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Re provinces seeking sovereignty, the Supreme Court of Canada basically said that as Canadians believe in democracy, any province which held a referendum with a clear question on sovereignty, which garnered a clear majority of the vote, would necessitate that Canada begin negotiations for said province’s succession in “good faith”. Now if you saw the two referendum questions of 1980 and 1995, you’d understand why a clear question was required. I had friends who swore they could keep their Canadian passports but would no longer have to pay federal taxes.
This is correct, the "clarity act" means that Canadian provinces are allowed independence if a "clear majority" vote for a "clear question" in a fair referendum.
@@sagmilling yea except for when Quebec was gonna have a high enough percentage to leave until the Canadian government quickly let in a bunch of refugees and immigrants to change the vote
@@xelabadman5824 except refugees and immigrants don't have the right to vote. One needs to be a Canadian citizen to vote, but hey if you want to blame the "ethnic vote" knock yourself out.
Hey, as a Washingtonian I'd be down for Cascadia. Its definitely a different enough region from the rest of North America to warrant being its own thing. BC feels culturally closer in many ways to Washington and Oregon than most other US states do. I've even gotten culture shock going to the east coast. Of course, as was stated many times this is essentially impossible, but its always a fun concept. Also NorCal and the tail of Alaska could definitely belong within the region, although the bits of Idaho are extremely questionable to say the least.
I too live in Washington and 100% agree with this. BC is definitely more similar culturally to the West Coast. Even when meeting people from there and going there it isn't as much of a different country as it more feels like a part of an expanded nonexistent country, i.e. Cascadia. Although I don't get as big a culture shock from the East Coast since I lived in Rhode Island for some time.
As someone born and raised in WA, living in OR, and went to university in AK, visited BC multiply times I love my Cascadia neighbors. We drink, eat and be mary for how beautiful and enjoyable life is. Long live Cascadia
question, im a native Portlander, which do you perfer and which is more lgbt friendly, portland or seattle. deciding where to live when i grow up and curently hating idaho, thanks!
I’d be very interested in a video seeing what other Bio-Regional Divides on Turtle Island would look like. I imagine that the great planes would be a pretty economically powerful region (not that there is a lot of the actual planes biome left after its conversation to farm land).
as someone who lives on the plains, there is PLENTY of "actual planes biomes" left. Thanks to regulations in the 70s and 80s most farmland has a multi-year rotations including going fallow(nothing planted nor tilled) for a year or more. This was originally designed to help artificially inflate the price of wheat and corn ostensibly to help the "small, independent farmer." Of course, it could be argued it helped usher in the corporate farms but thats another discussion. One of the side effects is that the fallow fields have time for the local biomes to move back in rather quickly. Add in State Parks, National Parks, and Natural Heritage sites and the plains are fine. Its those ones everyone paves over you should be worried about
fun fact: in the lore of the game Mirror's Edge an utopian state named Cascadia is actually a thing, but its geographical features seem to be based on the Australian state of Victoria after a 60-meter rise in sea level.
As a British Columbian it is cool to wonder how the borders could be redrawn. I wish the best to the people Washington and Oregon and hope to visit there someday!
As a Cascadian myself (Oregon) I don't think it would work under any of your proposals in this video if it ever did happen, as east of the Cascades the people would likely be absolutely bitter about it, knowing their lack of representation would carry on into a entirely new nation. So I've believed for years, that it needs to be at least in the beginning, just from the crest of the Cascades west to the coast for it to work out well.
@@GreatValueMapleSyrup No, but we have lots of cats trained in black ops guerrilla warfare, and hid our plutonium supplies in various lumber and weed related disguises, just in case.
One of the main things I wonder about in cases like Cascadia or to a lesser degree a union of Canada and the US, is the Metro Vancouver region that currently more or less ends at the border in the southern regions of Surrey, Langley and Abbotsford, would be opened up with the removal of said border, allowing the Natural boundary's that block the GVRD's growth to the North and East to in a similar fashion become the new southern boundary. In that sense the southern tip for the GVRD go all the way to Bellingham, with areas like Lynden, Sumas, Blaine, Birch Bay and such becoming immediate targets for the same type of growth seen by Surrey, Burnaby, Coquitlam and others. It would be very interesting to see how those areas could play if seen as parts of Vancouver rather than town near the border with Canada. I've endured decades waiting for Skytrain and Translink infrastructure to get up to speed (the current 10 year plan should get us to where it should have been in 2000, so I'm sure I can look forward to getting an expo line train to Ferndale by 2060. :P We could also replace the 4th of July and Canada Day with a new Cascadian National Holiday of Pig Day on June 15th. Celebrating that we've moved on from the boundary dispute that almost caused a war in this region.
1 minor problem if Cascadia was a country would be in uniting the 2 political cultures. Not just because Vancouver Island would vote either social democrat or green but politicians on both sides of the border would seem like newcomers on the other even if they are prominent on their own.
Yes this is true. However if you're *redefining the basis of counteyhood* from nationalism to bioregionalism, with the origins of Cascadia being *firmly rooted in Cascadia* and not in Europe, Britain, or the east coast, with America and Canada seen as foreign colonizers rather than motherland, that is, the conception of Cascadia as an entity defined by place, not nationality, many of those existing political cultures need to change and ultimately Vancouver Island would probably change the least because bioregionalism effectively implies a "Green" ideology. At least relative to what exists today.
I am from eastern Washington. I would like to bring up that eastern Washington, eastern Oregon and Idaho *hate* the idea of this movement. It would be heavily skewed in favor of the western side, politically, socially and economically with most here being conservative farmers. Eastern Oregon actually tries a few of their own secessions and join Idaho because they hate the western side so much. Washington state always votes democrat because of Puget Sound since so many live in that area, leaving eastern Washington to get outvoted nearly all the time and just reluctantly go through with whatever the west says. I am almost certain if we formed Cascadia, we would have almost no say in anything. Even if it was possible, there is no way the east would stay for long before they have their own secession or even a civil war.
I didn't know that there was a Cascadia independence movement at all. I live in a red area of Oregon so the separist movements I know of and see here are the "State of Jefferson" and "Greater Idaho"
I'm in conservative rural BC this ideal would be great if we left Vancouver, Seattle and Portland out. Those degrenent cesspools of leftest lunatics can be city states and rot in the hell they vote for.
Oh wow, interesting. I'm from BC and you couldn't get me to join western OR/WA for anything, but you folks out east sound like you've retained some bloody sense. Thanks for enlightening one idiot
I'm one of those rare people who was born in Vancouver (the real one). I've always viewed the other Vancouver as a suburb of Portland, not as a city in its own right. Just like, say, Bellevue or Richmond.
What do you mean by saying that you’re one of the rare ones being born in Vancouver?! What makes you think that you’re different than others in Vancouver?!
@@cyrusthegreat1893 She’s referring to the fact that a huge proportion of Vancouver (BC’s) population are either migrants from elsewhere or immigrants from abroad. (Both of these factors have served to quell British Columbian/Cascadian identity a fair bit in recent years too). That said, as others have pointed out, the original Vancouver is the one in Washington.
Trust me, we all do Sincerely, a Washingtonian (to be fair a lot of the cities in the Cascadian region tend to blend together a lot, considering everyone is crammed between the Cascades and the coast ranges/water)
As a Portland resident, this would be dope. BTW, Vancouver WA was the original Vancouver and was a strategic position for British traders. Now, it acts like a suburb for Portland lol. That kinda proves that Portland is growing in multiple ways.
Even so, I always think of Vancouver BC when hearing the name. Vancouver WA just... doesn't have anything special lol people here seem to have been rather uncreative when naming things
While the movement started as bioregionalism, politics definitely control borders. The most realistic borders would probably just cut off at the cascades. Hilariously, this would make eastern OR/WA MUCH worse off financially. Even more realistically, Oregon, Washington, and California would just band together as they already have numerous times recently to get any thing done. But as you said, none of this will ever happen. As much as I wish it could. I'm firmly on the "want to get away from america being garbage" side. Bioregionalism is certainly a nice idea in a perfect world buuuut if you've seen Idaho recently, you can understand why I want nothing to do with that lol
I think Eastern WA or OR would want to remain as part of the US, but it'd be bad for them. And the Cascadians would need to find a way to control their borders.
How can the deserts of Yakima and Okanagan valleys be part of the same bioregion as the coastal rainforest? What about the prairie zone in the Peace River valley?
I live in Idaho and fly my Doug Flag. I think it's fair to say there's not much interest in this idea east of the Cascades. But for those of us who do care about it, I think our love for the land and our sense of place would hopefully bridge our political differences. If we had to fend for ourselves as a sovereign nation, just maybe people would band together to make it work. I do think that finding a centralized place for the capital would help those of us on the opposite end of the bioregion feel more included. Maybe Spokane?
If we were to go with "Deluxe Cascadia" as you put it, I feel the best place to put a capital would actually be Kennewick so Boise and the rest of east Cascadia doesn't feel left out (and basically no one lives up north so we don't have to worry about that), and I also think if Olympia were made the capital it would give Seattle WAY too much power, leaving Portland, Vancouver, and Boise to pick up the scraps (I live in Portland too, I've thought about this topic a lot and prefer the bio region design)
I live in western Idaho, and if Cascadia was a country and Olympia was the capital, I would feel less unity and divide between coastal and inland regions.
What about a planned capital along the Columbia river? That would be strategic (especially if put in the gorge), and would bridge the two regions nicely whilst being incredibly central.
Well if we are redrawing borders, merge Alaska and Yukon into a new country. Also Minnesotta doesn't really have a typical 'Murican approach to things, so they can become a province of Canada where they would fit in much better. Likewise, the USA would probably suit Alberta better than Canada does.
Are you from Alberta? I am from here and I used to live in the states for a few years, it's nowhere near being better suited to the US (The people who want to join the US are a very loud and tiny minority or are not very serious)
You realize we're talking about a place with about 800000 people? And the majority of them are in a single city on the coast? There's no way it would ever survive as a country.
"Canada's constitution doesn't allow provinces to leave" Huh? How about the two secession referendums in Quebec? The Supreme Court of Canada did not explicitly ban secession, nor did it allow it. The US Supreme Court by contrast explicitly bans secession.
Quebec’s referenda were entirely provincial endeavors - they weren’t in any way endorsed by the federal government. That said, you’re right that the Supreme Court not long after ruled that there would be a duty to negotiate where a clear will to leave was demonstrated. The federal government later passed the Clarity Act to ensure another 1995 (deliberately sneaky question to encourage yes votes) wouldn’t count.
@@jyrki21 If British Columbia left then we can say goodbye to Canada because Quebec would definitely leave after that if it hadn't already, and perhaps a domino effect would follow
As a Bioregionalist and a Seattlite, I support the USGS Water Resource map as Cascadia’s border. I’m sure Idaho would be totally fine being absorbed by us, and being part of the Oregon Territory again 🤪
@@miliba I’m sure eastern WA and OR wouldn’t mind that…until the massive economic engines called Seattle and Portland stopped keeping them afloat, regardless of how idiotic and dysfunctional we’ve been lately 🤔
As a Washingtonian I think Portland is important. I’ve been to Portland countless times and it’s one of my favorite places on the planet. It’s a beautiful wonderful city. This is in response to 5:16
I'm from Oregon, If you think Portland is good...Then you would be missing out. I know you have your opinion and that's cool. But places like Eugene (My hometown) and Springfield are so nice.
Hello from Vancouver-Seattle’s Salish Sea bio region of *Cascadia* ❣️ I’m a Canadian married to an American- we got married in both 🇨🇦/🇺🇸 after the pandemic, because we were cut off from each other during the lockdowns (not being married meant we had no legal family status). We identify as Cascadians first/foremost, over our respective countries because we both don’t relate to the macro politics of either country. We.wish we could be a self governing bio region. Maybe one day this will happen …? 🤷🏽♂️
Thank you for the east side mention! Originally from the south east no you dont get to know but its along the columbia. i don't live there anymore but most family does just nice to see its not all the west!
You do know that the original capital of the region, when it was governed by the Hudson's Bay Company on behalf of the UK, was Vancouver, Washington. Just across the river from you. One of my several greats uncles was the Chief Factor.
As a native Seattlelite, I feel a much closer cultural, political, and economic affinity towards my British Columbians than say, my Texan and Floridan counterparts.
As a Floridian, places like your look like another planet. Florida is essentially a sand bar. The highest point in the whole state is 350 feet but on average, it's by far the flattest state in the US. Seeing mountains in the distance is just alien to me.
As a Canadian, I'm happy with the province as it is, especially in our own country. I love western oregon but that place is infested with Californians. Don't even get me started on Washington.
I live in the Northern Idaho "region" and I feel, at least biologically, we are more connected to the coast and the rest of British Colombia than we are to eastern Washington/Oregon. We are, after all, just a big forest.
@@Atlantique59 Yeah deadass, I live in the Boise area atm and I'm moving to Canada in a few weeks but I was born in Moscow. Spent a fair bit of time in Pullman as a kid, my dad managed the Pizza Perfection restaurant there for a bit I believe
3:38 Oh please leave Montana alone adding that just ruins the border and creates border gore. If we want to say this country exists at least do it like a map game when there's no border gore if you're playing as a country
Actually, thanks to Quebec, Canada has a legal mechanism for a Province to leave Confederation even tho' the Constitution Act, 1882 doesn't mention it.
I'm down for this. But, the fires are getting real bad folks. we may need the National Guard. Esp when the big earthquake hits... It would have been nice to do this 50 yrs ago. Then the region could have come together more prepared for these things. Worst thing I've seen is Redwoods burning. I know they do. But in my lifetime I never anything worse than redwoods on fire. If we loose our fog and rain, we could end up a desert too...
I was born in Montana and lived in Spokane for a huge chunk of my Life, Western Washington basically controls the whole state politically. I would definitely want a different place to control the Country if it happened, I’m not saying I don’t like Olympia. But I think they have too much power.
Every time I've heard about the concept of Cascadia it's been California, Oregon and Washington, not Oregon, Washington and BC... But then again I'm from California so maybe my peers are just being overly optimistic 😂
New state redefinitions would be required, especially if the Bioregion borders are accepted. About 8-9 states - Willamette Valley (Portland), Jefferson (southern Oregon, northern California), Greater Idaho (Eastern Oregon and southern Idaho), Eastern Washington and northern Idaho, Puget Sound (Seattle), Vancouver Island (Victoria), Vancouver city (southwest BC), Northeastern BC (Prince George), and maybe the Pacific Coast of Oregon, north Cal, and Washington. Each state should have guaranteed political and economic autonomy and representation to protect Left (west) vs Right (east) political opinions without threat of domination by opposing factions.
Canadian provinces have the freedom to leave Canada not like the States in the USA. Canada allows its provinces to secede if the majority votes for it. Quebec had 2 referendums.
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Disappointed you're not a real Egyptian.
@@joshuataylor3550 he’s not?
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You had me at "if the US became an Oregon donor".
I laughed so hard I thought I was dying of dysentery
Re provinces seeking sovereignty, the Supreme Court of Canada basically said that as Canadians believe in democracy, any province which held a referendum with a clear question on sovereignty, which garnered a clear majority of the vote, would necessitate that Canada begin negotiations for said province’s succession in “good faith”.
Now if you saw the two referendum questions of 1980 and 1995, you’d understand why a clear question was required. I had friends who swore they could keep their Canadian passports but would no longer have to pay federal taxes.
This is correct, the "clarity act" means that Canadian provinces are allowed independence if a "clear majority" vote for a "clear question" in a fair referendum.
@@sagmilling yea except for when Quebec was gonna have a high enough percentage to leave until the Canadian government quickly let in a bunch of refugees and immigrants to change the vote
@@xelabadman5824 except refugees and immigrants don't have the right to vote. One needs to be a Canadian citizen to vote, but hey if you want to blame the "ethnic vote" knock yourself out.
@@xelabadman5824 The refugee influx has been long after the referendum, you duplicitous troll.
I would seriously be down for Cascadia actually trying to get independence.
Hey, as a Washingtonian I'd be down for Cascadia. Its definitely a different enough region from the rest of North America to warrant being its own thing. BC feels culturally closer in many ways to Washington and Oregon than most other US states do. I've even gotten culture shock going to the east coast. Of course, as was stated many times this is essentially impossible, but its always a fun concept. Also NorCal and the tail of Alaska could definitely belong within the region, although the bits of Idaho are extremely questionable to say the least.
Metro vancouverite here and I’d be stoked
Even tho I'm not native to Cascadia I would live in it ( from Illinois)
I too live in Washington and 100% agree with this. BC is definitely more similar culturally to the West Coast. Even when meeting people from there and going there it isn't as much of a different country as it more feels like a part of an expanded nonexistent country, i.e. Cascadia. Although I don't get as big a culture shock from the East Coast since I lived in Rhode Island for some time.
as a vancouver islander I'd be down honestly.
@@chronicallyboredenby no way people actually live there??
I've lived in Seattle all my life and have met around 7 hardcore Cascadia sessecionists. Is it crazy? Probably. Is it cool to think about? Yeah
So it means immigrants against immigrants for making their own country 😂
Please, for the rest of us, leave.
"Oregon donor" is a delightful dad joke. Thanks for that.
god damnit, project wingman got me thinking of that game's cascadia
As someone born and raised in WA, living in OR, and went to university in AK, visited BC multiply times I love my Cascadia neighbors. We drink, eat and be mary for how beautiful and enjoyable life is. Long live Cascadia
i kinda get wanderlust
question, im a native Portlander, which do you perfer and which is more lgbt friendly, portland or seattle. deciding where to live when i grow up and curently hating idaho, thanks!
I’d be very interested in a video seeing what other Bio-Regional Divides on Turtle Island would look like. I imagine that the great planes would be a pretty economically powerful region (not that there is a lot of the actual planes biome left after its conversation to farm land).
It removes the mountain ecosystem lol.
as someone who lives on the plains, there is PLENTY of "actual planes biomes" left. Thanks to regulations in the 70s and 80s most farmland has a multi-year rotations including going fallow(nothing planted nor tilled) for a year or more. This was originally designed to help artificially inflate the price of wheat and corn ostensibly to help the "small, independent farmer." Of course, it could be argued it helped usher in the corporate farms but thats another discussion.
One of the side effects is that the fallow fields have time for the local biomes to move back in rather quickly. Add in State Parks, National Parks, and Natural Heritage sites and the plains are fine. Its those ones everyone paves over you should be worried about
So Cascadia would be powerful... until a certain federation comes into being. (If you get the reference congratulations)
Heh
@@genericname42 ORANGE
You are solely responsible for this
If you understand this as well, good for you mate
I don't get it.
If Cascadia was a country, the Pacific Federation would do a bit of trolling (nuclear genocide)
Crimson 1: *heavy breathing*
you’re a slave to history
fun fact: in the lore of the game Mirror's Edge an utopian state named Cascadia is actually a thing,
but its geographical features seem to be based on the Australian state of Victoria after a 60-meter rise in sea level.
As a British Columbian it is cool to wonder how the borders could be redrawn. I wish the best to the people Washington and Oregon and hope to visit there someday!
As a Cascadian myself (Oregon) I don't think it would work under any of your proposals in this video if it ever did happen, as east of the Cascades the people would likely be absolutely bitter about it, knowing their lack of representation would carry on into a entirely new nation. So I've believed for years, that it needs to be at least in the beginning, just from the crest of the Cascades west to the coast for it to work out well.
Y'all got some cordium warhea- I mean power plants there?
@@GreatValueMapleSyrup No, but we have lots of cats trained in black ops guerrilla warfare, and hid our plutonium supplies in various lumber and weed related disguises, just in case.
One of the main things I wonder about in cases like Cascadia or to a lesser degree a union of Canada and the US, is the Metro Vancouver region that currently more or less ends at the border in the southern regions of Surrey, Langley and Abbotsford, would be opened up with the removal of said border, allowing the Natural boundary's that block the GVRD's growth to the North and East to in a similar fashion become the new southern boundary. In that sense the southern tip for the GVRD go all the way to Bellingham, with areas like Lynden, Sumas, Blaine, Birch Bay and such becoming immediate targets for the same type of growth seen by Surrey, Burnaby, Coquitlam and others. It would be very interesting to see how those areas could play if seen as parts of Vancouver rather than town near the border with Canada.
I've endured decades waiting for Skytrain and Translink infrastructure to get up to speed (the current 10 year plan should get us to where it should have been in 2000, so I'm sure I can look forward to getting an expo line train to Ferndale by 2060. :P
We could also replace the 4th of July and Canada Day with a new Cascadian National Holiday of Pig Day on June 15th. Celebrating that we've moved on from the boundary dispute that almost caused a war in this region.
what about the future war of encroaching long chile
We'd also be able to do something more effective with the Sumas River so that Abbotsford/Chilliwack would avoid another megaflood anytime soon.
As a Vancouverite, I'm definitely down for this!
Nah May 18th for Mt St Helens
Many years ago there was a proposal for Eastern Oregon to combine with Nevada, calling itself Orevada as a then 49th state.
Nevadan here, that sounds absolutely hilarious and awful, those Pacific Northwesterners and their tendency for hypothetical separatism.
Should join Idaho tbh
@MrPolandball that would be a terrible idea if Idaho annexed eastern Oregon
@@triobros98they lose weed and other freedoms, they also gain sales tax. Idaho is divided as is, the north doesn't like the south
The Pacific Federation would turn everything orange
“Would it succeed if it secedes?”Good word play there
Cascadia would be in my top 5 favourite countries if it ever became independent
What’s your current favorite?
It would also be my 3rd favorite
@@Qypriot Norway
cascadia vs long chile
Crimson 1: you would regret that decision before it's too late
1 minor problem if Cascadia was a country would be in uniting the 2 political cultures. Not just because Vancouver Island would vote either social democrat or green but politicians on both sides of the border would seem like newcomers on the other even if they are prominent on their own.
and the people east of the Cascades are a different culture and value system than those on the wet side
Yes this is true. However if you're *redefining the basis of counteyhood* from nationalism to bioregionalism, with the origins of Cascadia being *firmly rooted in Cascadia* and not in Europe, Britain, or the east coast, with America and Canada seen as foreign colonizers rather than motherland, that is, the conception of Cascadia as an entity defined by place, not nationality, many of those existing political cultures need to change and ultimately Vancouver Island would probably change the least because bioregionalism effectively implies a "Green" ideology. At least relative to what exists today.
Bend would be a cool capital,
We'll see what the Federation has to say about that.
Cordium time?
You got my like at "Oregon donor"
I am from eastern Washington. I would like to bring up that eastern Washington, eastern Oregon and Idaho *hate* the idea of this movement. It would be heavily skewed in favor of the western side, politically, socially and economically with most here being conservative farmers. Eastern Oregon actually tries a few of their own secessions and join Idaho because they hate the western side so much. Washington state always votes democrat because of Puget Sound since so many live in that area, leaving eastern Washington to get outvoted nearly all the time and just reluctantly go through with whatever the west says. I am almost certain if we formed Cascadia, we would have almost no say in anything. Even if it was possible, there is no way the east would stay for long before they have their own secession or even a civil war.
I didn't know that there was a Cascadia independence movement at all.
I live in a red area of Oregon so the separist movements I know of and see here are the "State of Jefferson" and "Greater Idaho"
I'm in conservative rural BC this ideal would be great if we left Vancouver, Seattle and Portland out. Those degrenent cesspools of leftest lunatics can be city states and rot in the hell they vote for.
Oh wow, interesting. I'm from BC and you couldn't get me to join western OR/WA for anything, but you folks out east sound like you've retained some bloody sense. Thanks for enlightening one idiot
speak for yourself. as an Idahoan, FREE CASCADIA
the Vancouver in Washington actually came before the Vancouver in British Columbia
Project Wingman: ORANGE.
Heh, "Oregon Donor"
It reminds me of Project Wingman
I'm one of those rare people who was born in Vancouver (the real one). I've always viewed the other Vancouver as a suburb of Portland, not as a city in its own right. Just like, say, Bellevue or Richmond.
What do you mean by saying that you’re one of the rare ones being born in Vancouver?! What makes you think that you’re different than others in Vancouver?!
I mean it is but I was counting the cities themselves, not the metro areas
Vancouver, WA is the real one you Vancouver thieves!
(btw I am not from either Vancouver so I dont actually give a shit just joshing around)
@@cyrusthegreat1893 She’s referring to the fact that a huge proportion of Vancouver (BC’s) population are either migrants from elsewhere or immigrants from abroad.
(Both of these factors have served to quell British Columbian/Cascadian identity a fair bit in recent years too).
That said, as others have pointed out, the original Vancouver is the one in Washington.
Trust me, we all do
Sincerely, a Washingtonian
(to be fair a lot of the cities in the Cascadian region tend to blend together a lot, considering everyone is crammed between the Cascades and the coast ranges/water)
As a Portland resident, this would be dope. BTW, Vancouver WA was the original Vancouver and was a strategic position for British traders. Now, it acts like a suburb for Portland lol. That kinda proves that Portland is growing in multiple ways.
Even so, I always think of Vancouver BC when hearing the name. Vancouver WA just... doesn't have anything special lol
people here seem to have been rather uncreative when naming things
@@StuffandThings_ It's kinda 50/50 if you were living in Portland, Oregon. Let's blame the British because they are the ones who name both Vancouver.
Love how you snuck in "Fake Vancouver" 😆
I’d support it. Just please take California with you!
Sorry. We only want it down to Arcata.
Edit: And Weed. We'd absolutely annex Weed.
North Hollywood and South Hollywood? Sounds like a Monopoly to me 😎
No we dont want to be a nation with those white granola hippies
@@E4439Qv5 Just because the city’s named Weed??
@@justtheletterV274 _Just because the city's named Weed._ 😎
0:27 "Oregon donor" lol
While the movement started as bioregionalism, politics definitely control borders. The most realistic borders would probably just cut off at the cascades. Hilariously, this would make eastern OR/WA MUCH worse off financially. Even more realistically, Oregon, Washington, and California would just band together as they already have numerous times recently to get any thing done. But as you said, none of this will ever happen. As much as I wish it could. I'm firmly on the "want to get away from america being garbage" side. Bioregionalism is certainly a nice idea in a perfect world buuuut if you've seen Idaho recently, you can understand why I want nothing to do with that lol
fov?
I think Eastern WA or OR would want to remain as part of the US, but it'd be bad for them. And the Cascadians would need to find a way to control their borders.
Ayyy I'm from Olympia, and we literally have a place called Cascadia Grill
How can the deserts of Yakima and Okanagan valleys be part of the same bioregion as the coastal rainforest? What about the prairie zone in the Peace River valley?
I live in Idaho and fly my Doug Flag. I think it's fair to say there's not much interest in this idea east of the Cascades. But for those of us who do care about it, I think our love for the land and our sense of place would hopefully bridge our political differences. If we had to fend for ourselves as a sovereign nation, just maybe people would band together to make it work. I do think that finding a centralized place for the capital would help those of us on the opposite end of the bioregion feel more included. Maybe Spokane?
If we were to go with "Deluxe Cascadia" as you put it, I feel the best place to put a capital would actually be Kennewick so Boise and the rest of east Cascadia doesn't feel left out (and basically no one lives up north so we don't have to worry about that), and I also think if Olympia were made the capital it would give Seattle WAY too much power, leaving Portland, Vancouver, and Boise to pick up the scraps
(I live in Portland too, I've thought about this topic a lot and prefer the bio region design)
I live in western Idaho, and if Cascadia was a country and Olympia was the capital, I would feel less unity and divide between coastal and inland regions.
@@RandomRetallingsofRiggins exactly why Kennewick would be a perfect choice
personally i think making victoria the capital could be a good compromise
Interesting!
What about a planned capital along the Columbia river? That would be strategic (especially if put in the gorge), and would bridge the two regions nicely whilst being incredibly central.
Well if we are redrawing borders, merge Alaska and Yukon into a new country. Also Minnesotta doesn't really have a typical 'Murican approach to things, so they can become a province of Canada where they would fit in much better. Likewise, the USA would probably suit Alberta better than Canada does.
Are you from Alberta?
I am from here and I used to live in the states for a few years, it's nowhere near being better suited to the US
(The people who want to join the US are a very loud and tiny minority or are not very serious)
This would look so hideous on a map. I love it
You wanna join Canada? Go move there. Proud Minnesotan and Proud American right here.
While Minnesota is a bit more Canadian than other states, it’s still very much American (I lived there for 6 years)
You realize we're talking about a place with about 800000 people? And the majority of them are in a single city on the coast? There's no way it would ever survive as a country.
I hope they don’t hire a certain air force mercenary group
"Canada's constitution doesn't allow provinces to leave" Huh? How about the two secession referendums in Quebec? The Supreme Court of Canada did not explicitly ban secession, nor did it allow it. The US Supreme Court by contrast explicitly bans secession.
Quebec’s referenda were entirely provincial endeavors - they weren’t in any way endorsed by the federal government. That said, you’re right that the Supreme Court not long after ruled that there would be a duty to negotiate where a clear will to leave was demonstrated.
The federal government later passed the Clarity Act to ensure another 1995 (deliberately sneaky question to encourage yes votes) wouldn’t count.
@@jyrki21 If British Columbia left then we can say goodbye to Canada because Quebec would definitely leave after that if it hadn't already, and perhaps a domino effect would follow
@@jk-gb4et Good ending:
The world has no country to envy
@@Darium147 why envy canada
Just to fix up these borders I’d include the Alaskan pan handle just cause
for those people who are confused he showed the back side of the Oregon flag. oregon is the only state with a 2 sided flag.
4:55 *G I G G I T Y*
As a Bioregionalist and a Seattlite, I support the USGS Water Resource map as Cascadia’s border. I’m sure Idaho would be totally fine being absorbed by us, and being part of the Oregon Territory again 🤪
you'd be better off stoping Californians then integrating Idaho
Actually, Idaho should annex the regions of Washington and Oregon east of the volcanic range
@@miliba I’m sure eastern WA and OR wouldn’t mind that…until the massive economic engines called Seattle and Portland stopped keeping them afloat, regardless of how idiotic and dysfunctional we’ve been lately 🤔
@@RandomRetallingsofRiggins lol there’s no stopping the Californians, there’s too many of them!
Can I ask you something, how do you think about re-border the Midwest according to USGS water resources map?
Had no idea you were an Oregonian! I just moved here and have quickly become a proud Cascadian myselft!
Enjoyed the animations, they’ve really improved!
Just a question, doesn’t canada allow for secession because of the supreme courts ruling on the Québec issue?
Super late response here, sorry. But yes it does. Iirc you have to have at least a 60% vote to secede though.
If we became independent we'd get destroyed by the Earth's mantle itself. Project Wingman taught me.
5:57 that was an unexpected cameo
In conclusion, hell.
By making this country we get rid of the confusing Point Roberts situation.
4:14
As a european: Seattle biggest city = capital
As an american: let's choose Olympia, small town, 50.000 people
As a Washingtonian I think Portland is important. I’ve been to Portland countless times and it’s one of my favorite places on the planet. It’s a beautiful wonderful city. This is in response to 5:16
I'm from Oregon, If you think Portland is good...Then you would be missing out. I know you have your opinion and that's cool. But places like Eugene (My hometown) and Springfield are so nice.
You should absolutely read 'Ecotopia' by Ernest Callenbach
Eyyy! I grew up in West Linn and Wilsonville, Oregon and lived 16 of my 20 years alive there! I miss it so much!
Hello from Vancouver-Seattle’s Salish Sea bio region of *Cascadia* ❣️ I’m a Canadian married to an American- we got married in both 🇨🇦/🇺🇸 after the pandemic, because we were cut off from each other during the lockdowns (not being married meant we had no legal family status). We identify as Cascadians first/foremost, over our respective countries because we both don’t relate to the macro politics of either country. We.wish we could be a self governing bio region. Maybe one day this will happen …? 🤷🏽♂️
Thank you for the east side mention! Originally from the south east no you dont get to know but its along the columbia. i don't live there anymore but most family does just nice to see its not all the west!
My favorite steam locomotive is located in your city so it's relevant to me.
Yukon,and Alaska as well
You do know that the original capital of the region, when it was governed by the Hudson's Bay Company on behalf of the UK, was Vancouver, Washington. Just across the river from you. One of my several greats uncles was the Chief Factor.
It's a Damn Shame Northern Cali wasn't invited to the Cascadia party :(
Separate Jefferson from California
Cascadia has a pretty cool flag ngl
What would the cascadian coat of arms be
I'm slightly disappointed there weren't any Project Wingman references
Pleasantly surprised to find out you’re also from the PNW. Greetings from Wenatchee!
A topic so nice you’ve covered it twice
4:04 I normally go with Great Value Vancouver but Fake Vancouver works too 😂
That “giggity” after the 69 had me rolling lol
As a native Seattlelite, I feel a much closer cultural, political, and economic affinity towards my British Columbians than say, my Texan and Floridan counterparts.
As a Floridian, places like your look like another planet. Florida is essentially a sand bar. The highest point in the whole state is 350 feet but on average, it's by far the flattest state in the US. Seeing mountains in the distance is just alien to me.
As a Canadian, I'm happy with the province as it is, especially in our own country. I love western oregon but that place is infested with Californians. Don't even get me started on Washington.
As a cascadian who lives in oregon and travels *Alot* to Washington I approve this comment
As someone who lives in Washington, I would not want to see any Portland resident in the same state I call home.
0:47
Malaysia with Singapore: *sweating intensively*
I live in the Northern Idaho "region" and I feel, at least biologically, we are more connected to the coast and the rest of British Colombia than we are to eastern Washington/Oregon. We are, after all, just a big forest.
Wherein Northern Idaho? I grew up in Moscow and Lewiston and they definitely always felt pretty indistinguishable from eastern WA
@@mindy1609 yo actually? I’m from Pullman
@@mindy1609 also mwa hah ha hah, I am gigachad complete Basque, Je non parle Basque lol
@@Atlantique59 Yeah deadass, I live in the Boise area atm and I'm moving to Canada in a few weeks but I was born in Moscow. Spent a fair bit of time in Pullman as a kid, my dad managed the Pizza Perfection restaurant there for a bit I believe
This is really good quality, you can tell it’s made with love
3:38 Oh please leave Montana alone adding that just ruins the border and creates border gore. If we want to say this country exists at least do it like a map game when there's no border gore if you're playing as a country
Actually, thanks to Quebec, Canada has a legal mechanism for a Province to leave Confederation even tho' the Constitution Act, 1882 doesn't mention it.
They almost left Canada back in the 90's
I'm down for this. But, the fires are getting real bad folks. we may need the National Guard. Esp when the big earthquake hits... It would have been nice to do this 50 yrs ago. Then the region could have come together more prepared for these things. Worst thing I've seen is Redwoods burning. I know they do. But in my lifetime I never anything worse than redwoods on fire. If we loose our fog and rain, we could end up a desert too...
I was born in Montana and lived in Spokane for a huge chunk of my Life, Western Washington basically controls the whole state politically.
I would definitely want a different place to control the Country if it happened, I’m not saying I don’t like Olympia.
But I think they have too much power.
Olympia and Seattle
@@Cheeseoogus_ Yep
It would do fine as a country as long as they get a few wacky fighter pilots to protect them…
2:53 That caught me off guard 💀💀💀
Damn near forget Spokane existed lmao.
3:02 This picture was shot in Richmond, BC.
Anyone who’s visted Victoria would pick it, it’s probably the only proper capital city in the region
5:15 hold up, i take it you’re not from Portland? Lol great video, love to see stuff about my home region
Every time I've heard about the concept of Cascadia it's been California, Oregon and Washington, not Oregon, Washington and BC... But then again I'm from California so maybe my peers are just being overly optimistic 😂
I've heard the California-Oregon-Washington combination referred to as "Pacifica."
@@caulkins69 you know what, that might be what I was thinking of actually 😅 thank you lol
@@mayagilstrom3608 and don't forget Hawaiian independence as well in that scenario.
In the boardgame/video game Crimson Skies the Cascadia region became the country of Pacifica.
In Project Wingman it becomes a country of its own. And then explodes.
Me after seeing this comment and seeing Project Wingman:
Ah yes, it's all coming together
"Giggity".
Great video!! Your animations look really nice
YOOOO
ah, that very silent RISK music in the background...
Born in Vancouver, raised in West Kootenay. It's God's green acre, whichever God you like.
Yeah I don’t know why we were unoriginal and named one of our cities after Vancouver British Columbia
1:43 *point roberts intensifies along with the pig war*
there's also the white ethnonationalist version which has a much nicer looking version of the flag
What if California, Baja California & Baja California Sur used as Greater California one independent country?
I'm from Washington and this was a good video
Ahh yes, the "Fake" Vancouver, which predates the Canadian version by like 60 years. Kinda like calling Hydrox "Fake Oreos"
Either the capital would be the cities of seattle, Portland, Vancouver (Washington), Vancouver (British Columbia), and Nanaimo.
New state redefinitions would be required, especially if the Bioregion borders are accepted. About 8-9 states - Willamette Valley (Portland), Jefferson (southern Oregon, northern California), Greater Idaho (Eastern Oregon and southern Idaho), Eastern Washington and northern Idaho, Puget Sound (Seattle), Vancouver Island (Victoria), Vancouver city (southwest BC), Northeastern BC (Prince George), and maybe the Pacific Coast of Oregon, north Cal, and Washington. Each state should have guaranteed political and economic autonomy and representation to protect Left (west) vs Right (east) political opinions without threat of domination by opposing factions.
Canadian provinces have the freedom to leave Canada not like the States in the USA. Canada allows its provinces to secede if the majority votes for it. Quebec had 2 referendums.