You can see the origins, but I would suggest the 'British Empire' sucked the grace out of the beautiful Circassian traditions, to bring home an approximation. LOL :)
@@Antonandonandon Or the Circassians sucked the 'grace' out their own dance having witnessed the superior steps of Scottish country dancing. Nobody forced them to adjust to suit.
hi everybody im very happy to see our national dance of Circassians in Scotland this mean we had a good relation between us like a circassian we have a lot of dance in our culture and this dance name is (udj kafe) thank you it was very nice dancing
@@omurvefa1710 Apart from the fact that it is not a Circassian dance ... how can a dance be stolen? Even if it were a dance based upon some dance from Circassia (again, it's not), how could this be something to be outraged about? Cultural influence in music dance, song is absolutely fundamental between all human societies, and especially their folk cultures. Do you imagine that each of these exchanges and influences are all acts of "theft"? That by being influenced by another culture is to "steal"? By that measure there would be no English or Scottish country dances left after they were "stolen" by the French, Germans, South Americans, Canadians, South Africans ... the list goes on. Bretons now do their own version of the Circassian circle ... should we demand that they return it? The idea is just silly. All you are showing is an ignorance of English and Scottish country dance. That's perfectly forgivable, after all why should you know anything. But this ridiculous cry of some sort of cultural outrage being committed in the 18th century by country dancers from Britain is nonsensical. This is my answer to the original accusation: ###################### To all those that think that this dance is from Circassia, or an adaptation of a Circassian dance. No, it isn't. Every move in the dance is common to a great many other Country Dances (English and Scottish). This is a fairly modern construction of the dance. If you look back you'll see much longer and more complex Country Dances called "Circassian Circle", and in fact, the dance shown here would historically be more properly be called "The Big Set" or "Grand Circle Dance." Traditions develop, so this is what we now call the "Circassian Circle." btw. The set formation in this dance is called a sicilian circle, and, yes, you've guessed it, it's not from Sicily but simply named after a dance called "The Sicilian Circle." In the 16th, 18th and 19th centuries, dances in Country Dance publications got all sorts of exotic names. This indicates a type of marketing, of exoticism, not an indication of where the dances came from. EDITED TO ADD: Also, I note that this version of the dance is a little different from the version I've usually danced. eg. The step and balance. Also, it is progressive here (ie. dancers change partners every time through), where it is also often danced as a non-progressive dance. All of this is quite normal variation. #########################
@@omurvefa1710 I know people on CZcams comments often act like idiots ... is that what you are doing? Acting? Because your answer makes no sense, and your claim of "theft" is utterly stupid. Even if the "Circassian Circle" dance was influenced by actual Circassian dances ... so what? What are you trying to claim? That cultures are pure, uninfluenced etc? What would you base that "purity" upon? Notions of race? Would they be "pure" in your mind too? Your notions apart from being utterly and brainlessly ignorant are also pretty dangerous. Cultural or racial purity does not exist and never has done. You can take your stupid grievance and shove it where the light don't shine.
@@andrewwigglesworth3030 It is impossible for you to reach the richness of our culture, our dances are just a similar name.😏 czcams.com/video/rwFE_UThExo/video.html
Probably because it was based on the Circasian Circle Dance called "Wudj Khurai" ("Circle-Dance") - czcams.com/video/Syc0chKgqkQ/video.html It is said it was used as a form of worship by circling a great tree that symbolises the forest God, Mez-i-t'ha.It literally means "Circle Dance" in Circassian and the British version is called "Circasian"; they probably adopted this form of circle dance from them and put Celtic music onto it. There's already a high similarity between Circasian-Caucasian and Celtic music, so it wouldn't be too far off for their dances to also be similar.
It is probably a distant part of the dance's history. Unrecognisable now. There is a Breton version - czcams.com/video/FERQK-3uJ4Q/video.html (performed in Ireland) but this is maybe more 'authentic' - czcams.com/video/ZON3oH066wE/video.html (in Russia) The Breton version has much in common with Kurdish wedding-dance! - czcams.com/video/YMKwiITBMaY/video.html The circle is such a fundamental shape, and there are only so many possible steps. It seems unlikely that many Scots travelled to the Caucasus, or vice-versa. Google finds "Scottish Missionaries (1802-1835) in the North Caucasus", but I very much doubt they were into dancing! There is an old tradition here of not even having musical instruments in church! It's all good.
Marisa Barroso - The Circassian Circle or 'The grand Circle' originates from a figure in the old quadrilles. Another form is the Sicilian Circle which is a couple facing a couple round the room. This is the forst figure of the old quadrilles. The Sicilian was published in the RSCDS book 1.
No problem, Book 1 was published in the early 1920s so is difficult to find in book form. However, all the dances can be found on the following website. www.scottish-country-dancing-dictionary.com/rscds-book-1.html
To all those that think that this dance is from Circassia, or an adaptation of a Circassian dance. No, it isn't. Every move in the dance is common to a great many other Country Dances (English and Scottish). This is a fairly modern construction of the dance. If you look back you'll see much longer and more complex Country Dances called "Circassian Circle", and in fact, the dance shown here would historically be more properly be called "The Big Set" or "Grand Circle Dance." Traditions develop, so this is what we now call the "Circassian Circle." btw. The set formation in this dance is called a sicilian circle, and, yes, you've guessed it, it's not from Sicily but simply named after a dance called "The Sicilian Circle." In the 16th, 18th and 19th centuries, dances in Country Dance publications got all sorts of exotic names. This indicates a type of marketing, of exoticism, not an indication of where the dances came from. EDITED TO ADD: Also, I note that this version of the dance is a little different from the version I've usually danced. eg. The step and balance. Also, it is progressive here (ie. dancers change partners every time through), where it is also often danced as a non-progressive dance. All of this is quite normal variation.
@@omurvefa1710 Apart from the fact that it is not a Circassian dance ... how can a dance be stolen? Even if it were a dance based upon some dance from Circassia (again, it's not), how could this be something to be outraged about? Cultural influence in music dance, song is absolutely fundamental between all human societies, and especially their folk cultures. Do you imagine that each of these exchanges and influences are all acts of "theft"? That by being influenced by another culture is to "steal"? By that measure there would be no English or Scottish country dances left after they were "stolen" by the French, Germans, South Americans, Canadians, South Africans ... the list goes on. Bretons now do their own version of the Circassian circle ... should we demand that they return it? The idea is just silly. All you are showing is an ignorance of English and Scottish country dance. That's perfectly forgivable, after all why should you know anything. But this ridiculous cry of some sort of cultural outrage being committed in the 18th century by country dancers from Britain is nonsensical. This is my answer to the original accusation: ###################### To all those that think that this dance is from Circassia, or an adaptation of a Circassian dance. No, it isn't. Every move in the dance is common to a great many other Country Dances (English and Scottish). This is a fairly modern construction of the dance. If you look back you'll see much longer and more complex Country Dances called "Circassian Circle", and in fact, the dance shown here would historically be more properly be called "The Big Set" or "Grand Circle Dance." Traditions develop, so this is what we now call the "Circassian Circle." btw. The set formation in this dance is called a sicilian circle, and, yes, you've guessed it, it's not from Sicily but simply named after a dance called "The Sicilian Circle." In the 16th, 18th and 19th centuries, dances in Country Dance publications got all sorts of exotic names. This indicates a type of marketing, of exoticism, not an indication of where the dances came from. EDITED TO ADD: Also, I note that this version of the dance is a little different from the version I've usually danced. eg. The step and balance. Also, it is progressive here (ie. dancers change partners every time through), where it is also often danced as a non-progressive dance. All of this is quite normal variation. #########################
Sonderfall! Is the first time when I see such a lovely dance! The people like to live, to joke and to dance!
Wow, I'm a Circassian and I didn't know you had such a dance. Very cool!
You can see the origins, but I would suggest the 'British Empire' sucked the grace out of the beautiful Circassian traditions, to bring home an approximation. LOL :)
@@Antonandonandon czcams.com/video/ua95fPR6HC8/video.html or dance
@@Antonandonandon Or the Circassians sucked the 'grace' out their own dance having witnessed the superior steps of Scottish country dancing. Nobody forced them to adjust to suit.
hi everybody
im very happy to see our national dance of Circassians in Scotland this mean we had a good relation between us
like a circassian we have a lot of dance in our culture and this dance name is (udj kafe)
thank you it was very nice dancing
See my other comment. This dance is not from Circassia, or connected to Circassian dancing.
Shaftsu qafa!
@@omurvefa1710 Apart from the fact that it is not a Circassian dance ... how can a dance be stolen?
Even if it were a dance based upon some dance from Circassia (again, it's not), how could this be something to be outraged about? Cultural influence in music dance, song is absolutely fundamental between all human societies, and especially their folk cultures.
Do you imagine that each of these exchanges and influences are all acts of "theft"? That by being influenced by another culture is to "steal"? By that measure there would be no English or Scottish country dances left after they were "stolen" by the French, Germans, South Americans, Canadians, South Africans ... the list goes on. Bretons now do their own version of the Circassian circle ... should we demand that they return it? The idea is just silly.
All you are showing is an ignorance of English and Scottish country dance. That's perfectly forgivable, after all why should you know anything. But this ridiculous cry of some sort of cultural outrage being committed in the 18th century by country dancers from Britain is nonsensical.
This is my answer to the original accusation:
######################
To all those that think that this dance is from Circassia, or an adaptation of a Circassian dance. No, it isn't. Every move in the dance is common to a great many other Country Dances (English and Scottish).
This is a fairly modern construction of the dance. If you look back you'll see much longer and more complex Country Dances called "Circassian Circle", and in fact, the dance shown here would historically be more properly be called "The Big Set" or "Grand Circle Dance." Traditions develop, so this is what we now call the "Circassian Circle."
btw. The set formation in this dance is called a sicilian circle, and, yes, you've guessed it, it's not from Sicily but simply named after a dance called "The Sicilian Circle."
In the 16th, 18th and 19th centuries, dances in Country Dance publications got all sorts of exotic names. This indicates a type of marketing, of exoticism, not an indication of where the dances came from.
EDITED TO ADD: Also, I note that this version of the dance is a little different from the version I've usually danced. eg. The step and balance. Also, it is progressive here (ie. dancers change partners every time through), where it is also often danced as a non-progressive dance. All of this is quite normal variation.
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@@omurvefa1710 I know people on CZcams comments often act like idiots ... is that what you are doing? Acting? Because your answer makes no sense, and your claim of "theft" is utterly stupid.
Even if the "Circassian Circle" dance was influenced by actual Circassian dances ... so what? What are you trying to claim? That cultures are pure, uninfluenced etc? What would you base that "purity" upon? Notions of race? Would they be "pure" in your mind too?
Your notions apart from being utterly and brainlessly ignorant are also pretty dangerous. Cultural or racial purity does not exist and never has done. You can take your stupid grievance and shove it where the light don't shine.
@@andrewwigglesworth3030 It is impossible for you to reach the richness of our culture, our dances are just a similar name.😏 czcams.com/video/rwFE_UThExo/video.html
Anne with an e surely bought me here^^
I am circassian from Russia.
I love the kafe, marvellous dancing
We learned this in school. Even if you had to to dance with the teacher. I copp'd a feel. haha, I miss this!
You think it's funny copping a feel on a woman who probably wasn't expecting it?
Alba Wey Wey Adiga Wey Wey!
Just love that comment from Jessie.........All the posh folk to the inside....get's a laugh you bet....
Country Addicts Meyras - Yes, tunes are as follows:
Original
Staten island
The breakdown
Come dance and sing
Thanks
Callum
Very well
Hi ! Please, could you mention the title of that music by Ewan Galloway ?
why the name of this dance "circassian circle"? circassian people live on caucasus..
Probably because it was based on the Circasian Circle Dance called "Wudj Khurai" ("Circle-Dance") - czcams.com/video/Syc0chKgqkQ/video.html
It is said it was used as a form of worship by circling a great tree that symbolises the forest God, Mez-i-t'ha.It literally means "Circle Dance" in Circassian and the British version is called "Circasian"; they probably adopted this form of circle dance from them and put Celtic music onto it. There's already a high similarity between Circasian-Caucasian and Celtic music, so it wouldn't be too far off for their dances to also be similar.
See my other comment. This dance is not from Circassia, or connected to Circassian dancing.
It is probably a distant part of the dance's history. Unrecognisable now.
There is a Breton version - czcams.com/video/FERQK-3uJ4Q/video.html (performed in Ireland)
but this is maybe more 'authentic' - czcams.com/video/ZON3oH066wE/video.html (in Russia)
The Breton version has much in common with Kurdish wedding-dance! - czcams.com/video/YMKwiITBMaY/video.html
The circle is such a fundamental shape, and there are only so many possible steps.
It seems unlikely that many Scots travelled to the Caucasus, or vice-versa.
Google finds "Scottish Missionaries (1802-1835) in the North Caucasus", but I very much doubt they were into dancing!
There is an old tradition here of not even having musical instruments in church!
It's all good.
Адыги Европеоидная расса, сам Адыг ( Черкес)
Why this dance is called Circassian circle dance? While Scotland is to far from Circassia the homeland of Cherkess people.
I'm surprised no one broke a hip
Who is the author of this choreographic adaptation? Very good.
Marisa Barroso - The Circassian Circle or 'The grand Circle' originates from a figure in the old quadrilles. Another form is the Sicilian Circle which is a couple facing a couple round the room. This is the forst figure of the old quadrilles. The Sicilian was published in the RSCDS book 1.
I'm very grateful for the answer. It was very sympathetic. Please allow me one more question. What is the RSCDS book 1 where I can find it?
No problem, Book 1 was published in the early 1920s so is difficult to find in book form. However, all the dances can be found on the following website. www.scottish-country-dancing-dictionary.com/rscds-book-1.html
@@CallumStuart Thank you! 🤗👍
Hallo jemand Deutsch
To all those that think that this dance is from Circassia, or an adaptation of a Circassian dance. No, it isn't. Every move in the dance is common to a great many other Country Dances (English and Scottish).
This is a fairly modern construction of the dance. If you look back you'll see much longer and more complex Country Dances called "Circassian Circle", and in fact, the dance shown here would historically be more properly be called "The Big Set" or "Grand Circle Dance." Traditions develop, so this is what we now call the "Circassian Circle."
btw. The set formation in this dance is called a sicilian circle, and, yes, you've guessed it, it's not from Sicily but simply named after a dance called "The Sicilian Circle."
In the 16th, 18th and 19th centuries, dances in Country Dance publications got all sorts of exotic names. This indicates a type of marketing, of exoticism, not an indication of where the dances came from.
EDITED TO ADD: Also, I note that this version of the dance is a little different from the version I've usually danced. eg. The step and balance. Also, it is progressive here (ie. dancers change partners every time through), where it is also often danced as a non-progressive dance. All of this is quite normal variation.
@@omurvefa1710 Apart from the fact that it is not a Circassian dance ... how can a dance be stolen?
Even if it were a dance based upon some dance from Circassia (again, it's not), how could this be something to be outraged about? Cultural influence in music dance, song is absolutely fundamental between all human societies, and especially their folk cultures.
Do you imagine that each of these exchanges and influences are all acts of "theft"? That by being influenced by another culture is to "steal"? By that measure there would be no English or Scottish country dances left after they were "stolen" by the French, Germans, South Americans, Canadians, South Africans ... the list goes on. Bretons now do their own version of the Circassian circle ... should we demand that they return it? The idea is just silly.
All you are showing is an ignorance of English and Scottish country dance. That's perfectly forgivable, after all why should you know anything. But this ridiculous cry of some sort of cultural outrage being committed in the 18th century by country dancers from Britain is nonsensical.
This is my answer to the original accusation:
######################
To all those that think that this dance is from Circassia, or an adaptation of a Circassian dance. No, it isn't. Every move in the dance is common to a great many other Country Dances (English and Scottish).
This is a fairly modern construction of the dance. If you look back you'll see much longer and more complex Country Dances called "Circassian Circle", and in fact, the dance shown here would historically be more properly be called "The Big Set" or "Grand Circle Dance." Traditions develop, so this is what we now call the "Circassian Circle."
btw. The set formation in this dance is called a sicilian circle, and, yes, you've guessed it, it's not from Sicily but simply named after a dance called "The Sicilian Circle."
In the 16th, 18th and 19th centuries, dances in Country Dance publications got all sorts of exotic names. This indicates a type of marketing, of exoticism, not an indication of where the dances came from.
EDITED TO ADD: Also, I note that this version of the dance is a little different from the version I've usually danced. eg. The step and balance. Also, it is progressive here (ie. dancers change partners every time through), where it is also often danced as a non-progressive dance. All of this is quite normal variation.
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