Can this decade-old PC still game?
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- čas přidán 24. 06. 2024
- Cleaning, restoring and benchmarking a vintage 2012 gaming PC in a series of games from 2011 to 2015, plus some modern eSports titles.
Anyone buying a 2012-era PC should expect to have to put in at least a little time cleaning and refurbishing, but some are better than others. This £220 unit from UK-based used PC seller CEX (pronounced, er, “secks”) was a solid upper-midrange offering when it was new, and even in 2022 its X79 platform still has a lot of promise. That is, if I can find the socket under all this dust…
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S P E C S
Intel i7-3820 4 core 8 thread CPU
Gigabyte GA-X79-UD3 Socket 2011 motherboard
24GB DDR3-1333 (2x4GB Corsair Vengeance, 2x8GB Patriot)
120GB SATA SSD
1TB WD Black HDD
EVGA GTX 670 2GB SSC Graphics Card
Corsair TX650 80 Plus Bronze PSU
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Cooler
Cooler Master HAF 912 Case
00:00 The £220 Dirty CEX Machine
00:53 Buying used gaming PCs from CEX
01:37 Analysing the specs
02:05 Red flags when buying a used PC
03:03 Inspecting the PC
06:10 Restoration montage
08:53 The finished build
09:47 Work done & still to do
10:25 Gaming Benchmarks
10:29 Benchmarks: The Elder Scrolls: Skyrim (2011)
10:56 Benchmarks: Batman: Arkham City (2012)
11:28 Benchmarks: Tomb Raider (2013)
11:53 Benchmarks: Call of Duty: Advanced Warfare (2014)
12:24 Benchmarks: The Witcher III (2015)
13:01 Benchmarks: GTA V (2015)
13:28 Modern game fails
13:55 Benchmarks: Cyberpunk 2077
14:45 Benchmarks: Apex Legends
15:19 Benchmarks: Fortnite
16:06 Benchmarks: Valorant
16:55 Benchmarks: CS:GO
17:28 Benchmarks: Time Spy & Cinebench R23
17:30 Conclusion: How is a £1100 gaming PC from 2012 holding up in 2022?
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The production quality of this video is what you would’ve expected from a channel with 300k subs. You’ll get there one day mate, keep up the good work 💪
What? Oh dang i never looked at his sub count. Yes. He does deserve all the subs. The quality is there, and the content too, just need people to find him.
I watched one of his videos some time ago, and didn't sub, but got recommended these a lot more since. It's a good sign that the algorithm has noticed him.
He'll probably get that in a couple years, seeing how he grew pretty quickly. The sponsorships he's starting to get with PC manufacturers is definitely gonna help
Absolute banger soundtrack! Glad to see that I7 (Like my Xeon 1650 v2) still has some serious legs!
Yeah, honestly if not for the lack of AVX2 instructions it would still be a ideal platform imo
I really enjoyed the period accurate benchmarks and seeing about when it ran out of steam. It's also nice change of pace to see some hardware building rather than just strictly benchmarks
CORRECTIONS:
Valorant and CS:GO were both tested at 1080 High and 1080 Low respectively, as mentioned in the VO. The text on-screen is incorrect.
The Cyberpunk testing was done before patch 1.6. I’m seeing some atrocious numbers on legacy nVidia cards post-patch, so I dare say the GTX 670 probably does even worse now!
the numbers aren't much better on legacy Radeon either for 1.6, dunno what CDPR's playing at LOL
I love buying used pc's. And also why did it cost that much. You can buy a better pc in the us for custom
@@kparserpcs6699 I bought it in March 2022, still very much in the middle of the Scalper Pandemic, so it wasn't THAT bad a deal at the time. I figured that if the MB was a branded one it could be worth at least £100 on its own, and I could hopefully get a bunch of content around it too, so I didn't mind paying!
Andy's Tech says he just picked up a £220 PC from the same retailer with an i5 7600 and GTX 1060, which is a lot more like what I'd hope to pick up for that kind of price today.
@@IcebergTech oh ok
@@IcebergTech that's still a good price. It's got some strong bones and just needs a better GPU overall. There's still some restrictions since it's missing a few instruction sets that X99 CPUs came out with. X99 was such a strong advancement over the likes of X79 since it supported USB 3.0, had DDR4 support, and had AVX2 and FMA3 instruction sets. At least you got a branded board and not some Ali Express lemon.
You’re gonna be one of the biggest tech YTers someday at this rate, you’re an absolute beast and these videos are all VERY well produced 🤘
Keep up the great work good sir!
You deserve more subscribers for the content you upload, polished and informative clear and amusing I hope you get on the ladder for more subscribers etc.
I'd like to see what a GTX 970 would do in that setup as is.
I subscribed almost for a year and your channel is still awesome. Really good and entertaining content. Please Continue!
CM HAF912 was my dream pc case back when I was still in highschool. I still remember it looked so cool back then. Well, time flies so fast.
Quality video, man! I love your sense of humor as well 😄
Fun video! Looking forward to seeing the upgraded cex machine.
loved the cleaning montage. another great video !
Been watching your videos for about a week now, I legitimately thought you had a much bigger channel. Big fan! Keep up the hard work!
I love these videos man. Please keep at it, I will try and share around!
Amazing video i really enjoyed this one a lot 🔥
Welcome to my subs. Love the mentions to Tech Yes City and Greg Salazar. Awesome content and I'll be checking out more!
1:38 this man knows the prononciation of cex rather well
I’ve done a lot of online research
Great video, I’ve literally just brought a CEX pc for £220 🤣 what are the odds! We’ll see what we get but I know there’s an i5 7600 and 1060 6GB so fingers crossed the rest isn’t 🤬 that is if I even have time to make a video on it. I’m 3 weeks and 9 minutes into my next one and just no time at the moment. Look forward to the next one 🙏🏼
Definitely a better deal than mine!
That 1060gb alone is worth half your pc or more ahhahahahaha
Fun video. Makes for an interesting watch and makes me feel more confident in my decision to buy and X 79 workstation a few years ago which still mops the floor with other machines I have kicking around that are newer.
You should definitely consider E5-2667 V2, that's a locked variant of E5-1680 V2, but significantly cheaper. With 8 cores and up to 4 GHz boost clock it is one of the best upgrades for the X79 platform.
You can still overclock it using BCLK as I did with 2697 V2, they usually top out at around 110-115
I've just been tipped off that my variant of the X79-UD3 (rev 1.0) doesn't support Ivy Xeons, even with the latest BIOS. I've got an E5-2689 v1 lined up though, which should be fun!
@@IcebergTech The E model i7's from F16, but didn't get the EP Xeons
@@matthewday7565 Yeah, I've ended up ordering a different board for Xeon V1 & V2 testing.
For those looking for the music during the restoration montage is called Work in progress by Backing Track
fantastic decision to do the benchmarks in a timeline fashion, great to see a machine at the "start" of it's gaming career and then how it gets on over time. the 2GB VRAM for that GTX 670 really shortened the later life of the system, a 4GB GTX 960 or GTX 970 would have been a great late life upgrade to bridge into a newer system. good that it's been fixed up though than remaining in a scrap heap. i think if the user was more of an RTS/RPG type player or got into emulation it would still be very useful today, although maybe 360 emulation would be reaching a bit.
some kind of 6 or more core Xeon to pair with a 4GB or better VRAM GPU could really breath new life into the machine. imagine a 6 core 12 thread xeon, 24gb of decent memory with an XMP profile, and a used 980 or RX 480 or 590 to get it along the hump. even a RTX 2060 KO is unlikely to be bottlenecked.
I don't beleve it to be the vram kelper just runs in to "issues" with modern games. I have a 780 ti 2g,760 2g,670 2g,660 ti 3gb, 660 oem 1.5gb (same core config as 760 memory bus size of 660 ti 2gb without the slow .5g)
All are bios moded and run between 1200-1300 core and the most notable step is the 780 ti can do natve 1080 60 where the others can't quite reach it. Aside from kelper specfic issus like doom eternal. But I never really noticed running out of vram even on the 1.5g card before the fps was too low to care anyway. On a blind test aside from a few edge cases that I may not have encounterd. I doubt you could tell the difference between any of thoes cards except for the 780ti
Mind you my amd comparisons of r9 290's and 7950's are hevily biosmoded as well. And I think the vram timeing mods give them an edge in performance overall. They also supported async compute so naturally they just aged much better.
Second comment I also shoud point out that the 6 core/8 core 16xx xeons are unlocked on that platfourm although a local grab of a 6 core i7 may just be cheeper. And wirh the quad channel memory that platfourm can best 1st gen ryzen and as ypu said pair good up to a 1080 ti.
Also the 24 gb of memory thing is weird.
Juat like with the gtx 970. Cpus will run the first 16gb in quad channel then the exta in duel. Also its much better to go with mstching ics for the ram If overclocking.
@@andrewmcewan9145 Got my wife set up with X99. CPU is i7 5820k with 32gb DDR4 in quad channel. Runs like a champ. Despite the high TDP, my Fuma 2 cooler keeps it so nice and cool. It's on an RTX 3070 right now since it was leftover from a few builds I worked on. Definitely outperforms Zen Ryzen 5, and jn some cases, Zen+.
i'm subbed to salazar, but i never watch his videos because he's such a 20-something and it's tiring.
this cleaning montage was super awesome though. good music, good slowmos. didn't expect to enjoy so much.
That was some serious overkill on the cooling paste :D
Yes, hence the dramatic zooms 😄
I wasn’t expecting that music for the pc cleaning section lol. I stepped away for a sec to Che j my phone and this played in the background. Caught me off guard ngl 😂😂
Consume numbers in watts would be an usefull information to have and compare.
Keep the good work.
Soundtrack was killer on this video!
Love the coverage on older systems and how they fare today. I wonder if you can do the same with one 8-10 years earlier and benchmarks the games then
I'm still running an i7 3770 with gtx 980 I built in 2014, quite well balanced I think so throwing a cheap gtx 980 in there would be well worth it.
Loved thr Tech Yes City shoutout at the beginning. Brian is the man.
Nice video! Like the story from old AAA to modern AAA and then esports. I got my son a 670 in his second rig for high FPS fortnite + nvidia highlights (shame not supported on his original 7870).
4:21 I like the background music. It reminds me about Enjoy The Silence.
“Tech Yes Loving” …hahaha TechYesCity is the MAN!! He deserves more LOVE / COLLABS!!! GR8 MAN!!
If you can get a 1680 V2 in that machine it would kick serious ass. It's fully unlocked 8 cores/16 threads and can hit 4.2-4.4 ghz pretty easily. I used one for a few years with an Asrock X79 Extreme6 and it played all modern games just fine with a modern gpu
still rocking my HAF912 Advanced from 2010 love the case
I had HAF 922 and that case was huge. Now I have Antec NX200m mATX case and I like smaller cases better
I must say I hate it when online sites don't give those specific details on used PCs.
But, that also allows for the possibility of finding a deal.
I miss that era of PC cases.
Localised dust storm approaching.
Quality of the shots was epic, but i think we need more light to see the component inside the case more clearly inside the studio
this quality video is awsome
I don't mind it being dusty as long as it's not caked in grime or overpriced
My dimension 2400 is a curbside find used in pet sitting.
It was pissed on multiple times by dogs. To the utility sink it went. Its a good pc now.
Vintage and 2012 feel like they should never be used in the same sentence.
As its normally the motherboard rather than the CPU that goes with the x79 platform having a working motherboard is great. The i7-3960x that you reviewed earlier would make a great upgrade with an overclock.
For even more performance a bios update will probably allow you to put a i7-4960x on it, however as it's such an old system it's probably not worth dropping the extra money compared to a 3960x into the system for only about 10% performance.
GPU wise gtx 1070 is a nice pairing. I had a 1080 paired with my 3960x for a few years and it was a great 1080p gaming combo (mine was overclocked to 4.5ghz at one point).
Great video always entertaining. Hope you've had your shots after seeing the dust come out of that PC. Go full bling and give it a modern case with some RGB. I'm currently going the same to my 3960x system.
Great video!
When you test these old Intel PC's, do you have all the Spectre and Meltdown fixes/updates intact?
Also I stumbled across some weird optional driver updates in Windows Update.
Some have a date 1/1/1970 for example. Not sure if should install these.
Some seem to be needed to get bluetooth working for example. Driver that can't be found elsewhere, or manufacters site one doesn't work.
I actually used my PC with a 4770K every day until recently. I didn't feel the need to upgrade since I wasn't gaming much. The GTX 1060 6GB gifted by my friend more than extended its life for 5 years, and I only recently upgraded to a new build because 16GB was not enough. (Still using the 1060 though!)
I miss the CEX store I used to go to in Peterborough.
We all love the cex machine
I so can relate with Cex, bought manly off them in past manly memory storage and gpu's out of the 11 gpu's bought 5 have been dead on arrival but no issues with returning thought 24 month warrenty great. my current system was from cex r5 1500 bought a new gpu to replace one in it. bought a m.2 for faster booting. all in all some far been a great system. the dust tho oh the dust. i got my hoover out then a small paint brush and hoover again to finish up the cleaning. will upgrade my cpu from Cex in future as well. you need a good job with the system
..an air quality warning for the county should have been issued before you blow out that dinosaur..brings back some great memories..CM Haf case is still a legend..i have a CM storm enforcer..2012 or so..great airflow...thanks for the memories.
The CEX machine with a 1060 or rx 580 would bang so hard
15:17 ah yes the teammate asking for res and telling you are trash when the match ends because he died first, what a beautiful gamer moment.
I also just bought a CEX special, which was listed as a "Custom" I7 3820, 16gb Ram, SSD and HDD and a GTX 1080Ti, For £275. Turned out to be an Alienware Aurora R4 with a GPU Upgrade. games pretty well, with a 2 year warranty on it, cant complain :)
Cool, I saw that listing. Glad it worked out well for you!
I have the same case in my spare PC with a Phenom X6 and a GTX 660
What a great video!!! Love to see how far you could upgrade it. Maybe a more card, better speed ram and a CPU.
Do a upgrade to this build, so we can see the how good it could be with different parts while keeping costs down with potential resale of current components, would be nice to see a 780 or 970 with the 6 core extreme cpu, and whether that'd be worth it to upgrade to
Im not some big expert but I'd bet the upper limits of upgrades for a rig this old would be somewhere in the region of a 980ti GPU and whatever the best ddr3 compliant CPU is, still wouldn't be something advisable to buy now in 2023, but a reasonable budget dx12 compliant gaming machine until you've saved or built something more up to date, would be where something like this is at for sure
Do you by any chance have a link or a site you use to find this type of “junk”. I would love to also do these type of things
A GTX 1650 would be a nicely balanced GPU for that platform and would give that tired PSU a bit of a break.
if the 4790k is compatible with that mobo, I'd love to see how it performs - with a good cooler and decent OC! .....I have buddy who is still using that CPU at 4.2mhz on a hyper 212 cooler, and he is still happy out with it to this day!
It's not compatible due to it being a completely different socket. The 4790K was awesome in its day, but the enthusiast level stuff like X58, X79 and X99 were catering to a different market and were much more expensive back in the day. X299 was interesting, but the consumer grade stuff is much more marketable these days. If you want an example of enthusiast tier stuff for AMD, it's like comparing Ryzen to Threadripper.
I've used the e3 1240 v3 for a while with a 1060 6gb and it performs nicely
That 2 GB of VRAM is like putting a choke collar on that rig
I suppose it says a lot that I am running something very similar for my current rig!😆
CEX "Checks" to see if it works then sell the item on without cleaning. I saw a customer pick-up a ps4 controller. he asked the server for cleaning wipes a s it was proper grimey. That company also likes to get the item you're asking for and just hand it to you without even "checking". scratches on disks, dust/fluff on gpus etc etc etc
i would love to see you cover the ultimate 09 pc, a x5690, ati 5970, ssd all the bells and whistles, heck im building one with those rn lol, its gonna run vista and xp with a eax card, just saying not alot of people have covered that combo lol
yeah i get why they'd sell.
i have a friend who was using a 2500k and a rx 480, 16 gbs of ddr3 ram. i was thinking that it could handle modern games on low settins at least, but some games wouldnt even start up or there were constant frame drops, so he got an upgrade
Please can you tell me what blower you are using to clean the pc, really need one
What music tracks did you use in tjis video? I clicked the link but it doesn't seem to be working
Im not some big expert but I'd bet the upper limits of upgrades for a rig this old would be somewhere in the region of a 980ti GPU and whatever the best ddr3 compliant CPU is, still wouldn't be something advisable to buy now in 2023, but a reasonable budget dx12 compliant gaming machine until you've saved or built something more up to date, would be where something like this is at for sure
Sad seeing that EVGA logo now.
No way I found this video. I got a i7-2700k in a military grade mother board in a cool master case for 60 bucks at a thrift store
Never ever dust a pc without holding the fans. If they spin freely and fast enough, they can damage other components due to the electricity generating from the spin
Can you give me a Link to the video you tank about at 17:55 shoing what I think is the "Kolink Satellite"?
Ugh, why would you want to watch my old videos… oh go on then, if you must.
czcams.com/video/nqsq3gnhQdg/video.html
@@IcebergTech Thanx :)
10:47 LMAO, this must be intentional...
upgrade it to a xeon and a 980ti? and putting it into a better case would be nice too
Try the first gen Ryzen ma man. Pair it with ur collection of GCN4/Maxwell cards. Do a released time pairing, such as 2016 parts or 2018 parts best combo/pairing - might be interesting.
Yeah, I was thinking some “best PC of 20xx” ideas. Will have to see how this one performs!
dude even during the pandemic wen people were screaming can i haz free 3090 I was finding working computer thrown out on the side of the road
WHat's the program that has this OSD? Aida?
had an allergic reaction from watching this video . 10/10
That's very impressive for a 670 with 2gb, I could hold-up with my rx580 8gb for 5 or more years lol
when making my first build this year i bought what they showed as a 1070 fe but instead i received a zotac mini instead
I had a Zotac Mini 1070 back in the day! It suffered from a crapload of coil whine, as I recall.
@@IcebergTech yes very true sir, for my my desk has bowed a bit and cos my pc is on a slight slant, it does tend to make some noise
i wouldnt say the ram was in the wrong slots. there are 4 channels, so each channel had its own ram stick. if it was a 2 channel board then yes, but here it does not matter
the only upgrade i would do is the gpu, i still have an even older i7 in my pc
what is the revision on the motherboard. if is 1.0 it wont support v2 Xeons. but it will if its a 1.1.
Thanks for the warning! It's a 1.0, so I guess I'm "stuck" with the 4960x...
@@IcebergTech i have the same mobo with a e5 1650 v1 at 4.4ght. it can push a rx 5700xt to the max. its a grate chip for $12. the only thing is cooling. the e5 1650 can pull down like 180 watts at full tilt when overclocked. the i7 4930k would have lower power draw for the kind of performance.
Cex are so inconsistent on price I got a
Intel g4400
Gtx 670
1tb hd
500gb ssd
In a gigabyte z170 motherboard
And a 750w Silverstone 80+ platinum moduler psu
16gb corsair platinum ddr4 ram for £70
And it came in one of the coolermaster HAF stack cases
I stuck a i5 6600k in it and sold the whole pc for £250
Iv just seen an i7 4770k system with a gtx 580 in it for £145 I might get it when my money goes in tonight normally the i7 systems are ex high end stuff have nice cases and the best motherboards and power supply's I bet when it turns up it's going to be a beast
Can't believe your production value is this good while being a small channel. Also recommend NOT showing you applying thermal paste, commenters are very picky and vocal about it.
I actually did that on purpose, hence the over-dramatic editing on the application. Bring it on, I can take it! 😎
So I have this i7-6700k, 16GB RAM, 512 GB SATA-SSD, EVGA GTX980 rig. What could I ask for it?
nowadays? probably $500-600
@@swuspicious Fair enough, I thought it was way less. Was even considering donating it to welfare.
@@andreasu.3546 to be fair its a full rig so you shouldnt undervalue it a whole lot
what's the song name?
Hey man, your benchmark for CS:GO and Valorant is not correct you're saying it's on 1080p video but it says 720p on your video please fix it.
Damn. Thanks for pointing that out. Alas, I can't fix it- YT doesn't allow for editing uploaded videos- but I've amended the pinned comment.
play restoration montage at 1,5x n its a score like astral projection or infected mushroom would produce
how the hell did you get cyberpunk working without dx12..
try a x79 platform
Did I just hear CPU reviews? Lets goooo
Well, I got a sweet X79 motherboard out of this PC, plus another great deal on a Sabertooth Z77. It would be rude not to!
CEX machine is the best machine
I actually like a little bit of dirty on my used computers . It’s satisfying when it goes from dust bag to beauty. Some advice if you encounter lots of dog fur don’t wash with soap and water . It will smell like a wet dog
Dude my 2070S has at max like 8 screws
RIP EVGA 😢
i feel,,, warp stabilizer,,,
E5 1650v2 and gtx 970 sli
if you're still wondering why this guy hasn't got 1 million subs its cuz you didn't subscribe .
Nice thumbnail
"Can this decade-old PC still game" The PC yes! That graphics card, NO!