Fall and Winter Rose Pruning
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- čas přidán 24. 07. 2024
- If you're in a cold-winter climate, should you prune your rose in the fall? Usually my answer is to wait. The early spring (or after first bloom for once-bloomers) is usually a better time to address the size, shape and health of your rose with structural pruning. By then, you'll be able to see what damage has been done by winter cold. However, if your roses have an unruly streak, they may have sent up some stems that are vulnerable to damage from winter wind or snow. In this video, I'll show you some examples of preventive pruning to protect roses from winter damage.
I should say a couple more things I didn't have time to address in the video. 1) of course if you're in a climate with no serious cold, it makes no sense to wait until spring, and you're more likely to tackle your structural pruning in the coolest part of the year. 2) if you're in a climate much colder than mine, you may also be offering some winter protection to your roses in the form of wrapping/covering/mounding with soil. It's still a good idea to time this protection carefully and let your roses see some cold beforehand. A touch of cold can help settle them into dormancy, which makes them more likely to survive the conditions inside the protective layer.
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So very grateful to you for this! When I walk by my roses I tell them “Jason said to quit deadheading”😢 Now I know exactly what I can do. Thank you Jason, you’re just wonderful!❤
You're going to make me blush Cindy!
He doesn’t s deadheading.Blessings
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He said it in a recent video, not this one. Jason knew that’s what I was referring to. Cheers!
Game of chicken 😊 Thank you for confirming that we can start winter prune now in Vancouver
You got it!
Greetings from Ontario! Your knowledge and ability to deliver information clearly and succinctly is astounding! You are hands down my “go to” gardening resource.
Thanks. I really appreciate the feedback.
It is amazing what you know about roses! Love how your nursery is coming along, more and more each year 👍👍👍
Thanks so much Larry & Martha
Thank you so much for this reassuring post, Jason! I'm feeling much better about my pre-windstorm pruning. 😊
This was a terrible year for my roses, now it’s middle of October and they’re blooming like crazy!
I’m leaving alone and hopefully they will realize winters coming.
I’m in Northern Alberta, it’s been a beautiful fall but everything is acting like it’s spring. My lilacs are budding out spruce just finished another round of buds.
Good plant. Hopefully they get the hint sooner than later.
Another important reason for not pruning in the late fall is that once the roses enter dormancy, the energy stored in the canes will flow back into the roots to be ready for the long winter. If you prune the canes too early, the energy stored in the canes won't have a chance to go back to the roots, especially those long canes grow after the summer. So you actually waste all the energy if you prune the canes too early.
Thanks - that's a really good point!
Good explanation and examples of why fall pruning may be required. Thanks!!!
Glad you did this video. I’ve been wondering what to do with my new climbers. Thanks.
Most welcome.
Thank you….really well explained….no faffing or farting about. I am a retired nurseryman but roses were never my strong point. Pruning of climbers in particular has always been a confusion to me, it’s the weak spindly growth on varieties like Warm Welcome I never know what to do with….which is why I’ve never dealt with them on my own CZcams channel……it’s a love hate relationship…..I love the flower but hate the plant…..so on my nurseries I always just bought them in from David Austin. Your style is great and I hope you do really well both on this media and in your physical business. I particularly liked your take down all the fake propagation videos…I had wanted to do something similar but I’m enjoying retirement too much, and the freedom from staff and customer problems. Good luck for the future.
Malcolm Hockham
Thanks so much Malcolm. I've watched and appreciated your channel, and I'm happy to hear you're enjoying retirement!
Good grief. You don’t wear gloves? My rose bushes bite…😂. Very timely video for us in Denver. Thank you…
Lol. I'll wear gloves pickup up the canes, but I'm pretty good at cutting now without having to hold the stems.
Soooo helpful! Your videos are great, full of practical information.
Thanks Melissa!
Good to know. The two roaes I bought from you this spring are doing very well, and aren't in need of a prune just yet.
So nice to hear it Candace!
I have stop pruning because i'm getting ready to do air layering on all my roses. I keep losing cuttings to fungi infestation so i wanted to try this method
I can't tell you how many of your videos I've watched in the last month. Thank you so much for all of the wonderful information!
Jason, no gloves to prune! 🙀🥀🥀🥀Thank you for the update on pruning, I guess I need to rethink "winter" pruning of my own roses.🌹 Love your Channel 👍🌹
Good reminder, thanks
My pleasure!
Thanks so much for this video. It has really helped me winterize my roses.😊
Excellent information. Im heading out right now to do this rough prunning. Thanks
Jim M
Very timely advice. I've been wondering how severely to prune my roses this time of year.
Outstanding rose video.
Perfect timing, Jason. I just removed two long stems on mine yesterday.
Thank you Jason for your great information. I have 7 "knock out" roses which I just love. They produce flowers all spring and here it is October 18 and they are still producing beautiful roses. I will take your advice and prune them in the spring. Thanks again. I really enjoy your videos.
I am just learning about roses (and other flowers). It has been really enjoyable for me and I have learned a lot from you.
So happy to hear it Cheryl!
Thanks!!!! Just the video I needed to see. Appreciate the time taken to make explain.
My pleasure!
Jason, thanks for this video. Very informative.
I'm so glad you found it useful Carolyn
Thank you very much! I am in a new house and region with a ton of beautiful rose bushes and I was so scared about pruning.
Totally didn't hear what you said at 1:25 because the view was so beautiful!! What great fall colors!❤️
Lol. Thanks!
So pretty with yr neighbours blueberry orchards! Yr place is sure looking great. Hope 2 visit it one day in the near future!
Thanks. I look forward to it.
Very complex weather here, temperature swings from 10-14C early morning to 22-27, sometimes 30C mid-day, no rain, but afternoon misty fog that disappears after sundown. No frost or freeze will come, but the high winds and heavy winter passing storms will be here in a few weeks.
All of my plants, except the roses are quite happy right now.
The roses just don't know what to do with the constantly changing weather signals. Because of the misty late evenings, mildews are returning (which isn't a surprise) and the warm temperatures are keeping the aphids and a small amount of thrips around.
I will be spraying sulfer and copper soap for mildew control and expect a bit of carryover with pest control as well.
An interesting learning curve for sure.
I will be pruning the roses down to about 3 feet or perhaps 30 inches for high wind protection and a fairly tight prune in spring when the temperatures come back up to above 10C in the early mornings because that seems to be when they started to wake up this past spring.
I'm guessing that a deep prune each spring will probably be necessary due to the misty days in between sunny and rainy days.
Of course as many of the other flowering plants get multiplied and divided the whole ecosystem will certainly increase the beneficials and reduce stress on the plants allowing them grow more robustly.
Knowing your specific climate is so important.🤙
Thanks for this - it really does make sense to observe how your plants are reacting to your own climate. Based on what I know I'd agree that a relatively low prune in spring when the temperature bounce back (and the evening humidity subsides) would benefit them.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm
Unfortunately I will not be able to avoid the misty afternoon/evenings because I live in the clouds.😂
At least the roses are in the ground and I can add more soil and other ammendments to give them every advantage they can have. I've added multipurpose sand to hold more moisture and still get good drainage which is very important in this crazy radical weather up here.
For now observation and addressing issues as they arise is really all that can be done. Over time I will research types of roses with different attributes and perhaps do a bit of hybridizing for this type of climate.😉
Such good explanations! So glad I found your channel! Should I prune now if I am planning to transplant my rose bush in February? I am in Zone 6b. Thanks!
Thanks. I wouldn't do any additional pruning in anticipation of moving unless the plant is just too large and awkward to handle.
Thanks Jason, Perfect timing. Are you using this material for propagation?
Most welcome. No, I do most of my prop earlier in the season as semi-hardwood because the results are much quicker. I may revisit the mother plants a little further into winter if there's something I want to attempt, but for this pruning I'm going for speed.
Thanks a lot!!!
I'm a newish gardener. We moved a couple of years ago and have a rose that was here, so no idea what kind it is. I saw one of your video's where you said to tie the cane down so it would be lateral, to grow more canes upward. Well that worked but this year I didn't see many blooms at all. It did put on the growth that you said it would!! The only thing is I don't know what I'm doing when it comes to pruning the plant at all. I don't want to kill it cause it is pretty when it does bloom. Thank you for ANY help.
Thanks Phyllis. At this point there's a little "wait and see" because you don't know the variety of rose. It could be a once-bloomer that will send flowers on those newly developed shoots in the 2nd year. In general roses are pretty tough an hardy, and since it was existing in your landscape I'm going to assume it's a survivor in your area. So other than securing or trimming any parts that you're sure would be damaged by winter wind or snow load, I'd just hold on and see what you get from it in the coming season.
Thanks!
Thanks so much for your support!
Thank you for all your wonderful videos. Would it be wise to use the pruned stems for propagation? 😃
No harm in experimenting, but I usually wait and take any hardwood cuttings when the canes are truly dormant.
Thank you for this video! Would you do something similar for climbing roses? There are a couple of main canes that I cannot tie down to the arbor.
Yes, if they can't be supported then cutting them down is fine.
Hi Jason, I've been keeping up on your videos and learning a lot. Thank you. I have a question, and it is. Can you use the cuttings you just cut for hard wood cuttings for the winter? Steve
Thanks Steve. No harm in experimenting, but I usually wait a little later and take wood for hardwood cuttings once the stems are truly dormant.
Thank you very much for the advice. Is it OK to try and grow the cuttings in autumn pruning or wait for spring pruning cutting?
Over winter I sometimes will do hardwood cuttings. For my preferred semi-ripened cuttings, I wait until the flowering season.
Thank you for sharing your insights. Can these elongated stems be used for air layering in the winter? Would that be effective?
I think air layering is more effective when the plants are in active growth.
Thank you. Pruning off spent blooms is something I’ll start doing. Never thought of it. On a different note, I have an Apple Jack small climber. I’ve kept it as a shrub, but recently noticed a very tall shoot, nearly vertical. I wonder if I can stake that tall stem, and in the spring cut away the rest of the canes, and grow it on as a standard form. Yes? No?
It's really quite challenging to achieve the shape of a standard rose on an existing non-grafted rose. I've seen gardeners try it a few times, but TBH I've never seen them satisfied with the results.
Okay. Good to know.
Great video Jason. 😊 I was looking at my roses the other day and wondering what to do with them. I try to keep black spot under control, you mentioned taking the leaves of, should I do this with all my roses?
Hi Pauline. Yes, if you can manage the time for it, removal of spent foliage, replacement of the underlying layer of mulch, and a dormant spray of something like lime-sulfur can be really helpful in knocking down overwintering spores of BS & other foliar disease. You can do this at any point in the dormant season, and I like to take it on after some cold weather, so that any natural leaf drop makes my job easier.
Many thanks 😊
Greetings from Denmark. I always enjoy your videos and learn so much every time. Obviously your expertise and ability to convey it to an amateur like me is astounding and greatly appreciated.
I have several roses - about 100 in my garden and have been wondering - when to move a rose in the season? I think it would be best in the autumn, say late august through late October here in Denmark. Rel your theme in this video - would you prune it before moving eventhough late autumn. Some of my roses are pretty big, and pruning them would make the move so much easier. Thank you much for any ideas or suggestions you may share here. 😉
Thanks Carsten. If you could go back by about a month, I'd say it's an easy decision to move them this fall. It'd be nice to have a little bit of rooting time with decent temperatures after the move, and you might be approaching your first frost date quickly now. Your feel for the local climate could give you reassurance about whether to go ahead or not. Early spring is pretty good timing as well. Pruning for a move: the plant will usually recover best with minimal pruning (dead, diseased, damaged, crossing, thin growth is fine), but you also have to work with what's practical.
@FraserValleyRoseFarm Thank you very much - makes sense 🙂I'll wait for early spring to be sure...
Hi Jason! I have two very vigorous Austrian Copper roses that I really meant to prune after they blossomed, but, sigh, pruning didn’t happen. Should I just leave them, or can I still give them a prune? (We are at 8600’, in the Rocky Mountains and had our first frost). Thank you so much for all the information you so generously provide!
Unless you're seeing stems that are definitely going to be damaged by winter conditions, I'd leave most pruning until next spring *after* the bloom period.
@@FraserValleyRoseFarmThank you, Jason! The Austrian Coppers do put on quite a show. I have taken your advice and have “ gone heirloom” with the majority of my roses. With high elevation, tough zone 4 issues, wind and hail, (and of course your informative advice), the old roses seem to have the wisdom to withstand such challenges. Thank you for all you do, and wishing you great prosperity with your nursery.
Thanks for this video, it answered a lot of my questions even though I’m in zone 7a in TN. Did you take any of those long canes and try and root them or did you just trash them?
For the timing of this pruning, I mulched them. A little later on in winter now I've stuck some hardwood rose cuttings. It would have been fine to try those ones, but it would have slowed down my work.
Really informative tutorial... One question: do you bother cutting to an outward facing bud or do you find this unnecessary? Thank you!
Thanks. I don't bother with it, and neither will your plants abide to it. I often see roses cut carefully to outward facing buds, but then expressing multiple shoots down the stem and growing to fill in gaps. My focus is to prune for size, shape and health, and all the little finicky rules are just a distraction from that.
In the South Okanagan valley and we’ve had a fairly humid fall. As such I’m starting to see a bit of mildew on some stems of cuttings, should I treat them or remove them as I plan to keep them in a cool but non-freezing space over the winter?
At this point you may be close to dormancy anyway, so may as well wait an strip them after a little more cold.
Hello and thank you for this video. I noticed when you were pruning that you weren’t worried about nodes etc. Does it not matter where on the stem you cut? Thank you!
Thanks - no, not really. I've discussed it a bit in past videos, but my feeling is that fussing over the position & angle of cuts, and whether it's located at an outward-facing node is a magnificent waste of time and is intimidating to new gardeners. I can say that my roses have never suffered in any obvious way from my lack of care about the nodes - and in facts I've seen some gardeners get quite good results using a hedge trimmer!
Have a question I’m in zone 5 upstate ny I haven’t pruned or fertilized my roses since early august I still have blooms and new growth coming in and next week we have a couple days where it will be below freezing in the morning I wonterize them by putting chicken wire around with burlap and fill with leaves and pine needles but I haven’t filled them I. Yet only habe done chicken wire and burlap I usually wait til November to put the leaves in. Is there anything I can do to help the new growth and buds coming in Siri g the first hard freeze of the season
No, I wouldn't do much, and I'd probably wait a while yet to insulate with leaves, etc. Most roses can handle quick stretches of below-freezing temperatures with no damage at all, and those early freezes help to harden them off. If it zaps a couple of the tenderest shoots, that's just accepting the inevitable.
Hi jason i have asmall roses in a pot but after summer the stems are black like dying can i do something on it pls
That's a tough one because we don't know the cause of the dead tissue. If the crown is still okay, you can trim off the black stems to help with recovery. If it were me, I'd want to get a look at the roots and see if they're still healthy.
Your pruning videos are so useful! Could you at some point weigh in on managing (pruning?) big, hyper vigorous shrub roses? I have a Lillian Gibson that is a bit of a monster. Well, more than a bit actually.
I haven't grown Lillian Gibson, but I've grown some r. blanda hybrids before. Large, yes, and suckery too! It's not a sure thing that you can control to a reasonable size, but your bestshot would be a fairly low and thinning prune directly after flowering each year.
I planted it where it has a lot of room but it has very long arching canes that tend to get weighted down and heavy with lateral growth. Wonderful spring bloom and absolutely rock solid zone 4 hardiness with zero protection. Thanks for the suggestion
Warmer fall and mild winter. I see more and more growth happening on my roses. So I don't really see much frost damage on my roses. Actually all I see is some super late frost damage in April. My conclusion is I can basically cut when ever I feel like it almost better to do it now so I don't cut off a lot of new growth. Like there are a lot of new growth happening now. I might be wrong?
Sounds right to me - if you rarely see threatening temperatures (and most roses will take a touch of freezing temperature with no problem) then keeping up on managing size and shape right now seems like the right thing
Do roses need cold for blooming? What if I bring them all indoors during the coldest days? I live in Houston and we only have about a month of actual cold, and only about a week of freezing typically
Most roses don't require any cold period, and if it's practical for you to move roses in for the worst of the freezing weather that would work.
Thank u so much.. different ? What are the red/ orange flower in rows behind u?
My pleasure Juli. That's the fall color on the neighbor's blueberry crop
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm wow. Beautiful
Hi there. I brought a rose inside the garage for the winter, however it has just boomed??? Also some rose hips formed. I did take the rose hips off to try to grow from seed. Should I keep the plant in the garage? I am in Kenora Ontario
Something that has just bloomed now will not have enough time or energy to ripen seeds - it takes 2-3 months. I don't actually know enough about the situation to offer an opinion about whether you should keep your rose in the garage. I assume you moved it in because your weather is already cold outside and you're concerned about the hardiness of the variety in a pot? If it's continuing to grow and flower, I'd be concerned that it didn't get enough cold (outside prior to moving in or now inside) to encourage dormancy.
Hi, when is a good time to dig up and move roses, the same time as a late winter/spring prune? Or can I do it now?
I'd generally prefer early spring, but it depends a bit on your climate. If there's still something like 6 weeks before first frost or you're in a somewhat milder climate your chances are better.
I thought that I was supposed to prune my roses right back and then cover them with mulch and I then protected with buckets. So if I leave my roses quite large and still take off the stems that need to be removed for protection how do I then cover them to protect them from the elements.
Thanks Michelle. This video is really targeted for roses that are planted in their appropriate climate zones (winter hardy). For those gardeners who are protecting less hardy roses in a colder climate, those measures of mounding the bases, caging, covering with buckets or fabric etc. are something you'll have to account for based on your growing experience, and you may have to adjust your pruning to fit those extraordinary measures. However, I think the timing considerations still hold valid: wait as late as you can practically manage so that the shrub has enough time to harden off to colder temperatures before that final pruning and any winter cover methods.
I bought my climbing roses as bare roots with a few trunks of pretty hard wood a few years ago now. They seem to bloom pretty much all the time in our climate, but lately they have become sparse and spindly with the foliage and they just look like a shitty long stem with a pretty rose or roses on the end. Can I just hack them down to nothing again, or will I kill them?
Hi Brad. I think it's worth a try. Even old woody stems have dormant buds that can wake up after a hard prune. The results do depend on their overall health, but since they're quite mature already and you've seen decent flowering in recent years my hope is that they'll recover fine.
Have a vine in my bush and dead branches, what can I do? I live in West Virginia.
I'd probably prune out a vine if it doesn't belong there and also prune out dead branches.
Oops. Saw your video to late. Mild winter. Alabama
I have a rose plant in a pot. Will it overwinter in southern Alberta, in this pot?
Alberta can be a tough climate for potted roses. Anything but the super cold hardy roses (zone 2 rated) in larger pots should probably be given protection. Here's a video I made recently on protecting plants in pots: czcams.com/video/0nsY9MUmVIo/video.htmlsi=80HJ2-FxZk0W2GDi
Where are you located? I’m new to this channel. I’m in southern Ontario.
Welcome Cheryl. We're about an hour east of Vancouver
My Grandmother taught me to trim roses down to about thigh high after the first frost. Then around Presidents day (in the US, mid February) do your real trimming. This was for reasons you mentioned in your video, wind damage, etc. It sounds like you would not recommend doing that. Is that correct? Thanks as always for your help.
Thanks Lance. I'd never argue with grandmotherly rose advice, and it sounds like we're mostly on the same page - except I'm more or less going for chest high on the first cut rather than thigh high. Experience within your own climate can factor into it too
:-) Thank you sir.@@FraserValleyRoseFarm
Can you use the pruning s for cuttings?
It's worth a try, but I usually take my hardwood cuttings a bit later into the cold season.
Blessings.Would be nice if you give recommendations ,about roses in the tropics.I bought from a seller in the states,and I received very por quality roses.There is even one that has never produce flowers and they came with black spot,which I never had problems before with other roses bought in a local store.Canes were so thin and still don’t have strong canes.I followed all directions.Very sad because it was 350 for nine roses and they just don’t look like other cheap roses,I have😂
Sorry to hear your roses were in such poor condition - it's difficult to get good result when they start out in trouble!
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Hope you give tips for us that live in the tropics.I don’t know when to prune or if I should keep on fertizing or let them rest.Blessings and thanks for answering so fast.
Fertilizing
Hello, I live in Louisiana and my zone is 9. I have a climbing rose that is leaning over and the branches are just taking over, it,s huge. I did a light pruning, but I do need to do some more, will it hurt it if I cut some more right now?
In such a mild winter climate, the odds are on your side.
Good , I was worried. I do have another question. I have 3 knockout roses that are in big containers i,ve had them for a while. This summer was a scorcher so I saw where they were struggling and I cut them back really low, I have 2 of them that are slowly coming back , but I have one that's not doing anything, i,m worried that I have harmed it. Do you think it will recover?
Lol, Kenneth. Let me consult my magic 8-ball. It said "Reply hazy, ask again" and on the second shake it said "Outlook good". But take it with a grain of salt - it's just a fortune telling toy. My own guess is similar: Knock Out roses are pretty tough, and if it was otherwise healthy and vigorous before the cut, it may just be taking its time activating some lower dormant buds before coming back.
😅 Thank you
Monty Don said that large climbers could be severely pruned back now - what do you think of this?
There are some judgement calls that come along with your climate. With mild English winters, it's very possible you could do your major structural pruning now and expect the canes to come through winter without much additional cold-related injury. Here I'd just take down what I can't secure and do the main pruning at the end of winter when I can inspect for winter damage.
Ok thanks, I am in Pacific Northwest (near Portland) and our winters are fairly mild. I have a huge Climbing Pinkie on a pergola type structure that needs attention. I normally do that type of thing in late winter though.
Late winter seems like a good call. We're in your same climate and unless I think the canes are vulnerable to physical damage from winter storms, I take care of it in late winter.
why you have car wheel around rose?is that car wheel?3:39
Here's my video response: czcams.com/video/u0-cnrOZvRo/video.htmlsi=dLzHQbrJrbE6u8fV I'm experimenting with another option this winter and I'm excited to let people see it.
? Wood glue when pruning cranes?
No, not something I see as useful. Some people do seal cane ends to try and keep opportunistic can boring insects from overwintering there, but the truly damaging cane borers don't enter through the cut ends anyway, and the kind of damage I see from the less-serious (opportunist) insects isn't so severe.
Do you ever propagate from the branches you've pruned?
Yes. In fact I just posted a results video from hardwood cuttings: czcams.com/video/FZ7x6io6qag/video.html
@@FraserValleyRoseFarm Ah, yes. I've just watched this one. I was asking specifically about propagating cuttings from rose prunings. I've been binge-watching your videos! Thanks.