These guys hate Honda's . They have been bought by Yamaha. CBR650f 0-60 3.5 seconds, Top Speed 150, has fairings wind protection for highway riders, Smoother and more stable at highway speeds. Much Quieter. Gastank 4.6 gallons. 50 mpg 230 mile range MT07 0-60 3.73 , Top Speed 133, no fairings, its more jerky and less stable. Gas tank 3.7 Gallons. 55mpg 203 mile range. I'll take this Honda CBR650F over an MT07 any day.
It 's a good comparison to my older 2008 Suzuki GSX650F. For my first motorcycle finally, after owning 80-500cc dirtbikes from age 13 to age 43 two years ago when I bought it, I really enjoy this m/c. I like that my GSX650F has a gear indicator, fuel gauge, 4-way flashers & a nice 5.0 gallon fuel tank. It has an 86 HP / 45.5 LB-FT 656cc Inline-4 with a 12,500 rpm redline. I just wish it had ABS. The 2009 model has it, but I don't like the lighter blue of the 2009+ models.
I don't need a gear position indicator, really. I just need a light that says, "you're in sixth, dummy." Except it shouldn't say "dummy" because that would be hurtful.
You're right that nobody really "needs" a gear indicator because at least most of us riders can count from 1-6. But at this day and age, with the way technology has advanced so far and you can source a nice LCD screen for cheap or even an analog setup with some regular button style lights that indicate the gear is a must for any bike that isn't considered "pretty low budget". Like I wouldn't expect it on a brand new $4500 bike... But maybe $6000+ it's kind of inexcusable. (even though I agree for most riders it's not even necessary).
I've had a 2014 CBR650F for 4 years now and it doesn't look like they've changed much, so I'll say I agree with your points. I wanted a good commuter that was capable of long days and I love the thing. I'm glad to see you ride one.
The thing i love about these bikes is that they are so flexible, they can make a sports tourer, they can fulfill weekend fun rides and even track days. It's just they are 'so' grown up that they lack the excitement factor.
I had the 2016 model and LOVED this bike. I'm taller at 6'4" and felt very comfortable. There's not one thing that I disagree with Zack about in his video. The bike does sound incredible with the Akra underslung exhaust. This is a great bike for the street.
MT/FZ-07 beats this inline-4 with twins, is quicker 0-180 km/h (0-112.5 mph) and is not that much behind in top speed. Being inline 4 should have meant The Smoothest engine, which sadly the 650F isn't.
Sumit Singh the MT may be quicker off the line but get them going in a mid range real world pull and we’ll see which bike pulls away ;) Edit: also Honda’s fit and finish exceeds Yamahas by a decent margin
@@deleater yeah but the 07 is a naked. I have an MT09, but I don't mind getting blasted with wind at speed. I assume people looking at the CBR650f (not the CB) want a faired bike.
I own a 2016 CBR650F and I have put the Two Brothers Tarmac Full exhaust and power commander. The bike is perfect for commuting and having fun over the weekend.
I absolutely love my 2015 Honda CBR650F non-ABS model. It’s been a great step-up bike for me. Fantastic bike delivers just the amount of sportiness to suit me and keeps me honest and focused out on the road. Add a tank bag and some saddle bags and hit the road with 45+ average MPG even with the saddle bags on. I’m considering an Airhawk to possibly stretch some time in the saddle. But I don’t regret having to stop for a break to stretch my legs every so often. I nearly always am eager to get back on the bike, flip the switch and get back on the road. Honda put the right amount of magic smoke in this model to blend a respectable amount of performance along with reliability. This bike is still big enough to really scare yourself on if you don’t respect it, but it’s been an amazing bike for me to continue to enjoy learning how to ride on. Enjoy and ride safe everyone!
The thing I love the most is the inline 4. The scream is awesome in high revs, things you can't find in competition atm. Wished they made more I4 bikes for middleweight bikes, instead of the crappy twin or triples... Just my 2 cents.
I love YT. First video I've watched on this channel, but appreciate the knowledgeable review from someone with 30 years in the seat. Thanks! I'm picking one of these up Saturday from a private seller for $1800 less than my local dealer is trying to sell a '14 - and mine will have ABS. I was stuck between a 500R and 600RR. Thanks to Honda I get most of what I wanted from both of those in ONE BIKE!
10:38 HP for 2018 model is @90. 2016 and below was @86. It's definitely the fastest in it's class. Plenty of videos show as such in comparison races. That's why it's more money. This is the ~650cc non sport bike that does closest to 600cc supersport speeds, out of the rest.
I got this bike to get back into riding after a bad crash in my teens. I was 30 when I got it and I’m 35 now and have over 13,000 miles. I love this as a daily driver. I just got a zx10r as my weekend toy/adrenaline dump. But I ride this every day unless there’s a hurricane (I live in the Florida panhandle) it’s more than fast enough for a beginner bike and fast enough to keep it in an enthusiasts collection. I can’t say enough how great this bike is
My 2016 is all blacked out. First bike and I love it. Good power, great clutch feel. 200 miles worth of driving in one day and it was smooth and comfortable
I got the 2015 cbr 650 fa. Me being a beginner and a sport bike fan, I like the bike very much! Rode a cbr 1000 rr the other day and the cbr 650 fits me way better. I like the power delivery, the corner handling, the fuel efficiency and the looks obviously. I just really like the whole package. I think it's a good bike to learn riding on, without having to sacrifice the Sportbike feel. Last week I rode with a couple of guys and they told me: "This is a Sportbike!", even though I thought it was more like a sport tourer, but it has the reception of a sport bike. If you ask me and you look for a great first bike, get the cbr 650 fa. Mine has abs, I got it for 5800€, 3 years old, pristine condition and I couldn't be happier. I love riding this little beast :D I enjoy every minute of it
This is one of those bikes that fits into that category of middle weight 600 beginner ish type bikes. Like the Yam FZ6R it has four cylinders while others in the class have 2. IMO, the thing that holds this model back from the others is the price. We can argue all day long about looks and character, but if you were to assemble all of these bikes together with your friends and went for a ride, they would all do well. These are great bikes for people who are not yet ready to ride a big,heavy, powerful liter bike or above. Good at just about everything.....
Good review, i own the CB650F2018, and i agree with most of your points. Kinda better at everything (than its competition) but abit too expensive, I got mine for a very good price. Nice bike really!
Please do a review of the 2019 cbr650r whenever it comes out!! I've been saving money and I really wanna hear your opinion on it before I consider getting one
Zack, great commute/review vid as usual! A couple requests for topics to mention during your rides if you could please: Ambient temp during ride, any engine/radiator heat blowing on your legs or wafting up onto the happy parts, airflow at your helmet smooth/quiet/turbulent/loud, and of course how bad does the seat suck. These are my three biggest concerns regarding comfort when considering a bike - I've had so many bikes that roast my legs and/or privates, loud and turbulent airflow off the screen, and seats that are little more than a vinyl wrapped cement block. Engine performance, braking, and handling are of course important, but if you can't stand to be on the bike for more than 15 minutes, or it roasts your various body parts as soon as the thermometer hits 80degF, then the bike is useless except for track days.
I own the 2018 model, and I must say that even though the newer 650R is on the market, the 2018 CBR650F remains a great purchase due to its price (they have practically the same engine) and features. In Europe, for the A2 license, it’s one of the few remaining 4-cylinder bikes. It’s a perfect bike for beginners, especially if you like sport bikes. This will help you transition later to something more powerful (like the 600RR or 1000RR) without too much difficulty when you get the A license. Although it’s quite docile, it’s a powerful and fast bike while still being comfortable. The engine is forgiving and won’t give you any scares, but when you exceed 5000-6000 rpm, it really gives you a thrill. Certainly, I won’t discredit other models like the Ninja 650 or the MT-07. I’ve gone on rides with friends who have the MT, and it’s a fantastic bike. But this is a matter of taste, and if you like 4-cylinders, you’ll probably be willing to sacrifice a bit of torque to hear this machine scream. Other than that, I agree with the cons (little buzzy over 4500-5000 rpm, no gear indicator and old display…). And I will add that you need to get a full exhaust system if you want to improve the sound ($$).
I swear, I look forward to new episodes of MC Commute more than any other CZcams channel, TV show, movie... pretty much anything! Keep up the fantastic work, Zack! :)
Nice looking bike, as customary for Honda. The gauge cluster isn't to my taste, but it displays all the relevant information clearly. Good size tank, theoretically makes for a longer time between fuel stops, but in reality you're probably going to be filling up just as often. I did expect it to be a little heavier than the middleweight Twins, but not that much heavier. Pricing, now there's the sticking point. Even with the better resale value of Honda's, MSRP alone makes the CBR650F a non-starter for me. Ultimately I'll be sticking with my Ninja 650. Thanks for the Video and Review.
My opinion on the heavier bikes is that they’re much more stable in the wind and at highway speed. To me, it’s actually an advantage as long as you have ample power.
Looks more comfertable then my 2006 Honda CBR600F. A bit more upright. If you're looking for a cheep sporty bike, i can recommend the 06 CBR600F. Best bike i've ever ridden. Almost perfect.
Yes. the CBR600F. It's only 199 kg (438 pounds) wet and with 110 hp it's got more then 0.55 hp per kg. Less power on the lower revs though. But a beast from 7000-8000 rpm up to 17000 rpm (if you red line it.)
By the numbers yeah, but you're buying an older bike with less comfortable ergos and a higher engine stress level, where as the 650 is new, under warranty, more reliable due to being under-stressed, and by virtue of not having as much power you can use what you do have more, and it takes a little longer to get into stupid territory. If you want a fast bike, the 600RR is still here, though it in itself is kinda like an 09 RR that looks worse but is under warranty, and is itself a bit disappointing. I think Honda is going in the right direction by shifting focus to more well-suited street bikes, but they're not there yet
Top review - I know you well enough to understand when you're disappointed. Yet you still give an objective review.. where most other 'reviewers' would crap on about their specific opinions - without giving the whole story. Your reviews are incredibly insightful. Cheers from Australia - keep up the good work
"That kind of zing you don't get from an MT-07, or a Ninja 650, or an SV 650". Yes! That's why I'm so effing curious to see what your thoughts on the FZ6R are. =P Now that price tag makes me think Honda abuses their clients. When I got my FZ6R (used), you could still get a new one. The FZ6R, the Ninja 650, the GSX 650F and the CBR 650F were VERY similar, but the Honda was about 20% more expensive, with absolutely nothing special to make up for that price difference. Anyway... Excellent video, guys! And, damn, did I miss MC Commute!
ryvoltz motorcycle.com did a comparison w the Honda, Yamaha, and kawi. The Yamaha won. I've test ridden the Honda and Yamaha and found the Yamaha more fun; it was easier to turn in while engine seemed quicker to spin up. Slight edge in brakes and suspension to the Honda, but not enough for the price difference. Insurance quote for the Honda was sky-high; maybe because of the CBR in the name.
I own a 09 FZ6R and I have to say it’s a great commuter bike. Here are my complaints. Throttle on and off is so harsh or maybe I just need to work on my throttle control. My ass hurts after 3 hours and I feel a little cramped at 3 hours as well. Cool to see other people like them!
@Christpoher Ortega Funny you should complain about throttle response and discomfort on the saddle. I, myself, find the throttle response okay (although I agree it could be better) and I took a 1000 mile trip last year with it, doing about 400 miles a day. No problems. Good to see you like it as a commuting bike, though. I totally agree on that. And thanks a lot for your comment! Cheers!
Feb 2020... walked into dealership and saw a new 2018 650F... Walked out the door paying $7002 including tax++ . For that price... this bike is the bomb... so comfortable too... and yes it can be a bit buzzy in the nether region at 6k but it's more like an "Oooh that's interesting" rather than a dealbreaker. This bike is in a class of it's own. Twins to me sound so frikkin cheap n raggity like a dirt bike. Like hearing a 4banger car or a V8. I give him props to say though it's not for him...there's nothing wrong with it. His beef in the end is the price compared to what he prefers...which is his bias. There's no accounting for taste. When I was younger, I had a CBR600F3 and now being 48, I have a 2014 Harley Breakout pushing 100HP along with the 650F. Every other ride, I switch up. Love them both. This review doesn't do it justice. Just saw his cbr500r review and he was much more please with it. Well the 650f is the same bike with much bigger balls.
the wifey had a CBR600F for a few years (UK), great bike, torquey, flexible, fast, could commute, tour. Had an LCD dash, took soft luggage well, good fuel mileage, comfy, good resale value. What's not to like? Honda sold more of them than the RR model.
Thanks a really comprehensive review of the bike, it is a bike that would be good second hand, with the Honda quality. I love the 600 class bikes but they are too much on the street this seems like a great compromise, apart from the price.
I find it amusing that people keep bitching about "overweight and underpowered" when the Honda has one of if not the highest P/W of its competitors. The only one that beats it outright is Ducati which cheats by upping the displacement by 150cc, using super light materials, and sacrificing reliability and price, and the only one that matches it is the MT-07. It's not trying to be a 600cc supersport People also seem to forget that the person who buys this kind of bike generally doesn't give a shit about numbers and buy the bike because it fits what they want out of a bike quite well. Humans are not "rational actors" and if they don't like the best value bike then it's not really an option, is it?
It's where it makes the power. If it lags for 80 percent of the entire power band then surges right before redline, then that is less usable power. Yeah, a ninja 650 is only like 70 horsepower, but it more of it available for more of the powerband. I'm not a Honda hater, I'm just saying why people say what they say.
my 2nd cb650f, brilliant,do anything bike,track days,commuting ,touring no problem.upside down forks,two-piece exhaust ,upgraded clocks and full 94 hp would have been nice but still imo the best middle-weight bike on the market......dave
Call me biased or not, I don't care, this is only my opinion, as such, all my opinions are based on the '16-'17 (or equivalent) versions of any bike mentioned in my comment. I purchased the 2016 model of the CBR650F non ABS in flat black/candy red in 2017 on sale, this being the second bike I've owned. I bought this bike not only for commuting, but as something I could have fun on the weekends with my friends. There's quite a few reasons I chose this bike over the Ninja 650, Yamaha FZ6R or MT07, or the SV650. Biggest one being noise, I don't typically like two cylinders. Sound plays a big part in my enjoyment of the bike I own, so the Ninja is out (even firing twin sounds bad to me). Next being comfort, like I said, I needed to commute on this machine and the seat on the MT07 was terrible, although it was quite narrow and fairly low to the ground, it has a "lip" on the front of the seat which, for someone like me who has shorter legs, I need to scoot forward in the seat at a light to flat foot it, which is uncomfortable if you're a male. Now it wasn't necessary for me to be able to flat foot the bike but, if I'm gonna spend ~$8K on a motorcycle, I want it to be everything I want in a motorcycle, right? Next factor being looks. Although I do love a good naked bike the Suzuki just wasn't quite doing it for me, and I think when it comes to looks, it's entirely biased. Different strokes for different folks I suppose. Now the last bike to choose from in this category was the FZ6R, which if I'm being honest, is the most comparable bike the the CBR in terms of looks, power, and comfort. Simple fact is, I was able to get a better price for the CBR than I could on the FZ6. At the time, the FZ6 was a '17 model, or at least it was new to the dealership, I can't quite remember. The CBR had a hefty $1K taken off the sale price because it was a year old and they were rolling in the 2018s in a few months at the Honda dealership. They literally told me they were just trying to get rid of it. Now, I still would've happily payed a couple hundred more bucks to get the Honda because, in my personal opinion, it's a better bike than the FZ6 in almost every way. My first bike was an '83 CB650 that I absolutely adore, and because of that fact, it played a big part in what bike I chose to ride next. However, say for instance I owned and old Kawi Z650, Yamaha XS, or even a Suzuki GS, I believe I still would've chosen the Honda for the reasons I've listed above. Here's a short list of what I like and dislike about the '16 CBR650F Pros: -Comfortable neutral riding position -usable power (decent low end torque and good top end horsepower) -standard sport bike tires (SV650 uses 160 instead of 180 for rear) -easy to maintain (oil changes, chain tightening/lube) -mileage (I typically get 40-45 MPG if I drive like a grandma; ~30 if I'm having fun) Cons: -lack of gear indicator or temp gauge -one piece exhaust -suspension (really stiff and unforgiving on bad roads) [EDIT] -transmission (I wish 6th gear was overdriven so it was possible to cruise on the freeway @80mph and still get ~40mpg)
In my opinion, you definitely went with the better bike. What mostly sold me, is while the most expensive, it's also the fastest of all the bikes in it's class. For example, the fz6 you mentioned only has 63 hp and 36 ft/lb of torque, while the 650f is at 86/46. They even increased it to 90 for 2018 model. Saw plenty videos at the time of the cbr always being ahead in comparison races. The way I saw it, you get close to SuperSport power while being comfortable. The other cheaper bikes, more of a boost from a 500 And I'm pretty jealous you got that color. It's impossible to find brand new. That coloring style was what sold me even more.
Honestly I probably wouldn't have bought it if the dealer didn't have it in that color. Like I said in my original comment, it was to be my second bike, so I might have gone with something bigger. But, I'm happy with my purchase. I'll keep it for another few years.
I have an old kz750ltd, similar to the CB650 I guess. I havent ridden anything else though, so could you tell me, How does the new honda compare to your old one?
As an owner my complaints are... 1.Wasted space on the gauges.(which was kinda pointed out) Gear position indicator and actual temp. reading would've been cool. 2. No USD fork. It's 2018... Honda put USD forks on the Grom, but not this. (??) I'm sure they coulda carried over the forks from the '05 600RR. 3. Fuel tank. . .when the gauge is down to 1 lil flashing cube, and screamin for a fill up, I barely get 2.5 gallons in it. I consider it a "sport commuter". Real comfy, but tank gets only about 120 miles. I've pushed it to 125, but thats being conservative with the throttle. Mods. Ohlins rear shock, and spring kit in the front. Venhill braided lines. And oh yeah. . . I took off those god awful foot pegs, and put on a pair from a crashed 2015 1K RR. they fit no problem.
They're extremely comfortable. I'd say more comfy than the 500s and that's saying something, and you get a little bit of oomph in the top end, which the 500 is sadly lacking.
kings17court for a i4 this is a torquier 4 cylinder, runs a longer stroke vs the short stroke super high revving i4’s in the 600’s. I would spend the extra over a MT or Ninja strictly for the superior fit and finish, and having the plastics really makes it more comfortable on interstate commutes which I do every day...
When I was looking to upgrade to a 600, the 2018 Honda cbr650f was in the running as well as the 2017 Kawasaki ninja 650. I went with the Kawasaki ninja 650 only because I didn't want to wait for the 2018 Honda cbr650f, and after watching this video I think I made the right choice in picking the 2017 Kawasaki ninja 650! Thanks as always for your unbais opinions Zack!!
Oso 11 the ninja 650 hp is 68 to 70 depending on which Dyno you look at weighing with abs 429lbs. I believe Zack said the HP for the cbr650 I'd 79 so not far off plus the ninja is lighter!
CBR650 is really more like 85 horsepower, upwards of 90 if you are mr moneybags and regularly put race gas in it. At kerb weight, that's around 50hp/ton more than the 650. CBR also has more power up top after the Ninja falls off
Unfortunately I don't think so, both bikes were updated only last year and the nekked looks very similar to the faired. Still, if you want an inline 4 standard it's the only up-to-date option under 100hp.
E Brown I got one here in Canada but if I'm not mistaken they launched the naked version this year in north America. It's been available for a couple of years in Europe but it's new to us here in 2018.
The Yamaha Fz6 is the bike to get. Not to be confused with the fz6r! The fz6 is extremely comfy. Fast and has great 4 cylinder torque at even 4 or 5 thousand rpm. And it screams to 14,000 rpm and makes 100 horsepower at 12,000. Look at the 2007-2009 fz6. Half the price of these bike and 20 more horsepower.
I put about 30 miles on this bike when my brother owned it. Loved it! Rode it down to the Wedge at Newport Beach for fun. It was so fast. Couldn't disagree more about the torque and speed. Only thing I didn't like about it was the shifting was a little clunky (but maybe I was pressing too hard).
in Europe we had 2011-2013 CBR 600F (PC41), which fell pretty much within the same "budget" I4 segment but with several important differences: 600cc w/ 102hp, around 13k rpm redline, inverted forks and a digital instrument cluster; was around €7-8k new (tax included), produced in Italy (Honda Industriale S.p.A, not the Japanese factory); having experienced both it and its predecessor (PC35) it's a bit neutered in comparison, so this 650F looks a bit too mild and much more expensive than the alternatives
I liked the F4i better. It's a bummer that they really haven't captured that bike's appeal since. The CBR6xxF series was really down since then. The 600rr splitting off of the F series was good, but the F4i just did everything for me in a way nothing really has since in that class.
I am looking to buy this bike new(leftover 2018) and this video was exactly what I was looking for. Even more I think the bike is exactly what I am looking for. Not your taste I understand, but perfect for my use. Thanks!
Compared to my last bike a Bandit GSF 650 the Honda Cb650F is a lightweight, easier to move around, more nimble, easy to corner, nice n progressive on the throttle none of the twist n shit myself go or no go performance & a fantastic everyday all rounder for a fairly new rider coupled with if I want a full on blast enough to stain my pants it delivers bike.
Had a couple cruiser bikes, rode a Ninja 650 a few times. And rode an old Radian 600 (liked the surprise power at the top end on that bike). Ninja bars were too close and upright for my long arms, and the power seemed way too linear even for a novice like me so there was never any surprise power with it at the top end. Would like something sporty enough to give you more when you want it, and enough of a forward lean that at my typical 65mph commute Im not fighting to stay on or have wrist pain. Although a bit more than the others, it seems like a good "wont kill you quick" sportier bike for a 50 year old that doesn't have 30 years experience. (more like 4). Great reviews you do! From your reviews I know what "you" like, and even if your review wasn't totally positive, it looks like something I would like alot. That shows your talent.... Thanks and keep it up..
I have this bike and I am fully satisfied for street use, even the odd sporty but legal ride and a daily commute. The small inline 4 beats every thumper and twin regarding versatility up to relaxed riding while still retaining some reserves in legal traffic. It is unobtrusive and compliant if driven with some feeling and reminiscent of it's limits. If you buy this for the looks and then complain it is no R or RR - well. No. It is not. And it was never meant to be. It is unfortunately the only option left for someone looking for an affordable sub-750 inline 4 with fairings and a more relaxed approach to riding than a R(R) while still being a hunch sportier than a pure naked. I also bet against 95% of all the ppl who complain about this bike's power, weight ratio, torque, non-adjustable fork etc. that they believe themeselves to be street Rossi while unable to ride even this bike close to it's limit.
aluisious you're probably right. Forget that consumer reports ranked Ducati 8th place in its 2007-2014 reliability comparison and Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, and Suzuki in the top 4 positions. Thay are probably biased against European vehicles in general. Obviously they never talked to you with your 100% accurate and not biased in the least opionion on the matter.
Suggestions for upcoming MC Commutes: the more commutable single R BMW, S1000R Ducati Monster 821 (A big seller, but larely ignored by the magazines - dare to be different Zack) Yamaha MT-07, yes, yes, we know you like it, but has it ever done an MC Commute? Suzuki SV650 becasue there so many used ones around, this time change it up and test an older model, let us know if it makes a good used bike for communiting. A couple of smaller crusiers: Star Bolt R-Spec and an M50 and my #1 request, as SOON as you can get your hands on one - the KTM 790 Duke!!!!! (Have you done the 690 already?)
Great review many thanks. I’ve just got one and I love it. I’m a conservative rider though. I got a gear indicator added. I just find the engine so smooth.
Hello! do you think a complete beginner can handle the cbf 650f and would you recommend it as an entry bike? I would rather start slow on a 300cc and 500cc but since I am 6'3 they are all too small for me
As an owner I... Like: usability ease of use ABS (saved me a couple of times) sound wind protection (more than naked) mileage ( I get about 50) Don't like: weight (needs to be low 400's) no gear indicator transmission mirrors headlight power-to-weight Overall I bought mine new in 2018 and almost a year later I'm bored with it. This is my second bike that I have EVER owned. The one before this was a Suzuki 80 DS about 30 years ago.
this bike should be compared against the fz6r. both are inline 4, half naked, similar front end, mpg, and heavy weight. but the fz is $1k cheaper. imo, inline 4 sport tourings are made for commuters that want that high reving noise from their engine. As a fz6, fz1, iron 1200 owner, engines that make better torque in the lower revs and are more fuel efficient (parallel/v twins/triple/boxer) are better for commuters and it is more fun bc the power comes on early which is where we spend most of our time riding at.
I had this bike in matte black 2015 model year with ABS. Its was a nice bike, very reliable and easy to ride. However, the seat was uncomfortable, the bars felt awkward and it was also a somewhat boring bike and lacked the special feeling my other bikes have given me. Something about this bike just felt "dorky" to me. I sold it and got a 2018 Ducati Supersport S, which in no way suffers from being boring. Bottom line: the Honda is a great beginner bike but if you're looking for more fun, power, electronics and style, and willing to spend the extra money and accept the higher overall total cost of ownership, get the Ducati Supersport.
It's so obvious when Zac doesn't like a motorcycle. You can tell even before he hops on the bike. This bike is a typical Honda. Linear power, forgiving and enough torque to manage traffic. Boring but reliable bike.
Hello! since you mentioned it has linear power and is forgiving, do you think a complete beginner can handle this bike and use it as his first one to start riding?
hey, thanks a lot for your assessment! I recently test rode a ninja 650. beautiful bike but it is just too small for me. it has 68 hp, yet the torque is the same as for the the honda cbr 650f (both around 65Nm) which means that the power of the cbr lies in the higher revs. now the ninja is regarded to be the better entry bike because of its less power. but what I conclude from this is, that if you dont pull the throttle like a maniac on the cbr and stay in low-mid range revs, it should be pretty much the same as the ninja, probably even a bit slower in the low revs since in aint that torquey and has much more weight than the light ninja
Not really, unless you're matching rev-for-rev the CBR has about 50hp/ton more than the ninja 650 due to having 25% more power, hovering around 82hp up to 90 on a good day. Not a big difference, but the CBR will be a little faster in ideal conditions. The thing witht he CBR is it will have more power up top after the Ninja levels off. The Ninja is probably the better first bike and the CBR is probably the better second bike
Yeah this bike was never meant for the US market. Americans want bikes to have "personality" all the time, that's why the FZ09 sells well there but nowhere else. the CBR650 sells like hotcakes in Asia because it's an inline 4 and reliable. Americans are just done with inline 4's.
Hey Matte can you explain what 'personality' means in this bike? Genuinely curious. Reviewer says MT-07 is 'spunkier' and 'more fun'. What are the characteristics you guys are referring too?
I just picked up this exact bike in the same color. I mostly love it. There's a FEW things I'm not a fan of. When you get out on the freeway with 75mph limit, to ME it feels really buzzy above 6k RPM, nearly as buzzy as my former Ninja 650 parallel twin. I find it significantly more comfortable at 5500 or below. Not a fan of the sound of a blender full of bbs. That being said, it does sound much better when it's under load than just cruising. Maybe it's the chain lash or something that makes it seem so buzzy. Another thing that I found odd, when first starting it in the mornings to ride to work, I noticed that if you give it any more than ~70% throttle suddenly before it's warmed up good, it kinda chokes and sputters a bit. Not very confidence inspiring, but fortunately it goes away once warmed up. Lastly, the shit halogen headlight. The FIRST upgrade I made was an LED unit, because the yellow halogen single bulb is dogshit. And I almost forgot, I definitely wish the 6 gears were spaced out a little more. I really appreciate that it has 6 (some motorcycles only have 5), but honestly they really could've spaced them out further and it would be a more comfortable ride. To be able to cruise around at 35mph in 6th seems a bit short geared. If they were to spread them out more and maybe make that 6th gear about 15% taller, that would also help with the buziness at 80mph cruising. Those things aside, this really is a great bike, and I really do like it despite those issues.
Definitley not available for a random MC commute. They could try the F3 675 or 800, or regular f4 for a commute. (or long term) They did the brutale 800 though :) Great motorcycle, but video's comment section ruined it by 1 single lose bolt which droppped the gear lever -_- totally overshadows the actual amazing bike.
Honda > than any American manufacturer. Check the list of race wins Honda have across such a diverse range of racing from road racing to track, world super bikes, Moto GP, Isel of Man TT, enduro, MotoX, Paris Dakar, trials bikes, F1, that American racing whatever it's called, touring cars, boat racing. It's incredible when you look at it. I think they've won more bikes races or titles than all other manufacturers added together.
I got the 2016 version of this and it was the perfect bike for me. I'm coming up from a 125 with nothing in-between I wanted something with enough capacity I could take on the motorway but not be a huge jump from the 125, I don't own a car so this is going to be a daily driver commutercycle and to top it off I got a ridiculous price (just over half the RRP) with 0 miles on the clock. My other options were a new smaller bike or a sportier second hand. having said all that there is nothing in this review I disagree with.
I had a 2016. I found the engine dead under 4000 revs as liked keeping the revs above 7000. I still got 55mpg imperial. I found the mirrors vibey but it's a good bike. For me I sold it as I just always chased the power up top, something I haven't done in 10 years of riding. Very responsible above 7000 rpm and even good from 5500
These guys hate Honda's . They have been bought by Yamaha. CBR650f 0-60 3.5 seconds, Top Speed 150, has fairings wind protection for highway riders, Smoother and more stable at highway speeds. Much Quieter. Gastank 4.6 gallons. 50 mpg 230 mile range MT07 0-60 3.73 , Top Speed 133, no fairings, its more jerky and less stable. Gas tank 3.7 Gallons. 55mpg 203 mile range. I'll take this Honda CBR650F over an MT07 any day.
It 's a good comparison to my older 2008 Suzuki GSX650F. For my first motorcycle finally, after owning 80-500cc dirtbikes from age 13 to age 43 two years ago when I bought it, I really enjoy this m/c. I like that my GSX650F has a gear indicator, fuel gauge, 4-way flashers & a nice 5.0 gallon fuel tank. It has an 86 HP / 45.5 LB-FT 656cc Inline-4 with a 12,500 rpm redline. I just wish it had ABS. The 2009 model has it, but I don't like the lighter blue of the 2009+ models.
I don't need a gear position indicator, really. I just need a light that says, "you're in sixth, dummy." Except it shouldn't say "dummy" because that would be hurtful.
i think you are very stupid
Alfio Spuson and you are socially inept.
Alfio Spuson you’re dumb
just a light that says "reminder, there is no 7th, so stop trying ;) "
You're right that nobody really "needs" a gear indicator because at least most of us riders can count from 1-6. But at this day and age, with the way technology has advanced so far and you can source a nice LCD screen for cheap or even an analog setup with some regular button style lights that indicate the gear is a must for any bike that isn't considered "pretty low budget". Like I wouldn't expect it on a brand new $4500 bike... But maybe $6000+ it's kind of inexcusable. (even though I agree for most riders it's not even necessary).
I've had a 2014 CBR650F for 4 years now and it doesn't look like they've changed much, so I'll say I agree with your points. I wanted a good commuter that was capable of long days and I love the thing. I'm glad to see you ride one.
Do you still have the CBR to this day?
Nice video, Zack. Only a great employee would note that he's late for work while doing work for his job.
Addy Adderson lol
8:10
The thing i love about these bikes is that they are so flexible, they can make a sports tourer, they can fulfill weekend fun rides and even track days. It's just they are 'so' grown up that they lack the excitement factor.
You just described an FZ07 also. And, the FZ07 is NOT boring ;)
Aakarshan Bhagat you can do all the same things on a V4 Tuono, only difference is it will be fun.
Tenaciousdomi no offense but the fz07 is no track bike even on the street the suspension is so plush it feels like a pogo stick...
I'm not a fan of traditional IL4's, now those Yamaha crossplane 4's are bonerific.
I had the 2016 model and LOVED this bike. I'm taller at 6'4" and felt very comfortable. There's not one thing that I disagree with Zack about in his video. The bike does sound incredible with the Akra underslung exhaust. This is a great bike for the street.
why is everyone complaining this bike isnt as exciting as others in its class when it makes like 30 crank hp more than everything else in the class?
Exactly! Idiots don't know what the fuck they're talking about
Exactly!!! I usually agree with this guys motoblogs, but wow, what an idiot today
MT/FZ-07 beats this inline-4 with twins, is quicker 0-180 km/h (0-112.5 mph) and is not that much behind in top speed. Being inline 4 should have meant The Smoothest engine, which sadly the 650F isn't.
Sumit Singh the MT may be quicker off the line but get them going in a mid range real world pull and we’ll see which bike pulls away ;)
Edit: also Honda’s fit and finish exceeds Yamahas by a decent margin
@@deleater yeah but the 07 is a naked. I have an MT09, but I don't mind getting blasted with wind at speed.
I assume people looking at the CBR650f (not the CB) want a faired bike.
I have a 2014 650f for 3 years now and i love this bike.
Excellent handling and in line 4 power. Very reliable.
Just picked up a 2016 w/ 6k miles! Coming from a CBR500R I'm in LOVE!!!!❤
how much did you pay for it? I am checking out a 2018 model with 6k miles tomorrow
I own a 2016 CBR650F and I have put the Two Brothers Tarmac Full exhaust and power commander. The bike is perfect for commuting and having fun over the weekend.
I'm getting ready to do the same setup to my bike. which map did you use after installing the power commander?
I fucking love this bike, it's like they designed it specifically for me. It's perfect in every way.
I absolutely love my 2015 Honda CBR650F non-ABS model. It’s been a great step-up bike for me. Fantastic bike delivers just the amount of sportiness to suit me and keeps me honest and focused out on the road. Add a tank bag and some saddle bags and hit the road with 45+ average MPG even with the saddle bags on. I’m considering an Airhawk to possibly stretch some time in the saddle. But I don’t regret having to stop for a break to stretch my legs every so often. I nearly always am eager to get back on the bike, flip the switch and get back on the road. Honda put the right amount of magic smoke in this model to blend a respectable amount of performance along with reliability. This bike is still big enough to really scare yourself on if you don’t respect it, but it’s been an amazing bike for me to continue to enjoy learning how to ride on. Enjoy and ride safe everyone!
The thing I love the most is the inline 4. The scream is awesome in high revs, things you can't find in competition atm.
Wished they made more I4 bikes for middleweight bikes, instead of the crappy twin or triples...
Just my 2 cents.
Triples sounds way better
@@dujuanjohnson5025 I respect your opinion. But still prefer a 4 banger. Regardless, ride safe
Crappy twins and triples? Lol you must be a newbie. A lot of twins will smoke a 4 if you're talking 0-100
@@teslaedison6236 I wouldnt buy a I4 for the 0-100 times, I want high top end. And that only a few 2 , 3 cyl can keep up.
@@teslaedison6236 I've owned a mt07 and this and just saying the cbr is much faster
This is by far the best bike for the street... perfect balance between power, reliability and fun! I just love Hondas anyway!
I love YT. First video I've watched on this channel, but appreciate the knowledgeable review from someone with 30 years in the seat. Thanks! I'm picking one of these up Saturday from a private seller for $1800 less than my local dealer is trying to sell a '14 - and mine will have ABS. I was stuck between a 500R and 600RR. Thanks to Honda I get most of what I wanted from both of those in ONE BIKE!
10:38 HP for 2018 model is @90. 2016 and below was @86. It's definitely the fastest in it's class. Plenty of videos show as such in comparison races. That's why it's more money. This is the ~650cc non sport bike that does closest to 600cc supersport speeds, out of the rest.
I got this bike to get back into riding after a bad crash in my teens. I was 30 when I got it and I’m 35 now and have over 13,000 miles. I love this as a daily driver. I just got a zx10r as my weekend toy/adrenaline dump. But I ride this every day unless there’s a hurricane (I live in the Florida panhandle) it’s more than fast enough for a beginner bike and fast enough to keep it in an enthusiasts collection. I can’t say enough how great this bike is
I couldn't imagine NOT having a bike in Cali. Also, great review!! love these
My 2016 is all blacked out. First bike and I love it. Good power, great clutch feel. 200 miles worth of driving in one day and it was smooth and comfortable
I got the 2015 cbr 650 fa. Me being a beginner and a sport bike fan, I like the bike very much! Rode a cbr 1000 rr the other day and the cbr 650 fits me way better. I like the power delivery, the corner handling, the fuel efficiency and the looks obviously. I just really like the whole package. I think it's a good bike to learn riding on, without having to sacrifice the Sportbike feel. Last week I rode with a couple of guys and they told me: "This is a Sportbike!", even though I thought it was more like a sport tourer, but it has the reception of a sport bike. If you ask me and you look for a great first bike, get the cbr 650 fa. Mine has abs, I got it for 5800€, 3 years old, pristine condition and I couldn't be happier. I love riding this little beast :D I enjoy every minute of it
It looks and sounds better than all of the competition.
This is one of those bikes that fits into that category of middle weight 600 beginner ish type bikes. Like the Yam FZ6R it has four cylinders while others in the class have 2. IMO, the thing that holds this model back from the others is the price. We can argue all day long about looks and character, but if you were to assemble all of these bikes together with your friends and went for a ride, they would all do well. These are great bikes for people who are not yet ready to ride a big,heavy, powerful liter bike or above. Good at just about everything.....
Good review, i own the CB650F2018, and i agree with most of your points. Kinda better at everything (than its competition) but abit too expensive, I got mine for a very good price. Nice bike really!
Please do a review of the 2019 cbr650r whenever it comes out!! I've been saving money and I really wanna hear your opinion on it before I consider getting one
seconded!
Did you end up buying it
Zack, great commute/review vid as usual! A couple requests for topics to mention during your rides if you could please: Ambient temp during ride, any engine/radiator heat blowing on your legs or wafting up onto the happy parts, airflow at your helmet smooth/quiet/turbulent/loud, and of course how bad does the seat suck. These are my three biggest concerns regarding comfort when considering a bike - I've had so many bikes that roast my legs and/or privates, loud and turbulent airflow off the screen, and seats that are little more than a vinyl wrapped cement block. Engine performance, braking, and handling are of course important, but if you can't stand to be on the bike for more than 15 minutes, or it roasts your various body parts as soon as the thermometer hits 80degF, then the bike is useless except for track days.
I love the smoothness of Honda bikes. It feel grounded. Plus inline 4 is way better. Just got that exact bike
I own the 2018 model, and I must say that even though the newer 650R is on the market, the 2018 CBR650F remains a great purchase due to its price (they have practically the same engine) and features.
In Europe, for the A2 license, it’s one of the few remaining 4-cylinder bikes. It’s a perfect bike for beginners, especially if you like sport bikes. This will help you transition later to something more powerful (like the 600RR or 1000RR) without too much difficulty when you get the A license. Although it’s quite docile, it’s a powerful and fast bike while still being comfortable. The engine is forgiving and won’t give you any scares, but when you exceed 5000-6000 rpm, it really gives you a thrill.
Certainly, I won’t discredit other models like the Ninja 650 or the MT-07. I’ve gone on rides with friends who have the MT, and it’s a fantastic bike. But this is a matter of taste, and if you like 4-cylinders, you’ll probably be willing to sacrifice a bit of torque to hear this machine scream.
Other than that, I agree with the cons (little buzzy over 4500-5000 rpm, no gear indicator and old display…). And I will add that you need to get a full exhaust system if you want to improve the sound ($$).
I swear, I look forward to new episodes of MC Commute more than any other CZcams channel, TV show, movie... pretty much anything! Keep up the fantastic work, Zack! :)
Nice looking bike, as customary for Honda.
The gauge cluster isn't to my taste, but it displays all the relevant information clearly.
Good size tank, theoretically makes for a longer time between fuel stops, but in reality you're probably going to be filling up just as often.
I did expect it to be a little heavier than the middleweight Twins, but not that much heavier.
Pricing, now there's the sticking point. Even with the better resale value of Honda's, MSRP alone makes the CBR650F a non-starter for me.
Ultimately I'll be sticking with my Ninja 650.
Thanks for the Video and Review.
My opinion on the heavier bikes is that they’re much more stable in the wind and at highway speed. To me, it’s actually an advantage as long as you have ample power.
Looks more comfertable then my 2006 Honda CBR600F. A bit more upright. If you're looking for a cheep sporty bike, i can recommend the 06 CBR600F. Best bike i've ever ridden. Almost perfect.
You mean CB600F? aka 599? If you find a used one It'll deffinately be cheap, and the performance isn't worse than the new 650...
No cbr 600f and it has alot mor power and will be a fuck load faster than that 650 the 600 is lighter and has 110 hp to the 650 80
Yes. the CBR600F. It's only 199 kg (438 pounds) wet and with 110 hp it's got more then 0.55 hp per kg. Less power on the lower revs though. But a beast from 7000-8000 rpm up to 17000 rpm (if you red line it.)
By the numbers yeah, but you're buying an older bike with less comfortable ergos and a higher engine stress level, where as the 650 is new, under warranty, more reliable due to being under-stressed, and by virtue of not having as much power you can use what you do have more, and it takes a little longer to get into stupid territory. If you want a fast bike, the 600RR is still here, though it in itself is kinda like an 09 RR that looks worse but is under warranty, and is itself a bit disappointing. I think Honda is going in the right direction by shifting focus to more well-suited street bikes, but they're not there yet
Top review - I know you well enough to understand when you're disappointed. Yet you still give an objective review.. where most other 'reviewers' would crap on about their specific opinions - without giving the whole story. Your reviews are incredibly insightful. Cheers from Australia - keep up the good work
Im glad you did this bike! As soon as I saw the thumbnail I said, ah Thats great, I definitely want to see that!
"That kind of zing you don't get from an MT-07, or a Ninja 650, or an SV 650". Yes! That's why I'm so effing curious to see what your thoughts on the FZ6R are. =P Now that price tag makes me think Honda abuses their clients. When I got my FZ6R (used), you could still get a new one. The FZ6R, the Ninja 650, the GSX 650F and the CBR 650F were VERY similar, but the Honda was about 20% more expensive, with absolutely nothing special to make up for that price difference. Anyway... Excellent video, guys! And, damn, did I miss MC Commute!
ryvoltz motorcycle.com did a comparison w the Honda, Yamaha, and kawi. The Yamaha won. I've test ridden the Honda and Yamaha and found the Yamaha more fun; it was easier to turn in while engine seemed quicker to spin up. Slight edge in brakes and suspension to the Honda, but not enough for the price difference.
Insurance quote for the Honda was sky-high; maybe because of the CBR in the name.
Thanks for the feedback, man! I've been curious to find out if I'm just an FZ6R fanboy or if I've really got reasons to like it so much. Cheers!
I own a 09 FZ6R and I have to say it’s a great commuter bike. Here are my complaints. Throttle on and off is so harsh or maybe I just need to work on my throttle control. My ass hurts after 3 hours and I feel a little cramped at 3 hours as well. Cool to see other people like them!
@Christpoher Ortega Funny you should complain about throttle response and discomfort on the saddle. I, myself, find the throttle response okay (although I agree it could be better) and I took a 1000 mile trip last year with it, doing about 400 miles a day. No problems. Good to see you like it as a commuting bike, though. I totally agree on that. And thanks a lot for your comment! Cheers!
Please do the 2018 MT-07 next and talk about the suspension/seat upgrades.
Feb 2020... walked into dealership and saw a new 2018 650F... Walked out the door paying $7002 including tax++ . For that price... this bike is the bomb... so comfortable too... and yes it can be a bit buzzy in the nether region at 6k but it's more like an "Oooh that's interesting" rather than a dealbreaker. This bike is in a class of it's own. Twins to me sound so frikkin cheap n raggity like a dirt bike. Like hearing a 4banger car or a V8. I give him props to say though it's not for him...there's nothing wrong with it. His beef in the end is the price compared to what he prefers...which is his bias. There's no accounting for taste. When I was younger, I had a CBR600F3 and now being 48, I have a 2014 Harley Breakout pushing 100HP along with the 650F. Every other ride, I switch up. Love them both. This review doesn't do it justice. Just saw his cbr500r review and he was much more please with it. Well the 650f is the same bike with much bigger balls.
About time this bike was reviewed MM!
Automatic thumbs up, before watching like always.
Ball gobbler
the wifey had a CBR600F for a few years (UK), great bike, torquey, flexible, fast, could commute, tour. Had an LCD dash, took soft luggage well, good fuel mileage, comfy, good resale value. What's not to like? Honda sold more of them than the RR model.
Thanks a really comprehensive review of the bike, it is a bike that would be good second hand, with the Honda quality. I love the 600 class bikes but they are too much on the street this seems like a great compromise, apart from the price.
I find it amusing that people keep bitching about "overweight and underpowered" when the Honda has one of if not the highest P/W of its competitors. The only one that beats it outright is Ducati which cheats by upping the displacement by 150cc, using super light materials, and sacrificing reliability and price, and the only one that matches it is the MT-07. It's not trying to be a 600cc supersport
People also seem to forget that the person who buys this kind of bike generally doesn't give a shit about numbers and buy the bike because it fits what they want out of a bike quite well. Humans are not "rational actors" and if they don't like the best value bike then it's not really an option, is it?
It's where it makes the power. If it lags for 80 percent of the entire power band then surges right before redline, then that is less usable power. Yeah, a ninja 650 is only like 70 horsepower, but it more of it available for more of the powerband. I'm not a Honda hater, I'm just saying why people say what they say.
The only show that I look forward to
Finally an American 650f review
my 2nd cb650f, brilliant,do anything bike,track days,commuting ,touring no problem.upside down forks,two-piece exhaust ,upgraded clocks and full 94 hp would have been nice but still imo the best middle-weight bike on the market......dave
Call me biased or not, I don't care, this is only my opinion, as such, all my opinions are based on the '16-'17 (or equivalent) versions of any bike mentioned in my comment. I purchased the 2016 model of the CBR650F non ABS in flat black/candy red in 2017 on sale, this being the second bike I've owned. I bought this bike not only for commuting, but as something I could have fun on the weekends with my friends. There's quite a few reasons I chose this bike over the Ninja 650, Yamaha FZ6R or MT07, or the SV650. Biggest one being noise, I don't typically like two cylinders. Sound plays a big part in my enjoyment of the bike I own, so the Ninja is out (even firing twin sounds bad to me). Next being comfort, like I said, I needed to commute on this machine and the seat on the MT07 was terrible, although it was quite narrow and fairly low to the ground, it has a "lip" on the front of the seat which, for someone like me who has shorter legs, I need to scoot forward in the seat at a light to flat foot it, which is uncomfortable if you're a male. Now it wasn't necessary for me to be able to flat foot the bike but, if I'm gonna spend ~$8K on a motorcycle, I want it to be everything I want in a motorcycle, right? Next factor being looks. Although I do love a good naked bike the Suzuki just wasn't quite doing it for me, and I think when it comes to looks, it's entirely biased. Different strokes for different folks I suppose. Now the last bike to choose from in this category was the FZ6R, which if I'm being honest, is the most comparable bike the the CBR in terms of looks, power, and comfort. Simple fact is, I was able to get a better price for the CBR than I could on the FZ6. At the time, the FZ6 was a '17 model, or at least it was new to the dealership, I can't quite remember. The CBR had a hefty $1K taken off the sale price because it was a year old and they were rolling in the 2018s in a few months at the Honda dealership. They literally told me they were just trying to get rid of it. Now, I still would've happily payed a couple hundred more bucks to get the Honda because, in my personal opinion, it's a better bike than the FZ6 in almost every way. My first bike was an '83 CB650 that I absolutely adore, and because of that fact, it played a big part in what bike I chose to ride next. However, say for instance I owned and old Kawi Z650, Yamaha XS, or even a Suzuki GS, I believe I still would've chosen the Honda for the reasons I've listed above.
Here's a short list of what I like and dislike about the '16 CBR650F
Pros:
-Comfortable neutral riding position
-usable power (decent low end torque and good top end horsepower)
-standard sport bike tires (SV650 uses 160 instead of 180 for rear)
-easy to maintain (oil changes, chain tightening/lube)
-mileage (I typically get 40-45 MPG if I drive like a grandma; ~30 if I'm having fun)
Cons:
-lack of gear indicator or temp gauge
-one piece exhaust
-suspension (really stiff and unforgiving on bad roads)
[EDIT]
-transmission (I wish 6th gear was overdriven so it was possible to cruise on the freeway @80mph and still get ~40mpg)
In my opinion, you definitely went with the better bike. What mostly sold me, is while the most expensive, it's also the fastest of all the bikes in it's class. For example, the fz6 you mentioned only has 63 hp and 36 ft/lb of torque, while the 650f is at 86/46. They even increased it to 90 for 2018 model. Saw plenty videos at the time of the cbr always being ahead in comparison races. The way I saw it, you get close to SuperSport power while being comfortable. The other cheaper bikes, more of a boost from a 500
And I'm pretty jealous you got that color. It's impossible to find brand new. That coloring style was what sold me even more.
Honestly I probably wouldn't have bought it if the dealer didn't have it in that color. Like I said in my original comment, it was to be my second bike, so I might have gone with something bigger. But, I'm happy with my purchase. I'll keep it for another few years.
I have an old kz750ltd, similar to the CB650 I guess.
I havent ridden anything else though, so could you tell me,
How does the new honda compare to your old one?
As an owner my complaints are...
1.Wasted space on the gauges.(which was kinda pointed out)
Gear position indicator and actual temp. reading would've been cool.
2. No USD fork. It's 2018... Honda put USD forks on the Grom, but not this. (??) I'm sure they coulda carried over the forks from the '05 600RR.
3. Fuel tank. . .when the gauge is down to 1 lil flashing cube, and screamin for a fill up, I barely get 2.5 gallons in it.
I consider it a "sport commuter". Real comfy, but tank gets only about 120 miles. I've pushed it to 125, but thats being conservative with the throttle.
Mods. Ohlins rear shock, and spring kit in the front.
Venhill braided lines.
And oh yeah. . . I took off those god awful foot pegs, and put on a pair from a crashed 2015 1K RR. they fit no problem.
Art Rendon that fuel gauge must be a Honda thing, my cbr125r does the same thing..
USD doesn't equal good and good doesn't equal USD
Thats odd you are only getting 125 miles per tank. Im getting around 150 and still have reserve
I ride hard and get 125 if i baby it i can get 150 160 easy
I've heard other owners getting 150 miles average
Just so ya know...the CBR650F does the quarter in 12s flat. No slouch in the power like you suggest!
I got so stoked when I saw you on Irvine cruising past the back Bay. Great review, I'm trying to decide between this 650f and the 600rr
He is trying so hard not to like it. lol
I'll take this Inline4 over any mid-ranger..
They're extremely comfortable. I'd say more comfy than the 500s and that's saying something, and you get a little bit of oomph in the top end, which the 500 is sadly lacking.
Maybe it's because I'm getting older, but I prefer the low to midrange grunt/torque of the MT-07, versus the high rpm scream of an inline 4.
kings17court for a i4 this is a torquier 4 cylinder, runs a longer stroke vs the short stroke super high revving i4’s in the 600’s. I would spend the extra over a MT or Ninja strictly for the superior fit and finish, and having the plastics really makes it more comfortable on interstate commutes which I do every day...
I appreciate that review. I’ve been trying to find a budget starter bike for a family member.
When I was looking to upgrade to a 600, the 2018 Honda cbr650f was in the running as well as the 2017 Kawasaki ninja 650. I went with the Kawasaki ninja 650 only because I didn't want to wait for the 2018 Honda cbr650f, and after watching this video I think I made the right choice in picking the 2017 Kawasaki ninja 650! Thanks as always for your unbais opinions Zack!!
Which Kawasaki did you get then? I couldn't make it out from your comment.
Gernuts I got the 2017 Kawasaki ninja 650
isnt the ninja 650 like 30hp less ?
Oso 11 the ninja 650 hp is 68 to 70 depending on which Dyno you look at weighing with abs 429lbs. I believe Zack said the HP for the cbr650 I'd 79 so not far off plus the ninja is lighter!
CBR650 is really more like 85 horsepower, upwards of 90 if you are mr moneybags and regularly put race gas in it. At kerb weight, that's around 50hp/ton more than the 650. CBR also has more power up top after the Ninja falls off
This is nice but I would much rather have a CB650R, especially if it looked anything like the CB300R and CB1000R. I hope it's in the pipeline
Unfortunately I don't think so, both bikes were updated only last year and the nekked looks very similar to the faired. Still, if you want an inline 4 standard it's the only up-to-date option under 100hp.
Your dream came true haha.
I love cb650r
You guys should do the naked version of this one, the CB650F. It's lighter and a different kind of fun IMO.
I don't think we get the CB650F here in the United States.
E Brown I got one here in Canada but if I'm not mistaken they launched the naked version this year in north America. It's been available for a couple of years in Europe but it's new to us here in 2018.
Lmao you were totally riding by my work! It’s so funny seeing streets you recognize in random CZcams videos
the dashboard looks really cool
The Yamaha Fz6 is the bike to get. Not to be confused with the fz6r! The fz6 is extremely comfy. Fast and has great 4 cylinder torque at even 4 or 5 thousand rpm. And it screams to 14,000 rpm and makes 100 horsepower at 12,000. Look at the 2007-2009 fz6. Half the price of these bike and 20 more horsepower.
I've been waiting for this video for almost two years now
I put about 30 miles on this bike when my brother owned it. Loved it! Rode it down to the Wedge at Newport Beach for fun. It was so fast. Couldn't disagree more about the torque and speed. Only thing I didn't like about it was the shifting was a little clunky (but maybe I was pressing too hard).
Thumbs up for the s2k!
been waiting for this test ride for years
finally
I might be wrong in saying this, but I think this is the cheapest 4 cyl you can get for 2018
Wrong Fz6r is cheapest at 4999 for a transverse 4 cylinder but this is better IMO.
@@akaHyped FZ6R has been discontinued long ago.
in Europe we had 2011-2013 CBR 600F (PC41), which fell pretty much within the same "budget" I4 segment but with several important differences: 600cc w/ 102hp, around 13k rpm redline, inverted forks and a digital instrument cluster; was around €7-8k new (tax included), produced in Italy (Honda Industriale S.p.A, not the Japanese factory); having experienced both it and its predecessor (PC35) it's a bit neutered in comparison, so this 650F looks a bit too mild and much more expensive than the alternatives
The sound of this inline 4 is a different world than the sound of those middle-weight twins like ninja 650 or mt 07
I liked the F4i better. It's a bummer that they really haven't captured that bike's appeal since. The CBR6xxF series was really down since then. The 600rr splitting off of the F series was good, but the F4i just did everything for me in a way nothing really has since in that class.
I am looking to buy this bike new(leftover 2018) and this video was exactly what I was looking for. Even more I think the bike is exactly what I am looking for. Not your taste I understand, but perfect for my use. Thanks!
First time ive watched you, very comprehensive review bud, superb 👌
Compared to my last bike a Bandit GSF 650 the Honda Cb650F is a lightweight, easier to move around, more nimble, easy to corner, nice n progressive on the throttle none of the twist n shit myself go or no go performance & a fantastic everyday all rounder for a fairly new rider coupled with if I want a full on blast enough to stain my pants it delivers bike.
Had a couple cruiser bikes, rode a Ninja 650 a few times. And rode an old Radian 600 (liked the surprise power at the top end on that bike). Ninja bars were too close and upright for my long arms, and the power seemed way too linear even for a novice like me so there was never any surprise power with it at the top end. Would like something sporty enough to give you more when you want it, and enough of a forward lean that at my typical 65mph commute Im not fighting to stay on or have wrist pain. Although a bit more than the others, it seems like a good "wont kill you quick" sportier bike for a 50 year old that doesn't have 30 years experience. (more like 4). Great reviews you do! From your reviews I know what "you" like, and even if your review wasn't totally positive, it looks like something I would like alot. That shows your talent.... Thanks and keep it up..
How does it compare to the old cbr 600 F? I loved the old sports touring machine. these seem to be down on power & performance,
They should bring back the F4i sort of like the 636 ninja though
that was actually a highly informative advertisement there at the beginning from Amsoil, Thanks
Congrats on the head check; never saw you do one before.
Why can't they put the CBR600RR engine into this bike so that you have the comfortable riding position and the performance?
Love it! It’s exactly what I’m looking for, thanks for all the info Zack!
I have this bike and I am fully satisfied for street use, even the odd sporty but legal ride and a daily commute.
The small inline 4 beats every thumper and twin regarding versatility up to relaxed riding while still retaining some reserves in legal traffic. It is unobtrusive and compliant if driven with some feeling and reminiscent of it's limits. If you buy this for the looks and then complain it is no R or RR - well. No. It is not. And it was never meant to be.
It is unfortunately the only option left for someone looking for an affordable sub-750 inline 4 with fairings and a more relaxed approach to riding than a R(R) while still being a hunch sportier than a pure naked.
I also bet against 95% of all the ppl who complain about this bike's power, weight ratio, torque, non-adjustable fork etc. that they believe themeselves to be street Rossi while unable to ride even this bike close to it's limit.
It's not a bad looking bike, I would compare it more to a ninja 650r, and between the two I would probably go for ths bulletproof nature of the honda.
aluisious you're probably right. Forget that consumer reports ranked Ducati 8th place in its 2007-2014 reliability comparison and Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, and Suzuki in the top 4 positions. Thay are probably biased against European vehicles in general. Obviously they never talked to you with your 100% accurate and not biased in the least opionion on the matter.
Loving the Q&A format.
Suggestions for upcoming MC Commutes:
the more commutable single R BMW, S1000R
Ducati Monster 821 (A big seller, but larely ignored by the magazines - dare to be different Zack)
Yamaha MT-07, yes, yes, we know you like it, but has it ever done an MC Commute?
Suzuki SV650 becasue there so many used ones around, this time change it up and test an older model, let us know if it makes a good used bike for communiting.
A couple of smaller crusiers: Star Bolt R-Spec and an M50
and my #1 request, as SOON as you can get your hands on one - the KTM 790 Duke!!!!! (Have you done the 690 already?)
It is so nice to get an honest opinion. Great work. Nice bike!! Wish they had a (more) sport(ier) version.
Agreed. An honest and thorough objective review is hard to come by.
Dragos Constantin sportier version? 600rr
Dragos Constantin it seems the phrase "honest opinion" is so chick these days. An opinion is supposed to be honest!!, otherwise whats the point?
The TROLL they discontinued the rr version.
Great review many thanks. I’ve just got one and I love it. I’m a conservative rider though. I got a gear indicator added. I just find the engine so smooth.
Fun and informative video! Currently trying to decide between CBR650F and ninja 650, where the Honda is actually sightly cheaper.
Hello! do you think a complete beginner can handle the cbf 650f and would you recommend it as an entry bike? I would rather start slow on a 300cc and 500cc but since I am 6'3 they are all too small for me
As an owner I...
Like:
usability
ease of use
ABS (saved me a couple of times)
sound
wind protection (more than naked)
mileage ( I get about 50)
Don't like:
weight (needs to be low 400's)
no gear indicator
transmission
mirrors
headlight
power-to-weight
Overall I bought mine new in 2018 and almost a year later I'm bored with it. This is my second bike that I have EVER owned. The one before this was a Suzuki 80 DS about 30 years ago.
The naked version is the best value for money IMO. I hope I can import mine to the US when I move there.
this bike should be compared against the fz6r. both are inline 4, half naked, similar front end, mpg, and heavy weight. but the fz is $1k cheaper. imo, inline 4 sport tourings are made for commuters that want that high reving noise from their engine. As a fz6, fz1, iron 1200 owner, engines that make better torque in the lower revs and are more fuel efficient (parallel/v twins/triple/boxer) are better for commuters and it is more fun bc the power comes on early which is where we spend most of our time riding at.
I had this bike in matte black 2015 model year with ABS. Its was a nice bike, very reliable and easy to ride. However, the seat was uncomfortable, the bars felt awkward and it was also a somewhat boring bike and lacked the special feeling my other bikes have given me. Something about this bike just felt "dorky" to me. I sold it and got a 2018 Ducati Supersport S, which in no way suffers from being boring. Bottom line: the Honda is a great beginner bike but if you're looking for more fun, power, electronics and style, and willing to spend the extra money and accept the higher overall total cost of ownership, get the Ducati Supersport.
For future episodes, would love to see a Tracer 900GT, if Yamaha will let you have one.
It's so obvious when Zac doesn't like a motorcycle. You can tell even before he hops on the bike. This bike is a typical Honda. Linear power, forgiving and enough torque to manage traffic. Boring but reliable bike.
Hello! since you mentioned it has linear power and is forgiving, do you think a complete beginner can handle this bike and use it as his first one to start riding?
hey, thanks a lot for your assessment! I recently test rode a ninja 650. beautiful bike but it is just too small for me. it has 68 hp, yet the torque is the same as for the the honda cbr 650f (both around 65Nm) which means that the power of the cbr lies in the higher revs. now the ninja is regarded to be the better entry bike because of its less power. but what I conclude from this is, that if you dont pull the throttle like a maniac on the cbr and stay in low-mid range revs, it should be pretty much the same as the ninja, probably even a bit slower in the low revs since in aint that torquey and has much more weight than the light ninja
Not really, unless you're matching rev-for-rev the CBR has about 50hp/ton more than the ninja 650 due to having 25% more power, hovering around 82hp up to 90 on a good day. Not a big difference, but the CBR will be a little faster in ideal conditions. The thing witht he CBR is it will have more power up top after the Ninja levels off. The Ninja is probably the better first bike and the CBR is probably the better second bike
Yeah this bike was never meant for the US market. Americans want bikes to have "personality" all the time, that's why the FZ09 sells well there but nowhere else. the CBR650 sells like hotcakes in Asia because it's an inline 4 and reliable. Americans are just done with inline 4's.
Hey Matte can you explain what 'personality' means in this bike? Genuinely curious. Reviewer says MT-07 is 'spunkier' and 'more fun'. What are the characteristics you guys are referring too?
I just picked up this exact bike in the same color. I mostly love it. There's a FEW things I'm not a fan of.
When you get out on the freeway with 75mph limit, to ME it feels really buzzy above 6k RPM, nearly as buzzy as my former Ninja 650 parallel twin. I find it significantly more comfortable at 5500 or below. Not a fan of the sound of a blender full of bbs. That being said, it does sound much better when it's under load than just cruising. Maybe it's the chain lash or something that makes it seem so buzzy.
Another thing that I found odd, when first starting it in the mornings to ride to work, I noticed that if you give it any more than ~70% throttle suddenly before it's warmed up good, it kinda chokes and sputters a bit. Not very confidence inspiring, but fortunately it goes away once warmed up.
Lastly, the shit halogen headlight. The FIRST upgrade I made was an LED unit, because the yellow halogen single bulb is dogshit.
And I almost forgot, I definitely wish the 6 gears were spaced out a little more. I really appreciate that it has 6 (some motorcycles only have 5), but honestly they really could've spaced them out further and it would be a more comfortable ride. To be able to cruise around at 35mph in 6th seems a bit short geared. If they were to spread them out more and maybe make that 6th gear about 15% taller, that would also help with the buziness at 80mph cruising.
Those things aside, this really is a great bike, and I really do like it despite those issues.
It'd be great to see a commute on the new Cb1000r!
Thanks for the review, looks like I live very close to that area you were riding in. Good stuff!
MV agusta F4 RC for mc commute, u gotta do it pleases!
That‘s like the worst bike at all for commuting.
Definitley not available for a random MC commute.
They could try the F3 675 or 800, or regular f4 for a commute. (or long term)
They did the brutale 800 though :)
Great motorcycle, but video's comment section ruined it by 1 single lose bolt which droppped the gear lever -_-
totally overshadows the actual amazing bike.
Honda > than any American manufacturer. Check the list of race wins Honda have across such a diverse range of racing from road racing to track, world super bikes, Moto GP, Isel of Man TT, enduro, MotoX, Paris Dakar, trials bikes, F1, that American racing whatever it's called, touring cars, boat racing. It's incredible when you look at it.
I think they've won more bikes races or titles than all other manufacturers added together.
How does it compare to the Suzuki GSX 650 F?
I got the 2016 version of this and it was the perfect bike for me. I'm coming up from a 125 with nothing in-between I wanted something with enough capacity I could take on the motorway but not be a huge jump from the 125, I don't own a car so this is going to be a daily driver commutercycle and to top it off I got a ridiculous price (just over half the RRP) with 0 miles on the clock. My other options were a new smaller bike or a sportier second hand. having said all that there is nothing in this review I disagree with.
Nice review I was curious about this bike. Can’t wait until KTM 790 Duke comes to North America, I am very interested in hearing the reviews on that.
I had a 2016. I found the engine dead under 4000 revs as liked keeping the revs above 7000. I still got 55mpg imperial. I found the mirrors vibey but it's a good bike. For me I sold it as I just always chased the power up top, something I haven't done in 10 years of riding. Very responsible above 7000 rpm and even good from 5500
My next bike this will be. God i love it so much
So we've got a new, baby VFR 800?
Nice!
Still keeping my 5th gen. VFR 800 :)