Much needed explanation of how to practice and make swing changes. At 7:30 - 7:40 you talk about "over time" you will lose your bad swing. About how long might that be and how many good reps would that require?
Hey Bill! IT all depends on the FREQUENCY that you do it. If you hit balls every single day, 7 days a week. 20 balls with pure focus and excellent feedback.....maybe 3-6 months. If you hit balls 2-3 times per week you may still get that time frame. Anything less than that is more likely 6-12 months. If you're talking about your swing shows up on the course with no effort with new changes....closer to 12 months. But you should be moving CLOSER to that and hitting it BETTER along the way if you are doing it right
The one super useful thing I got out of "The Golfing Machine" was what he said about practicing your swing. Even when you're practicing with a ball you can't be concerned with the direction of the ball or even contact. You are practicing your swing, and the ball is irrelevant at that point. You are only concerned with where the ball goes while you are doing "playing practice" or when you are "playing". The ball flight doesn't matter when you are working on your swing. It made me realize that my swing faults are just compensations that happen while I'm trying to hit the ball.
Great video Eric. I am working on winter swing changes so this is perfect timing. As you always say....it’s a marathon not a sprint when making swing changes. Keep the great videos coming.
This is a great video. Having more instructors provide guidance on how to “learn” is so key. The other advice from Eric from other videos and consistent reinforcement of “exaggeration” and “feel vs real” has helped me tremendously get more confidence in how to learn and change something in my swing. Great stuff, keep it up.
Golf is such a “head” game. This instruction addresses the head to achieve proper body movement. The feel of the bad between the goods makes total sense instead of just pounding balls. Happy New Year and thanks for all the great content.
Appreciate it! Agreed! Im confident these practice "principles" will prove VERY effective....the trick is doing it long enough and consistently enough to reap the rewards!
Great content, Eric. I've been talking to myself lately during practice, verbalizing what I am trying to do and also correcting myself out loud when I make a mistake. Glad to know that it is helping, even if the neighbors think I am nuts.
Gr8 practice process.... golf is a game of process... learning is process.. love it. BTW.. got a Liveview Pro... gr8 feedback.... I managed to drastically shorten my backswing by viewing face on... ball striking is soooo improved... thanks so much for recommending the liveview pro. You have a gr8 talent for sharing your knowledge 👍❤⛳🏌️♂️🤟.
Love your "two people" videos, Eric - I've found they pack in a huge amount of useful information. I stopped going to the range a few years ago simply because I came to the conclusion I had no idea how to practice efficiently - all I was doing was practising my faults and getting worse. But over the last year or two I have seen the occasional video like this that covers the process of practising and learning. Great stuff.
Great video Eric, I may have missed it but to take it from the range to the course are you guys advocating taking the good, bad, good practice swings onto the course as well.
Hey Tom! I would say no to that. Only for range. We did a video with some of Iains ideas on how to take that range swing to the course here czcams.com/video/MdJYPrieorI/video.html
I feel that this is so important... we all want to progress and learn as quickly as possible and this just might be the key to that. Thanks for the video!
This is great stuff. I'm working on swing changes at the moment and have been wondering how to do this in the most effective way. I'll give this a try for sure
Thanks very much for this. I am absolutely guilty of just smashing balls on the range and then wondering why I never embed the new bits I'm working on. Defo going to give this a try.
@@CogornoGolf I have done the spacing and variation thing my last 3 range sessions. It's great and I think I'm never going back to the old way. My shots felt like course shots, as opposed to range 'in a groove' shots, and there is a discernible difference.
Yes... 1. Make sure your body is OPEN enough 2. Add in a feedback station to give you immediate feedback like below czcams.com/video/HMWq-WZR-0k/video.html czcams.com/video/q43rhyr6-vE/video.html czcams.com/video/BKrxVvyp0_A/video.html
Hi Eric, Great video as always. Happy New Year and thanks for all the great instruction. I follow each new upload although sometimes I think it is too much info. lol. I had a thought about future content. Has anyone ever made a eye-ball perspective of what the swing is supposed to look like from the player's perspective??? I just thought about it because the view ad address and then the takeaway is so angular and golf swing model-esque, if that makes sense. Looking at my arms, part of my legs and my hands, I look like one of those stick figure animations making a golf swing. It made me wonder what exactly should I be seeing. I've heard some teachers say the swing path should look a little "outside" to you, but not much more. I'm thinking the next big thing might be to put a little camera on your face and record what the eye actually sees. Just a thought.
Haha thanks! I agree....a lot of videos! I think the best way is to pick 1-3 priorities to focus on with a coach and then just watch the rest for entertainment :) We have talked about that but haven't tried it yet. I have seen some other coaching do a few videos from that POV...Tyler Ferrell I believe. Maybe in the future!
My problem is figuring out the "bread" part of the sandwich. The middle bad part is no problem! My issue is fixing a steeper/over the top/arms swing that can result in glancing blows with my irons.
Understood Keith. Best way to handle this is to find a good coach to see your swing, diagnose main issue and prescribe drill/feel to fix with feedback. Find someone good near you or check out cogornogolf.com and I will do it for you. Then you have the BREAD and can do this. EVERYONE can figure out the BREAD with the help of a good coach!
Dare I say that Eric Cogorno has become the best golf instructor on CZcams. Mark Crossfield and Meandmygolf used to be my favorites, but they're no longer as relevant as Eric Cogorno.
I agree 100%. i have never been to Pennsylvania but i think i have a very good reason to visit now. Can't wait till the spring and better weather. I will definitely schedule a visit to Bethlehem CC and lessons with Eric.
Thanks for the excellent video! A question for you, I am making a couple of backswing changes as well (greater width and good wrist hinge). How many different irons are you using while you work on your change or how do you determine when/how to progress from club to club? And finally, where do you start? PW? 8 iron?
Thanks, Chris! I would use one club in this phase. I usually use 9 iron or 8 iron. I don't think it makes a difference which one. Watch this video in terms of some of the general practice info from Iain I think it will help: czcams.com/video/MdJYPrieorI/video.html Also check the one out..I generally suggest you practice in 4 phases 1. Warm up/wedge distance 2. Mechanics (this) 3. Skills (ball pattern, target matters) 4. Course like (game with consequences) czcams.com/video/eR_an4XeSM0/video.html
@@CogornoGolf So much good stuff in all these links. My game has stalled and so much of my potential for future improvement is tied to learning how to practice. I also think it's time to splurge on the LiveView product.
Sounds like youre heading in the right direction 1. Find a good coach 2. Identify correct 1-2 main priorities 3. Give yourself feedback on every swing (video preferred) 4. Keep discipline with the plan
Prasanna-you need to fix your open clubface. Get that square to closed first until you can hook the ball I would start here czcams.com/video/L8xlyijEh-g/video.html Then go through this czcams.com/video/cARt8BnwYW8/video.html czcams.com/video/wBgHjqFYIbg/video.html czcams.com/video/YQYqfXKfKY4/video.html There some places to start. Fix face!
John wooden is one of the all-time great coaches. His model is the same as the sandwich: correct - incorrect - correct. bulletproofmusician.com/what-is-more-effective-praise-or-criticism/ This article outlines psychologists that analyzed John Wooden's teaching methods. This web page is actually about learning music.
Again Eric a real quality video, i love the idea of this and will change my practice routine and swing changes to work this way, by the way your not the only one who talks it out loud lol, i do it so, 1, i remember what im trying to achieve and 2, i understand the concept im trying to achieve. plus i can hear me talking on the phone when i record myself and see if what im talking about is actually happening , real vs feel. Thanks Eric keep up the amazing content
Fuckin amazing...EC and Mary bringing in ringers with new ideas and ways of going about things ... Baby Yoda said, Shooting Stars, These Two Are 😂🍻⛳️ and F the 7 thumbs downers.
Good vid, but confusing. At 4:40 Iain says sandwich the bad between two goods and Eric does it. At 9:57 Eric says sandwich the good between two bads, and Ian agrees. Which is it?
Who cares what you think? "Systematic reviews of controlled clinical studies of treatments used by chiropractors have not found evidence that chiropractic manipulation is effective"
The "sandwich move" is confusing like hell. There's too much room for interpretation and error in that concept. Need to simplify it for an average golfer.
Hey KM-thanks for your feedback. Sorry about that. GOOD swing-----BAD swing---GOOD swing. Hopefully that is easy to interpret for you and the average golfer!
Much needed explanation of how to practice and make swing changes. At 7:30 - 7:40 you talk about "over time" you will lose your bad swing. About how long might that be and how many good reps would that require?
Hey Bill!
IT all depends on the FREQUENCY that you do it.
If you hit balls every single day, 7 days a week. 20 balls with pure focus and excellent feedback.....maybe 3-6 months.
If you hit balls 2-3 times per week you may still get that time frame.
Anything less than that is more likely 6-12 months.
If you're talking about your swing shows up on the course with no effort with new changes....closer to 12 months.
But you should be moving CLOSER to that and hitting it BETTER along the way if you are doing it right
Probably the best video you have out right now. Bravo.
Thanks, Dylan! Iain is great!
This may be the best swing improvement video on youtube. An absolute fundamental.
Agreed! not sexy but its how it works!
The one super useful thing I got out of "The Golfing Machine" was what he said about practicing your swing. Even when you're practicing with a ball you can't be concerned with the direction of the ball or even contact. You are practicing your swing, and the ball is irrelevant at that point. You are only concerned with where the ball goes while you are doing "playing practice" or when you are "playing". The ball flight doesn't matter when you are working on your swing. It made me realize that my swing faults are just compensations that happen while I'm trying to hit the ball.
Agreed---we follow that recipe in our practice plans we use as well
1. Wedge warm up
2. Mechanics
3. Iron grid
4. Driver grid
cogomo golf is truly above the rest and no this not intended in any way as ass kissing. Truly excellent golf instruction. Happy to be part of CG
Great video Eric. I am working on winter swing changes so this is perfect timing. As you always say....it’s a marathon not a sprint when making swing changes. Keep the great videos coming.
Thanks, Steve! Absolutely...marathon! I've been working on it for 15 years and counting....far from "done" :)
This is a great video. Having more instructors provide guidance on how to “learn” is so key. The other advice from Eric from other videos and consistent reinforcement of “exaggeration” and “feel vs real” has helped me tremendously get more confidence in how to learn and change something in my swing. Great stuff, keep it up.
Appreciate it, Alexis!
Golf is such a “head” game. This instruction addresses the head to achieve proper body movement. The feel of the bad between the goods makes total sense instead of just pounding balls. Happy New Year and thanks for all the great content.
Appreciate it!
Agreed!
Im confident these practice "principles" will prove VERY effective....the trick is doing it long enough and consistently enough to reap the rewards!
Happy New Year! May the Golf Gods bless all of us with more Cogorno Golf videos!
Lol love it! Happy new year to you as well, Elliot!
Great content, Eric. I've been talking to myself lately during practice, verbalizing what I am trying to do and also correcting myself out loud when I make a mistake. Glad to know that it is helping, even if the neighbors think I am nuts.
Lol-thanks, Parker! I'm right there with ya and happy to have Iain say we know what we are doing :)
Gr8 practice process.... golf is a game of process... learning is process.. love it.
BTW.. got a Liveview Pro... gr8 feedback.... I managed to drastically shorten my backswing by viewing face on... ball striking is soooo improved... thanks so much for recommending the liveview pro. You have a gr8 talent for sharing your knowledge 👍❤⛳🏌️♂️🤟.
Love it! LOVE the LiveView...the feedback is critical! You're heading in the right direction my friend!
Love your "two people" videos, Eric - I've found they pack in a huge amount of useful information. I stopped going to the range a few years ago simply because I came to the conclusion I had no idea how to practice efficiently - all I was doing was practising my faults and getting worse. But over the last year or two I have seen the occasional video like this that covers the process of practising and learning. Great stuff.
Thanks, John! Appreciate it my friend! Hope you find value....agree with you!
Eric, when you say ''trail wrist', are you referring to wrist extension (maybe club parallel at trail thigh)?
Hey John!
Yes-I am referring to trail wrist extension (bent back).
Awesome !!! I gotta tell you Eric very simple concept but tremendously effective!! Ty for all you do !!!!
Thanks, Kevin! Appreciate it...Iain is great....awesome stuff!
Great video Eric, I may have missed it but to take it from the range to the course are you guys advocating taking the good, bad, good practice swings onto the course as well.
Hey Tom!
I would say no to that. Only for range. We did a video with some of Iains ideas on how to take that range swing to the course here
czcams.com/video/MdJYPrieorI/video.html
I feel that this is so important... we all want to progress and learn as quickly as possible and this just might be the key to that. Thanks for the video!
No doubt it will help if you stay consistent with it over the next 12-24 months you would be a drastic difference!
Excellent vid! Putting this concept and practice drill in immediately this year
Thanks, Scott! Iain is great! Do it for the next 2 years and be consistent with it and let's see what we get!
This is great stuff. I'm working on swing changes at the moment and have been wondering how to do this in the most effective way. I'll give this a try for sure
"No doubt it will help if you stay consistent with it over the next 12-24 months you would be a drastic difference!"
Thanks very much for this. I am absolutely guilty of just smashing balls on the range and then wondering why I never embed the new bits I'm working on. Defo going to give this a try.
Give it a long enough time and I'm sure you will like the results...12-24 months of this with steady priorities and swing feedback is the recipe!!
Awesome concepts for learning!!!!!!!! Spacing and variability!
Yes!! Iain is great...such good stuff!
@@CogornoGolf I have done the spacing and variation thing my last 3 range sessions. It's great and I think I'm never going back to the old way. My shots felt like course shots, as opposed to range 'in a groove' shots, and there is a discernible difference.
Excellent!
Happy New Year! ⛳🏌️
Thank you! You too, Tony!
I’m trying to exit lower and more left thoughts on something that would help?
Yes...
1. Make sure your body is OPEN enough
2. Add in a feedback station to give you immediate feedback like below
czcams.com/video/HMWq-WZR-0k/video.html
czcams.com/video/q43rhyr6-vE/video.html
czcams.com/video/BKrxVvyp0_A/video.html
Definitely need to do this in my range sessions
Only has potential to help!!
Yep!
Hi Eric, Great video as always.
Happy New Year and thanks for all the great instruction. I follow each new upload although sometimes I think it is too much info. lol.
I had a thought about future content. Has anyone ever made a eye-ball
perspective of what the swing is supposed to look like from the player's
perspective??? I just thought about it because the view ad address and
then the takeaway is so angular and golf swing model-esque, if that
makes sense. Looking at my arms, part of my legs and my hands, I look
like one of those stick figure animations making a golf swing. It made
me wonder what exactly should I be seeing. I've heard some teachers say
the swing path should look a little "outside" to you, but not much
more. I'm thinking the next big thing might be to put a little camera
on your face and record what the eye actually sees.
Just a thought.
Haha thanks! I agree....a lot of videos! I think the best way is to pick 1-3 priorities to focus on with a coach and then just watch the rest for entertainment :)
We have talked about that but haven't tried it yet. I have seen some other coaching do a few videos from that POV...Tyler Ferrell I believe.
Maybe in the future!
fascinating, it's def worth a try!!
I agree!
Eric Cogorno Golf
that 20-40% speed could be a new vid. if there is no technical help
Excellent video guys, happy new year
Thanks, Jay! Appreciate it. You too!
Brilliant! TY
Thanks, Philip! Appreciate it...Iain is great!
My problem is figuring out the "bread" part of the sandwich. The middle bad part is no problem! My issue is fixing a steeper/over the top/arms swing that can result in glancing blows with my irons.
Understood Keith.
Best way to handle this is to find a good coach to see your swing, diagnose main issue and prescribe drill/feel to fix with feedback.
Find someone good near you or check out cogornogolf.com and I will do it for you.
Then you have the BREAD and can do this.
EVERYONE can figure out the BREAD with the help of a good coach!
Great content!
Appreciate it, Brent!
Dare I say that Eric Cogorno has become the best golf instructor on CZcams. Mark Crossfield and Meandmygolf used to be my favorites, but they're no longer as relevant as Eric Cogorno.
Thanks, Dave! Appreciate the kind words my friend...we will keep striving to help as many golfers as possible!
Yes you dare say it because I've been saying it for a year!! 😂
I agree 100%. i have never been to Pennsylvania but i think i have a very good reason to visit now. Can't wait till the spring and better weather. I will definitely schedule a visit to Bethlehem CC and lessons with Eric.
Him and George Gankas is the only swing coaches you should follow on youtube. I like Chrisryangolf aswell!
I would say Eric is nothing like Crosfield, that's a compliment 😊
Thanks for the excellent video! A question for you, I am making a couple of backswing changes as well (greater width and good wrist hinge). How many different irons are you using while you work on your change or how do you determine when/how to progress from club to club? And finally, where do you start? PW? 8 iron?
Thanks, Chris!
I would use one club in this phase.
I usually use 9 iron or 8 iron. I don't think it makes a difference which one.
Watch this video in terms of some of the general practice info from Iain I think it will help: czcams.com/video/MdJYPrieorI/video.html
Also check the one out..I generally suggest you practice in 4 phases
1. Warm up/wedge distance
2. Mechanics (this)
3. Skills (ball pattern, target matters)
4. Course like (game with consequences)
czcams.com/video/eR_an4XeSM0/video.html
@@CogornoGolf So much good stuff in all these links. My game has stalled and so much of my potential for future improvement is tied to learning how to practice. I also think it's time to splurge on the LiveView product.
Sounds like youre heading in the right direction
1. Find a good coach
2. Identify correct 1-2 main priorities
3. Give yourself feedback on every swing (video preferred)
4. Keep discipline with the plan
@@CogornoGolf Talked to an instructor yesterday and have a session with him on Friday 😀.
excellent!
happy 2020 Eric 👍
Thank you, my friend! You as well!
Hey Eric! I’m left handed and struggle with a huge slice with all my clubs, any tips would help
thanks
Prasanna-you need to fix your open clubface. Get that square to closed first until you can hook the ball
I would start here
czcams.com/video/L8xlyijEh-g/video.html
Then go through this
czcams.com/video/cARt8BnwYW8/video.html
czcams.com/video/wBgHjqFYIbg/video.html
czcams.com/video/YQYqfXKfKY4/video.html
There some places to start. Fix face!
John wooden is one of the all-time great coaches. His model is the same as the sandwich: correct - incorrect - correct. bulletproofmusician.com/what-is-more-effective-praise-or-criticism/ This article outlines psychologists that analyzed John Wooden's teaching methods. This web page is actually about learning music.
Love it! Thanks for sharing that...will check it out!
how many minutes or seconds between shots?
Hey Barney!
Iain lays all that out very well here: czcams.com/video/MdJYPrieorI/video.html
Let me know if you have any questions!
Again Eric a real quality video, i love the idea of this and will change my practice routine and swing changes to work this way, by the way your not the only one who talks it out loud lol, i do it so, 1, i remember what im trying to achieve and 2, i understand the concept im trying to achieve. plus i can hear me talking on the phone when i record myself and see if what im talking about is actually happening , real vs feel.
Thanks Eric keep up the amazing content
Thanks, Steve! Appreciate the kind words...good to know there are more crazies like us out there :)
1:28
:)
Eric this is money 💰
Appreciate it! Iain is great!
Fuckin amazing...EC and Mary bringing in ringers with new ideas and ways of going about things ... Baby Yoda said, Shooting Stars, These Two Are 😂🍻⛳️ and F the 7 thumbs downers.
I like ONY IN New York
Good vid, but confusing. At 4:40 Iain says sandwich the bad between two goods and Eric does it. At 9:57 Eric says sandwich the good between two bads, and Ian agrees. Which is it?
MJB the bad between two goods i think
Bad in the middle
Sorry MJB if I misspoke that's my fault.
Its supposed to be
Good-Bad-Good
Genius!
As a holistic chiropractor for over 32 years, I can tell you this is based on sound neurological principles.
Thanks, David! Glad to hear that! Iain is great!!
Who cares what you think?
"Systematic reviews of controlled clinical studies of treatments used by chiropractors have not found evidence that chiropractic manipulation is effective"
if i did that id be there all day lol .
20 balls 20 minutes :)
czcams.com/video/MdJYPrieorI/video.html
The "sandwich move" is confusing like hell. There's too much room for interpretation and error in that concept. Need to simplify it for an average golfer.
Hey KM-thanks for your feedback.
Sorry about that.
GOOD swing-----BAD swing---GOOD swing.
Hopefully that is easy to interpret for you and the average golfer!