Understanding the Intensifying Political Battle Over School Vouchers
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- čas přidán 13. 09. 2024
- A primary issue dominating legislative agendas in education in 2024 is the private school vouchers movement. During this event, ProPublica will walk readers through the complexities behind the “private schools, public money” debate. The issue has historically been viewed along partisan lines. But more recently, rural Republicans have broken with their party to vote against vouchers.
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Public money should go to public schools. If you want to send your kid to private school then pay for it yourself. We need to address this issue bigtime. Thank you.
If a religious establishment wants to have a school, let it charge fees or give education as charity as it sees fit.
@@4362mont Absolutely. Such as in my case. Back in the 70s. I was the student. My mother sent me there. She paid for it, as well she should have.
@@4362mont Exactly! If you want to teach your child about your imaginary friend that should take place outside of normal school hours.
@@196cupcake Certainly, even if I had that imaginary friend, why would I want random public school teachers taking the job of religious instructir to my little ones? But maybe that's another subject.
@@196cupcake It's more about parents not wanting their kids to hear things that would challenge things they hear in church. In my case at least. Our tax dollars should not be used for that.
Here's my arguments against vouchers. 1) Not everything is better in a for profit model. Ex. See what has happened in News Reporting. 2) Just like social nets have been cut, this is open to the same process. In the future, someone(s) will classify it as "entitlement" or "asking for free stuff", etc. 3) The defunding or disappearance of public education.
What happens when what you receive in vouchers is cut? Will schools start giving education ala carte? You can afford reading and math, but not science? Or the level of education is also cut, since the level of teachers will be just what they can afford? What happens when the vouchers do not keep up with the increase of living?
This opens education to all the malaise that occurs in the corporate world as it would move it to that realm. Significant education will only be available for those who can afford it.
This seems to be tax breaks for wealthy families keeping the poor families down.
Isn't the obvious response to impose income requirements? It's not a bad program per se, but left open to anyone the rich will abuse it. Public schools mostly are crap. Teachers don't care. I attended Lutheran schools all my life and even there we had to deal with bullies. My one brother went to public school for 1 year and the bullies beat him badly. Luckily we had 2 older brothers and their friends paid a visit to the boys who were bullying him. The next year he joined me in the Lutheran HS. From there I went on to get a law degree and now I'm retired living in Tokyo. I can only imagine the life I would have had if I stayed in public schools.
Most kids from poor families don't want to study
@@FLAC2023 Do you have any statistics to prove what you say? I grew up in a very poor family. But I went on to become an international law attorney and I am now retired in Tokyo (better health care system).
@@rabbit251Conversely, I attended both a public school and a Catholic school, and really thought the public school teachers were better. They certainly cared - I still talk to a couple of them - and I never saw anyone fight at either school
@@strnglhld Getting away from the issue which is rich people abuse the voucher system to put their kids in private schools.
I don't like these school voucher programs. Iowa just adopted this program last year, and now I know why. They are trying to get rid of public schools. 😢
Because the teacher's unions help out the Democrats during the presidential election. They literally said this! Same reason Walker was union busting. This should be considered election interference and these states should be sued.
It's actually quite a brilliant scheme on the right...underfund public schools for years ensuring their failure, then boost the voucher program to take more money away and defund them further. Downright disgusting.
I mean, it's great deal if you're in the private school business: a government program that gives people "money" that can only be spent on the kind of services you offer is really good. Practically guaranteed profits. If you're a private school investing in elected representatives to make that sort of program happen is really good. So, it's understandable why they're pushing so hard for school vouchers: they're trying to scam us.
Bingo! It is a step to privatizing education. And only those who can afford an education will get one, the rest will get a semblance of one, one that will not be worth the paper that is printed on.
I too have several arguments against vouchers that I have not heard yet. 1) To barrow an argument from the Right when talking about Student Loan Forgiveness; What about all these parents who paid for their children's private school in the past? I can hear it now,, "I had to pay full price out of my pocket, my hard earned cash. Now you want to use my tax dollars to send another parents child to private school? OK that is not a real argument. But the next ones are. 2) I hear parents who already send their children to private say that they are paying for the private school and taxes that go to the public school system that they get no benefit from. My reply... I have no children, should I have to pay taxes for the public and private schools that I get no benefits from? (I honestly have no issue paying for public schools. I want my neighbors kids to get a education so they don't grow up and have to steal from me) **** THIS IS MY FAVORITE ARGUMENT AGAINST SCHOOL VOUCHERS 3) I pay taxes that pays for public schools and I get to vote on the school board members. I do not get to vote for the people that run private schools or homeschooling. 4) Tax dollars collected within a district goes to the public schools within that same district. Any private or homeschooling should be required to also be within the same district the tax dollars are collected from. If not, then #5... 5) If tax dollars collected from a low income area are allowed to go to a private schools in well to do areas, should that not open the door for tax dollars collected in well to do areas to be sent to public schools in a low income areas? 6) Some families have 6 or 7 kids. Should tax payers have to pay for every one of those kids private school? 7) Again, I have no kids. Can I get a voucher for my own education?
Separation of church and state -- begins at home.
Free & Public education including college.
It's always the redest states with the most inequalities
This was helpful.
I believe this is being driven by very wealthy education-company owners (like Betsy DeVos; companies operating private religious schools and/or selling religious curriculums/books/programs to private schools and to homeschool families).
They are stirring up cultural anxiety about CRT & library books but their hidden aim is to drive tax money and potential customers away from public schools and into their domains where they profit mightily and without government/societal oversight.
Their blatantly stealing the money in some places. My state of NC announced back a month or two, they had a $1.++ Billion dollar budget (don't have exact #'s handy, sorry). They designated ~$300 Million more next year for Private School Vouchers, while relaxing some detrimental rules further. THE KICKER >> Two weeks later, they announced a 're-adjustment' to their budget forecast for 2025 DOWN $400 Million+! Ehem....They said the $300 Million voucher money was staying in place!! Out right 3-Card Monty theft of state funds!
Eventually all the poor kids can’t play lacrosse at private schools they can’t afford.
Oklahoma public schools just made it mandatory for biblical teachings.
I'm atheist.
Why don’t people just stop making children?
They have. That's what the declining birth rate means
@@196cupcake That depends. In some parts of the world, it is customary to breed children to be used as military weapons.
@@singintherain-e7hIt’s more like there’s either cultural pressure, religious pressure or limited access to birth control
@@singintherain-e7h Historians also tie it to the miserable survival rates from centuries ago, subconsciously bred into those people's who historically suffered catastrophic losses of their offspring. They had many children to ensure some lived on to create the next generation.
@@cmgweb6951 That applies to literally every country in the world, it doesn't explain why some countries have a declining birth rate and others don't. Current material conditions, however, do: poorer people in general tend to have more children, between all that has been said already (cultural and religious pressures, issues with accessing birth control and sex ed) and the idea that children can help you once you grow old and start having health issues.
nice group video...