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I am very Worried About Warzone 2.0 and the Future of Call of Duty
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If any dev is reading this - "If it's not broken, don't fix it!"
Your looting system in WZ is what made so many casual people fall in love with the game and play it over the pandemic, because it was easy to pick up and intuitive. You saw *everything* you carried on your HUD and had max ammo in the background, without having to play tetris in cubes to fit stuff in or out. Standing in front of boxes for seconds on end makes zero sense in a COD style battle royale.
If you're looking to win over the Tarkov/Apex/PUBG crowd you may well have something going, but you're going to be losing your base demographic in droves.
Simplify.
There's a reason they did it, less sprites all over the place
For real. It actually BLOWS my mind that they would introduce anything that is going to slow down the game play. The nature of this game requires everything outside of combat to be quick and efficient.
100% agree
What he said
What he said
I think there will be problems with the new loadout system, buying your own gun from a buy station gives no incentive for a team to share the cash an work as a team.
Purchase economy isn't the core of teamwork in my opinion. I personally dislike counting cash and hassling around the shops as a team.
@@jcp1984again kk. So you the guy always letting the team mates buy their weapons instead of you?
@@sethjackson2266 “I’m short $500” is all it takes to receive 500$ from a teammate lol
Heaven forbid your team pools money so each teammate can get their guns....
If ppl dont share its because of the player they are.
That would most likely happen from point and shoot players who don't understand the game mechanic in general. Players who understand the game better would most likely share their cash to get your loadout. But then again, we have yet to see this trend when the game comes out.
I think warzone 1 really had something good going but they tried to reinvent the wheel with warzone 2. Hopefully the feedback they’ve been getting is really taken into perspective.
They need to change the movement to how it was in warzone 1 because its perfect mw2 movement is cheeks
we spent 2 plus years learing a game and they completely change it. we didnt even need "warzone 2" we just needed warzone 1 on a better engine so consoles could be competitive. look at fortnite. same game it was back then just made improvements season by season and you get to keep all your skins and guns. rather than it all be flushed down the drain... for what, huge L
@@Amzyy poor baby grew up on slide canceling 😂. They made the movement for this game perfect
@@Foggycallabasashillshelicopter ive been playing since 2009 but okay im just being real most of the community prefer slide cancelling anyways
Just bring warzone back to exactly how it was in 2020, same guns, same everything. Imo. At least with verdansk.
I hated having different different health than my enemies on Blackout, and Warzone removing that was what made me like it. It feels like they’re taking a gigantic step back from Warzone 1.
- The AI really needs to get out immediately. This affects gameplay so much. You betray your position like this because you are forced to fight with AI. If I want to fight AI, I will play the campaign.
- The gameplay is slowed down too much in my opinion. No slide cancel is fine, but they have also slowed down the sprinting when adding plates. In addition, looting has been slowed down tremendously. Looting has also become a lot more confusing. Especially if you want to loot a body. Everything is mixed up on the ground.
- They did not implement the last additions of wz1 in WZ2. Like with every player behind the name The streak the person has, how many plates in possession and if the person has a gas mask etc.
- No loadouts (but weapon for a lot of money at buystations), I think is a bad change. This just made WZ unique as a BR game.
- Too much advantage 2 plates vs 3 plates. If you can't find a satchel and thus put on 3 plates, you have max 2. This gives too much advantage to the one with satchel.
- I saw almost only groundloot with iron sights and hefty recoil. But this will be different in the full game I think.
- All the quality of life things from WZ 1, are not in WZ2. Deployable balloons, gas mask animation, deployable buystation etc.
- The map is a lot better than Caldera, it seems.
See this it right here this is exactly what we need (also with a tweak to the movement to make it faster not as clunky)
Agree on all counts except some of the QoL things. Deployable features and even balloons in general can trivialize the map and positioning, which should definitely matter in a BR.
@@nicholas.e5158 It's supposed to be WZ first and foremost. There are many hardcore slow BR titles in the style of PUBG. You can go play those if that's your style. You can remain within CoD as well and go play some Blackout.
The problem is that there's no other BR which does what WZ1 did. Ultra fast paced no backpack BR with loadouts. At the same time WZ1 is suffering terribly because of the integrations so returning there sucks.
We hoped to see a fresh start within the formula of WZ, not a complete redesign to a different (less original) game.
Deployable balloons only made sense for the awfull map Caldera though.
@@honzabalak3462 Exactly that! Warzone actually stands out and is unique in that regard. The adaptations of WZ2 make it 1 of many BR games.
Bottom line for me is there’s too many in game menus, especially involving looting. When you’re in a menu is when you’re going to get shot. What was wrong with opening a box and letting the content spill onto the floor, so that I could then just pick up what I wanted, while still being able to see around me and react if needed
10:38 like this...now you can even be shot by a bot. Botzone ladies and gentlemen
@@ShakTMT it’s gonna be WAY faster to loot and get the stuff you want. Once you get used to using it
@@eric8146 anything that involves a menu cant be quicker compared to picking what you see/recognise up off the ground
@@ShakTMT yeah it can, if optimized, like apex, it’s all organized and you can grab what you want quick. When it all drops on the floor it’s harder to see what you need on the fly. Only COD and Battlefield did a BR where everything drops on the floor and I’ve always disliked it
@@eric8146 you’ve said that on multiple comments. Now we know who is the intern reading comments.
I think you're absolutely on point with this. The only logical explanation is a development team that either internally or from the outside felt the pressure to forcefully innovate the core gameplay/mechanics. It makes absolutely no sense to basically go backwards into a traditional BR if WZ proved how you can combine BR with the classic CoD gameplay. Everyone was happy. BR fans, casuals and even (most) hardcode CoD MP fans had at least a year of fun.
I'm honestly trying to wrap my head around the thought process here. Maybe they wanted to keep the UI/UX the same between DMZ and Warzone 2.0, and that is why we now have this absolutely horrendous looting system. Maybe the movement mechanics how slowed down to a crawl so fit DMZ. Maybe the AI is added to fit DMZ. But it completely deflates the entire experience. Can you imagine just constantly running into AI opponents taking away all the tension constantly? Shoot bot. Shoot bot. Shoot bot.. oh wait is that a person? Whatever.
The graphics look great. The map looks amazing. The gunplay.. the sound... the potential.. it's all there. But every single gameplay loop/mechanic is just bizarre. They better wake up quickly and make some drastic changes.
I think these issues arises because they are either trying to “innovate” on what warzone already had going when it was good, or they are trying to build a new warzone from the ground up. Either way they seem to be ignoring a lot of the lessons they should’ve learned from the first game, both from its successes, and it’s shortcomings.
I hated load outs and most people I have spoke to agree. That’s is a great change. Means casual gamers can actually enjoy now
I fall into the casual player category and have been playing COD for the most part since MW1. (Skipped the previous WW2 versions) and missed Blackout release time period. I prefer Resurgence version , and The Champion Last Stand mode where you start with your own loadout. Obviously I like Plunder cuz I start with my own loadout. I have never understood the fascination of liking the idea of starting from scratch per say even tho that is incorrect because depending when you land you can have inferior gun w/ no additional plates. I agree with James to push back WZ2 if need be. Also agree with comments about Audio from footsteps on multiplayer beta doesn’t seem to work half the time .
I agree the graphics look great. IMO much better. Graphic and movement experience right now compared Cold War at launch
@@MrWillAdams You don't have to lie about most people hating loadouts. WZ without loadouts is wack it's basically pub g if it were more polished at that point.
@@JamaicanBoy41 why would I lie lol. Literally makes no difference to my life what they do, I’m just saying. A lot of people like the more traditional BR
I'm a huge fan of the helmet cam. It's like a live-feed to the pentagon and I love it. But I agree, I hope they add the ability to switch cam perspectives while spectating.
Whats that
Not a fan
Exactly, don't get rid, just have the ability to choose which default you like. Personally, I love the helmet cam
Yeah i like it too for spectating
It's nausea inducing. I can't tell wtf is going on. It sucks.
Really glad you made this video: captures my thoughts almost perfectly. Only thing I would voice stronger is the backpack slot system. It will not work. It will not be fun. I really hope creators with audiences and a loud voice will advocate against this system. Looting in WZ1 is great, let’s not make the game an inventory management simulator
Maybe the whole thing is that they trying to slow down the game?
100% agree!! my mate is a super casual player and they are going to have no idea what is going on.
Worked perfectly well in blackout
@@mikkeltaylor1 did it? now did it really? how fast did blackout die
PUBG2. No thanks.
As an apex player, they definitely took a step backwards in the loot system. Also, when I’d play warzone, my main reason I’d play was for the loadouts. No other BR game does it and it is an amazing way to bridge the gap from MP to the BR. Hate to see them make those loadouts so difficult to access now.
You buy them at the same place the same way lol how is it difficult?
@@Typhus-th6ud 5:25
@@iwb3 loadout drops are gone not loadouts. You buy your loadout weapons from the buy station the exact same place you bought them before. Now you dont need to throw a flare and wait for a crate to drop.from the sky
@@Typhus-th6ud right u buy the gun individually for a bunch of cash. Which takes away from the regain aspects like he said and also incentives ppl to not work as a team and work towards the common goal of getting that 10k to buy a loadout for the team. I don’t think not having loadout drops r bad, but there should be a way that incorporates teamwork like say for 10k everyone gets a primary loadout gun that they can choose from
@@Typhus-th6ud but does your whole team have to buy them separately? Cost and team mate not working together because people will get selfish with cash.
100000% agree on everything you said. The buy station UI looks way to clunky & the inventory system with the backpack gotta go. Really hope they change it
The map needs to go. swapped Caldera palm and grass for Salahadins sand :P
I love the inventory System tbh makes decisions on what to take meaningful
@@ancientslav4863 bro you WarZone dudes just wanna play verdansk forever. Map looks fine, new things take time. Caldera was bad but this map looks nice
@@M1GH7YALN it makes the game SLOW, if you want to think slowly about every decision than go play blackout or apex or any other battleroyale.
@@lowprime But its not about being slow you should be able to loot someone in less than 3 sec, its about making decisions fast, and not being able to just grab everything
It feels like they aren't taking many, if any, lessons learned from Warzone 1... Hopefully they start incorporating this feedback instead of ignoring the community and hoping WE change OUR minds on what we like.
Im excited but we will see. Warzone one was great and they just ruined it. Go back to the og warzone and people will come back.
Well said... Mr. Anderson... :)
Warzone seems like it was made with an entirely different game design philosophy than warzone 1, with much more emphasis on a more traditional style BR. And I honestly don’t really understand why they did this. Warzone managed to carve out a niche for itself in the BR space: A simple and intuitive looting system, mechanics that were easy enough to learn but more difficult to master, and most importantly; no stop fast paced action. This was warzone’s thing, just like how building is what made fortnite unique.
Warzone 2, though, just looks a lot more like a traditional BR. It doesn’t look bad per se, but it definitely doesn’t look much like the sequel I’m sure that many were expecting
i like the new look
WZ1 will still be around for those that want a cracked out game play experience.
@@tomgillotti we get it bro, you copy and paste this on every video, go back upstairs your mom wants you to take the trash out
@@tomgillotti Warzone 1 has become a JOKE. If they went back to 2020 Warzone 1, I'd definitely play it over WZ2!
The still simplistic approach for WZ1 makes it great. It's just smooth.
Yep, worried. Feels like this may be the end of my renewed 2+ year interest in COD.
I feel ya . I quit playing after black ops 1 because they started catering to the casual players too much . Started back playing with Warzone 1 but looks like I may be about to checkout again . They take their real fan base for granted .
I didn’t put it together but yeah, me too. Started again 2 years ago and got hooked hard. Now I’m worried
I think Warzone 1 is currently in a very good place, apart from the Caldera map itself. To make so many changes seems to be a rash and reactionary decision. I also don't understand why they want to make it "more like a traditional BR" because if that's what people wanted from Warzone they would be playing something else, loadouts are what made Warzone unique and to throw that away in pursuit or "BR purity" is very short-sighted as I think you will alienate a lot of the casual players. Also from what I've seen in this and MWII the UI is horrendous and the new gunsmith is overly convoluted and difficult to follow.
That’s what I was thinking it’s just so weird they made so many actually good QOL changes to throw everything threw the window. Caldera turned into a testing ground for this game and they didn’t even go threw when for once people like them lmao
Yup. All the had to do was give us a good map (this one looks good), with only MW2 weapons, just like the original Warzone. A reset. Not a brand new game, this sucks.
I think Warzone 2 looks much friendlier to casual players than Warzone. The game will be a bit slower, which allows casuals to work together as a team and use positioning to win fights rather than relying on cracked movement. Looting is more important, so they will be less likely to get wiped by a team that lands, loots for 30s, buys a loadout, and then hard pushes them.
@@ConnerNeal this, COD lost a lot of players because of the cracked movement, not everyone can do it and not everybody have 12 hours daily to get better
Vanguard warzone is so bad. Vanilla warzone was slower and more enjoyable. Warzone atm feels like TDM.
I think one of Activisions biggest issues is that they constantly try to change things that work. Not saying anything is wrong with innovation especially as gaming enters a new Era and technology becomes more advanced but what's the saying? "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Definitely, needa take some time to adjust and rethink some of the newly implemented things
Jgod, thank you for being so honest with the feedback. You could’ve easily not said anything about this after they invited you to play the game. Thanks for having our backs!
IMO, one thing that made wz interesting to many people is its simpler mechanics compared to blackout. Because of this, you can get into more action instead of looting longer. I agree with JGod that this is still a game and that too much realism can definitely ruin it.
Bro yesss! This comment warzone revolutionized cod and revived it in my eyes bc it had such great movement as well as game play it didn’t feel clunky snd old like I was used to form all the other cods there was ways to get out of danger and ways to take on multiple people at once in warzone it made it so fast pace and so fun to me now this mw2 game is just gonna be a camp fest bc of the clunky slow movement and looting it’s taking a step back to like 2010 they took everything good from mw19 and ruined it this game is too realistic and too campy and I haven’t even played it I just know it is pretty sad they are pushing away players who just like to rush and get as many kills as I can now I can’t do that this game mw2 wants you to camp how is that fun
The only time I found myself stuck looting in blackout was at the beginning before I figured everything out once that happened I was not stuck looting anymore and the same thing goes for warzone until you figure out how to look at things very fast you'll be sitting there staring at the ground
The looting was different to all other battle royales, but this whole Warzone 2 seems like a move to a more generic game, which is something not many asked for.
@@hrishiv agreed a lot of people thought like I did that they were going to keep going with the slide cancel jump shot drop shot mechanics in the next game but with better graphics and new maps and guns also I think the visual recoil is too much along with the muzzle flash in mw2 but yeah a lot of people thought slide cancel made the game faster for aggressive players it gave us more of a chance against a dude camping in a corner or even another sweat to me stage mechanics in mw19 were the innovations that cod needed and now it feels like they just took a step back and now the game is stale again it’s campy slow and clunky like the old games which is now stale bc of the god like feeling of slide canceling jumps hitting and dropshotting while beaming people it made the game a lot more interesting and a bit challenging to learn the button combos and mechanics it was an unintended feature but definitely a welcome feature that should have become a main stay in cod to keep it fast paced like it should be it was just the next step in evolution for cod
@@JOEYO3 in wz1, there is still less inventory stuff to manage compared to blackout. In blackout, u even have weapon attachments as lootable items, in wz1 u can buy your loadout. There's also different health packs and armor levels in blackout, while in wz1 u got the armor to refill and that's it. Simple.
JGOD is the only one I’ve seen that gave real accurate criticism, and that says a lot especially after he just was an announcer on the World Series of Warzone. If he’s willing to risk his future work with Activision in order to call out the problems, you know the game is in shambles.
If he's willing to risk his future work with Activision in order to call out the problems it's because he cares about the game. Not because "the game is in shambles"
If constructive criticism brings him into trouble with a video game publisher, he may not even want to work with them anymore, right? That's how I would feel about it.
They invite content creators for this reason. Honest feedback. Most people don’t have the ability to accurately give criticism like JGod.
he hates MW 2019 so it stands to reason he's unhappy with what he just saw. seems like most of us really liked what we saw espcially those of us who like 2019.
This is gold for Activision, they have the industry cornered for a reason.
The more I listen to people talk about the experience. It seems like more people wish that they had our current warzone game but with this new map.
No we need new. And people need to get over the old
@@mindset1450 Tell me what problems do you have with the current Warzone that this game has supposedly "fixed"?
@@Valdex0 own this fraud
Minus the ww2 weaponry with modern scopes, skins, excessive contracts and special events, slide cancelling, bunny hoping then yes.
@@Valdex0 personally I hate the movement it’s just so gross, I know it’s a very bit part of the game and it’s not cause I’m bad at it I would just rather run like a actual person and not some mangled ball of meat with a jet pack strapped on
The feedback provided is similar to the concerns I had watching gameplay videos online. I really hope they take the time to address some of these issues then work over time to fix even more. Warzone hit at the perfect time for me, I was just getting back into games after starting a family and it was a way to connect with my friends since we were all on lockdown. It was the BR for people who don’t play traditional BRs. I hope Warzone 2 doesn’t lose sight of that.
The reason is warzone 1 stopped being a br if you played verdansk or especially Caldera it would be very traditional BR kind of slow however I and tons of players switched over to rebirth Island which was just MP with some br elements to be honest however do you think they should take some of the feedback how do you think something's into change but I'm actually really liking the look of the game even looting although it definitely looks like it's a little bit too clunky some things need to be changed with that
Vanilla warzone and vanguard warzone is like night and day. Vanilla was more like a BR. Vanguard warzone is more like a deathmatch BR.
I completely agree with everything you’ve said. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it. Personally the changes they’ve made are just gonna slow down the pace of BR. Which is what made it so good in the first place.
Slow looting and pace yet ttk is beyond fast. Yep loot for 30m to get into one fight and die.
Keep the pacing! Less time looting, more gunfights!
@@masterchefjr89 change the armour system. the ttk is now way too fast. no point in jumping in if you gonna die within a second with no chance of escaping
Why would you want a exact same game? You know WZ1 will still be available to play right?
Sounds like a lot of people need to keep playing the original WZ. Have you not thought that it's their intention to SLOW DOWN WZ2? The last MW game was slowed down and it was actually fun. Not the bunny hopping, slide canceling garbage.
I was very unimpressed with what I saw for sure. It was like a totally different game, which I get, it's suppose to be a "New" game, but it sure isn't anything like the WZ that we know now.
When WZ2 was 1st announced, I was super pumped, because it was my belief that the problems with wz1 was that it was never intended to become this massive game. It was just another game mode for MW 2019. Then it became mega popular. The next Call of Duty games came out, and Cold War and Vanguard guns, operators, vehicles etc. get integrated and the wheels started coming off.
Again, because the game wasn't originally designed to incorporate all these new things into it, so we all suffered through MANY growing pains with this game.
When announced, I thought, "Sweet! WZ2 gives them a chance to design from the ground up knowing all these things ahead of time."
What I was hoping to see was the same root game we know now, but built better, and ready for the future Call of Duty titles to plug in new guns, operators, Map POI's etc.. all that without breaking the game like what we've seen happening in our current WZ.
I was looking forward to improvements to FOV slider for console, strong anti cheat, less bugs and glitches, and all the other things that we've all wanted or talked about for two years, just built into the core game from the ground up.
I'll still give this game a try when it comes out, but If it launches anywhere close to what I've seen so far, I won't play be playing it much. At least I'll have WZ1 and hopefully Fortunes keep still around to play LOL. Just my 2...errr...10 cents.
This 100% the narrative had always been FOV and stuff can't work cause the game is barely holding on as it is so a new game is logically the best way to fix it but no one was complaining about load outs, or wanting AI or looting or begging for tweaks to slow the game down, a slower game makes perfect sense for DMZ but not for warzone
This is EXACTLY what I was expecting as well, yet they seem to have ignored what people didn’t like about warzone and have just done something entirely different that I don’t care to play because of the complexity of it :(
Honestly i wont even download it. If i want to play pubg well ill play pubg
I'm not excited for this game at all. I think I'm playing the current for the time being
I agree, the game would have been great with just a new map. All the other uneccessary changes will destroy the game imo and I will not be downloading it, looks like Rebirth/Caldera/ Fortunes keep for the next 2 years.
I agree with this! I think the beautiful thing about Warzone has been the simplicity. Simple looting system with automatic pick-ups, and an absence of toggle screens when opening up looting chests. Call of Duty warzone is Call of Duty Battle Royale. Faster paced, run and shoot. I don't like that their system is moving towards the type of system I stay away from in both Apex and PubG. Literally cannot play those games because of the slow pace, due to complex toggle-screen based looting. Also, was there like an uproar to remove loadouts from Warzone or something? I felt like that was very enjoyed throughout the entire Warzone process. So weird that they're straying away from the things that have made Warzone so great.
I heard there’s going to be load outs just not in the beta
@@RyanMitchell418 that would be LOVELY
Actually apex is super fast paced. Even the looting happens quick if you are used to it. I played more apex lately than warzone and loot faster in apex. I think it depends on what you are used to
Apex is faster paced than warzone.
@@GERMAN2FUCK2DOWN better loot fast in apex because the third party is a comin!
Absolutely love the passion JGOD has for the community and not being afraid to be honest about the problems in the new game, especially knowing that people from IW and Activision watch his videos which hopefully has some impact on the development before the final release. Major respect!
Will we still be able to play the original warzone when this new warzone 2.0 drops?
@@loganpowell4213 yeah warzone 1 will still be a thing but it’s changing to warzone caldera so who knows if that means they’ll get rid of rebirth
No shills on this God! - His unbiased breakdowns are one of the purest things on CZcams! Seriously
@@claytonw1258It would be a shame if Rebirth was taken away.
Would be funny to see more people playing warzone1 than warzone2 if no major changes occur. Would be a shame because the maps looks nice. However they either listen to the players who actually play or lose money their call.
The lack of loadouts actually confuses me from a financial standpoint too. People would buy cool weapon skins to use in-game, but now with having ground loot there’ll be less people interested in buying cool gun skins.
This doesn’t make much sense to me for activision
Exactly, seems like they will sell far less now.
Exactly, seems like they will sell far less now.
you can still buy guns from buy stations
@@BlackJesus8463 prices and TTK can be easily adjustable. I'm pretty sure they will fix it till launch.
its infinity ward bro I'm not even surprised they are one of the worse devs ever when it comes to the community i mean jut look what they did with my 2019 and mw2 mp everyone told them we like classic minimap what did they do take away classic minimap they arent listening to us they are giving us what they want us to have not what we want
They changed everything that made warzone unique, the ability to decide if you want to play fast or slow and choosing the playstyle based on the loadouts you set up. deciding with the team which perks to run based on zone and game plan. doesn't make sense that they added all the quality of life changes people wanted and now they revert to this?
these changes help the random player, but for people who get on to play with their squad, doesn't make sense now to share inventory, cash, ill just keep it so I can upgrade my own guns.
DMz is backpacking inventory,
Warzone. its called a warzone, Should focus on killing and staying alive, rather then collecting and looting.
whole purpose of plunder was for the looters to get their fix there.
just knowing how much cash, plates each team member had helped the teamwork aspect of the game and that took ages to implement and now? they just disregard it for the new game?
I hope more of those content creators that went to the event speak up like this. cause i get it, everyone had to bite their tongue at the event, but the whole point of it as they say was for feedbak. fix the game.
would be sad to see more plaers still on rebirth when the new game comes out.
love the map, the vehicles and the water gun play.
will miss slide canceling to break legs.
I agree with everything you said. They changed their whole identity. Should've changed the name as well if they're gonna keep all these changes in play. They should've made the dmz mode like this and kept warzone similar to how it was before.
exactly....warzone goes top1 with action , now its looting simulator . WZ2 end same like PubG , empty servers with bots ... oh wait , there are allrdy bots 🤣😂
Spot on! Warzone it so much fun because it's CoD based, and now they are implementing stuff from less fun games.
what's the point great a new game if its going be the same..btw wz1 still around lolol
Its still a battle royale. Loudouts make no sense
Final FINAL word; the game has been changed to cast a wider net and grab new player….to further monetize. Also, I’m willing to bet that this content creator will spend a significant time streaming the game no matter the bugs and or changes. ☺️
Whatever gets him the clicks...
I think you put everything perfectly, and it’s actually insane to me how the devs didn’t consider any of your logical, common sense concerns when spending hours upon hours developing whatever… this is.
What made Warzone so unique was how intuitive and smooth it is. You don’t even have to think about looting, buy stations are straight forward and make sense, and the overall game mechanics are fair. For instance, every player having 3 plates creates a EVEN playing field; only putting a player at an disadvantage if they have less plates than another. But with one absolutely unnecessary change, you’ve created an environment where the difference in health has to do with a pickup item that isn’t as easily accessible as picking up a plate. It’s these “small” decisions that have a huge butterfly effect and change the entire fundamentals and approach to the game.
What people wanted was this: New Map that resembled a Verdansk atmosphere and design, and the new MW2 engine with all of the cool new features that they had been adding more recently. Instead their egos got in the way and they produced the worst possible scenario for a new Warzone game.
Agreed!
Amen
Word up!
Yup!
Exactly.
I really hope there is a decent compromise to getting your custom gun/s. Not too hard to obtain or too expensive. I love warzone and the fact that i can choose to snipe or whatever. I am open for change but loadouts do add alot of replay ability. I would say the gulag is the worst thing of all. Its not straight forward. Should stay a 1v1. And i hate that we would have to depend on a random player to keep playing the gamr. Armor system is also pretty bad. Literally no one ever complained about the armor system in warzone 1. Everyone should be on a level playing field
I'm the tiny minority that doesn't like the plating in Warzone. I hate feeling like you'll die from a soft breeze if you have no plates. Warzone 2 hasn't done anything to change that, they just made it more clunky and annoying than before.
whats not straight forward killing 2 person in gulag? lol.
If anything you should spawn with 0 armor, and loot a tier 1 2 or 3 vest that has plate slots. Just like apex
@@justsaying3176 i guess you didnt watch the video
Honestly, I’m okay with waiting until next year for Warzone 2. Like you said, we want the most out of this, and if that means more time to fix some “quality of life” things, then so be it. And looking at the gameplay, it kinda seems like they tried to slow the game down, but they might have overdone it a bit.
Why can't we beta test it for a year like we do with every other game once they finally get to all the bugs a new one comes out
Yea like, they really wanted realism but at the cost of gameplay. They can release WZ2 with WZm next year I have np but dear god! Don't release at this state with the fast and uniqueness of WZ 1 which we all loved. Like these are all ok for DMZ, not WZ.
They will never fix anything in the end anyway so you might as well have it in November. Anyway It might be brilliant, I don't necessarily go along with what streamers say they have a different set of priorities to usual players. If anything I think streamers have too much influence on these things,
It can’t be worse than caldera 😂
@@mrsnuffleupagus9014 nothing should be changed and everyone should be beta testing it as soon as possible so we can actually work on bugs instead of worrying about loadouts and gameplay
Really appreciate the fact that you said loadouts are a neutral. I feel like it goes to show how you're really looking at it from all angles, instead of just selfishly from a content perspective. I know a lot of of content creators obviously love talking about perfect builds and leveling up guns, but its tough when you're a casual and just dont have time to level up the "new meta" only for it to go away by the time you level it up. Really love your feedback!
When he said that I re-locked back into the video. I thought it was going to be extremely biased content creator opinions but he really is thinking about it at all angles. JGod's channel has the highest engagement with loadout videos and even he is neutral for WZ2. Very unselfish take and his credibility went up for me after this one.
Well said. Content Creators have access to everything in Warzone.
It will be so interesting to see if there is a real balance between casual players and 10 hour-a-day gamers.
didnt think about it this way, defnitely makes sense. as a casual i would like to play at an even plane as someone that spends 10 hour a day playing and is able to level up these guns much quicker. it puts you at a huge disadvantage.
OG Warzone was such an incredibly unique BR experience. After being so excited for WZ2, I’m so disappointed in where this is headed.
🤣🤣🤣
I was ready to buy in the the presale. Now definitely I’m not buying it until I read MANY of these things are changed
One neat thing about the gas splitting is that you can get an early UAV, stand near where they split, and pop the UAV. Then make an informed decision of where to go, wether you want to hunt for kills, or avoid other players.
That's a big brain strat
@@GetOffTheLawn though it's assuming that the NPCs and players show differently on the map. But watching more than one ping and seeing if they are stationary or if they move, and how they are grouped, an experienced player could guess the difference.
You can only buy one uav per team I believe. Which makes no sense
I agree with a good majority of this TBH and i really hope the devslook at the comments.Looting is ridiculiously clunky and a lot is taking away from the actual combact aspect. I can imagine my rage comms because I needed ammo and i died because im getting pushed while I am in the hud screen. I think loadouts made the game whta it is but everything they have done seems more like its for DMZ. Which is cool but they almost reoved everything that made WZ successful. Simply put. It seems like the gaes were not created seperately. This is not the revamp WZ needed and I honestly think it should be delayed at this point to fix the issues. If I wanted to play DMZ mode I would. Why is WZ now just like DMZ. Keep it fast paced.
Facts facts
1. They need to have WZ1 looting, ammo and armour plate system. We do not want to be juggling our inventory
2. You should be able to get your load out other ways than buying it from the buy station especially for end game if you get bought back in
3. You need to have balloons in game or better ways of moving around the map as it’s so big
4. Get rid of AI or have them in high tier looting places and make it more rewarding for having to deal with them . Also, get rid of them on UAV
5. Get rid of the satchel as it gives an RNG aspect to the game that we don’t want
6. Don’t change what’s not broken from WZ1
Well the reason they switched up is to fix the hacking and you can't copy and paste and fix that you have to go all new and start over
Appreciate your honesty Jgod. You touched on most of what I’m worried about. WZ is what got me back into gaming after a 10 year hiatus and this WZ2 experience does not seem to have what made WZ1 so popular. If they need to delay it, so be it.
@@Neptune695 no one cares mate
Warzone 2 reminds me of Blackout with a realistic feel and similar loot system like pubg.
They don’t really need to delay it, they’ll just patch the game when needed after it’s released. Players need to understand that it’s going to be a long process, the best way to get the game better is to release it and then listen to what the players are saying and change what needs to be changed. A beta that last only a couple of days is just not long enough, there’s too much things going on in a game like Warzone, and players will always complain about something no matter what or when it releases.
Yeah i agree big time it dosent look fun at all..
@@MilLFeuilles patching is a viable solution for small fixes. In this case we are talking about core mechanics. I dont think it will be possible to adress these points after the game launches, at least it will be harder. What we learned from the BF 2042 is better to have a delayed 9/10 than a rushed 1/10
MW 2019 movement was what made me play warzone. It was so fluid compared to other games. I'm a bit worried about the clunky movement in this game. Also no loadout? Why are they trying to be pub g? They had a great formula that only needed a few tweaks to be great. (Like a good map lol)
Same, lack of slide cancel is the worst thing for me
I agree with everything you said! And if there's no loadouts, no one is going to waste money on buying bundles in the store. You're not always going to find $30k to get both of your guns not to mention your whole squad. Map is a W everything else is a L. Imo
🤦♂️There are Loadouts. You just get them from the shop now.
@@elllddeennring6580 not really, squad of 4 needs now more than 80k just for weapons instead of 10k for perks as well.
@@elllddeennring6580 he said that can you read
No loadout drops grab money and buy from the buy station. Even your blueprints.
Agree. The map looks really good. They need to add redeploy balloons though.
I like how it's harder to get a load out. Part of the game is supposed to be about using what you can find, not getting your loadout immediately and going into easy mode against those who don't have it.
Yea until u load up get unlucky 50/50 times with shotguns and sub machine guns just to get gunned down by a dude camping up a window with a lmg….. lol nah I’m good just gimme my load out
@@holyblurry8420 loadouts balance the game so much. If we both have our loadouts and face each other it comes down to skill more often and I love that.
What?
The biggest part of Warzone is the loudouts, if i wanted a gun lego simulator, id play PUBG
They got away from the things that made Warzone unique. Fully believe loadout system should’ve stayed the same.
I definitely never understood why people like it so much the fact that it’s gone is making me willing to try war zone 2 as somebody who lost interest pretty quick with Warzone 1 because I felt like it was just Way to oversimplified and made looting so pointless past a few min but that’s just me
@@sadmarinersfan8935 because everybody wants to play the same 2-3 meta weapons.
They cant play with guns that need a bit more skill
@@sadmarinersfan8935 from my perspective, I like loadouts because that’s what put the main aspect of the Call of Duty brand into BR. Cod has always been about building a class that’s unique to your play style and personality via attachments and camos
The map looks amazing. Everything else is terrible.
Exactly. The new Warzone map looks stunning everything else including multiplayer is absolutely terrible.
Honestly they’ve done too many changes that slow the game down.
you still gonna play for years
@@Sabrinajeromej No, I don't have to, if I don't like it, I'll stay with one or look for something different. Just don´t be a sheep.
I wish we can play this map in warzone 1
This Warzone feels like what DMZ should be. Warzone should be done almost identically to how the current Warzone is. And DMZ should be how the current Warzone 2.0 is
Nah DMZ is something completely different. It’s an extraction game mode like tarkov and hunt the showdown
Nah DMZ is something completely different. It’s an extraction game mode like tarkov and hunt the showdown
So you just want wz 1.2?
@@shadowtitan8545 sadly, yes. I know I do
I watched Jgod live for this event and I feel like he’s hit the nail on the head with this breakdown.
As someone who loves Tarkov I can’t wait for DMZ (imagining it’ll be a relatively quicker Tarkov with COD mechanics).
But I also loved Warzone cause it was so easy to play, you got to focus on fights and tactics and didn’t have to worry about inventory management, looting chests, searching, long periods with nothing happens like other BRs.
It’s like they got so caught up with making DMZ great that they forgot to focus on their core audience, WZ players. Hopefully they manage to speed it up a lot cause in its current state it doesn’t look like a game I’ll enjoy and I can’t imagine my friends will either, seems like more work than it needs to be
Perfectly stated
Yeah, honestly this makes me want to give Tarkov a 2nd chance more than anything.
@@El_Goofo it’s a great game, just a lot of work, I have to be in a specific mood to play it. Great game though
@@CaptainCupcakez115 I bought it knowing it's great and it takes some time to learn but wow it's a lot to learn lol. I should give it another go though.
Yeah I think there is a reason warzone is so successful and it’s honestly a little embarrassing that the devs don’t understand that
I get it, I really do, it’s attractive to launch a completely new experience but it’s at the detriment to so much that makes Warzone replayable, and dare I say even addictive. That feeling of I want to play when I get home from work. A lot of that magic seems to be missing here or at least locked behind new cumbersome mechanics.
And also, to summarise everyone moved to rebirth…and this experience couldn’t be any further from that experience. All of the middle ground (5th circle loadout, redeploy tokens, portable buys, balloons have seemingly been removed and I think the cumbersome and layered looting system will be the deal breaker when considered in the context of EVERYTHING else that has stripped Warzone of its identity.
Personally if it isn't fixed to be at least a little more like current wz, movement and looting wise I'll probably just play mp and wz mobile on verdansk lol
@@Themirror79 I don’t blame you at all
@@Themirror79 they really took a huge flop not gonna lie....is mobile on pc or nahhh?😭
Rebirth isn’t a BR. It’s like a different team deathmath
Rebirth isn’t a BR. It’s like a different team deathmath
The map looks good! However, the looting, AI, and the fact that the lootable perks and other QOL improvements aren't there has me worried. There is so much that needs to be fixed for it to be payable. Looks like WZ1 will still be a thing after this launches.
That’s if WZ1 isn’t taken anyway to force cross over to WZ 2.0.
The way it look I’m not sure I’ll start packing boxes just yet.
Message to developers: I stand by JGOD's comments. We need the best game possible at launch, even if it's delayed. We'll be playing this game for two full years. Thank you JGOD for your feedback. Thank you devs for all the hard work! 🙏
Don’t mind the movement change whether if slide cancels stays in the game when people find it or if they patch it it really doesn’t matter to me. But to me my main problems are the mess of menus and UIs they added to make things tough to navigate like looting buy stations etc it’s all too unnecessary. Warzone currently is so good cause it’s menus both on the buy station and picking up and dropping things so easy to learn and so quick aswell that all these menus are just a hindrance and slows the gameplay down. Just have loot drop on the floor when the crate is open and simplify the menu on the buy station. For me the 2v2 concept is fine for me could take it or leave it but the AI in the gulag is a weird decision and just completely defeats the purpose of the gulag imo. For me the AI spread out around the map in random locations is also really dumb especially since you could just wander into a ai filled location without warning till your shot at. I feel like if they wanna keep it they should bring back loadout and incorporate them into the system. Make it so in order to get loadout you either buy them at the store but have them be decently priced or get a loadout marker from one of the strongholds you discover. Have there be 10-20 different possible spawns for the strongholds but only 5-10 strongholds are active per game and not have them be marked on the map, or else that’s gonna create some horrible 3rd party situations,but rather them be discovered as you play which means if you run into an AI it means your at a stronghold once you clear it out a room opens up with a stash that when opened comes with self revives satchels and a loadout marker for you and your team to get loadout. And for people that can’t get loadout incorporate the titanium trials idea for buying a loadout gun and have it get cheaper after each zone so the regain isnt bad. It was a huge plus in titanium trials imo. Other then that incorporate all the QOL improvements from warzone rn and I would be happy
I think there straying too far from the original “warzone br” theme that made it popular.
The simplicity of warzone I felt is what made it great. I think they’re making it overly complicated for no real benefit.
Majority of players will just end up staying with warzone 1 I think.
Warzone 1 will be no more.
With the current WZ state, it's most likely people will just stick to MP than go back to this shitshow
@@lozatron1991 I read they were continuing to support WZ1
@@ThePunk01 did they say warzone 2 will have console sliders?
I think they tried to slow the game down to make it more casual friendly but went too far with it. The loot system is by far the worst. It's going to be especially bad for controller players navigating the selectable options at every box. I don't mind removing loadouts but making your setup guns buys on an individual level os going to create some infighting between teammates that you know...randoms are going to be absurd because everyone will want their gun 1st. I like the 3 circle converging into one idea though
WZ1 will still be around for those that want a cracked out game play experience.
Yep. Looting is going to be an automatic death sentence for controller players. Just sitting still in front of a buy station for 10 seconds to get 2 items is nuts.
@@MatthiasWeinberger the other way around
The loot system was exactly the same in blackout so I'm pretty sure a lot of us will still be familiar with it at least I will be
@@mpdmpd8118 I'm guessing these people didn't play blackout
For me the loadout drops are the biggest difference from other "normal" battle royals. And I absolutely love the idea of getting your Loadout and not to be reliant on floor loot. I hope they bring them in in the final version. Not having them would be a big con for me.
Agreed! This bot JGOD doesn’t speak for people who are actually good at the game
@@charlesedens3785 If you feel yoou need your loadout to win you really can't call anyone else a bot.
nah. keep loadouts out. theres no perks what the point of having a loadout when you cab just buy the exact gun you want? its the same system just not clunky andnyoure not giving away your position every time you need a loadout....its a win....youll see. loadouts are gone...you just gotta do more contracts and stuff to earn money. not just hide in the corner of the map and make a bunch of mobey stock up on a bunch of stuff and then hold a building with 10 uavs ready to go.......this makes it so you have to earn weapons. more balance this way and more active gameplay
@@jsalas5400 bot
@@charlesedens3785 dont play the game then newb.
WZ1 wouldn’t have really dipped in player count if this was the map to be released for it. If they could just have WZ1 features like looting, loadouts, and yes even movement because while I don’t care for slide canceling, let’s be real, WZ1 would be different without it. I’m excited to see the changes they make this coming weekend to the MP
I agree mostly. Looting needs to be made simple. Ammo, plates, and money should automatically be picked up and put in your inventory when you walk over it and you no longer need to worry about where those things are stored. Also, we love picking up the perks and other quality of life items off the ground. Please don't get rid of that. The map is amazing. I love the three zones. Spectating has become a huge thing for streamers recently and now I hate the shoulder cam. That needs to be fixed. Also I feel that COD is disenfranchising their melee and sniping community by making it so hard to get the weapons that you want without any loadouts. I also love that you can move around in the Heli. I hate the gulag. I'm ok with the 2v2 but get rid of the AI and the escape keys. So many more things I can say but these are the most important in my opinion.
Agree with everything you’ve said here, (apart from the melee aspect as I can’t stand the stun/melee/riot shield play-style, but I know that’s personal preference haha)
Boo Hoo it's a free game
My 3 biggest concern's is not plating while sprinting. The second concern is how slow the process of looting is and the final and probably biggest concern is being locked at 2 plates. I think that would be better in ranked WZ2. Not in normal pubs.
WZ1 will still be around for those that want a cracked out game play experience.
WZ2 is becoming pubg slower pace, looting, long time in between fights. Im definitely not buying the game in this current form.
@@tomgillotti they are not closing wz1? lol everyone on rebirth all 2023
@@RevolverOcelot94 no, they're leaving it there for people who still prefer that experience.
@@tomgillotti if wz2 launches like this that’s where everyone is gonna be
You’re spot on about how smooth apex looting system is, I dropped a comment on one of your previous videos regarding this. Apex always had that vertical looting system but it’s so well defined in terms of weapons, ammo, shield, optics, nades plus with the coloring which helps. This looting system just feels sad like a super low budget game
My biggest gripe is how the slow game mechanics are, they are not conducive with the BR game mode, a game mode that is time restricted (ie the closing circle)!. The looting is more suited to a survival game, the circle split is complete meta and takes the game away from being played out organically, and slide cancelling no longer being “a thing” means the journey across the map is going to feel a lot longer and less satisfying. The multiplayer is on point though, I think it does well and Warzone ends up being changed to its core till it does not resemble what we currently see🫡
Also, totally agree on the WZ vs Multi Player problems. I always viewed WZ as an entirely different game when it first came out. When I que'd up WZ I played completely differently than I would in MP. Once they started integrating them MP became confused and suffered terribly. I always preferred MP in the past but now I don't really care for either.
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I totally agree. I was super excited for this game. After watching the event I’m completely turned off. It just doesn’t look fun. It looks like they took away all the QOL stuff that makes WZ enjoyable.
“…enjoyable for me” I believe is what you meant to say
Me and most people yes. The looting system looks like a nightmare. Game looks super slowed down. Theres a number of things that are not promising.
The more I watched the event the less I wanted to play it .
I wish they would have just made a new map and left everything else the same .
@@kablammy7 but also get rid of slide canceling lol my hands cant take it anymore!
@@Stevie_Enzymes
what if they made the cancel a different button ? so that when you are sliding - you can hit something else besides the same crouch button ? that could alleviate the problem of having to double hit crouch so much .
I am a programmer and I understand that would require some coding to keep track of when every player on the server is sliding ...
I think that is why they decided to have the looting be by menu - so they don't have to continuously keep track of every item from loot boxes on the ground and when to make them go away . It saves CPU usage and memory and bandwidth resources .
hopefully loadouts aren’t removed. they were a big part of what set warzone apart from the other games in its genre. plus loadouts are a fairly large part of the content creation side of things for the game.
Lol yeah for sure dude. What a great thing that the only goal is to grab as much cash as possible to be immediately set.
You and swagg both hit the nail on the head. There are certain things that we are used to that should be very similar to keep the game pacing. Buy stations and looting should be very simple and similar to what we have now. Ammo should not take up slots in our inventory. They need to keep it simple. We want to play a game to have fun, we don’t want to pretend like we are actually in a war.
It sounds like 90 percent of the playerbase just want the same game they already had. Kind of weird.
@@thefaceoffuzz Is it really that weird that we expect a sequel to be similar to the original game?
@@thefaceoffuzz I think after Caldera many players are just outright scared of change. I don't think that anybody really wants a Warzone 1.5 instead of a Warzone 2. It's time to move forward with the game.
You are confusing fun with less adaptivity
@@pilotpetrov3855 Ya but they are going backwards instead and making in Blackout 1.5
I think they're trying a little too hard to reinvent the wheel and fix what wasn't broken. I understand the removal of loadouts, and that might be a good move, but that is definitely one of the big things that set WZ apart, so it feels risky. The other thing was just the total ease of looting; I don't think this system is as good, and it'll allow for much jankier gunfights that just feel inconsistent cause some people will be carrying 4 guns and others 30 plates. Also the 3 plate thing: I think three should be standard, as it should be consistent in terms of expected ttk. Speaking of ttk, I think the extra 100 or so hp of current warzone is much better for a BR, especially if they want to keep the current changes that put WZ2 more in line with classic BRs. The fast ttk was more justifiable when you had more complete control of your weapons, perks, situation, etc, and is way too fast in the more generalized BR world (and frankly is better in WZ too), so I really hope they take another look at that aspect.
What he said ^
Yeah, if the game is gonna be slower in almost every aspect, the TTK should also be longer.
100%
Mad respect for JGod for giving proper feedback!
He’s concerned that his niche videos that made him popular are now going to reduce his growth
@@chandlermilton8740 Pretty much yeah. Shoulder camera gives him motion sickness, but spectating someone who spins and slide cancel like manic does not
@@ZeeRaX17 lol exactly...
Not really sure how I feel about this tbh, I think a lot of people will just go back to playing MP, It just doesn’t look like Warzone anymore , Understand they wanted to change stuff but they could have just changed the guns up , airstrikes etc and a new completely different map etc but they have went all out and changed literally every single thing.
Without loadouts it genuinely looks like the mobile cod😂
WZ1 will still be around for those that want a cracked out game play experience.
@@tomgillotti Except, Warzone 1 has become a JOKE!
well cod mobile has the loadout (supply drops) if you dont know.
@@tomgillotti thank God because yeah warzone 2 is a no for me lol
-rebirth player
The no loadout is really bugging me. As one of those guys who’s done random fills. With the new warzone 2 system. You’ll see more players be much more conservative with their money. So if a random loses gulag they might not get bought back you’ll see greedy players buy weapons at buy stations over players who are out. Between that and looting it’s really the only thing that’s holding me back from liking warzone 2
The key thing that made Warzone such a success was its simplicity vs other BRs. Looting at the touch of a button, not having clunky inventory systems was a breath of fresh air, and completely changed the BR experience, allowing the player more time to experience the actual game. WZ2 looks to be undoing all of that, by over complicating things that they previously simplified with huge success. Why fix what isnt broken??? Also, multiplayer feels awful in its current state for the casual player
Looting should of stayed the same. No one was complaining about the looting system so why change it?😅
multiplayer is good especially if ur a casual u would like it more than mw 2019
Hi Jgod! I noticed in the cod event, that when players were using the "buy station" in warzone, guns cost different amounts of money. As you are buying your own customized guns, this might mean that guns and perhaps also attachments have different costs attached to them when customing your weapons, and these costs then could be adjusted by the popularity of guns/attachments(perhaps in a weekly update). This would be an elegant way to balance weapons making meta guns to cost more and give more variety for which gun to use: If you want to use that current best meta gun, you need to have money for it. Or perhaps you choose to settle for a slightly off-meta weapon so that you have enough money for a good secondary and/or an UAV.
I love this idea
this is a great idea.
I agree with most of those changes. Had the very similar thoughts while watching CoD NEXT. TTK seemed way too fast, especially with limited plates. Limited UAVs makes sense if they aren't allowing any perks at all; that being said, if they are going to leave all the AI in the map, they shouldn't appear on UAV. AI in a BR I was not a fan of, unless at specified locations; they did it well in caldera with the trucks and bunkers IMO. The looting system seemed terrible and clunky like you said. One thing I don't think I've heard anyone talk about was being able to slide on a mounting surface like we had in Caldera, I think they could still incorporate that but maybe slow the sliding speed down a bit. Just some things I wanted to touch on from what I was able to see during the event.
I could almost guarantee you there would be a game mode with no ai
Ttk is perfect what
Everyone is crying about the looting 😂. Can’t be super sweaty anymore and you have to think about what you’re doing. It’s a real battle royale now. Looks perfect to me.
I absolutely hate all traditional BR with an undying passion. That's why I love Rebirth and Plunder so much. Those two modes made WZ playable for players like me. I'm really hoping they have a Plunder like mide in WZ2
I always found war zone to be way too simplistic and dumb down compared to every other br game I just felt like all the ground loot just never actually mattered past a few minutes outside of money and armor and a couple other things it just felt like once you got your load out there was no point to actually scavenge anymore no point to look just no strategy just get money as quick as possible get load out and that’s it I guess if somebody just wants a more simplistic experience I guess I understand that I feel like they could do so much more with a proper loot system and inventory system
I think the dmz mode might hook you in man. It’s all about looting
Plunder😂😂
100% agree. I tried APEX and the looting/inventory system held me back and if WZ2 is even worse I dont think it will be fun.
Thing is, when I play with lesser skilled friends they and I soectate them looting its awful. They are already slow and their strategic choices are questionable sometimes. When I now have to think, they have to arrange an inventory and choose what to pick, its gonna be awful.
The game needs to be intuitive. 2 lethal, 2 tactical, killstreak, all the ammo and some plates and maybe make 3 different kind of bags that hold 3,6,9,12 plates. Done.
I was legit excited for this game to come out but having seen the map and the looting issues I don’t know this could get frustrating to play.
The map looks great
@@ryancampbell5267 It looks like caldera
Exactly, the problem with this map is that it’s too brown so now you will literally see no players at all, like how we had the roze skin people hiding in dark parts of the map. Too many small huts and buildings just watch this map will get old very quick.
@@Kaedi5 I've seen majority positive reviews when it comes to the map unless we're going to count AI as part of the map and in which case that's the only really negative thing I've seen and the problem with AI is that they're just everywhere
@@RaNgErs_Rep that’s also another issue why put them in the game and no load outs when we are all already playing against each other. Maybe I’ll just continue to be disappointed and play fifa 😂
well I only like 2 things (which you're not a fan of) about WZ2:
- the original HP
- no balloons. They just break my immersion. i get that they are useful, I use them too on Fortune's Keep but they just feel so out of place, so unrealistic.
And i know there's not much realism in CoD but it at least tries to look somewhat realistic which helps with immersion.
I'm fine with how the game looks as it's clearly in alpha/beta and CZcams decompresses the footage a lot. But I'm mainly worried about the looting system and the AI's I don't want all these AI's kicking about. It's one thing taking away loadouts but the looting system was so simple and worked especially for controller players, if anything all they had to do was make it spread out more and make stuff easier to grab. And for all the people upset about slide cancels, it isn't that deep it was spammy af and isn't skilled in anyway (yes I know how to do it and when to do it, I'm not a 'bot' just a different opinion).
I agree with you on everything but slide canceling. Proper slide canceling is very skilled.
@@bigvanvader3122 circle circle X while moving , so skilled lol
My guy, the game comes out in November, the game is not in beta and certainly not in alpha. It's done. That being said, I think the game looks fine, most people are just complaining to complain.
I'll be honest the only 2 things I like it's the new map and that there it's no vanguard weapons.WZ was mostly a hit for the load out, also that could hurt them on the sell of blueprints why buy them if you can barely use them, the are ring to reinvent the wheel
At this rate, I'm about to invest in a gaming phone, and go full mobile with Verdansk.
To me the elevation seems to be more balanced. Something blackout was certainly better at, as far as map design was.
I think warzone is in a great spot right now (taking away bombers and planes) we just need a better map, no one is asking them to remove loadouts and reinvent the game, all we ask for is a good map, they did too many unnecessary changes to the game
WZ1 will still be around for those that want a cracked out game play experience.
@@tomgillotti shut up please.
The foundation appears to be there, but they have unlearned a lot of what they have learned from Warzone. I am worried about the loadout situation, what made Warzone unique was loadouts. No perks is okay, but severely restricting access to custom weapons is going to shoot them in the foot. The system as it currently stands makes it seem like custom weapons are going to be so hard to get and makes regaining almost pointless, that there might be no reason to get MW2 if Warzone 2 is one's interest, which defeats the point of connecting the F2P product and premium product.
I'm thinking of cancelling my MW2 pre-order based on this WZ2 showing. Looks like a downgrade.
@@Maedhrossss do it brother.
Loadouts will be in when it comes out, they just weren't in for the event
And a lot of people need to realize that this is a super early build of warzone 2 , the first warzone was way more polished before anyone played it
I’m curious as somebody who hates the loadout system can you tell me why you like it I’ve never understood why people find it fun just curious is all every time I ask people just get toxic and call me bad when I’m just trying to get an honest answer why people find it fun
There seems to be a consensus about all of the issues you brought up with other streamers as well. I think that's a good thing. Hopefully it narrows it down for the devs and hopefully they fix most of these issues. One things for sure, the map to me looks amazing. Can't wait to play on it. I'd hate for it to be delayed.
My one gripe is that if it’s not broke why fix it. Verdansk came out with the hopes of being a Mil-Sim style BR but it ended up being a really fun arcade. Warzone 2 looks to be more along the lines of a mil sim with not too many arcade aspects and I think that will push a lot of people away
They are stripping everything away that made warzone so unique & special. Really hope they listen to the feedback.
I really disagree with the QoL issue you brought up. I think gas masks are one thing, but a lot of us like Verdansk and early WZ1 because of the realism. Balloons, portable buy stations etc etc take away from a realistic BR that had COD gunplay that we originally enjoyed. I despise Caldera. I’m not a sweat, I have a 1.65KD. But being forced to slide cancel while my bot buddies get flown in one and beamed from the sky’s when we rotate isn’t fun. Some of us want strategy and realism, think we shouldn’t cater to the TTV sweats that think this isn’t fast paced or fortnight-esque.
i dont mind fast pace, but i do like the more traditional BR style of game. Like i said in other posts, i started playing Br's back with H1Z1 and then PUBG. Heck, i used to watch twitch streamers way back when play the Arma BR's. Im fine with a more traditional style. I'd have to play the game to see how the looting actually feels, im sure after a few matches its going to become 2nd nature to everyone.
My thoughts exactly when you talked about the speed of play. That’s what got me into WZ in the first place-seeing the fast action and game play was new and exciting. All I play is FK and Rebirth because I love how fast it is. This seems sooo slooow. I hope they change it to be quicker somehow or I’ll be on WZ1 forever haha
That’s why I play rebirth, because of the pace
I think u havent played WZ since the Start cuz IT was much slower.
I’m curious to see how loadout drops work in Warzone because in the beta loadout drop was a field upgrade.
Personally, i’m a HUGE fan of the more traditional BR feel. I’ve never really fallen for any other BR game outside of Warzone because they all feel cartoony. But i’ve ALWAYS been the biggest COD nerd, so for them to drop another version of Warzone that pushes a little bit more realism is SO COOL!
This is a community that’s impossible to please no matter what you give them, so I honestly am hoping the DEVs just stick to their guns and let people feel it out. People will get around to these new changes and eventually it’ll be the preferred norm.
I believe that everyone who is complaining about the changes are afraid that the game is going to get harder. I say good. Punish players for sprinting around like headless chickens. Reduce the aim assist when someone is moving around. This should be a tough game, and not just because people abuse the aim assist.
@@brrguitarist Well I'm playing the Multi or I was last night and the aim assist is being abused. People are toggling Ads to get a lock.
you summarized all my concerns. Was definitely super excited during the event trailers but as the creators started dropping into the new map it just felt meh. I hope they make those changes recommended by you. Otherwise I see wz1 still being the main playground for those that fell in love with the wz style br. Even if it’s just rebirth since the caldera map is meh
buying your weapons is an interesting turn from load outs. I think it will turn out to be a pro as you can buy your weapons quietly without giving away your location dropping a load out. Also does away with people camping free load outs. as long as you’re able to find money and buy stations relatively easily, I think we’ll like this
Buying individual guns is fine but it should cost significantly more than loadouts which NEED to be included as well.
It would then give you a decision between buying a cheaper loadout with two guns in it but having to wait for it to land and alerting everyone around you. OR buying one gun quietly and instantly but paying the full loadout price for it.
interesting for you to assume that people won't camp buys now considering its going to take time to pick the menu you want, pick the gun you want and then get off the buy screen
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That may be true but you’re talking over $10k+ per weapon per squad mate. So it definitely has its drawbacks
One weapon cost 12k! One! now for a trio if you want to get double weapon each it will cost 72k
I completely agree on most of the things you said. A delay would be much more appreciated if we want the best experience. Why is it so necessary to make things so complicated in order to have innovations in the game? Sometimes simpler is better.
There were some features that were introduced in caldera already thinking on WZ2.0 and I'm 100% sure that it will on WZ2.0 too.
1. Pink Gun Boxes. This was something that for caldera is OK, but for WZ2.0 will be a huge feature since the loadout now is different.
2. Box UAV. Again for caldera that is also something good but for WZ2.0 this will be much more important, also to help find the pink boxes.
3. Mask animation auto/manual switch. This was something that was asked since the first person died because of the animation, so it will 100 be on WZ2.0.
4. Perks as loot. Since we don't have a way now to get the perks, I'm sure that this will be in WZ2.0, maybe not at the beginning as was said during CODNEXT but maybe they are trying to balance it first, but for sure this will be on WZ2.0.
5. Gulag and redeploy tokens. Was a great addition and it will definitely be on WZ2.0.
NOW, there are some quality of life changes for caldera that were really needed there, that may not be on WZ2.0 but would be really nice to have there.
1. Portable balloons and also fixed balloons. For caldera this was huge, but for the new WZ2.0 this also would be good, but not sure if it will be there since the are trying to low the pace for the game.
2. Portable buy. This was also something that was needed in caldera, and with the new loadout system this will also be huge on WZ2.0. But again not sure if it will be available for the same reason as before.
Saying that, I believe that WZ2.0 has a huge potential, there are some adjustments that they need to do like:
1. Plates and Ammo should have a special slot, and it needs to be automatic pick up. Also, the 3 plates only be available if you have a vest, not sure if it was a great change.
2. Gulag should have to have now better guns or at least the winner should gain a free weapon buy, that would help on the regain so you are not so penalize for going to the gulag.
3. Since the WZ2.0 played was an alpha release I assume that the visuals for buys and loot visibility will not be the way they show, so my hope is that it gets more smooth in the way that you don't get stuck in the bay station too long.
4. I saw that on the buy they had an option for 'Upgrade Weapon' not sure on how that will work but would be really nice if that is like a place for you to buy attachments for your guns, that would be great and would also allow you to have guns with more than 5 attachments.
5. Bots. Not needed other than at the strongholds. Nobody liked it so I assume and hope that this will be removed.
Agree with most of the things.
Imagine that upgrade weapon will allow you to buy just 1-2 attachments for existing gun ( 100% sure you can't go beyond 5 attachments ) this would allow to pickup green-purple gun from the ground and if you can't afford your loadout gun at least you can upgrade existing one to a decent level.
Wouldn't be a bad thing if loadouts would just drop around zone 5 so that it's still possible to win the game after regain. Or they would discount weapons after each circle.
I don't think a single thing on that first list has been confirmed or was seen yesterday.
@@ryancampbell5267 Yes, it was not in the alpha played at codnext, but the way they use that on Caldera it is almost sure that it was a test for WZ2.0. That is why I strong believe that it will be on the game.
@@FaeFernando You're assuming. 100%
The no loadout is sad, I felt like that’s what made warzone special and unique. It looks like they’re trying to make it more like other BRs which makes the game lose its uniqueness. Other wise this game look great!
They is just no loadout drops you still get your weapons from a buystation or some kinda box
@@kaleb5o5 so like no loadout drop box but like buy a pre made weapons, in a way that’s kinda better so people can’t see the loadout drop.
GREAT video JGod. I really appreciate your approach here. Doc said if the game doesnt do some things, it's gonna fail. From what I've seen, so far, he's right. The other thing that I'm seeing is that many of the current popular streamers made themselves after MW 2019, based on high kills and aggro gameplay. This game doesn't seem like it supports that mode. The cracked gameplay was slick movement, slide canceling, high kills based on getting loadouts easily and early is gone. I think many of them are going to be begging, absolutely begging for Caldera to come back haha!
Buddies and I who play every night after work watched the live gameplay. Each of us discussed and had the exact same concerns you hit Jgod. It was great to see your video on Saturday morning hitting the problems we all see. Not to mention now playing the MW2 beta, the menus on console are painfully confusing. Have to guess it will be similar on wz2. The looting mechanics, the buy station are too difficult. Adding a “must choose” makes this a pain, not friendly to your casual gamer community. Listen to the community. Map looks awesome, but some of the problems have us discussing alternatives before it’s even released.
Personally I think it looks amazing. Not invalidating anyone’s opinion but I much prefer the look and feel of this than caldera. It reminds me of base verdansk, Y1. Which I remember having a slower feel, more tactical. So up for a fresh start and a some welcome changes, I do think this will be a lot more competitive and fair. There’s a few questionable changes but I personally wanted a ‘new’ and updated game, not just a reskin caldera / VD and from what I see so far they’ve done that
The only thing that feels like verdansk is the map. Everything else is different
Agree with every point you made. Well said, JGOD. Thank you for speaking up!
Love the removal of loadout drops. Bringing warzone closer to a pure BR like a Blackout was
The thing that seems counterintuitive about the new “loadout” system is this: Gunsmith 2.0 has been explicitly designed to make leveling guns and acquiring attachments more streamlined. The devs stated it was so that people could start playing with their custom guns faster.
But on the flip side, you have them buffing floor loot and making the process of acquiring your custom guns super tedious. So you’re getting mixed messages.
Gunsmith 2.0: We made it streamlined because we want you to use your custom guns!
WZ2 itself: We made floor loot way more viable, so you can compete without having to get custom guns.
Gunsmith 2.0: Use custom guns!
WZ2: You don’t need custom guns.
That’s how they are able to monetize the game by getting the player to either buy MW2 or buy the weapon blueprints. It’s very frustrating I must say but they’re going to milk it as much as they can :/
@@15loulou1515 I love it. No meta load outs anymore. Iron sight m4 no stock with extended mag 24/7 won’t be a thing.
@@thatonepolarstarguy1012 or no more getting melted by Bruen, Kilo, ect 😂😂
@@thatonepolarstarguy1012 gunsmith 2 exempts that out though, every gun has a certain balance now, everything you use has a level up system.
Warzone is the only br that ground loot didn't matter and it showed in the player count. It made the looting stale. Just get 10k and your set.
In my opinion, I think they are going to annihilate the core player base and bring in a totally different type. For me I loved being able to get my loadout and hop right into gun fights. I would like to see how skins for guns work . Having to pay an excessive amount for a ranked gun of mine , makes me less interested. Makes me less interested in even trying to rank up guns. I’m less enticed to want to purchase camos/ skins from the store.Makes me less interested in camo grinding , and less interested in multiplayer. It feels like everything everyone loved about warzone was thrown right out the window. Everything that made warzone unique and work well for all player types , seems completely gone. The looting system is bad , it doesn’t seem very controller friendly. I don’t understand why they felt the need to change it . The fact they have bots seems unreal to me. Feels very fortnite like in that sense. The game seems super slow , the colors seem really dull. I don’t see myself playing warzone as much as I do now , especially if a lot of this stuff isn’t fixed. Seems very unfinished for being worked on for 2 years. I’ll give it a go, but for my play style I don’t foresee myself playing it long term.
Good. As a cod player since 2008, majority of the cod hardcore fanbase is extremely salty and dumb
The best part about all of this is these people complaining can just go play the same game they wanted a reskin of War Zone 1 anytime they want and War Zone 2 is still going to be free
who cares though? jesus. People are impossible these days. How about you play it first
play mp and go gunfights with your loadout bruhhh stop complain hahaha
@@JonnyUnderrated this
In short I think it’s fair to say we all wanted an updated Warzone 1 with new guns, locations, equipment and some mechanics like swimming. No need to reinvent the wheel with what has already been a huge success.
JGOD really is out here doing God's work on these informative, detail-oriented videos that should be watched by everyone even if you're a Warzone loyalist.
I like the new spectating camera and angle. I like the realism that it adds.