would be very interesting to see someone optimize a minecraft-like game to run with this technology. We could see how far out the tender distance could get and what kind of performance benefit there is
The issue with that is the complexity of voxels that a Minecraft-like game can have. A raytracing-based approach like this probably only works well at all for a LOD renderer where every block is a flat color.
voxel were also really small in some games, YEARS ago
was it the first Baldur's gate, or something, don't remember, but they were no bigger than a couple of pixels
Could you also make a analysis of John Lin's Voxel Engine
It is insane
I think what is more insane about this is this channel being only one video! this is criminally underrated!!
Coming soon ;) Thanks!
Good video 🐶
there is a way to use 'Point cloud' as Voxels?
3:26 it's called ray casting, it's how the Wolfenstein 1 engine worked
Incredibly well made video
Wait, so what was the scope of the video then?
morale : Teardown is a great and hard to make voxel game.
Indeed, my desire to re-implement it's rendering two years ago is what made me interested in voxels. I have a lot of technical things to share in video, but I did not want to dive in too specific stuff right away
very interesting
reminds me of wolfenstein a little
Indeed. It's like a 3D extension of the 2D raycasting algorithm used in old games such as Wolfenstein 3D.
If you take from creators, please attribute them at the time instead of hiding them as random links in the description
Here's the ones I noticed while watching the video (both of which are in the description)
2:10: czcams.com/video/gsZiJeaMO48/video.html an amazingly animated introduction to ray tracing implementation
2:30: czcams.com/video/BNZtUB7yhX4/video.html a great explanation of how cool geometries can be implemented using raymarching
how is this your only video 😮
Really goo video, but Minecraft does have official RTX support
The link may be broken. I dont get the pdf
There is actually an awesome shaderpack for minecraft that incorporates voxel based ray tracing and lighting!
I feel like it fits the vibe of minecraft a lot better than other shaders
Name?
@@koiledPythonRain rethinking voxels
@@thatfellarosto thank you
I find the Minecraft example confusing. Isn't Minecraft just banal 3D graphics based on meshes? Apart from grasses, every object in Minecraft has height times length times width, right? Voxels, on the other hand, are pixels arranged in a 3-dimensional space. Teardown, Commanche (the old one) or Delta Force from Novalogic had them. In medicine, voxel space is also used, for example, to display MRI scans. Or am I seeing something wrong?
It's still voxels, just rendered with polygons instead of ray tracing. This lets blocks have textures and shapes other than cubes. "Voxels" only has to do with the way the geometry is stored.
Heheh doggo 😗😗
I'm sorry, you were saying something? I didn't catch that last part after doggo.
a screen has fixed resolution, but what about the memory to store and access all those voxels?
not that much when you think about how with polygons, you still have to store the vertices' positions and the textures (including things like normal maps)
Man i hate math, but it is amazing how far technology has come, thank you for making this complicated topic easy to understand for everyone
You should check how oceans are simulated, now that's some good math.
This is a really good video! Though to be fair, the reason Minecraft runs poorly has nothing to do with the number of triangles on screen and everything to do with the game's lack of optimization. Mods like Sodium make the game run MUCH better.
Yeah. Bedrock Edition is pretty much the same in terms of features with the Java Edition, but it runs infinitely better than JE, since IIRC its codebase comes from Pocket Edition, which needed to be run on phones, which had pretty much no power compared to computers so that the whole code was written with much more optimization. Notch also probably did not think that his Cave Game would become such a huge game, so he probably tried to implement features as quickly as possible instead of optimizing them.
@@GamersUniverseOE Yep! Java has had a lot of updates to help clean it up but it's still a mess. Though, Bedrock has its own host of issues as well.
Yeah, fortunately both client side and server side have ways to fix their issues, tho folia hasn't become popular enough yet
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I'm curious why voxel-based ray-marching doesn't just use Bresenham line drawing algorithm? It would seem that computing the bounding box of the ray at each step is more work than necessary. Bresenham is just a simple fixed-point accumulator and is very fast. If you wanted to be really smart, you could do AA based voxel raytracing with Xiaolin Wu's line algorithm and when a hit occurs, that becomes the weighted RGB of that pixel and any remaining "energy" in would continue. This could allow for transparency and other cool effects too.
but how do you check which polygons/voxels the ray hits without going over all objects in the scene
If you are using ray marching you can just check if voxel [x, y, z] is air or not. Knowing the current position of the rey, you should just round down the coordinates and you will get [x,y,z] of the voxel
Can't wait till we a smooth running game made of Voxels the size of 1 mm or less 😜
once they get small enough, we might as well render them as point clouds
How about Noita?
"There is no ray tracing in minecraft" ouch
0:59, This is due to effectively having an opengl2 renderer which was never optimized for anything other than tiny maps with simple geometry, not what minecraft is today.
No, it doesn't have much to do with rendering at all. It's mostly due to a lot of poorly optimized other aspects of the game, like lighting, redstone, entities, etc
Cool
Cool video - can you make more of this - if possible - in more details too
0:36 there is ray tracing supported natively on minecraft bedrock edition on PC.
Nvidea showcase: czcams.com/video/AdTxrggo8e8/video.html&ab_channel=NVIDIAGeForce
if i were doing ray marching in a regular grid i'd just try to implement bresenham.
same