Write Now - Ep.004: Shimmer vs. Sheen, Which is Better?
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- Your favorite fountain pen duo is back again in today's episode of Write Now. In Episode 004, Brian & Drew tackle sheening & shimmering inks.
Check for these quick-hitting shows a few times a week. What do you think? Let us know in the comments!
Brian's Top 10 Sheening Inks **Sept 2015**:
• Brian's Top 10 Sheenin...
How to Write with Shimmering Inks:
• How to Write with Shim...
Products featured:
Organics Studio inks: www.gouletpens.com/organics-s...
J. Herbin Emerald of Chivor: www.gouletpens.com/j-herbin-e...
Diamine Golden Sands: www.gouletpens.com/diamine-go...
Nemosine TwINKle inks: www.gouletpens.com/nemosine-b...
De Atramentis Pearlescent Inks: www.gouletpens.com/coming-soo...
Tomoe River paper: www.gouletpens.com/tomoe-rive...
Nemosine Singularity: www.gouletpens.com/nemosine-s...
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Nothing drives out the shimmer when you're cleaning it out as well as a syringe can. It's seriously your best friend for cleaning out the feeds and getting up into the intl converters and ink reservoirs to make them pristine again!
Not sure I'd ever clean a pen if I didn't have the ink syringe. It makes everything easier! - Colin
Can I suggest a video listing the top 5 pens to use with shimmering inks? Happy Valentine's Day. 💘
Yes, definitely something we want to do! Will probably wait for those De Atrementis Copper ones to come in first though. - Colin
The Goulet Pen Company Thanks Colin. I of course put shimmering in my fav pens which are TWSBI Vac and TWSBI diamond because of the broad nibs but I would like to switch shimmering inks into a cartridge pen for the sake of flow and cleaning. Yes, that copper shimmer looks amazing!
I got a sample of Red Gold in my "Surprise me" ink sample pack. Didn't realize how lucky I was.
Guys, this series is amazing! Seeing all of you play with inks and talk about them with such passion is pure joy for me! Keep up the great work! Looking forward to more!
Hello, are you still in pilgrimage today?
I am a shimmer junkie and any broad or stub pen I own will be subject to the glitter madness. With the gorgeous sheen inks, I now have an option for my finer nibs. Looking forward to the Pearlescent inks, especially the blue and green colors w/ copper.
Best episode yet. I could watch this as a Q&A also. Getting different views on topics as you discuss them would be really interesting. You two have great interaction with each other I think.
These episodes are great!! I really enjoy this.
Very cool guys, love this new way! It's as if, I pulled up a chair and sat down with you! And, very happy you guys went over the two different inks! I have an interest in both, and glad you guys went over. Write On...
This video is sending me through the archives to watch more on the subject. And of course, buy shimmering ink! But what I will say after watching this twice, and the previous duo videos- you guys should take this show on the road!
Thank you, Brian and Drew.
I love these podcasts! This is my question of the day ☀️ 👍
Really enjoying this format!
Like this muchly, also the close shots Andy did which are much better than the older Q&A where Brian zoomed in best he could to show various things but it was a struggle at times to see what he was doing. The lighting was okay showing Brian and Drew but when you come back from the close shots to the general view there is a filter shift which I'd distracting just for a couple of seconds, but this I think is due to the tech in the camera, it's a bit awkward to get a seamless transaction but the video camera work is good, thanks Andy... Whaow!!! Just how far in chemistry ink has leaped in the last couple of years! it's difficult to keep up with the qualities the ink people offer. I want that nitrogen now I've seen it and to show all those ink samples is really appreciated. The postal costs from the USA are the deal breaker though because the UK customs then charge, then the post office put a £8 charge on the package just to hand it over the counter, so the UK guys are going to struggle to get some inks at a decent price unless the pen people here stock it..eg Noodlers inks and pens... Hard to find what you desire in the UK... PurePens are the only ones for Noodlers stuff I've found.
I really like Drew,,, he's bonkers.
Sorry everyone for the long reply... I'm going to have to start instagram and Pinterest for this but hey... I like to spout.
Thanks Brian and Drew... the dynamic duo.
Best wishes as always to all pen people.
LeZc
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Really loving these more frequent videos! Esp. since they are super relevant and aren't just based on what people ask about.
Netashia Bolden thanks! We’re trying to stay relevant -Brian
Loving the Organics Studio inks. I have Walden pond and Nitrogen, they are so good!
Loved this episode! I have had J. Herbin Emerald of Chivor in my Edison Premier with the 1.1 stub for 3 weeks and it's still writes beautifully. I have heard that some folks have had problems with shimmering ink, EOC is the only one I have a bottle of and I have not had any trouble with it at all. Hope I haven't jinxed myself because I love writing with this ink. I plan to buy the purple one, I forget the name of it, hope it performs as well. Thanks for all you do!
Please to carry some copper shimmering ink! I really want some.
Definitely going to carry them! Probably not until the April timeframe. You can sign up for the email notification list here: www.gouletpens.com/coming-soon/c/478/?sortBy=productName+asc&facetValueFilter=Tenant~Brand%3Ade_atramentis - Colin
That was great. I am in the process of setting up a travelers notebook for artsy stuff, and I've been thinking about using sheening ink as well as watercolors. I have tomoe paper inserts for it, that I bought from you.
I love Diamine's Shimmertastic range - that's what I have all my pens inked up with!
Tomoe river is worth the wait. I have journalled on tomoe river paper for years and it’s just so enjoyable! I haven’t had a shimmering ink, yet- but I love sheeting. I honestly think I would prefer sheening.
I absolutely love these I'm thi nking you should do them every day!!!
Goulet video notifications are the best!!
I really loved this video. Please do a follow up video on which pens are the best to use shimmer inks in along with which paper brand to help show off the shimmers. Thank youuuu
Check out our 'How to Write with Shimmering Inks' video: czcams.com/video/mc0ETwkQWNo/video.html . Should have some answers for that! - Colin
Apparently you now have a great new videographer. He / she is doing a great job. I did video for 15 years at a university and I know how hard it can be to do these kinds of shots. Love these little short videos. Congrats Brian.
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Yeah, Andi our new videographer is doing great considering the amount of stuff we've thrown at her! - Colin
Oh my word! You showcase the Nemosine as great for shimmer and that amazing Organics ink... none of which are in stock! Why must you toy with my emotions?! Email alert in! Absolutely loving these "Write On" sessions. REALLY enjoying the best bromance since JD and Turk (from "Scrubs")!
WOW! Love those copper inks. I'd love to buy a sampler, they really are unique and amazing. Put me on the waitlist :>
The copper is really beautiful!
Always great to see Drew.
I've had these clog on pens where the tines are tighter than the width of the particles. Having a well tuned pen with parallel tines will help a ton with flow of these inks.
I love the sheen of the Montblanc Leo Tolstoy ink.
His handwriting is amazing 😍
Perfect timing for this video...I just received the Nitrogen and was so disappointed that the sheen wasn't showing...going to pull out my Tamoe river paper now!
Yes absolutely! Should look amazing on Tomoe. - Colin
I was able to get a lot of sheen out of O.S. Henry David Thoreau w/ a 1.1mm stub + Leuchtturm paper, but it was really insane on my Tamoe River paper.
Melinda Smith ooh, I'll ink it up in one of my stubs... because i use an LT for my planner. Thank you
I got a sample of nitrogen and used it on crappy printer paper and still got the sheen to show. It was in a medium nib safari.
Yeah, I had just done a q-tip swab of it on my craft mat paper...which is probably way too absorbent for it.
Having some vintage aerometric celluloid and resin pens I was advised by more than one pen restorer to use dyed inks only. In most other pens it would be acceptable as the more modern materials used in construction are much more resilient to chem. reactivity or simple clogging. M nibs etc. seem to work the best with sheening ,shimmering as long as cleaning is done regularly.
As a person that is into both shimmer and sheening inks, I have an extensive collection of shimmer inks that includes the J Herbin inks, all the Diamine Shimmertastic inks, Nemosine Nebula inks, a few De Atramentis Pearlescent inks and the Robert Oster four ink set.
I agree that the J Herbin shimmer inks are the best behaved and easiest to agitate into standard use. (Caroube de Chypre has been in my Lamy 2000 Makralon EF for over a year and a half.) Emerald of Chivor has a shimmer and sheen. (Special mention to the newest Amethyste!) Diamine is the next well behaved followed closely by Nemosine. There are too many great colors in Diamine to pick out just one (or two). Nemosine’s Blue Snowball is amazing to look at after it dries. However both of these need a pen that is more forgiving. I do recommend the Nemosine Singularity demonstrator (F is good). It will allow you to see the particulates mix. And their converter does have a small ball inside. I don’t recommend TWSBI pens or pens that use a nib unit like Karas Kustoms or Namisu. The other pen which works well is Lamy Safari/Al Star/Vista with a F nib.
You need to be able to clean the feed at most every other month. Like I said, J Herbin is the best behaved. De Atramentis does tend to clog even my Nemosines or Lamys after a few days.
Robert Oster is not recommended for fountain pens. It says so on the labeling. Dip pens and similar only. I did try in Singularities and Vistas. It didn’t work well.
As far as sheen, very excited about the Organics. Thanks for picking those up.
I just recently acquired a bottle of the Diamine Frosted Orchid, and even on just laser paper it is to die for!!! It's basically a straight up silver ink, with a hint of the purple around the edges and at starts and stops. It is so amazing to write with and I'm just using it in a Ensso pen with an extra-fine titanium nib. Put it on TaR paper...and other than a dry time of days, it's nothing short of spectacular. I will admit that I think it's going to necessitate the purchase of a low cost sonic cleaner though.
The new Shimmertastic inks are really great. Frosted Orchid is a lot of fun. Golden Ivy & Wine Divine are two of my favorites. - Colin
Brian, love this new format, can i ask this and get a quik answer PLEASE, just watch this episode "Goulet Q&A 167: Wet and Dry Inks, and the Most Beautiful Fountain Pen Nibs" and you show a Pilot M90 gorgeus pen, do you sell or know about any "MODERN" fountain pen with a full body+nib like this?? Thanks in advance
Not familiar with any pen with that completely built-in look. Might be able to find the M90 secondhand though! The Pilot E95s (www.gouletpens.com/pilot-e95s/c/197 ) is probably the closest I've seen. - Colin
My favorite is the gold on the Tomoe River paper. That's a combination I've been thinking of, and now that I can see an example of it, looks like a winning combination. What pen is that "lumpy biscuits" written with? Interesting nib.
Joe Sasser that’s with a Nemosine Singularity 1.1nib. Results would be similar with a Lamy 1.1 or Goulet 1.1 -Brian
Question to Drew: I have heard that nemosine nibs can be a bit dry, does that not affect the shimmer or is this not an issue. Also, what do you think of the pen?
I much prefer sheen and would love a list of which inks are specifically sheening, not shimmer. On your site, I know you have a search filter for viewing inks with shimmer, but I don't think there is a filter for sheen, could that be added?
All that being said, I NEED the copper violet and copper black shimmer inks 😄
Kirstie Carter that’s a great idea. The tough thing is that it’s somewhat subjective...when people want sheen, they want it everywhere, but al lot depends on the paper and volume of ink, nib size etc. to definitively say “this has sheen and this one doesn’t” is a blurry line....-Brian
The Goulet Pen Company Thanks Brian!
Maybe there could be a disclaimer at the top of the list, or within the individual ink listings, that says "Appearance of sheen is not guaranteed, but rather dependent on nib and paper characteristics." I know I would just love to more easily see which inks have the possibility of a sheen, even knowing that I may have to play with some nib and paper combinations to bring it out.
Would def buy the copper when you get them
Great idea to use a converter with an agitator for shimmering inks. Which converters have agitatores? Or could you add something to a converter to function as an agitator?
Faber-Castell & Pilot also have agitators in their converters. Not sure of others though! I think small ball bearings would work if you wanted to add your own. - Colin
Great video. It's a cootie catcher, btw. ;-)
Missing Rachel! Happy Valentine's Day to all! Loving my Lamy Vibrant Pink!!!!!!!!
how to you feel a bout the winsor newton gold ... im wondering if that can be put in a fountain pen and not have to be a dip pen although it might look really cool on a glass pen
No, this is calligraphy ink which is too thick for a fountain pen. Keep it for your dip pens! -Brian
Would love to see an update on sheen inks. Shimmers nice but I'm lazy so want sheening inks
With the Organics Studio inks now available, definitely think sheening might need an update. - Colin
What other pens are good for sheen/shimmer inks? Are there any good options in the cheap/starter range, other than the Nemosine you mentioned?
I think the Pilot Metro Stub is a great option. Nib & feed are also easily removable to clear out anything lingering. - Colin
i think "wet" pens will generally have less issues. i've been running emerald of chivor, for four years now. my favorite ink by far. i have had zero start up, or feed issues, nothing. i daily use pelikan m805 with a 3B nib, been doing so for over 10 years. she's a gusher. good ob guys.
Another fantastic Write Now episode! Wonderfully informative. As today's Goulet Communiqué pointed out, the new Monteverde California Teal has some sheen.. I got it for the interesting blend of green-blue, but I did not know about the sheen until today's Goulet Communiqué. It shows nicely on Rhodia using a broad nib.
What are the best pens for righting for long periods of time?
Large & lightweight are the ones I think work best for long writing sessions. Conklin Duragraph/All American, Noodler's Ahab (with new nib), TWSBI 580, Edison Collier all good options. - Colin
I don't own any shimmer inks, but I received an InCoWriMo letter with J. Herbin Emerald of Chivor. Wow! The effect was dramatic and very pleasant. I may consider dedicating a pen like the Singularity to a shimmer-type ink, but I don't want to put it into a pen in which I change inks regularly.
Do you guys know any Sheening inks that have descent water resistance and are a deeper color?
Hey guys, you may have already went over this particular ink, but I'm wondering about it. Ok. I am a huge history buff and I have a curiosity, or fascination, with iron gall ink. I love how far back its history is, including with life on the sea. And also, should it be used with a dip pen, like the old days? Also, are there other inks that go back in the past? Let me know. Thank you! Write On...
Nevermind, now that I'm off work I researched and found that you do have videos on Iron Gall.
Grant Grindle
If you go to scribalworkshop.com, you can buy a kit to make your own Iron Gall ink. The guy who makes it, goes to the Renaissance Fair and it's the closest to the original recipe.
jaclynn jackson Wonderful, thank you!
I've been having some severe hard starting problems with the Twilight and Walden Pond, but not with the Nitrogen. Has anyone else had a similar experience?
I've had that issue with Twilight. Diluting it with a bit of water helps with flow. Doesn't remove any of the sheening properties either. - Colin
I have had issues with high sheening inks drying out when uncapped for a short amount of time. This is especially true with the Organics Studio Nitrogen Royal Blue and Walden. What can I do to minimize this? I try to soft cap in between writing, but this is really annoying. Anything I can add to the ink to help this issue?
I found that adding a couple drops of water into your converter and then mixing it with the ink really helps with stopping hard starts, AND it doesn't take away any sheen!
Also would love a filter added to the store for shimmer : )
Not exactly a filter, but we do have a shopping guide of sorts for shimmering inks: www.gouletpens.com/shimmering-inks/c/576 - Colin
Is the Organics Studio line the best “sheen only” only. I’m trying to find good sheen ink with no gold particulate
Yeah, I would say so. Definitely get sheen on a variety of different paper and nib sizes. Not that case with other inks. - Colin
Any plans to carry Robert Oster Shake and Shimmy shimmering inks? They look amazing and would add more options to the shimmer lines.
Brian briefly mentioned them in this. Right now the price is a bit high (I think around $50?), but if demand is there, could be something we add! - Colin
The Goulet Pen Company as soon as I commented that part came up in the video. Feel like a goof. Hopefully something works out price wise to add to this awesome line up of shimmer and sheen.
Ok. I bought Diamine Majestic Blue, and did not realize it has a sheen to it. I noticed that the Sheen smears when it's dry. I was using Rhodia paper, but I do not remember if it effects ink jet paper. Do all the Shimmer and Sheen inks smear like this? It's an affect I did not care for.
jaclynn jackson it’s pretty common to smear, but it’s definitely going to be more inclined to do so on smooth paper like Rhodia. Using more absorbent paper like inkjet you won’t get that much -Brian
I love both Sheen and shimmer inks!!! But I gotta say, those Nitrogen inks are A MAY ZING!!! Note to videographer: could you please try a video with auto focus OFF, the readjusting between settings is sooo annoying. But I really do love thos new series
Do any shimmer inks have shading propperties as well?
It would also be nice to see a top 10 including diamine shimmer inks. The original sheening in top 10 predates diamine shimmer inks launch.
there are so many more now, we could definitely look to do an updated version! -margaret
Monteverde Sapphire has a nice sheen.
Sheen, because shimmer clogs feeds to easily for my tastes :/ (I DO appreciate the look of both, but I like sheen a little better; it's a subtle kind of flash and beauty).
These are fun!
Now for a writing question, how do these inks work if you are a "lefty"? Does the longer dry time mean more smudging?
Also, are we going to see some other members of the GPC team or will Drew be getting roped into all of the episodes?
Yes, this can definitely lead to more smudging issues, especially if you're a side-writer. Tricks to avoiding that kind of take away from the inks unfortunately (finer nibs, absorbent paper). Wanted to get a few under our belt first before expanding to other team members, but they're coming! - Colin
Colin, thanks for the reply. Ok, will have to stay away from these inks as being a side writer... But there are so many others to choose from that work for me.
I love sheening inks, and I’m a lefty side-writer. On Rhodia or Tomoe River paper, if I’m just a little bit careful, smudging isn’t a huge issue for me. But I’m willing to take a little smudge to get the beauty of the sheen! ;-)
Michael, thanks for the tip, might just pick one of these up to test. Agree that paper makes all the difference, currently using Rhodia which is what I can get locally (in Canada!)
What is a good notebook for sheen ink?
Our GPC Notebooks (www.gouletpens.com/goulet-notebooks/c/476 ) have Tomoe River paper in them which is ideal, but they might be too thin for everyday use. Rhodia & Clairefontaine are also good options. - Colin
I personally prefer sheen, since it doesn't threaten to clog the pen as much as the little particles of shimmer.
I don't need to add any more high maintenance items to my life. But I do love the teal color of the the J Herbin Emerald of Chivor. I neither need nor want the gold particulates. Could you recommend a non particulate ink that looks like the base color of the Emerald of Chivor?
I can't believe that I'm the only one who likes some of these shimmering inks for the color of the ink alone. You could do an episode where you identify non particulate equivalents for your subscribers.
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I like that idea. Not shimmering inks that are similar! For Emerald of Chivor, Monteverde California Teal is pretty close! We actually just did an ink review on it: blog.gouletpens.com/2018/02/monteverde-california-teal-ink-review . Robert Oster Peppermint is close too. - Colin
David Heverly. Hiya David, I like just the ink part of Emerald of Chivor and others. Try this, DON'T disturb the particulate, leave the bottle ready for the ink up. Leave it for a good half hour or so. Carefully, put the nib in so it will draw up the ink from the top and steadily operate the converter twist knob,dont disturb the particulate. OR.. Use a pipette or clean eye dropper and take off some ink from the top... You can dilute the ink a little bit because it is thick to support the particulate, you could even put some water back into the the bottle if you want to have the particulate in for future use... Be careful don't go mad with dilution just a bit, I put 5ml back in the BOTTLE but it can stand a little more. Dilute what you take off by just 1ml at a time. If you want to just buy the colour I think Iroshizuku make the colour. Go onto fountain pen network and put the question in the search box... Emerald of Chivor without particulate... That's where I found it.
Ok hope this helps you.
Best wishes
LeZc
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Thanks Colin. I'll get a sample the next time I order from you guys. Any other candidates for a possible match? After trying them out, I'll get a bottle.
David
Lez: Thanks for the suggestion. It seems rather involved. If Colin's recommendation regarding Monteverde California Teal is what I'm looking for, I'll go that route. It's a lot cheaper for almost twice the ink. It doesn't come with the nicer bottle, but I don't care if it comes in a mason jar.
Sheen is the result of the chemical products making up the ink drying up and crystallizing into nanocrystals on your paper, resulting in a "metallic" shine at certain angles where certain wavelengths of light matching the crystals are reflected off the facets of the nanocrystals. The more absorbant the paper, the more the ink is thinned out and pulled inside the paper, instead of crystallizing onto the surface of the paper where light can reach it therefore, not allowing sheen to show. Tomoe River all the way!!!
A contrasting "sheen" would seem to make the most sense if you're worried about security: a blue ink with a contrasting tone of red, for example, will NEVER get mistaken for a photocopy.
The issue with that is the lack of permanence on a lot of sheening inks. Not sure there are any! - Colin
Not gonna lie: I go balls to the wall with shimmer and I’ll throw it in anything, varying from my TWSBI eco to my Lamy 2000. I freaking love shimmer.
Stock them coppers! (Please. If you like. It would be lovely.)
What it the pen Drew uses for the writing sample? I liked the line width!!
That was a Nemosine Singularity with a 0.8mm stub nib I believe! (www.gouletpens.com/nemosine-singularity/c/539 ) - Colin
The Goulet Pen Company it looked like a Falcon- black body, stainless clip... I couldn’t tell what the mob was. I saw his clear Singularity in the beginning, but the pen I’m curious about is the one he used at 18:36...
Pretty certain that's a different Nemosine, Velvet Black maybe? (www.gouletpens.com/nemosine-singularity-fountain-pen-velvet-black-0.8mm-stub/p/NM-N9115 ). If you pause at 16:38, you can see 'Nemosine' on the band. - Colin
The Goulet Pen Company Colon, you’re the best, thank you! I didn’t realize Nemosine made a color like that. Thanks 👍🏻
Definitely prefer the sheen instead of the shimmer
As a former third grade teacher, I feel some sympathy for the third grade teacher that had the two of you egging each other on in class. 😉
Great fun to watch Drew and you interacting about pen topics.
Michael Simon from what I recall Drew was quite the class clown. I was an angel of course, haha! ;) -Brian
I don't think any amount of fanchy shmancy shine n shimmer n shimmy n rainbow deluxe could ever make me buy a yellow ink. Sorry guys. But I appreciate the effort =P
Well luckily there's hundreds of other colors! - Colin
Do I really have to choose? :D I refuse to XD
Also, copper glitter? Now that's a must!
Love the videos, but space them out! (1-2 a week). Keep us wanting more!
Man, Drew really wanted to share what he was drinking and he was denied twice!
Brian was not having it! - Colin
Be careful about telling people that sheening inks require less maintenance than shimmering inks as a rule. The Nitrogen Royal Blue and Henry David Thoreau Walden Pond Blue were both terribly hard to clean out of my pens, even after just a couple of days. They are so saturated that it's very difficult to clean. At least as much so as the shimmering inks I've tried.
Andrew Weinberg that’s a fair point. It definitely was a generalization -Brian
Where's Rachel?
mega evolution she had an appointment. We’ll bounce in and out of these things, it’ll get mixed up pretty good -Brian
Can you test sheening inks but in writing? This swiping has nothing to do with real writing!!!! Use fountain pen instead!!!!