Lab Coat 21: The Pay To Win Disease

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  • čas přidán 28. 06. 2022
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    This character represents a plague on DBFZ that needs curing.
    Special thanks to:
    Ulitma647, who is literally adjusting his mods at specifically my request, allowing me to expand the editing potential of these videos tenfold. A king.
    UltIMa647?ref_src...
    DinBenZo, who I found on CZcams during the production of this video, severely underrated channel. The dude makes literal hand drawn animations in his montages. It's incredible.
    MrTermiDA, my thumbnail artist.
    Tracks -
    (1) Lab Coat 21 Theme - DBFZ
    (2) Disaster of Passion Bossa Nova Cover - Akito Bass
  • Hry

Komentáře • 2,1K

  • @Lythero
    @Lythero Před 2 lety +2834

    "like god but for dbfz mods" YUP LOL

  • @TheOneWhoReportsForDuty
    @TheOneWhoReportsForDuty Před 2 lety +3277

    “The Best Move in the Game”
    Remember: The best Zoner in the game is also a Grappler and vise versa so this is high “praise.”

    • @MoldyBagel
      @MoldyBagel  Před 2 lety +584

      Yup

    • @leeyunxi4277
      @leeyunxi4277 Před 2 lety +72

      Very very high by that standard

    • @ohnice7824
      @ohnice7824 Před 2 lety +164

      @@MoldyBagel Need to remind you that thanks to the patch Broly can now full screen grab you when he fully charges up.

    • @bardockvegetable6377
      @bardockvegetable6377 Před 2 lety +31

      @@MoldyBagel the nerf grab can no longer be done in combos
      Edit: just saw the end

    • @yoshifan2334
      @yoshifan2334 Před 2 lety +61

      its an anti air unblockable reversal install debuffing comboable burst-starting super, AND IT ONLY COSTS 1 BAR

  • @justataco1776
    @justataco1776 Před 2 lety +1614

    21 actually studied the meta, holy shit
    It makes so much sense yet it's so evil

    • @ModernAegis
      @ModernAegis Před rokem +185

      What can I say? Scientist girl did her homework on the meta. She came with the strats and we all suffered for it.

    • @soleonshae8657
      @soleonshae8657 Před 10 měsíci +49

      The lab coat was not for show, she's been labbing since launch

  • @radiantseraph
    @radiantseraph Před 2 lety +2058

    Additional notes: She was released to sell a new movie which made her and her family canon.
    The patch removed her ability to use Photon grab in a combo.

    • @Charlie.G506
      @Charlie.G506 Před 2 lety +121

      Are ya talking about super hero? Or am i missing something

    • @admiralAlfonso9001
      @admiralAlfonso9001 Před rokem +58

      It makes me feel like they made them broken to force people to like the character

    • @simplysupreme1030
      @simplysupreme1030 Před rokem +351

      @@admiralAlfonso9001 nah people liked her before she even got a new character announced anyway. Not sure why they decided to just make her absolutely busted

    • @dodojesus4529
      @dodojesus4529 Před rokem +58

      @@simplysupreme1030 money

    • @inconspicuousrobot2685
      @inconspicuousrobot2685 Před rokem +19

      She’s still got everything else to abuse though

  • @SpookyPuky
    @SpookyPuky Před 2 lety +6385

    You know a character is nutty when their video is not only the longest on the channel, but is also longer than the video covering ALL the fusions.

    • @MoldyBagel
      @MoldyBagel  Před 2 lety +1465

      There was just so much BS on this character lmao

    • @titasjankunas.3685
      @titasjankunas.3685 Před 2 lety +226

      Now the fact he was gone for 3 months make more sense

    • @idonotknow8404
      @idonotknow8404 Před 2 lety +52

      Well actually the MW2 video is longer

    • @sumeetnerurkar344
      @sumeetnerurkar344 Před rokem +44

      @@MoldyBagel and they barely even nerfed her grab. Both of them. Yay.

    • @momomoore379
      @momomoore379 Před rokem +8

      That isnt fully true. He did not cover gotenks

  • @uriel134xdd2
    @uriel134xdd2 Před 2 lety +1553

    They are following a philosophy, though.
    _The base version of the same character will be stronger than the transformed version_

  • @amaulana090
    @amaulana090 Před rokem +416

    "hopefully namco learns from this"
    If anything I think they learned that the tactic definitely works and that they should probably try it again

    • @picahmad4035
      @picahmad4035 Před rokem +12

      Can't wait to see Moro be overpowered (he's in my top 3 fav villains at least until the 3/4 of the arc)

    • @dodojesus4529
      @dodojesus4529 Před rokem +50

      @@picahmad4035 he drains your meter with every hit(even blocks) and has a grab that disables supers and specials

    • @picahmad4035
      @picahmad4035 Před rokem +6

      @@dodojesus4529 100% agrees.but i hope it wont be his final form ,i really don't like it .

    • @thegk-verse4216
      @thegk-verse4216 Před rokem +13

      Yeah I don't like this sentence. It imply that namco didn't do it intentionally

    • @randomsamurai3855
      @randomsamurai3855 Před rokem +4

      Omega shenron casually bodying everyone lol

  • @bageltoo
    @bageltoo Před 2 lety +1012

    Props to Yasha for sticking to his team instead of choosing the flavor of the month

  • @t-virus7098
    @t-virus7098 Před 2 lety +2657

    She didn’t even get “nerfed,” she went from number 1 to… *checks notes* number 1

    • @beywheelzhater8930
      @beywheelzhater8930 Před rokem +495

      "My work here is done"
      "But you didn't even do anything?"

    • @Zorua3
      @Zorua3 Před rokem +127

      It’s still a nerf. It doesn’t have to move her down the tier list to be considered a nerf, it just has to make her a worse character.

    • @beywheelzhater8930
      @beywheelzhater8930 Před rokem +522

      @@Zorua3 congratulations you have now went from bringing a fully automatic firearm with a laser sight into a medieval duel to a fully automatic firearm with NO laser sight

    • @t-virus7098
      @t-virus7098 Před rokem +131

      @@Zorua3 I’m not saying shoot her leg, but that the nerfs really didn’t address the issue

    • @iJustWatchVideos4725
      @iJustWatchVideos4725 Před rokem +48

      lmao, this is exactly what Namco did with Bayonetta in smash 4. History loves to repeat itself

  • @blueblazeflame
    @blueblazeflame Před 2 lety +3798

    Gohan popping up legitimately caught me off-guard, this editing is godlike

  • @Skel_fgc
    @Skel_fgc Před 2 lety +229

    I’ve been saying it since she dropped, that grab super actively moves your character down the tier list because of how important damage is in this game. She’s the only character in the game who can DROP YOUR CHARACTER DOWN THE TIER LIST MID GAME

  • @blockhead134
    @blockhead134 Před rokem +315

    >titled "pay to win disease"
    >has an ad for Raid
    In order to study a disease, you must risk becoming a vector

    • @zetsubanned4308
      @zetsubanned4308 Před rokem +24

      Nothing turns my brain off and closes the tab quicker than that showing up

    • @mrosskne
      @mrosskne Před rokem +4

      you guys see ads?

    • @Mahdi12
      @Mahdi12 Před rokem +5

      @@mrosskne I think he means the sponsor

    • @mrosskne
      @mrosskne Před rokem +25

      @@Mahdi12 you guys see sponsor segments?

    • @IHaveNpIdea
      @IHaveNpIdea Před rokem

      Vaccines cannot be proven effective without human testing, as Doctor Southam would say

  • @Imstillhangintherethankgod
    @Imstillhangintherethankgod Před 2 lety +1357

    I hate the fact that A21 put on clothes and became broken
    Also, 2 of DBFZ's most broken characters have been Androids. Dr. Gero really knew his stuff

    • @Wolfedge75
      @Wolfedge75 Před 2 lety +389

      Gotta respect Gero for being such a family man.
      He made his wife & son the cream of the crop amongst the various killing machines he’s made, including himself.

    • @holdthis3545
      @holdthis3545 Před 2 lety +76

      Historically every single Android in the game has been top tier at some point (if we care to consider 18 good enough to be a top tier now)

    • @elijahpadilla5083
      @elijahpadilla5083 Před 2 lety +99

      @@holdthis3545 Considering that there's still room for Gero himself to be added to the game, I now have one fear.

    • @_ZamasuYT
      @_ZamasuYT Před rokem +47

      Don’t forget Cell in season 1 was broke af

    • @Deathmare235
      @Deathmare235 Před rokem +1

      Tbf they are the main characters in the story and were essentially made for it

  • @GutsuCoffee
    @GutsuCoffee Před 2 lety +1571

    Namco also proved to be troublesome in their DLC characters for Tekken 7. Leroy was truly unruly and it was a shock to see such a character in Tekken.

    • @Dasaltwarrior
      @Dasaltwarrior Před 2 lety +135

      Even Capcom got in on the trend with Luke apparently upheaving SF5, though not quite to the same degree

    • @tobydunn7240
      @tobydunn7240 Před 2 lety +6

      Negans a beast too

    • @MusicoftheDamned
      @MusicoftheDamned Před 2 lety +95

      To be fair, in the case of Leroy, it seems to have been at least partly intentional *spite* from Harada himself--EDIT: at least for his part in the character's development--instead of pure greed. Still not okay, but at least in that case the (main) motivation was provably not greed even if it was something at least as petty.

    • @thisismynew
      @thisismynew Před 2 lety +79

      @@tobydunn7240 negans more of a scrub killer, but every character released recently have been problem, Lidia and Fahk were both considered to be top 1 until their nerfs and Kuni is a top tier who’s small model basically makes her non existent most of the time

    • @ammadeopierrep1e787
      @ammadeopierrep1e787 Před 2 lety +12

      O yeah and also fahkumram remember that guy

  • @Not-Kirbo2
    @Not-Kirbo2 Před 2 lety +644

    Let's take a moment to appreciate that this man played the whole entire story mode just so he can have regular android 21 for footage

    • @zenith5889
      @zenith5889 Před rokem +115

      You don't have to play the whole story to get 21, you can just buy her at the capsule summoning place.

    • @KodaThePsyduck
      @KodaThePsyduck Před rokem +13

      ​@@zenith5889 what...

    • @zenith5889
      @zenith5889 Před rokem +74

      @@KodaThePsyduck The place where you buy z capsules and character lobby skins.

    • @wanderingmarshadow
      @wanderingmarshadow Před rokem +27

      Y'know, at first I thought this meant like the CGs and stuff during the edits and whatnot.

    • @IHaveNpIdea
      @IHaveNpIdea Před rokem +21

      @@zenith5889 I’m also fairly certain you can just outright buy her for a few dollars, haven’t checked in a while tho

  • @justafanboy3968
    @justafanboy3968 Před 2 lety +257

    The idea that she nerfs you for the entire match and not even for set time is pretty insane.

    • @justamugofcoco
      @justamugofcoco Před rokem +26

      I think it's fine imo for her to nerf damage, but I think the best way to balance it is to either A. Just decrease damage for limited time without buffing her damage, B. Just buffer her damage for a limited time, or C. Keep it the way it is but when you tag out the debuff is gone, same with switching her out with a dragon rush swap

    • @acecun6202
      @acecun6202 Před 11 měsíci +19

      @@justamugofcocoThe fact that she’s the only character with a debuff and it affects all aspects of the opponent’s damage options alone is enough for it to be removed. It’s a ridiculous mechanic of the game.

    • @liviekumori
      @liviekumori Před 10 měsíci +8

      On top of nerfing your damage she can even HEAL, what the hell was this character

    • @ultimaterecoil1136
      @ultimaterecoil1136 Před 9 měsíci

      Not really. Why nerf the damage when you can tod the opponent off a kii blast for 3 bars with zamastu? Why choose to try to make use of a debuff when you can just kill

    • @icynoizy8133
      @icynoizy8133 Před 6 měsíci

      ​@@ultimaterecoil1136haha, gogeta blue raw super go brrrrrrr

  • @swagzagoon2596
    @swagzagoon2596 Před 2 lety +1510

    I literally looked at this character day one and thought "I mean... this doesn't look that bad as some other dlc fighters." and then I started seeing the videos that explained her better than my brain did and I just thought "Jesus f*cking christ who at Arc and Bandai smoked what and can I have some?"

    • @leeyunxi4277
      @leeyunxi4277 Před 2 lety +44

      Look at leroy, fahkumram, lidia, ganyu from tekken. Then look back to this. Oh yeah, is definitely bandai works.
      (Is just a joke, I am pretty sure bandai doesn't exactly make these characters, it was the dev team. Is just, you would think after leroy from tekken, bandai will take notice on the character they dev team is putting out, so that another busted character won't happen again. But I guess they are allowing it then)

    • @egekazkayas8968
      @egekazkayas8968 Před 2 lety +28

      @@leeyunxi4277 as a fahk main he was even worse than Leroy on release so Bandai technically did the same shit twice in the same game

    • @doombringer7843
      @doombringer7843 Před 2 lety +12

      The same people who made vegito blues 5L and every armored z broly special im sure

    • @dragonmaster3030
      @dragonmaster3030 Před 2 lety +1

      @@doombringer7843 as a vegito main I must ask what's wrong with 5l

    • @dragonmaster3030
      @dragonmaster3030 Před 2 lety +3

      @Carlos Gabriel if we nerf vegito then we give z broly infinite super armor and A Gohan lv 7 for his first buff instead of 7

  • @Dasaltwarrior
    @Dasaltwarrior Před 2 lety +282

    "Step on me mommy" was one of the best mix ups I've ever gotten hit by, not even mad that I laughed

    • @Wolfedge75
      @Wolfedge75 Před 2 lety +31

      Comedy mix-ups: my favorite kind of mix-up.

    • @laeva495
      @laeva495 Před 2 lety +29

      Second only to "What's good my NINGEN"

    • @crackersandpie136
      @crackersandpie136 Před 2 lety +14

      @@laeva495 ah yes,the Gary-Roshi special!

  • @Exceed_HS
    @Exceed_HS Před 2 lety +911

    I know that there’s a common misconception about Brawl Meta Knight being banned, because in the end he was never banned since basically 75% of players played Meta Knight, no one would wanna play tournaments, which included Japanese players. So it was up to TOs to say whether he was banned or not. So because TOs wanted people to actually go to Brawl Tournaments, most tournaments never banned him
    So Labcoat 21 getting banned this fast already outclassed Brawl Meta Knight

    • @DarkkirbyKRPG
      @DarkkirbyKRPG Před 2 lety +157

      Meta Knight technically did get banned, it's just that the backlash and decrease of players would be so massive that they had to leave it to the TOs. An optional ban, if you will.
      I still agree LC21 outclasses Meta Knight though.

    • @-zawarudo-2684
      @-zawarudo-2684 Před rokem +30

      Well one is a game in which you only control one character while the other is a game in which you can easily compensate for a character since you control three.

    • @Zorua3
      @Zorua3 Před rokem +47

      He was banned in many tournaments and regions, it just wasn’t universal.

    • @ricardoludwig4787
      @ricardoludwig4787 Před rokem +18

      You're correct on your history but banning a character in a team game simply isn't the same as doing so in one where you play a single character, it's much more pheasible both for the player's to recover and go justify to everyone

    • @jakelee7083
      @jakelee7083 Před rokem +7

      @@ricardoludwig4787 "Pheasible"

  • @brigadermovies
    @brigadermovies Před rokem +100

    I love how you use the intro in these videos to establish who the sandbag is going to be for demonstration purposes

  • @smithsmithony5401
    @smithsmithony5401 Před 2 lety +2295

    Competitve players will want to buy her because she's top tier
    Casual players will want to buy her because of booba
    It's a win-win for everybody.

    • @SuperFusionAJ93
      @SuperFusionAJ93 Před 2 lety +250

      She also wears glasses that alone is a huge W.

    • @felipo_galaxy1853
      @felipo_galaxy1853 Před 2 lety +55

      except for poor people

    • @DarkPriest2288
      @DarkPriest2288 Před 2 lety +218

      @@SuperFusionAJ93 Glasses are really versatile. First, you can have glasses-wearing girls take them off and suddenly become beautiful, or have girls wearing glasses flashing those cute grins, or have girls stealing the protagonist's glasses and putting them on like, "Haha, got your glasses!' That's just way too cute! Also, boys with glasses! I really like when their glasses have that suspicious looking gleam, and it's amazing how it can look really cool or just be a joke. I really like how it can fulfill all those abstract needs. Being able to switch up the styles and colors of glasses based on your mood is a lot of fun too! It's actually so much fun! You have those half rim glasses, or the thick frame glasses, everything! It's like you're enjoying all these kinds of glasses at a buffet. I really want Luna to try some on or Marine to try some on to replace her eyepatch. We really need glasses to become a thing in hololive and start selling them for HoloComi. Don't. You. Think. We. Really. Need. To. Officially. Give. Everyone. Glasses?

    • @yof2210
      @yof2210 Před 2 lety +95

      @@DarkPriest2288 Godangit I knew that copy pasta was coming

    • @MilhSpears
      @MilhSpears Před 2 lety +51

      @@DarkPriest2288 Eyebags and tired eyes looks are better. I'm not taking criticism on this one.

  • @Echolovania
    @Echolovania Před 2 lety +727

    The stomp bit was honestly as funny as the "Who decided to let this character have TWO AIRDASHES" bit.

  • @Khyon521
    @Khyon521 Před 2 lety +121

    Who knew that taking away the Majin would make her MORE Dangerous…

  • @Spyrocrab
    @Spyrocrab Před rokem +38

    I’m sure it’s been said, but the irony of RAID being advertised on a video about pay 2 win is thicker than Broly’s shoulders.

  • @aclonymous
    @aclonymous Před 2 lety +739

    the camera shifts look so good, ultima's actually insane

  • @ThatWolfArrow
    @ThatWolfArrow Před 2 lety +849

    The whole "Broken on purpose" thing isn't even exclusive to DBFZ. If you utter the names Leroy or Fakhurahm around a Tekken 7 player, you'll strike fear into their salt filled hearts.
    This is a very deliberate tactic, likely from the suits higher up at Bandai Namco.

    • @grayoso1828
      @grayoso1828 Před 2 lety +84

      Smash has had that too. Bayo in smash 4 and Joker in smash U were only 3 steps behind meta knight at one point, and it showed.

    • @nameynamd9212
      @nameynamd9212 Před 2 lety +127

      @@grayoso1828 Bayo I get, but I thought it was Arsene that made Joker so explosive, so wouldn't Kazuya be a better comparison as he supposedly could take a stock off of anything.

    • @MoldyBagel
      @MoldyBagel  Před 2 lety +205

      Its so damn wack

    • @grayoso1828
      @grayoso1828 Před 2 lety +34

      @@nameynamd9212 True, although at that point, a character that is "If I survive x seconds you lose at least 1 stock" is still really, REALLY good. Although I stopped following the meta past Banjo, so I didn't know Kazuya was that good.

    • @charper1439
      @charper1439 Před 2 lety +37

      notice how these games are related to bandai namco too.

  • @freyawanmei
    @freyawanmei Před rokem +55

    Arc Sys has a thing for scientist character, back to Blazblue Chronophantasma, Kokonoe was banned too, if you were hit once, you were trap to infinite blockstrings to an unblockable to death

  • @AntGod562
    @AntGod562 Před rokem +16

    7:41 I was completely expecting him for the text to say “she’s the only one who can win in the situation except” and then the first note of the ultra instinct theme starts playing

  • @Wolfedge75
    @Wolfedge75 Před 2 lety +699

    Between telling Piccolo to go “harder” and this whole “step on me” schtick, is there something you’re not willing to admit, Gohan?
    Also: When the the 1st form of a boss character (Labcoat) feels more like a “Final Boss” than the 2nd one (Majin).

    • @reerodriguez9686
      @reerodriguez9686 Před 2 lety +21

      Well he was being wipped while he was learning 😏

    • @Memecious
      @Memecious Před 2 lety +1

      czcams.com/video/J55WNzIRIUM/video.html
      Finally it's here

    • @rickrolled3666
      @rickrolled3666 Před 2 lety

      czcams.com/video/LY5H57awwOc/video.html
      Finally it's here YES

    • @bibleblk
      @bibleblk Před 2 lety +24

      Fight harder, Mr. Piccolo.. -Gohan
      Ohh ok, back to the choking. -Garlic Jr.
      Nahhhh it's weird now, you made it weird Gohan. -Piccolo

    • @MegaMachiOnline
      @MegaMachiOnline Před 2 lety +3

      But does the majin have cell prints?

  • @ItsThatRayGuy
    @ItsThatRayGuy Před 2 lety +396

    Even after the nerfs, she's still looking hella strong. Idk why they thought a debuff super in a fighting game is ok

    • @TheOneWhoReportsForDuty
      @TheOneWhoReportsForDuty Před 2 lety +133

      Honestly, I think the idea is cool but just outright 21% because you didn’t do the right thing is to much.

    • @ItsThatRayGuy
      @ItsThatRayGuy Před 2 lety +75

      @@TheOneWhoReportsForDuty fair out right doing 1/5 less damage is crazy, plus it isn't timed and can't get rid of it once applied

    • @SchAlternate
      @SchAlternate Před 2 lety +130

      @@TheOneWhoReportsForDuty It being permanent is the biggest issue imo

    • @sirEthereal
      @sirEthereal Před 2 lety +13

      on the bright side she can't step into combo anymore. So debuff won't be easy to get, we just have to react to it on pressure now

    • @Sean-wv7wl
      @Sean-wv7wl Před 2 lety +33

      @@sirEthereal still probably the biggest mind game in DBFZ with all those lows, a life steal grab and a very fast lvl 1

  • @GrokeytheHunter
    @GrokeytheHunter Před rokem +112

    Honestly wanted this character as a skin for 21...Bandai gave us this

    • @korhol2065
      @korhol2065 Před rokem +22

      It’s like getting a cake but they put too many layers and it won’t fit in the door

  • @maximuffin6395
    @maximuffin6395 Před rokem +13

    7:00 DID SHE HIT YOU WITH HER PRIVILEGE?!

  • @dragneel3458
    @dragneel3458 Před 2 lety +401

    Arcsys: "We dreamed of making the world's strongest DBFZ character...and we succeeded."

  • @rag3-shearodjr276
    @rag3-shearodjr276 Před 2 lety +270

    And when the world needed him most he returned

  • @cjtherandomizer7638
    @cjtherandomizer7638 Před 2 lety +143

    10:22 what’s crazy is that Meta Knight was never banned from big tournaments, just part of a suggested rule set for brawl tournaments. The reason it didn’t go into effect was that Japanese players wouldn’t go to Apex (the biggest smash tournament at the time) if they couldn’t use MK. Lab Coat 21 is just entirely different. I haven’t payed attention to her that much because I’ve gotten into other games than DBFZ and busy with my personal, I knew she was good but not this good.

  • @leonardoherrera9052
    @leonardoherrera9052 Před rokem +7

    Bruh the raid shadow legends sponsorship is more of a disease than 21

  • @illuminoir3001
    @illuminoir3001 Před 2 lety +269

    Labcoat 21 is so busted that she forced Bagel to finally unlock a character he didn't even want for free.

    • @MoldyBagel
      @MoldyBagel  Před 2 lety +165

      Turns out you can buy her in the in game shop

    • @PomadaGaming
      @PomadaGaming Před 2 lety +7

      @@MoldyBagel s’what I did too

    • @deletodraw1944
      @deletodraw1944 Před rokem +4

      *Laughs in Fighterz pass*

    • @CGR0620
      @CGR0620 Před rokem +3

      Jesus was the story mode really that god awful? Like how bad are we talking here?

    • @superstardoughball9822
      @superstardoughball9822 Před rokem +9

      @@CGR0620 imagine playing against the same ai over and over with little variance in fighters, unnecessary board like progression, a story that's meh at best, no autosaves for 7 hours at least

  • @ashenxenos3135
    @ashenxenos3135 Před 2 lety +292

    5:45 I was NOT expecting Gohan there suddenly LOL
    It's insane how strong LC21 was right out the gate. There's always strong characters blah blah blah but she's one of only a handful characters in recent years that outright made the game WORSE.

    • @GlitchanBlack
      @GlitchanBlack Před rokem

      God, and I though Season 3 Lapis (aka 17) was broken as fuck (seriously, he could do a TOUCH OF DEATH).

    • @brucelston
      @brucelston Před rokem +3

      bayonetta

  • @guiltytrigger1625
    @guiltytrigger1625 Před rokem +5

    The tournament is over now in 2023, came back to this video after so much disappointment, she still unbalanced.

  • @zangalus2005
    @zangalus2005 Před rokem +6

    "The Pay to Win Disease"
    Raid Shadow Legends ad at the very beginning of the video. Oh the irony...

  • @wnihaunter3943
    @wnihaunter3943 Před 2 lety +257

    big ups to yasha for sticking to his team, true legend right there

  • @demi-femme4821
    @demi-femme4821 Před 2 lety +234

    On any other character, -21% would be the justification for being trash because it's basically a win condition.
    On this monstrosity, it's instant Pet Shop tier.

    • @killminewin4733
      @killminewin4733 Před rokem +21

      Heritage For The Future reference. Nice

    • @holl7w
      @holl7w Před rokem +3

      @@killminewin4733 JoJo reference

    • @stooge5299
      @stooge5299 Před rokem +11

      Do not say that God damn name please I beg you

    • @lordscourge9395
      @lordscourge9395 Před rokem +1

      Dear lord

    • @dodojesus4529
      @dodojesus4529 Před rokem +3

      A charcter would need to be build around this MASSIVE nerf. She isnt

  • @m00teronyoutube
    @m00teronyoutube Před 2 lety +36

    i love this video. what's so funny is that despite the nerfs she just received, the only immediately outdated part of this is the grab's insanity, and even then.. it's still a quick command grab, she's never gonna not be a problem

  • @beancheesedip8337
    @beancheesedip8337 Před 2 lety +128

    Seeing characters like this always confuse me, since there's so many easy ways to nerf LC21 while also leaving her as a strong character. Casuals will still wanna buy the character for... aesthetic purposes, and more hardcore players will want to buy her as she's got a really good toolkit, but doesn't steamroll the entire roster for literally no reason. It also continues to confuse me how bad Arcsys keeps fucking up on zoning. They're either Frieza levels of bad, or they're an entirely different archetype that also happens to have the best zoning tools. Like, Z Broly has some of the best zoning tools despite being a fucking grappler with super armor on almost every option. LC21 has great zoning options while also being a rushdown. It makes absolutely no sense.
    There's easy ways to nerf her, imo, while still leaving her identity as a character intact. Like, the 21% damage debuff could easily only last until a character is downed on either team and the "next round," so to speak, starts. That still allows the character to have her own unique design choice, while being balanced around the aggressive playstyle that Arcsys created and be balanced around the strong comeback mechanics that the game uses. Or hell, maybe even only make it until the character is switched out, that way an entire team can't be nerfed all at once. Not nearly as strong, granted, but still forces your opponent to want to switch, meaning they can easily be baited into a punishable switch. However, it also allows your opponent to handle the debuff if they're smart and stay calm.
    How about only her vertical lariat is immune to ki blasts while her horizontal one isn't? Or vice versa, whichever one makes the most sense. Maybe the "step on me mommy" special should only be available as an EX option, that way you're forced to spend bar to continue combos, or maybe it should be considered a super and take a full bar. Still a powerful tool for maintaining combos and getting extra damage, but isn't literally free.

    • @mafyboy0420
      @mafyboy0420 Před 2 lety +21

      That would be how most combo extensions work in most of FGC such as BBtags Ragna's death scythe except terumi in bbcf (99 b i think) and lab 21

    • @mrosskne
      @mrosskne Před rokem +4

      why should there be a damage debuff attack in the game at all?

    • @beancheesedip8337
      @beancheesedip8337 Před rokem +9

      @@mrosskne that's a good question, but you could argue that it'd be to sell the DLC character. I generally dislike a character that has such a powerful ability, but it's unique and, with some tweaks, wouldn't necessarily be super op. It'd almost definitely put her in the top teir almost immediately based on that alone, unless she was really bad, but it didn't necessarily have to be broken.

    • @mrosskne
      @mrosskne Před rokem +10

      @@beancheesedip8337 Not what I was asking. Does the inclusion of the ability improve the game? Was the game worse or less interesting before it was added? If the ability does improve the game, is the improvement significant enough to offset the amount of gameplay degeneracy it introduces?

    • @RacingSnails64
      @RacingSnails64 Před rokem

      Yeah good ideas

  • @bingusshlingus1442
    @bingusshlingus1442 Před 2 lety +53

    bandai really said "My oc is the COOLEST,STRONGEST,BESTEST OF THEM ALL, FRICK YOU >:(" before the recent patch
    honestly, I ain't even mad, I'd do the same lmao

  • @beo9057
    @beo9057 Před 2 lety +95

    Honestly, when I saw the 21% debuff at release, I thought it was a joke. P2W letsgo!

    • @CyanicCore
      @CyanicCore Před 2 lety +1

      just got the number thing...
      🤦‍♂️

  • @isaiahryan9123
    @isaiahryan9123 Před 2 lety +27

    I’m glad you addressed how hard it is to avoid her debuff grab-some people just hop into training mode and dodge *just* the grab without any mix ups or set up at all and say they don’t understand why people are complaining about it- and it also gave more clarity to me as to why she’s so broken. Damn 21 how come your mom lets you have 6 lows?

  • @manuellermanda4329
    @manuellermanda4329 Před rokem +2

    5:39 I legit was saying " the big momma step" Gohan caught me off guard i'm dead 💀

  • @Ankrusa
    @Ankrusa Před 2 lety +341

    Okay, no joke, that first minute of the video is THE COOLEST thing I have ever seen from DBFZ content creation. That fight scene got me chills, and the video "didn't even start yet." Massive respect to not only that, but using the new Camera Mod with such efficiency. The quality of this is BEYOND great, and you are an actual inspiration.
    5:45 - I mean is he wrong
    8:03 - The debuff was an actual menace to this game's... everything. The meta, its fanbase, the characters in it. I feared this game would die due to this one move. Good thing hArcSys said they would do more updates. The MetaKnight analogy as well as average tournament time fact really put into perspective how scary this one abomination of a move could be.

    • @SCARLiT55
      @SCARLiT55 Před 2 lety

      Yoo the funny fighterZ man has graced us with his presence :D

    • @PomadaGaming
      @PomadaGaming Před rokem

      he is wrong

  • @Kirbbo
    @Kirbbo Před 2 lety +16

    “Fighterz this is the 7th month in a row you’ve shown an op DLC character in class.”

    • @TackyTakkew
      @TackyTakkew Před 2 lety +2

      "are we excluding Jiren"

    • @lapotato9140
      @lapotato9140 Před 2 lety

      i can excuse op dlc characters, but i draw the line at op dlc characters.

  • @malignantpootis213
    @malignantpootis213 Před rokem +21

    "Lab Coat 21 was made broken on purpose"
    *Laughs in UMVC3 Vergil*

    • @Flinch9000
      @Flinch9000 Před rokem +1

      Maximilian Dood sold his soul to play as Vergil in order to beat SNK Galactus

  • @mutantraze3681
    @mutantraze3681 Před 6 měsíci +2

    Literally every season is a new hard meta character. Bardock S1, Gt Ratku S2, UI goku S3, and pan coat S4. Never a base character thats truly broken

  • @blooddemon3379
    @blooddemon3379 Před 2 lety +54

    Lol that little bit at the end of Lab coat seeing her nerfs had me grinning ear to ear

    • @ken7007
      @ken7007 Před 2 lety

      You won't be for long cause it didn't do shit

    • @VelvetVelva
      @VelvetVelva Před rokem

      Honestly same

    • @FumanyuX
      @FumanyuX Před rokem +6

      Sad thing she is still the most broken character in the game...
      AFTER the nerfs.

  • @CacoPholey
    @CacoPholey Před 2 lety +29

    As someone who's a huge fan of lab coat 21's design and wanted her playable for a long time, please just nerf this woman

    • @crackersandpie136
      @crackersandpie136 Před 2 lety +16

      Please just nerf her into a state where I can play her without feeling horrible for my opponent.

    • @megablueflash1816
      @megablueflash1816 Před 2 lety +6

      @@crackersandpie136 Yeah, as long as they nerf her to the point where she's still good but in the "this doesn't feel like cheating anymore" good.
      Inb4 they go overboard and nerf her to the ground...

    • @crackersandpie136
      @crackersandpie136 Před 2 lety

      @@megablueflash1816 She’s a dlc character so they’ll probably pull a GT on her,which will suck.

  • @hankj.wimbleton438
    @hankj.wimbleton438 Před 2 lety +8

    12:14
    She was so shocked her glasses magically re-appeared

  • @Slykie
    @Slykie Před rokem +4

    And 8 months later Steve gets banned in ultimate. I wonder who’s next.

  • @TrickyJinjo
    @TrickyJinjo Před 2 lety +55

    Your videos are always a treat, I seriously wish other fighting game you tubers made vids as informative and easy to watch as you do

  • @conlinmckay1742
    @conlinmckay1742 Před 2 lety +62

    Damn amazing. Your presentation and gameplay analysis is on point. Thank you for this great video.

  • @jonathandear4914
    @jonathandear4914 Před rokem +17

    I will admit I mainly purchased LC21 since I wanted to play as a "good" version of A21, since the default version outside of the story is her evil version, and I really like personality of her good version in the story.
    I had no idea she was this purposefully broken however, its nuts.
    Impressive presentation and showcasing of your points too btw, both entertaining and very insightful.

  • @gunlancegodaurel1361
    @gunlancegodaurel1361 Před rokem +10

    And then she got nerfed...
    ...from the best character of the game to the best character of the game but nerfed

  • @HeavenTaker
    @HeavenTaker Před 2 lety +16

    Not to mention that android 21 is like if Tekken decided to involve their move set into just ONE CHARACTER

  • @KylePBF178
    @KylePBF178 Před 2 lety +35

    Honestly, Omega Shenron could have been a much cooler (and balanced) character to make a DLC. He’s got tons of reference material and potential gimmicks, so he could have made it in and added more. Of course, this is just my opinion, you all can disagree if you choose.

    • @MoldyBagel
      @MoldyBagel  Před 2 lety +38

      They coulda just added him too. Still plenty of characters could be added

    • @SuperFusionAJ93
      @SuperFusionAJ93 Před 2 lety +5

      Android 13 as well

    • @KylePBF178
      @KylePBF178 Před 2 lety +1

      @@SuperFusionAJ93 hell yeah!

    • @KylePBF178
      @KylePBF178 Před 2 lety

      @@MoldyBagel Tbh, it’s a bit uncertain if they will. There are rumors that this most recent patch could be the last one.

    • @Dabajaws
      @Dabajaws Před 2 lety +5

      I've been begging for Omega in a game like this ever since i picked up xenoverse 2 and went "this feels like it should be cooler than what i'm seeing."

  • @wildrussiansnake8978
    @wildrussiansnake8978 Před 2 lety +17

    The way of representing how she is literally the best character was amazing story telling.

  • @CrimsonWolfStudios
    @CrimsonWolfStudios Před rokem +30

    Bandai Namco had something similar happen with Leroy and Fakuhm where both were obscenely broken. Leroy had versions of key moves from other characters, but they were BETTER than the ones on those characters. It makes me wonder how much of this stuff is really an "accident"

  • @fluuh3093
    @fluuh3093 Před 2 lety +16

    0:50 This is as close as Moldy'll ever be to playing the Story Mode💀

  • @SuperFusionAJ93
    @SuperFusionAJ93 Před 2 lety +11

    5:39
    The Best OTG is a Fucking Internet's Fetish!

    • @MoldyBagel
      @MoldyBagel  Před 2 lety +5

      World is a fuck

    • @SkyREX4LIF3
      @SkyREX4LIF3 Před rokem

      Caus everyone get cucked

    • @Blood-Kain
      @Blood-Kain Před rokem +3

      The most famous fucking internets fetish is the best OTG.

  • @TheMinitarantula
    @TheMinitarantula Před rokem +10

    I just want to say I love your videos. I don't even play DBFZ anymore, but there's something about your videos that are so incredibly entertaining despite that.

  • @darkone.....2699
    @darkone.....2699 Před rokem +6

    Seriously, the editing is so good I can't fucking tell what's gameplay and whats editing until some funny shit that's completely out of character happens

  • @mr.colors449
    @mr.colors449 Před 2 lety +7

    It's just the fact that the game was centered around this original character and wasn't even available from the jump 😵‍💫

  • @Hyper_Nova324
    @Hyper_Nova324 Před 2 lety +11

    I missed these videos, they're always so fun and interesting to watch 😊

  • @jabarithegoldenlucario8841

    Well. Now, Lab Coat 21 has received a good amount of nerfs. Her spins are now registered as Ki Blasts and can be reflected when blocked and 21 now has a whopping 50% CUT TO HER METER GAIN.

  • @mappybc6097
    @mappybc6097 Před 2 lety +3

    In DBS super hero it's revealed no 21 is based on Dr. Gero's wife, Vomi.
    Yep, the character is literally named after vomit, you can't make this stuff up.

  • @negativeiquser5295
    @negativeiquser5295 Před 2 lety +6

    4:45 love how the invinsibility is shown by t posing

  • @rigistroni
    @rigistroni Před 2 lety +15

    I think a lot of people complain about fighting game characters too much but Lab Coat 21 it's definitely justified. When the game would genuinely be better without a character you KNOW they suck. Even post patch she's ass

    • @MoldyBagel
      @MoldyBagel  Před 2 lety +4

      Yep

    • @rigistroni
      @rigistroni Před 2 lety

      @@MoldyBagel love the content dude, keep up the good work

  • @ShinyGBZ
    @ShinyGBZ Před rokem +1

    Your editing is genuinely so impressive, I love your content creation style

  • @Smileface2144
    @Smileface2144 Před rokem

    I absolutely love your editing style a lot! love your videos, binge watching em' all!

  • @GrayderFox
    @GrayderFox Před 2 lety +18

    They seem to have already learned quite well. It makes money, so they'll keep doing it. Not touching DBFZ 2 with a ten-foot-pole if that's the case, but it is really cool to learn about it through these videos. They don't need to be this well-edited, but I'm glad they are. Just uh...get, get some sleep, yeah? :D;

  • @julian6867
    @julian6867 Před 2 lety +6

    The legend has returned. Also that animation at the start was firE 🔥

  • @Aflay1
    @Aflay1 Před 2 lety +54

    "Namco-Bandai, this is not okay."
    N-B: How does this effect us?
    "It's shady business practice and people will look down on you as a company"
    N-B: *I missed the part where that's my problem.*

  • @KiTho06
    @KiTho06 Před rokem +4

    i dont even play this Game and never really watched any Videos to it before.
    Yet i still got this Video recommended and watched it fully.
    You Sir, did a great Job at keeping me interested.

  • @basedjrock
    @basedjrock Před 2 lety +9

    I genuinely believe that, completely opposite of the "Buy my DLC theory", Arcsys truly wanted to make their OC as busted as possible. Not to mention the characters' being referenced in other pieces of lore and such. I'm sure Bamco saw it as an opportunity to make tons of money though, prolly made it easier to greenlight

    • @MoldyBagel
      @MoldyBagel  Před 2 lety +5

      Was 21 purely Arcsys' OC? Didn't Toriyama design the character? I'm not certain.

    • @basedjrock
      @basedjrock Před 2 lety +5

      Tbh my impression was that they wanted an OC and Toriyama drew it, kinda like SSJ4

    • @lukejones7164
      @lukejones7164 Před rokem +2

      @@MoldyBagel Toriyama designed Android 21 but it was ArcSys that came up with her lore

  • @Mangoscats
    @Mangoscats Před 2 lety +8

    I’ve been waiting for so long for this especially after someone else did this

  • @GameKing972
    @GameKing972 Před rokem +3

    raid shadow legend sponsoring a video titled "the p2w disease" is hilarious and no one shall say otherwise

  • @dungeondice2331
    @dungeondice2331 Před rokem +3

    I don't even play this game and still sit here like "Yeah, this makes sense".
    Srsly, your videos are amazing. Everything is very well explained. And the editing is superb. Even makes me want to learn DBFZ.

  • @sixwings6932
    @sixwings6932 Před 2 lety +3

    Even though you're one of the smallest channels I'm subscribed to, your videos are always among my most anticipated. Thanks for being alive.

    • @MoldyBagel
      @MoldyBagel  Před 2 lety +3

      You're welcome. Sometimes being alive be hard lol

    • @sixwings6932
      @sixwings6932 Před 2 lety +1

      @@MoldyBagel I feel that my man.

  • @donnaabbott2079
    @donnaabbott2079 Před rokem +3

    Man gohan being a simp and a nerd in these videos are hilarious, especially this time 5:37

  • @swanlord4292
    @swanlord4292 Před 2 lety +1

    Dude your INTROS keep me more entertained than some of the fights in the actual show😭. Great video as always, and keep up the stellar work!

  • @Arachninja752
    @Arachninja752 Před 2 lety +22

    Lab Coat 21 actually made me drop FighterZ.
    I usually take a break from it whenever a DLC character gets released, just because I KNOW I'm only gonna see that character online and I'm gonna get sick of them VERY quickly. I did the same thing for 21 at first, but then hearing about how blatantly broken she was just made me not wanna come back until it got fixed.

    • @Dabajaws
      @Dabajaws Před 2 lety +6

      I just want to play janemba and i can't even touch the game, 13 matches in a row i found a lab coat 21 and i just can't deal

    • @KyRex1783
      @KyRex1783 Před rokem +2

      Yeah, I'm dropping it too. I hope this game fucking burns

    • @GlitchanBlack
      @GlitchanBlack Před rokem +1

      I stopped playing it even before she dropped. Guess I made the right choice - I don't want to make others suffer with 17's touch of death.

    • @mrosskne
      @mrosskne Před rokem +2

      why would you buy a fighting game if you're not playing it with friends and banning the broken shit by agreement?

    • @Arachninja752
      @Arachninja752 Před rokem +3

      ​@@mrosskne Because I love fighting games, but I don't have any friends who like fighting games. :(

  • @mastrsonic375
    @mastrsonic375 Před 2 lety +17

    5:46
    FUCKING LMFAO
    I LEGIT FUCKING DIED

  • @johnpaulcross424
    @johnpaulcross424 Před 2 lety +4

    Long have I waited for this day, and I have not been disappointed.

  • @bees3707
    @bees3707 Před 2 lety +3

    The whole opening was the coolest thing I've seen you make. Honestly felt like something out of the show.

  • @Jaddoc
    @Jaddoc Před 2 lety +6

    5:55
    Cooler gain that proper on the most recent patch and honestly i felt that makes much sense

  • @MattOrSomethin
    @MattOrSomethin Před 2 lety +3

    New Bagel video let's go!
    P.S: That intro fight was good editing. Keep it up!

  • @Mixedplayers
    @Mixedplayers Před 2 lety +3

    Always producing quality content for us.
    Thank you bagel

  • @cogahan3105
    @cogahan3105 Před 2 lety +6

    I don't know who Yasha is, but he's immediately sympathetic to me for not bending over and actually doing pretty well without going the EA route.
    100% Chad

  • @elzilcho1091
    @elzilcho1091 Před rokem

    Super well made video my guy. Fantastic, entertaining editing mixed in with informative content. Love to see it. Keep it up chad

  • @OkageTheShadowKing_
    @OkageTheShadowKing_ Před 2 lety +3

    I really appreciate the time effort and editing you put into your videos. everyone i saw its just perfect. you just never miss.

  • @Ayyem93
    @Ayyem93 Před 2 lety +25

    I think it may be useful to remember that in 3 decades of dbz games this is the first serious fighting game they've had, so a lot of decisions we've seen play out could be a result of that kind of "It's just a dragonball game" mentality, because historically there have been tons of broken things in past dbz games if that makes sense.

    • @PrimeTF
      @PrimeTF Před 2 lety +4

      Only recently I realized how buck fusted (fuck busted) Budokai 3 is, I was already aware of Tenkaichi 3 jank.

    • @thebesto7787
      @thebesto7787 Před rokem +4

      @@PrimeTF Honestly, I find Budokai 3 to be much more fun than FighterZ because of its jank, and great singeplayer content. Plus, I just love the more realistic, weighty attacks the Budokai series has. They look fantastic.

    • @TheBigDynamo
      @TheBigDynamo Před rokem +7

      I think that does make sense. Xenoverse 2 says hello. Hercule is unironically one of the greatest characters in the game.

    • @Ayyem93
      @Ayyem93 Před rokem +9

      @@TheBigDynamo As he should be

  • @yuyualex5475
    @yuyualex5475 Před 2 lety +1

    The Best Analysis Channel on the internet right here! Everything in this video is godlike. Thx for all the work you put in your videos they're so entertaining to watch!

  • @coolmedina117
    @coolmedina117 Před 2 lety

    Super awesomely edited as always