Elvis Costello and the Attractions accept award Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductions 2003
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- Elvis Costello and the Attractions accept award Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductions 2003
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I can't imagine those albums without Bruce Thomas's great bass playing.
I agree that Elvis would have been great even without Bruce but seriously, listen to his bass on all those albums, nobody could have done it better. He should have given him a hug or something. Your the man Bruce
AKIRA TV the bass made Elvis' music stand apart just a bit more than it already did
He & Bruce don’t get along however Elvis was cordial with his speech.
@@brettthebassist Made a point of shaking his hand as he left the dais.
The bass on "Pump It Up, " through the whole song, is my favorite bass part in all of rock and roll.
Any gadget you're lucky enough to hear that song on becomes a living thing for the span of that song.
I Don't Want to Go to Chelsea?
The palpable tension between Costello and restless Bruce Thomas behind him really hangs over this. It's a shame Costello couldn't just thank Thomas for the brilliant bass-playing that drove those early records, instead of awkwardly dragging up their relationship as a seque to how much he misses Joe Strummer.
Don't know if it's just me, but I felt that Elvis handled addressing Bruce Thomas well enough and don't get me wrong, he could've spoke about Bruce for a bit longer, but he also could have handled things in a much worse manner. I still think that Bruce Thomas is the best bassist Elvis Costello ever had.
I agree, he probably did deal with that as well as he could, he clearly hates the guys guts but acknowledged his musicianship. Its just personal taste but that early Attractions sound, all clatter and treble, wasn't something I particularly enjoyed; I loved the tough rock n roll sound of his first album. Having said that, by the time we got to Imperial Bedroom, the Attractions had grown considerably in nuance, and that album, one of my all time fav records, has some brilliant performances. They were also superb on his criminally underrated final album with them, All This Useless Beauty.
@@trevormortimer4103 "Imperial Bedroom" is a masterpiece!
@@julianwalch3567 yes I agree....his best album by a mile...the songwriting is just astonishing
I remember in 1977 or 78 Elton had 'retired' and still won an award for UK Artist of the Year for radio I think it was. He accepted the award saying that the award should go to Elvis Costello, whom Elton thought was the best thing all year.
This Year's Model and My Aim is True, holy shit! what great works of art. Anyone aspiring to be a rock songwriter needs to get those two albums and study 'em intently.
Bruce Thomas . ✅🎸
So well deserved - still a fan after all these years.
Bruce Thomas fue y será la piedra angular del sonido Attractions. Un bajista sólido y directo. Great Bruce.
I am a huge Elvis Costello fan, but ... what an asshole he was to Bruce Thomas. Bruce was crucial to the sound and arrangements of his early work, and is a brilliant bass player. Bruce Thomas deserved better than he got from Elvis.
@Tim Converse Yes that was a bit cringeworthy. Why bring any of that up? A lot of folk would not even know about it their 'petty grievances'. A bit of backhanded praise for Bruce and he looked peeved. Don't blame him! I suppose Elvis has become a bit of a Diva over the years.
@@knickertwistcopperby6066 Diva? They had a fall out , hell some marriages do as well. If you have read the big wheel that Bruce wrote, I say what Elvis did say about Bruce is perfectly fine : "The Attractions , the band that started the whole thing going". That does incl. him. And "Bruce who played the great bass lines on all of the Attractions records."
Go back and listen to the bass lines in all of Elvis and The Attractions tunes. They drove and in some instances ,(Pump it up) defined the song....Bruce deserves a lot more credit than the crumbs Elvis begrudgingly gives him.......bad form Elvis.
They had some bad blood, obviously. They reunited in the '90s, only for the issues to come up between the two of them again after a few years, then their split became permanent. Bruce is the only member of the Attractions Elvis doesn't like.
Could Bruce write a song???????? Elvis is the greatest songwriter of all time-rocks harder than Dylan ever could-much more variety and more melodic overall....
@@vernpascal1531 Exactly, and to be fair, Bruce was jealous of the spotlight because of Elvis' phenomenal song crafting skills, and much of Elvis' ire is very well earned and well deserved by Bruce. I though Elvis was pretty congenial and generous given all the circumstances, and the segue to missing Joe Strummer was a great way to illustrate that life is too short for petty grievances (which Bruce can't seem to let go of, not the other way around at all... typical band member jealous of front man extraordinaire, an age as old as time, or at least back to the Jazz Age).
But Elvis never wrote The Big Wheel.
Biggest Elvis Costello fan of all time, seen him at least 20 times live all over North America. And he's a low-class CHILD here, re: Bruce Thomas. Bruce was a massive part of the Attractions' unique sound, a massive part of EC's success. Grow up, Declan Macmanus, grow up.
The big shame r.e. Elvis and Bruce is that for a good enough time they we exceptionally good friends. Alas it doesn't always turn out the way we would like. Bruce is a magnificent bassist, Elvis a magnificent songwriter, and they complement each other so well musically. That's life, I guess.
Love this man’s music 1977 to now, wow!
He says this isn't the place to air grievances ...so even bring it up at all
? That was so awkward.
I agree. Not pleasant. Uncalled for.
I read "The Big Wheel," Bruce Thomas' book, back when it came out. It was a fun read for anyone who cared about Elvis and the Attractions. I don't really understand why it engendered so much animosity from Elvis. Thomas didn't really say too many negative things about Elvis that I recall other than Elvis had some pretensions (no duh).
+fudgesauce Bruce has said what you just did. But for a pretentious insecure man, any poking fun is not acceptable. The Attractions are world class musicians who have played for many other famous artists and he just could not share the spotlight.
The "Rot" set in way before the book. That was probably just the 'icing on the cake' so to speak.
I played the first 6 Albums plus "Taking Liberties" to death when I was a teen and young adult.
I also saw Elvis and the Attracts live several times at their peak.
The Attractions were indeed the greatest back up band of all time. Three guys rocking that hard for a man who writes amazing songs, sings the crap out of them live, but at the time of that peak was still a very crude, unskilled guitarist, is nothing short of amazing.
I thought that Elvis was certainly gracious enough with Bruce but I can see from a musical standpoint where the tensions could have possibly come.
Bruce's approach to the bass was very much in the Entwistle model - Bassist as Lead instrument.
Given that fact that Elvis had very limited solo ability (and per the last time I saw him live, which was 2008, still did) SOMEBODY had to play leads.
That someone was Bruce.
Steve of course provided the rich harmonic texture with his amazing piano and organ work, but Bruce's driven virtuoso lines were mandatory in terms of making the songs rock.
"Pump It Up" always gets named, but for me the work in "Imperial Bedroom" from Bruce is absolutely stunning. Take a listen to "Shabby Doll" or "Human Hands" as just two examples of this.
So there may have been in fact the classic tension between "singer" and "instrumentalist" which is a real thing in bands. "Who is the star?" Well it all depends. If it's Elvis taking a sleepy little song like "Big Sisters Clothes" and destroying you with it live, then obviously he's the star. If it's Bruce's thunderous solo in "Lipstick Vogue" then Bruce is the star.
Bruce also had an extensive Jazz background. When the band was in its prime Elvis had very strong ideas about what would and would not be influences. I am sure he has changed drastically from that period but I remember a comment Bruce made about telling Elvis at his audition that Steely Dan was an influence of his, and that Elvis was not thrilled by the reference.
Then there is a song called "Wednesday Week" that includes this manic pentatonic riff in G played by Bruce in a quick cut time. That riff was stolen note for note from a Steely Dan song. It worked perfectly in Elvis' song, so the joke was on him.
If stuff like that was going on throughout the run it could explain much.
The bottom line is that the Attractions includes Bruce. It is not the same band without him.
Those first few records of Elvis Costello (including My Aim is True without The Attractions) are absolute masterpieces.
Well the first album with Clover is IMHO his best. The Attractions do play on Waiting for the End of the World and the second album. Elvis is a bit off in the head. Too smart by half and not bright at all. Antithetical angst masquerading as intelligence as here he is rambling uncontrollably. Schnoooooor!
the attractions dont play on waiting for the end of the world
@@fredfat1606 Correct but they DO play on "Watching the Detectives." Unless the British release of My Aim Is True is different that song is include on the Album and it is clearly the Attractions backing him up.
Bruce Thomas Bass 🔊 ♥️ 🎶 🎧
Bruce Thomas is the greatest bass player.....Elvis needed him....
the imposters are the subtractions without bruce Thomas .......davey what's his name is horrible...
Well...McCartney is the greatest..but I get your point.
They're not The Attractions without Bruce.
@@slw59 That's why they're called something else.
@@tomshea8382 Rightly so.
Declean Mcannnus aka ElvisCostello should have shown more Respect to Bruce. He and Pete were the cornestone of the Attraction, the band that made him sucessful.
Just all around greatness
Bruce: (STANDS THERE being the best late 70s early 80s bass player possible)
E Costello: SALLLLLLLLLLLLTY
Gran gran músico!!
@KimJongCostello Brillient is an understatement. No Bruce Thomas? No greatness.
Never has better music been made by Elvis Costello, than with the Attractions. I dont believe we will be hearing about the rude 5, confederates, or imposters being inducted into anything soon. Nor should we be expecting a super-mega-box set for any of their recordings, as was just made of Armed Forces. Time to let it go, have an Attractions reunion tour playing full albums each night..."Trust, Get Happy!!, This Years Model, Armed Forces, Blood and Chocolate, Goodbye Cruel World, Punch the Clock, Imperial Bedroom, Taking Liberties, All this Useless Beauty, Brutal Youth".. and be grateful.
Strange he doesn't mention Ray Davies as an influence, I always thought Elvis was a fan of him
He left Bruce to lucky last and made mention of the tension without malice, I feel.
Made a point (or maybe not, just did it) of shaking his hand as he left too.
No Question that Bruce Thomas was a large part of the sounds of the Elvis Costello catalogue of the 70's and and 80's. But Vruce was just one part of the band. Steve Nice e and Pete Thomas also deserve a lot credit for creating that incredible sound that Elvis got out of every song he wrote and recorded. But without Elvis amazing chord progressions, amazing lyrics and heartfelt vocals, the Atractions would be playing Muzak. Together though, they defined an era. Well, them and the Clash... It is fitting that they both be inducted together.
STRUMMER&JONES..well done E.C!
you think for one night they could have buried the hatchet and bruce could have played with elvi and the attractions
Elvis is one of my favorite artists and songwriters of all time, but I wish he gave bassist Bruce Thomas some credit here, even though there were known tensions between them at the time... go back and listen to the Imperial Bedroom and especially go to tracks like "The Loved Ones" and "Shabby Doll", there was no bassist in this world made better for his compositions than Bruce Thomas. That whole run from 77-86 is made better for Thomas' presence, even if Elvis likes to pretend it would have been just as fine without
elvis did bruce wrong that night. didn't even mention his last name. you could tell bruce was hurt by it. a shame.
The Big Wheel was a very public low blow from Bruce - from 1990.
Shocking to see that Elvis Costello is not a saint!
LOL...imagine that!
Franz Schubert. He is in fact the greatest songwriter of all times, and almost no one got Elvis' reference.
No nod to Davies, Townshend, Partridge or Weller- all great fellow English songwriters of the highest caliber.
Maybe he didn't like their music? Weller was a contemporary, why the fuck would he name check him as an influence?
@Duff Baker Or Roland Orzabal. He is an underrated songwriter.
@@eddielasowsky7777 He acknowledged Difford and Tilbrook as influences. Just sayin...🤷♂️
Bruce Thomas seems to be one of those musicians that doesn't listen to other people that try to tell him how to play - he does what he thinks sounds good and the Costello records he played on prove that he was right to be that way. Those songs wouldn't have been half as good without him.
Bruce Thomas made those records
Wow, too bad he was so tart about Bruce. I love Elvis, but when you're being honored in this way, you need more dignity. Oh well.
I used to be a Elvis fan until I saw the way he treated Bruce here.
What an asshat.
Disappointing to see he couldn't get past his animosity to throw Bruce anything more than the most cursory of mentions but then we can't look into another man's heart and understand why he would carry such hatred on for so long.
Such a shame when as artists I respect them both so much and sincerely believe that Elvis hasn't produced anything remotely as good without Bruce as he did with him.
Frankly it is just galling to see so many people as genuinely important as Declan line up to kiss up to a bizarre organization that can't be bothered to recognize Roy Brown, who recorded the hit "Boogie At Midnight" ("let's get together, gonna rock this joint" over backbeat) and "Butcher Pete" in 1949 and wrote Wynonie Harris's hit "Good Rockin' Tonight" from 1947, and thus did as much as anyone to _invent rock and roll_. Or artists who are living such as hitmaker Big Jay McNeely, who recorded the rocker "Man Eater" in 1948 (among others) and about whom the term "instrumental rocker" was used in _Billboard_ magazine in 1949. McNeely said this year, "I don't know why the Rock Hall keeps forgetting about me.... I just hope they remember Big Jay one of these years, while I'm still alive." It's a hall of FAME, and that's why Pete Seeger who disliked rock and roll and country singer Jimmie Rodgers who died before rock and roll existed have been recognized. A hall of _rock and roll_, not so much. And the famous, they're already famous! :-/ A guy who formerly worked for the Hall told me that it exists to make money. Which Frank Zappa's widow found out when she was told not all of Frank's four kids could attend his induction without paying the Hall for seating. The Hall also rejected her proposal that Frank's friend and influence Johnny Guitar Watson induct him. "[T]hey told me they couldn't rely on him. I said, 'I have never known him to be anything but completely lucid and charming.' I was livid."
Maureen Tucker managed to get the Hall to let her kids and mother be present during the Velvets' induction. They apparently told her: 'Okay, but don't tell the Shirelles.'
Puta que pariu! The long list of wrong doing by this organization is vast and long. Even Steve Miller got up and berated them for being cheap and petty making his band members pay for their seating. The seating for that event is not cheap. It is also a sizeable hall. There is plenty of recouping for the organization to "cover costs" without making any of the inductees' families pay for the privilege.
And don't get me started on Jan Werner (Rolling Stone) and his evil doing over the years... Caramba!
ahh Strummer and Jones...the best
i'm not blaming him but i saw two concerts -syracuse 78? and that mossport fest and the sound was shitty
it's nice that he thanks a lot of people but on the other hand it takes time away from telling stories about his own journey. I guess that's always a tension in a speech accepting an award
Bruce is one of the greatest rock bassists ever, no doubt. But to say that Elvis couldn't have done what he did without him is nonsense. Costello is the greatest songwriter in history. Just look at his intimidating volume of work with and without Bruce Thomas. He definitely doesn't need to hang his hat on Bruce's contribution.
Bruce is without a doubt an incredible bass player and he contributed a lot to the albums but even with me on bass Elvis would still be in the Hall of fame..and I can't play the bass..If Bruce hadn't been there at the time then Nick Lowe would have been a member so no big loss there
+fencecat422 Ever hear EC's post Bruce Thomas albums? Think they "rock"?
+Bruno TaTa Yes. Spike, Mighty Like a Rose, When I Was Cruel, The Delivery Man, Momofuku, River in Reverse, and Secret Profane and Sugarcane all rock. I am partial to the post-punk/new-wave stuff that he did with the Attractions, but that doesn't mean the other stuff isn't awesome as well.
You mean with Clover.
Bruce was not a member of Clover. Try to follow the conversation.
Get Warren Zevon in this thing!
jake riviera?
At least he didnt mention Ray Charles.
LMFAO... hence why we only have 3 "Angry Punk Elvis" albums. He started his apology tour with "Get Happy", the "Motwon" album.
the attractions not allowed to speak?
because he didn't grow up on Elton's music...
Weird
Costello is as subtle as a brick, doubtless triggered by Bruce Thomas' apparent peevishness. While I count myself as a fan of their music going back to the 70's, I admit that Costello is an acquired taste who hasn't threatened the 'mainstream' in any meaningful way since The King of America album, released 35 years ago.
Well, they say most "acts" in the Rock n Roll game have a shelf life of around 5yrs. He's been around for what 50 years now? Not bad I'd say.
Veronica came after King of America" and it was a monster hit.
That being said Elvis has never been "mainstream" so your comment has no real meaning. The whole point of him being an "Acquired Taste" is that he isn't an artist that corporate commercial music can control. You make him a Punk? He does Motown. You get used to that? Here comes a country Album. Not into that? He goes Neo Beatles and puts out "Imperial Bedroom." You like that? Screw you here comes "Every Day I Write the Book". You think he's a hit maker now? OK here comes "Juliet Letters" with a decided "fuck you I'm into classical music now".
There's no way to market that in commercial music terms. It is what it is.
The only other artist who got away with it was Bowie, who was also an "acquired taste".
@@yummyyum36719 I share your enthusiasm, but Elvis Costello is still very much a cult artist who hasn't had a hit since 'She' - a very average cover. You are a super fan who perceives mainstream as 'selling out'. There is room in the market for everyone including Costello.
Nobody remembers David Ackles, which is horrid :(
Uncomfortable to watch the obvious tension between Costello and Bruce Thomas. Bruce had his chance for a reconciliation when he was invited to play bass on Brutal Youth, but allegedly blew it when they went on tour.
+Rex Mundi Yes the tension is palpable, particularly hearing EC's slightly quivering voice - the dry mouth nerves are obvious - plus Bruce looking on with a very marked animosity. What's with Elton looking through the window at the back holding a conversation with Steve? Distracting and rude.
+theselector Steve doesn't mind...
They did one more album after Brutal Youth, called All This Useless Beauty. Then after the tour for that album ended, they broke up for good. Apparently, Bruce had been playing whatever he wanted instead of what he was supposed to play, and wound up "sabotaging" the songs on stage, which was the last straw.
TAFARockWarrior97
I have that album ATUBeauty, one of my favourites.
Rex Mundi I've just heard it myself. It's not bad. I like it more than King of America, maybe more than National Ransom, but not as much as Imperial Bedroom.
elton is a big supporter of the clash and pistols.yes, he and elvis are friends and mutual admirers. knowing what i do of elton, he might not be entusuastic about the induction of bob segar, zz top, skynyrd, van halen, or metallica. from his perspective, these performers are very american, and very ugly, lol! but again, the pistols and clash (from his perspective) were mean, nasty, dangerous, cute brittish boys... i know that for a fact that he was a supporter.
Dullest Speech Ever
Rock and Roll is dying. So now all that's left to induct are the "Ron Santos" of rock.
Well, if they are inducting people from 25 years ago, that means it was dying back in the 90s - - and that's not going to hold water!
2023 IT'S DEAD
Love How The Crowd Claps to bands and people they have never heard off. Poor.
EC would be fuck all without Bruce end of
dAMN bRUCE HoW manY SCREEN NAmES u got?
Who the hell listens to Elvis Costello & when did anyone ever hear his songs on the radio? Did he ever have a top 40 hit? Was his name Elvis the reason he got in? He doesn't look, perform or play like Elvis. This induction is a joke when you take into account all the great bands that are omitted from the hall. Super Groups & great artists like Bad Company, REO SpeedWagon, T. Rex, Peter Frampton, Joe Cocker, The Doobie Brothers, Jethro Tull, Jim Croce, Gordon Lightfoot, Johnny Rivers, Eddie Money, .38 Special, Todd Rundgren , Pat Benatar, John Coltrane, Barry White, Harry Chapin, Steve Winwood, Badfinger, Jan and Dean, Dick Dale, Link Wray, Warren Zevon, Ozzy Osbourne, War, Phish, Boston, Canned Heat, The Turtles, Glen Campbell, Blues Project, Emerson, Lake and Palmer, Manfred Mann, Billy Preston, Boz Scaggs, Ten Years After, Grand Funk Railroad, J. Geils Band, Tommy James and the Shondells, John Mayall, Steppenwolf, Three Dog Night, Johnny Winter, Lonnie Mack, The Grass Roots,The Guess Who, Foreigner, Electric Light Orchestra, Herman’s Hermits & more. I would induct The Monkees before I would Costello.
Rock & Roll HOF is a joke.
The Velvets and Ramones weren't on the radio. That's hardly the measure of art. And yes, he did, in fact, have a top 40 hit, though.
A ridiculous take. With even a cursory listen, it's easy to pick up on the clear genius of his song-crafting and his excellent lyrics. Seems probable that you have not listened to much of his music. Of course many of the folks you laundry list above are certainly deserving (though several on your list are pretty laughable--REO Speedwagon? The Monkees? Phish?), and yes, the Hall of Fame is obviously an unmitigated piece of shit travesty. But give even a half-ass listen on CZcams to full albums like Imperial Bedroom, Get Happy, This Year's Model, Taking Liberties, Trust, or any number of other LPs from his vast catalog and you'll likely get it pretty quick.
Ever been called a Philestine before?
Just asking for a friend....lol
Billboard Stats for Elis Costello: 8 Top 40 hits. 4 Top 10 hits. You list has many worthy entries, but few on that list match the depth and breadth of Elvis Costello's career over the decades. Elvis is still going and creating vital music whereas Doobie Brothers, Bad Company, and their ilk are kind of just dinosaur review shows, if they're even still gigging still at all. So sorry that you just don't get why he and the lads were inducted. In a word, the reason is talent. Talent that has been demonstrated decade after decade, and that he continues to present.
Allison
Watching The Detectives
Accident Will Happen
Oliver's Army
Pump It Up
Every Day I Write The Book
Veronica
Just to name a few. Those all cracked the top 40. That being said you have named a great many people who also should be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
You've also named some people who suck... Foreigner? Seriously?
The entire point of Elvis' popularity with his fan base is that he is NOT writing some commercial boilerplate shit like "Hot Blooded".
As for your suggestion that the Monkees should be in the HOF, hey why not. I'd put them in there before Foreigner in a minute.
Let's not even discuss how execrable and deserving of the ash heap musical history REO Speedwagon is. Thank you for reminding me why there was a Punk/New Wave movement to begin with....