Ranking your polyrhythms
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- čas přidán 18. 01. 2022
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lol, apparently 21:37 is a poland meme, we didn't know that. we just thought somebody was listing large numbers to be an idiot. Sorry poland
Tbh it is a pretty trash meme. But we love it anyway. You have to forgive us this one!
21:37 symbolizes time when Pope John Paul II died, but our nation is wierd and we meme it
It deserves F tier anyway
@@EriFluff Pope memes used to trigger polish people to extraordinary measures (doxing, death threats), so it became a popular meme. At this point it kind of has the Rick Roll status - not as a prank perhaps, but rather as something obviously very old and overused but still gets you every time.
For those who are interested: 21:37 (9:37pm) is the time Pope John Paul 2 died. Because he is being worshiped like crazy in Poland, the internet counterculture started to mock him to troll people and 2137 is one of the most popular pope meme out there
So Shawn really is the one person to use %100 of his brain to count time signatures...
I Think it's more like he has additional brains just to process what his limbs do, like octopuses
Well, he's a Drummer... So i am pretty sure he needs 100% of his brain to count.
Gavin Harrison actually has this 'cpu' analogy to playing: if you need to use 100% of your cpu, you need to simplify. When you have the skill down, you are able to focus on other things: dynamics, locking in with other musicians and so on.
Nah only 25% brain is enough to count them
I gurantee I'm the only person to use -100% of my brain to count.
Playing polyrhythms on the drums is so impressive it’s so cool that he can do that
I'd argue playing polyrhythms with guitar or piano is much harder
@@Henrix1998 Still impressive regardless of instrument
@@Henrix1998 depends on how you play it
@@Henrix1998 yeah you’re probably right but it’s still really impressive
Read it as if you were being sarcastic
imo a lot of polyrhythms sound more musical when they're "flipped", so the two rhythms meet on the backbeat instead of the downbeat.
I've never thought of that. Interesting
Oh that sounds cool. Any examples of this in music off the top of your head?
Good idea
Whooooa, I gotta try thattt
@@perpetualgrimace 10.000 days by tool is a good example of a flipped 3:2 polyrhythm
21:37 is the one polyrhythm you cannot slander
I don't think Adam realizes the significance of this polyrhythm
Adam should ask John Paul II. He knows about it a lot!
21:37, also known as the ''yellow'' interval
i really was stupid enough to click the timestamp
@@tacocatpoopracecarpooptacocat lol me too
Polyrhythms to me are what polymers are also to me. The things that stopped me from getting good at music and biochemistry.
czcams.com/video/EMtX-P8EuEw/video.html simple like inca inca momma
ok
The same can then be said about polynomials in mathematics!
@@RepentInReprise polynomials and polymers are completely different from polyrhythms, do you not realise this
@@rishabsrivatsa8919 Do you even English?
6:47, ah, so now I can have BESPOKE POLYRHYTHMS to go alongside my PRO LEVEL CHORDS
would you like to buy 6:9?
You are now A D V A N C E D
i like the way the man kicked the ball
@@stephendonovan9084 not nearly as PRO LEVEL as 18:27
@@janmelantu7490 sorry m’lord my contribution was junior-level at most
i think what you are doing is great
Man Shawn is like a rhythm cyborg, I can't even begin to imagine how much practice he has put into his craft
ask any drummer most of it is feeling the rhythm
Because of this video I'm looking for a home to buy, thanks guys
congratz! why tho?
@@thecognacsipper 0:50
what
I can guarantee everyone who watched this would have liked the samples to be 400% longer. Just my 2c for any similar future videos with a similar elementary subject matter where a lot of different categories of the same thing get listed.
yeah, it’s super hard for me to get a feel for an unfamiliar rhythm when there’s only 1 or maybe 2 cycles of it
Shawn's 13:12 example is basically a Purdie shuffle with a little extra spice to keep you on your toes, which I dig.
I clicked this 3 times trying to skip to the segment lol
1312 = ACAB
@@sausas8209 based polyrhythm?!?
actual time stamp is 5:54 for the record
@@hedgechasing thanks mom
I think it's gonna be lost on a lot of people how good of a drummer this guy is.
Yes, most of us assume he's an Android.
You think? As a non-drummer these skills, so casually exercised, seem almost impossible.
No, not at all lmao. Anyone who knows anything about music knows how hard it is to play two different time signatures at once
i mean not to the audience of this channel
@@manuelc3423 it's not really two entire time signatures, just two beats. still fucking hard though lol
2:54 the Polish reference Adam did not get xD
Explain pls
@@kofiLjunggren 21:37 is the hour when pope John Paul II died. it became a meme because Polish people really, REALLY worship him (there's a John Paul II street and school in most cities, and there are around 800 statues of him) so people wanted to make fun of that by making pope memes, 21:37 being one of them. eventually, it stopped annoying most people, but people are making fun of him to this day
@@kofiLjunggren it's a very old meme dating back to old polish imageboard karachan (it was like a Polish 4Chan)
It was a way to comment on the mindless cult Pope John Paul II has in Poland to this day. Images and videos with his face tinted yellow ("żółta morda" - "the yellow face") and the hour of his death 21:37 caused outrage time and time again and became the perfect trolling material.
These guys have so much charisma. The seemingly nearly effortless way that Crowder intuits so many of what are, to me, preposterously complex polyrhythms is such a joy to watch.
Love the chill chaotic energy of this video
You guys should do more videos like this, I admire the combined musical skill, knowledge and understanding that you guys have.
I was eating breakfast and looked up right at 10:11 and saw you both staring directly into my soul. Thanks as always for another great video!
I personally like 5:11 (the polyrhythm not the timestamp) a lot because it feels like the super-particular 5:6, but you delay when it moves forward a beat by one beat.
I generally like, if it's going to get into higher numbers, to have one number significantly smaller than the other. 7/2 better than 7/4, 11/5 better than something like 13/12. Idk, it feels like you have more room for expression in the gaps.
@@user-et3xn2jm1u I agree; I think it's because you get rhythmic interest in the contrast of density. With lower super-particular relations, e.g. 3:2, 5:4, each number is, from a human perspective, of a more tangibly different scale, whereas with larger cases like 13:12 it's not so much the case, and especially with super-particular cases that get above, say, probably around 17 where the difference is ~5%. or less.
But anyways, with larger distances between numbers when one side is fairly sizable, you do get a marked contrast that creates a more interesting sound. I like 5:11 a lot especially insofar as it's basically just a more complex 5:3. If you're playing each metronomically, to go from 5:3 to 5:6, you play every other beat of the group of 5. From there, if you just delay every time you come in with the beats in the group of 5 by one beat from the group of 6, the group of 6 becomes a group of 11, and I think this works out because 11 is one greater than a multiple of 5, or in other words, is a super-particular of a multiple of 5 (being 10). As such, there's a really clear and intuitive pattern going on that forms the polyrhythmic idea, which I think ends up feeling really satisfying.
"musically that might be interesting, right?"
Do you know if Radiohead uses polyrythm in some of their songs?
@@valentinasanchez5757 They use polymeters in some of their songs; Let Down and Lotus Flower both has a prominent group of 5 played in songs that are otherwise in 4/4. Let Down's electric guitar pattern is in 5/8 but the song is in 4/4, and in Lotus Flower the clapping pattern at the start is also (primarily) in 5/8 while the rest of the music is in 4/4. I can't think of polyrhythms specifically though.
I saw this video a month ago and didn't realize until just rewatching it now that I was the one to recommend 5:7 at 1:47! Super stoked to be part of the vid! Keep doing what ur doing Adam and Shawn!
I absolutely love this celebration and hyper focus on polyrhythms. Ranking them definitely feels like rating keys, but I still really love this whole video
Adam casually disrespecting the nation of Poland by putting 21:37 in the trash tier.
Yeah, they should play whole track in 21:37 as an apology.
Jazz Barka in 21:37
The coolest thing about 6:5:4:3:2:1 is when you speed it up, you get a major chord :) Although that's also true for 5:3:1 or some other combination
I agree with you on that one. Really any polyrhythm can be also interpreted as a JI chord or dyad. In a lot of ways, the consonance of a chord/dyad in just intonation corresponds to the ease of interpretation of a polyrhythm expressed with the same ratio. For instance, 3:2 can express both the perfect fifth and the most easily appreciated of the polyrhythms.
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Someone here watched that Jacob Collier's short
ok jacob collier 🙂
this video was so wholesome! Very nice to see you just chatting!!
Please do more of this. I immediately loved this.
Huge fan I’m a 17 year old drummer from LA and you helped me a lot
Thank you so much
Loving the lick in all those different polyrhythms
Had to scroll too far to see someone mention the lick lmao so good
Would love to see more tier lists like this, awesome idea.
Chord voicings!
I like numbers so much. Thank you for this content.
7:6 was my favorite actually. Some of the others are too weird for me but that one is the perfect blend between complicated and groovy.
I did not expect to see this video today
Love this.
Love this!
5:7 is technically the septimal tritone, or septimal diminished 5th. Not to be confused with the 12-tone equal tempered tritone (√2)
The latter is the only one that's truly satanic, IMO
I knew it sounded not exactly correct when adam called it that
Thanks, I was looking for the "nerdier than adam" thread
Everyone knows a tri tone is an augmented 4th not a diminished 5th.
@@diegovillacrez8349 or maybe just maybe a tritone is a tritone wow insane mindblowing 🤯🤯🤯🤯
I'd just assumed the person submitting 13:12 was making an ACAB reference lol, but it sounded pretty legit! I'm still getting a hang of basic polyrhythms, but I really like 7:3
Thank you for this. Truly.
Great demos of groovin’ the polies!
13 16 is not only the best polyrhythms but also a phenomenal time signature
I'd be curious to see an analysis of how accurately human musicians can play various polyrhythms. I'd bet there's a point of complexity where there's rapidly diminishing accuracy for even the best musicians.
Rapidly diminishing accuracy does occur thats why we have no polyrhythms like 29:31
Awesome!
MORE SUCH SUNGAZER NERDY CONTENT!!! actually it's really hard to follow it sometimes but it's really exciting
I mean, 21:37 polyrythm is just a way of paying respect to a brilliant man, polish pope, Jovano Paulo Secundo
Yeaaaa, all Polish people knows that numbers, better than their birthdate xd
The biggest of the poles
If Polish then should say Jan Paweł drugi
@@ApexHerbivore Jan Paweł Drugi was ready to boogie
@@whitemeadowsounds7198 lol yeah he was
Never thought I’d see Shawn playing the Purdie shuffle.
This was a really fun video with the hanging out at the band room vibe.
keep em coming
This tier list reminds me of Danny Carey 4-way polyrhythm in Pneuma, idk what it is, but it sounds great.
The 6:5:4:3:2:1 polymeter (not polyrhythm) is a huge theme in Tool's Rosetta Stone for. Basically most of the 2nd half of the song is using this motiff.
Cytherean was one of my favorite songs of 2021, so it was cool to see y'all discuss it rhythmically here.
i like this new way of filming videos keep doing this
14:9 (or 1:14:9) has a dark, tense sort of sound that would work well for horror (sci-fi horror especially, I feel like), with the right context (try putting a comb filter over it). On the weirder side, 3:Pi is interesting, although it would probably be difficult (though still possible) to really use it in a musical context, especially given that I'm not sure how well a human could perform it.
Hey Adam, I'm so so curious since It's not exactly in your wheelhouse... would love to see analysis on the use of dissonance as the main compositional device in some "dissodeath" bands, namely Gorguts, Ulcerate, Pyrrhon, Flourishing, and Ad Nauseam. Maybe even Jute Gyte if you're willing to dive into the microtonal world.
If youre not already subscribed to Metal Music Theory's channel you should be
Mr.Crowder will always be one of my favorite drummers. He truly has his own voice and I love his grooves.
Dude I just started listening to you guys a lot.. saw stargazer in that one screenshot and my mind was blown.. subscribed
this is the best polyrhythm tier list I've seen in the past 72 hours
Is it the only one?
@@leonwaves as far as I know its the only one I've ever seen in my life
but the last 72 hours are a part of my life
That’s the premium content CZcams should be all about.
Wow!!! Thanks for the video!!! Guau!! Gracias por el video!!!! Excelentes explicaciones!!! Saludos.
glad to see Brotherly getting some love.
I'm amazed he can hear a polyrhythm he's not played before and just go "ok yeah"
Question for Adam and Shawn in a similar vein... how do people learn to play something with phasing, like Steve Reich's "Drumming"? It seems impossible to play at only a SLIGHTLY different tempo than other performers.
i think that depends on how your brain is wired. some people can actively listen to someone they're able to offset themselves from (via lots of practice) and others need to /not/ listen to their fellow performer to get the phasing right
I learned Drumming by ear, which is also how it was conceived. I found it was not as hard as it seemed, but of course requires practice. For me it was slightly more difficult to ”stay” than to ”phase”. A lot of fun to play, to be sure. And as for listening or not, I had to listen a lot to my phasing partner, or rather intently listen to the sum of our playing to the point where I sometimes was not sure which hands were making what sound.
@@ponsoroponsoro2431 Neat! Playing together but not knowing which of the sounds are yours sounds very trippy
@@wickethewok Trippy is correct, in the second part (marimbas and voices) a friend of mine kept hearing what he referred to as ”singing gnomes”.
czcams.com/video/Qg3otbM2vGg/video.html Here’s a rendition of Part 1 that we recorded. I’m not phasing, my excellent former colleagues are. The first phasing occurs between 1.30-2.17 and is very smooth and consistant if you ask me. The hardest part in this first phasing is imho to resist the temptation to ”snap” to the next beat too quickly after passing the middle (middle being where the beats fall perfectly in between each other).
wow this video is so much more interesting than i thought it would be 😂 shawn is craaazzyyy
My God! Shawn has those crazy polyrhythms in his back pocket.
Insane..Master
I can't believe you can just give this guy any numbers and he can play them without pausing to think. I'd cry trying to drum some of these weird ones.
Just nasty that Shawn can pull all of these off
That's his thing. He does polyrhythms for a living.
the video i didn't know i needed every single week.
That may be the best segue into an ad I've ever seen
I saw this video first in Nebula, which is a better platform for content creators than youtube. Great polyrhythms!
3:5 is in debussy's isle of joy, pretty dope there
🤣🤣🤣🤣 that last look!!! Bravo
The sound pannelling 👌🏻
99:100 polyrhythm actually makes me think of Sofi Needs A Ladder by Deadmau5. If you listen to the synth lead in the beginning you can hear it. It's probably not actually 99:100, but it sounds very similar and is actually a really cool intro.
holy shoot i havent actually listened to this before so thank you :O
me when incognito mode 5:45
I thought I was the only one lmfao
Sungazer Incorporated, I'd buy that! Great video.
I hope you do vids where we get a minute to listen to them musically for more than a bar
Que show cara. Obrigado Deus por esse canal. Que eu posso ser uma esponja para isso tudo.
21:37, also known as "JP2GMD polyrhythm" is actually a very well known one in traditional Polish music. It's named after Jan Paweł 2, famous Polish raper
Lmao
Lmao
*raPPer. The second P is very important.
aka JP2GMDMafia
@@InventorZahran I think the single p may have been intentional in this rappers case
I'd really like you and Rick to do another Collab video. You two are my favorite music channels to watch.
the coordinated "ay" for 6:9 and the staring at the camera at the end make this vid great
Shawn always blows me away with his ability.
Hmm… i never thought about this kind of music theory before, guess this is what makes the math rock genre?
These things make up the more proggy/jazz inspired side of the subgenre. Most straight ahead math rock simply cut or lengthen phrases to make them sound cool. Prog tends to sound sophisticated and cerebral whereas math rock tends to sound visceral and passionate imho
In other words, prog rock is like a classical or jazz musician dad making rock, whereas math rock is like a punk kid trying to emulate their dad with their little garage band.
Different genres use different polyrhythm/polymeters. 3:2 is used in classical all the time, as well as rock, metal and pop (carol of the bells). Same with 3:4 (Kashmir- led zeppelin).
I dont know of any pop or rock music that uses 5:3 i wouldnt put it past math rock or the djent-ers.
If im not mistaken Swarm by Meshuggah does a 6:9 thing (alongside other polymeters)
I know there are traditional African rhythms that utilize many that i havnt mentioned (7:3 for example)
The major hangup is that only the composers or theorist should prolly be thinkin about the ratios, for example 3:2
On paper usually is dotted quarter notes against quarter notes in 6/8, altho the ratio can be used many ways.
Adam, you're prob the best music youtuber of all time
Shawn is a phenomenal drummer
How does Shawn decide which part of the polyrythm to play where (hi hat, tom, ride etc.)? Is it an arbitrary choice, a choice based on the arrangement of a particular song, or are we supposed to feel one of the numbers as the 'foundation' - therefore played on bass drum?
Great video!
Yeah it doesn’t matter, they usually do two different parts so you can hear the different rhythms, but there is nothing stopping you from doing it on the same one.
For the most part its the subdivisions, far as Im aware. For example, you could split 9 into three parts of 2 and one of 3, and each subdivision can function as sort of an up or downbeat for that segment.
A fun part of this is that you can change the position of the 3 to have a different feel, so (2,2,2,3), (2,2,3,2), (2,3,2,2) or (3,2,2,2). You can also vary how you split the subdivisions, say, for 9 you could do three 3s or a 5 and a 4 and swap em around mid song. Sungazer does it in quite a few tracks
For the more common superparticular polyrhythms you often have the even number be the grid, and then you swing it by splitting the odd number in half the best you can (3:2 for a 5tuplet, 4:3 for a 7tuplet, etc) and treat each "half" equally
More complicated stuff its kinda... whatever the hell youre feeling
Short answer. He has played around with them and found a way to play it.
Don't get me wrong, he has practiced, but it's intuition/feel. The question "which hand do you start with" is very similar to yours and both those questions have the same answer.
Project JDM’s first name is actually Project, not Jairo
😂😂😂
This kinda made my head hurt, I love it
Do a q & a next pls, I’d love to see that, thanks 😊
Going to jazz school just for counting simultaneously in parties is the highest form of life
project jdm is indeed the one
Yes he is
Shawn has such an amazing skill when it comes to working with time signatures. I am not a percussionist, unless you count piano (I consider it a string instrument but ig it technically could be both), but there's something so cool and special about the drums. It's the backbone of the rythem and the fact that thus mf is like "oh yeah I can do that"
When my 10 years of music theory brain is like ".... HUH?!"
I think I'll start learning percussion because I feel like this is a skill that percussionist can more easily master.
Hell yes for the Brotherly reference. System is such a dope track and that whole One Sweet Life album is just fire the whole through....
The deal with the Jacob Collier 2:3:4:5:6 is that it's a slowed down major chord. Pretty neat stuff
You’d expect Adam to notice this
@@MarioAtheonio one can only hope
2:52 they dont know
that was great
The last 12 seconds are so good.
He can really play them just like that, huh... 👀
no, he's basically a polyrhythm geek. That's just what he does.
There are a few bits in Tool songs that I feel as 8/11. In reality it's something like every third 16th note accented over 2 bars, but it gives a strong 8/11 feel.
I notice this in Third Eye, Rosetta Stoned, and The Pot. There are probably other examples.
Yes, I also feel it like this in Third Eye.
7:20 this guy knows how to pick a good profile pic
Y’all make it look so easy.
Good list, but 99:100 is definitely D tier.
no one has watched this video entirely yet
The profound statement into the ad break was genuinely funny
5:20 This talk about 13/12 showcases my favorite use of complex polyrhythms, the phasing effect. The band Leprous uses this a lot.