22 LR Tuner - KSS ATS Tuner Review
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- čas přidán 21. 07. 2024
- I installed a KSS ATS Tuner on my Vudoo 22LR and thought I'd share the results with you...Enjoy!
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00:00 Intro
01:05 Why Use a Tuner?
03:37 Why The ATS?
06:35 Unboxing and Mounting
13:10 Groups With and Without Tuner
19:45 Final Thoughts
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Tuner/Brakes really improve factory barrels. With my 223 Rem 700 my best 5 shot groups at 100 yds. use to be 5/8ths but now they are 3/8ths with my Herrell's tuner/brake.
I would recommend buying a tuner/brake combo both for performance and looks.
First thing to do is find a bullet and powder weight your rifle likes or stock cartridge without the tuner/brake installed then stick with it after you have found the best dial location for the tuner.
Great video. I especially like the additional info boxes as well as the review of the groupings.
Thanks Guru! I really appreciate the kindness of my audience and hope you got some relevant information from the video! Shoot straight my friend!
Excellent video! You covered all my questions and I especially like how you gave us a 'menu' so we could skip ahead if wanted. I will subscribe to see your future videos!
Thanks for the kind words kd5fx! And thanks for subscribing...I really appreciate it!
I got this same tuner on order; it's due this Saturday.
Ordered a Area 419 Competition Muzzle Brake to go with mine but it looks decent with yours with just the thread protector.
It seems like a great tuner; thanks for this video. 👍
Thanks Sagittariustoo! I have to admit, I really wanted a brake or that suppressor back on it, but shooing FROM INSIDE a 4' drain pipe a couple of matches ago convinced me that I needed a shorter rifle. Is this going on a 22LR or a bigger rifle for you?
@@The4GunGuy It's going on a Vudoo 22 I have on order.
Just getting some accessories ready for it.
I have a VuDoo coming on Monday. I just found your channel and really like your videos..
Hi AirGunner! You'll love the Vudoo, just make sure that the magazine doesn't bind when loading into a bag on a prop. You can see my other video on the 6 month follow-up and the fixes I made. You'll also want to make sure you have the updated firing pin, so might call them and ask about it. If you don't, you might see fliers like I did and think it's the ammo. I've been happy with the Center-x I got from the testing center; they do a great job so I'd certainly send it off to them for testing...And you get to buy a ton of ammo if you do. BUT my rifle also LOVES SK Match (not 'long range match') ammo and I use that for practicing. Good luck with the new rifle and thanks for watching my friend!
@@The4GunGuy Thanks for the info!!
I've been round and round with a CZ 457 and Savage B22 Precision.....about 20 different kinds of ammo, good stuff budget stuff and everything in between. Can't get under 2" at 100yds no matter what I do.
Looking forward to the Vudoo.....should be here by end of Monday. Already have some SK rifle match and standard plus to try. I'll let you know how it goes.
Excellent job showing us all the ins and outs. of these tuners. I was going to buy Erics EC tuner until I realized I had to machine my barrels. This is what I was looking for, a self install type tuner. I may try a Harrel's as well. It looks like Harrel's has 3 different body sizes and 5 different thread sizes now. (If you don't mind buying their tuner with a brake they look excellent) They are under 100.00 so I am game to try their brake. I have a 6.5 Creedmoor and a 6.5 PRC I am using them on. I'm thinking of getting an ATS and a Harrel's and compare.
Hi PatiotPaul! Thanks for the kind words my friend. In the end, they all do the same thing, so I think you're good with any model. I'm running the EC Tuner now and love it (did a comparison review). The build quality is just a bit better on the EC Tuner in my opinion, BUT, that's not to say the ATS was junk...It's a nice tuner as well. Get what works for you, tune it up, and you'll be good to go! Thanks for watching!
I've found the SK ammo to be excellent. In my wife's Tikka the Standard Plus is one hole at 50 yards. My Bergara really like SK Match (both standard and long range)...excellent stuff. As for the tuner, I just put a witness mark on my barrel with a sharpie...made it simple to adjust.
Hi Eric! Thanks for the great comment! I have some Center-X and X-Act as well, but really like how that SK Rifle Match is working out. Interesting enough, some of the guys I shoot with told me NOT to purchase the SK Long Range Match and that the regular "Match" was better. Good call on the tuner marking, I'll use that! Thanks again for watching my friend and shoot straight!
@@The4GunGuy Will do. FYI I only use the Long Range Match for > 200 yard shooting otherwise I stick to the regular Match. I find that after I did some ballistic truing the Long Range really does want to be used only for long range as it provides no advantage at shorter distances. Based on my chrono data, for example, my dial for 300 yards with standard Match is 12.3 mil but with the Long Range it is 10.1...really helps when you start to run out of elevation on your scope.
@@znutar Oh man, really nice to know Eric! I'll do some testing on that myself and get back to you or maybe a new video idea just popped up! I'll give you credit!
@@The4GunGuy happy to help the community...
Great review! I'm considering one for my 6BR rifle. It's a blueprinted Rem700 with a Krieger barrel and it shoots really well with the SMK 107's, but maybe I can squeeze that extra accuracy out of with a tuner to get a little edge. I'm so far down the rabbit hole considering rifles, scopes and reloading tools so maybe I should just stop thinking about and click the checkout button! :D
Hi Christian! Thanks for the kind words! Watch my video on the EC Tuner for my Vudoo. I've actually switched to that tuner, but honestly, either is a good buy. If you're going to run a brake or suppressor, then this is the one to get since you can't mount those if using the EC Tuner at this time. Thanks for watching my friend and remember, you can't take that money with you!
OH, just remembered that you said you were mounting on your 6BR...Then REALLY look at the EC Tuner Brake (did a video on that one too) as that's what I'm running on my 6.5 Creedmoor and loving it. I was hesitant to take my trusty sidewinder brake off that rifle, but Erik's combo Tuner/Brake is very sweet.
I wanna try this out for my cz 457 that comes threaded 1/2 by 28. Looks very cool! I wonder if you can tune for specific ammo and also specific ranges?
Hi Day At the Range! My understanding is that (especially for 22lr), once you tune you don't need to adjust for range, ammo, etc... Now, that being said, we're talking about the GROUPING here, not adjusting your zero because one ammo shoots slower/faster than another. Hope this makes sense? I've shot MK Match, x-Act, Center-x (my match ammo now) and others with a tuner and they all had very tight groups in close and out at distance. Thanks for watching!
If your velocity and bullet weight the same it will work. I put on it shot 3 standard velocity ammo all three were
under .3 in groups at 50 yards Only tighten till it somewhat tight . Do not tourq. Just snug,not tight
Impressive results.👍🏻
Thanks SEAKPhotog! I really think any tuner is good for the 22 LR rifles. If you watch my review on the EC tuner, I liked it a bit better because of the "beefiness" (if that's a word) of it, but they both do the exact same thing. I'm running a bull barrel now, so no need for tuner at all! Thanks for watching my friend!
Cool, I'll go check out your EC video. I'm shooting a T1x in an Oryx chassis as my fun starter .22 "precision" kit and thought it'd be fun to try a tuner for the heck of it. I wish Tikka would offer a version of the T1x with a bull barrel. That'd rock. Call it a T2x or something.🤷🏻♂️ I just ordered a Begara B14r to try and to compare to the Tikka. That's got a heavier barrel. Should be interesting.😉
@@SEAKPhotog So I ran the Tikka T1x as my first 22 LR and loved it! It really liked ELEY Match and TENEX for competition ammo. But I shoot with some guys that run the Bergara and they love theirs. My starter centerfire rifle was a Bergara and I really liked it...They make good rifles in my opinion. If Tikka did do a bull barrel, they could call it the "T-REX"!
@@The4GunGuy T-Rex! 😁 Checked out the EC tuner vid. Another good option. I may end up with one of each since I like using a can. Once I've got the Begara, that could be the designated can gun since it's got a shorter barrel than my Tikka and get the ATS tuner while the Tikka could get the EC. We'll see how it shakes out. Thanks for the useful vids. Also watched you bipod comparison. Now I want an AccuTac (Tikka has an Atlas) 🤣.
@@SEAKPhotog Thanks for the kind words! Yeah I've turned a few guys onto that Accu-Tac for sure...I love that thing. Just remember that there is a PRS version (shorter) and the one in my video...I like my longer version in case I need to span say a large truck tire, but you do need to adjust it to 45 degrees to get the same low height you'd get with the PRS version. Just something to consider.
Just Use the muzzle brake with a nut to set the brake in or out for a different length, it does the job of the tuner.
Hey Armed Farm! Great point! I may do a video on that...get an inexpensive MB and just do some testing. Thanks for the idea and thanks for watching my friend!
Great review. Why not EC Tuner? I have an EC on my 6.5 cm and found the same magic. Based on your review I'm ordering an ATS for my Vudoo
Hi Discerning, I've actually moved to the EC tuner and EC Tuner Brake on my 22 Vudoo and 6 BRA centerfire rifles now..I have a review of them both.
@@The4GunGuy I saw that. Any issues with adding 9 ounces to the end of your Vudoo?
@@John-uo1qf No issues at all. I've actually also replaced the heavier Butt Plate on my MDT ACC chassis with their aluminum Butt Plate and was able to take some front weight off both rifles which helps me. My centerfire rifle is now down to 20 lbs and my vudoo is down to 21 lbs, so a bit more manageable. The extra weight up front from the EC tuners actually helps my rifle center balance point.
I'm curious after it opened up at #24. Why didn't you shoot more 2 shot groupings like #12 to show us the "accurate repeatability" ?
Hi 63! From what I read on tuners and from what Erik Cortina stated, once you find the node, that's it...Leave it alone. I went further just to demonstrate (and to see for myself) that the groups would indeed open back up and they did. This isn't like tuning a load where you want the 'node' on both sides of a good grouping with good SD's and ES's. Once you find the tuned setting, you leave it because that is the tuning point of the barrel. Hope this answers your question.
Love your video’s. Thank you. So I have 20” kukri vudoo. Do you still recommend that model? Thanks in advance
Hi SEKAF! That's my Vudoo as well. Yep, I think this is a really good tuner for that rifle. Thanks for watching my friend!
Just curious what ammo your vudoo favorites?
@@sekaf4125 It favors SK Match (not long range match) which is what I'm using now for matches. It also like any Lapua (Center-X, X-Act, Midas + which is my favorite but can't find it).
Late to the game here, but after you dialed in the 12 on the tuner, did you then make adjustments on the scope to get to dead center on bullseye? I'm thinking about getting one pretty soon.
Hi Kevin! Yes, after I tuned to the tight group, I then zeroed the scope. Now, to be honest, I don't run a tuner any longer because of the straight barrels I shoot on both my rimfire and centerfire rifles, both of which are tack drivers without the need of a tuner. But, many of my fellow shooters are using tuners still, so I think if it will make you feel more comfortable with your accuracy, then go for it. Thanks for watching my friend!
Are you still using the tuner… also, did you buy one for your creedmore? I’m considering this tuner since I’ll be shooting with a suppressor, did you ever shoot it with a suppressor? I’m concerned that there may not be enough threads on the muzzle for the suppressor. Thanks for your videos!
Hi 735! I use an EC Tuner on my competition 22 LR now, and no tuner, just an MPA DN5 brake on my competition 6mm BRA which has a 26" straight 1.25" barrel.
Awesome! Is that 20 mtu barrel ?
High Christopher! It's the 20" Kukri barrel. LOVE IT! Thanks for watching!
Got my KSS tuner today. Pretty sad finish. Like a 5 year old with Scotchbrite. I'll try tuning with it soon. When Cortina makes one that goes back over the barrel get his. 🙄
Hey Jim! Yeah, I actually switched to Erik's. But I have to say that the finish on the KSS was fine on mine. Have a review of Erik's here: czcams.com/video/Ca0PO75F-P8/video.html
Thanks for watching Jim and thanks for the feedback!
Has anyone ever mounted one on a Proof Carbon Barrel?
Can the same results be expected?
Hi Roger! I would think that if the barrel has the same threads on it then you should be able to mount this on the barrel. Not sure about the results however, but, Carbon barrels like steel barrels are still impacted by harmonics, so I would also think that the tuner would be effective.
Where can i get them . I have searched a lot didnt find them in amazon
Truth...get them at www.kineticsecuritysolutions.com/
Is that the 5/8 tuner? or the 1/2 x 28? Thanks.
Hi Max! It's the 1/2 x 28. Thanks for watching my friend!
@@The4GunGuy Thanks man I appreciate it. I just oredered mine, can't wait to try it!
You can not tune for different lots of ammo. Once the tuner is set that's it. It's doesn't get moved again for the life of the barrel. It's not about harmonics either , you guys are so far behind br shooters it's crazy. The work has already been done a long time ago with tuners. Lmao it's sad you guys just ignore all the work before you. People have tried tuning for certain harmonics and they never work out. Here's something for you to try, get a stethoscope and tap the barrel. While tapping the barrel listen for a dead spot right behind the crown about 1 to 2 inches. The object of a tuner is to get that node to the exit of the crown. Look up Bill Calfee
Hi Sam! I'm very intrigued with your analysis, and took your advice to review some of Bill Calfee's work and various blogs that politely debate his findings (one older blog specifically caught my eye: benchrest.com/archive/index.php/t-48716.html). Your comment is actually very timely as I'm working up some center fire rounds in the next day or two and thought about validating your statement around "once the tuner is set that's it". I'm a numbers guy, so I want to validate (or am I wrong here) that if I tune for a specific 6.5 Creedmoor hand load, I shouldn't have to change the tuning if I 1) change the powder load let's say from 41.7 to 42.2; change the projectile from a 140 ELMD to a 147 ELDM or even a 140 BTHP; 3) change the seating depth of the projectile? I'm not debating you here Sam, I really want to understand the statements people are making about tuners and which beliefs hold true. You've given me some good material for another video my friend!
I have seen with my Vudoo V22 that using Lapua Center-x or SK Match seem to have the same results from an accuracy standpoint and actually changed from Center-x to SK Match just before my last match with very good SK Match results with the EC Tuner installed. Now, I have my Vudoo at the Lapua testing center without the tuner installed, and I'm anxious to see their results. Anyway, I know this is one of those touchy subjects that people debate, and I like seeing that healthy debate. I believe in the end it comes down to what YOU believe in and are comfortable with for YOUR shooting style. Thanks for watching and your great comment above Sam!
@@The4GunGuy the only validation I need is target scores. In rfbr there isn't a lot of group shooting matches its mainly for score. I set my tuner over 3 years ago and it hasn't moved from that spot. It's a matter of finding the right lot of ammo and buying as much of it as you can.
So.... too much BLA BLA BLA .... No demonstration
HI Juliko! Sorry if you didn't get what you needed out of the video. Tuning is just as I state in the video...You shoot, you turn, you shoot, you turn, until you have that single hole, which I said was at a certain point on the tuner. I just didn't think you'd want to watch me shoot for 30 - 45 minutes tuning it. Anyway, thanks for watching!
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