Remember Charlie
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- čas přidán 12. 07. 2018
- A powerful scene from The West Wing, in which the U.S. president, his staff and the District of Columbia’s mayor are debating whether to enact a pilot school voucher program in D.C. Courtesy of EdChoice.
The mayor got so fed up he quit, went to medical school and ended up as chief at a Seattle hospital.
rockit730 the mayor of Washington DC who is asking for charter school funding.
@@pac401 Actually he got killed by Samuel Jackson for not paying his money when he got out of prison.
@@JJ-yx6jy Ha ha ha!! Good one!
He was never in Grays Anatomy, was he?
But before he was mayor, he was a Director at the FBI investigating Mulder and Scully.
"Can't say that I was, sir" - of course he wasn't; Charlie always kept his opinions to himself and would never presume to talk to the President about anything unless he was asked. Pure class.
Yes, indeed.
I always loved the dynamic between the President and Charlie but I was even more touched when I read that Dulé considers him a surrogate father and likened working with Sheen on 'TWW' to going to acting college.
That's not class, that's white written subservience.
@James Jones I'm not 'dragging ' race into it. I'm putting it front and centre.And if you think that you respect someone because of their position,then you are lacking in self respect.
@James Jones Thou shalt not worship false idols.
To respect a presidebt because of the position has as much intellectual credibility as a child believing Santa Claus is real.
@James Jones Too bad trump was incapable of respecting the office of the President. Then again, humility didn't exist in his dictionary of the "best words".
"I assume I'm the only one in this room who actually WENT to public school." Ouch.
proof again how much Bartlett loves, trust and respects Charlie. Not only a father and son relationship, but its balances and give Jed insights on other life experiences he has never have to face. just love the relationship between the two.
I like that proud look the mayor gave Charlie at the end, like "congrats son you just changed public policy"
You know what gets me about this clip? "They didn't even have metal detectors."
I think my favorite part of this entire clip is how Bartlet always referred to the mayor as "your honor". Even as POTUS, he still takes the time to respect the office of which he was appointed. Never belittling him for being just a mayor, and using the power of the presidency to project superiority.
I like your comment but the Mayor of Washington D.C. is ELECTED and has been since 1968 IIRC.
Is the mayor of DC an appointed position, or an elected one?
@@paulcolburn3855 It is an elected position.
@@HvyMetal4Ever that is what I thought
The Office of the Presidency is one of the highest honors that a public servant could achieve. They should always give others the respect and humility that they deserve.
Bartlets respect for Charlie was incredible.
Same with the pragmatism. That it might cause some uproar for him and not be his preferred solution, but he was convinced that it was the right thing to do to get some gets a better education.
@@WWFanatic0, I can relate. I taught high school in the inner cities for almost three years. And I'm not wild about vouchers either, but the idea of creating them WITHOUT diverting money from other public education funds...appeals to me. The US has one of the weakest public education systems in the industrialized world. The children deserve every opportunity we can afford them.
But I submit that we select carefully which students get those vouchers. We need to do the greatest good for the greatest number. The kids that are functioning adequately in the public education system aren't the ones who need them most. We need to find the kids whose efficiency improves as a result of the transition, and if we grant them an opportunity that they don't put to good use, then it should go to kids who will.
One of the big pieces I love about this scene is how Bartlet makes the decision to support someone else's opinion on something even though he disagrees with it. He can see the potential consequences both politically and for the students but he makes a decision to trust other people in spite of his fear. That's a hugely important thing that seems missing from both our politics and our public discourse
I don't think he did disagree with it. I think he's towing the party line, even when the party line has failed and is outdated. Much to learn from this.
@@papasquat355 oh no. He disagrees with it. Yet is willing to do this because he understands the implications AND he has huge respect for this mayor. He’s still a champion of public education
No risk to Jed B. If it pans out he was the brave president taking action to help some students after consulting with the mayor. If it turns to shit he can crow " we tried, I had misgivings but the mayor insisted he needed this. "
See he can take the win if it succeeds and blame the mayor and Republicans for the failure.
Although interestingly, and I agree with you, it turned out that Bartlet was wrong, the school voucher program even according to a study the proponents of it funded themselves by the Rand Corporation found that charter schools have been a disastrous failure. Their own study, conducted by an organization who is more likely to be sympathetic to their point of view found it to be a failure over a decade.
@@Nekulturny to quote Bartlett, I find fault with that reasoning. Just because one attempt failed, it doesn't mean the idea is bad. That's the problem with our political thinking today. Too binary. Two years into his term the argument for Biden is the smashing success of his policies, it's that as bas as it is, it beats the alternative, as if there are no other choices. We all need to demand more and if one thing fails, we need to be willing to adapt, to modify or to try something completely new. Unfortunately, until the populace stops accepting the status quo, that's all we will get.
When you're making decisions that affect the lives of people, you should have some of the people you're affecting in the same room you're making those decisions.
"Where'd you wanna go to school Charlie?"
I love that line so much because of the immediate shift in power dynamics it causes. In a split second the mayor shows he knows more about Charlie's background and upbringing than Bartlet does. As much as Bartlet is a good man and loves Charlie, and wants to help others, there's so much he doesn't understand because of his privilege.
The privilege of class is often far greater than I or many other americans could know. I live in a state that has a considerably smaller wealth gap and it shows. There's less crime, less civil unrest. While wealth gaps are not the cause of these issues they can be indicators. I wish more people thought on how we could help impact these disparities rather than the disparities themselves.
In my opinion the best Charlie quote would be "No, I'd want to do it myself." when Bartlet asked him if he'd want his mother's murderer executed.
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Well said and very insightful!
@@scorpion1429 All true. Well said!
Why this incessant belief that privilege has so much to do with such things?? In this fictional example it's a lack of experience on Bartlet's part. Wouldn't it be "privilege" on Charlie's part because Charlie knows more about life in D.C. than Bartlet? Same logic yes? This notion of privilege being somehow wrong is absurd...and hypocritical. Any of us will give our children the best we can and in most cases try not to spoil them or ruin them as caring human beings. Abusing a position of power would be wrong but there is nothing wrong in a valid advance due to good fortunes in life. We would ALL do so for our children. Does anyone here really believe Snoop Dogg isn't doing exactly that? He succeeded in his businesses and is giving that advantage to his own kids. Apparently very well.
I grew up right outside of DC and I knew kids who went to Gonzaga high school. Idk what the tuition was then but now including tuition, registration deposit, application fee, and approximate cost of books per year, Gonzaga cost just under $26,500. And that doesn't include food or transportation. The average medium income for a black family in DC is $48,652 according to Census Data and Charlie's mother was a cop and he has a little sister. So when he says he couldn't get close he was not joking.
Dang. That's twice what they say they spend on pupils on average in DC. That's more than I spent in three years of my undergraduate education at UTSA, that was a very good school for me.
@@theoutlook55 Gonzaga isn't a parochial school. It's a private prep school that just so happens to be Catholic affiliated (run by Jesuits).
Parochial schools (i.e., supported by parishes) are limited to the elementary grades. High schools are "diocesan" (supported, in part, by the entire diocese), and in DC their tuition averages more in the range of $5-8 K per year. Still very high, but at least it's within dreaming distance. (Well, of middle-class families.) (Maybe upper-middle class.)
And admittedly, none of this takes away from the power of the scene.
@@Saffetree thanks
That's a frickin college education, jesus....
Yep. Infuriating. So cruelly unfair.
The mastery of this is explaining a tough issue is a credit to the writers and the actors and the scene.
This is the kind of leader every country needs… one who’s prepared to listen to others, and change their mind based on the evidence, not the views of a political party.
Thank you for uploading this! There's a scene a little earlier in the episode when two of the senior staff say they've invited the DC mayor over and Charlie says something like "it's about time." I loved that as much as this one. It showed how much the people who come to DC temporarily to work in Federal positions of power take the real DC residents for granted.
Want to solve DC's problem?
Make it residents exempt from paying federal income taxes. Property values would go through the roof. Abolish any DC income tax. Sin and gas taxes along with gradual increase in property taxes. Higher property values easier to get private money to fund renewal.
@@icu8128 No taxation without representation.
Forgive my ignorance but…wasn’t the city literally created for that purpose?
Air conditioning ruined it, as it made DC habitable rather than the malarial swamp that it was.
@@TPRM1 Yes. It was designed to be a federal city. And, especially at the time it was created, that was a logical way to move. The federal government needed its independence from state governments because the entire idea of a federal government was novel and could have failed just as easily as it succeeded. But we're also 200+ years on from that moment, and DC has more residents than both Wyoming and Vermont, and about as many residents as Alaska and Delaware. Residents of DC have no representation in Congress, but are not only subject to federal laws like any Americans, but also have to deal with Congress interfering in the running of their city.
Something must be done. But there is zero chance that DC ever becomes a state. That would add two almost certain Democratic seats to the Senate, and over the Republicans dead body will they allow that. Perhaps the simplest idea is to give DC a representative in Congress, either on its own or as part of the Maryland delegation. But again, that puts one more solid blue seat in the House, and Republicans have no interest in letting that happen. (And before anyone says anything, yes, if the situation was reversed and we were talking about solid red seats, Democrats wouldn't let it happen, either.)
DC is a political football, and until we have enough people in government, regardless of party, who believe that people should actually be represented, nothing will change. You can apply this exact scenario to Puerto Rico, too, because it's essentially in the exact same position.
Charlie and Fitzwallace are my favorite characters
Big fan of Charlie in this show.
Vouchers for private schools is taxation without representation. I don't have any say in how they're run and neither does anyone I can vote for. Besides the comparison between them is unfair. Private schools reject all the troublesome candidates. Public schools accept whoever shows up and whatever baggage they bring with them. Imagine being in the small number of students that private schools won't take even with vouchers. Do we really want to do that to any kid?
This programme was blessed with some amazing characters!
Another one of many single episode story lines that both makes my heart swell while trying not to weep. This is the type of governing we need...the ability to see hope in something you may not agree with, but can see how it might change things for the better.
I had to watch this twice. I shed a tear listening to not only a man stand up to power to do the right thing but a black man represent himself with dignity
What I LOVE about this scene is Bartlett having an open mind on this.
A closed-minded politician is a USELESS politician.
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There is a saying that touches on this.
“If you clench your fist, nobody can put anything in your hand. If you close your mind, nobody can give you ideas.”
@@downhomesunset Good one.
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What I remember is the finest writing of the best TV series I've seen in my 70 years of both watching and working in television.
Really like the way you added the additional info for context - well positioned to be useful without being obtrusive: nice work ❤
I'm normally never on the same side as Washington, D.C.'s mayors, but I have to agree with this one.
Preach!
Charlie had a lot of fine moments in the West Wing, but he would probably regard this as his finest.
"THIS is White House Press Secretary CJ Cregg, if she wasn't she'll still be Ms Cregg, I don't mind you disrespecting people, I DO mind you doing out loud! You wanna go to jail, sell drugs and kill cops, fine, but I don't think you got the size for it, so you gotta find something else to do..... Saturdays at nine I go to Cosmos for breakfast, then I come here to catch up on work and shoot some ball..... You can go to Juvie or you can be at Cosmos Saturday at nine, its entirely your choice!"
I did that from memory of a scene I last saw years ago. Powerful stuff.
Also when he attacks a black guy for calling CJ a Bitch
@@bangmachiv that was the same post.
Thank you for sharing.
When your ship is sinking, you get on any boat you can find.
This is the best show ever!
I love this scene - the President realized that the ideals he was supporting might not be perfect. Instead of shooting the messenger, he went to the closest person he knew was informed, and would tell him the truth if asked. Then listened to what they had to say. Can we please elect the script writers of this show to run the country?
_"the President realized that the ideals he was supporting might not be perfect."_
Ignoring the fact that pretty much nothing is, or ever could be, perfect - who says that the _ideals_ are flawed, or even worse than what he agreed to? It's not the _ideals_ that are shitty, it's the political reality of too many people preventing any major shift towards those ideals.
Compare it to the ideal of peace. Can we all agree that peace is prefereble to war? There simply are too many assh*les who make wars unavoidable. The _ideal_ of peace is good, but the _political reality_ is that peace isn't always an option.
Same here - good, well-funded, free education for everyone is the ideal - but the political reality is that too many people are too privileged, too egotistical and manipulative, or simply too stupid, to see the many problems of not funding that at the _relatively_ high cost that it has.
@@Wolf-ln1ml if education produces smarter children and thus young adults I am all for paying that higher price. The problem is now we need to remove the vast majority of the teachers and replace them before any real reform of education can be achieved. If taxpayer dollars are to be used for education, the educators need to be informed and held to the standard that their personal opinions are not warranted or welcomed in schools. Teach the program and leave the personal idealogy at home. If they can not do that, they have no business in a classroom. That is the biggest hurdle to education reform today.
@@JPF941 Yeah, there's a scene in another episode where Sam explains his actual stance on education, that it should be a very well paid and respected job that only the best could get into... With regads to education, *_that_* would be that "ideal" I was talking about above...
And pretty much all paid for by taxes so that one's parents' income/wealth would have zero effect on what kind of _public_ education one could get... There's always _some_ private stuff like other educational material that somone's parents will get for their child, but that others couldn't afford, at least not in the same quantity; plus of course museum/library visits, travels, ..., plus the time and education a parent can invest into their child... But could we at least get the _public_ education to a good level for _everyone?_
Oh, that final wink! How I miss this show!!
i gotta watch the west wing again!
One of my favourite moments in TWW
Of course nothing will top 'Calling the butterball Hotline' scene
One of my favourite bits? When Bartlet confidently boasts that Charlie went to public school, and Charlie's "welp-this-is-gonna-suck" response of "... Yeeesss, sir."
Also, how the Mayor clearly and quietly resents Josh and Bartlet's slightly and unconsciously condescending attitudes towards him.
@@noahbrown6970 The 'slightly' part is an admittedly debatable bit of understating, but Bartlet's elitism is what MAKES it unconscious -- Bartlet places a premium on intelligence and enjoys showing it off but does so in ways that come across as patronising without him necessarily realising, because to him that's just how intelligent people converse. In the scene, Bartlet THINKS he's just engaging an opponent in debate and trying to change his mind, not realising he's ACTUALLY coming across as incredibly patronising without necessarily meaning to. I doubt he consciously wants to make the Mayor feel talked down to -- in his mind he just wants to convince the Mayor not to make what he feels is a mistake -- but his own privilege and intelligence unwittingly makes him come across that way. It's what makes Bartlet likeable despite his more elitist tendencies; there's clearly no malicious or deliberately condescending intent to him in this scene, and he redeems himself by proving himself willing to change his mind when sufficiently convinced that the other side's point actually has merit.
Also, while 'slight and unconscious' might be debatable in Bartlet's case, it's unquestionably fair in Josh's. Josh thinks he's just a White House aide respectfully talking to a local political figure, but is actually basically ordering him around without fully realising what that might look like to the (Black) mayor of a large metropolitan area.
@@noahbrown6970 No worries! I do that all the time. The curse of online communication. :D
Nicely put. It’s all very subtle but it’s real.
Season 4 of The Wire ties into this nicely.
The amount of money we, the tax payer, provides for education since the clinton admin has tripled. And yet during the years that have followed the ranking of American students compared with the ranking of students worldwide has never fluctuated more than three basis points. When I graduated high school, the national reading comprehension level was at the ninth grade reading level, at the present moment it’s somewhere around the fifth grade level. This country is not the educational success story that it would like you to believe it is.
You would think in America, we would place more importance on our citizenship education. Our political leaders have failed the Citizenship of America.
lol. We have an entire party dedicated to keeping most Americans as dumb as possible. Republicans want rich kids to get a nice, conservative education, and everyone else can literally gamble on whether they learn anything amid the active shooter drills. And then we have the Democrats, who just cannot get out of their own way and allow the GOP to retain power and influence despite a majority of Americans consistently showing they are opposed to the Republican agenda.
Education is the silver bullet. Investing in education would have a direct and dramatic effect on so many other things -- crime being at the top of the list. But Republicans don't want that to happen because half of their message is trying to scare rural voters into believing that crime in this country is terrible and that the only thing keeping them from being raped and murdered at night by the liberal, socialist, communist, woke Democrats are the gun-toting, God-fearing, America-loving Republicans. It behooves Republicans to keep crime and poverty rates high because as those things encroach on the majority white areas of the country, they can use that fear of change to keep themselves in power. It's a strong political strategy, but it's also what keeps us from making progress on pretty much anything.
Look at the current border situation. Rather than do their jobs, Republicans are actively blocking any type of legislation to fix anything at the border because they know if they do that and the situation there calms down even a little bit, it'll hurt their chances to win in November.
"ask anyone in one of my schools" A real leader right there.
this is how politics should be done , you govern in the best interests of everybody and if that means diverting from party policy so be it . Furthermore it should be the case that an opposing idea can be heard , agreed with and ones mind changed without riots , name calling , petty revenge .
"They didn't even have metal detectors".
HUH!
America is a messed up place. I have never even SEEN a school with metal detectors. There are a handful in London that use them to cut down on knife crime.
There hasn't been a school shooting in the UK for over twenty years.
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A combination of our police service facing cut after cut, and massive inequality in London pushing up crime and gang activity.
Oslo and Copenhagen are in Norway and Sweden, two of the most socialist countries in the world, and their spending on crime and the police reflect this.
They also have one of the best education systems in the world, which reduces youth membership of gangs, and so cuts down on youth knife crime.
Weird what happens when you have actual gun control.
@Jay Blair Because Bradford is a post-industrial area which has suffered massive unemployment since the decline of the textile industry in the mid-20th Century; while York is a service based economy, and has more than five times as many university students per head, who are by definition well education and who bring in money from other parts of the country?
@@benlowe1701 FYI Copenhagen is in Denmark.
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Yes its congress runs the city that's their job. If mayor has a problem he shouldn't be mayor. We need to start appointing mayor instead of electing mayor in D.C.
another case for DC statehood. municipal taxes are paid by the residents of DC. they elect their own Mayor and City Council, but, Congress decides how that money is spent. total b.s.
DC was never meant to have residents, then somebody had to go and invent air conditioning.
Not in favor of DC statehood, but I am in favor of placing it into the state of Maryland. The population would get representative(s) for the house, and certainly at least one Maryland senator would come from DC.
@@stevepowell6503 the point of making the D.C in the first place was so that no state held the capital within it's borders. I do not want D.C. to become a state for that reason, but congressional and president control of their budget needs to end. That said, there is so much more that needs to be done to balance the District's prosperity, inside the beltway is not bad, outside it is. There is no way a hamstrung city leadership can lessen that when they have to ask congress first.
@@JPF941 I agree with that. DC is, in many ways, a train wreck of a city. The people at least deserve to have the means (control of the budget) to try to fix their problems.
@@stevepowell6503 I live in Maryland, No thanks
When schools are actually well funded, safe environments for all kids, ALL kids to learn then vouchers are off the table. And maybe not even then.
Charlie was my favorite.
Problem with vouchers is that they don’t cover enough of the cost. They just lower the cost of tuition for the kids whose parents could already afford private school.
My favorite thing about this scene was that he called them out, on them telling him about public schools when he was the only of them to attend public school.
Calling them out on what, though? The idea still is to improve public schools to a point where there is such a small difference to private ones that for the vast majority of people, it won't even be worth the cost of the private ones. In effect, it'd force the private ones to specialize on specific fields _and_ become significantly cheaper - at least that's how it is here in Germany where we do have pretty good public education (close to stellar in comparison to the average in the USA as far as I can tell), and still some private ones that offer more focussed highschool-level education on math, medicine, various sciences, art, ...
Mans so passionate about education he opened a teaching hospital.
One of my favorite scenes
Son of a public school teacher (Dad worked in the city, but we lived in the county). Went to public schools and State Universities.
I'll die on the hill with the Bartlett position.
He thanks the President, but he doesn't thank Charlie, whose words tipped the scales.
He gave him a wink. That's all that scene needed to me.
I renenber Baker... Billy Joel in Goodnight Saigon...
Lesson for President Bartley-before you take out your secret weapon make sure he’s on your side
I think you missed the point, entirely. Bartlet wasn't bringing Charlie in to say "I told you so." He was bringing Charlie in because he knew Charlie had a key piece of information that he needed to hear. Bartlet trusted Charlie entirely, and knew that Charlie would tell him the truth even if it didn't align with Bartlet's policy stance. And as soon as heard Charlie say what he did, he made the decision to follow Charlie's lead.
The bad news is nowadays most of those private schools where vouchers are being used are for religious private schools.
While the Mayor of DC makes a good point about private schools being far better than public schools, he also brings up that DC spends more money per student than any other state in the USA. Yes the voucher will probably help a few hundred or so students every year but there is a far bigger problem that Barlet doesn't even discuss. Why are lots of students in DC public schools not going well or are not getting the resources they need when DC is spending so money on them and their schools? Is the level of poverty in DC really that bad? If, it's somethe USA should be ashamed of.
the man who would be richard weber
Peter Kaydee Matthews he was also chuck in Roseanne for many years
Thank you! I knew he was in another show I rewatch regularly but I COULDN'T for the life of me remember what it was
In the real world, the vast majority of voucher money goes to wealthy families who were already attending private school.
"kids didn't bring guns to school in my day" yes... they literally had shooting class in school, and high school students had riffles in their trucks during hunting season. some still do.
it's called leadership.
I don't understand why public funding goes to private school for any reason. If you want your kids in private school, then it should come out of your pocket.
This is a fantastic example of how govt screws up the very basic fundamentals of trying to make a difference. It's not about education.
Even good men have blind spots. Charlie just exposed Bartlett’s.
Well yeah. Bartlett grew up the son of a headmaster in a high-class prep school. He has no experience what public school is like, especially for those that are very poor.
It's 2022 and look how poor our public educational system is. We have teacher shortages, guns in schools..very much like what this episode was talking about. The rich get to go to private schools and the poor get a less quality education. We rank low in science and math amongst industrialized nations. It's a travesty actually.
Here's the thing that really bugs me about politicians: They're always so eager to pass judgment on everyone else, even though they represent (background-wise) only a small percentage of the people. Congress is full to the brim with lawyers...where are all of the teachers and plumbers and engineers? If even ten percent of the people in Congress had an engineering background our infrastructure wouldn't be in the shape that it's in.
Almost all the Democrats are lawyers. The rate among Republicans is much lower.
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Acting/entertainer 0 Aeronautics 2 Agriculture 20 Business or banking 101 Clergy 2 Congressional aide 27 Education 18 Engineering 6 Journalism 8 Labor leader 7 Law 45 Law enforcement 5 Medicine 17 Military 11 Professional sports 3 Public service/politics 67 Real estate 23 Veteran 53 New Occupations
Artistic/Creative 2 Healthcare 6 Homemaker/Domestic 2 Science 2 Secreterial/Clerical 2 Technical/Trade 4 Miscellaneous 1
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@@jacobtebbe4435 thank you for that. Very interesting information.
In other words, we don't have good people with interests of the country truly at heart because We the People are to corrupt to be able to find and place into office 436 out of some 300 million who similarly have good of the country truly at heart.
We don't have a problem of corruption in government so much as general lack of character in the populace.
If public schools were competitive, the unionized employees wouldn't fear vouchers. That they do should tell you all you need to know about vouchers.
That’s just so typical. Defend your ideology by claiming a link with something else you hate. Americans try to control and politicise education beyond any other anglophone nation, and that’s really saying something
Great scene, imo.
Public schools are absolute garbage compared to private schools.
Anyone who says otherwise has no idea what they are talking about.
And yes, I went to both.
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Unfortunately for anyone simping for the ending of this scene, Bartlet is completely correct here. Public education is extremely important and the school voucher/ school choice program would help dismantle it and brings us back to a time of segregation. Public School should be improved with funding and management, we shouldn't just prop up Private or charter schools
Absolutely. But the mayor’s situation is unique.
Maybe so but you can research how segregation is already happening at colleges and has happened in some public schools and not by the hands of white students or administration or teachers but black students and faculty and teachers. The left cannot have it both ways and not a statement for all public education but I believe in vouchers because it should not fall upon our student's shoulders and lives to have to go to schools where the unions have enough legal clout to stand up for ineffective, immoral, and ignorant employees they refer to as teachers.
How important?
Important enough to actually fire bad teachers?
To cut overblown administration and put the money into the classrooms?
To use actual discipline to get repeatedly disruptive students out of the classroom with the kids who WANT to learn?
Without years long-legal battles over every issue?
Didn't think so.
for everywhere else in the US besides DC, the issue is the local leadership and administration at the schools. we pay more than ever for our children's education and the decisions about how that money is spent are being made by incompetent people. kids having to attend class in portable buildings, meanwhile we can build a $70,000,000 football stadium for a high school team to play sports. the growth of admin expenditures in our school systems is disproportionate to the growth of students. this video clip also highlights how the democrats are enslaved by the teachers' union and we saw that this past year in the current administration regarding school health decisions.
As a conservative and social liberal who left the Republicans party many decades ago I feel my comments are warranted. I am also California K12 public school teacher who left America because I could not teach the way needed. I went to Japan and built a private international school so I could teach my three sons directly. They are now artists, musicians, and national honor society scholars perusing their dreams. I believe in public education. I also believe in vouchers and parent choice more.
Public’s schools should have many paths. Not one path. All students are different. There are good teachers in public education. The majority are not. They have tenure and are not required to change with the times. The greatest hurdle is the administration and the bureaucracy. Why so many good teachers quit. Why I left the country. I return now to help privately.
There needs to be a balance and a plurality of ideas, willingness to try and fail, focus on how to learn not what to learn.
Thank you for the piece.
A willingness to listen to the youth.
To change.
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Very well said 🥰
Help some kids get better education so they can go through law, business or the like. End up as president, chairman, prime minister, whatever in your own country and the bullshit can keep going round for another generation.
It should have been long time past to give up on public schools. Teacher Unions are a cancer on public schools.
Teacher's Unions aren't the problem.
Politicians treating school budgets as political piñatas and school boards mismanagement of resources is a problem.
Michigan had a district that ran out of payroll before the end of the school & wanted teachers to teach for free.
[Teacher contracts are paying for 10 months work over a 12 month payment plan.]
So when the payroll checks were MIA in April... the teachers were gearing up for a strike because "their landlords expect rent checks... teachers need their paychecks."
It wasn't covered a tenth as much as Flint's water crisis... and I don't remember reading what the school board did with the "deferred money" that the $$$ earmarked for payroll was "not there".
There's shady practices in education... especially when $$ is involved.
I always told my two kids..."Never let a teacher get in the way of your education."
so spend more money, when ur spending much more for less. why is this not the question over vouchers
Because vouchers and private schools are not necessarily the answer.
Private schools can be just as bad as public schools and in one city almost half the voucher schools were worse than the public school system despite the fact that the public schools had their funding cut to pay for the voucher schools.
Just look at the for profit schools like Evergreen, compared to the public colleges the public colleges cost less and supported their graduates better with more of the public college grads finding work in the fields they studied.
Did they not think about private schools until Charlie said they are good. I love this show, but doesn't this show the problem with politics. We want public schools because we're Democrats, not for the pros and cons of public schools but we're Democrats and the republicans don't like public schools.
So, they pay more per student than almost anywhere in the US and have little show for it. Same as the junior high I went to (I've never been to juvie, but I always assumed it was something like that craphole, which decades later is a toilet of education and considered one of the worst schools in the state). That was a horrible school but they spent more per kid there than any other school in the county. Clearly, throwing money at the situation doesn't accomplish results. SO, one has to then ask why is that? That's the question nobody seems to ask. Having gone to a truly bargain-basement school system myself, I've always wondered that
Which episode is this?
Full Disclosure. Season 5, Episode 15.
They don't make shows like this anymore
Man those were the days when a politician could be turned around on an issue by nothing more than a convincing argument backed up by these things once known as facts.
lol! yip the chief
Tuition vouchers are one of the greatest things we can do for education in America.
RICHARDDDDD
Let’s all stop and consider the deep, gnawing insult to the mayor of asking the assistant to come in and make a decision regarding how the city is run. Bartlet really is out of touch.
Bartlett didn't create that situation... he inherited it.
D.C. has been shortchanged and micromanaged by the federal government since its creation.
Every mayor of DC has the built in problem this mayor is facing.
Dr Webber does Dr Bailey know that you left Grey Sloan Memorial to visit the White House? Is she okay with that? Just checking!!
What?? When did that happen???
Bartlett was right, vouchers wound up draining our schools.
Save 200 at the cost of 50,000
3:20 One of the biggest pwns of President Bartlett in the show's history.
instead of giving 200 kids an opportunity to go to better schools give every kid the opportunity to go to better schools.
Truth is private education is no better than public. It all depends on where the school is located. Stop stealing our tax dollars and teach our children.
Private schools cost too much.
Cause there’s people who profit.
Or those private schools don't get any public funds and must raise the money entirely on their own.
@@ranger34ab my public schools got $9-11k per kid per year. I saw the reports.
@@amyx231 and public schools have people profiting from them too, kinda a hollow point on its own
And the handouts just keep coming
Richard Webber was a mayor before becoming a doctor? Quite the impressive transition.
Hey, I know! Lets try forced busing. That was the big thing back when I was a kid.
Who knew that Dr. Webber made a call to the West Wing...
He even shows up now and then on the Conners.
So in this scene - czcams.com/video/sRb461dDAm0/video.html The President and the rest of the staff in the room won't cave in on a Republican idea because they don't want to go against their principles. Toby says "Threats to civil liberties only ever come a few dollars at a time." But it's OK for them to do it on private schooling in DC?
Pretty odd for a left tilted show to present a sincere argument FOR vouchers. School choice now!
The show wasn't about promoting "left tilted" ideology. It was much more important than that.
I love that fact the mayor put the President "in his place". Cause this the problem with big government thinking. One, is not the government's money it's the people's. Secondly, you notice that throughout their conversation the president only reason against vouchers was, public school would end. Rather then that they are improving our children education. Basically he didn't care which type of schools were better.
bartlet was a spoiled brat.
All politicians are spoiled brats
I really hate the diverting away from public schools' arguments. The student is going with the money, which means the costs are going too. It should be a net zero event. the only way it is NOT is if the beurocracy is eating way too much of the appropriations.
When you take one student out of the classroom, it isn't as if his former teacher costs any less. It isn't as if the school's electricity bill gets any smaller. It isn't as if the football team gets any smaller. The school supplies that many teachers are paying for out of pocket cost a little less.
@stargazer7644 but you can hire less teachers and keep the same ratio of students to teachers. If the lights are off in a class room the electricity bill does go down. Football team has zero to do with ACHEDEMIC performance. The last one is just bullshit sob story to justify the waste on the beurocracy (cut the administration staff and school boards salaries instead)
@stargazer7644 charter schools getting higher test scores with LESS money than their public counterparts literally proves all those statements false.
@@stargazer7644 czcams.com/video/lN8urWXJuYw/video.htmlsi=11v5P3ch6CNyR3d8
@stargazer7644 charter schools debunk all these point completely they out perform their public counterparts for 1/2 the money.
if only this was true and not a tv show. politicians actually listening to reason, on either side!
Support DC statehood- larger population than a multitude of states.
Not a huge fan of the WW because of it's leaning to the left...but I will say many times they tried to offer a glimpse into how those agains them politically think and added a bit of credibility to the discussion. That I sincerely appreciated and wish we had more of that today in DC.
If you think this show was about "leaning to the left" then you really didn't understand the show at all.
Vouchers are great, I like how they can have reasonable and civil discussions on what is best for the students. Today you will be called a racist, bigot, sexist if you hold a different opinion .
Only if your opinions are racist, bigoted or sexist ;)
My opinion on vouchers is that they are good, for a specific purpose. Public schools, especially in poor or inner-city areas, are absolutely unacceptable, falling apart, no money to teach properly, etc etc. if voucher can get those kids into better schools until we can build a better school system as a whole, that’s perfectly fine, but it should only be use as a transitional tool.
@@Baffled_King That's a steaming pile of horse dung. Leftists will call anyone racist, bigoted, or sexist if they don't agree with them. Stop lying to yourself that they need an excuse.
As far as I can tell, vouchers give money to the rich, and take from the poor.
Jed Bartlett: "Your honor, I'm going to need your help putting out some fires within the party on this one."
Joe Biden: "Thanks, Corn Pop!"