Wanted to share my experience up to this point I bought a pup from first litter from Daniel back end of August 2020. Size: Kang at 6 mos is 23 inches at the withers and 55 lbs...other males roughly 5-7 lbs heavier from my gathering. Not sure about RIP hahaha Kennel: very own NKC American Bulldog for anyone else interested in prideofthesouthlandkennels SummitXNeyland Food: I been using the 20lb/40lb organic purple diamond keeping it close to what he was fed at 2 months probably get him on back on raw and bully max soon. Intellect: He's been a smarter bulldog than I anticipated. No professional training just interactions in public and in home. Behavior: Sleeps all night 9 hours. NO accidents aside from a few when first brought him home well off the leash on hikes as well for nature lovers. Responds well to my command as well as I would hope without seeking professional help. Tends to get burst of excitement and let's off a little Wizz here or there in dog friendly public places. Temperament: Can get little testy and cranky without his nap 😏 tends to be weary towards strangers along fenceline and sounds off in the distance. Plays well majority of the time with our other dog.
Thank you for sharing Fernando. Seems like he is doing great and putting on some weight as well. I appreciate the support and sharing your experience with others.
Today yes they are different breeds, but many people forget they are related. Both have the original extinct English bulldog blood in them. Love both breeds!!
The true game bred American Pit Bull Terrier was used to help create the American Bulldog. Also, the true game bred APBT is not square, but rather rectangular in shape, when viewed from the side with an elliptical chest. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier is the square one, as you described. Please fact check me on this. I think you are doing a good job on what you are doing, but some of your information is off the mark just slightly. But compared to others.....you are on point. A Bullie is not an American Pit Bull Terrier....distant cousins, but different bulldogs altogether. On the high end of the spectrum, the true American Pit Bull Terrier could get to 70-75lbs, but it's rare. Alligator was one such specimen of the working game bred variety. The only Terrier in the American Pit Bull Terrier is in the name.....look at the historical pictures and see the historian Mr. Stratton and tell me do you see any Terrier traits. Go back to paintings from the 1700's and tell me if they look mixed, sure the bulldog has evolved since then and the name change doesn't help since it includes the word Terrier. But, prior to this, they were simply called Bulldog. However, I do believe that there were some people crossing in Terriers to Bulldog type dogs for various reasons to better help with whatever tasks they had in that day. But the bulldogs we now call the American Pit Bull Terrier is the original bulldog of old and because of its long history and often times misleading history, Terrier could have been introduced at some point. In its purest form, it was void of Terrier blood and probably today, there may be trace amounts....if any (which I seriously doubt). I am a registered A.D.B.A. breeder and am intent on breeding the purest form of game working Bulldogs to the breed standard. And the bulldogs on my yard are very different from Terriers, as they are not earth dogs in behavior, trait, or tendency. But are masters of the catch, herding, guarding, hunting, searching, tracking, dispatching, and all around farm duties. Even though they are versatile, I still find it hard to call them pet quality, as they are working bulldogs. Don't get me wrong, with the right person and living arrangements they very well could be pet quality, but are cold to the touch and have such high drives and only their loyalty keeps it in check. You will set them up for failure if you are not the right person for the task of turning a working game bred bulldog into a pet. Just my two cents.....please keep up the good work.
Thank you for your input and being kind about disagreeing with some of my points. I am definitely not an expert on either breed and definitely was not at the level I am now of trying to educate myself on dogs when I had APBT’s but I did pull the standard from the ADBA and will leave a link below. Standards only go so far to me but in my opinion it is best to stay as close to them as possible if that makes sense. They do mention being square a couple of times in different contexts so maybe I misunderstood what they meant by it. I respect your opinion and theory on the APBT being the original Bulldog. I hear the same for the American Bulldog. Not to debate you but I feel like I can definitely see terrier in the APBT and feel like the size also demonstrates that terrier was used at some point but I wasn’t there to say it did or didn’t happen. I do know for a fact to some degree APBT is definitely in these standard American Bulldogs. I can see the way some of these dogs are so prey driven that there is no way that it wasn’t used. Even though it’s outside of the American Bulldog Standard it’s my goal to breed these dogs down some in size. A year ago I said 75-80 lbs for my males but there’s nothing a 65 lbs dog can’t do that an 80lb dog can do if you ask me. Smaller size will only add more stamina and durability in my opinion. Thanks again for watching and commenting here is the ADBA link. adbadog.com/heritage-american-pit-bull-terrier-conformation-standard/
@@prideofthesouthlandkennels No problem. And I just like you am still learning the bulldog breeds and am in no way an expert in either breed. I feel the same way, I was not back then....so have no way of knowing how they were truly bred. But my suspicions and what I have seen and learned from talking with other game dog breeders and some Staffordshire Bull Terrier breeders is where and how I learned to see the body definitions of the aforementioned breeds. I know what the breed standard for the ADBA says about being square, but the vast majority of the game working stock I have seen from the 80's until now and even my own stuff has been rectangular shaped with that athletic elliptical chest when viewed from the side. Mrs. Winchester (Sorrells/Tatanka) has some Staffordshire Bull Terriers and guess what....every one of them is square when viewed from the side. She is just one example that comes to mind. I think we are fighting for the same thing....true and complete knowledge of our respective breeds. I still humbly & respectfully disagree about the Terrier side of things and even Hammonds said the difference between the Patties (Patterdale Terriers) and the Bulldogs is night and day. And he was a good breeder of Patties when he had them. The looks, attitude, and traits are very different, even on a 30lbs or so Bulldog...it's just a different animal altogether with the only thing shared in common is small stature with the bulldog still being larger. But thanks for being humble and you have my respect as well and you are on the right path to becoming a good bulldog man.
Thank you sir, going to educate myself on more of this Terrier topic. I know a few people that may can shed some light on that and educate me. Thank you for the comment and conversation. It has sparked some conversation ideas for me with others. Keep on bulldoggin my friend👍🏻
Are you saying the old english bulldog wasn't crossed with the English terrier to create the pitbull terrier? I see terrier in my pitbull every day physically and by how she hunts.
I really hope you aren't saying the American pitbull terrier is just an old english bulldog because that would be ridiculous. Apbt has a terrier written all over it. Not just it's name or maybe you never owned a terrier.
That is definitely something I want to work towards and do once I hit 1k subscribers. That is exactly the kind of information I am looking for. I talk to a few people from various states that have helped me along the way. After the basic information is out there we’re going to dive a little deeper into things. I would definitely appreciate any information you could provide. Weekly lives is what I’m trying to build this up for. I’m glad someone’s already interested.
Good video. Like the content. You know some stuff. Lol.. Definitely more than most. The AB is a great dog. I had game dogs all my life .had dogs from Captain america who was probably top 3 in the country with his dogs from his yard. He beat James Crenshaw, Ozzie Steven's & most the other fast lane guys. I also had a ton of grand sons & daughters of Gr Ch Yellow by way of Tants Brantly (son of yellow) & my last game dogs was some yard bred isolated hard tested Chinaman bred to Mexican Eli stuff. Now I got a male out of a working 40kb athletic Olde English Bulldogge accidentally bred to a half Sorrels APBT / half Stafford Bull terrier. He's got drive for days & a absolute gorilla but he's way better suited for city living than a fight crazy fire cracker game bred bulldog
The majority of the time yes, but.... you have not seen the things I have seen. I have saw some very large ABs pushing more on the Johnson side get down. Let's just say in other countries they still fight these dogs and not just against other dogs.
The only dog I ever seen take a Caucasian Shepherd was a large AB. The game breed pits where just to small, they got heart and stanima like no other, but sometimes size does matter.
@@anthonydoyle4209 I've seen some good ones. I knew a few guys that bought some heavy boned johnson stuff from him & some hybrid stuff out of Scott. My buddy had littermated to that Chance dog from Homeward bound. I've been around them forever. Probably been around AB & working Southern Olde English Bulldogges since the early 90s. I love a good bulldog. I got a male out of a big ugly white working Bulldogge bred to a fight crazy English staffy bitch. Had no intentions of getting another dog after my last APBT. I had a inbred son of some line bred Boomerang/ Hank to Boyles dogs a buddy had that I helped him buy back in the day . But I was out dropping off some hash & seen the parents. My pup was the only one with a full tail.All white blue eyed big headed puppy. Expected a 40lb lazy bulldog mix. Got a 55lb fight crazy prey driven lunatic
A true APBT does not weigh more than 60 lb at the max. majority people have staffordshire terriers or Staffordshire Bull terriers or bullies calling them pit bulls
You got it right on the nail in this video and yes hulk has got French mastiff in him a lady who lives nr me has a dog the same as hulk and he rs is bulldog x ddb
@@prideofthesouthlandkennels Wannabe Whopper is Great Grandfather of Hulk. Mr. Eddington used to cheat in a weight pulling contest. The ADBA register the dog for that reason . Rumor, has it. He paying the ADBA.
@@prideofthesouthlandkennels ur welcome ....u r doin a good job and thats level above all other chanel i finde on youtube..thats my opinion...and i pray that GOD help u in wht u r doin ..amen.... stay hard :)
your right i don't beleive there should be 2 types of the same breed.... like how is there a Johnson type that looks nothing like the scott type but still considered the same breed the originals looked one way not one way or the other i believe the johnson type is the original but now the johnson type does resembles more of the pitbull look
Hey Brother! A 75lb Pitbull is a dog with something else in it's blood line or its simply a freak of nature. I like the 35lb to 50lb dog when it comes to the Pitbull. And the American Bullies are not Pitbull's. American Bullies are junk anyways. Yep Dogge De Bordeaux , and Cane Corso and some other stuff. Thanks for giving the good education. Your doing the good work.
Gr Ch Mayday was 75lbs conditioned so it can happen. I know most dogs that weight are not pure but their are exceptions from time to time. Who knows the true lineage but he is a famous and excellent example of APBT to me.
@@prideofthesouthlandkennels Yes, I will cede the point of the one off dog. And even that one off dog as an anomaly can be a great dog. However, I will stress this point, to breed for the purposes of recreating that anomaly as a breed standard could wreck any breed of animal. Such as in the case of the Great Dane. It's origonal purpose was to hunt the European wild boar. A job in which almost none of the dogs could do now. They bred for the one off dog and wrecked the breed.
I don’t think true dogmen that love game bred dogs really want big dogs but they ran with that dog because he was proven. Now on the other hand a lot of people that could’ve got their hands on that dog would’ve solely bred for size instead of attributes which is what most are doing now days. Me personally, I like smaller dogs, I wouldn’t mind one bit to produce 65-70lb male American Bulldogs. I know it’s out of the standard but I don’t show my dogs so wouldn’t hurt my feelings one bit as long as they could work.
@@prideofthesouthlandkennels And that's why I took an instant liking to you from the start. Because it's about the dogs performance health and temperament drive and grit. I have seen little Jagd Terriers getting after a boar and doing a damn fine job of it. I have witnessed a small Belgian Malinoise Get in after the sleeve and out perform all the bigger dogs in the competition. A dog with a tenacious drive a hard bite even if it's a 45 pound dog Can overwhelm a big 200 plus pound man. I have seen it happen the neighbour's little 45 pound Border collie blue heeler cross tore up a trespasser. The man must have been at least 240 pounds. That dog got on him and without us interfering it might have gone a lot worse. So bigger is not better it's about the drive the grit the courage the athleticism the hardiness. Albeit, the dog has to have something behind it, like a little muscle.
I've owned pits and staff s. They are terrier s . American bulldogs are mastiff English bulldog blood line. Terrier s are tenacious they are site hunters with a high prey drive. American bulldogs the standard or Scott's are guardians they are Labs when it's time too be Labs. Belly rubs chasing tennis balls chillin with the cat cuddling the kids. If someone or something ever messes with u your property your kids your livestock. That ABD is gonna regulate. I live in bear coyote and bobcat country. My neighbors get there trash torn up every week. I haven't had my trash mess ed with in 10yrs. Bubba doesn't attack or kill . He just harassed them so much they move on. If a neighbor s dog chasers the horses he chases it off. He's the house. He protects everything on the farm. He takes his job serious. I didn't train him he was born that way.
Do one on dogo argentino and American bulldog so much closer breeds then the Pitt, white color hog dogs they look like Scott type but 100lb mines looking to be a bit bigger he’s 100lb but 11 months great dog
Yeah man, I think you’re in point. It’s funny how protective people are about the history (mines pure and yours ain’t etc., ) It’s in the APBT peds for goodness sake. Not all but many go back to “imports” or “unknowns”. I think there was little differentiation between bulldogs back pre 1935. And as you know even today, in the south, people call APBT bulldogs. So what we now know is the ambull and APBT share a similar history like the SBT and APBT. I think the game dogs of the time before “imports” were mutts/crosses and “am bulls”. Then the bull & terriers came in the mid 1800s, got crossed in the gamest American dogs eventually creating the early APBT. So like the alapaha, people didn’t care if their game dog had hound, terrier, bull etc., If it could “work” then you bred it. Then crossed in the imports (SBT) creating the APBT. Now by1880 the American dogmen started to refine the APBT and by 1935 the SBT and APBT were separate lines/breeds An APBT of that time was really close to a SBT, but from ‘35-75 I’m sure more “ambulls” were crossed in and visa versa (Mathew’s black ambulls) As we saw weights increase, head size etc., and as you stated post WWII the ambull was disappearing. I suspect it was being crossed “out” into the APBT.
Yes it is true that game bred dogs generally run a lot smaller than what the average person believes but there are true game bred bulldogs(apbt) that get really big. My current house dog is over 61 lbs fully conditioned and his sire was 102lbs with a bit of fat on him. They are properly bred dogs with proven/game tested dogs right up to my dogs grandparents and winning dogs in his 4 gen ped. It is rare but does happen. My dog is a bit scatter bred having Jeep, Redboy, ofrn, Patrick, Reid blood in him (as a lot of dogs in Australia do) and with a more diverse gene pool you tend to get bigger dogs. Tight linebred or heavily inbred dogs tend to get really small on average. Btw, great vid from a fancier of a different breed with good knowledge on true APBTs. Can tell that that you came from the breed originally.
Yes I believe that Pit Bull are a cross between English Bulldogs and various terriers and like you said not the modern day English bulldog and I have bred American Pitbull, Scott type and the Ol Southern American bulldog Now I just breed hybrid standard and hybrid bullies or you can say hybrid Johnson. Keep up the good of Educating us on the American bulldog breeds
Next litter will be spring/summer, I have several people on the list but I’ve been adding to the list for a while, some will drop off. If you’d like on just let me know and I can add you to it.
Great video D.. sometimes certain ppl have to have it broke down to them with statistics and standards ! But ya did an excellent job of that in this video an others but like you said according on where ya live in the states at least you can have all out bans or restrictions not just state to state but city to city inside of a single state.. on certain breeds namely the pitbull ..but I hate when ppl use pitbull as a umbrella term to label what they personally believe is a pitbull..it bothers the hell outta me!! Just cause rottweilers an most dobermans have the same colors an markings ya can't use one specific word or name to label them as the same breed bc it's like night an day when it comes to distinguishing the true differences between dog breeds bc no matter if some are damn near identical as far as visually it could be as simple as temperament that sets the apart ... thanks for trying to help set ppl straight but ya know as well as I do that no matter what we do or say when it comes to ignorant ppl they will always believe what they want even with all the proof right in front of them...luv the direction ya taking ya yard an your channel much luv again from vicksburg Mississippi brotha 💯💯💯✊✊✊👍💪💪🐂🐂🐶🐶
Well said my friend I agree but I will not go down without trying to spread the message lol. Thanks for the view and the comment brother I appreciate as always.
@@prideofthesouthlandkennels no prob. Brotha ... Oh an don't get me wrong there's nothing wrong with spreading the word especially with the platforms we have today but some ppl are just misled an or misinformed they will be the ones that can be reached easier but ignorant ppl don't even believe the truth when the evidence is in front of them.. ya know the ol saying ya can't fix stupid!.. but I understand that owning breeding an raising a dog that the rest of the world places a name on that labels them something that they are not with all the bsl laws could be very frustrating especially u with am bulldogs an the bsl says they are pitbulls an you lose yours alongside the breed that is really what the law was intended for... God bless you and yours an it's all luv from Mississippi brotha 💯✊✊
@@prideofthesouthlandkennels yea when I was running my apbts it was around there. And I believe it should of stayed there. "If it ain't broken, don't fix it"
Your doing a great job educating the uneducated brother!! I’m like the other guy in the comments, it really gets under my skin when people are calling and labeling those dog that are as wide as they are tall as APBT’s! APBT is a true working dog! Those dogs can’t even run to the kitchen when it’s time for them to be fed! I’ve always just called them hippopotamus dogs, cause that’s how they are built! My American Bulldog puppy from NeylandxSummitt is pretty gritty though I will say that!!
@@justinomar9210 - just in case you were completely serious. The Hulk is not a Pit Bull. He is mixed with larger breeds. I would say Dogue de Boudreaux for sure but others say American Bulldog among other breeds as well.
I’d love to get one of my pups with a hunter so they can be tested. I have a couple people on the list wanting for same reason but not sure who all will still be on the list when the time comes. I don’t have a lot of breedings. If you’re interested in being on the list I’d definitely love to have you on there. Both parents of the next planned breeding will catch, we just don’t hunt wild boar they’ve been used to catch domestic pigs for me.
I’d be interested in that for sure. Just don’t know the first thing about it so if you wouldn’t mind a greenhorn tagging along I’m game. Prideofthesouthlandkennels@outlook.com email if interested we can talk more about that and maybe exchange contact information.
Please talk to JOSIAH KENNEL SOUTHERN. BLOOD he knows what he talking about he has the real old southern white bulldog absolutely no scott blood in them
Are you talking about Joshua Kennels? If so, I have spoken to Lem Miller. He kept an old line of his uncles I believe as pure as he could of the Old Southern Whites.
I had a american bulldog when I lived in Louisiana and I wanted to breed the bulldog to my pitbull years ago and I do like the look of the bullies but in my opinion the American bulldog and a small female pit and get a beautiful combo and they can run and hunt pigs I've seen the bullies out of breath just sitting still everything you've said in this video I agree with you I wish I could afford a puppy from you I live in Connecticut now and would like to show and represent your dog and bloodline up here but keep making your vids everything I say is true there taking pits and breeding them to English bulldog and they keep the ones that don't have that fucked up looking tail but I wish I was in Louisiana that's alot closer but if u ever have pup and you wanna send your bloodline so when the dog is full grown and evey will ask were did you get I would tell them I don't know how to use CZcams but I'm gonna have someone show me but what happened to my American bulldog ooh and he was a big boy when I was in the south I let him run on the land and couldn't prove it but the dog was poisoned and I had got discount fr a friend 2500 monster but I know cash is king but if u ever wanna get your bloodline up here and I wouldn't breed to no one o want as family dog and as a family protection and eventually when I could afford I would get another from you of your choosing that you wanted to breed back to male but I hope you get this message and we can work something out (203)850-1342 thanks even if you read message but hopefully maybe you can make my family's dream come true have a good day just being around those beautiful dogs you've bred
Wanted to share my experience up to this point I bought a pup from first litter from Daniel back end of August 2020.
Size: Kang at 6 mos is 23 inches at the withers and 55 lbs...other males roughly 5-7 lbs heavier from my gathering. Not sure about RIP hahaha
Kennel: very own NKC American Bulldog for anyone else interested in prideofthesouthlandkennels SummitXNeyland
Food: I been using the 20lb/40lb organic purple diamond keeping it close to what he was fed at 2 months probably get him on back on raw and bully max soon.
Intellect: He's been a smarter bulldog than I anticipated. No professional training just interactions in public and in home.
Behavior: Sleeps all night 9 hours. NO accidents aside from a few when first brought him home well off the leash on hikes as well for nature lovers. Responds well to my command as well as I would hope without seeking professional help. Tends to get burst of excitement and let's off a little Wizz here or there in dog friendly public places.
Temperament: Can get little testy and cranky without his nap 😏 tends to be weary towards strangers along fenceline and sounds off in the distance. Plays well majority of the time with our other dog.
Thank you for sharing Fernando. Seems like he is doing great and putting on some weight as well. I appreciate the support and sharing your experience with others.
59.2 lbs* this morning
American bulldog shouldn’t be lumped with the Apbt. No other dog should be called a pit bull unless it’s a Apbt
100% agree it’s disrespectful to both breeds in my opinion. They both have their great attributes and should only be called what they are👍🏻
i agree with what you said about difference in the breeds the Apbt is the only dog that should be classed as pitbull.
Today yes they are different breeds, but many people forget they are related. Both have the original extinct English bulldog blood in them. Love both breeds!!
My pit 8 months is 30 pounds. Unless your a rat squirrel or midget you have nothing to worry bout🤣🤣. You doing the dog game a blessing. Thank you
Appreciate that 👍🏻
Keep these interviews coming!!
Thank you, more to come stay tuned 👍🏻
I’m getting my first bulldog this weekend great first two episodes keep it goin brother!!
Thank you for watching and commenting. Good luck with the new dog, I’m sure you’ll enjoy it.
Your welcome. I know I’ll enjoy him can’t wait to get him hopefully you touch on tips on conditioning and thing s of that nature. I’m tuned in.
Love your channel.. respect for sharing...uk fan
Thank you brother 👍🏻
The true game bred American Pit Bull Terrier was used to help create the American Bulldog. Also, the true game bred APBT is not square, but rather rectangular in shape, when viewed from the side with an elliptical chest. The Staffordshire Bull Terrier is the square one, as you described. Please fact check me on this. I think you are doing a good job on what you are doing, but some of your information is off the mark just slightly. But compared to others.....you are on point. A Bullie is not an American Pit Bull Terrier....distant cousins, but different bulldogs altogether. On the high end of the spectrum, the true American Pit Bull Terrier could get to 70-75lbs, but it's rare. Alligator was one such specimen of the working game bred variety. The only Terrier in the American Pit Bull Terrier is in the name.....look at the historical pictures and see the historian Mr. Stratton and tell me do you see any Terrier traits. Go back to paintings from the 1700's and tell me if they look mixed, sure the bulldog has evolved since then and the name change doesn't help since it includes the word Terrier. But, prior to this, they were simply called Bulldog. However, I do believe that there were some people crossing in Terriers to Bulldog type dogs for various reasons to better help with whatever tasks they had in that day. But the bulldogs we now call the American Pit Bull Terrier is the original bulldog of old and because of its long history and often times misleading history, Terrier could have been introduced at some point. In its purest form, it was void of Terrier blood and probably today, there may be trace amounts....if any (which I seriously doubt). I am a registered A.D.B.A. breeder and am intent on breeding the purest form of game working Bulldogs to the breed standard. And the bulldogs on my yard are very different from Terriers, as they are not earth dogs in behavior, trait, or tendency. But are masters of the catch, herding, guarding, hunting, searching, tracking, dispatching, and all around farm duties. Even though they are versatile, I still find it hard to call them pet quality, as they are working bulldogs. Don't get me wrong, with the right person and living arrangements they very well could be pet quality, but are cold to the touch and have such high drives and only their loyalty keeps it in check. You will set them up for failure if you are not the right person for the task of turning a working game bred bulldog into a pet. Just my two cents.....please keep up the good work.
Thank you for your input and being kind about disagreeing with some of my points. I am definitely not an expert on either breed and definitely was not at the level I am now of trying to educate myself on dogs when I had APBT’s but I did pull the standard from the ADBA and will leave a link below. Standards only go so far to me but in my opinion it is best to stay as close to them as possible if that makes sense. They do mention being square a couple of times in different contexts so maybe I misunderstood what they meant by it. I respect your opinion and theory on the APBT being the original Bulldog. I hear the same for the American Bulldog. Not to debate you but I feel like I can definitely see terrier in the APBT and feel like the size also demonstrates that terrier was used at some point but I wasn’t there to say it did or didn’t happen. I do know for a fact to some degree APBT is definitely in these standard American Bulldogs. I can see the way some of these dogs are so prey driven that there is no way that it wasn’t used. Even though it’s outside of the American Bulldog Standard it’s my goal to breed these dogs down some in size. A year ago I said 75-80 lbs for my males but there’s nothing a 65 lbs dog can’t do that an 80lb dog can do if you ask me. Smaller size will only add more stamina and durability in my opinion. Thanks again for watching and commenting here is the ADBA link.
adbadog.com/heritage-american-pit-bull-terrier-conformation-standard/
@@prideofthesouthlandkennels No problem. And I just like you am still learning the bulldog breeds and am in no way an expert in either breed. I feel the same way, I was not back then....so have no way of knowing how they were truly bred. But my suspicions and what I have seen and learned from talking with other game dog breeders and some Staffordshire Bull Terrier breeders is where and how I learned to see the body definitions of the aforementioned breeds. I know what the breed standard for the ADBA says about being square, but the vast majority of the game working stock I have seen from the 80's until now and even my own stuff has been rectangular shaped with that athletic elliptical chest when viewed from the side. Mrs. Winchester (Sorrells/Tatanka) has some Staffordshire Bull Terriers and guess what....every one of them is square when viewed from the side. She is just one example that comes to mind. I think we are fighting for the same thing....true and complete knowledge of our respective breeds. I still humbly & respectfully disagree about the Terrier side of things and even Hammonds said the difference between the Patties (Patterdale Terriers) and the Bulldogs is night and day. And he was a good breeder of Patties when he had them. The looks, attitude, and traits are very different, even on a 30lbs or so Bulldog...it's just a different animal altogether with the only thing shared in common is small stature with the bulldog still being larger. But thanks for being humble and you have my respect as well and you are on the right path to becoming a good bulldog man.
Thank you sir, going to educate myself on more of this Terrier topic. I know a few people that may can shed some light on that and educate me. Thank you for the comment and conversation. It has sparked some conversation ideas for me with others. Keep on bulldoggin my friend👍🏻
Are you saying the old english bulldog wasn't crossed with the English terrier to create the pitbull terrier? I see terrier in my pitbull every day physically and by how she hunts.
I really hope you aren't saying the American pitbull terrier is just an old english bulldog because that would be ridiculous. Apbt has a terrier written all over it. Not just it's name or maybe you never owned a terrier.
Good info thank you
Thank you for watching and commenting 👍🏻
We should have a live feed sometime. I feel you and I can unload a ton of not commonly known info about this breed.
That is definitely something I want to work towards and do once I hit 1k subscribers. That is exactly the kind of information I am looking for. I talk to a few people from various states that have helped me along the way. After the basic information is out there we’re going to dive a little deeper into things. I would definitely appreciate any information you could provide. Weekly lives is what I’m trying to build this up for. I’m glad someone’s already interested.
When we get another American bulldog, I will get one from y'all 😁
I think this is the most fascinating thing about dog history. What is a pitbull, what is a bulldog are they the same, are they different...
Hulk is probably part boerboel as well, their weight is up there.
Good video. Like the content. You know some stuff. Lol.. Definitely more than most. The AB is a great dog. I had game dogs all my life .had dogs from Captain america who was probably top 3 in the country with his dogs from his yard. He beat James Crenshaw, Ozzie Steven's & most the other fast lane guys. I also had a ton of grand sons & daughters of Gr Ch Yellow by way of Tants Brantly (son of yellow) & my last game dogs was some yard bred isolated hard tested Chinaman bred to Mexican Eli stuff. Now I got a male out of a working 40kb athletic Olde English Bulldogge accidentally bred to a half Sorrels APBT / half Stafford Bull terrier. He's got drive for days & a absolute gorilla but he's way better suited for city living than a fight crazy fire cracker game bred bulldog
Great video on explaining the difference, I hate when people call exotics American Bullies.
There's not a American Bulldog on this planet that a game bred APBT wouldn't out work or out hunt
The majority of the time yes, but.... you have not seen the things I have seen. I have saw some very large ABs pushing more on the Johnson side get down. Let's just say in other countries they still fight these dogs and not just against other dogs.
The only dog I ever seen take a Caucasian Shepherd was a large AB. The game breed pits where just to small, they got heart and stanima like no other, but sometimes size does matter.
@@anthonydoyle4209 I've seen some good ones. I knew a few guys that bought some heavy boned johnson stuff from him & some hybrid stuff out of Scott. My buddy had littermated to that Chance dog from Homeward bound. I've been around them forever. Probably been around AB & working Southern Olde English Bulldogges since the early 90s. I love a good bulldog. I got a male out of a big ugly white working Bulldogge bred to a fight crazy English staffy bitch. Had no intentions of getting another dog after my last APBT. I had a inbred son of some line bred Boomerang/ Hank to Boyles dogs a buddy had that I helped him buy back in the day . But I was out dropping off some hash & seen the parents. My pup was the only one with a full tail.All white blue eyed big headed puppy. Expected a 40lb lazy bulldog mix. Got a 55lb fight crazy prey driven lunatic
@@anthonydoyle4209 I believe that. I'd put my money on both Tosa & a good Boerboel against a Caucasian as well
A true APBT does not weigh more than 60 lb at the max. majority people have staffordshire terriers or Staffordshire Bull terriers or bullies calling them pit bulls
I quoted the ADBA standard and true APBT’s have weighed more than 60lbs in the past it’s just not very common.
You got it right on the nail in this video and yes hulk has got French mastiff in him a lady who lives nr me has a dog the same as hulk and he rs is bulldog x ddb
Hulk is off Wannabe Whopper. Wannabe Whopper was a Mastiff/ American bulldog
Nice, thanks for that information. I never tried to look his pedigree information up I just know he’s definitely not what they say he is.
Would that be Eddingtons’s Ace of Aces Wanna Be A Whopper?
@@prideofthesouthlandkennels Wannabe Whopper is Great Grandfather of Hulk. Mr. Eddington used to cheat in a weight pulling contest. The ADBA register the dog for that reason . Rumor, has it. He paying the ADBA.
@Rawjan 39 - 🤦🏻♂️ what a shame if that is actually happening or happened.
@@prideofthesouthlandkennels it happened.
This was very informative and very accurate despite the haters
i suport u and ur chanel .....u r something new and that new is good !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you I appreciate the kind words
@@prideofthesouthlandkennels ur welcome ....u r doin a good job and thats level above all other chanel i finde on youtube..thats my opinion...and i pray that GOD help u in wht u r doin ..amen.... stay hard :)
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Good show bro, real talk ya heard.....
Appreciate man thanks for watching again 👍🏻
And if it's possible when you take that trip to Don Matthew yard a nice video of his yard if possible? Get a interview with the Legend!
I will try my best but I don’t want to be disrespectful. Just a couple more weeks out.
@@prideofthesouthlandkennels with permission only bro!!!
Oh yea no doubt about that. I just don’t want it to come off as disrespectful by asking. But I will definitely ask. Thanks for watching and commenting
your right i don't beleive there should be 2 types of the same breed.... like how is there a Johnson type that looks nothing like the scott type but still considered the same breed the originals looked one way not one way or the other i believe the johnson type is the original but now the johnson type does resembles more of the pitbull look
Hey Brother! A 75lb Pitbull is a dog with something else in it's blood line or its simply a freak of nature. I like the 35lb to 50lb dog when it comes to the Pitbull. And the American Bullies are not Pitbull's. American Bullies are junk anyways. Yep Dogge De Bordeaux , and Cane Corso and some other stuff. Thanks for giving the good education. Your doing the good work.
Gr Ch Mayday was 75lbs conditioned so it can happen. I know most dogs that weight are not pure but their are exceptions from time to time. Who knows the true lineage but he is a famous and excellent example of APBT to me.
@@prideofthesouthlandkennels Yes, I will cede the point of the one off dog. And even that one off dog as an anomaly can be a great dog. However, I will stress this point, to breed for the purposes of recreating that anomaly as a breed standard could wreck any breed of animal. Such as in the case of the Great Dane. It's origonal purpose was to hunt the European wild boar. A job in which almost none of the dogs could do now. They bred for the one off dog and wrecked the breed.
I don’t think true dogmen that love game bred dogs really want big dogs but they ran with that dog because he was proven. Now on the other hand a lot of people that could’ve got their hands on that dog would’ve solely bred for size instead of attributes which is what most are doing now days. Me personally, I like smaller dogs, I wouldn’t mind one bit to produce 65-70lb male American Bulldogs. I know it’s out of the standard but I don’t show my dogs so wouldn’t hurt my feelings one bit as long as they could work.
@@prideofthesouthlandkennels And that's why I took an instant liking to you from the start. Because it's about the dogs performance health and temperament drive and grit. I have seen little Jagd Terriers getting after a boar and doing a damn fine job of it. I have witnessed a small Belgian Malinoise Get in after the sleeve and out perform all the bigger dogs in the competition. A dog with a tenacious drive a hard bite even if it's a 45 pound dog Can overwhelm a big 200 plus pound man. I have seen it happen the neighbour's little 45 pound Border collie blue heeler cross tore up a trespasser. The man must have been at least 240 pounds. That dog got on him and without us interfering it might have gone a lot worse. So bigger is not better it's about the drive the grit the courage the athleticism the hardiness. Albeit, the dog has to have something behind it, like a little muscle.
Yes indeed my friend 💪
I've owned pits and staff s. They are terrier s . American bulldogs are mastiff English bulldog blood line. Terrier s are tenacious they are site hunters with a high prey drive. American bulldogs the standard or Scott's are guardians they are Labs when it's time too be Labs. Belly rubs chasing tennis balls chillin with the cat cuddling the kids. If someone or something ever messes with u your property your kids your livestock. That ABD is gonna regulate. I live in bear coyote and bobcat country. My neighbors get there trash torn up every week. I haven't had my trash mess ed with in 10yrs. Bubba doesn't attack or kill . He just harassed them so much they move on. If a neighbor s dog chasers the horses he chases it off. He's the house. He protects everything on the farm. He takes his job serious. I didn't train him he was born that way.
What type lem miller of joshua kennel have?My dog mam 3rd gen of joshua isaac.
Do one on dogo argentino and American bulldog so much closer breeds then the Pitt, white color hog dogs they look like Scott type but 100lb mines looking to be a bit bigger he’s 100lb but 11 months great dog
Yeah man, I think you’re in point. It’s funny how protective people are about the history (mines pure and yours ain’t etc., )
It’s in the APBT peds for goodness sake. Not all but many go back to “imports” or “unknowns”.
I think there was little differentiation between bulldogs back pre 1935. And as you know even today, in the south, people call APBT bulldogs.
So what we now know is the ambull and APBT share a similar history like the SBT and APBT.
I think the game dogs of the time before “imports” were mutts/crosses and “am bulls”.
Then the bull & terriers came in the mid 1800s, got crossed in the gamest American dogs eventually creating the early APBT.
So like the alapaha, people didn’t care if their game dog had hound, terrier, bull etc.,
If it could “work” then you bred it. Then crossed in the imports (SBT) creating the APBT.
Now by1880 the American dogmen started to refine the APBT and by 1935 the SBT and APBT were separate lines/breeds
An APBT of that time was really close to a SBT, but from ‘35-75 I’m sure more “ambulls” were crossed in and visa versa (Mathew’s black ambulls) As we saw weights increase, head size etc., and as you stated post WWII the ambull was disappearing. I suspect it was being crossed “out” into the APBT.
Great info man
Thank you brother 👍🏻
Yes it is true that game bred dogs generally run a lot smaller than what the average person believes but there are true game bred bulldogs(apbt) that get really big. My current house dog is over 61 lbs fully conditioned and his sire was 102lbs with a bit of fat on him. They are properly bred dogs with proven/game tested dogs right up to my dogs grandparents and winning dogs in his 4 gen ped. It is rare but does happen. My dog is a bit scatter bred having Jeep, Redboy, ofrn, Patrick, Reid blood in him (as a lot of dogs in Australia do) and with a more diverse gene pool you tend to get bigger dogs. Tight linebred or heavily inbred dogs tend to get really small on average. Btw, great vid from a fancier of a different breed with good knowledge on true APBTs. Can tell that that you came from the breed originally.
Thank you for the kind words and input. I appreciate you watching and commenting👍🏻💯
Ones a descendant of a mastiff the others a terrier
More to it than that
Yes I believe that Pit Bull are a cross between English Bulldogs and various terriers and like you said not the modern day English bulldog and I have bred American Pitbull, Scott type and the Ol Southern American bulldog Now I just breed hybrid standard and hybrid bullies or you can say hybrid Johnson. Keep up the good of Educating us on the American bulldog breeds
Thank you for watching and commenting, I appreciate the support 👍🏻
No problem bro
When are you going to have your next litter and how long is the waiting list
Next litter will be spring/summer, I have several people on the list but I’ve been adding to the list for a while, some will drop off. If you’d like on just let me know and I can add you to it.
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Great video D.. sometimes certain ppl have to have it broke down to them with statistics and standards ! But ya did an excellent job of that in this video an others but like you said according on where ya live in the states at least you can have all out bans or restrictions not just state to state but city to city inside of a single state.. on certain breeds namely the pitbull ..but I hate when ppl use pitbull as a umbrella term to label what they personally believe is a pitbull..it bothers the hell outta me!! Just cause rottweilers an most dobermans have the same colors an markings ya can't use one specific word or name to label them as the same breed bc it's like night an day when it comes to distinguishing the true differences between dog breeds bc no matter if some are damn near identical as far as visually it could be as simple as temperament that sets the apart ... thanks for trying to help set ppl straight but ya know as well as I do that no matter what we do or say when it comes to ignorant ppl they will always believe what they want even with all the proof right in front of them...luv the direction ya taking ya yard an your channel much luv again from vicksburg Mississippi brotha 💯💯💯✊✊✊👍💪💪🐂🐂🐶🐶
Well said my friend I agree but I will not go down without trying to spread the message lol. Thanks for the view and the comment brother I appreciate as always.
@@prideofthesouthlandkennels no prob. Brotha ... Oh an don't get me wrong there's nothing wrong with spreading the word especially with the platforms we have today but some ppl are just misled an or misinformed they will be the ones that can be reached easier but ignorant ppl don't even believe the truth when the evidence is in front of them.. ya know the ol saying ya can't fix stupid!.. but I understand that owning breeding an raising a dog that the rest of the world places a name on that labels them something that they are not with all the bsl laws could be very frustrating especially u with am bulldogs an the bsl says they are pitbulls an you lose yours alongside the breed that is really what the law was intended for... God bless you and yours an it's all luv from Mississippi brotha 💯✊✊
If I'm correct the weight limit used to be 60-65lbs I could be wrong
Yea I believe it used to be lower than it is now. It should be 60lbs in my opinion.
@@prideofthesouthlandkennels yea when I was running my apbts it was around there. And I believe it should of stayed there. "If it ain't broken, don't fix it"
Exactly 👍🏻
35 - 55 pounds used to be the breed standard. Most of the old game dogs usually used to be around the 39 to 49 pound range
Your doing a great job educating the uneducated brother!! I’m like the other guy in the comments, it really gets under my skin when people are calling and labeling those dog that are as wide as they are tall as APBT’s! APBT is a true working dog! Those dogs can’t even run to the kitchen when it’s time for them to be fed! I’ve always just called them hippopotamus dogs, cause that’s how they are built! My American Bulldog puppy from NeylandxSummitt is pretty gritty though I will say that!!
Thanks for watching and commenting...that’s what I like to hear about the pups 👍🏻
@@prideofthesouthlandkennels I’ll post a video of Cash soon on Instagram and tag you in it buddy!
Sounds man thanks 👍🏻
What about hulk the Pitbull he's like 150 pounds
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@@justinomar9210 - just in case you were completely serious. The Hulk is not a Pit Bull. He is mixed with larger breeds. I would say Dogue de Boudreaux for sure but others say American Bulldog among other breeds as well.
My brother and hunt hogs in Pine Bluff Arkansas
I’d love to get one of my pups with a hunter so they can be tested. I have a couple people on the list wanting for same reason but not sure who all will still be on the list when the time comes. I don’t have a lot of breedings. If you’re interested in being on the list I’d definitely love to have you on there. Both parents of the next planned breeding will catch, we just don’t hunt wild boar they’ve been used to catch domestic pigs for me.
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Maybe we can link up a hunt one day
I’d be interested in that for sure. Just don’t know the first thing about it so if you wouldn’t mind a greenhorn tagging along I’m game. Prideofthesouthlandkennels@outlook.com email if interested we can talk more about that and maybe exchange contact information.
🇧🇧 question does pitbull colors vary?
Yes they have a lot of different variety of colors, black, white, brindle, buckskin, etc.
It seems to me, that the johnson type just has unwanted body traits that accumulated...
Does anybody have Steve leclerecs blood?
I only see it pretty deep in the pedigrees that I see to be honest.
@@prideofthesouthlandkennels is he still alive and active?
Not sure, I don’t hear anyone speak about him.
Colby Pincher was around 70lb
Yea Colby’s Pincher was a nice dog. He looks a lot like some Modern day American Bulldogs to me.
@@prideofthesouthlandkennels yeah he does. There were a couple of nice size Apbt like Plumbers Gator and Gr. Ch May Day
Colby had Pitbulls staffs bulldogs and Boston terriers
@@stonelove1809 Mr Colby had staff, Apbt, Am Staff and racing horses.
Please talk to JOSIAH KENNEL SOUTHERN. BLOOD he knows what he talking about he has the real old southern white bulldog absolutely no scott blood in them
Are you talking about Joshua Kennels? If so, I have spoken to Lem Miller. He kept an old line of his uncles I believe as pure as he could of the Old Southern Whites.
So are you saying he has dogs with original bloodline that came over from uk
Just saying he had dogs without Johnson or Scott Blood in them and claimed they were the purest form of the Old Southern White
my dog is 17 x 17 43 lbs
Nice, thank you for sharing that you have a nice dog.
I had a american bulldog when I lived in Louisiana and I wanted to breed the bulldog to my pitbull years ago and I do like the look of the bullies but in my opinion the American bulldog and a small female pit and get a beautiful combo and they can run and hunt pigs I've seen the bullies out of breath just sitting still everything you've said in this video I agree with you I wish I could afford a puppy from you I live in Connecticut now and would like to show and represent your dog and bloodline up here but keep making your vids everything I say is true there taking pits and breeding them to English bulldog and they keep the ones that don't have that fucked up looking tail but I wish I was in Louisiana that's alot closer but if u ever have pup and you wanna send your bloodline so when the dog is full grown and evey will ask were did you get I would tell them I don't know how to use CZcams but I'm gonna have someone show me but what happened to my American bulldog ooh and he was a big boy when I was in the south I let him run on the land and couldn't prove it but the dog was poisoned and I had got discount fr a friend 2500 monster but I know cash is king but if u ever wanna get your bloodline up here and I wouldn't breed to no one o want as family dog and as a family protection and eventually when I could afford I would get another from you of your choosing that you wanted to breed back to male but I hope you get this message and we can work something out (203)850-1342 thanks even if you read message but hopefully maybe you can make my family's dream come true have a good day just being around those beautiful dogs you've bred