LOCKERBIE DISASTER - What the Pan Am Flight 103 WRECKAGE looks likes July 2022
Vložit
- čas přidán 19. 07. 2022
- This video shows are full day , if you want to jump straight to the wreckagem skip to about 1 minute 30. it was a long trek but we found it.
Who was really to blame ?
Why are they still keeping it ?
The fact that it still exists is mind blowing
God as a former Pam Am flight attendant its eerie to see the remains of a Boeing 747 that I have worked on. I'm over here crying.
its sad when things like this happen but we live in mad world thes day may god rest there souls its been a long time ago but i would to see this for my self if really sad
I am sorry for you.
I worked for PanAm at JFK at that time. I have been inside that very same plane N739 PA on breaks out side Hgr. 19 , it had the old livery paint design from its original delivery on February 15 1970. It had been converted to a cargo jet just prior to the accident by the US military for use in an national emergency like some of her sisters in Desert Storm (90-91), and yes she had about 75,000 Hrs. 16,000 cycles at that time. I just returned from London nine days earlier on this same flight. I think this was PanAm’s final nail in their coffin. Good video guys. Jim
I think it was the second livery of the three pan am used on the 747's. the delivery one from 1970 the pan am lettering was thinner.
Civil Reserve Air Fleet, or CRAF. Boeing did this overhaul to 18 Pan Am 747's between 1985 and 1989. A rear side cargo door was added as well...
Oh dear, the wreckage should never have been left there like that. That is sacred ground that deserves much more respect. God bless all that died and their loved ones
There is no such thing as sacred ground. Just stop. And humans created the gods, not the other way around.
That isn't where it crashed. That's just a scrapyard. It's not even in Scotland. It's near Lincoln, in England.
I was 16 when this happened. The same day I broke my leg, last day of school before Christmas. Remember hearing about it in the hospital while they were fitting my crutches. I’m from kenilworth and next day it was reported that a man from nearby Coventry and his Italian fiancé were on that plane. At the time I worked at a pub in Coventry called the holyhead. When I saw the photo of the victim from Coventry I had a sinking feeling I’ve not felt since. His name was Clayton Flick and he drank at the holyhead. I recognized him, I’d seen him in there many times. I’ve always felt I’ve been personally affected by pan am flight 103, so I’m genuinely shocked and disgusted by what I’m seeing here. Hundreds of lives destroyed by this tragedy and the best the government can do is toss the wreckage into a pit.
She was the fifteenth 747 ever built. Clipper Maid of the Seas. She must have flown a million people across the world. She was an aviation icon. In 1987 she underwent a full overhaul. In 1988 she met her tragic demise. There are spirits in there with her remains. I assure you, I bet if you talk to her, she'll talk back.
Thanks for sharing. Been a couple of months since we Visited. Still find things out everyday.
@@mrpxplores210 there is a film from 1978 I believe, it's called Conquiring the Atlantic. The Pan Am 747 in the film is the very one you visited in the scrapyard. Because it's prior to 1980, she was named "Clipper Morning Light". This was her original name from 1970 to 1980. Cheers...
@@dutchy1176 thanks I will check that out. How do you come by all this infomation ?
@@mrpxplores210 because the Lockerbie disaster intrigues me. I was 12 years old when it happened. It really touched me from then on. When the internet came along, I did a lot of research on the crash, but also on Pan Am. I love 747s and was amazed to find out that Pan Am was Boeing's launch customer. They had an enormous fleet of them. At least one of their 1970 examples are still in one piece today, and retired not too long ago. I'm also very intrigued by your video. Being there by that wreckage must feel very strange.
@@dutchy1176 how interesting to hear. I hadn't heard of Lockerbie until 2 weeks before our visit. I was born in 1988 you see. As soon as I heard about the story has fascinated me since. Its great to hear everyone's thoughts and experiences.
The part in your video with AVE 2360 and Pan Am badge was a section of baggage container that was inside the hold.
Thanks for posting this. I clearly remember hearing the news of this crash, and I've recently returned from a visit to the locations round the town of Lockerbie where the wreckage landed. Sherwood Crescent Memorial Garden where the main central wing section obliterated houses, and the people inside. The road where one of the engines made a crater, and Tundergarth hill where the cockpit section landed, that one field alone contained over 100 bodies. The wreckage trail covered 160km, all the way to the coast (and probably beyond). It's amazing that 90% of the plane was recovered. A large section WAS stored at Farnborough, but that's now been moved to Dumfries where it is being retained as evidence in the as yet ongoing investigation. The wreckage at the scrapyard that you visited, are the parts that have been deemed to NOT contain anything that could potentially be evidence.
Thanks for sharing this Infomation.
Thanks for putting this video up and making an incredible effort to track down, trek to and get access to remaining wreckage storage site. I had only learned fairly recently that (some) of the wreckage of Pan Am Flight 103 wreckage still existed. Apparently also the mid section still exists and is still held at the HQ of the Air Accidents Investigation Branch in Farnborough but don't know if that is publicly accessible. But *we* would certainly like to do a trip up Lincolnshire to see this wreckage. Though accessibility would be an issue with the scrapyard owners so would have to sneak around the back via the fields to gain access as you guys did. .
It's not hard to find. It's on Google Earth and there are several videos on YT going back 10 years or more.
Try keeping the captions on a bit longer to let us read them fully…
What an amazing piece of history 🙏 Before my time and touched me, God bless too those affected 💜
Eerie to see things like galley containers and the thing you unwrapped looked like part of a slide raft, it looks like the girt which attaches to the door sil when the slides are armed and connects the slide with the aircraft.
Thank you for this post. I flew Pan Am from Heathrow to JFK twenty one months prior to 21 Dec 1988 on a 747. Not sure if it was the same jet. I had just turned 25 years old when the bombing occurred and truly a part of me died that evening. I had seen the force that took part in the attack on Libya at RAF Fairford the day before the invasion. These images are permanent.
I flew on that plane ✈️ in 1987 when I worked for pan am
Its kept there because its crime scene evidence . It will be there till the case is closed.
some of the scrap parts should be put into a museum of some sort in my opinion
@@velocityjet1884 I'm sure some of the bigger, more recognizable parts will be once the case is closed
Blown up at 31,000 500mph, Jesus have mercy on their souls❤
That big white wheel hub with danger on I think it's off of an military Westland Wessex helicopter .
Thanks for posting, i thought the scrap would have been long gone and melted
Pretty amazing that it’s still sitting there years later.
From memory I think they paid the landowner a lot of money to store it there out of sight because it was cheaper than taking up a building. It was so that if they needed it for criminal investigations it was still available.
Wreckage is in Windley's Salvage. Lincoln, UK.
I've no connection to Lockerbie or anyone involved with the tragic flight of Pan Am 103 but I have been very interested in this since it happened. I can remember exactly where I was when the news broke of this surreal crash. There are numerous theories about who is to blame but in my opinion the most likely scenario is that the Iranian government paid a Syrian terrorist organisation to plant the bomb in retaliation for the accidental shooting down of an Iranian airliner by a US Warship in the summer of 1988. The Americans failed to apologise for the grave error and a senior US Naval officer suggested that if they had apologised then perhaps the Lockerbie bombing wouldn't have taken place. When Gulf War 1 was about to start in 1991 the focus shifted from the Iranians to the Libyans, you will have to make your mind up if that was coincidence or not! There are loads of books available from Amazon etc etc on this case so if you want to learn more you easily can.
The wreckage is being kept until all legal cases associated with this event are finished, I believe that the UK government has paid the salvage company a couple of grand a month for well over 30 years to store this on their land and probably will for some time to come.
Thanks for posting this video, really interesting. RIP to all those that perished on that fateful night.
To what I have learnt and read on this, I think your pretty much bang on. They is a lot of different theories out there for sure. All in all what a tragic disaster, thanks for sharing
Correct on the Iran thing not Libya
Where precisely is this??
Interesting vid i heard that they are still being paid to store that wreckage , i flew on that plane one time on the way to Houston ! Frankfurt to London to New York to Houston to Mexico city back to Germany ,i think the scrap yard is by a race track ? i read a few years back someone was selling parts for money ! .
yes it is a go karting track
I drove south past Lockerbie at 7.30am the next morning. I hadn’t listened to the news so wasn’t aware of what had happened. They’d removed the damaged cars and most of the mud. The hole made by the 747 was next to the road where a white bungalow had been.
The cockpit of the 747 was in the field with police next to it and soldiers searching the fields, I didn’t stop. I switched my radio on, only then learnt what had happened.
I am extremely surprised if this is the wreckage, the fact it has not been taken away and even put in a memorable museum. Why is the wreckage still lying there and how has it been allowed to be accessible to the public and is this near Lockerbie? I am seriously contemplating taking a trip all the way up from the West Midlands to visit the memorial ground in Lockerbie. When the explosion happened, many folk in Lockerbie must’ve wondered what is going on, had all sorts of fears running through their minds, wondering if the world had come to an end or if it was something from space and or whatever. I remember hearing of the disaster so vividly on the 21st of December 1988 and I was 20 back in those days.
The reason why the wreckage has not been disposed of is that this incident is still under investigation.
@@velocityjet1884 is it easy to find the location where the wreckage is? I’m assuming it’s very near the disaster scene. I’d love to visit the memorial ground at Lockerbie.
@@bestrickie2it's in Lincolnshire, so quite a way away...
It is the wreckage probably to be recycled in the near future when time forgets bit macabre wanting fo visit a murder scene unless you have someone close that died.
It was Abdelbaset al-Megrahi who was convicted, went to prison and was later released on compassionate grounds due to having cancer. Now dead.
But it was the PFFLP that was responsible, not Libya. The Scots, to this day, are hiding the damning documents.
Should never have been released. He ended up living for quite some time after his release too. Pathetic Scottish Government.
@@jonathanlandau-litewski7405 There are massive doubts around his guilt though. Not conspiracy theorists, but actual investigative journalists. The magazine Private Eye (which was talking about the current Horizon Post Office scandal years before the rest of the press took an interest, for example) has covered the holes in the case and the evidence pointing to other culprits, for years.
Where is it located??
How strange they liked your comment….but didn’t tell you! Not in the description either💁 it’s at Windleys Salvage, Tattershall Lincolnshire.
@@westaussie965 Most urban explorers don't reveal locations for very good reason... It's so others won't flock there and vandalize and desecrate or take souvenirs... We see it quite a bit in the States... A cool, untouched abandoned place gets explored and people reveal the location... Next thing you know, tons of people go there, bust windows, spray graffiti, steal wiring and fixtures for scrap, set fires, etc... Authorities or property owners then bring in security or police or simply demolish the place just too keep people out and remove liability ...
There are a great many historical places that remained in good condition until word got out. Once the windows get smashed, and the elements get in, these cool, historical places that could have been saved and preserved or repurposed will rapidly deteriorate... Then again some places are very dangerous as well... Kids see a video and decide to find the place and go check it out and get hurt or killed... That's why most urbex pages don't reveal locations...
@@westaussie965 I think it was moved from there westaussie. That scrapyard's beside a road, these lads appear to have walked for miles across fields and woods to get to it so not the Lincolnshire place anymore.
@@ac9110 Its on a side lot from the main scrapyard. They went the super super long way around lol
I understand your interest in seeing this wreckage but climbing in amongst it and handling the pieces of the plane shows a complete lack of respect.
Not if they are preserving it, if they are selling the stuff, that's taking the piss out of the situation, I am a Pan Am collector, if i had a piece of that scrap it would be in a cabinet for my benefit
To who? No one is buried there. And yet here you are… curious as well😉
I don't think it does. They're all very respectful, I can't hear a lot of laughing going on.
Well put David, if we won’t climb about on headstones in cemeteries, why are we climbing around the remains of a Boeing 747 Jumbo Jet where 259 passengers and crew met their end??
As a Scot and a Flight Attendant myself, I would like to go see this place, but I wouldn’t be climbing around on it. Several of the passengers were never found, that to me, makes the wreck of the 747 THEIR headstone. 👍🏼
Good footage though lads, you were right, that was the landing gear at 06:15 … one of two of the main body gears that were found in the Rosebank Terrace area of Lockerbie. They were still attached to a large section of fuselage that contained the remains of over 70 passengers and several of the Flight Attendants. Most of it in the garden of an elderly lady by the name of Ella Ramsden. Her house was almost completely destroyed when it hit. She used what she could to cover up ‘the wee lambs’ as she called them and laid fresh flowers until they were taken away. She had the remains of a young man laying on what was left of her roof.
I’ve heard that the Flight Deck and nose cone cabin wreckage, the very famous section which was used in photographs to portray the disaster in all the media, with the name of the plane on it, is still there in this yard, did you happen to see it? It was cut up for removal and transport from the field in Tundergarth.
A not very well known fact, there was a very brief survivor in this section, one of the Flight Attendants, a French woman called Nichole Elizabeth Avoyne-Clemens. Nicknamed ‘Babette’ by her co-workers. She was working the Upper Deck Clipper Class Business section in the ‘bubble’ upstairs. She was found inside the wreck, unconscious but with a very faint pulse by a farmer. Within a few minutes, she had passed away. 😔
There is an entire page dedicated to the crew of Clipper 103. I will share it below for anyone who is interested in reading their stories. You have to click on each name to access each page.
clippercrew.com/pan-am-crew-flight-103/
@@VAABoy081 I believe the remains of the nose cone are not stored at this yard, and are stored somewhere in Scotland. Not sure why they are kept separate, but everything here at Tatersall is of little use to an investigation but has to be retained for legal reasons.
Did you ever find out if those were stretchers in those bags?
No idea what they was mate
looked like a part of the emergency exit/slide raft
All Pan American had to do was to follow rules/laws which forbade any checked luggage from being put on an airplane unless a matching passenger was aboard! And then 'Lockerbie' wouldn't have happened!
As I understand it, there was a matching passenger who had been duped into carrying the radio onboard. Or, somebody put in in his suitcase without his knowledge.
@@birdy-bee Not true!
Pan American was ALWAYS responsible.
To this day, the only airline that does this is properly and 100% El Al.
It was the connecting flight from wherever that got into Heathrow and the bags were processed by the Heathrow vendor…
but your point is spot on - the need to reconcile checked baggage against the check-in passenger manifesto, is a no brainer that they never bothered to do it seems
@@Padoinky The bomb got into the system in Malta, in an unsuspecting, trusting person's baggage. It was then trans-shipped twice . It is still only El Al that does not allow this. With that airline every passenger has to be connected with every piece of their baggage and it's entire contents. If this was done by every airline, it would paralyse the system due to the time it would take. It's a trade off that people have accepted, knowingly or otherwise.
That’s awful. Why has this not been either stored properly, or… to be honest melted down into a memorial of some kind. It’s damn sad it’s just dumped. How long before repulsive people now find it and start selling pieces?
Interesting find you would have thought that maybe the wreckage would have been stored away in a storage unit somewhere especially if they have to look at the wreckage again in the future surprised to see that it is been kept in the open
Don't get me wrong it is tucked away from Public and not easy to access but yes you would think it would deserve its own secure container or unit
It was originally re-assembled in a hangar which is how they discovered exactly where the bomb had been on the aircraft and which ULD held the bomb. Once the investigation was completed, it was removed. It location has been known for a few years. There's several videos going back 10 years or more on YT.
3:47 That’s a floatation bag canister cover from the wheel of a Westland Wessex helicopter.
Unbelievably sad, to be fair its disrespectful to just leave it there. Highlighting it is good. Thanks for the insights.
It's not just left there. It got taken away to a scrapyard nowhere near the crash site, over 200 miles away
Some things are better just left alone 😢❤️✌️
I flew 2 days before this flight from Frankfurt to JFK. I was in the service. May those that were on board rest in peace. 🙏🏻
Thankyou for your flight.
What about showing dome respect and leaving it alone? It should be treated as a war grave..
Let's hope they're not dabbling with the radioactive parts of the debris, eh.
Isn’t the investigation completely and totally finished by now??
Shame the owner of the yard didn’t catch you.
Pam Am Flight 103 crash in 1988 now is abandoned
i am led to believe because it is still an ongoing murder case that is why it is stll where it is but i might be wrong- i went myself last year to see if i was allowed to see the remains but the owner of the scrapyard wouldnt let me- 35 years since it happened rip to everyone onboard who lost there lives
Thats not all of the Plane , Just some of it!!
a lot of the plane disintegrated aswell
Masud is still alive and has been apprehended by U.S Authorities
Your the 2nd person to mention that in the last 2 days. Is this recent news
@@mrpxplores210 Yes... like a day or two ago. It's just weird some reports would have said he died years ago when he is most definitely in custody
I cant beleive this is popping up just a few months after we visited the Wreckage. I hope they have the right person and he gets the harshest punishment
@@mrpxplores210 When I watched your video, a related video popped up talking about it, so I let ya know
It’s still unclear where the nose cone is these days? I enjoyed watching your video as it is a reminder of how tragic it was. On going investigation so it’s got to be kept. I like your ending god bless to all who perished. I went onto be airline crew for 25 years on 747s
It got cut up.
Its probably still there because, as you say its still an active case, so therefore evidence.
They just sat it aside and did not store it in a hanger or something wow
Bit grim to go rummaging around in it.
I can hardly believe the AAIB and CAA are content to leave that there. By rights, it should all have been investigated then destroyed, after all, hundreds of people were murdered and died horrifically in it, out of respect to them it should be destroyed. Quite macabre really.
It has all been investigated in detail - rebuilt in a hanger and forensically examined. There are however laws about destruction of evidence in the UK which will explain why it still exists.
That’s fair enough, and good too, just in case, and perhaps for training purposes. But out in the open, quite like that? I thought at least chuck it in a 40 foot container, slightly protected from pilferage or ghoulish souvenir hunters. (Or Russians looking for parts!)
@@hoofie2002unlikely to be considered admissible in the current state
A stay a couple miles away from locharbie didnt know that was still there
It's not there. It's near Lincoln.
I was on that flight ✈️💥 🤕
I flew to America and back in 1980 and 82. I flew pan am so it very likely could have been that plane.
the gov should scrap all that ally and steel and put a memorial in there with the money.
How many other people are going to go there, I hope no one does I worked along side the loaders who saw the passengers get on, and the ground crew they were haunted
I really hope that these are not the remains of the Pan Am flight - how very disrespectful if this is true :(
They are the remains of Pan am 103
Can’t really scrap it in people died in that plane rest in peace
you can see it from google earth
That’s bizarre it’s all there probably in a legal tangle as to what to do with it, is the cockpit not with it as that’s meant to be in a scrap yard too I will always remember the night I was writing a letter to my girlfriend I was 16 at the time when it came on the news
The reconstructed elements are in a hangar under NTSB and CAA guard as it's an ongoing investigation, albeit a long one. The parts in the scrap yard are thought to be of lower evidence level but retained just in case.
You didn´t know about this?
Sex Pistols/PiL singer John Lydon should have been on the plane with his wife, but they missed the flight.
Lots of famous people mysteriously missed the flight
You said 1989 in your video but it was 1988
1988 not 1989
You should have just straight down the lane and saved yourself the bother of the field and nettles lol ?? :D I don't think anyone cares that much unless you take the piss tbh.
I wish I had a piece of that. I know where this is, I may make the trip one day.
Its kept there as it was part of a criminal investigation they have to keep it for some many years by law.
The gates from the hillsbourgh disaster are kept in a scrap yard in sheffield for the same reason.
*Our day…And get off the bloody wreckage you scavengers. Nothing to do with you why it’s there either, it’s not a day trip out so you can get likes.
Egos agogo
This video is so disrespectful to those who lost their lives. Picking amoingst the wreckage like it's an art gallery isnt good optics.
I mean, you dont even have a connection to the disaster and didnt even know about it until recently... which is odd... but to then do this is disgusting.
Anything for social media likes, huh? A few of my classmates were on that flight, Syracuse University students returning to NY from spending the fall semester studying overseas… y’all should have done your due diligence before deciding to do this…
Imagine trekking through a forest and just finding a bunch of screwed up parts from an airline that went bust 30 years ago.
if people can remember there were two 747s hit together on march 25 1977 crash killed 587 souls as i can remember one was a pan am another K L M flights i just wonder what happen to that wreckage and i really do think there spirits there around this wreckage of flight 103 may god rest there poor souls
I was on a Pan Am DC-8 taking off from Heathrow on Jan 8th 1968 and we had a tail strike...we didnt return and flew on to Frankfurt Germany and the next flight was cancelled. Resumed travel next day. First 747 flight was early July 1970 out of Heathrow to New York..I was 13 hears old.