Vauxhall 1.6 VVT Noise
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- čas přidán 9. 09. 2024
- Vauxhall Astra 1.6 VVT Camshaft Dephaser noise Z16XER engine fitted to different Vauxhall models.
DCVCP (Double Continuous Variable Cam Phasing technology
115 PS (85 kW; 113 bhp) at 5500 rpm 155 Nm (114 lb·ft) at 4000 rpm 155 2006 models onwards
Awesome Video, Thanks for actually letting us hear the Dephaser sounds before and after. A+++++
Literally just solved the problem with my 2012 colorado because of this video! Thank you
Perfect Video for a diagnostic, Thanks.
The rattle noise is a well know problem on the Ecotec Z18XER, Z16XER. Because an engine has too many moving parts, it is hard know exactly where the noise is coming from. Here is the breakdown:
1) Cam position sensor (electrical)
2) Cam actuator solenoid (electromagnetic valve)
3) Cam actuator phaser (hydraulic)
The cam position sensor sends information to the computer. The cam actuator solenoid receives signal from the computer and then feeds oil to the cam actuator phaser. Inside the cam actuator phaser there is a rotor. If you add oil to one side of the rotor's lobe and remove it from the other side the rotor moves advancing or retarding the camshaft.
TROUBLESHOOTING: It depends how early did start the problem, and how quick got fixed. In fact, a defective cam actuator solenoid may start damaging a brand new cam actuator phaser. BOTTOM LINE: If the rattle noise is coming accompanied by code P0011, P0016, or some other related codes, it must be the camshaft actuator phaser. So, I will replace all those items to be worry free.
Granted it's a well known problem but it's not entirely GM's fault - it's the lack of servicing and imperative oil changes that causes these to have a shorter life expectancy.
Got a 50k mile '11 plate Zafira here and they're knackered because it hadn't had an oil change in 6 years.
If people did what they had to do when they had to do it, they could have saved themselves money in the long run.
How much am I looking at to do all the work in this video? Same engine?
@@tonysoprano9370 when I’ve looked at the cost, it can be cheaper to just get a new engine without the noise!
No problem glad it helped
Loads of money 💰. Good job.
Yeh, I’ve got this on my 1.8 Twintop, although not as loud yet, as yours was, but they need doing!
My next job. Engine is on 70,000. I have same sound. Good video.
Its also good practice to replace vvt solenoids.
i had the same in a renault megane 2.0 16v.. exactly a diesel sound only below 1800 rpm and warm engine
Good video
Cheers
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Perfect thanks! Was it hard to do and did you need to prime the actuator as i understand it needs oil inside? Im hoping to do it this weekend and hopefully lf goes well! Also does it have locking holes behind for it to have correct placement? Thanks for your help!
No need to prime the pully as it is oil pressure fed so will fill up once running.You must use the correct timing kit as per the video to make sure the timing is spot on.A bar locks the back cams and a 2 piece kit locks the front cams in the right poaistion they have alignment marks on the pullys hope this helps.
How much did it cost to fix in total?
Hey good video!
Question, did you try rotating the Damper pulley manually before changing the camshaft pulleys?
I rebuilt most of my engine and before mounting it to the car I rotated it manually but I hear a cracking noise in the camshaft pulleys so I wonder if you also heard it and want to know if this is also a part that I have to change.
Hi JayJayJaroo,
I have Z16XER with the same problem and noise, before to change them the lamp for erros was flashed, i change them before 2 days the noise is gone and the engine work very good. I go to service to clean the error but today the lamp flashed again. What you think ?
Thanks,
Dob
Thanks👌
Good ,thanks ))
Why did you replace both pulleys when only inlet one was fucked up? Can I just replace only inlet pulley?
I replaced both pullys as they are both known to fail and did not want to do the job again in the near future.Vauxhall also had stock of both the pullys.Yes you can just replace one if that's the problem
Great video, thanks for sharing. I have the same exact noise but no fault code. Could this still be my problem without error codes? And is it safe driving with the problem?
same sound doesn't mean same problem, it might be Intake Manifold flappers, or Lifter, but if you have same exact problem it's absolutely not safe to drive, diagnose your problem and get to fix it.
Good jop bro
Hi i get this noise but only on start up,,could it be the same problem thanks
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AH i have the same sound and the mechanic thinks its also the cam pulley! Do you have any recomendations for where to get spares?
I have an astra j with the same engine a16xer
I have to replace the timing belt and I have to questions:
The instructions says: torque the tensioner and idler pulley with 20nm+120+15degrees. Is that not too much?
De crankshaft pulley screws must also be replaced. Is this true? Whats the torque for that screws? 95nm+45+15?
Thanks!
Hi i have no information on torque figures but the crankshaft bolt should be replaced.Where did you get your information regarding torque figures from?
I friend who somtetimes worked by opel looked in TIS for the instruction. There are the torque figures writrn down. Im unsure about that.. I also bought a timing belt kit by opel and theres no crankshaft srew in it, just these two for the idler and tensioner. These two screws are jack screws - thats maybe the reason why I habe to replace these and torque them with angle. The strange thing is I can't find an instruction for that on the internet
jozuba The screw caps with o rings on are just access caps for the cam pully retaining bolts i would just do them up by hand
Can still hear it a bit?
I have a similar problem, equinox 2011. I changed the chains and tensioners and the
noise like yours increased, but it only appears when the car warms up (operating temperature). Can be VVT Camshaft?
It sounds like it could be the vvt pully internals
Was it difficult to get the inlet pulley off. Mine has gone and wondered if this is something i can do myself. Im preety handy when it comes to stuff under the bonnet but have never done the at all. Also how long did it take you to do? Thanks
Hi it took me about 3hrs to fix i used a battery gun to undo the centre bolt.You should be able undo the bolt with out using a battery gun its just what i had when doing it
Thanks for the Video Mate, Need your help, Stripped mine apart and stock on timing now, any ideas.
Thanks when you say stuck what do you need to know.I did this job with a locking tool kit its the only way you will get the timing spot on.A bar locks the rear of the cams and then a 2 piece cam pully locking tool takes care of the front.With the crank i just kept the timing mark aligned hipe this helps?
why did you take the rocker cover off, is this necessary if i am just doing the belt. As cant you just set to TDC by the line on bottom pulley?
I took the camcover off to lock the camshaft as pullys were being changed.Just doing the cambelt you will not nees to remove
Ma golf 5 gti sounds the same and it turns out my vvt gear ⚙️ it suffered from oil starvation
Hi there,
I have the same noise and my engine spanner light has come on. I have recently changed the coil park, serviced the car including changing the timing belt. My car tends to struggle for power at times. I have error code p0011. Do you know what it could be?
Thanks.
Enayat Ahmed g
Did u find out what it was
Hi i changed both camshafts pulleys and solenoïds, oil and oil filter, and always the same noise every time...:( could any body help me please ?
did you solve it , was it the oil pump ?
Did you solve the problem ?
Válvula check
how much was all the parts please. i have z18xer engine
Hi please i have astra j 1'6 have this code error p0011 p0014 and p0171
Can help me.
My 2018 Chevy Sonic 1.8 is doing this pretty much when brand new. It started clattering around 700 miles. It only lasts about 3 secs or less while its warm and sat for an hr or so. I've changed the oil 2 times with synthetic and car currently has 3500 miles. Is it possible that the vvt solenoid is allowing oil to drain back when it shouldn't be? I'm not getting any codes and the car gets great gas mileage (+35mpg hwy). Thanks!
If it was my vehicle i would take it into the dealership and let them take a look clearly a warranty issue.It could be a faulty VVT pulley or a solenoid issue
Hi mate. One more question! The bolt through the cam pulley, what way is it to undo? Having massive problems getting it off! Thanks buddy
Normal thread but are tight
Hi there. where did u manage to obtain the special tools or did u have it made
Hi i got the tools from a motor factors
Hi. Thanks so much Jay. I am in SA and would like to know what it cost you and if I am able to order form where ever you are .
Having this noise during start-up in the morning but eventually goes away when car reaches operating temperature. I haven't fully inspected it yet but I might when I change the timing belt real soon. Do you think it's a good idea to also replace the cam phasers at the same time when changing the belts? Or is there anything else that I need to check before deciding to replace it?
- 2011 Chevrolet Cruze 1.8L (Z18XER Ecotec)
about 48,000 miles
They will be easy to check when the cambelt is removed replace if needed to be found worn
Hi Akosi Sugbuanon, i have the same problem on my cruze, did you find the solution ? Thanks
thanks for the good work mate,
i had the same problem and change them cam pullys but still have the problem, i opened it again and it has a light slop in it and i don't know what to do next. can help me with it.
many thanks.
jawid.
You change both of them ?
@@JayJayJaroo yeah i have changed both of them.
Mine sounds like that only on start up and it dissapear after a few seconds.
Hallo, i have got the same issue with my Astra H 1.8 which last only for 2 seconds when cold. Have you found a solution yet?
@@samerhany8203 I found a solution for sure 😆🫣 I sold Astra 3 months ago and I can tell you it was the best solution. Now I've got Passat 2.0 B6, 2010 and finally I can sit in my car and enjoy the ride.
Looks like this has run without proper oil changes
I have another question: how many kilometers did you make since the noise first time appeared? And did you noticed some error codes for that camshaft thing?
I think the car had about 84,000kms and I had error codes for the camshaft sensor circuit
JayJayJaroo what was the error code? Thank you
Great video! I have exactly the same noise but only sometimes, my real problem is that my chevy cruze F18D4 takes too much time to ignite, also sometimes it doesnt have power and is very slow specially the first few meters, any thought?
Thanks in advance!
Should still start and run idle normally though as the cams and phaser will be locked in the default position.
Be interesting to know what happened in your case after you replaced the parts.
Hi mate ive just changed these on mine but still sounds the same and no power could it be the solenoids they were replaced a few month befor the adjusters
Check the solenoids for debris and clean if needed.I have seen a few get clogged up
@@JayJayJaroo thanks for the reply, they had a tiny bit on but still no difference after cleaning and getting error code 1166 for the cam phaser :/ dont no wether its worth buyin two decent solenoids and trying them, could having broke phasers in turn break the solenoids?
Got a rough idel and the revs will drop slightly every now an then still sounds like its knocking from the intake side of the valve cover, its had a oil flush and new filter, checked the valve cover diaphragm all the breathers and still im at a loss lol just hope its not the timing out, The car is geting very close to the scrap yard 😂.
@@lukecowell4305 Hi did you fit the cam pulleys yourself ? If so did you use the correct cambelt locking tools to time it up?
I have this same problem but I have replaced both pulleys and cambelt but still have rattling noise now and again The car runs perfect, don’t know what it can be can anyone help???
Hi please did you find the solution i have the same problem like you thanks
Hi, does anybody know part numbers for seals behind gear adjusters?
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My car does this noise but only on start up
Do you know a price for a garage to fix this problem or can it be fixed under warranty?
You would have to try the dealer to see if this would be coverd it would depend on age and miles coverd.I think an independent would charge between £350 - £400
Mine is a 58 plate with 50k on the clock. Cheers !
Calum Dancy i doubt they will be interested but worth a try
well, this is what i'm about to replace...
i have same sound in my engine but only on cold start engine , please help
Ahmed Shokry without hearing your noise it could be the same as the issue in the video
I also have a similar noise on cold start, and a similar but lesser noise when warm. But then I seem to have everything wrong with my car and never a fault code anywhere - and all the problems go away when it goes to a garage.
Did you get Any dtc codes for that?
Unlikely as it's a physical breakdown of the high tolerance parts within the dephaser. It's usually cam sensors and blocked/stuck solenoids that will throw a code.
I suppose if it's really knackered as in not being able to maintain enough oil pressure to advance the pulley then the ECU will probably pick up on that through the emission system and throw a code.
Where did you order your phaser parts?
From Vauxhall
That sounds broken
Hello!
I'm sending this in regards of My car which I need Help with. I've got a Volvo s40 2002 1.6, and i changed My Vvt a day Ago but there's still this knocking sound. I changed the engine oil and filter aswell. The workshop guys changed all of it and they told me there's nothing wrong with the car. Another workshop told me i need to drive the car more with the oil change(engine) because it hasnt been driven alot because it was owned by Two elder seniors which barely drove it. Should i trust the workshops advice and try driving it more because they changed 2 vvts and they Said theres nothing wrong, Help me please? Is it safe to drive the car, because I've been driving it to work lately and it works properly, but there's this noise sound only. Thank you in advance:)!
Best regards Dominique! :)
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You could have a VVT solenoid that is sticking and not suppling correct oil pressure to the units causing the rattle.It could also be another issue that is making a similar noise
hello i've changed 2 solenoids now, same noise what should i do im goin crazy, could it be pulley or what plz help ?
Dominique Elia It would be very hard to diagnose without seeing the vehicle
I've gone to 3 workshops and none can prope diagnose it im going nuts soon xD
but is it dangerous to drive with this sound will it damage the car ?
please listen to my latest video, do you think I have this same issue?
Hallo : De tandwiel nokkenas moet bewegen .maar niet te weel..is dat klopt
Damn, that's an Aveo engine, 😂😂, I know that POS anywhere, (Daewoo) engine" Best advice can give you is ditch that thing quickly, or you'll regret it, good luck"😂
Starts it.....noise still present engine out of time facepalm
Good one
Clean that sludge out or it will happen again...
hondatrix exactly what I was thinking as our Astra was doing the famous vvt rattle took the head off and it was worse than the one in the video
Awful cars , i had to scrap my one after only 1 month , paid 2000 pounds for it dealer refused to refund my money so now am using the bus, only got £150 in scrap , this is how evil car dealers are today in the UK , im never buying a car again as they are all shit
These engines are fine if you change the oil every 5k miles. And change all other items when required. Filters, plugs etc
@@tonysoprano9370 It's sadly 😥 too late but I learnt my lesson bought a Mitsubishi instead and not had any issues in last 4 years 😅
No problem glad it helped