Wallabies Lose Another Player to League
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- čas přidán 11. 06. 2024
- Wallabies Rugby World Cup Fly Half Carter Gordon has signed a two year deal with the Gold Coast Titans. He joins Mark Nawaqanitawase in being another 2023 Rugby World Cup Wallaby to switch codes
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That comment by Eddie Jones and Hamish McLennan, after they signed Suaalii over, that he would be the first of many to switch to Union from the NRL has aged horrifically
Mark you didn’t mention that while a Wallaby had gone over to the Roosters NRL they have lost young Suaalii to the Waratahs. I think the Wallabies have treated young Lolesio rather badly. He is taken
the blame for the All Black dominance over the Wallabies when in fact it has been the forward pack that hasn’t stood up to the All Black forwards
Pretty much everything that Eddie Big Nuts did has aged terribly. Quite like the Brave Blossoms so feel for them that their bosses have inflicted that idiot on them.
Not such a great loss.
When the Wallabies and RA is over, everyone who looks back in history will see that Eddie Jones played a massive part in burying it.
Come now. He had an inpact yes but they are kak for a very long time now
Also EJ did nor appoint himself. Deans, Renie guy from the Reds no one could fix tjat broken car.
@jonathandavis8599 it's not that the car itself is or was intrinsically kak, it's that the Sydney suede elbow patch brigade are just such utter clowns. They dispise anything that's not of them. They hate change, refuse to grow an adapt. Everything that the NRL has done to promote an grow the game, the ARU could have easily done. But to do that would have somehow lowered them to the base, course level of the commoner. 20 years wasted since the last world cup we hosted. Untold millions of dollars squandered. I would call them F'ing idiots, but they have done this deliberately, for whatever reason.
He was a nail the coffin but not the only nail.
🤣🤣🤣 That’s super funny. The slide started in France 2007 when the wallabies lost to England in the quarters. The country and sport literally never recovered from that point. John Connolly was the last wallabies coach to wine 2/3rds of his matches let that sink in for a while… most people watching rugby now don’t even know who he was.
Robbie deans only won 58% of matches pumped up by a LOT of wins against Italy and France when they were not the team they are now… since then no wallabies coach has won a majority of games in 11 years.
Failed super rugby franchises, failed level below super rugby multiple times, failed player management on a union wide level, low attendance, poor player pathway, poor governance from the ARU, poor staff policies, all of these issues have literally been rampant in the ARU for the best part of 11-16 years.
All whilst Eddie Jones was pumping up SA, Japan and England.
@@colstoun4762 The truth is there is like 11 good sides in Rugby now not just six which is good thing so making the quarters is something every team should try and achieve.
He had skills but too many holes in his game.
Noah Lolesio has multiple years worth of established combinations with Issak Fines-leleiwasa, Nic White, Ryan Lonergan (possible bolter?)
Ben Donaldson has a proven combination with Jake Gordon, Nic white and Issak Fines-leleiwasa
In my mind those two guys are the clear frontrunners for Wallabies playmakers, even if Gordon stuck around.
Ben Donaldson is an average 10, he’s played more 15 anyway!
Eddie Jones panicked in World Cup when he dropped Carter
That’s a shame. I really believe Gordon is a real talent. I feel like Eddie Jones chucked him in the deep end at the RWC without anyone like Cooper to help mentor him. That would have shaken anyone’s confidence.
Worse thing he did was basically blame him for the Fiji loss
Fook. That sucks. I say that as Wales supporter who is also super bummed we won't face Marky Mark this summer tour. I'm 100% not being sarcastic. Having a strong Wallaby squad is best for union, and that's far more important than winning a summer tour in Aus IMO ( i don't think we'll win either way with that said tbh).
Realistically Mark and Carter wouldn’t of been pick anyway, we better 10s (JOC, Lynagh, Lolesio, HMP, and Donaldson to name a couple) and wingers (Wright, Toole, Ryan, Lancaster, Koroibete…) that all have put better performances out there than Carter and Mark.
I think you’ll win at least one test, you guys played some really good footy during the 6N despite not getting the wins, you lost a lot of experience after the WC and Schmidt will only have like ten days with our guys, he’s a world class coach obviously but not a magician.
Where are the Mark Ella/Stephen Larkham type first fives of old ? A running fly half is what Australia need to get back to.
Thanks for the overview Mark. Shame that EJ treated those people so badly.
My pick is start lolesio with donaldson coming on later in the game as impact
Just when the Wallabies were looking good plus the arrival of Joe Schmidt's.
He has to look after himself first so I don't blame him.
I’ve back the titans since the start.
Thanks for the update. I hope he does well.
for sure lolesio and Donaldson ❤
Given Marky Marky wasn't selected for the recent Wallabies training squad you'd think Gordon won't be either. Smit has little time to get ready for the Lions and that will probably mean he'll be a bit harsh on players that won't be around next year unless injuries factor in.
Up the CANES!!!!
He's certainly the strongest defensive 10 in Australia, would've loved to see him playing for the Wallabies making a few more backrowers regret going down his channel but we don't live in a world where Union can compete financially in Australia. Can't blame him.
I like him at fullback for Australia but we can't blame him.
The worry for Australia is apart from Wales, they have the weakest options at 10 from the TRC/6N teams.
Yeah nobody screams world class - Lolesio having a solid season at Super level. Lynagh has potential but too early to say
Oz rugby will never have the depth other country’s have (France, NZ, SA). But we have traditionally been able to scrape together a pretty competitive 23. The last five years there’s a number of key positions we literally haven’t got a world class player. We also haven’t developed or nurtured talent through pathways either. I know it’s a massive task, but if Joe Schmidt’s tenure is positive at all, I hope he helps keep more talent in rugby for the long haul.
@@johnmcdonald-6196 You have an excellent coaching team,and there are enough players,particularly in the Brumbies and Reds to cobble together a pretty competitive team.
Any team underestimating the WB's this yr may be in for a nasty surprise.And I say that as a kiwi.
NB,Tom Lynagh has potential,methinks Schmidt might have to chance his arm,and at least try him in a test this yr.Just my thoughts.
It’s very short sighted I believe. I don’t blame him, it’s a much bigger sport in Australia. But these blokes could definitely have a longer and more lucrative career in rugby.
It's only short sighted if he has a desire to leave Australia. If he wants to stay and money isn't his primary motivator then he might as well switch
@@joshanderson9391 yeah that’s true. The money is made in Europe, Japan or even the US in later life. Look at Giteau, not many blokes his age still playing professionally.
This assumes he got offers from other Union teams. Can't see any of the Aus SR teams being able to afford him for example, I'm not aware of any rumours of French or Japanese clubs sniffing around either.
@@D4N1CU5 I’d speculate the Waratahs would make him an offer. But it’s a fair point you raise mate.
Lucrative? RA is broke. The NRL salary cap and media reach would have dwarfed anything he could get in Union
Jeez, another hit for Aus's Lions chances! Carter Gordon needed development but was definitely the outstanding 10 in Aus. Although Lolesio will be rubbing his hands together to get that starting berth and of course Lynagh developing nicely as well.
Personally I think he should have stayed in Rugby. He's going to do alright in League, but he was just starting to hit his straps in Rugby.
When you look at his prospects in League, he is a long way off from play representative football. He isn't walking into State of Origin or an Kangaroos jumper. He'll be at the Titans for the next two years, and more than likely won't even get a look into representative honors.
League has defeated Union in Australia. NZ watch out!
I’d love some good news for Oz rugby. It’s all doom and gloom 😮
It is that.
As a Scotsman, I can remember Scottish Rugby being in an even worse situation, but we dont have a league to compete with. That is the difference.
The N.R.L is definitely getting stronger in Australia & the pull of it for players to switch codes is getting stronger as well.
The Australia Rugby Union needs to do a lot more financially speaking to keep players.
I wonder if there is some more underlying things with this situation. I wouldn’t be surprised if it came out that lots of those players from the rebels not being engaged by RA, about moving them to another Aussie team or giving them financial and career security.
That sounds very possible
It was said he was set to sign with the waratahs
That merch looks great on you TCR, coming over to the dark side? 😄
I know this a weird take but I think this squad will miss Reece hodge. As a solid goal kicker and experienced utility back he could help a lot of young wallabies to gain experience while covering the whole backline (apart from 9)
I've just moved from South Africa to Australia. I never knew that rugby league was so big. I would watch super rugby all the time. I think when South Africa left super rugby was the issue.
Yeah man it's hard to know how big it is until you visit. Same with AFL in Victoria. It's massive
@@TwoCentsRugby still trying to understand AFL.
It's crazy as here in England union fans still have this impression that rugby is big sport in Australia. They are always in disbelief when I explain league is the massive sport people follow. Nobody watches rugby union. Oh and man it's such a shame league has never managed to build something in south Africa.
I wonder if Joe Schmidt will pick him just to show Carter Gordon what a real national team environment feels like - with the hopes of getting him back in 2 years....
Just out of interest what happened that wallaby ten at the 2019 WC: Matt To’omua think his name was?
Could be Tom Lynagh lynaghing up against his brother Louis when Australia play Italy at the next WC…
australian rugby is continuing its downward spiral.
so many bad ARU management decisions have resulted in fans, players and money leaving australian rugby.
the next few years are financially crucial to rugby union in australia.
the lions tour and world cup.
a SUCCESSFUL australian rugby team is the key to rugby union remaining a important sport in australia.
ps. thanks mark. another great video...!
Dude, union is already a minority sport in Australia and stopped being an important sport long time ago. Wouldn't be surprised if we even see the women's NRL become more popular than rugby in Australia. Union is on life support and there is not a chance of it recovering. Rugby league gone so far ahead. Finances of both sports are in two different worlds. also remember that rugby League takes the best union schools boy players from union in Australia now and that includes boys from the grammar schools.
Kurtley Beale #10 ?
I think he'll fair we'll in league.i think He's quite easy to read as a 1st five.
Nah i dont believe it has anything to do with the world cup exit. Gordon isnt getting selected over noah, Lynagh or Donaldson so why would he stay if he wants an international career? Might as well chase the dollars. For all we know schmidt has already had a conversation with him which has pushed him in this direction. Def helps that rebels aren't a thing next year.
Sounds like he had little choice, no other union team was offering him a contract so what else could he do?
was he offski after being told he was too far down the Wallabies pecking order?
He heard that there are less Fijians looking to put a shot on him playing in the NRL than in Rugby
He’s going to get shot a lot more in NRL than Super Rugby - No?
bro what… there are just as many Fijians in the NRL, and he’s going to get hit a lot more and a lot harder by them and every other player he goes up against now he’s playing a sport with actual defence
@@dominicohearn8547lmao wtf? There are only like 3-4 regular Fijians in the NRL haha. Stop talking out of your arse. Kamakamica, Turuva, Kikau, Ravalawa and Bula… stop talking out of your arse gahaha
@@dominicohearn8547just watching Raiders v cowboys 50 points being scored and the games still going , Dolphins v Sharks 58 points in that game , not really much defensive going on
@@dominicohearn8547 agreed. I doubt he'll keep up on fitness or size. What I meant was there's not whole teams of them eg his world cup nightmare
Considering that professionalism and World Rugby admins seem to be slowly transforming union into league and the fact that higher interest rates have meant that union's on its arse in a lot of countries, shouldn't we just merge the codes at pro level and leave real union as amateur or semi-pro? Is there really enough money around for 2 codes of pro rugby long term?
On its arse where outside of Australia? The two sports are not even competitors on a global scale. Take Australia out of the equation and this conversation doesn't exist.
@@colejones6312 Where outside of Australia? Scotland barely has a club game, Wales is in the shit, the Eng premiership has already lost clubs and at least 2 more are close to going belly up and Eng league clubs finances have worsened markedly since union went pro as they find it hard to keep their best players. The countries where union is doing well are those where league is pretty much non existent like France, Ireland, Japan and soon the US. They're the growth markets for union. All that demonstrates that there isn't the demand for 2 pro sports where you throw an oval ball around. In the UK & Ire they should just have a British and Irish League now, but the WRU and SRU fear becoming extinct so they don't want it. Even in England the only thing keeping league at a par more or less is the historical animosity that keeps fans from switching.
He wasn't going to make the Wallabies this year anyway. And Marky Mark looks good in the gym, not on the field.
No brainer not to go to RL. Wallaby rugby has been going down the can for a few years. E J made a mess of the union players and this messed up with their heads.
Loosing Carter and Nawaqanitawase is such a shame. As a kiwi i´m pissed! Nawaqanitawase is a worry to play against. Carter real young. Imagine how Schmidt feels...
Bring Quade in to mentor
Is it stupid that he went from playing rep footy in a bad team to switching to another bad team he definitely won’t be playing any rep footy in league
Rugby Union in Australia is a sinking ship, unfortunately for the
game in Australia, they simply can't complete financially with
the N.R.L. I honestly dont know how Rugby Union stops their ship from sinking unless they can get more investment in the game to up the salaries of players.
Rugby Union in Australia is in a sorry state, that is for sure.
The N.R.L. is on the rise
it has a lot going for it
& well, Rugby Union in
Australia is at best trending water if you can even be that positive about it.
My gut feelings are
in time Australia will only have two Super Rugby franchises because
they will not have enough players to have any more teams than that. I think it's heading in that direction in terms of players. I mean, players of any great quality.
Keep safe.
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If teams in France, England, Ireland or the USA don't make a bid for your services then why not descend quite a few rungs down to League? He can count to six so he may be over-qualified. Hopefully Joe Schmidt hadn't told him he was was not in contention for any position in his future plans but that should have been his first question. Good luck to him.
Have to agree man, can't place kick, am if he had the goods then overseas would have come calling. Grew up a fan of league, find it boring as batshiet these days, just personal opinion though as it's a well selling product. Have to agree with Mark though, yet another ongoing effect of the insanity of Eddie big nuts coming an destroying.
He was probably getting bored in Union waiting around for 10 reset scums but whatever gets you going Clarkey boy 😂. Anyway AFL is what you should all be watching. Swans or Waratahs???? Hmmmm
@milton8500 I'm a die hard Hawkies supporter mate, love my AFL. Doesn't mean I don't love watching an playing Union. It's all a matter of taste, the key is to not shit on other people's tastes just because they don't match your own.
@@wackpaddyknickknack Leaguies dump on Union all the time, the guerrilla campaign continues. Remember this, they aren't particularly well-informed, curious (same thing really), and are unaware of how far behind in world impact they are, which is the east coast of Australia, a tiny fraction.
@peterclark6290 to true man, just too true. Well balanced individuals the average NRL supporter, chip on each shoulder.
TBH he was the worst 10 in super rugby, maybe could’ve been ok in time? I really don’t think he was the future if Australian rugby.
EJ is rugby cancer, IMO