C&C Generals: Rise of the Reds - Comparing Advanced Tanks
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- Rise of the Reds or ROTR for short is a massive mod for Command & Conquer Generals Zero Hour.
The mod adds 2 brand new factions, the frontal breakthrough focused Russian Federation and the defense-oriented European Continental Alliance or ECA for short.
The mod also vastly revamps the original factions, giving them new units, buildings, upgrades, and more!
Other improvements include a focus on army diversity, a new 2-tier tech system, amphibious capabilities, and more!
Today we will be comparing each faction's advanced tank. These are heavier than the MBTs and have unique abilities.
We will be covering their production aspects, weapons, abilities, speed, combat, and more!
I plan on doing more of these for other General's Mods and more units from ROTR.
If you have any suggestions, please comment them below.
Thank you for watching!
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:30 Production & Overview
2:06 Weapons & Abilities
8:55 Who's the fastest?
9:40 Power Plant Test
10:25 Paladin Head-to-Head
11:09 Overlord Head-to-Head
12:00 Marauder Head-to-Head
12:40 Jagdmammut Head-to-Head
13:00 Golem Head-to-Head
13:30 Paladin Upgrades
14:30 Overlord Upgrades
16:15 Marauder Upgrades
17:55 Jagdmammut Upgrades
19:05 Golem Upgrades
19:55 Upgraded Speed Test
20:50 Upgraded Head-to-Head
24:40 Outro
Generals Zero Hour (Base Game)
www.origin.com/usa/en-us/stor...
ROTR Mod Link:
www.moddb.com/mods/rise-of-th...
GenLauncher (Highly recommend to play mods on Generals Zero Hour)
www.moddb.com/mods/genlauncher - Hry
Hope you enjoyed the video! If you have any suggestions for our next comparison just comment below! Thank you!
where is the second heavy tank for Russia?
Please do infantry comparison.
@@blackashkore1195 Since most faction's only have 2 tanks (compared to Russia's 3) I left the Sentinel out of this comparison. I chose the Golem due to its similar cost. I'll be putting the Sentinel in another video.
@@comm1098 ROTR "HAN patch" Mod next please. Thank you~
I think you forgot about the strategy center's buff
To all the folks saying Golem is too good - this was without pushing the "I am untargetable for 8 seconds" button.
But for real - between all those tanks, only Golem is a pure frontline tank. Paladin has a potent utility that hard-counters a wide array of very nasty units, and belongs to a faction that is known for it's airforce, not tanks; Marauder is a hit-and-run, just like about everything GLA has; Jaggmammut is simply closest ECA has for an advanced tank - it simply doesn't have a true one, it's a faction that relies on hard counters and static defenses to stall until protocols are available; and Overlord, the only tank that actually costs more and can outperform Golem, has huge utility in it's individual upgrades.
Golem has to perform very well to be anywhere near worth using, especially in a game where being in a right spot is worth a lot more than having a bigger gun.
The paladin is a pure anti-GLA tank. A battlegroup of paladins supported by an avenger is practically immune to most GLA weapons.
The problem with ECA here seems like Jagdmammut doesn't actually counter the thing it's supposed to counter.
@@Alpostpone Jagdmammuts slaughter lower-tiered tanks, you saw them pretty much kill Marauders and Paladin's with just 2 salvos of 4 shells. Its against heavier tanks they struggle with and that's not to be unexpected, even then they can still do significant amounts of damage. The only tanks they can't 1vs1 are Overlords, Golems and Sentinels.
True. Russia don't have strong protocols and only so-so static defense. Their SuperWeapon aren't as good as ECA and their air force aren't as good as USA. Their tanks have to do the hard job.
@@FielValeryRTSa column of Kodiak tanks enough to wreck havoc in your base if left undefended.
We all know Golem Tank was model from Soviet experimental Object 279 Heavy Tank to survive the shockwave of nuclear blast
I didn't know the Marauder could beat the Paladin in a 1v1, even more when the Paladin got the first shot off.
Marauder Tanks are surprisingly the strongest Tanks when fully upgraded and scrapped to max. The only thing it doesn't have unlike the other Tanks is that it's unable to turn their canon
@@prediculous8059 The Marauder in RotR has a turreted cannon.
@Russian Bot Blyat Blyot Lore-wise, this takes place 10 years after the events of Zero Hour, where the US went back to isolationism after they got their asses kicked by the GLA.
Because of this, US tech isn't as advance as it once was since some of the tech required to make their equipment was imported.
This made the "powerful but expensive units" niche empty, this is where the Russians filled it.
@Russian Bot Blyat Blyot Crusaders felt quite decent for their class, though the Paladins just felt like a slight upgrade from the crusaders and it doesn't really feel fair to pair up with the Overlords. Plus, the US has more air power to compensate. Haven't played the new factions but they look imbalanced.
@Russian Bot Blyat Blyot In C&C General timeline: USA focuses on speed and versatility over armor and firepower (Also has the best airpower). Especially in RoTR which changes the USA focuses on the mirage of drone units and very powerful infantry base support units.
So their armor is weaker and relied on speed rather than the vanilla one (which America has the highest armor and expensive units)
Russian Sentinel tank is so strong, that others didn't even dare to challenge him.
"The Sentinel awaits"
@Vegeta Jr. Jr. You're thinking of the Golem tank, which is based on Object 279
@Vegeta Jr. Jr. Sentinel tank is a complete fantasy unlike the Golem which is the one you're thinking off
@arifur ashiq *looks over at stacking trophy systems*
You hear somethin
@Nika Ustašica (UNVACCINATED 1776) but in comparing with other heavy tanks he is much better.
The gatling gun addon also gives Overlord Tank and Helix stealth detection, but at smaller radius than the base defense.
11:02 the sheer amount of disrespect from that Overlord. Not only it wasnt even close, he decided to assert his dominance by crushing the poor Paladin beneath his tracks.
I love how the overlords main guns will point up when given the command to attack air targets even though it cant
I'm guessing the Sentinel isn't included because it's simply too strong compared to the others? Being 50% more expensive than the Overlord base and Russia's epic unit basically just being a missile and an arena sentinel duct-taped together with a bit of extra thermobaric spice and a shtora?
With the same applying to the Black Bear and Manticore.
After all the Golem already stomps on everything but an Overlord with an attachment as-is.
Yes, since most faction's only have 2 tanks I decided to use the Golem due to its similar price. I'll be using the Sentinel in another video.
All factions are supposed to be getting their own epic in the next ROTR's version (1.9) and I'll be comparing them when they come out.
if im correct the black bear has more hp armor and dps than the sentinel too so there's that too...
@@comm1098 that 1.9 update though, we will never know when
I think it’s worth mentioning that Russian vehicle become cheaper once the factory is constructed
@@Ichiro_Manlalaro Another decade.
Funny how the tank machine guns do nothing but being there for aesthetic.
Kinda a let down to be honest
In the Paladin's and Crusader's case, it makes the main gun hold fire, which prevents friendly fire when crushing infantry; the Golem's machine guns can effectively ward off lone helicopters and shorten fights with infantry; and the Jagdmammut and Leopard can just straight up kill infantry with ease (especially in groups of 3 or more.) So they each have a use case, however small.
For real. I genuinely laughed out loud when during the Timelapse at 10:13 two basic Un-upgraded USA Rangers are able to destroy a Paladin from full health before the Jagdmammut is able to even destroy the defenseless powerplant. I feel like the Paladin and the Crusader machine guns are so weak they’re bordering on being an actual mistake of a misplaced decimal point in the damage code. Literally weaker than starting infantry.
@@Acehalo2 Funny that I looked up the unit on their wiki page and the Paladin's machine gun literally deals 1 damage each.
@@theploot8230
So basically it is a pea shooter lol.
I didn’t even know the marauder was immune to mines..
New version 1.9 China will have a new assault cannon !This is a kind of mixture of a tank and artillery!
I get the distinct feeling that the Dev's made the Russians stupidly powerful compared to the old vanilla factions xP
They're really expensive and really slow. Also, tanks are their main, so they generally win the tank comparisons
It balances out because they aren't that great when it comes to mobile anti air and all they infantry atm outside shock troops aren't that great. They units also cost alot to make and like the other poster said slow. You littreally need an industrial plant
@@LunaPPK China also beats them once they begin to en masse Units, ESPECIALLY with Horde bonus, not to mention Nuke cannons and Inferno cannons shredding their slow Tank columns
"235mm cannon" I uhh...don't think the marauder's gun is quite *that* big.
Haha, yeah I thought so too. I just pulled it from the ROTR wiki.
That is probably as big as those main cannons used in WW2 battleships. And somehow the Contra one looks way "realistic"
damn that's the main of some battleships
9.25 inches. So remove one of 'main' 'battleship' or 'WW2'. On the model it's absurdly oversized enough to be, I guess. There was the truly demented T-92 Howitzer Motor Carriage mounting a 240mm mortar on a Pershing chassis, predecessor to the (even bigger) M65 currently represented by the Nuke Cannon, so like.
I don't think it'd be anywhere near *effective* IRL, because it'd take fucking forever to load and forget about putting it in a turret, but. It's not impossible.
@@basedeltazero714 0:36 Introduction mentions _325_ mm cannon, which is clearly a typo and what the other commenter referred to. That's 12,8 _inches_ and literally a battleship main battery gun.
235 mm gun is still too large for tank cannon, especially in dual mount. There's just no way to fit the breech(es) and the crew to handle ammunition. You could make that caliber work as a demolition mortar, but those are way shorter than cannons as is their ammo.
How am I enjoying the vid yet I’ve never played this game.
holy shit! I thought RotR was dead! Glad to know there still are some fans of that glorious mod
I think you'd better added the last heavy tank to the list, like Sentinel, Shenlong or even GP ones - BlackBear and Manticore. And also it will be more fair to compare them with full upgrades but without promotion, mentioning that, for example, Russia gains another promotion for all tanks or compare marauders with rocket pods and reactive armor and overlords with Gatling cannons and bunkers.
But overall video is great, you put a lot of work on it, appreciate it man👍
They done my boi Paladin dirty
I was confident that it would destroy the marauder tank.
@@dimitrijespasic473 fr same here bro
nice videos you make.
nice content
AWESOME
As a tank enthusiast I found that the Russian Black Bear is the most balanced and fair.
The others are just escorts and decorations.
in 1.9 the Paladin is getting a big upgrade in the form of battle kits.
Rip the paladin's laser targeting infantry
Perfection
I wonder if the paladins coaxial machine-gun was meant to be useless, or if that was just an error...
Paladin should not have lost to marauder in base form. 😅 that is a slap on usa tech's face
Pretty sure the paladin would have been 2nd in the speed test except it was constantly moving at an angle making its path longer.
Does this include the American Doctrine bonuses or did they remove that in rise of the reds?
What it was Black Bear (Unique Sentinel) vs Alpha Prime (Unique Apocalypse)?
So the Russian tank is just blatantly OP. Got it.
Because russia in this game is about firepower and rush down its why most they armor is expensive to make to.
And full of pathfinding issues. The Golem isn't even their strongest tank. It's the Sentinel.
A Paladin tank gains veterancy faster and with the Hold The Line strategy activated in the Strategy Center (which isn't included here, weird, because it's basically a free buff because you will always build a Strategy Center to even build the Paladin in the first place), the heroic Paladin with composite armor approaches 80%(?) the tankiness of an unupgraded Russian Sentinel (iirc what Mizu said in the forums back in version 1.86 days) with less of the pathfinding problems. You don't know pain until an enemy Jadgmammut squad are firing on your Sentinels while only two of your five Sentinels are firing back because the other three are struggling to get into position to even fire in the first place.
Anyway, the real op tank in the Russian arsenal imo is the Kodiak, their basic main battle tank. Great balance between price, build time, accessibility, and stats.
@@Eanki_ Kodiaks aren't as strong as you think, they do bring good firepower and hp, however every faction has a way to deal with them
They get overwhelmed by scorpions or battlemasters, they can't break through eca defence line supporting gun turrets, they can be easily sniped by TOW humvees or airforce of usa and if one dies in a russia mirror game, the enemy can recover your dead army and suddenly you are fighting twice the army a minute ago.
This is without even mentioning that the kodiak gives a whole 100 xp
(For comparison, a sentinel gives 200 xp)
So by using kodiaks you are Running a risk of giving the enemy early rank 3 which can even as much as end a game by a few key gp strikes.
The best tank overall in rotr is accuslly the battlemaster
It has the best price to effectiveness ratio of all tanks, and later on has the best supporting upgrades
Funnily enough, a fully upgraded battlemaster with propaganda can kill a sentinel faster than a jagmamut.
@cnclol Yeah, now that I started playing again, I overestimated the Kodiak. It's BMP gaming for me now. As for Russian mirror, that's always a mess but almost all vehicles can be recovered anyway. Except the Sentinel.
So are the USA laser Hummer and Chinese Flak.
But there's always a way to deal with it.
Yeah I guess the balance is that usa is suppose to have the better air power and indirect firepower
Compare advanced AA units next.
Paladins being the weakest were somewhat surprising, even if I always avoided using them since they didn't seem like too much of an upgrade from Crusaders
Paladin is mostly a counter to GLA rocket spam and in that role it works well. Tank vs tank it has nothing going for it tho.
@@Alpostpone It also works great for US air superiority, since most airborne anti-armor weapons and a fair amount of anti-air weapons are rockets or missiles.
Though I think the Jagdpanzer should be the strongest 1 on 1 considering it's completely specialized for that and is much less versatile. I think it should be given a resistence against shells so that you need missiles to take them down and can't really overpower them with tank collumns.
@@MrMarinus18 That would make them too op, the ECA has a countermeasure for missiles.
Does the Targeteer Drone increase the ROF of the Paladin's point-defense laser as well?
I just attempted this and it does not unfortunately.
@@comm1098 Rats! Well thank you for going the extra mile anyway!
Was it a visual glitch or was the power plant Jagdmammut was attacking the only one being repaired?
Edit: I mean at the first Power Plant Test at 9:40
I ran the test again and got the same result. All USA buildings do self-repair. It seems the Jagdmammut attacks just slow enough to trigger the building's self-repair unlike the rest of the tanks. Either way the Jagdmammut does very poorly against buildings.
@@comm1098 Ahh! It's been too long since I've played C&C:G/ZH so I had forgotten about that Auto-repair feature.
That makes a lot of sense and if I had known about it during the video it would've driven the point home about how poor they are at dealing with buildings.
Thanks a lot for answering my comment and thanks as well for going back and rechecking the results and providing an explanation for it!
11:22
I think the Jagdpanzer should be able to beat an overlord one on one considering how much more versatile the overlord is as a support unit. The Jagdpanzer is a very specialized unit so it should be extremely good at that 1 thing. It should be able to win cost effectively against pretty much all tanks including the ones more expensive than it. Maybe the one exception being the Sentinel since it's so expensive and very specialized itself. But the Overlord is mainly a support unit rather than a combat unit.
The music is very familiar!!! Hmmm 🤔👀
The Jagtmammut feels very underpowered considering it's supposed to be a anti-armor specialist. I would think it should be able to beat the others in one on one battle but the others are more versatile.
That's probably because it's a horrible idea to send a Jagd alone, it's best used as a Support unit with Leopards distracting the enemy, it's Piercing ability can also be potentially nasty against Tank blobs or lines (which is VERY common) especially in larger numbers
@@Randomgamer-di3ow I think it would be a lot more interesting if the Jagt punishes those that sent tanks in on their own. That they can cost effectively beat every tank in the game. But deal pretty much no damage to infantry and substandard damage to light vehicles.
0:03 mah wall paper lolz
Huh strange - music of ECA and eva of GLA?
lol the overloard is mega imballanced unit with its upgrades and specials like speaker tower and buncka XD
Корпус от Об. 279 и башня от т-90. Голем - совершенная военная машина
Make video that compare the helicopter of each faction
Dam the Paladin really needs some work on
Especially considering how the US is gonna get an armor general and for a tank with the lore designation "M1A4" youd think it would be able to deal with the scrap pile of a Marauder
This is set in the Generals timeline, where the US withdrew into isolation and stopped getting resource imports from other countries. As such they couldn't field the Abrams as it is in our world.
It's also a video game, and it would be busted if the US had the best base infantry, best tanks, and best air.
@@spikem5950 Actually the Paladin is the direct replacement of the Abrams or to be more correct in the lore it is a modified version of the Abrams. Also the US does still have the best infantry in the game, ranger still just about claps every other infantry in the game quite reliably (unless its a felin with venom protocol and inside a garrisson) and dont forget about the Seal, pathfinder, enforcer and vanguard. Also i guess the paladin was did dirty here a bit, as it does look very lacking on its own but things change the second you add other variables, such as numbers, upgrades, passive buffs ( strategy center ) and how it plays along with other units, especially the avenger. Also it renders most missile based attacks useless with its PDL, i dont know if it still has the ability to one shot infantry that gets to close with its PDL like its vanilla counterpart, but the repair drone is plenty anti infantry, that and it can safely go crush infantry due to it not shooting its maingun and instead firing its coaxial machinegun instead, so you dont get situations where you kill your own tank thats being attacked by your other tanks for trying to crush the infantry. That and i do agree if the Paladin was even more potent it would make the US faction too OP.
@@Frost-01 I said they couldn't field the Abrahms as it is in our world, as in, the Paladin is lower quality than IRL Abrahms due to the state of the US in universe and balance reasons. Not that the Paladin isn't the Abrahms.
And yeah, the Paladin is pretty good when you factor in other variables. It's just not the most OP thing in the world like in the real world.
Golem is so good imo
21:10 mhm yes "Marader"
Vruh i need a control bar for rise of the reds mod
Why not Sentinel? Golem is the advanced tank for General Alexandr, not the regular advanced tank
I can only watch these clips since I am a baboon who doesn't know how to install C&C and has no idea of modding.
30sec build time for the jagdmamut !!!!
This must be changed in the next update , it makes no sense
Jagdmammut is reasonably cheap for anti-vehicle purposes.
But ECA vehicles are nerfed by being the slowest production speed in the mod.
Jagdmammuts tend to roflstomp lower-tiered vehicles.
Someone can help me? I have C&C Generals Zero Hour and run very good on my PC, you guys know if the Rise of The Reds mod are so much heavy? Like i can run ROTR with the same hardware to run the original game? I have a notebook with I3 10th generation and 8 gb ram
Do you have the game patched with GenPatcher and do you have GenTool installed? GenPatcher fixes a lot of the issues that allow the game to run more smoothly on modern machines. GenTool does some other fixes too and lets you play online. Try those and see if it runs better.
The main factor of lag in ROTR, especially 1.87, is AI. It always spams units and structures alike, which also have higher poly counts (second main factor of lag) compared to vanilla Zero Hour. AI will be better in 1.9 performance-wise, and it will not cheat blatantly (having cash injections every idk seconds). In multiplayer with no AI, your device should handle well though.
@@Grabacr_KDH thanks your both to the reply
Long range artilery comparision please
Where can I buy it
i thought the manticore was the advanced eca tank
You put a lot of effrot into this videos :)
Compare the Air Units.
czcams.com/video/gRwjUFbFddI/video.html The building was in repair stance!
why TF your ROTR have more effects than mine xD
For sentinel the only thing that can head on with it probably just manticore, unless overlord with bunker with 5 china RPG infantry variant. Even with bunker I think sentinel would still win.
ummm can you link the map?
How can I get this game
So in this mod Russia is now represented by two whole factions instead of single one as in base game? Cool;)
There is no Russia as faction in base game
Base game:
GLA
USA
China
RotR mod:
Russia
EU
@@pechkin9474 there is. It's one of main factions alongside China and USA.
@@TheArklyte you mean GLA, which is not Russian faction. Yeah, they have bases in Russia, but it is more like Middle Eastern faction
@@pechkin9474 it's a terrorist faction that relies on corruption, has unlimited access to obsolete soviet equipment and stretches from northern China to Germany. It's Russia.
Why the fuck are the machine guns on that thanks so useless? xD Arent there mounted to be effective against infantry?
I remember i use chinese tank hunter to destroy Paladin tank i think it works, correct me if im wrong
Correct, the Paladin's laser doesn't intercept their projectiles because the devs made it so that Chinese tank hunters use flak cannons instead of rocket launchers.
Also, why is golem so strong. It should be balanced i guess.
Hey I just noticed your OST mod is from Wargames Defcon 1 can you make a music ost addon for Generals Zero Hour plssss...
"Fully upgraded" Golem didnt use "Shtora" in final tests.
Because using it would be completely broken for the Golem
Shtora doesn't prevent damages if you micro-manage, as you can still target the ground they stand on.
What will happened to Overlord when fighting Sentinel 💀
Stock sentinel vs stock overlord = sentinel wins
Uranium shell overlord vs sentinel = overlord wins
Uranium shell overlord vs reactive armor sentinel = sentinel wins
Against fully upgraded sentinels your overlords need all their upgrades plus horde and speaker tower
tanks are good but the overlord tank, nothing, no matter what tank the overlord have overlord is just one shot by blue bombers and long range unit, sometimes i ask myself why do they include that red dragon in the game, whats that red dragon include there to lose
anyone else feel like the US' tanks are a bit weak?
They've always been such, even in base generals. It's why you saw humvees so much. A single humvee upgraded with toe and garrisoned with missile defenders could put out the dps of a dozen crusaders or paladins. SImilarly if you had them upgraded with drones and coupled with am ambulance and maybe even avengers then you got a nasty death ball when search and destroy is activated from the strategy center.
I mean there is a reason in the base game no one made them lol
@@thirstyserpent1079 I mean the base game US tanks were pretty great
GLA tanks had no match unless they were fully upgraded.
And overlord were the only thing that were better
But in ROTR they just suck for no reason
Nobody talk about Shenlong?
It's not really an Advanced Tank, more like an Advanced Anti-personnel unit
golem would have won that duel vs the chinese tank if u activated the shtora.
Anything would win any matchup if you made it untargetable. That doesn't help for these testing purposes because it's a foregone conclusion.
Not if a real player is controling the overlord.
How i can download the game
You can download it from the new EA play app. Find the "C&C Ultimate collection". It has Generals: Zero Hour in it along with all the other command & conquers.
@@comm1098 thks and how i get the New expansión package
@@georgematos7110 After you have Zero Hour installed. Look in the description and you will see a link for "GenLauncher". It lets you easily install almost all of the popular mods for zero hour. Super easy to setup too.
Giving the tanks an anti-infantry machine gun that does absolutely nothing to infantry?
its more of a "lore " reason actually but yea those coax machine guns suck a lot they deal 1 dmg literally 1 dmg i suppose russian one is a small bit better since it deals i think uhh 2 -3 dmg but yea the machine guns are there bc they have lore really lol if you want then i can give you the 2 lore ones i know about
@@RuzgarYldrm-zj9ecI’m interested, I wanna know the lore behind this
@@artyom1264 the usa ones suck because of the isolationist laws and in order to reduce friendly fire the russian ones suck because ( as far as i know ) since they declared war on the european faction they got blocked from buying the good machine guns that and the russians wanted a machine gun that can shoot helicopters and stuff but in order to do that they needed the machine gun to aim higher which meant they had to reduce the machine guns caliber severly thats the lore i know although could be false ofc
@@RuzgarYldrm-zj9ec wow, i never knew that, it’s so cool
Name of the game ? 🥲👋
Command & Conquer: Generals Zero Hour
Mod: Rise of the Reds
Was this mod made by Russians?
By a Dutch and a German, apparently.
I think the reason why USA tanks is so weak is because of the Airforce and support drone units and also base defensive type unlike China that's offensive type yet their base defence is weak. They make the USA micro intensive.
I hardly win using USA without using drones and stealth bombe.
For the love of god ROTR devs, buff pathfinder please and make SEAL invisible!
Kinda ridiculous US has the weakest tanks. Couldn’t be further from reality if it tried.
This is set in the Generals timeline, where the US withdrew into isolation and stopped getting resource imports from other countries. As such they couldn't field the Abrams as it is in our world.
It's also a video game, and it would be busted if the US had the best base infantry, best tanks, and best air.
@@spikem5950 I understand that but it’s countered by higher prices across the board. The lore reasons for the US being so weak never sat right with me.
@@MultiGamer20211 It's not our timeline. It's as simple as that. Europe wouldn't fall to a terror organization because all those countries have capable militaries too, but it happened in the context of this game's lore setup.
tanks are good but the overlord tank, nothing, no matter what tank the overlord have overlord is just one shot by blue bombers and long range unit, sometimes i ask myself why do they include that red dragon in the game, whats that red dragon include there to lose
Was this mod made by Russians?