I'm still in shock that I've found a CZcams channel in 2018 that: A. Doesn't use click bait titles and thumbnails B. Doesn't use annoying ukulele / xylophone or EDM music throughout the video C. Organizes the videos perfectly D. Actually enunciates words so people can understand them clearly E. Isn't trying to sell me t-shirts or get me to donate to patreon. F. Doesn't steal other people's content And most importantly G. All of the above in one channel Best subscription I've ever made lol.
I agree with everything you just said except for the Patreon part. With the conservative team youtube and aftermath of the adpocalypse, content creators need a way to pay their bills. Donations are necessary.
Don't let Master Lock find out about this or thier next product will be a Velcro based locking system. Tho thinking about it now, it might be more pick resistent than thier current lineup...
Well, the advantage of cable locks is that they are long, flexible and light. I think most people just don’t think about their lock’s security and just use whatever’s convenient.
Newsflash...you're getting tunnel vision on bikes. This vid and channel says more about society than ' bikes '. This applies to everything you own, including your house/aptmt, vehicle etc and 100% of the contents inside. There are over 2 million people in prison in the US and that's only bc there isn't enough to hold the 20 million that should be in there. There are millions of predators out there who will straight up knock out an 85 yr old woman for 30 bucks and not give a shit if she dies in the process. Bikes are the least of your worries. Save your money for a Glock.
Remember he was using the cheapest tool he could physically find that he thought would stand some kind of a chance. A thief would probably go for a tool that is slightly more expensive and slightly more suited to cutting steel cables.
I, like most of my friends, have this as a complement to the shackle lock to keep people from just releasing the front wheel and walking off with it. Wheels lost without it: two in one year. Wheels lost while using it for the last eight years - zero.
I see an awful lot of People who use those Locks as their main and single lock to secure bikes, that are triple the value of my piece of Junk. Tough I suppose even tough it's a city of 500k, crime rates seem to be quite low here. Tires getting stolen - even with quick release - that rarely happens here. And bike theft is pretty low, I'm glad to say. So anything, even just a detterent, will prevent the worst things here, unless the bike is very valuable.
This is why I like this channel. No 7 minute intro for about 1 minute of actual content. Just an explanation for whats about to happen, and then the actual content.
Whew, just found this channel recently. It's quite comfy spending the evening looking at you tear down and brutalise all kinds of locks. Got a basic picking set on the way and am going to try my hand at this. Seems like a useful skill to have. Keep up the great work man.
Junkies over here in Amsterdam do this with the cheapest wirecutters. They simply pretend to have bummed out next to your bike and start nibbling away at the strands under their coat. It might take an hour or so, but it's simple, quiet and very stealthy. Wire bicycle locks are no good over here, you might just as well give your bike to the next bum passing by. Only a hefty chain with serious lock connecting your bike to something solid will stand a chance. As allways, great video.
I live in Finland and own a Jopo (a very popular simple bike, which as new costs about 350-400€) and those are a very common steal here. Usually you can see them around with one lock on the body securing the rear tyre and a wire lock "securing" the bike to a post. Mine has 4 locks: kryptonite U-lock to secure it from frame to a post, a lock on the frame for rear tyre, and 2 wire locks (one for front tyre and one for saddle, so no one steals just those parts). So every time I use it I need to open 3 locks. Better safe than sorry.
I am no expert. Not even a "lock enthusiast". Stumbled on your content randomly. But even I always knew cables only protect against "toolless" thieves. Great channel and interesting videos 👍👍👍
You did that the hard way. Even though it wasn't very hard. I think smaller bites, followed by a final big one, would have been easier and maybe nearly as fast.
I use cable locks because they are convenient and keep the honest thieves honest. Most are opportunists and the slightest bit of defense will deter the majority. If someone wants to get something bad enough they will find a way. Having said that, What is your recommendation for a cable lock that has the highest security? I use a very thick stranded cable and a war-lok padlock at present.
I have seen locks that are very thick cable locks. Most if the time I see thieves using the cable cutters and guess what....sometimes they just pull hard and defeat the cable lock too.
Cables are literally a complete waste of time. Kryptonite sell a light weight short length dlock that weighs about 700g and is much better than any cable.
I recommed all of Lock Picking Lawyer's videos. He is the master of picking locks. You will want to buy better locks after watching how easy he picks or cuts even the highest priced Master and Brinks locks sold at the Big Box stores.
Cable locks are only good for locking the front wheel and seat of your bike. Rear wheel and frame locked with good U lock that locks on both sides of shackle. Or a thick hardened security chain. Never use cables for the whole bike/frame! Even for quick stops, look how quick that was.
hey man. i havent checked out a lot of your stuff but i just subscribed. a video popped up in my feed out of nowhere. i am impressed with your skill and video quality.. im pretty sure me binging some King Of Random made you show up some how lol
This is common knowledge. I would like to see this tool used against the Bell Ballistic Armored cable, that you featured earlier. To see if there is a significant time delay, or if it is quicker to pick.
Thieves use wire cutters and sometimes no tools at all. Yes...sometimes the cable locks is defeated by pulling hard enough .....just look at the litelok.....it can be defeated with a pulling/twisting attack
I use a U lock, secured to a post/rack through the rear wheel & frame of the bike. My cable goes through the front wheel & my helmet, and is locked to the U lock. Cables are crap for securing the whole bike, but they're a reasonably lightweight addition to allow for securing both wheels at once.
SAI Peregrinus one time I forgot my lock and just just bluffed it. Left my bike lying against a sign post while I went to the dentist in the city centre. I still have that bike so I guess just move to a low crime area
@@user46346bdtgry I did the same thing, although in an area where it's not very likely to get stolen, when I forgot my key and I was late already so I just threaded the cable through it and made it look like it was locked, when I came back after a few hours someone said "nice bike" and I said yeah it wasn't even locked and they couldn't believe it.
That type of cable saved my bike from being stolen because it was attached to a oxford alarm-d , Both easy to cut but a nightmare to do without making the alarm go off. Had 3 other locks on it and another cable to a xena xx14 which makes loads of noise .
Based on your previous videos, you would suggest an inch thick diamond impregnated titanium alloy U lock with a center tensioning 6+ disk; disk detainer lock. Am I getting close?
Honestly I'm surprised it lasted so long. I'm someone who used to use the cheapest of cable locks, and probably still would had circumstances not changed. But not I no longer cycle and I have an abundance of motorbike locks there's no real reason for me to use a cable lock. Still, I've learnt a huge amount about simply how poor some locks are and how oversold the protection of most locks is. The biggest shift in mindset was going from thinking locks are impossible to defeat, and learning to think in terms of delay and skillset required.
Here in Germany, our police and us bikemechanics, are calling these locks "gift ribbon for thiefes"! ;o) But anyway: each lock, even if cheap, is better than no lock at all. I do often recommend using two of these kinda locks. Makes the thief look for an easier victim. And thats what you want to achieve! ;o)
you should have affiliate linked those cutters - I have just spent over an hour trying to find the exact ones and I think I am pretty close, but not 100% sure. If you had a link to click you'd have made a fair few quid I think. Something to consider my friend.
The key thing to remember here, as anywhere, is cost versus value. For a small initial cost, any of these handtools offers a thief significant value because they can be used repeatedly. The cheaper snips like these might not be good for more than a dozen of these cables before they become too blunt to make it through in a timely manner, but that brings the overall price to roughly a buck per trophy. The more expensive ratcheting cutters will probably be good for dozens if not triple-digit trophies, meaning their end cost is pennies. If you steal a couple-dozen bikes per day, that's potentially hundreds or even thousands of dollars of profit.
I noticed so many companies state 12mm cable. They are technically aren't lying about the measurement but some companies are using thinner metal cables and thicker rubber tubing. I can see it through the see through tubing. Even with the thicker metal cables inside, I don't think it makes a significant difference in time to cut. I am surprised that it was that quick to cut with such a small wire cutter. I see so many bikes in the +$1k range that are locked up with cable locks. I have combination cable locks and a bunch of accessory cables. Only cables to lock the front wheel and helmet for me. I have a kick scooter and I wouldn't even trust cable lock for that.
I have a Master Lock #8119 cable lock I use to secure my lawn mower. Today I found one of the dials wasn't working (it turns but doesn't click). Since I can't open the lock, I'm going to try and cut through it. Thanks for your advice. I hope I can make it work.
A good video that adequately demonstrates why I wouldn't use cable locks. Armoured cable locks present much more of a cutting challenge. The 'Kryptonite Keeper Value Armoured Cable Lock' as one good budget lock example at just £17.99. Can't say much for Kryptonite's choice of cores though!
There is an endless supply of wire-cutter-shaped objects out there which are so blunt and misaligned that they can barely cut anything. I have a feeling that those sorts of tools are what people are basing their expectations upon. That said, I wonder why nobody makes cable locks with a hardened solid wire in the core. It would be a bit stiffer, but most diagonal cutters aren't rated for hardened wire like guy wire or messenger strands in ACSR . It'll just put a nice notch in the jaws. It could still be defeated if nicked and bent back and forth, but with all the surrounding cable strands needing to be cut too (with likely damaged jaws), it turns into a much more frustrating (and likely bloody) mess. ... although I guess the rubber jacket actually makes it safer for the person trying to cut the cable.
Tool steels can be quite hard, anything significantly harder than that is brittle. So you'd end up with a rigid heavy lock that offers no advantage over a U-lock.
I suppose it's fair enough to assume that cable locks in general exist simply to fill the lower end retail market. Still, we should know well enough by now that price is rarely a good indicator of quality. I'm sure there are plenty of lock designs out there which were more expensive to manufacture, but are ultimately less secure. I have to be suspect of conspicuous use of things like carbon fiber where it serves no purpose but marketing.
I never mentioned tool steel anything. I mentioned steel wire. Most of these cables appear to be something like a 7/19 strand configuration. I simply mentioned replacing the center bundle with a solid wire -- a change which does not significantly increase the weight of the cable. Would it be stiffer? Yes. I already mentioned that. The wire used for electrical supports is (as far as I know) not a steel with considerable alloy content or even a high carbon content. It's simply hard due to being work hardened. This kind of wire is utterly ubquitous in utilities, and is neither brittle or expensive. Would it be harder to cut than a U-lock? That's not really the point I was striking at. A U-lock is not a cable lock, nor does it necessarily meet the application requirements of what a person might expect from a cable lock. The goal wasn't to make a cable lock that's better than all other possible locks -- simply a cable lock that's better than other cable locks (at least against such simple attacks)
I feed indeed too do done maths (yeah maths not math I an English) and thought to myself. Well a chunky cable like the one LPL was demonstrating would keep my bike safe for say around 20 minutes without specialist tools. That would be ok if I was only intending to spend 10 minutes in the shop. This video has blown my maths out the water.
cable locks are only good for using together with a decent lock, I use it to thread through the front and back wheel so that people can't undo them and walk away without using any tools. I also sometimes use it to attach the bike to something if it's too far for the lock to reach it, and just put the lock around the back wheel and frame so that it can't be ridden away even if they cut the cable.
If I had more experience I'm sure I could have done it, but I had an old cable lock on my bike that I had forgotten the combo to. I took a cheap multi tool (Ozark Trail I think) and used the wire cutter on it and almost got through the entire thing. Fairly confident I would have if I actually had experience cutting wires.
heyy!! YOU only got close! Let me be clear!!! the Kleins and Channellock 9 inch leverage linemans pliers can go through ANY cable lock in 3 seconds!! 1 squeeze or 2 squeezes and you're through. Any cable
It would have been even faster and required less overall strength if you had used the tip of the cutters to cut through a thinner cross-section of the cable. Basically, cut to turn the O into a D, then rotate and cut again to take off another chunk, repeat until you've made it all the way around, and then make one final cut through the cable.
I've used side cutters to remove some heads from bolts. A bike lock made of wire stands no chance since they are literally made from the very thing side cutters excel at cutting through
Just a heads up, idk if you caught it or not but Philip defranco (pretty huge youtuber) has been linking your vids in his "secret link" on his vids. Just wondered if you even knew who he was.
Nice tool review lol. I was looking at getting a pair of those Stanley compound action dikes. Lowes sells a pair of mini bolt cutters that size that work fairly well. I use them to cut nails and welding electrodes. Cheap, too. The first pair lasted me about a year and a half (lifetime warranty, though and I used them A LOT). Kobalt Model 55767. I also have a pair of HK Porter's the same size that are AWESOME, but cost 4 times as much.
I was just watching your pipe wrench video where you broke the hasp off of the door and thinking "you should do a video where you test different types of cables and hasps because a great lock on a dollar store chain is still crap"
It's even easier to cut than he makes it look. If you pinch the cable a couple millimeters at a time with the tip of the cutters, you can very easily cut through even quicker. You're kind of shearing it instead of chopping it.
Imagine how much faster mini bolt cutters would have done that. Very common, very inexpensive. I don't think anyone really understands how not secure something is until it's gone.
Can you recommend a decent set of inexpensive beginner lock picking tools. I am 63 and took my western electric phone apart at age six. Locks are one of the few things I have not played with over the years and would like to.
Just have to point out that even the weakest locks will greatly lower the chance of your bike getting stolen. At least in my area most bike thefts are made by drunk people or narcomans who use it to get near their home/shelter and throw it to the ditch after few km's and having any mean to stop them from just driving away will help :D
It's a lot easier to cut with proper technique. Bunched wires are stronger than individuals. Instead of getting the entire cable as deep into the mouth of the cutters as possible, pinch with the tip of the cutters at the edge of the cable and saw your way through. Much faster.
As you have been exploring bike security in re cable locks, U locks etc, can you elaborate on the locks used on car mount bike racks? Think the Yakima brand and similar where the rack clamps the forks, then has a small lock to keep the clamp handle from being opened. I suspect you can pick them fairly easily, but it would be interesting to see the relative security when the bike is on top of the car while stopped at a highway rest area or in front of a motel overnight.
Can you make a playlist for locks you actually Recommend, I mean it seems like you can pick anything, but for us average Joe's, what's a good bike lock to get in your opinion?
I know no bicycle locks are thief proof, but what would you recommend to at least delay the process or make the thief make a lot of noise to have a chance of not getting your bike stolen?
Calfa2x they are all pretty much the same, sadly. This is a job more for going in person in a for real shop. Just go with the thickest, heaviest shackle you can find, and make sure the key way is recessed deep enough to be terribly inconvenient to pick. Look at the amount of money the company selling the lock is willing to back and see if that’s enough to replace your bike. Buy two and use them
As a bicyclist I will make a statement as clear as possible.... If you see a 1,000$ bike with a cheap cable lock do not bother trying to steal it because it is a bait bike placed there by the police.
Thats right, LPL takes another myth and shows us what the reality of the situation really is. For myself, i found another use for my cable lock, Fishing weight. Lol Ty again LPL
Just get some cable cutters from Home Depot. Greenlee 727 or Klein 63050 will cut steel no problem for awhile. Cheaper versions are a plenty and just as easy to hide as a pair of diagonal pliers.
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I'm still in shock that I've found a CZcams channel in 2018 that:
A. Doesn't use click bait titles and thumbnails
B. Doesn't use annoying ukulele / xylophone or EDM music throughout the video
C. Organizes the videos perfectly
D. Actually enunciates words so people can understand them clearly
E. Isn't trying to sell me t-shirts or get me to donate to patreon.
F. Doesn't steal other people's content
And most importantly
G. All of the above in one channel
Best subscription I've ever made lol.
So, the lawyer is fairly honest then?? Unimaginable.
an honest lawyer?
(no offense lpl)
I'm imagining LPL shopping for a ukelele right now!
I agree with everything you just said except for the Patreon part. With the conservative team youtube and aftermath of the adpocalypse, content creators need a way to pay their bills. Donations are necessary.
They have good reason to beg for patreon if their vids are demonetized.
The velcro is stronger than the wire..
hahah yep
😂😂😂
Don't let Master Lock find out about this or thier next product will be a Velcro based locking system. Tho thinking about it now, it might be more pick resistent than thier current lineup...
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Just made your comment into 800 likes and Lockpickinglawyer's to 80 😉
The thing he never shows is his 20-inch Popeye forearms ;)
LPL is actually jacked and on steriods and meth. He could bite through these with his teeth.
Consider this cable picked
And gutted.
CUT - that's a wrap
it's amazing that people need constant reminding and demonstration about how insecure their locks really are
Well, the advantage of cable locks is that they are long, flexible and light. I think most people just don’t think about their lock’s security and just use whatever’s convenient.
It’s one of those things that people don’t like to think about or think it won’t happen to them but once it has then they will upgrade their security
Newsflash...you're getting tunnel vision on bikes. This vid and channel says more about society than ' bikes '. This applies to everything you own, including your house/aptmt, vehicle etc and 100% of the contents inside. There are over 2 million people in prison in the US and that's only bc there isn't enough to hold the 20 million that should be in there. There are millions of predators out there who will straight up knock out an 85 yr old woman for 30 bucks and not give a shit if she dies in the process. Bikes are the least of your worries. Save your money for a Glock.
well that escalated quickly...
Wow those stats are fantastic. Find the root.
That wasn't so quick! It took twice as long as undoing the velcro!
Use 2 velcros and then your set 👍
I thought that too and gagged on my chips when I read your comment.
Remember he was using the cheapest tool he could physically find that he thought would stand some kind of a chance. A thief would probably go for a tool that is slightly more expensive and slightly more suited to cutting steel cables.
The velcro gave up more of a fight than the cable did 😂
😂
I, like most of my friends, have this as a complement to the shackle lock to keep people from just releasing the front wheel and walking off with it. Wheels lost without it: two in one year. Wheels lost while using it for the last eight years - zero.
I see an awful lot of People who use those Locks as their main and single lock to secure bikes, that are triple the value of my piece of Junk.
Tough I suppose even tough it's a city of 500k, crime rates seem to be quite low here. Tires getting stolen - even with quick release - that rarely happens here. And bike theft is pretty low, I'm glad to say. So anything, even just a detterent, will prevent the worst things here, unless the bike is very valuable.
Where do you live?
Well done. I am so happy you did this one with VERY simple tools. If this does not send the point home, nothing will....
Lock company: He's just super strong, that's all.
This is why I like this channel. No 7 minute intro for about 1 minute of actual content. Just an explanation for whats about to happen, and then the actual content.
The velcro strap that held the cable together, probably offers similar security. Nice demonstration.
He just didn't bother to remove it from the last demonstration.
Whew, just found this channel recently. It's quite comfy spending the evening looking at you tear down and brutalise all kinds of locks.
Got a basic picking set on the way and am going to try my hand at this. Seems like a useful skill to have. Keep up the great work man.
I missed the "Okay... nothing on one... so is two... little click out of three..."
Lmao
Have you noticed that LPL expected it would take him 30 seconds and it took him pricisely 30 seconds? I love this guy's perfection :-)
Junkies over here in Amsterdam do this with the cheapest wirecutters. They simply pretend to have bummed out next to your bike and start nibbling away at the strands under their coat. It might take an hour or so, but it's simple, quiet and very stealthy. Wire bicycle locks are no good over here, you might just as well give your bike to the next bum passing by. Only a hefty chain with serious lock connecting your bike to something solid will stand a chance.
As allways, great video.
I live in Finland and own a Jopo (a very popular simple bike, which as new costs about 350-400€) and those are a very common steal here. Usually you can see them around with one lock on the body securing the rear tyre and a wire lock "securing" the bike to a post. Mine has 4 locks: kryptonite U-lock to secure it from frame to a post, a lock on the frame for rear tyre, and 2 wire locks (one for front tyre and one for saddle, so no one steals just those parts). So every time I use it I need to open 3 locks. Better safe than sorry.
I am no expert.
Not even a "lock enthusiast".
Stumbled on your content randomly.
But even I always knew cables only protect against "toolless" thieves.
Great channel and interesting videos 👍👍👍
You did that the hard way. Even though it wasn't very hard. I think smaller bites, followed by a final big one, would have been easier and maybe nearly as fast.
Thank you for supporting my reason to sell higher quality locks at the bike I work at.
I U-Lock AND cable my bike properly and thanks to your videos I'm always sweating about whether or not my bike is stolen when I can't see it.
I use cable locks because they are convenient and keep the honest thieves honest. Most are opportunists and the slightest bit of defense will deter the majority. If someone wants to get something bad enough they will find a way. Having said that, What is your recommendation for a cable lock that has the highest security? I use a very thick stranded cable and a war-lok padlock at present.
I have seen locks that are very thick cable locks.
Most if the time I see thieves using the cable cutters and guess what....sometimes they just pull hard and defeat the cable lock too.
u saw it.., u can cut a cable lock string by string and thickness doesn't matter..
Don’t use a cable lock.
Cables are literally a complete waste of time. Kryptonite sell a light weight short length dlock that weighs about 700g and is much better than any cable.
When you actually don't have a bike but you still watch this video and get more knowledge xd
Keep watching and you'll obtain at least 3 bike every day.
Somehow your profile picture fits your comment.😂👌
makes sense
Now you can get your own bike :D
I think it's worth noting that the lock takes some time and effort to cut, and that helps in the event of a momentary stop.
I recommed all of Lock Picking Lawyer's videos.
He is the master of picking locks.
You will want to buy better locks after watching how easy he picks or cuts even the highest priced Master and Brinks locks sold at the Big Box stores.
Cable locks are only good for locking the front wheel and seat of your bike. Rear wheel and frame locked with good U lock that locks on both sides of shackle.
Or a thick hardened security chain.
Never use cables for the whole bike/frame! Even for quick stops, look how quick that was.
hey man. i havent checked out a lot of your stuff but i just subscribed. a video popped up in my feed out of nowhere. i am impressed with your skill and video quality.. im pretty sure me binging some King Of Random made you show up some how lol
Welcome to locksport! Go check out LPLs ramset videos, they're probably right up your alley
This is common knowledge. I would like to see this tool used against the Bell Ballistic Armored cable, that you featured earlier. To see if there is a significant time delay, or if it is quicker to pick.
Thieves use wire cutters and sometimes no tools at all. Yes...sometimes the cable locks is defeated by pulling hard enough .....just look at the litelok.....it can be defeated with a pulling/twisting attack
I use a U lock, secured to a post/rack through the rear wheel & frame of the bike. My cable goes through the front wheel & my helmet, and is locked to the U lock. Cables are crap for securing the whole bike, but they're a reasonably lightweight addition to allow for securing both wheels at once.
SAI Peregrinus one time I forgot my lock and just just bluffed it. Left my bike lying against a sign post while I went to the dentist in the city centre. I still have that bike so I guess just move to a low crime area
@@user46346bdtgry I did the same thing, although in an area where it's not very likely to get stolen, when I forgot my key and I was late already so I just threaded the cable through it and made it look like it was locked, when I came back after a few hours someone said "nice bike" and I said yeah it wasn't even locked and they couldn't believe it.
That type of cable saved my bike from being stolen because it was attached to a oxford alarm-d ,
Both easy to cut but a nightmare to do without making the alarm go off.
Had 3 other locks on it and another cable to a xena xx14 which makes loads of noise .
Based on your previous videos, you would suggest an inch thick diamond impregnated titanium alloy U lock with a center tensioning 6+ disk; disk detainer lock.
Am I getting close?
Be careful with that, someone may want to break your bike and steal your lock.
Well mate, you should buy a lock that's secure enough for how expensive your bike is and for where you live
Property is only yours as far as you can defend it from the other guy wanting to make it his property.
Honestly titanium isn't better than a good steel
William Apodaca gonna be a lot lighter thou, Imprtant for a bike.
Honestly I'm surprised it lasted so long. I'm someone who used to use the cheapest of cable locks, and probably still would had circumstances not changed. But not I no longer cycle and I have an abundance of motorbike locks there's no real reason for me to use a cable lock. Still, I've learnt a huge amount about simply how poor some locks are and how oversold the protection of most locks is. The biggest shift in mindset was going from thinking locks are impossible to defeat, and learning to think in terms of delay and skillset required.
Lockpickinglawyer do you think you could design a lock that will be unpickable?
Here in Germany, our police and us bikemechanics, are calling these locks "gift ribbon for thiefes"! ;o)
But anyway: each lock, even if cheap, is better than no lock at all. I do often recommend using two of these kinda locks. Makes the thief look for an easier victim. And thats what you want to achieve! ;o)
"And tomorrow, we'll see how well this cable lock hold up against the Ramset."
We had cable locksnon HMMVs and it took me forever to get the cable cut. Bolt cutters just mashed it up.
You can buy doubled up pliers for sea fishing for around 30 USD. They're made to cut fishing hooks apart so they make small work of these locks.
I like the loud breathing ”Mmhhmmhmh” ”uhmhmhm”
You can use “regular” bolt cutters on the swage, very easy and quicker than cutting the actual cable. A 24 inch standard bolt cutter will work.
you should have affiliate linked those cutters - I have just spent over an hour trying to find the exact ones and I think I am pretty close, but not 100% sure. If you had a link to click you'd have made a fair few quid I think. Something to consider my friend.
The key thing to remember here, as anywhere, is cost versus value. For a small initial cost, any of these handtools offers a thief significant value because they can be used repeatedly. The cheaper snips like these might not be good for more than a dozen of these cables before they become too blunt to make it through in a timely manner, but that brings the overall price to roughly a buck per trophy. The more expensive ratcheting cutters will probably be good for dozens if not triple-digit trophies, meaning their end cost is pennies. If you steal a couple-dozen bikes per day, that's potentially hundreds or even thousands of dollars of profit.
I noticed so many companies state 12mm cable. They are technically aren't lying about the measurement but some companies are using thinner metal cables and thicker rubber tubing. I can see it through the see through tubing. Even with the thicker metal cables inside, I don't think it makes a significant difference in time to cut. I am surprised that it was that quick to cut with such a small wire cutter. I see so many bikes in the +$1k range that are locked up with cable locks. I have combination cable locks and a bunch of accessory cables. Only cables to lock the front wheel and helmet for me. I have a kick scooter and I wouldn't even trust cable lock for that.
I have a Master Lock #8119 cable lock I use to secure my lawn mower. Today I found one of the dials wasn't working (it turns but doesn't click). Since I can't open the lock, I'm going to try and cut through it. Thanks for your advice. I hope I can make it work.
Thabk you.Great and informative video. Do you think a chain is more reliable than a cable?
A good video that adequately demonstrates why I wouldn't use cable locks. Armoured cable locks present much more of a cutting challenge. The 'Kryptonite Keeper Value Armoured Cable Lock' as one good budget lock example at just £17.99. Can't say much for Kryptonite's choice of cores though!
There is an endless supply of wire-cutter-shaped objects out there which are so blunt and misaligned that they can barely cut anything. I have a feeling that those sorts of tools are what people are basing their expectations upon.
That said, I wonder why nobody makes cable locks with a hardened solid wire in the core. It would be a bit stiffer, but most diagonal cutters aren't rated for hardened wire like guy wire or messenger strands in ACSR . It'll just put a nice notch in the jaws. It could still be defeated if nicked and bent back and forth, but with all the surrounding cable strands needing to be cut too (with likely damaged jaws), it turns into a much more frustrating (and likely bloody) mess. ... although I guess the rubber jacket actually makes it safer for the person trying to cut the cable.
Tool steels can be quite hard, anything significantly harder than that is brittle. So you'd end up with a rigid heavy lock that offers no advantage over a U-lock.
I suppose it's fair enough to assume that cable locks in general exist simply to fill the lower end retail market. Still, we should know well enough by now that price is rarely a good indicator of quality. I'm sure there are plenty of lock designs out there which were more expensive to manufacture, but are ultimately less secure. I have to be suspect of conspicuous use of things like carbon fiber where it serves no purpose but marketing.
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I never mentioned tool steel anything. I mentioned steel wire. Most of these cables appear to be something like a 7/19 strand configuration. I simply mentioned replacing the center bundle with a solid wire -- a change which does not significantly increase the weight of the cable. Would it be stiffer? Yes. I already mentioned that.
The wire used for electrical supports is (as far as I know) not a steel with considerable alloy content or even a high carbon content. It's simply hard due to being work hardened. This kind of wire is utterly ubquitous in utilities, and is neither brittle or expensive.
Would it be harder to cut than a U-lock? That's not really the point I was striking at. A U-lock is not a cable lock, nor does it necessarily meet the application requirements of what a person might expect from a cable lock. The goal wasn't to make a cable lock that's better than all other possible locks -- simply a cable lock that's better than other cable locks (at least against such simple attacks)
As soon as this cable heard "This is the Lock Picking Lawyer" it should have given up and just fell in half
Man, gotta love when CZcams randomly sends you a million views one day.
Also gotta love how many channels I've seen stealing your content since that
I believe mortice locks and safes are needed more in videos
I feed indeed too do done maths (yeah maths not math I an English) and thought to myself.
Well a chunky cable like the one LPL was demonstrating would keep my bike safe for say around 20 minutes without specialist tools. That would be ok if I was only intending to spend 10 minutes in the shop. This video has blown my maths out the water.
Ok I should have checked that message before sending it
A lock only keeps an honest man honest.
cable locks are only good for using together with a decent lock, I use it to thread through the front and back wheel so that people can't undo them and walk away without using any tools. I also sometimes use it to attach the bike to something if it's too far for the lock to reach it, and just put the lock around the back wheel and frame so that it can't be ridden away even if they cut the cable.
You should test out that Bluish cable lock called Brinks that they sell at Walmart. I would love to see how durable it is.
They are rubbish. I'm in the UK and won't use it. The lock is garbage. 9mm Square sided chain and a good lever padlock is my favourite
If I had more experience I'm sure I could have done it, but I had an old cable lock on my bike that I had forgotten the combo to. I took a cheap multi tool (Ozark Trail I think) and used the wire cutter on it and almost got through the entire thing. Fairly confident I would have if I actually had experience cutting wires.
heyy!! YOU only got close! Let me be clear!!! the Kleins and Channellock 9 inch leverage linemans pliers can go through ANY cable lock in 3 seconds!! 1 squeeze or 2 squeezes and you're through. Any cable
I've used adjustable pliers with side cutters for max force.
It would have been even faster and required less overall strength if you had used the tip of the cutters to cut through a thinner cross-section of the cable. Basically, cut to turn the O into a D, then rotate and cut again to take off another chunk, repeat until you've made it all the way around, and then make one final cut through the cable.
I have a moped chain lock on my bicycle. It's a master lock but it has a disc detainer core. At least people can't rake that open in 3 seconds...
I've used side cutters to remove some heads from bolts. A bike lock made of wire stands no chance since they are literally made from the very thing side cutters excel at cutting through
Excellent video
I love your ending as always have a nice day .... it's like bye felicia to the security company's in my opinion lol
I'm going to lock my bike up with that Velcro - it took longer to get through that than the cable
Cable locks are useful as a secondary with a decent chain, for extra pain in the arse and to hold the seat etc. Not fit for 2 min as a sole lock
Vise grips are more common and work well too.
Just a heads up, idk if you caught it or not but Philip defranco (pretty huge youtuber) has been linking your vids in his "secret link" on his vids. Just wondered if you even knew who he was.
Nice tool review lol. I was looking at getting a pair of those Stanley compound action dikes. Lowes sells a pair of mini bolt cutters that size that work fairly well. I use them to cut nails and welding electrodes. Cheap, too. The first pair lasted me about a year and a half (lifetime warranty, though and I used them A LOT). Kobalt Model 55767. I also have a pair of HK Porter's the same size that are AWESOME, but cost 4 times as much.
Security is just an illusion ! Thanks.
In Germany the police call this kind of locks "gift ribbons"
I was just watching your pipe wrench video where you broke the hasp off of the door and thinking "you should do a video where you test different types of cables and hasps because a great lock on a dollar store chain is still crap"
Nice video! It's better to buy a U-lock for better bike theft prevention.
KNIPEX 71 12 200 should also cut that like butter. It doesn't open very widely but it should still do the job.
Thank you for your info. I'd like to see more of gun lock reviews
I have used regular scissors to cut through that believe it or not.
It's even easier to cut than he makes it look. If you pinch the cable a couple millimeters at a time with the tip of the cutters, you can very easily cut through even quicker. You're kind of shearing it instead of chopping it.
Imagine how much faster mini bolt cutters would have done that. Very common, very inexpensive.
I don't think anyone really understands how not secure something is until it's gone.
Can you recommend a decent set of inexpensive beginner lock picking tools. I am 63 and took my western electric phone apart at age six. Locks are one of the few things I have not played with over the years and would like to.
I think I've asked before, but what about the armored cable locks? The ones with "hardened" steel sheaths around the cable.
Just have to point out that even the weakest locks will greatly lower the chance of your bike getting stolen.
At least in my area most bike thefts are made by drunk people or narcomans who use it to get near their home/shelter and throw it to the ditch after few km's and having any mean to stop them from just driving away will help :D
Cut start at 1:45, cable failure at 2:18, 33 second cut, probably less time than it takes most people to enter a combination.
Decimated! Great video brother
It's a lot easier to cut with proper technique. Bunched wires are stronger than individuals. Instead of getting the entire cable as deep into the mouth of the cutters as possible, pinch with the tip of the cutters at the edge of the cable and saw your way through. Much faster.
As you have been exploring bike security in re cable locks, U locks etc, can you elaborate on the locks used on car mount bike racks? Think the Yakima brand and similar where the rack clamps the forks, then has a small lock to keep the clamp handle from being opened. I suspect you can pick them fairly easily, but it would be interesting to see the relative security when the bike is on top of the car while stopped at a highway rest area or in front of a motel overnight.
Thule is the other major brand of roof racks.
Can you make a playlist for locks you actually Recommend, I mean it seems like you can pick anything, but for us average Joe's, what's a good bike lock to get in your opinion?
Ramset the cable just because you can 😂😂
What was the diameter of that cable? Would a 22mm diameter fair any better?
It took you longer to remove the Velcro... moral of story, Velcro is more secure than bicycle cable
Does the diameter of the cable make much difference? Giant do a 15mm one.
I know no bicycle locks are thief proof, but what would you recommend to at least delay the process or make the thief make a lot of noise to have a chance of not getting your bike stolen?
Calfa2x double up on a good half inch U lock.
Do you have any recommended brands?
An amazon link would be amazing as well.
Calfa2x they are all pretty much the same, sadly. This is a job more for going in person in a for real shop. Just go with the thickest, heaviest shackle you can find, and make sure the key way is recessed deep enough to be terribly inconvenient to pick. Look at the amount of money the company selling the lock is willing to back and see if that’s enough to replace your bike.
Buy two and use them
We want to know what is the best and strongest lock to keep your bike safe from thief's when you go into town as bike got stolen a few months ago
World's best lock picker stumped by a piece of velcro :)
What about hardened treated cables? Do they make them for these locks to make it difficult.....
Ok but what other options are there for locking up bikes? At least this stops them if they don’t come with wire cutters.
As a bicyclist I will make a statement as clear as possible.... If you see a 1,000$ bike with a cheap cable lock do not bother trying to steal it because it is a bait bike placed there by the police.
Can you do a test on how resistant these cable locks are to a common hacksaw? (Love your destructive tests BTW :D )
No test needed, I can tell you hacksaw goes through like hot knife thru butter.
Dude was just defeated by Velcro. 1:33 lol
So which lock should I get when I want my bike not to be stolen for at least 10 minutes.
Thats right, LPL takes another myth and shows us what the reality of the situation really is.
For myself, i found another use for my cable lock, Fishing weight. Lol
Ty again LPL
Thank you
Just get some cable cutters from Home Depot. Greenlee 727 or Klein 63050 will cut steel no problem for awhile. Cheaper versions are a plenty and just as easy to hide as a pair of diagonal pliers.
@LockPickingLawyer Do you any recommendations? Both heavier impenetrable options and also lighter weight for travel?