Daenerys was always a monster in the making - Game of Thrones
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This video contains spoilers from Game of Thrones up through and including Season 8, Episode 5
A quick look back at the clues that Daenerys was always a monster in the making in Game of Thrones. The madness of Daenerys explained.
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This needs to get about 50 million views. So many seem to believe the only correct and plausible ending to GOT was that Daenerys became the Messiah who saved Westeros. I am tempted to ask them: "Are you serious? Would that be GOT?". On the other hand, it is partly because you are spot on that people are so angry. Dany did such a fantastic job, not only of manupilating other characters, but the viewers as well. Sometimes it is exactly the geniusness of the writers that make the audience convinced they have failed. Another great posting from Wow Lynch Wow, and maybe the most important.
I don't think this is true at all. It is evident that she had violent and Ruthless impulses. What most people (that I am seeing) are complaining about is the way it was set up and led up to.
This did not feel earned. Same with Arya and the Night King. It's not that SHE did it, it's that it came out of nowhere. Please don't strawman like this. To be fair I am watching critical videos that tend to be well formulated, maybe the twitter and reddit mob thinks differently.
What are you talking about? I have absolutely no problem with Daenerys becoming the mad queen. I have a problem with the poor way it was done.
@@holysecret2 :There is some truth to your first point. Some critics simply think the last season was to rushed. However, for those who are really angry (rather than somewhat critical) I believe my assesment is correct. So I am referring to them rather than strawmanning. On your second point I disagree. Aryas is a highly qualified assasin trained by the Faceless Men. One of their qualities is exactly that they seem to appear out of nowhere, as Jaqen H'ghar proved at Harrenhal.
behageli , yes, you nailed it!
@@behageli Your telling me Arya learned teleportation in her training. :3
The only difference between Danaerys in Season 3 and Danaerys in Season 8 is you didn't like the people she was butchering in Season 3.
Isnt that true for every single main charatcer? Arya massacres 3-4 generations of a family. Robb hangs an innocent watcher who was forced to watch.Jon hangs a little kid. Sansa feeds an unarmed prisoner to dogs
I will say it again, people like you are the worst hypocrites. No one is saying Dany was some rightful gteat hero. Only that its weird you guys ingore deeds of all others named above and someone only pin point Dany?
And before you name me some Dany stan or something, i hated Dany most of the time, but i hate hypocrisy even more
BINGO!!!!
Here's the thing though people only thought the people she was butchering were evil but we're they or did she just say they were to justify her actions to herself her image and keep people be living the lie. Because for example just because someone wears a masters cloak does not mean they are bad they could've just been born into that family maybe they were against slavery like that one guy one of the merrenese nobles pointed out this father spoke out against the slavery. So the real truth is people just believed she was doing good because her mantra her advertising pretty words said that she was. But when we look really pay attention to what the facts are we can see the truth that she was prejudice and judged people without even giving them trials or a chance to prove they weren't guilty she just killed them relentlessly no fairness law system nothing but what's funny is she does believe herself to be perfect because if the roles are reversed and they have been she expects mercy or to bend the knee if people in westeros had done what she did to the merrenese nobles she would be dead because her father was the mad king and they would've judged her and been biased because she is his daughter. She is a hypocrite and double standard
The irony is that her ending up the villain isn’t an unexpected twist in any way. She’s been committing violent murders since season 1, she outright told us she intended to burn cities to the ground in Season 2. She lied to get an army of slaves while preaching about freedoms and executed every Astapori man over the age of 14 in Season 3. Come on. The list is eight seasons long. Especially if you read the books - her story is designed to make you buy into her own cult of personality because it’s only even written from her point of view.
I don't get why so many people romanticize Dany. I mean, it's been there since the beginning, just like you said.
@@michaja2 Because her blonde movie star looks. How often have you see people ignore a beauty queen's terrible actions.
@@michaja2 toxic feminism and misandry are wild.
Arya killed 3 generations of a family and fed a man his own sons. Sansa fed an unarmed prisoner alive to dogs. Jon hanged a little kid. Rob hanged a kid who was forced to watch
No one has any problem with Dany turning villains. Its complete hypcorisy which people hate. How come none of the above was seen as an evil turn?
@@harish123az Because unlike all of those acts you listened, Dany’s atrocities are all down to gain power.
It was just fashionable to say Dany was a victim of bad writing. You guys are 100% correct. Dany was a super villain.
I completely agree. If she truly cared about the people and about breaking the wheel, she would have encouraged Jon to take his rightful place as king. Period.
"The wheel" is her family legacy
Daenerys is the wheel
@@equusquaggaquagga536So is Jon, since his claim to the throne is that he's her biological nephew.
I don't really understand how people can cry betrayal at Daenerys' "turn". She's brutally murdered everything and everyone that ever opposed her in any way. Translated to Westeros where she's a foreigner with no proper support base, no friends and a harsh war where she lost people, what did we expect? She's already proven she has no morality beyond "I do this and that because then I will appear to be moral". In her mind, all those people deserved it because they wouldn't support her. What's brilliant is that we've been sold her attitude and lots of us just bought it because she was killing villains (supposedly), and her lack of experience kind of enticed us to forgive what surely must've been "mistakes", when in actuality that was her nature all along. And lots of people just can't accept that she's been this monster all along, and they just couldn't see it.
The final episode really resonated with me, because when you're in an abusive relationship with someone you used to love, there's still a part of you that hopes things will get better. And then you wait and it only gets worse. Some people complained that Jon and Tyrion were just parodies of themselves but truth be told, that's what someone like Daenerys does to people. She seduces them with some superficial charm and then she terrifies them into submission, threatening to take everything and everyone in their lives if they don't comply. They end up neutered, paralyzed, they've lost their agency and they don't even dare question her anymore. Jon did the brave thing and put an end to a toxic relationship.
this please. She has been a tyrant all along, and the people who contrast this are the people who can't accept that they stanned a tyrant all along...and might be pliable to do that in other occasions because tyrants fool people, that's one of their biggest aspects. they fool people into believing they re good and want their good when the truth is another and dark too.
@@ravenrey7225 Monster dictators tend to see themselves a righteous heroes punishing evel and recuing the adoring cheering masss. They crave worship to go along with it.
The worst modern tyrants are also surround by a core of whorshiping followers with blind obediance to their living god, fuhrur, chairman, caudillo, beloved dear leader. Which comes first, the power or the worship of the holder of the power?
Slavers “supposedly” villains lmao Dany haters go without slavery apologism for 5 mins challenge
@@ravenrey7225I kinda knew when Rhaegal was killed that she was gonna go apeshit on King’s Landing. That doesn’t change the fact that the writers could have done a better job setting that up. I genuinely enjoy the fact that for the entire show, we’ve been corralled into the belief that Daenerys is flawed, but still a protagonist; even more so, I enjoy the fact that they turned that on its head and made her a villain. And looking back at earlier seasons, you can see the seeds being planted. Regardless, I don’t like that the writers didn’t put the appropriate time into developing her character in that direction. I don’t want to sound like an ass when I say this, but foreshadowing is not the same as character development. While her eventual descent into madness was definitely foreshadowed in earlier episodes (probably because it’s been foreshadowed by Martin in the books) the way they went about it in Season 8 was just…jarring. Like if you wanted her to descend into madness, I’m fine with that, but I would have been happier if they leaned into it. King Aerys’s madness was definitely plain for all to see from the moment he took the throne, but it took him more than a decade and a traumatic experience in the dungeons at Duskendale for him to go completely mad. However, in the case of Daenerys (talking about the show again), she had been portrayed (at least the way I see it) as a ruthless, but ultimately just queen with sound judgment. Her actions with the Dothraki and in the cities of Slaver’s Bay were framed as extreme, to be sure, but ultimately necessary for the goal of the time. The Dothraki, for one, won’t submit to someone unless they’re made to, especially not to someone like Daenerys; thus, her actions with the Dothraki were framed as ultimately necessary for her ends of attaining an army to invade Westeros. The case of Mereen is a little different. While she is very brutal to the masters and the nobles of the city, in almost every scene where she’s with the common people, she’s seen as Mhysa. Whether that’s due to a carefully crafted cult of personality or not, I’ll leave that up to you. However, from what you can see, she seems to genuinely care for the common folk. This contrasts to Westeros, where she very clearly had an opportunity to go straight for Cersei once she’d neutralized the defenses. I know the Red Keep had people inside and they would have died, had she destroyed the castle. But there are alternatives to literally putting an entire city to the torch, something someone as smart as Daenerys should have been able to realize. But instead, she just took a complete left turn and burned a city full of thousands of innocents to the ground. Again, not saying that the signs weren’t there, but in my opinion, the seeds were not laid often enough for most people to understand that it was something to pay attention to, and that is, in my opinion, the failure of the writers. Well that, and they completely bombed the battle with the Night King and they turned Sansa into a girlboss, but those are other cans of worms.
Dany was a classic megalomaniac, just like Alexander the Great and Napoleon she was obsessed with her own greatness. This was true even as early as season 2. You could see her narcissism on the regular, people don't want to see it because they worshipped her, just like the soldiers of Alexander
@Silver Lady lol thank you, it's nice to be proved right about her fans being crazy fanatics
@Silver Lady I know you are
Indeed, love makes blind.
Because she was so visually beautiful and powerful because she had 3 dragons people only tend to see the good things she does.
Nothing good she ever did was EVER without expecting something in return however.
And in the end when things were starting to fall apart for her because she couldn't buy anyone's loyalty in Westeros, she decided to become the bad cop to get her way.
Daenerys' story is a cautionary tale against one person acquiring too much power. Despite her dragons and massive armies, she was still subject to the same biases that all humans have. One of those biases is an unwillingness to admit that you may be, or might have been, wrong. She went from "I want to do the right thing" to "What I do is right" to "My actions define goodness". Her descent into madness boiled down to her starting to see herself as the source of morality and justice. It made perfect sense.
It's funny because, in the first seasons, I watched her amass armies and power, and I remember feeling like I was watching a tsunami grow. I had no idea how right I was at the time.
Especially a badly traumatised infant who is surrounded by sycophants and lies. It is no wonder that she ended up believing that she was the fountain of justice and morality. She is definitely a villain, but a well-made villain because you can sympathise with why she evolved thus. Joffrey and Ramsay are not so well-made (at least in the show, where we are not so closely acquainted with the backstories that led to their psychopathic characters).
I no longer take sheep herd arguments seriously like "it wasn't her going mad that's the problem, it's the execution", "Foreshadowing isn't character development", "D & D assassinated her character", etc etc...you see the same, repeated phrases against this episode over and over again like they're programmed to hate it. I ALWAYS said that Daenerys was terrible, that her idealist views were for selfish reasons, and she was doing things Barristan said her father did. You have to be blind or a mindless worshipper of Daenerys NOT to see this. This actually showed me how tyrants stay loved and in power because the people fall in love with these deviants, completely ignoring the red flags.
You just accurately listed the top 3 "talking points" the angriest fans have been citing most frequently. I'm with you 100% here.
Very well said.
It's also because many dictatorships and tyrannies are almost a "cult of personality." Their leaders are just THE BEST YOU GUYS, and anything they do is THE BEST YOU GUYS because they are just so completely THE BEST YOU GUYS and anyone who says otherwise is WRONG and BAD and DESERVE what they get for defaming their great leaders who are just THE BEST YOU GUYS. And a lot of viewers fell into the Dany cult of personality right along with the characters, because none of us understand how those things actually work.
Also, Dany is a textbook narcissist. No question about that one.
Even Cersie was stunned by Dany madness.
@Silver Lady Maybe try to look in a mirror before trying to judge people you don´t even know.
Give Cersei a dragon before we can say whether she is better or worse than Dany. Even the thought of it - a dragon in the hands of Cersei - is chilling!
@@kcsamm1069😂😂😂😂 Chill out
i always believe that her dark descent is inevitable, it’s very obvious in the books. i just think that the show didn’t do a very good job of executing this dark path that dany was on bc they framed her actions on the show as being very heroic. i don’t know if that was intentional to make a point about how easy it is for us to be fooled by extremist tyrants or if they were just bad at setting up her dark arc.
i also think that the audience were also taken in by the targaryen exceptionalism and the belief in their divine right to rule, just like targaryens themselves, they’re just a bunch of egomaniacs and they fooled us into believing that only targaryens are the rightful ones to rule westeros
Agreed. Had it been a regular ten episode season, I think her gradual descent into madness would have been more apparent to the average viewer. But I knew as soon as Missandei’s head was separated from her shoulders, Kings Landing’s fate was sealed. I didn’t understand why this was a shock to anyone.
Apparently nobody noticed that her friends and advisors were *constantly* trying to stem her bloodthirsty and tyrannical impulses. All the time. Every major event. Gee, I wonder why that was necessary? Because she was always the thing that the Targaryens demonstrably were - insanely, murderously ambitious tyrants. This didn’t come out of nowhere, it was a tug-of-war from the beginning, and one that “good Danny” was constantly on the verge of losing. Even her “breaking the wheel, breaking the chains” claims were bogus. She tried to break the wheel just to install her own wheel. She broke the chains to get validation for her violent ambitions. People just tried to make her what they wanted her to be, and were angry when reality asserted itself.
I'm not sure I agree that Dany is so power-hungry that it informs her every move. I believe that she has a savior complex, and that's what kept her going in places like the Free Cities where there were chains to break and slaves to free--and then ditch them with Daario when the fun part was over--a total dick move, btw, that shows how delusional she must be; in what world would the masters not overpower the slaves (and Daario, who wasn't a paragon of virtue himself) and possibly even make their lives worse, once Dany and her dragons were gone? She had already flown off to God knows where once, and left Tyrion and Varys to clean up her mess. Then she had the nerve to blame them when she came back to a sh*tshow of her own creation--although she did get to fly back in and save the day, again, at least for her squad, thus feeding that Messiah complex all over again.
I think Dany expected to be hailed as a savior (again) after she helped destroy the White Walkers. When Jon got the accolades (and the savior treatment) after that battle, his Northeners' failure to give Dany her savior fix sparked that emotional cascade failure that led to her, ahem, meltdown. I'm not saying that Dany's ego isn't massive, or that she doesn't long to be the li'l Queen of Everything and make everyone bend the knee. But she doesn't *enjoy* power, the way that Cersei does (just think of all those scenes of her sipping wine and gloating; she doesn't give a rat's ass if anyone likes her or not, because she's the baddest b*tch in the land). Dany *needs* to be a savior, which is how she justifies the terrible things she has done in the name of ending forced servitude. The arny of western foiks were not slaves, and they're kind of an ornery bunch anyway, sohey don't treat her like the savior she thinks she is, and that challenges her view of herself to the core; after all, she has spent much of her life waiting to save Westeros from itself, and the first Westerosi she saves (sort of) don't even seem to give her that much credit. Jon's new identity, plus the deaths of Jorah and Missendei means that the few people close to her who saw her as she sees herself are all gone. So are two of her dragons, and they were essential to her identity--and also the source of much of her power. Who is Dany without her freed slaves and her dragons? A teenage semi-slave girl pushed around by powerful men like a chess pawn? And yeah, the Targs are all a little batshit, so there's that in the mix. She snaps. *sorry--didn't mean to write a novel here. Anyway--
I hope your new followers will stay with you as you continue to do your insightful, funny, and very entertaing videos--which also happen to have excellent editng, something that a lot of CZcams commentators don't know how to do well if at all. I look forward to whatever you decide to do next. And I really really hope you have some more Lynch commentaries coming! Xo
How many times in 8 seasons does she say she will take back the iron throne? A lot. She was power hungry. Heck that is literally the definition of power hungry.
If you didn’t see this coming you haven’t been paying attention.
Meanwhile..
THANK YOU!!!
Finally an opinion that isn't blinded by good placed manipulation and a pretty face. I really thought I was the only one thinking that way.
Of course, season 8 wasn't perfect, there were a few mistakes, but Daenerys "becoming" mad, definetly wasn't one of them!
I called out on her in season 2 when she started to whine about her blood-right and threatened to burning cities and stuff.
I'm so mad HBO wanted to give D&D money to do 10 episodes but they said no, they could've fleshed out Jon and Daenerys relationship and made the night king death a lot more dramatic
What???? HBO actually WANTED 10 EPISODES and *DICKHEAD* & *DUMBASS* DECLINED?! 😱😨😰
I think 10 episodes could have fixed a lot of the problems of this season.
@@sAINTDeVille Yep, and they rushed it all for the Star Wars gig they were promised by Disney and then in the end, Disney cancels it. It's like we are seeing a real Game of THrones going on in Hollywood. This was a great check mate move Disney did to HBO.
I hear you, though I think the Mad King's death was fucking awesome the way it was portrayed.
Agreed - Daenerys has always been a sociopath - charming, manipulative,demanding - with a moral compass that always pointed to power. Once she got to Westeros, she slowly saw that power slipping away - each betrayal/loss inched her closer toward her final outburst. But I am of the opinion that this was not madness in the sense everyone is talking about. This was a predictable sociopathic response to the realization she would never get the throne - if she could not have what she desired, let those who come after rule the ashes. This was spite, pure and simple.
Exactly, this is her flipping the gameboard after playing for so long just to have her claim to the throne slip away in the end.
And this was how Eddard broke the wheel of the Targaryen sociopathy with Jon. When he was raised with a moral compass he understood what the Targaryen were and rejected it. Targaryen genes will survive but in a diluted form, not unlike Dune's Corrino and Harkonnen after Atreides rose to power. And the descendants of Jon will have different outlooks on life, especially when it turned out that being raised with one actually blunted the worst of the Targaryen's psychopathy/madness.
In episode 3 of season 7 you can tell how egotistical she was when she met Jon Snow and all those silly titles that Messindei had to use just to introduce her compared to the humble Jon Snow, simply put --- "King of The North".
@Rheya Ruiz And what did Dany accomplished except for destroying anything she ever touched?
@Rheya Ruiz I scored 93 percent overall and i got 95 in maths 98 in english and blah blah blah has a diffrence jon snow did a lot bit he doesn't like to mention every unlike dany who wants herself to look amazing
It is presented as a humorous difference between two rulers, completely belying the dictatorial nature of this accumulation of titles, reminiscent of Idi Amin's long list of titles.
This turn was great because it was so dark and because we grew to see her as the light and the good. It was even better because, if you looked back, you’d see it was obviously a long time coming. That’s how you do it. You foreshadow the future without making it obvious to everyone until the look back. Sometimes reading a book is better after you know the ending because now you see all the hints and logical progression that you missed. I have to watch the entire series again. Thanks for your take on it. I agree with it.
*Very* impressed how well "Maniac" and "Psycho Killer" pairs with the sequence.
Thank you for making this video! It's necessary for people to understand that, even in the books, she's always been written to be the villain. Sure, she had good intentions, with clear motivations, a sympathetic background, etc, and that's the point, to not make her a classic evil villain... but she was never supposed to be the hero.
In the books it's a bit more clear, especially in Dance of Dragons. In the case of the show, the terrible writing and pacing, especially in Season 8, made it look like it came out of nowhere. The writers are to blame for that.
No it was not rusch,it was exacly right.Her character was mad a couple saisons early.She kill people with smile on her face in thousends.The writers did awesome job,all in all it has nothing more to showe/tell it must end with final schowdown and that was perfect executed.Good job D&D.
I'm just gonna go rewatch Twin Peaks...
I'm going to do so, too, some time in the not too distant future.
MisterDevos Good idea
I’m in the middle of a rewatch! Half way through the return now. Original run- fwwm- missing pieces-return
I had no problem with how they ended the show, just with the speed with witch they did it.
I felt like you were reading my mind by the end of your video. I fully agree this is the direction George had intended all along. Human complexity is the core to this entire story. Keep up the good work.
@Rheya Ruiz Dont be a fuking dicck. Books and show are two different medium entirely and so it clearly implies that the ending will be different. And its not D&D idea, apparently this was idea of GRRM all along. Ending for most of the major. characters will be somewhat same but by taking a completely different way especially Bran being King.And Dany becoming mad.
@Rheya Ruiz That was never confirmed. Martin said they got some things right and they got some things wrong.
In all fairness, they started to deviate from Martin's vision long before season eight, and Tyrion as a whole is a good example of this.
Tyrion, from day one, has been completely neutered. His arc is vastly different in the books.
I do believe that Dany may very well torch King's Landing (purposefully or accidentally) with Tyrion egging her on.
Judy secretly went to westeros and took over dany.😅
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Ha hahaa that's funny !!
gotta light?
Tulpas are faceless men. Dany has definitely been in the black lodge.
Manufactured
Agree! Danny going bonkers is believable and inevitable if one reads the books! It happened a bit quick in the show, but it was always there!
The problem people have is with the writing not the character arc. The actors have the same problem.
Agreed. I didn't care for what happens to Jon in the end, and would have preferred it if it shows him going to Hardhome and that is when he sees Arya with her ship waiting for him and he sails off with her. They were always close and it made sense that they would remain close till the end.
Perfect analysis. I agree on everything. Daenerys was fond of the prople just as long as this brought them to like her. In westeros they do not love her despite her helping them and losing her dragons and friends, and this drove her mad and angry. This should be seen by everyone. The season is not perfect, but this is the story set up since the beginning. Moreover, the acting and the cinematography have been outstanding. So let's enjoy this astonishing show.
The people didn’t know that she was helping them. Cersei did a good job of gaslighting Daenerys prior to her arrival. The mad queens daughter with a horse of Dothraki and three monstrous dragons, the woman who killed all the noblemen in astapor. Daenerys should have realized that and not lean into being feared. The common people in Meeran, astapor and yunkai loved her-and she assumed the common people in Westeros would love her just as easily. She failed to see how different Westeros is culturally and historically. She assumed the common people in Westeros would immediately see her as a savior and failed to see a people who had just been through a brutal war
I completely agree. And it probably says something about a certain part of the fan base that they couldn't see through her neediness and petulance. That is, they can't recognize those dark traits when they see them in the real world. Thanks.
Danny might be the monster in the making that takes 10 seasons in the oven, they slowly roasted in 7 and burned it in the 8th. Making takes time and pacing
I personally enjoyed the pacing, as I think there needed to be an abrupt jump after the build-up that came with her growing love for violence with each passing season - unlike, say, the fact that Arya (and perhaps Drogon) skipped a few steps in the leveling up process that may have been beneficial.
@@WowLynchWow I've never heard someone say they actually enjoyed the pacing of her heel turn. Even the people who defend S8 that I've seen will admit that it was a bit rushed.
Remember the last chapter in A Dance With Dragons, the epilogue? I'm pretty sure it's Kevan Lannister or Paxter Redwyne who claim that Daenerys is "...as mad as her father". Oh you better believe that 'crispy King's Landing' will feature in either Winds or the last book, Dream.
I laughed really hard at Leslie Nielsen from the naked gun 2 1/2. Good video.
Excellent video, best I’ve seen to explain why the ending for Daenerys was logical and, in my opinion, the only way to end the show.
Great commentary... So sick of all the haters on CZcams. Your points are spot-on!
you so damn stupid you see every one thats disappointed about the bad scripting as haters? gtfo kid.
Constantly power-tripping. Even when she seeks to seduce her lover, Jon, she says, "Then keep your Queen warm." Not '...then keep me warm...' or '...then keep your love warm...' She made it an order. "....keep your Queen warn!" Even in what should be loving and tender moment, she pulled rank. Even the man she deeply loved HAD to bend the knee!
I'm pretty sure 'keep your queen warm' was a tease not an actual order. Like roll play. She was not pulling rank. And Dany agreed to help before he bent the knee. It was no longer required. She may gone bat sh*t crazy but she was not heartless and she loved Jon.
Lmao imagine using a corny playfull scene and make it as if something to be deeply interpreted for. It Ain't that deep chief. Also your aforementioned examples were also grammatically and literally an order, so that was asinine of you.
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@@trhall614 Agreed. She was actually beginning to fall for him during season 7. I think she was already starry eyed when she hears Davos talk about how he took a knife in the heart. It was episode 4 when she seeks his advice when she learns Highgarden was sacked over Tyrion's. While she no doubt has problems dealing with her immense power, I think it would have been more fascinating to see it was Bran that was using his abilities to make her go crazy. It would be brilliant to have a Stark become evil.
That's a bit of a reach.
I don't think Dany disingenuous in her affection towards Jon. It was the fact that getting the throne meant more to her than anything else.
SHE WASN'T MAD!!! & EPISODE 5 WAS ONE OF MY FAVORITES. Even though I stopped caring about most of the characters after 8x3, there was one villian I had almost forgotten about and one I never expected to see getting their due... The inhabitants of King's Landing. Tyranny is made possible by the people and not otherwise. This is a hard truth and a harsh justice. Daenerys delivered it with tears in her eyes. And just like that I was invested again.
A society that lets injustice rule is culpable for denying the Law. Thus when tyranny is permitted to go unpunished, the inbalance will fall upon the masses so the pit may still be fed its due. Then a voracious, predatory, indiscriminate Doom will be set loose upon an unsuspecting people in order to claim its rightful meal.
Or, to rephrase the same principle in slightly different terms
... Every time a teardrop falls, a little flower grows, otherwise there could be no beauty in the world at all. But whenever injustice goes unpunished an innocent little flower will die so that everyone has something worth crying about.
It is a hard truth and a hard justice but Danny hadn't gone mad and it wasn't a spur of the moment descision. Nor was it out of character. Danaerys has threatend to burn down almost every city she has ever been to. Plus, she is a Targarian and as Septon Alfyn has said, "What they do is what they have always done and it is not for us to judge them."
Burning down King'sLanding was as Danaerys argued in the beginning of the episode, a lesson to the people and an act of mercy to future generations to teach them to never again let themselves be ruled by tyrants.
So while all the shortsighted people of Westerous and HBO land will probably demand to see her head on a spike I wouldn't be surprised if her actions spark a revolution that will not be calmed until the people have risen up, BROKEN THE WHEEL and thown down all the monarchs and despots in the realm.
That's a J. Liz original btw.
I Hated Daenyres's character, her Random, Repetitive speeches made me want to spit on the TV. She became monotonous annoying and egocentric. Without beauty and Dragons nobody would follow. She's not that complex or interesting compared to so many other characters.
That wasn’t about her ego. She had to assert her power because the Dothraki follow strength. That made her strong in their eyes. She’s an amazing character that was done dirty by horrible writers.
@@oriesheppard8498no it was ego. Like she’s riding a big ass dragon. How much dominance does she have to show after that?
Yessss
@@newenglanddogmum7725 She's the most annoying character ever. Her speeches made me wanna spit on the Television.
Great video! I'm so glad you of all people have been enjoying this season and the whole ride. Daenerys was always a monster in the making and Cersei died defending the people. Good stuff.
You did a darn good job bringing up what SO MANY missed, which is GRRM is basically to blame for the showrunners running out of material! I still can’t get why so many give him a pass when it’s clear he is largely responsible. Why are people so willing to insult Hollywood but never ever the authors as if the latter are perfect & infallible
Yet another great video. Even if Dany had not snapped as the bells tolled, her coming would still end in disaster. Breaker of chains? Break the wheel? She brings three monsters, a gang of howling barbarians and an army of assembly line tin soldier to a establish some kind of totalitarian utopia. What had Dany planned for the Dothraki after the fighting was done? Would she have them plant crops? They're warriors and pillagers, who kill men and rape women ... or the other way around ... or both to each ... whatever they please.
It was a stupid vanity project. Dany could have been Khalesi. She could have been Queen of the Bay of Dragons. But she decided to invade a continent with a foreign army based on ... her birthright?
P.S. I've just posted a video on Cersei. I inevitably re-thread many of the same arguments you make in your video, but I think I am coming at it from a slightly different angle.
I will definitely check it out at some point after this weekend.
Apologies I didn't get to this sooner. But I did watch it just now, and thought it was very well done and a pleasure to watch. Thanks for sharing!
While I think there is truth to both the pros and cons of season 8, this is probably the best defense of season 8 I've seen yet. Kudos!
@Silver Lady lol ok honey.
You nailed it! You got her number. Personally she threw me off when she told Jon not I love you but that means you have a claim to the iron throne.
Thanks for providing a bit of sanity and maturity amidst all the entitled fanboy/fangirl tantrums.
What's been accomplished is a shift in perspective. Seasons 1-7 were basically encouraging us to see Dany as a protagonist, and so we excused/ignored her acts of cruelty (and it was sadistic cruelty, as early as Season 1 you see her getting off on it) because we understood the motivation behind it - it felt cathartic to us, too. In Season 8 (and 7 to an extent) we see her from the outside, and suddenly the cruelty becomes more disturbing and less relatable. But imagine if you were an ordinary member of, say, the Wise Masters of Yunkai, not a bad person, just somebody who grew up in that culture. You'd already be seeing Dany that way. I know they were slave owners, but what she did to those people was still cruel and in many cases unjustified. And what happens when she leaves Slavers' Bay taking her armies and dragons? We don't see, but I imagine a descent into anarchy. If she really cared, she'd stay. Dany was never a good person.
I like your montages in this video, because they might help join the dots for people who were swept away by the compelling narrative of her ascent to power and ignored the cruelty that lay behind it.
Yup season 1-7 was Dany propaganda. Dany's always been a tyrant hiding behind the veil of a freedom fighter. People got fooled.
@@toddprit Sauron the deciever gave to them 9 rings of power, blinded by their greed they took them without question. One by one falling to darkness.
Yep, I knew she'd be trouble from the moment she chose to watch her brother's execution. A moral person would've told Drogo, "Do what you must," and tried to leave the hut. To give Dany strength and resolve the writers could've had the other characters tell her, "You have to stay, Khaleesi, or else the Dothraki will shun you." Dany could've then looked on while fighting back tears and shock at Drogo's brutality.
Not so sure about Viserys death. He had abused her emotionally, verbally and physically and potentially more. She was aware he had sentenced himself to die by bringing a weapon into a sacred place where no weapons were allowed and threatened her and her unborn child's lives. I don't think she could excuse that and felt no sympathy for the fate he brought on himself. She still ended up as a tyrant who fell in love with the facade she used of a freedom bringing saviour and when the land she wanted to rule didn't see her like that after all she gave for them ( her dragons and forces) she broke down violently.
@@user-wd3tl6nu4h I know what Viserys did; Dany still displays psychopathy and insanity by teasing him with Drogo’s translation, refusing to look away from the scene, and then lingering dead-eyed on Viserys’s corpse while uttering nonsense.
Viserys acted out because Drogo neglected their contract, and his threatened actions weren’t any worse than those of Dany’s ancestors, whom she acknowledged as the proper rulers of Westeros and thought she had the right to succeed.
Sometimes the greatest evil comes in the most beautiful of packages. -Marian Erway
When you play the game of thrones, you either win or die-Cersei Lannister
A man with no motive is a man no one suspects.-Petyr Baelish
Well noted-Bran the Broken😎
This is obviously way past the air date, but my take on Danny was identical to this. I remember after that episode (The Bells) aired, I expected to go online to see everyone hailing the episode and I was shocked to see the response. I consider it the best episode of the final season and the Danny storyline was one of the most supported storylines in the history of cinema, so it still boggles my mind.
And it is weird how people separate the ending as though it's somehow different than GRRM's. Obviously in book form and in an unrushed format it will come together differently. But the one thing people don't like and won't like (even in his written ending, if finished) is, it's dark as f__k. The characters aren't supposed to be redeemed and/or rewarded (this will piss people off, but it was always the intention). Tyrion rats on Varys... he possibly secretly undermined Danny to the benefit of his family, rather than making stupid mistakes. He essentially plotted with Bran to screw over John. And at the end of the day Bran planned everything out so he could swipe the throne for himself. As GRRM has said the throne is an ode to the ring in The Lord of the Rings. Also, the show and the books hit the message hard that the history books are nothing more than a complete fabrication at the end of the day. Major players are removed, etc. I theorize that the whole supernatural whitewalker/dragons/etc are made up components and we're getting the history book version of the story. I always figured it would be Sam telling us the story in the end,, who essentially represents GRRM, however I don't see Sam fabricating the story, but as the show demonstrates he was allowed no say, aside from the title.
I'm with you 100% on Dany. I still cannot believe how outraged fans were over what I believed (like you) was the best episode in the final Season.
I wished they had more time to set it up better, but her transition makes sense. I remember I thought that she is finally starting to loose it after she saves Jon, Jorah ect on their trip to get one of the undead. When they celebrated and she sat there and her eyes were glaced over and the sound became muffled as if she goes into dissociation. I though ooooh, she is going to turn mad soon!
Maybe people needed more scenes to truly realise that.
Tbh I think people will have a similar reaction to Rhaenyra from House of the Dragon.
Minor, tiny spoiler: She will be called Maegor with teats after her ancestor Maegor the cruel.
They already hinted at it in season one, but somehow people miss the signs. I don't want to spoil anything if you haven't watched it. But there probably will be another outcry in a few years, because many Dany fans want Rhaenyra to be a better Daenerys 😬
So True - Daenerys was becoming more and more crazy! In the beginning she was just a little girl. But she developed more and more into a crazy women, which was obsessed by the iron Thron. She just absolutely forgot where she came from and what her real plan was. She just wanted to rule the world and not caring about the little people living there....
Man, I love your sense of humour!
I will be queen of ashes - Mad queen
Little Finger was not just a scumbag he was basically the puppet master of everything that went down in the entire story. Half of those things wouldn't have happened if not for him pulling strings setting people up with his powers of manipulation. He started the conflict between the Starks and the Lannisters. He orchestrated a lot of things and he wasn't the most evil but certainly the most devious character in the story.
The 3 eyed crow was the true mastermind
My main issue with how the show handled it was making her completely mental after (whereas I think she was a "mad" but sane queen) and whitewashing Jon. I bet you in the book Jon will also come out of these exact events looking much more political and self serving, but not in a power hungry way
This is SO well laid out and makes total sense. I completely agree with you on all of your points! Another awesome video.
I always despised her.
Jon Snow's popularity among the ppl of Winterfell exposed the virtue signaling hypocrisy of Danearys.
LOL. Adding The Naked Guns shot was pure comedic genius. Great to see your videos again after TP. 🙌
Finally someone that makes sense! I am enjoying this last season very much. The writing is not as bad as people are saying. Some details could be better but what they are doing in just 6 episodes is awesome. Basically, I think many people love Danny and now they don't want to see her as a villain. And then they blame the writing and try to discredit this amazing show.
Did you know that HBO offered to give the showrunners more episodes but they declined? They thought less episodes was better. Do you agree? Personally I think all the plot points from this season are fine, the problem is that the way the characters get from one to the next is rushed.
It is bizarre how so many people genuinely loved characters who, in the real world, would be seen as monsters. Tyrion, Jaime, Bronn, Daenerys, etc., are not characters who share values and life experiences with a vast majority of modern audiences, yet they are loved. It is similar to how highwaymen, pirates and brutal conquerors are heroised long after they are dead.
On Monday. Her words will disappear. her house will disappear. her name will disappear. History will only remember a monster
@Rheya Ruiz How is she a better ruler than the Starks? For all of Dany´s talk of being "the Queen" I never actually saw her to just sit down with a paper and a quill to make actual laws and edicts. She was always good at burning shit down but the actual administration legwork and politics? Nah.
Best video on this subject I've ever seen. Also, the fan's latching on to her and their subsequent angry reactions were also part of the plan... the fans get to experience what Daenerys friends / allies experienced... the shock, betrayal and realization that this person wasn't what we thought they were.
This comment is the reason a LOVE button needs to be on youtube (not just like).
@@courageouscarla1804 Thank you so much.
This video is still straight truth.
I think that the people that hate this change in Daenerys completely forget that G.R.R. Martin has written that the characters of GoTs are all morally gray. Many do horrible and horrendous acts for different reasons.
Dany was an inbred product from a line of psychotic people, not that she was the only one since the Lannisters were too (Tywin and Joanna Lannister were first cousins) and even as such when appearing "normal" it should had appeared eventually. Hell, in the TV show she still didn't mind being with her Nephew.
This is the reason I adhere to the principles of DUNE where it warns about following "Charismatic leaders". In GoTs it is clear that Dany may had slowly been transforming into what came before her till she did in the show, one could argue that the abuse of her brother and subsequent relationship with Drogo may had influenced it, but eventually some madness should had manifested in her, cause even in the books she leads herself through "prophecies", which could still be misinterpreted.
In the show, well, what if her passive and liberating portrayal was all just part of her game? I mean, the show was called GAME Of Thrones, each participant was playing their part to become the ruler of all, each is/was devious in their own way, for good or for ill, morally gray.
To quote the Joker “all it takes is one bad day”
Well Dany had a bunch of bad days in close succession.
1.Losing veserion
2.finding out she’s not the rightful heir and the man she loves is.
3.seeing that everyone loves Jon and doesn’t love her like they did in essos
4.losing Jorah
5.losing rhagal
6.losing missande
7.losing Jon because he can’t get over the aunt thing.
8. Seeing her court betray her by spreading the news about Jon, and she knows if the news gets out she’ll lose her claim to the throne.
She dreamed about her homecoming to Westeros all her life and it was nothing like what she expected. Everything went wrong.
Then when she’s finally taking revenge on cersi and winning, she surrenders. Robbing her of her emotional release.
I bet she was thinking “you don’t get to surrender”
And was so enraged she decided to devastate the city, to intimidate Cersi. To show Cersei what she was in for. Also she may have felt like the people betrayed her by not loving her and fighting for her like she was so used to in essos. Perhaps that made her think these people must be on Cersi’s side and that made them fair game.
And she has a HUGE genetic predisposition to violent destructive insanity.
The mad king was sane before he was kidnapped and tortured, it was his mistreatment that triggered his insanity.
Great stuff!
I was really surprised by the reaction to episode 5 online - I thought it was the best episode of season 8 so far alongside episode 2 and expected people to be singing it's praises.
I am equally mesmerized.
@Silver Lady Yes... calling people who disagree with you 'dumbass' is the hallmark of objectivity!
You know, seldom do I see someone who not only embarrassed her entire gender, but also an entire chemical element.
Bravo!!!!! This is what I've been saying all along. Cheers to you for pointing out the obvious that others have been missing.
no one missed that she was going mad. But that wouldnt make her slaughter innocent people which she was to rule. Not only that when did dragonfire become explosive? if so why was night kings dragon better destroying the magical wall than on winterfell? Read up what happened to harrenhall.
@@aszthrotep4632 She didn't go mad. She didn't go crazy. This was a calculated decision that she made that reflects back to what she said to Jorrah in season 5. "...they will live in my new world or die in THEIR OLD ONE". This is what she failed at liberating Mereen.
@@dianneburke5330 A calculated decision isnt an emotional one, specially not with rage. people where begging for the bell and even rang she murdered them all. There is no logic to it, and she didnt talk about the civilians if so she would have had to rampage and slaughter everyone in westeros. She was smart but season 8 dumb as shit, you cant rule people when you slaughter them. She did what others havent, against her MO to set westeros free and take the throne. breaker of chains which she said plenty of times.
@@aszthrotep4632 I never said a calculated decision was an emotional one. She made a calculated decision to burn the city down because she knew that Cersei was hiding behind the people and using mercy as a means to shield herself from Dany. In essence, Cersei made Dany chose what's more important to her, the people or the throne. We all know Cercei would have chosen the throne but Cersei underestimated that Dany would choose the same, especially since Tyrion pleaded mercy. So Dany chose the THRONE. This is what she's been fighting for all her life, this was her one goal as she told Sansa in episode 2. Only one person could have helped divert her attempts towards the Throne and that was Jon because she loved him. Dany put off her first attempt at taking Kings Landing to fight with Jon against the army of the Dead. however when Jon rejected her love, and when she still didn't gain any support from the North, and when she found out that Jon had a better claim and her advisers were plotting against her, she had nothing to lose. The events that transpired prior to her sacking Kings Landing helped shape her decision to sack the city and start a new regime. She even said that her mercy would be for future generations to come.
Dany has been a tyrannical leader since she began conquering Essos with her dragons. It's her way or burn. However, since her tyranny was against slavers, people excused it because slavery is bad -- and that's the red herring that people fell for. People assume she was this great leader because she marched in and demanded freedom, however, what she really did as any tyrannical leader does, she entered cities and enforced her will upon the people and when things didn't go her way, she used dragon fire to intimidate and/or destroy them. And let's not pretend that watching people burn alive is a sane thing to do. It's a horrific death to inflict on people, even those you consider enemies but she enjoyed it and there was no middle ground. She watched them as they burned as if it were nothing.
So no, season 8 regarding Dany's arc is not stupid. You just haven't been paying attention. You bought into the red herring and ignored what she was really about and instead focussed on her being conqueror while ignoring her tyrannical side. It's been there in front of everyone's eyes all along.
@@dianneburke5330 she was only tyrannical against those that oppressed others. And no cerci wasnt hiding, how could she up in the red keep while dany was on a dragon?? and the city gave up which wouldnt be an issue getting cerci afterwards. she never never went against people, civilians as she did in that episode. And its always been a comon practice that people living close seeking shelter within walls, even our history shows that pretty clearly. And dont forget her fixation in letting people bending the knee, or die. She seldom showed mercy against soldiers/leaders but always against the common folk. going mad wont make you a homicidal maniac, mad king went broke after his 6months imprisonment, and little is said other that he was changed after that visit.
The stupidest scene they had Dany parrot was when she tells Tyrion how smart she was by legitimising Gentry, as proxy for Dumb and Dumber. Gringe worthy abomination
Wow, outstanding telling of your point of view. You may have changed my mind about this season...... Thanks for your point of view.
My problem with the show is how rush it is not the mas queen
I get that.
I completely disagree. There's a huge difference between being ruthless towards your enemies and killing thousands of innocent people for no reason. The turn came out of nowhere. The example I like to use is in season 2 when those people whose names I can't remember killed one of her friends so they could get their hands on her dragons and she punished only the people responsible. And now one of her friends is murdered along with one of her dragons and she responds by killing everyone except those who were involved. It's just bad writing plain and simple. But then again what do you expect from one of the masterminds behind X-Men Origins Wolverine?
It’s not about Rhaegal and Missandei dying. It’s about her prize and glory being threatened by Jon’s claim and her own failure to win the hearts and minds of Westeros. Why did she even go to westeros? Why didn’t she just chill in Qarth and get rich off her dragons and live a happy life? Because she’s spent her life being fed stories of entitlement from her brother, then more stories about her “mount the world” stallion son, and then feeling the satisfaction that comes with both adoration and domination she achieved in slaver’s bay. She was doubting that those things would come to her in Westeros, which was supposed to be her ultimate source of those things. And now that we’ve finally seen her forced into this situation, we get this. Yes, she was only ruthless towards her enemies... but she only had enemies because she thought she deserved to rule the whole goddamn world, and she sailed from city to city wrecking shit up because it was her ticket to being a ruler. And, as discussed in this video... I bet those killings in Qarth felt pretty damn good. The fires got bigger and bigger from then...
I’m not defending D&D here... they’ve scurried right past any sort of palpable change in her character. We didn’t get to feel a true discomfort, like we were losing the side of Dany that Jon, Jora, and others fell in love with. They’ve also bypassed logic, since Dany is failing to realize that she’ll go directly from feared to hated. Rather than flex her power, she’s mass murdered on a level so unforgivable that she will only encounter revolt. I feel like this state is where Dany ultimately belonged, but they instantly took it to the largest slaughter in human history without being thorough in documenting her descent. And the great haste in all of this can only be explained by the fact that they didn’t feel like doing more episodes.
@@nevermore311 You see what you just did? You just wrote a better character than what was on screen. And if they had taken the time to flesh it out I don't think the majority of fans including myself would be as furious and frustrated.
Although I still think that she shouldn't have gone mad at all at this point. It was a little too obvious. Her father was the Mad King and she becomes the Mad Queen. It's a little bit too much like poetry. It rhymes. But mainly I think if it was going to happen it should have happened before now. The final Conflict of the series should have been the Night King and the army of the dead.
I think the final season should have been expanded and should have been about Daenerys and John learning that Cersei has no intentions of helping them fight the army of the dead so they decide to take a chance on moving there armies to King's Landing to try to force her to face the conflict.
@@Brandon_Powell **siiigh** at least we all get to be united in our victimhood.
@@nevermore311 I'm sorry. I don't understand what you mean.
'There's a huge difference between being ruthless towards your enemies and killing thousands of innocent people for no reason.'
No there isn't. This is how all tyrannies start, being ruthless towards you enemies, and how they all end, with the murder of innumerable of innocent people for no reason.
I wish she could have seen, or someone could have convinced her that she was going mad. Unfourtunatly, those who are truly mad, think they are the normal one!
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Great editing, great commentary, and The Talking Heads, too! Very glad I've found your channel! Finally, a content creator who understands good storytelling! It's about surprising us, not doing what we anticipate! GoT continues to that, right up to its explosive and epic conclusion.
Great stuff! There's plenty of things to shit on D&D for in the series, this aint one of them!
My man, you are a fantastic writer and narrator. Don't ever stop making videos.
Great call on how weak it is when all the fan-boys blame D&D for giving their favorite characters an ending they didn't like when, although 8x3&4 jumped the shark, the congruence for all the characters in episode 5 was too profound to possibly be blamed on those two hacks
Awesome in-depth analysis!
It was always there. First, we know incest and madness runs in her family. Her father was an insane dictator. She lost her parents young. She was abused by her older brother. Then she’s sold to a murder, falls in love with her murdering, rapist, doesn’t mind that he spends his time killing innocent people. Her son, who she thinks will “mount the world,” dies at birth, so does her rapey husband. Then she’s gifted with dragons that she things are literally her kids. She starts believing she’s a god-queen destined to rule. She has an sexual relationship with her nephew and her best friend gets her head chomped off in front her. What more do you need to turn evil? The problem is it just didn’t all happen in quick succession so people forget.
I don’t think she’s aware of it though.
Your videos are always great and a breath of fresh air sir. I agree the new season is not bad and you are absolutely right, the fall of Daenerys was foreshadowed throughout the entire series. I was hoping it wouldnt come to be, but sometimes things dont work out like we want. For all of those adults out there freaking out about this plot twist...maybe spend less time getting totally invested in a TV show and spend more time getting invested in something in the real world that can improve the life of your loved ones and others...just a thought haha. Thanks. By the way, great Naked Gun reference.
I liked this last season and the final episode. I really wish the complaints would stop. I think everything went the way it was supposed to go. The last episode was such a happy ending. Dany was alive all the way to the last episode and she even completed her mission of breaking the wheel.
General consensus being : "It was extremely undeserved for her to suddenly become an insane mad-woman."
oh-kaaaaay, well then ask yourself..... was it also not 'extremely undeserved' for her to become both a) MOTHER OF DRAGONS and also b) the last of her name?
She was doomed to a tyrant's path from the day those dragons hatched.
After some time, the question stops being "why would she do that" - when it is more pertinent to ask "Why WOULDN'T she become more and more like her father as she gains more power and burns her enemies"?
Very well said. That last question you asked was perfectly worded! Wish I had thought of that myself for this video!.
I think the video makes a good point that Dany was always monster in the making. I think many of us saw that coming. It's just that the turn wasn't sufficiently built up in the end stretch. So okay, she's not liberating slaves because she wants to be good. She just wants admiration. I think that's a solid argument backed up by examples. However, even if that's the case, the turn from her deciding she doesn't need admiration anymore is too swift a turn and wasn't executed well. Why? Because she experiences a moment of jealousy and about 20 mins of betrayal and grief? All of a sudden, she decided she doesn't want the admiration of the people of King's Landing and she burns them all?
AFTER they surrender to her and give her what she wants?
It just doesn't add up.
How many times did she say she would burn a city down?
Very good and intelligent review! Thanks! All the best from Germany
I LOVE that you referenced Back To School. Brilliant.
The last episode was fantastic and meant for TV, the bait and switch would never work in the books if done like in the show but for television it was a magic moment. I cannot forgive what they did with the Night King though, that will always ruin a large part of the show for me, it was the Laura Palmer of the show, the goose that laid the golden eggs for me, the mystery. After they destroyed that storyline with reckless abandon, it just destroyed the buildup. We never got to see who he was or what he wanted, Brans role, or the Azor Azai prophecy that was pretty key to earlier episodes. What happened with Dany was brilliant but needed to be done prior to the night king. The last episode makes the show passable to me and unless they do something stupid and have Cersei live only to be killed by Arya, the ending will be somewhat sufficient for me but the show will never be a brilliant masterpiece like it was season 1-4. If it had maintained that level of quality it would be up there with the greatest shows of all time.
They devoted half of all episodes to the NK in the final season to the dread and anticipation of the NK, honestly how much more would you want? NK is the destruction of Sauron (or a modern re-telling of High Noon). The last three episodes are an extended version of the Scouring of the Shire. Yes it was a bait-and-switch, but honestly this is kind of stuff GoT is about. GoT isn't some Lost or Twin Peaks clone. It was never intended to be a sprawling mythology, despite it's length and number of characters. At it's heart GoT is an allegory. NK is symbolic of elemental evil, like say natural disasters. Given that, why would you give the symbol of elemental evil human-like motivations? And Azor Ahai is totally fulfilled: Ice is the NK, the lion is Cersei and Nissa Nissa is Dany.
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Great setup!
When Arya sees the pale horse at the end, all I could think was “Sarah Palmer”?
Great video. Nice to put some balance into the arguments that have been going on.
D&Ds writting was always a monster in the making
For some reason I find it funny to see how all the top comments are liked by Wow Lynch Wow except this one
It's sad you can't say "Long live Queen Cersei" anymore. It always gave me a chuckle.
I still think it would have been better if the whole reason the Mad King went mad was because Bran was fucking with his brain like he did to Hordor.
If Dany didn't care about innocent people dying, she wouldn't have listened to her advisors at the start of season 7. She would have disregarded Tyrion's plan and just went for King's Landing first when she had an overwhelming advantage. At worst, she was going to burn the Red Keep where Cersei was, but she never considered killing the general public for the sake of spreading fear.
Once she started losing dragons, friends, and allies, that would make her more desperate to win the war, but there was no motivation for her to burn citizens after winning King's Landing.
Even if she felt she couldn't get people's love in Westeros, and wanted to use fear to control the masses, she didn't need to go that far because it was random killing and not justice against enemies.
Perhaps the only way you could explain the change in her morale compass was the fact that she had changed in season 8 but perhaps the change happened so quickly the audience didn't realize it.
Basically you are arguing that her entitlement was greater than her compassion for people and the closer she got to the seat of power, the less compassion she had and the more entitlement she felt. Combine that with losing legitimacy and support from those close to her, she became desperate to cling to her status as queen.
I guess those who believe in Dany's good side could not accept her change in character. The change was evident in season 8 especially, but we didn't think she was capable of that.
Your best video I've seen since your twin peaks. Perfect music to back it up! Thx
Can you revisit twin peaks the return again? Every time I rewatch I notice something new. That being said, the most frustrating part of it all was the Audrey Horne thing.
Great video
I only saw season 1 but I always felt that she was the most evil character of all of them.
Yep. She's maybe the most obvious super villain of all time!
I remember that time Megatron risked everything to free slaves, oh wait.
@@sparkyfister Yeah good example
Exactly right! I've been saying this for years. The thing I didn't understand was why people like Tyrion and Jon became devoted to her, when she kept burning people to death. She did free slaves when they would love her for it - and she really loved being loved for it. Textbook narcissist. Well written altogether.
You talking about Hitlary Cersei Clinton, bro 😂
He who passes the sentence should swing the sword. Dany has no sword. Drogon is her sword. Her burning people to death for execution isn't much different than Ned killing a scared Nights Watch man in the first episode and due to the power of the dragons it kills pretty quickly.
Tyrion was coming from a bad place. He had to exile the relative comforts of being a noble after killing both his father and formerly the love of his life. He spent the entire trial watching every cynical remark he ever said come and bite him in the ass.
In short, Tyrion was desperately trying to renounce cynicism as a coping mechanism to the trauma he endured in S4. (Note he never again makes acerbic quips against people like he did in the first 4 seasons.) He was trying to learn to believe in something, because he really needed to believe in something at this low point in his life. And what's the first thing thrown in his face? Daenerys! A revolutionary who seems kind and motivated to do good thing and treats him with the respect he never had in his Lannister household, hell, even gives him his own HotQ pin! Who wouldn't lose his head in such a situation?
As for Jon... his initial impulse is to save his people, but there is one more controversial yet unmistakable impulse... Jon does NOT want to be a leader! He naturally defers to others whenever given a chance. It's not that he cannot lead, he is actually quite good at it, it's that it's not his thing, not something he finds any joy or fulfilment in.
Rummy you are the man!
Off topic here, but I am interested in your viewpoints on the new Twilight Zone!
I haven't gotten around to watching any of it yet.
Going to have to humbly disagree. You say that we’ve already had character development now it’s time for consequences. I feel like this is a bit of a cop-out. It’s severely underwhelming when many of your core characters are rushed and made to be something they certainly are not, or at the very least, ready to be. You used examples of Danny’s brutality but again, there are plenty examples of her being merciful. It was extremely undeserved for her to suddenly become an insane murderer to innocents is very out of character. And I think her arc isn’t even the worst. Jamie and Cerci’s final moments were pathetic and the tension built over 7 seasons was diminished. When people criticize Benioff and Weiss it’s because the show has lost the subversion that GRRM set out to accomplish. They indulged into the cliches of fantasy, and if this is also GRRM’s intention, they rushed it to the point where it is alarmingly jarring. I understand your perspective but I also disagree entirely. Keep up the good work WLW!
All good points. Trouble is, one can also argue that "It was extremely undeserved for her to suddenly become *MOTHER OF DRAGONS*", too.
She may have understood and tried her best to live up to some ethic like Stan Lee's maxim of 'with great power comes great responsibility' , but she succumbed to an overpowering genetic influence and a thirst for vengeance that got the better of her too many times.
shaft9000 I don’t disagree, my point is it is completely out of left field and undeserved. It may have been the trajectory of her character, but all we got was very subtle. No one snaps like that because of a few odd occurrences. It was rushed, and I think that is undeniable.
''It was extremely undeserved for her to suddenly become an insane murderer to innocents is very out of character.''
She already WAS an insane murderer when she ordered a bunch of people to be crucified without trial, when she burned an innocent man alive and fed him to her dragons and when she burned alive prisoners of war.
Great video. Thanks