Salut from a pentecostal from são Paulo, brazil! Very Glad to "be" in this service and to know the Syriac East Rite. It makes me remember the messianic synagogue, it's couriously like to the sidur. The same root. huges to all brother all around the world!!!
Long Live Assyrian Church Of The East! Jesus Christ King Of Kings Has Blessed All Nations! Believe In The Prince Of Peace For HE Is God! In The Name Of The Father, The Son And The Holy Spirit! One God Amen!
A fact that many people don't realize is that the Church of the East's direct descendant is the Chaldean Catholic Church which is fully in communion with Rome. While the union that actually came in communion with Rome 500 years ago after the schism of 1552 later became the Assyrian Church of the East in the 18th or 19th century. The Indian fractions include the Chaldean Syrian Church which is an archdiocese of the Assyrian Church of the East, and the SyroMalabar Church which is fully in communion with Rome.
Dear Kuriakose Elias The truth is exactly the opposite of what you claim. All that you claim came as a result of the seal that was used to certify ecclesiastical documents. Clarifications on the Chaldean Patriarchate Seal The Chaldean Patriarchate seal was a brass instrument commonly used by the bishops of the Chaldean Catholic Church to certify church and diplomatic documents during the Ottoman Empire. The seal bears an inscription representing the following phrase in Eastern Syriac: Mahala Mar Shimon, Patriarch of Chaldean (i.e., the lowly Mar Shimon, Chaldean Patriarch). The seal is applied directly either to wax or ink and is then pressed into the document resulting in the reproduction of the above statement. In recent years, the Patriarchal Seal has become the subject of considerable controversy among some authors who claim that the seal is a clear indication that the name of the Chaldeans at the time bore national connotations in the bishops of the Church of the East (called the “Nestorian Church'') and the separate Catholic Church (called the Chaldean Catholic Church). This idea, however controversial, raises objections given the existence of contradictory historical narratives. Nineteenth-century novels In the book “Nestorians and their Rituals” (1852) by George Percy Badger, an orientalist and scholar who worked as a delegate to the Christians of the Church of the East. The author points out that “it is indeed true that the current Mar Shimon (i.e., Shimon XVII Orham, Patriarch of the Orient Church) in his official documents he is nicknamed 'the Patriarch of the Orient' and 'the Chaldean Patriarch'”. Nevertheless [Badger confirms], Mar Shimon and his predecessors used this last title to put themselves on a par with their fellow Patriarchs of the Plains after they joined the Church of Rome and took that name, and also as a ploy to reject the name 'Nestorian' which was then seen as a reprimanding nickname because of the slanders that Latin missionaries had attached to this label. In the book “Nineveh and its Remnants” (1850) by Austin Henry Layard, an English archaeologist best known for his remarkable excavations in Nineveh, the author notes that “the seal used by Mar Shimon carries the same title (i.e. the Chaldean Patriarch), It is the title that the Patriarch calls himself in all public documents. '' Layard explains that the distinction from naming the Nestorians has become important with the success of Rome and the Catholic chair to a great extent in their endeavors to establish the Chaldean naming of converts to Catholicism and that the designation of the Nestorians became “ a title of contempt and reprimand '' when talking about those who kept “their old faith”. Remarkably, Laird's counterpart, Hormozd Rassam, himself a Chaldean Catholic, noted that “there is another deep-rooted fact of Chaldean nationalism to show that they have the right to proclaim their Assyrian origins the same as any other group that boasts of ancient origins.'' Shimon, the Chaldean Patriarch Throughout its long history, many bishops of the Church of the East have taken the venerable name of Shimon, who honors St. Peter, as their patriarchal name. The earliest reference to this designation dates back to the fourth century AD, to Mar Shimon Barsabbai, bishop of Seleucia-Ctesiphon. No Catholic bishop had such a venerable name until the schism in 1552, when Mar Yohanan Solaka and his successors began to use it in an attempt to assert their legitimacy. It was in this context that the Catholic patriarchs of the Mar Sulaqa branch bore the Latin title of Simeonem Chaldaeorum Patriarcham (literally 'Shimon, Chaldean Patriarch') in their official documents. Notwithstanding these official designations, it should be noted that the Catholic Patriarchs of the Mar Solaka branch also bore the title Patriarchae Assyriorum in Latin (which literally means 'Patriarch of the Assyrians') and who heads the Latin Church of Ecclesia Orientalis Assyrie (i.e., the Church of Eastern Assyria). This may be evidence that the origin of the patriarchal seal dates back to the 1552 schism and was used to represent the newly formed community (Chaldeans) versus the Nestorian community. Catholic Protectorate in the Ottoman Empire In an agreement between the kings of France and the Ottoman sultans, the French government created a 'Catholic protectorate' during the 16th century, providing tremendous services to Catholic communities scattered throughout the Ottoman Empire, including converts from the Church of the East. The Roman Catholic Church was the largest official institution seeking to extend its influence in the region. Its existence served two purposes; first, the conversion of Nestorians to Catholicism in any way, including bribery and preferential treatment of Catholic adherents, as evidenced by the relatively poor treatment of local Nestorians and Jacobites; and secondly, Catholic missionaries sought to promote the interests of the French Empire in the region to counter growing British influence. In an unfriendly reaction to the Patriarch of the Church of the East, Mar Shimon XVI Orham, in an attempt to bribe him and promise to make him the head of all Christians of the East in exchange for his conversion to Catholicism, the Patriarch told the message holder: “Tell your master that I will never become a Catholic.” It is remarkable that it was Mar Shimon himself who used to call himself in his "official documents" the Patriarch of the Orient and the "Chaldean Patriarch". Naming 'Chaldeans' When the Latin missionaries succeeded in creating a schism among the Nestorians in Diyarbakir, they wanted to choose a name they would call converts to Catholicism. The new converts call themselves "Surayi" and "Nestoray". The Roman Church could not call them 'Syriac Catholics' because they used this name for the Jacobite converts who also called themselves 'Syriac'. The Roman Church could not have been nicknamed 'Catholic Nestorians' as did Justin Perkins, the American independent messenger, because that would have been a contradiction ... and the Chaldeans certainly belonged to the Assyrian family itself, and they were also called them. The Syriac designation, the same name, as we have seen, is still called by both Nestorians living in the mountains and Chaldean Catholics living in the plains, who speak general Syriac. But this is not the subject of disagreement; it is whether the term 'Chaldeans' has been used or is still being used by the Nestorians themselves or others. I have provided evidence that it is not used. They call themselves Surayiers, Nestorians, and sometimes Christianists and Mshekhayee, but they have never used the names of “Chaldeay or Chaldean. '' - George Percy Badger, Nestorians and their Rituals (London: Joseph Masters, 1852), 180. conclusion In light of the indisputable evidence, we can safely dare to say that politically charged statements indicating that the bishops of the Church of the East used the Chaldean Patriarchate seal to confirm their Chaldean national identity must be rejected. Moreover, Badger, having analyzed and documented the Eastern Syriac community in northern Mesopotamia in much detail, explains that this title was used as a "ploy to reject the name of Nestorians."
@@ameerbrikha3816 thanks for the history lesson. I learned a lot more now. No wonder they say the Schism of 1552 is very controversial. I'm a part of the SyroMalabar church. A church with a very strong identity crisis. We have the Qurbana of Mar Addai and Mar Mari, however we are very influenced by the Ordinary form of the Latin Mass. Making us a hybrid between East Syriac and Latin traditions. We're not fully Latin Catholic but neither are we fully a part of the Chruch of the East as well.
@@ameerbrikha3816 what's the current situation between the Chaldean Catholic Church and the Assyrian church of the East? Do people take communion at both churches? Are both churches welcoming towards each other? And is there any possibility of both the churches uniting?
@@jibinbabu3756 Then perhaps you should all go back to The Church of The East, since roman catholicism entered Kerala by force and the bloody history of the Portuguese and the Vatican in that region has a history which can not be forgiven. The Church of The East was the only one present in Kerala and Malabar before the other churches arrived and took parts of the faithful of The Church of The East in the name of Christianity but what they did was not of Christianity at all .
I would like to know more about the liturgy. I am Jewish, and some of our prayers are in Aramaic. The music is different, of course, but there is something similar in the way it sounds a little, and there is a similar kind of respect that they show in how they act on the altar. Especially the assistants. We do not really have a priest, but I like the homily here, where it is about how the Christians do have indeed a high priest. :-) I love the Christian religion, and the church of the East
Yes the veil is opened at Lakhu Maran in the liturgy of Mar Addai used in Malabar Church, India. Chaldean Churches open it even before when the liturgy starts.
@@thinchcommunications7151 Hey! Glad to hear that. The Eastern Churches are very much biblical in the sense that we have several order of priests, the sanctuary veil that remains closed all the time except during the liturgy and also the usage of incense throughout the liturgy to purify the Church. I would love to learn more about the usage of Aramaic in the current Jewish traditions. How do I connect with you?
@@syaban17 Cause the Chaldean rite since following the Vatican changed a lot of their Eastern rite even in the consecration of bread and wine, the Chaldean rite is further away from the true teaching of The Church of The East.
ohh please What a miserable comments???? . I am a servant in the Assyrian Church of the East and the faith of our Church is purely Orthodox Not a heresy ,Nestorius was not a heretic.
@@allpoints-tv no that’s not the reason , the church of the east doesn’t believe in Icons because the bible says that not because of Islam the Chaldean church have a lot of Icons for example , but the Church of the east doesn’t believe in Icons at all
M - Byzantium from the research I have discovered that the church was accused of the heresy but most scholars believe they never embraced the teachings of Nestor .
AllpointsTV That makes sense. It’s confusing because there are some that actually identify themselves as Nestorian within the ACOE while some out right reject it. It seems to be a mixed bunch.
Half of the church In the syro malabar faces east ..other still latinized so still they faces people instead if alter...now changes coming slowly..soon. we will change to "ad orientam"...
I'm curious about certain teachings of the Church of the East. Would you mind answering them? I'd really appreciate it! 1. What is the exact teaching of the Church of the East on the Eucharist? (Do you believe it to be the Body and Blood of Christ in a real sense or only symbolically? Literal or figurative?) 2. I notice that, apart from crosses, there aren't a lot of religious imagery in Churches of the East. Is there a general prohibition against images of Christ and the saints? 3. Do you venerate the saints? Do you ask them to pray to God on your behalf? Thank you.
I am not a member of the church but from my readings into it I believe they do hold that the Eucharist is the body and blood of Christ . I also have to say that your observation about the lack of religious imagery is very much on target. The church also doesn't have the body of Christ represented on the crosses of their church . They do venerate the saints but, from my observation, not with the intensity the Roman Catholics do. These two books; The Church of the East: Apostolic & Orthodox by y Mar Bawai Soro and MYSTERIES of the KINGDOM (The Sacraments of the Assyrian Church of the East) by by Bishop Mar Awa Royel are great because they are put out by representatives of the church . You may want to check them out at the library . Thanks for your questions ! I look forward to posting more videos from this church
Thank you very much. I've tried visiting some websites but they are often too elementary or in a language I have no means of understanding. And thank you for the book recommendations! I come from a background of devout, informed and intentional Roman Catholicism but am trying to comprehend and understand the teaching of other churches. Pardon me for assuming your membership in the Church of the East. Thanks for all the resources. Blessings.
No problem with the assumption of church membership, I am planning on becoming a member soon. The Assyrian Church of the East is a very good and solid ( theologically) church . I have grown to really love the liturgy and the emphasis they place on the bread and wine being the body and the blood of Christ. There are some Assyrian Church of the East parishes who post stuff on CZcams all the time . The particular location I attend is the oldest Assyrian Church of the East outside the old world. It was built here in Flint , Michigan close to a 100 years ago by immigrants and is still going . Here is one that you may find interesting czcams.com/video/pZrgRWMoOxQ/video.html
Peter R. L. Brown's book on Poverty is a very good book on Eastern Christian thought in Late Antiquity, and is relatively recent at about a decade old. There will be references about the "Nestorian" Church of the East there you can follow, I bet. Google it. PRL Brown on Poverty. Peter Brown's foundational work was on St. Augustne at All Souls' College in the 70s. I love Peter --- he always told students to "read the book, and tell us about it, as the spirit moves you."
BTW there is a whole publishing house for Syriac materials (not just Church of the East --- I think they do Church of the East...), in Piscataway, NJ. Hugoye? The name escapes me. Message me if you like.
It's an apostolic tradition the eastern churches have practiced from the 1st century. The fuss about it is mainly from Latin supremacists and currently radtrads
This is the mass that has no consecration in it, at all... the epiclesis does not mention the transformation of the gifts into the Blood and Body of Our Lord.
Tepeyolotl I forwarded your comment to Qasha Ameer Brikha and he sent me a link to a statement that back in January 17th of 2001 Pope John Paul II concluded that the Anaphora of Addai and Mari ( the Anaphora of the Assyrian Church of the East ) to be valid . This statement was made during the Congregation For the Doctrine of Faith of 2001 . If you care to give me an email address I can send you the document that was sent to me . I hope this information helps .
Tepeyoloti, you are wrong there is consecration to transform the bread and blood iand if you have not seen it, then it is your faukt. Also This Holy Church has the only anaphora which holds the Holy Qorbana (Communion) at the highest veneration and if you have not seen it in the video as the Bishop and deacons bow before the Chalice and Cup as they transfer them to the altar and the prayers which accompany them, then sorry you are simply blind to the truth.
The Whole Mass is about The Last Supper of our Lord Jesus Christ and by the way in the first and second Century there were no consecration words in any Mass, the idea of the consecration words came after second century. We have other Mass form there is consecration words but this one is very ancient, it's from the first century.
@@molondrone4575 are you catholic? Because if you are you cannot object to what the Pope defined as a valid sacrament. Unless you aren't then you are free to object
Hopefully this will clear up a few questions that people have raised in regards to the consecration of the gifts into the body and the blood : czcams.com/video/eJ94lDRKZF8/video.html
@Rincon Ovalle Luis Fernando If they’re heretics, why does Rome allow communion in Eucharist with the Assyrians? You might be a “Rome alone” heretic and cult member.
@@polpottribute9102 You make no sense. Your first comment insinuated Lutherans were the same as these Nestorian Assyrians. Then, you’re reversing that by saying Assyrian Church of the East is not Nestorian? Makes no sense.
@Rincon Ovalle Luis Fernando You speak of that which you do not understand. Lutheranism condemns Nestorianism (along with the historic church). Please do better research before you make statements like this.
I’ll pass that on to the priest ( the married priest ) then . I’ll bet he will be surprised . I’ve been to Roman Catholic Churches on several occasions and I don’t see the that they have the same liturgy myself .
Dear Makaveli, you are right, we are Catholic but not Catholic that you think. The church from the beginning was Catholic because was universal Church, unfortunately Rome Church took this name for itself only in order to express itself as the only Church and not another it is considered a church. We are the Church of East established in the First Century by Jesus Apostle, the Church who kept the Apostles Tradition until now, because what you see it in this Holy Qurbana (Mass), it's came from them. May our Lord bless you
Love from jacobite syrian orthodox church from india ( under the holy apostolic of syrian patriarchate of Antioch )
Respect from your brother of Syro Malabar Catholic Church 🙏🏽
Love from Syro Malabar church India..
Salut from a pentecostal from são Paulo, brazil! Very Glad to "be" in this service and to know the Syriac East Rite. It makes me remember the messianic synagogue, it's couriously like to the sidur. The same root. huges to all brother all around the world!!!
Check out the Oriental Orthodox Church too!
Hello my brothers , acknowledgement from a catholic . Hoping we are all one again one day .
Thank You Father GOD AMEN
يارب باركنا واحفظنا وانحنا تاج الصحه والعافيه وشافينا ويعافينا وراحه البال والطمأنينه والهدوء السلام امين فامين
Long Live Assyrian Church Of The East! Jesus Christ King Of Kings Has Blessed All Nations! Believe In The Prince Of Peace For HE Is God! In The Name Of The Father, The Son And The Holy Spirit! One God Amen!
يارب شافينا ويعافينا وبالاخص نظملي العاده الشهريه وخفف من اوجاعا على ولاتحملني يالهي فوق طاقتي
Respect from your separated brother from the Coptic Church
We are one brother
Anthony Yousif Indeed. God bless you, friend
Love and respect from Syriac orthadox church
@@TheCopticParabolanos no. These are nestorians condemned by the council of Ephesus.
Dark Lord I am aware of our ecclesiastical/theological differences, yes
Thanks for posting this well regarded video...be blessed Allpoints TV.
Maggie Joseph kr00kr0kr0
Dy
I LOVE FATHER GOD AMEN
A fact that many people don't realize is that the Church of the East's direct descendant is the Chaldean Catholic Church which is fully in communion with Rome. While the union that actually came in communion with Rome 500 years ago after the schism of 1552 later became the Assyrian Church of the East in the 18th or 19th century.
The Indian fractions include the Chaldean Syrian Church which is an archdiocese of the Assyrian Church of the East, and the SyroMalabar Church which is fully in communion with Rome.
Dear Kuriakose Elias
The truth is exactly the opposite of what you claim. All that you claim came as a result of the seal that was used to certify ecclesiastical documents.
Clarifications on the Chaldean Patriarchate Seal
The Chaldean Patriarchate seal was a brass instrument commonly used by the bishops of the Chaldean Catholic Church to certify church and diplomatic documents during the Ottoman Empire. The seal bears an inscription representing the following phrase in Eastern Syriac: Mahala Mar Shimon, Patriarch of Chaldean (i.e., the lowly Mar Shimon, Chaldean Patriarch). The seal is applied directly either to wax or ink and is then pressed into the document resulting in the reproduction of the above statement.
In recent years, the Patriarchal Seal has become the subject of considerable controversy among some authors who claim that the seal is a clear indication that the name of the Chaldeans at the time bore national connotations in the bishops of the Church of the East (called the “Nestorian Church'') and the separate Catholic Church (called the Chaldean Catholic Church). This idea, however controversial, raises objections given the existence of contradictory historical narratives.
Nineteenth-century novels
In the book “Nestorians and their Rituals” (1852) by George Percy Badger, an orientalist and scholar who worked as a delegate to the Christians of the Church of the East. The author points out that “it is indeed true that the current Mar Shimon (i.e., Shimon XVII Orham, Patriarch of the Orient Church) in his official documents he is nicknamed 'the Patriarch of the Orient' and 'the Chaldean Patriarch'”. Nevertheless [Badger confirms], Mar Shimon and his predecessors used this last title to put themselves on a par with their fellow Patriarchs of the Plains after they joined the Church of Rome and took that name, and also as a ploy to reject the name 'Nestorian' which was then seen as a reprimanding nickname because of the slanders that Latin missionaries had attached to this label. In the book “Nineveh and its Remnants” (1850) by Austin Henry Layard, an English archaeologist best known for his remarkable excavations in Nineveh, the author notes that “the seal used by Mar Shimon carries the same title (i.e. the Chaldean Patriarch), It is the title that the Patriarch calls himself in all public documents. '' Layard explains that the distinction from naming the Nestorians has become important with the success of Rome and the Catholic chair to a great extent in their endeavors to establish the Chaldean naming of converts to Catholicism and that the designation of the Nestorians became “ a title of contempt and reprimand '' when talking about those who kept “their old faith”. Remarkably, Laird's counterpart, Hormozd Rassam, himself a Chaldean Catholic, noted that “there is another deep-rooted fact of Chaldean nationalism to show that they have the right to proclaim their Assyrian origins the same as any other group that boasts of ancient origins.''
Shimon, the Chaldean Patriarch
Throughout its long history, many bishops of the Church of the East have taken the venerable name of Shimon, who honors St. Peter, as their patriarchal name. The earliest reference to this designation dates back to the fourth century AD, to Mar Shimon Barsabbai, bishop of Seleucia-Ctesiphon. No Catholic bishop had such a venerable name until the schism in 1552, when Mar Yohanan Solaka and his successors began to use it in an attempt to assert their legitimacy. It was in this context that the Catholic patriarchs of the Mar Sulaqa branch bore the Latin title of Simeonem Chaldaeorum Patriarcham (literally 'Shimon, Chaldean Patriarch') in their official documents. Notwithstanding these official designations, it should be noted that the Catholic Patriarchs of the Mar Solaka branch also bore the title Patriarchae Assyriorum in Latin (which literally means 'Patriarch of the Assyrians') and who heads the Latin Church of Ecclesia Orientalis Assyrie (i.e., the Church of Eastern Assyria). This may be evidence that the origin of the patriarchal seal dates back to the 1552 schism and was used to represent the newly formed community (Chaldeans) versus the Nestorian community.
Catholic Protectorate in the Ottoman Empire
In an agreement between the kings of France and the Ottoman sultans, the French government created a 'Catholic protectorate' during the 16th century, providing tremendous services to Catholic communities scattered throughout the Ottoman Empire, including converts from the Church of the East. The Roman Catholic Church was the largest official institution seeking to extend its influence in the region. Its existence served two purposes; first, the conversion of Nestorians to Catholicism in any way, including bribery and preferential treatment of Catholic adherents, as evidenced by the relatively poor treatment of local Nestorians and Jacobites; and secondly, Catholic missionaries sought to promote the interests of the French Empire in the region to counter growing British influence. In an unfriendly reaction to the Patriarch of the Church of the East, Mar Shimon XVI Orham, in an attempt to bribe him and promise to make him the head of all Christians of the East in exchange for his conversion to Catholicism, the Patriarch told the message holder: “Tell your master that I will never become a Catholic.” It is remarkable that it was Mar Shimon himself who used to call himself in his "official documents" the Patriarch of the Orient and the "Chaldean Patriarch".
Naming 'Chaldeans'
When the Latin missionaries succeeded in creating a schism among the Nestorians in Diyarbakir, they wanted to choose a name they would call converts to Catholicism. The new converts call themselves "Surayi" and "Nestoray". The Roman Church could not call them 'Syriac Catholics' because they used this name for the Jacobite converts who also called themselves 'Syriac'. The Roman Church could not have been nicknamed 'Catholic Nestorians' as did Justin Perkins, the American independent messenger, because that would have been a contradiction ... and the Chaldeans certainly belonged to the Assyrian family itself, and they were also called them. The Syriac designation, the same name, as we have seen, is still called by both Nestorians living in the mountains and Chaldean Catholics living in the plains, who speak general Syriac. But this is not the subject of disagreement; it is whether the term 'Chaldeans' has been used or is still being used by the Nestorians themselves or others. I have provided evidence that it is not used. They call themselves Surayiers, Nestorians, and sometimes Christianists and Mshekhayee, but they have never used the names of “Chaldeay or Chaldean. '' - George Percy Badger, Nestorians and their Rituals (London: Joseph Masters, 1852), 180.
conclusion
In light of the indisputable evidence, we can safely dare to say that politically charged statements indicating that the bishops of the Church of the East used the Chaldean Patriarchate seal to confirm their Chaldean national identity must be rejected. Moreover, Badger, having analyzed and documented the Eastern Syriac community in northern Mesopotamia in much detail, explains that this title was used as a "ploy to reject the name of Nestorians."
@@ameerbrikha3816 thanks for the history lesson. I learned a lot more now. No wonder they say the Schism of 1552 is very controversial.
I'm a part of the SyroMalabar church. A church with a very strong identity crisis. We have the Qurbana of Mar Addai and Mar Mari, however we are very influenced by the Ordinary form of the Latin Mass. Making us a hybrid between East Syriac and Latin traditions. We're not fully Latin Catholic but neither are we fully a part of the Chruch of the East as well.
@@ameerbrikha3816 what's the current situation between the Chaldean Catholic Church and the Assyrian church of the East? Do people take communion at both churches? Are both churches welcoming towards each other? And is there any possibility of both the churches uniting?
@A. Meowzki in 410 AD
@@jibinbabu3756 Then perhaps you should all go back to The Church of The East, since roman catholicism entered Kerala by force and the bloody history of the Portuguese and the Vatican in that region has a history which can not be forgiven. The Church of The East was the only one present in Kerala and Malabar before the other churches arrived and took parts of the faithful of The Church of The East in the name of Christianity but what they did was not of Christianity at all .
Beautiful
امين وصادق هو رب المجد يسوع المسيح المخلص الشافي الماحي خطايانا وامراضنا امين وصادق 🙏🕊️🕯️✝️✝️✝️✝️
Mass is Same like Syro Malabar church at India..
Can you do a tour of the entire church? I’d love to see the dining room, offices and other areas if they exist.
Beautiful. Isn't the veil opened after the resurrection hymn(Lakhu maran) in the Chaldean/Assyrian tradition?
I would like to know more about the liturgy. I am Jewish, and some of our prayers are in Aramaic. The music is different, of course, but there is something similar in the way it sounds a little, and there is a similar kind of respect that they show in how they act on the altar. Especially the assistants. We do not really have a priest, but I like the homily here, where it is about how the Christians do have indeed a high priest. :-) I love the Christian religion, and the church of the East
Yes the veil is opened at Lakhu Maran in the liturgy of Mar Addai used in Malabar Church, India. Chaldean Churches open it even before when the liturgy starts.
@@thinchcommunications7151 Hey! Glad to hear that. The Eastern Churches are very much biblical in the sense that we have several order of priests, the sanctuary veil that remains closed all the time except during the liturgy and also the usage of incense throughout the liturgy to purify the Church. I would love to learn more about the usage of Aramaic in the current Jewish traditions. How do I connect with you?
@@thinchcommunications7151 Great to hear that. You can refer to books on Syriac fathers and liturgy by Prof Sebastian Brock to start with.
@@syaban17 Cause the Chaldean rite since following the Vatican changed a lot of their Eastern rite even in the consecration of bread and wine, the Chaldean rite is further away from the true teaching of The Church of The East.
✝️🙏✝️🙏✝️🙏✝️🙏
I want to go deeper+
ohh please What a miserable comments???? .
I am a servant in the Assyrian Church of the East and the faith of our Church is purely Orthodox Not a heresy ,Nestorius was not a heretic.
Аминь. Господь🙏🙏🙏❤
Why Assyrian Churches don't have icons and don't venerate icons of saints like Eastern Orthodox church in general?
They didn’t have icons because, from my understanding, they wanted to avoid offending the Islamic prohibition of the human form depicted in art works
@@allpoints-tv no that’s not the reason , the church of the east doesn’t believe in Icons because the bible says that not because of Islam the Chaldean church have a lot of Icons for example , but the Church of the east doesn’t believe in Icons at all
يارب باركنا باسوق العربيه هنا بسودرتاليا السويد ومعها كل مدن ومحافظات وبلديات وحكومه وبرلمان السويد والبرلمان الأوربي والمجلس الأوربي والاتحاد الأوربي والإمام المتحده ومنظماتها الدوليه والجمعه العربيه بمصر ومنظمه التعاون الخليجي العربيه ومنظمه التعاون الأسلامي ومجلس الكناس الكاثوليكيه والمشرقيه الاثوريه والكرسي الانطاكي وسار المشرق العربي والفاتيكان وساحه القديس بطرس
Is this what people outside this faith call “The Nestorian Church”
Francisco Vasquez Yes , it is called “ Nestorian “ by many but it’s an inaccurate label .
AllpointsTV Doesn’t the ACOE accept Nestorianism?
M - Byzantium from the research I have discovered that the church was accused of the heresy but most scholars believe they never embraced the teachings of Nestor .
AllpointsTV That makes sense. It’s confusing because there are some that actually identify themselves as Nestorian within the ACOE while some out right reject it. It seems to be a mixed bunch.
@@StoleBearer
They probably just took the name that other people gave them, the same way the LDS decided to start calling themselves "Mormons."
Literally no words of institution
Similar as Syro Malabar church in kerala...East syriac
Malankara orthodox church is closer ..Syro malabar is more Catholic but ya it has its syriac roots
@@tivchack Mosc is different , follows west Syrian ...this is east Syrian...in kerala syro malabar and chaldean church follows..
Half of the church In the syro malabar faces east ..other still latinized so still they faces people instead if alter...now changes coming slowly..soon. we will change to "ad orientam"...
@@tivchack
malankara also changed its root from eastern to western syriac
@@tivchack These prayers can see only in Syro Malabar.. Not in Orthodox Church.. Aunth veshmeya, lakumara etc.. only in Syro Malabar church..
I'm curious about certain teachings of the Church of the East. Would you mind answering them? I'd really appreciate it!
1. What is the exact teaching of the Church of the East on the Eucharist? (Do you believe it to be the Body and Blood of Christ in a real sense or only symbolically? Literal or figurative?)
2. I notice that, apart from crosses, there aren't a lot of religious imagery in Churches of the East. Is there a general prohibition against images of Christ and the saints?
3. Do you venerate the saints? Do you ask them to pray to God on your behalf?
Thank you.
I am not a member of the church but from my readings into it I believe they do hold that the Eucharist is the body and blood of Christ . I also have to say that your observation about the lack of religious imagery is very much on target. The church also doesn't have the body of Christ represented on the crosses of their church . They do venerate the saints but, from my observation, not with the intensity the Roman Catholics do. These two books; The Church of the East: Apostolic & Orthodox by y Mar Bawai Soro and MYSTERIES of the KINGDOM (The Sacraments of the Assyrian Church of the East) by by Bishop Mar Awa Royel are great because they are put out by representatives of the church . You may want to check them out at the library . Thanks for your questions ! I look forward to posting more videos from this church
Thank you very much. I've tried visiting some websites but they are often too elementary or in a language I have no means of understanding.
And thank you for the book recommendations!
I come from a background of devout, informed and intentional Roman Catholicism but am trying to comprehend and understand the teaching of other churches.
Pardon me for assuming your membership in the Church of the East. Thanks for all the resources. Blessings.
No problem with the assumption of church membership, I am planning on becoming a member soon. The Assyrian Church of the East is a very good and solid ( theologically) church . I have grown to really love the liturgy and the emphasis they place on the bread and wine being the body and the blood of Christ. There are some Assyrian Church of the East parishes who post stuff on CZcams all the time . The particular location I attend is the oldest Assyrian Church of the East outside the old world. It was built here in Flint , Michigan close to a 100 years ago by immigrants and is still going . Here is one that you may find interesting czcams.com/video/pZrgRWMoOxQ/video.html
Peter R. L. Brown's book on Poverty is a very good book on Eastern Christian thought in Late Antiquity, and is relatively recent at about a decade old. There will be references about the "Nestorian" Church of the East there you can follow, I bet. Google it. PRL Brown on Poverty. Peter Brown's foundational work was on St. Augustne at All Souls' College in the 70s. I love Peter --- he always told students to "read the book, and tell us about it, as the spirit moves you."
BTW there is a whole publishing house for Syriac materials (not just Church of the East --- I think they do Church of the East...), in Piscataway, NJ. Hugoye? The name escapes me. Message me if you like.
I am surprised about the communion on the hand.
It's an apostolic tradition the eastern churches have practiced from the 1st century.
The fuss about it is mainly from Latin supremacists and currently radtrads
This is the mass that has no consecration in it, at all... the epiclesis does not mention the transformation of the gifts into the Blood and Body of Our Lord.
Tepeyolotl I forwarded your comment to Qasha Ameer Brikha and he sent me a link to a statement that back in January 17th of 2001 Pope John Paul II concluded that the Anaphora of Addai and Mari ( the Anaphora of the Assyrian Church of the East ) to be valid . This statement was made during the Congregation For the Doctrine of Faith of 2001 . If you care to give me an email address I can send you the document that was sent to me . I hope this information helps .
Tepeyoloti, you are wrong there is consecration to transform the bread and blood iand if you have not seen it, then it is your faukt. Also This Holy Church has the only anaphora which holds the Holy Qorbana (Communion) at the highest veneration and if you have not seen it in the video as the Bishop and deacons bow before the Chalice and Cup as they transfer them to the altar and the prayers which accompany them, then sorry you are simply blind to the truth.
Here is response to the concern you raised a few months back : czcams.com/video/eJ94lDRKZF8/video.html
The Whole Mass is about The Last Supper of our Lord Jesus Christ and by the way in the first and second Century there were no consecration words in any Mass, the idea of the consecration words came after second century. We have other Mass form there is consecration words but this one is very ancient, it's from the first century.
@@molondrone4575 are you catholic? Because if you are you cannot object to what the Pope defined as a valid sacrament. Unless you aren't then you are free to object
Hopefully this will clear up a few questions that people have raised in regards to the consecration of the gifts into the body and the blood : czcams.com/video/eJ94lDRKZF8/video.html
So much is similar to conservative Lutheran.
no
@Rincon Ovalle Luis Fernando
If they’re heretics, why does Rome allow communion in Eucharist with the Assyrians? You might be a “Rome alone” heretic and cult member.
@@zarnoffa Assyrian is different Nestorian is different.
@@polpottribute9102
You make no sense. Your first comment insinuated Lutherans were the same as these Nestorian Assyrians. Then, you’re reversing that by saying Assyrian Church of the East is not Nestorian? Makes no sense.
@Rincon Ovalle Luis Fernando You speak of that which you do not understand. Lutheranism condemns Nestorianism (along with the historic church). Please do better research before you make statements like this.
This is Catholic, not Church of the East
I’ll pass that on to the priest ( the married priest ) then . I’ll bet he will be surprised . I’ve been to Roman Catholic Churches on several occasions and I don’t see the that they have the same liturgy myself .
Dear Makaveli, you are right, we are Catholic but not Catholic that you think. The church from the beginning was Catholic because was universal Church, unfortunately Rome Church took this name for itself only in order to express itself as the only Church and not another it is considered a church. We are the Church of East established in the First Century by Jesus Apostle, the Church who kept the Apostles Tradition until now, because what you see it in this Holy Qurbana (Mass), it's came from them.
May our Lord bless you
@@ameerbrikha3816 are you chaldean Catholic?
@@ameerbrikha3816 Why Assyrian Churches don't have icons and don't venerate icons of saints like Eastern Orthodox church in general?
How do you know?
Thanks for posting this well regarded video...be blessed Allpoints TV.