Here's everything you can expect from the 2025 Toyota "GRMN" Supra - CAN'T WAIT!
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- čas přidán 4. 07. 2024
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The Supra is going out with a bang for its current generation. Here's what we know about the GRMN Supra. #gazooracing
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There have been three GRMN models to date, the third one is the Toyota Mark X GRMN.
Holy cow I forgot about the mark X
more then that there is the grmn vitz
also a 86 ( GT86 ) GRMN was the first one
@@SkillsandSoul that was the 14r60 not grmn
@@d4fmx the 14r60 was build by trd ... the first GRMN was a 86(GT)
I dont care if it's mostly BMW or not. Ive driven the auto and manual versions of this car and loved every second of both of them. The Supra is just a fast, fun sports car. All the hate needs to end. The car wouldn't exist if it wasnt for the partnership between the 2 companies, so i for one am happy they made it.
The hate won't end until 15+ years down the road when people miss combustion engines and it's wanted like the MKIV became legendary after The Fast and the Furiois.
@@chrisginoc😂😂😂😂 it will never end.
@@Wiggy321 I agree. It will NEVER end.
It would have existed and would have been greater as a fully built Toyota. Examples of very limited production, ground up builds that are market specific are the GR Yaris and Corolla. Both cars MSRP about the same as 4cyl. MK5. Amazing what Toyota can actually on its own huh
@Monelleo1 Toyota has stated many times that the only feasible finacial way to make this car was a partnership to share R&D costs. I don't disagree with you that it could have been better/cooler if it was fully Toyota developed. Butttttt it's not. And it's still a good car.
GRMN Supra with a S58 would be perfect😭
If it were true but not gonna happen
B58 literally has the same potential. They are all 3 liter.
@GarciaQ60 B58 has amazing tuning capabilities but for people that aren't to interested in doing much modding. The S58 Supra will be a weapon straight out of the factory.. 3200lb car pushing 540hp the P/W ratio would be insane!
The B58, has amazing potential. revise the tuning to increase output to around 425HP and it will still be reliable. Plus the B58 sounds way better than the S58, but thats my personal preference.
Every gr model should get the grmn version, the gr86 and gr Corolla
gr86 has relaibility problems , or it mayve been subaru, but both cars very similar. dont need a grmn version because itll be heavy and the whole point is to have fun with lightweight becaue its more agile, easy to control, tires brakes fuel etc last longer and cheaper... supra is enough for the crazy grmn type cars, and i guess they coudl maek all wheel drive version too. gr corolla is similar deal as gr86 but with better sound and all wheel drive high torque everyday driving, not really easy to make for high speed because weight is high abve ground, and engien size is small . what we need is a reduced power steering car where we can feel grip limit and weight shifting aronund more by seats and chasis structures, as a low end sport package with no power upgrade, especially in small cars .... so its more about preserving momentum instead of relying so much on regeneratiev braking to for less fuel use, brake wear, possibly not any more tire wear, lubrication and thermal liquid use,, etc. there can also be lightweighting by gettign rid of stuff made for emotional feeling of quality strudiness , extra quietness and non bumpines, etc, to the extent user wants, and options can be swapped at dealership. there can be switch to modify ow much bumpy ride is wanted in exchange for preservng more momentum around turns. toyota lexus lc500 already had suspension modification knob on the suspension head, toyota kdss active anti roll bar already exists for bigger cars, toyota tacoma trd recently got seats with adjustible shocks at least for driver, so he can have a more communcative chassis if he wants while everyone else can have less bumpy ride. there can also be a electric assited tubro option for power increase, but again, the theme is to spend more money to reduce chemical toxicity and sustianbility of product while enjoying driving more because there are these harmonies of interests between driving fun and these goals. its a uniue type of greenwashing that is enjoyable in a way and actually honest, unlike anything marketed in car world. similar car modification culture is already a popular thing especially with cheaper cars aftermarket, and its likley that most people, especially potentual loyal customers, could value such a class of car because its much more practical. there are youtubers like tom nelson , suspicious observers, magnetic reversal news, tony heller etc that explain the ccliamte change idea , annd youll realize its not what electric car peopel say it is, and even if it was electric cars are wasteful, a small vairable fuel combustion powering pressurized fluid(gas or liquid) and or with supercapictor support or small battery support, could run optimally as turbine or piston converting linear piston energy to useful energy or the INNengine explained recenrtly on youtube channel called "driving 4 answers" ... these things probabyl woudl be best if running on biodiesel , hyrogen , propane, e fuel etc and theyd power reccylable electric motor liek what mahle was talking about making and it woudl be paired to transmission like toyota prius or subaru wrx high torque cvt, or hyundai ioniq hybrid automatic clutch type transmission
Morizo edition is the GRMN for the corolla
The 86 has the new trueno edition
I have money waiting for a GRMN86. Or a Hakone GR86
@@CarsOverPeople gordon murray t43
I hope Toyota doesn't think they can just slap a S58 engine in the GRMN Supra and charge $80K+ without improving the interior.
They will because Toyota fanboy's will pay anything for a Toyota product
I mean they'd prob just slap a Lil carbon on it and be done with it. Most would literally buy it just for the engine alone since the supra is light as is so it'd be so monstrous at everything that it honestly wouldn't matter what the interior looked like.
@@carboydorifutoparty3976 idk man. For $80k I'm expecting something a little more to desire in the interior. When I sit in it, I want it to LOOK like I'm driving an $80k car.
Guys the car will be 500 to 700 at max
You can find some crazy people to buy it easily
@@fredmagic09it's literally BMW interior. 😂
Holy moly S58 in a Supra is going to be nuts. Would love to see a GRMN 86 with the turbo fa24.
It’ll only be rwd tho. I think swapping in the new engine would be the smarter move for most people
Downgrade
Supra Kids will still complain since it's a BMW and will not produce 1 Quintillion HP.
GRMN Supra is still gonna be the coolest tho. Can't wait.
Kirk, you have the VERY BEST subscribers!!! Only here could we *EVER* get this map of Toyota models. Thank you to whoever sent it to you, it's so cool.
I agree 💯
Man, I used to get excited when a new sportscar was announced. Now, I really just don't care. The cars are either very limited or dealers just mark them up to ridiculous prices that they just become unaffordable to the average Joe.
Roads are way too bad where I live to drive another car with low clearance.
Great informative video!! 👍🏾
That front end is a significant upgrade. Hopefully people will manufacture more after market bumpers inspired by this cuz i will buy one for my supra with out a doubt.
Supra German. As a 2022 Supra owner I think this will be a great upgrade if the price is reasonable.
Prob north of 100k USD not including dealer markups lol
@@dAbaPEsTA123 haha it maybe
I would assume weight would have to come up and hopefully they give it a slightly special interior. Maybe even give it the M3 cf bucket seats or the csl style ones. If those are included then the 90k price would make sense. Otherwise my only concern is keeping the weight reasonable with the added cooling for the s58 and if this car will be more track oriented it’ll definitely need it. Regardless hopefully it comes out! I’d definitely get one
Love the Supra, no matter what they say, it looks stunning!
I’m super stoked. Today is a good day! Nothing can beat a GRMN Supra.
If they give Toyota s58 engine it would be detuned m2 version with 453hp also manual and auto would be available since m2 uses manual for s58 engine but I highly doubt it maybe it will be only zf 8speed same as the m2/3/4 version to handle the torque and power of s58
That front end looks so much better 👍
I'm not so sure that the GRMN Supra will get the M3 Competition engine...more likely the 470hp version of the S58. Transmission is most likely going to be the 8 speed ZF transmission, it's unlikely that BMW will bring back the 7 speed DCT from the F80 M3/F82 M4.
I think very likely since this will be one of the last ICE performance engines BMW will make. I think BMW would want their legacy to be known as one of the best ICE engine makers to ever exist. Putting their best engine in the top performance Supra (huge name in car world) will help seal it.
@@dAbaPEsTA123The supra already struggles for traction when tuned. The S58 tune from the m2 would make the most sense. Using the tune for the m3c wouldn't make as much sense. Either way downpipes jb4 and E40 and you're making almost 750 regardless of the variant.
@@LifebyDesign I've been skeptical of this since I heard the rumors, because of the traction difficulties at low/mid speed. There's just so much power its not able to put down. If they make a AWD option it'd be a traction's hunters wet dream, but I'm sure that's just too far past what they'd be willing to mod/re-engineer. Look I'd even take it if they release it with a ridiculous wide-body, and stupid wheels
6:15 launch editions came with red seats/ I believe there were tan seats as well
A91-MT is the only one with tan seats, otherwise the others were either black, black and red, or the cool black red accented seats in the A91-CF
Lol I am glad you explained what GRMN means. I initially thought it just meant Supra but GERMAN and GRMN is short for German....lol. Quite fitting since BMW is German.
North American A90 supra does come with partial red interior very similar to the photo you shown with the JDM one.
We can only expect what BMW green lights for Toyota.
Kirk, any word if Lexus will bring the LC 500 ultimate edition with all that Takumi tuning of the engine and drive line to the states?
I had the air cooled twin - 800cc in the S800 and Publica, and even minibuses
I love that render, and the A90/91 have really grown on me over the years, but this will basically be a collectors car unfortunately. All of these cool cars coming out at the same time as this weird Twilight Zone car market is such a bummer. I wonder if we'll see them south of $150k anywhere? It'll definitely be a Supra selling for Porsche money, and all but a lucky few will gather dust in their respective garages/warehouses. Really cool vehicle though!
That new front bumper looks way better than the current one. It looks closer to the successor to the MK4 than the current bumper
90k is justifiable IF it is limited production, with the S58 in it, all the bits you described, and a few manual trans. gotta start making these cars rare, not just yearly color change and call it limited.
If the mass produced Supra has markup cant wait to see the markup on these
That front end makes me wanna cry😢 in a good way
There is also a Mark X GRMN. Supercharged V6 6sp manual RWD!
Yes I forgot! JDM only right?
@@KirkKreifels yea! Like the grmn yaris
I fucking love the way this car. Haters literally do not understand just how important partnerships are and how good this is.
The next model hopefully comes with s58 engine
While it's not impossible, I find it less than 1% chance the Supra will get the S58. The S58 is BMW's crown engine, they will not give that up. IF it does, it will get the detuned M2 S58. This rumor has been going on since the MY21 and there's no evidence of it. As for price, if I'm gonna spend 92k on a vehicle with an S58, I'll get the manual M3 specked how I want it.
Yeah, the Z4 doesn’t even get the S58. Those Germans over in Bavaria won’t let Toyota grab the S58.
@@limitedreach4446tbh the Z4 is forgotten tbh. And yet they let toyo slightly retune the same 6 speed manual u see in the G80 M3/M4 so to say it's not likely isn't true if they're already letting them share the trans off of them.
@@carboydorifutoparty3976 BMW doesn't own the rights to the transmission, ZF does. BMW just so happens to choose the ZF brand as their transmission of choice for autos and manuals both. I still say while not impossible, I find it less than 1% chance of it actually happening for the S58 Supra
@@ezioahmet4192 fair. Guess a compromise of them not getting a S58 in the mk5 would be if it's possible to atleast get the twin turbos off the S58 and see if they can fit the B58(considering how much power they can make alone) will have lag obviously but that wouldn't stop people from throwing power at them.
@@carboydorifutoparty3976 I don't think the twin turbos can be put onto the B58 considering the cylinder head is different on the S58 (I doubt the cost for R&D would be worth it at all, it'd probably end up being as expensive as a base model M3). It also runs into the issue of room in the engine bay. The M3, M4, and the other M SUVs that have the S58 have much larger engine bays. The B58 takes up a ton of room in the Supra, especially with BMW's tilted design for all their engines. If people really want an S58 powered Supra, the easiest thing they can do is buy one from a wrecked M car and make it fit. Which is questionable if it would fit, considering the placement of the intercooler rests on the intake side of the block, need for double the intake piping, all the design aspects of B58 vs S58. I would love to see that swap done, but an S58 powered Supra isn't worth the R&D for Toyota or BMW for it to be a special edition for a single year at the end of the MK5's life cycle
Was hoping for a GR Celica and/or GR MR2
I have the '23 A91 MT and love it. I won't be dropping 90k on one.
I've been planning on spending that money on an RC-F, but a manual version of this would definitely get my attention.
Lol it’ll cost twice as much as the rcf are going for
Stick with the RC-F gang, especially if you care about reliability
@@Nhxn_ reliability? Unless you’re keeping the car for like over 150k miles, not gonna be much difference lmao. Prob better off getting the regular manual one with b58
@@MikeyG003 Because it's a lot of money just for the car already, unless OP wants to spend more money on repairs that's on him. But some people want to own a car for a long time, not just trade it in later before it breaks down like most BMW owners.
@@Nhxn_ so you’re assuming it’s gonna breakdown? Lmao think you need to go do some research. A lot of people that buy bmws just like getting new cars often, so they get newer stuff that doesn’t mean it’s breaking down 😂 you prob haven’t owned either yet you’re making assumptions, funny.
Correction: S58 is not co-developed by Toyota. Just like the B58 is also not co developed by Toyota. It was Toyota who wanted these engines from BMW. Toyota just made some changes to mapping and power delivery to the Supra’s B58.
I think co-developed is a strong suggestion. I would say Toyota had heavy influence on the Supras B58 because they have to protect their reliability track record. Toyota did take the B58 and put it through the ringer and had BMW build it to "Toyota"spec. That is about all i know from the partnership. I mean look up Mike botti, he is a tuner that has gotten B58s all the way to 900whp before breaking something. that alone should say something about the engine build.
@@anthonymaldonado8018 Toyota had heavy influence on the Supra but not the powertrain side. Toyota had a lot more input on the body and handling/driving dynamics. Things like bushing and spring-rate stiffness, handling balance, body rigidity. Body rigidity is a big one, the Supra's body is so rigid that it's actually closer to the Lexus LFA than the Z4.
On the powertrain side, the idea of an engine like the B58 engine has existed within the BMW long before the development of the Supra even started. B58 was the main thing Toyota wanted from BMW. BMW made the B58 so good (probably to impress Toyota) so Toyota didn't have to do major revisions on the hardware side of the whole powertrain, just some fine tuning and calibration adjustments to separate it a little bit from the Z4.
I know the internet people are creating a narrative that everyone is understating Toyota's role in the development of the whole platform but it's actually the other way around. People (especially JDM fanboys) are not giving BMW enough credit for their role on that platform.
@@anthonymaldonado8018 Btw I know all about Mike Botti. Fantastic tuner. I've been following the inline-6 tuning world very very closely starting back in 2000s. Mike is now making big waves on the S58 platform too.
Nothing was done to the b58 by Toyota. It was just bought and placed in my guy.
My dream car supra if that happens 400hp sheesh
Look stunning
Man I wish they would have a GRMN Corolla.
Also It's so unfair how the GR Yaris didn't come to the USA!
I hope it release overseas.
I want a GR86 MN so that I can have it with my S2K CR haha!
I used to owed a Supra in 87 I would love to have a new one in the future
I have a 2.0 and love it have had it for 2 going on 3 years unfortunately I’m in cali so no modding unless carb cert parts and the police are becoming more prominent but even so the b48 and for the 3.0 b58 engines have been modified and proven to last under mods so they’re cool cars
Bro I WANT THIS YARIS. I would drop money on this. I still have my 09 Yaris and I might be in the market soon for a new Toyota Sports car.
queue the BMW GeRMaN jokes lol
GeRMaN Supra 🏁
Man wish they made the CR Corolla with GR Supra power :(
The Mark X GRMN has a manual version. So… there's hope.
I know domestics are not your thing...but I wish we got the Ford Puma ST in the U.S.
think ill grab one of these, but we'll see what the new c8 trims look like
They need to bring in the GRMN in manual guise.
Prius GRMN should just get the next LFB’s twin turbo V8 and hybrid tech
WE have red interiors in Canada.
Maybe GRMN low key stands for "German" because the new Supra really is a German built car. LOL
I was thinking the same thing!!!! LMAO Definitely stands for German! 🤣
Stands for Gazoo Racing Miester (master) of Nurburgring
Lol
the 2024 Yaris GRMN cost in Germany with the perfomance package only € 65k = USD 72k 👍👍👍
I don't see this car having more than 444 HP. I mean I guess it could possibly creep up to 450 but nothing more!
So will there be a regular GR supra in 2025, updated, same as the current price that’s not MN!?
It’s a GR Supra made in Minnesota.
GR MN… at first when you said that I thought you were trying to say German 😂💀
This sounds like a Morizo Edition already lol
the nice thing about toyota using BMW engines is a $750 tune gets you 20% more hp
I hope the front bumper looks like that so i can buy a rep lol
Once you get past $90k, you are getting close to entering NSX NC territory, and at that point, the exotic look of that car would pull me in.
Dealer markup this car gonna be 200k lmao
If you think about it, all Supras are GeRMaN
Well yes and no. They're built in Austria, so technically they're Austrian
The all new Supra M3
@@Brian_Eugene_Lee I want the og m3 homage like that m3 csl they didn't oversize the pig nose
GeRMaN ? Is it April 1st already?! :D (Ok... now back onto the video...)
Hmm so tempting, but at that price, no way I can afford that
Oh man I was so excited until I heard that its gonna be limited... probably won't even come here to where I live
So a German supra? What if they made a turbo GRMN86!?
Looks like a Porsche Caiman
I wonder what James May would say about the GRMN Supra
Interesting, isn't it, that Toyota and BMW collaborated on the Supra/Z4 platform and suddenly, BMW has produced its most reliable engine in history - the B58. They have never admitted publicly that there was input from Toyota, but show me another 8 yr old BMW (B58 started selling in the 340i in 2015 as a '16 model year) with any of their other engines that still ranks as "far above average" reliability in Consumer Reports. All B58 and B58TU equipped BMW's have been very reliable, which is a shock. The Toyota connection is the only explanation.
$92k? I must have missed something. I remember when car makers made cars as powerful as possible, reasonably priced and sold as many as they could make.
Everytime he says GRMN is sounds like he is saying German lol, kinda fitting. Would love to get my hands on one of these but sounds like my chances are very slim
I just got my new job, making $31/hr. Unlimited Overtime, and I just made 10k after taxes this month. Hopefully by the time this car comes out I can snatch one up
Can't wait for this to come out so the regular supra gets more afforrdable (a bit). I need a bit of a daily driver, the GRMN will be too harsh for me.
I know Toyota is trying to do more of their sports car in-house. But what if they utilized their relationship with Mazda and made a Supra from their new straight-six? All dependent on Mazda making a new MX work out too of course, but that won’t be so bad right? Mazda can break German oligopoly on sport touring coups and maybe a convertible?
Is far too new to really use and the tech on it is up there. Plus it hasn't been inherently long since they brought it out yet so they'd understandingly wouldn't want to use it since it's so new vs the engines being ran in the mk5 as is rn including all the advantages they have over mazdas I6 especially in terms of power.
I think they should partner with Yamaha, give them the G16E engines and make a 3.2 Inline 6. Also let the Supra share the same platform as the production “GR GT3 Concept” (“LFR”). Sure it’ll be a hundred thousand dollar car but 🤷♂️. Just have the next gen “86” go up in price (with performance and etc.) and have a new “MR2” or “Celica” become the new entry level sports car.
I thought they already have a v6 that’s used in the lotus vehicle
Toyota owns both Yamaha and Mazda (partly, not wholly).
@@farooki8021 then that'd defeat the purpose of the 86 being their low end sportscar that's supposed to go against the miata and etc. They more or less aren't changing that anytime soon either that they may as well just make a new chassis for a car with all that but even then they'd just ditch that idea and make it a EV since everything's going to be hybrid or ev later down the line with almost every toyo model once 2030 comes around.
Cool
the longer i watch this the sadder i get because i cant afford to buy the GRMN supra
The Supra is indeed GeRMaN 😅
"GRMN" - GeRMaN😊
Pretty fitting that the car is heavily based on a BMW and the high performance trim is the GRMN (German) 😭😭😭
Well...$25k markup taking GRMN to $110k or more. No way we get 500hp...prob M2 engine 450ish
I don’t would be able willing to pay 100k. I just hope it really happens.🤞🏻🤞🏻
Just as Nissan is about to release the Skyline Z 😮
Love how Toyota is getting some many great cars. Also not so happy how Lexus has been left out…
Toyoda to blame..... . He has left as Ceo, thank God for that! Lexus will het a more prominent position in product development, although the cancellation of the LS successor is not a good indication in my opinion.
new gx is coming out.
@@avdp9095 - not quite. I mean, there's also the GR GT3 Concept that's going to be run under the Lexus badge.
@@avdp9095 the current LS is not very competitive therefore its selling like crap
The LFA is on the way
Why the hell can’t we get a two-door hatchback!! No GTI, no Yaris, no Veloster, not Peugeots or Renaults, and no Focus’. Really sucks that market has dried up in the US.
No targa top im guessing huh?
Grmn is only produced with manual.
200hp never looked so fast!!
Ladyboy cars rock!
They aren't thai cars wtf are you talking about?
@@ramanmonkey - he's underestimating just how capable the Supra is (even if the car sold has the EU market-based, 338 ponies B58 engine).
TLDR: He's most likely a poser.
I clicked the video thinking GRMN was a joke. Taking the fact that people don't like that the Supra is essentially a german car a BMW and tge "GR" gazoo racing logo exists, GRMN sounds like "German" 🤣🤣🤣.
Sounds like German! 😂
I'd pay one BTC gladly for one, but I would prefer to co own one with a few other ppl tbh
If you say GRMN fast enough, it sounds like German. They better not be a Japan only.
anyway, not related toyota .
denso started to moved spark plug and o2 sensor div. to NGK , also NGK is changed to nittera co. reason denso will be focusing on electrics motor tech at moments. so now nittera will be monopolized the big supply chain in engine compartment part
People hate on BMW yet its ranked 3rd in reliability behind lexus and toyota. People love the GR86 yet blows up but people dont cry about it being a subaru LOL
RX9!!!!
launch edition has red seats
Thanks! Never got a chance to drive one
@@KirkKreifels Don’t worry kirk neither have I…. Only had black interior in mine.
They've been talking about the GRMN since 2021. Most likely thing to expect from the GRMN is it will never exist.