Alien 3: Morons INC. The Hubris of Producers: part 1
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- In our first video of our coverage for Alien 3 we explore the jumbled genesis of the film from 1986 - 1990. We cover the scripts, drama and evolution of the project.
2 things to note. The first is that there has been a lot of comments about my pronunciation of David Twohey's name and it's fair. I would explain where this mispronounce came from, but I don't think it matters. Please forgive this error as well as the three audio tracks from Vincent Ward and Renny Harlin interviews as the sound levels didn't upload well.
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That 1st draft sounds like a Rick and Morty spoof. "those chickens, Aliens, your Dad, Alien, the escape shuttle, also Aliens"
It made me instantly think of a Mel Brooks spoof.
😂😂😂
Gibson's first draft sounds perfect. It's like sculpting the statue of David and then continuing to chip more away till It's Ronald Mcdonald sitting on a toilet.
Truth be told, the novelization of his script is probably the best version out there. I read it a month ago and it really is the best job someone could have done with what they had to work with.
I read Gibsons version years ago, would have liked it as a Aliens 2.5. But Alien 3 was good to have with its haunted style.
Where can I find the novelization?
@@leonidaspereirafilho499 Ebay should have it.
I was at the preview screening for A³. They bribed us with free popcorn, candy, drinks, t-shirts, and posters. I still hated it. I blasted it in the focus group (this was before the internet).
Tell us more! You have a unique story most of us don't share. Thanks for commenting.
Absolutely! Maybe an interview would be cool? It's unusual to hear stories of preview screenings.
A3 is better then A2 no question about.
Was this the Southern California one? The one Ralph Brown (infamously) labeled in the British Alien Legacy doc as being staffed with "braindead teenagers"? You might have saved the movie from being even worse, honestly.
I'm so glad after departing Aliens 3 for creative reasons, Harlan was able to go on to create the art house classic "Ford Fairlane."
I'll never forgive this movie for completely undoing the fight to survive that the characters who made it through Aliens went through. I can hear Producer Guy saying "Killing beloved characters ignominiously offscreen is tight."
The bleak series was bleak? People fight to survive everyday and don’t. Aliens was a popcorn movie. A well done one but made for general consumption and the masses regardless. Alien 3 is a much truer sequel to the first movie. It is flawed from interference but newt dying is not one of the problems I have with it personally
@cody8804 I totally agree.
Agreed. Also, love the pitch meeting reference 😂
Wow wow wow....... Wow
I don't even consider Alien 3 to be canon, because it opens with an *UNRESOLVABLE PLOT HOLE* which made it impossible to suspend my disbelief, hence I've only watched the first 5 minutes of the film.
"A ship that screeches in pain" haha, how very Cronenberg!
Say what you will, but the score of Alien 3 is amazing.
The score was:
*Humans 2 - 32 Aliens*
@@atomicdancer This Is Rumor Control, Here Are The Facts.
Yes! Best of the series. One of the best all time soundtracks.
'Monty Python in space' was also the concept for The Last Jedi.
The only reason I disagree with that description is that the concept sounds fun, whereas TLJ was not.
@@user-lb9xw4xf2q Those are Rian Johnson's own words. He said in a behind the scenes video that "Monty Python in space" was the tone he was going for with TLJ. Very telling that Alien 3 was also going in that direction in the early drafts.
@@neganstains5745 Really? Good lord. I thought Rian Johnson just doesn't understand Star Wars, but he also doesn't understand Monty Python (unless he was looking at the Python skits that weren't very good, because not even they hit gold every time, but I digress).
I suppose Alien 3 and TLJ had similar issues in that the studios didn't care what they were doing; they sent some producers who did their own desires, sacrificing the property in the process. Although, Alien never had a comeback in spin-offs like Star Wars did with Mandalorian, Clone Wars, and so on. That said, apparently there is a new Alien movie coming out this year, so fifth time's the charm? (I guess seventh time if you count AvP movies)
@@neganstains5745 If that was his intend, then boy did he do a bad job. That was nothing like Monty Python.
It seems to me that Fincher should have gotten a best director nomination for Alien 3 for putting out what he did under these circumstances.
Coming out of Aliens, it was natural for the audience to want several things next.
One: Ripley had developed a relationship with Newt and Hicks. She was now effectively Newt's surrogate mother, and Hicks had become a strong character, and a potential romantic interest. Fans wanted to see those relationships evolve.
Two: Aliens further opened up the world by showing a space military, in the form of Colonial marines. The threat from the Alien had risen to multiple, and we had seen a Queen alien. It felt natural that this would be built upon, that Weyland Yutani's desire for this biological weapon might cause Earth to be put under threat, or might cause an expedition to find the origin of the aliens. Either way, the natural next film was to further explore humanity's relationship with this lethal species and perhaps find some answers to long held questions.
Ripley's story could have even ended after Aliens. After all, that was her character crescendo. She'd lost a daughter, gained a new one, and she'd faced her fears head on. It didn't have to be formulaic.
What fans didn't expect, was the erasure of the remaining characters from Aliens, and a movie which is essentially just a soft-reboot of Alien, but not as good. We're back to a group of people isolated in a network of dark corridors with minimal ways to defend themselves being hunted by a single predatory alien, and all of Ripley's relationships from the last film are removed.
That was always going to leave a sour taste. There are some good bits in that movie, but will always be a colossal case of what could have been, and never was.
Yeah, there was some great story possibilities had Newt and Hicks been in Alien 3. Can you imagine the tension of Newt in that environment with Hicks watching over her. That alone is great story material and then adding an alien to it.
Aliens is set in a dark universe where there are no happy endings
That’s how it is in space.
@Rekaert welp we can put the blame on the execs and the star herself who became executive producer and had several demands such as no guns, as much as we all love her hahaha
To be fair, other media did expand with new forms of Xenomorph, making them disturbing on wholely different levels, much like the Flood from Halo, the more you look into them, the creepier they get! If you want to know what I mean, jus look up the Gravemind Forms! Yes, "Forms", plural!
Jesus, knowing about some of these earlier drafts makes me appreciate the film EVEN more XD
Always loved Alien 3, dig the theatrical cut and the assembly cut. It's the overall mood that really drives the film for me, but I understand the hatred for it too.
GREAT VIDEO! About to watch part 2 :)
That script by Eric Red is bugshit insane.
That first draft of Gibsons script sounded like the kind of unhinged, nonsensical bullshit that Ridley Scott these days would make into a movie at the drop of a hat.
You can get it as a graphic novel from Dark Horse. And you're absolutely right. Giler and Hill were right to hard pass on that one even though all that alien virus crap seemed to have stuck to the Fox archives like speckle because it's the basis for those awful Prometheus films.
Having read those DH comics, I feel like Alien 4 borrowed quite a bit of its premise from them (save the virus part).
I notice when its talked about, its only really the basic premise about the Space Commies and Hicks + Bishop. The rest of the script sounds like it was attempting a fresh take but it missed the mark.
The Dark Horse comics handled the Aliens universe sans Ripley fairly well, thats apparently too hard for FOX/Disney
I get that there were problems, but I love this movie so much. Such a desolate horrorscape that few appreciate these days.
The wooden planet with monks version always intrigued me. Not by a Fincher, though, but by Hans-Jürgen Syberberg.
Syberberg wrote an Alien script???
@@briansimerl4014 Oh no, he did not.
Eric Red should be arrested for that script 😂. Imagine you’d seen Alien and Aliens in the cinema when they came out then eagerly clutching your popcorn at the start of Alien 3 and having to endure that utter shitshow. I would be so confused. Makes the Alien 3 we got look like a masterpiece!
LOL, doesn't it though. I couldn't believe half the things in his script. The Karen milking a cow makes it a comedy commentary today.
@@RepresentThis Logic would have dictated that the udder would have dissolved if the Alien's acid was as corrosive as previously depicted.
@@beachcomberbob3496 Completely! The script was just a mess.
@@beachcomberbob3496maybe the acidity wasn’t fully fledged.
I think Bruno Mattei would've been down to direct that shit.
I was a big fan of Alien and Aliens from the late 80s; I've thought, talked, and written, about Alien3 many times since then. I may post something here, though there is maybe enough fan theorizing and insights at this point.
But...
"an alien mosquito that bites chickens, and they turn into aliens, but fail to fly" is a truly magnificent sentence, perhaps the pinnacle of the franchise. Thank you for all your hard work.
Happy you enjoyed it. Part 2 will be out in 2 weeks.
I'll die on the hill that the alien 3 that we got wasn't that bad overall despite it's flaws, but hearing about some of the alien 3 concepts that we could have gotten instead makes the one we got look even better.
Was not bad ? It was somehow more boring than 1990-2000 sci-fi soap filler episodes....
@@theMPrintsyou need to relax mate, alien 3 feels like the godfather compared to Prometheus. Who knew how stupid things could get if you just let Ridley run around naked while everyone told him he wore a beautiful cloak
Wdym, "Relax"? He gave an opinion, he wasn't screaming and throwing a tantrum, lol. Was it a bigger deal in your head? @@jonnowocky8179 😂
It's a good move, like most of the Aliens movies, it's just being compared to the best sci Fi movies ever in the first two. But if it was a standalone coming out now, compared to all the marvel crap it'd be a masterpiece
It wasn't a terrible film. It just wasn't a good sequel to Alien or Aliens. The 2nd film upped the ante over the first film, and the third feels like a step back. It's just not as good as either of its predecessors.
The love Alien 3 gets and the hate that Alien Resurrection gets is killing me 😢
Neither movie deserve any love, but at least A:R is 'fun', and didn't make go out of its way to make the prior movies literally pointless the way A3 did. I have more hatred for A3 than any other movie I can think of. Fincher claims he hats A3 more than anyone else, so I'll have to settle for being the second biggest A3 hater in the world... But I'll challenge anyone but Fincher to a hate-off over that second place 😆
@@OrqwithVagrant Right on Point. The praise Alien 3 gets really annoys me. I like the movie (minus the monumental betrayal of the Aliens characters/storyline) till Dr. Clemence’s death. After that it’s all downhill for me (save some cool shots/scenes here and there).
That's because it's a shitty script
Who loves A3? It was absolute shit.
I am sorry some people have good taste.
They killed off Newt, Hicks and Bishop! There will be no forgiveness!
relax
My mother and I like Alien, but we love Aliens. It is our favorite movie, truly something special that we both share and enjoy. I remember waiting to see Alien 3 with nervous anticipation because I knew it could never live up to expectations. And then the day finally came when my mother and I saw Alien 3 together in the theater at the mall. I remember walking out into the food court in stunned silence. I wouldn't feel that kind of disapppointment again until many years later at the premiere of The Phantom Menace. But in that case, it was only me; Alien 3 had the honor of disappointing both myself and my mother simultaneously. I would discover later on that we were hardly the only ones.
Thanks for sharing your experience. And as you said there are many that share your view. Hope to see you in part 2.
I spent part of my theater viewing of The Phantom Menace actually just staring at the ceiling.
Excellent! I feel sorry for Fincher, and I guess the only way I would go through that hell would be a punitive contract clause.
Eric Red's script reads more like Maximum Overdrive than an Alien movie.
I've never been to a cinema screening like Alien 3. We managed tickets for the 2nd night as the premier was sold out. By about halfway through, people were getting restless. During the hunt for the alien there were catcalls, and at the end, the entire audience left in funerial silence...
Such a contrast to Aliens.
Oh excellently written!
Thank you for doing this. Development is the most fascinating part of any production for me, especially the projects that lapse into "Development Hell." Considering the root of Alien 3's demise was the fact they never had a script going in, you would have thought Lauzirika would have dedicated a segment within the Alien Anthology to exploring exactly what you pulled together. Bravo, sir.
Less than a minute in and I'm already absorbed!
To give my opinion on the film at this point - I enjoyed it in it's original form and Alien was revered in my house. It was the first "grown up" movie I ever watched alone... when I was 4-5yrs old (it was at the time and for many years afterwards the only pre-recorded film that we had), Aliens was equally as loved when it came out a couple of years later.
I really appreciated Alien³, while thinking it didn't match the lofty standards and therefore expectations created by the first two.
I haven't seen the "assembly cut" yet, but my father said it was much better.
Can't wait to watch the rest of your presentation.
Part 2 is almost ready to go, but I want to get into the retrospective of the film before I post it. There is so much to discuss about this movie and I can't wait to share it with you. Glad you're here and we can't wait to see you back.
People may hate Alien 3, but all these early ideas are utter shit.
That Ward concept (7th draft, I believe, the one with the Luddite monastery) actually sounded like the first step in the right direction to me, even if it was hampered by "Monty Pythonesque humor" and something that seems to have been a running theme through these failed early drafts, something I call: "Aliens Doing Goofy Shit" (stuff like setting things on fire with their blood, infecting machines, etc.)
Wooden planet? OK, it's weird and high concept, but it can be handwaved as a gigantic alien space-plant that the monks have carved their home into. The medieval take on the alien seemed like a neat idea: an incarnation of the devil which the monks might try (and obviously fail) to exorcise away, and whose arrival is marked by a monstrous birth (it's Aliens Doing Goofy Shit, but in this case, it's a neat idea, just one that needed some development so that it made more sense....) Monks growing and carving their monastery out of a planet-sized living plant isn't very far off from the sort of biomechanical concept that HR Giger originally worked with anyway (and it's why I actually think the screaming spaceship thing from one of the earlier scripts was one of the more intriguing failed ideas to come out of the earlier development for the movie: living, sentient, screaming spacecraft would have been right up Giger's biomechanical alley as well!)
The android that was locked away in the cellars as an abomination had a neat gothic horror quality to it, like those lunatics that used to get chained up in attics, and the secret "technology room" hidden away at the heart of this "haunted monastery in space" concept also seems like a neat, vaguely gothic idea, though it seems like it needs some work to avoid being too busy a script with all these secrets locked away in one story.
With Sigourney Weaver on board as supposed "must-have" character, it might have run off of the Old Dark House gothic horror trope, where travelers shelter from a storm in a haunted mansion full of suspicious characters hiding a dark secret: Ripley's escape pod is driven by a meteor shower or solar storm or whatever to shelter in this space monastery, where the monks don't want her intrusion and act like they have something to hide and so on, and from there it's a story of Ripley uncovering the monastery's secrets, which turn out to be that they are concealing a "xenomorph" infestation that they treat as a demonic punishment for some unknown guilt or sin they must atone for, maybe by sacrificing Ripley, folk-horror style. One could easily see a sort of internal Luddite Logic to the monks' conclusion that Ripley's arrival is one bad omen in a disturbing sudden series of bad omens that include that monstrous birth, and the "dark and stormy night" that drove Ripley's escape pod to the monastery in the first place.....
That "technology room" might be the equivalent of a "mad scientist's laboratory" where monks secretly working with "The Company" on bioweapon testing have actually caused the alien problems, and Ripley must rely on the deranged android prisoner for her survival, in a third Ripley-and-android dynamic in contrast with the coldly professional evil of the android from the first movie, and Bishop from the second movie.
There's really not much of a wheel to reinvent here, other than polishing up the sci-fi bits, and writing up some appropriate dialogue and so on: much like the second movie was a War Movie IN SPACE and the first movie was a Slasher Movie IN SPACE, gothic horror tropes like folk horror, the Old Dark House, and the Lovecraftian Small Town With a Secret are pretty well-established and familiar, play pretty well together when mixed-and-matched against each other, and are pretty easy to transfer to the Alien Universe. They just needed something a little special to tie them together and set the third movie apart from what came before, and the monks in their wooden space-monastery seem to be a great, weird concept for that purpose, one of the more original and artistic ideas that could have come from the film series since Giger's original biomechanical theme in the first movie.....
Hudson: "Awh Sarge. Its gonna hear us. I dropped my snack in the water"
Apone: "Knock it off Hudson....In space, no-one can hear ice cream"
How interesting! This series of events is just so messed up, I bet it get's worse. Thanks for the video! Love these ;)
I always wondered how Alien 3 turned out to be so bad. Now you taught me that it could have been much much worse. thank you for that...
Things get worse in part 2 and then maybe the film will look even better to everyone. :)
It’s honestly flabbergasting the chaos that was this movies Pre productions development and sad how the producers squandered the series.
With an awesome monster like the alien and/or predator....its amazing so few of tge movies are worth watching.
Despite all of this it's still a pretty great movie. It shouldn't be possible!
Wonderful video. The crazy story behind the the Alien 3 development has always fascinated me.
Part 2 will be up within 2 weeks so we hope to see you then.
Most thorough video I’ve seen on this topic
Thanks for making this
(snigger)
It’s good to see writers standing up for their beliefs in telling a good story… somehow I feel that spirit is lost on a lot of modern Hollywood productions. People are apparently so desperate for work that they will do whatever the studio wants no matter how bad it is.
It seems clear to me that all the producers wanted was to try and milk some money out of the franchise, rather than make something that would last
It wasn't great cinema, certainly not as great as the first two, but I really enjoyed it. It won't disappoint you as badly as Prometheus.
Apparently, Earth in the future is not sci fi. Excellent logic, Hollywood execs!
I unironically prefer Alien 3 to Aliens. It just resonates with me more than the action-oriented predecessor.
Technology being assimilated by Xenomorph flesh? I think someone took the "mechanical" from "bio-mechanical aesthetic" way too literally.
The one thing that I really like about this movie is that it gives us a better look at Xenomorph biology. The fact that the Xeno takes on characteristics of its host, like a virus taking some of the DNA of the cell it infected. Truly fascinating. Besides that, this movie was a pretty big let down 😢.
Fucking hell, all these absolute horse shit drafts and then you get Dark Horse comics stuff like Aliens Earth War that I think would've been great as a movie.
That fact the producers said that audiences wouldn't want Aliens to come to earth shows how much they loved huffing their own farts.
As it stands I've always disregarded anything after Aliens movie wise, I was perfectly happy for Dark Horse to carry the torch on, absolutely loved the novels and comics flowing Aliens.
totally agree.
Alien 3 is misunderstood
Simply saving humanity from certain destruction isn't enough. Character growth is important, and if you kill off all the main characters, what growth is there?
Maiden, Mother, Crone.
@@BlueMarsalis 🤔
31:02 - The sequel to Pitch Black, 'The chronicles of Riddick' was Twohy's best film, and maybe the most uderrated of the eaerly 2000's
I love Aliens 3
I actually don’t think Alien 3 is all that bad. It’s the third best in the franchise at least. Which I know isn’t saying a whole lot considering the more recent movies. But it was an OK movie in its own right. All credit to Fincher really, he was able to cobble together something perfectly watchable and enjoyable, albeit not quite up to par with the first two, despite all the hurdles he faced.
I don’t remember much about it, but the original Dark horse, series seemed to have a superior story. Wayland Yutani securing viable eggs, and starting a military research program with Xenomorphs as controlled “soldiers”. IIRC Newt is in her 20’s and She and Hicks are the ones that discover the program.
That's a hell of a well researched 40 mins. 👍
12:00 4th script from Eric Red is my favorite fairytale.
Thank you for the entertaining storyboard 😂
Can’t wait for part 2. Well done!
I haven't laughed so hard in a while. That alien chicken. I want Ai to make the Eric Red script. I want it. Please.
Times were SO different back then. The novelization came out BEFORE the movie. I read it, and it was pretty good. I enjoyed the movie, but it felt a little "off". I didn't even learn of the assembly cut for many, many years, and it is SO much better, it's hard to imagine that much improvement was possible.
You and I did the exact same thing. I think reading the book before the movie really helped me accept it more back in the day.
Planet made of wood sounds hilarious; be a fun concept for a cartoon series.
Victorian-era SF story 'The Brick Moon' is a satire on a society believing that they could do anything. Quite fun.
Just what the Alienverse needed - space pirates.
Dude i NEVER watch vids like this but i was absorbed 110% til the end! New sub here and i cant wait for pt2!
So very glad you checked us out. Part 2 is up in about 48 hours from your comment.
@RepresentThis dude so awesome!! When it ended I was like "ahhhh man. Another 3 weeks?!?!" Then I saw them posted and was relieved 😆
I was actually a fan of 3. I have never understood why it’s been so maligned.
You must like downer films!
You must like depressing, poorly written films.
@@leesheppard6043 I like David Fincher. Even though he didn’t like the film, himself, I thought Alien 3 was an interesting take on the series. I didn’t think the writing was bad. It is a downer, but I saw Ripley sacrificing herself as a heroic end. Just me.
Back in the day, I read some interviews from the production that I at the time found a little bit strange because they were talking about "Aliens" as it was a failure and a flop, and that they now were going to correct all failings with that movie. When I watched the movie I immediately recognized it as a second part 2 disguised as a part 3.
Great video, thank you.
I saw this in the theater as a little kid and it was the very first time I realized that not all movies were good. Black Rain is actually ok, certainly better than Alien 3
I still like Alien 3, mostly because Newt was killed offscreen before it even started… mostly
I’m sure that’s the exact reason people hate it
Newt was a terrible character. She ruins Aliens with bad child acting and that hideous screaming.
I agree. Their deaths hit hard and brought a merciless brutality to space and the universe.
There are a lot of takes on the death of these characters and I'm really glad you, Greg, and those that replied expressed them. Thanks for commenting.
Hahaha.
I hated this movie for what it did to the characters. They may as well have skipped Aliens and gone straight the the prison planet as it made Aliens pointless, and Aliens was as amazing as Alien was. One one of the best sequels ever made. Whereas as this rubbish felt like amateur hour.
You’ve made an excellent documentary. Very enlightening as that movie has always been a mystery to me. Thank you.
Glad to have you here, see you in 2 weeks for part 2.
Looking forward to part two :)
man this movie sucked and now i can see why
A few thoughts before I watch this...maybe our views might line up
Im a fan of A3...Goes without saying that it's not the film it could or should have been but despite that there are instances where Fincher's genius & the premise of a group of utterly irredeemable miscreants that no one cares or should even care about fighting for their lives against literal malevolence incarnate with zero resources shines through.
It's not perfect & if that's what you expect you will be disappointed...it's like finding a collection of Hendrix or Nirvana rough demos in a world saturated with blink182 & Nickelback
It's the second best film in the franchise..admittedly that is an indictement on the other installments as much as it is praise for an unpolished gem
Wow, you are mirroring a lot of my thoughts. When we get to the retrospective please comment as I am very interested to see if your views line up with ours.
The biggest flaw of this film is that it undoes the triumph of the second, which ruins the typical 3 act structure. Think the SW trilogy or LoTR. The first act introduces the world and conflict, with a minor victory for the heroes. The second act sees the heroes beaten back and in a hopeless situation, and third is the final triumph. Since ALIEN was never planned as a trilogy, we have the final triumph second, and the beaten back and hopeless third. I can see why audiences hated that, while people who are into nontraditional stories liked it. It would have been great if ALIEN 3 were the second film. After the first and beating the Zeno, Ripley crashes onto a planet where she learns she cannot easily escape the aliens, is implanted, but ultimately escapes to find a cure. ALIENS is third, and gives us Ripleys final triumph, and doesn't destroy all of her character growth from the second film. But since Fox didn't have any plan or guiding voice, and still doesnt, we got the mess we have.
When it comes to Alien 3 it is so easy to know what the fans want to see & where the story should go next. Ask any number of fans & the majority will give you the same answer. Blomkamp knew it & almost delivered. What could possibly be cooler than having Ripley take on Weyland-Yutani’s secret R&D facility? You could actually have Ripley’s daughter Amanda be preserved in cryosleep being stored in a warehouse with other test subjects. You could also have the original Queen retrieved from space by the corporation. With the Sulaco’s computer logs they would know where to find her. So Ripley gets two major reunions & you get to see all kinds of awesome new military tech with tons of action. It could be amazing.
1:34 This looks like the shot after the guy thought he'll drown for real. He was horrified.
Walter Hill and David Giler are the real villains of the Alien franchise. :P
Personaly I enjoy this movie for what it is. Its dark and plays on the same sense of paranoia as the first. The fx are not always great but it is cast well and does have a fun ending. Some of these drafts may have been too ambitious, especially for a third installment. The simpler more by the numbers movies we got, at least plays well and has a very realistic feel to it. I am also a big fan of A4. It has a lighter tone but WAY BETTER effects and gets the advantage of taking some cool shots from other A3 drafts to boot.
The cast of Alien 3 did an amazing job, completely agree with you on that. Thanks for chiming in. Grateful to have you here.
Alien 3 is still the greatest cinema disappointment I have ever had. I would have liked to see a prequel about the space jockey and how it ended up where it did. I know they did not have the technology to create such a movie back then, but it would have been awesome. Prometheus luckily delivered on some of those ideas.
I will say this, Ford Fairlane was less depressing. "What does 'Mano e mano mean? Use your head!"😄
I actually enjoy that film. Today it would never be made.
I think taking the third film into a more virus-infection area would have been neat - people ripping of their skins after feeling sick for a while (and you have SOME reason they are not scanned - earlier people turned alien via virus have already been secretly mucking about, but with more human-levels of individual planning, etc.) and revealing different looking aliens might been nice and fresh and a good change after chest bursting and queen/solo-alien hunting had already been done and were mainstream ideas.
It would also play into the Alien deleted screen that shows people being morphed into eggs, their bodies being broken down slowly as raw material, and being somewhat aware of it and in intense pain and horror over it as well.
Can't wait for part two 😳
49:18 - Ironically, YT recommend me - "The Unsung Brilliance of ALIEN 3" by "In/Frame/Out"...
Alien Book One is my Alien 3 and wish it had been made
This documentary is fantastic
alien and aliens were peak sci-fi. The rest of the franchise is dog shit
Watched the quadrilogy on video as a kid and loved all four of them. Alien 3 gets hate for undoing Aliens but even at 10 years old I loved it despite Hicks being my favourite character.
I liked alien 3 too, was it perfect no. But It made the universe that aliens is set in, real and brutal. Just like you saw in the first two movies, I think people forget the crew was sacrificed in the first movie. And the colonists were again sacrificed in the 2nd movie, It's just in the 3rd movie it's obvious seen for the viewers. Now if people want to talk about "bad" we can discuss Aliens 4.
Same here I love the desolate like universe fincher set up in alien 3
Does anyone else remember an early teaser trailer for Alien 3 where they said something along the lines of “We’ll show you… that on earth… Everyone can hear you scream.”
Or did I see that in a fever dream?
Yep, that was the early 1991 trailer, and you can see it in part 2 or if you do a search on CZcams just type in alien 3 teaser.
Brilliant. Look forward to part two. I just don’t understand get how two clowns like Hill and Giller got to play in the candy store with a to die for franchise. The idiocy on their part was next level.
33:12 Looks like they hired _methamphetamines_ for the 7th draft. 😂
This video made me realize I had completely erased alien 3 from my brain. I thought resurrection was the third movie. I'm curious to watch it again now and see how bad it was
Around 2006 I walked into a thrift store and found the novel's Earth Hive,, and Nightmare Asylum by Steve Perry and Stephanie Perry and wondered of the original Alien 3 story was supposed to have happen on earth.
Yeah that teaser for this film clearly implied a xenomorph Earth invasion. When the movie came out I remember thinking, where's Earth, just like Lambert. Thanks for commenting.
Those novels were based on the Dark Horse Graphic novels of Book 1 Book 2 and earth war. Book 1 was complete when Gibsons first draft was being written.
This was more hilarious than I thought 😂 who in their right might would seriously write a script with a xeno chicken and a xeno mosquito oh my god that is INSANE
I think the best script imo was the first only because they actually used Hicks instead of killing him off.
I will say I enjoyed the extended special edition cut a lot better.
A cyberpunk concept for an Alien movie sounds like an interesting step in the franchise without killing the lore or ruining established characters.
Imagine a setting like the 1981 movie, Outland. But instead of a space station its a small city on a tiny planet. It could be about a detective investigating the disappearance of locals. Eventually the movies climax would lead him to the sewers for a cat and mouse sequence.
I think the monk colony could have worked with changes and been a strange, but interesting setting. The reveal that the colony is actually built around a mainframe (the Tech Room) or that all of the monks are actually Synthetics, some kind of twist to fit the tone of the universe of the series.
17:00ish - at least the mosquitoes are more plausible than Gibson's airborne ting!
Gibson's story is horrible.
I also think, regardless of how much it may not belong in the Alien universe (and I agree that it doesn't belong), that the wooden planet idea is super interesting! I'd certainly much rather see a graphic novel released of that idea than the Gibson one.
Resurrection is wild but a fun ride
The first draft of Whedon's script was great but the final film was terrible.
Anyone else here listen to Alien Theory and his recounting of the Earth Wars Alien comic? Shits so good and really makes me wish we could have gotten that.
Earth War was really good. They could have done some amazing things with this franchise.
Sounds like the whole film was designed to be a tax write-off, until someone in accounts got panicked by the IRS and said, "We have to make this now or we're screwed!"
I can't recall how many times I rewatched Alien and Aliens over the years but I can definitely say that I only watched Alien3 one time and I still want that 2 hours back.
What would you do with those 2 hours that would be so life fulfilling? I hate when people say that.
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I am in the minority who liked Alien 3. The assembly cut was superior though. I thought despite everything Fincher and the cast and crew went through they still managed to make a decent sequel.
DPop, I think you would be surprised how many Alien 3 fans there are out there like yourself. I really hope you return for the later parts of the series. Part 2 in two weeks and the retrospective deep dive after. I would be interested in your thoughts then as well.
l cant believe so much drama to produce a movie where some creatures stalk and eat people in a spaceship...
Disclaimer: I did’t paid attention, it was, you, the creator of the video who answered me. My bad. Amazing set of videos! Very informative and it really shows the incompetence behind the settings. My critique was towards the people who mindlessly praise Alien 3. Especially when gratuitously destroying Alien Resurrection, by comparison. As if they really cared and planed Alien 3, in the first place. You, however, show its glaring flaws.
Original post: “The number of videos praising this messy iteration is astounding”.
Differing opinions can be frustrating for some.
@@RepresentThis Disclaimer- I actually like Alien 3. But, please, don’t pretend it’s a masterpiece, because Fincher comes first to say it’s very very flawed.
But, hey- don’t listen to Fincher. You all know better.
@@frenchcoupon3391 I don't remember anyone saying it was a masterpiece but people are allowed to think what they want and they should be allowed to without being mocked by anyone who disagrees or agrees with them.
@@RepresentThis check the CZcams videos. There are dozens of it. People who praise Alien 3 mock the Alien 4 fans and they despise the movie.
@@RepresentThisSee my redacted upper comment. Amazing documentary work!
If you consider the Fery around this film, what we got is a minor miracle. imagine what we wouldve got if Fischer was allowed to do this thing.
Or for that matter Vincent Ward.
Completely agree coin.
That fourth treatment is wild as HELL ,i cant believe alien theory hasnt covered this
Im subbin lol