Why Is Music Industry Talk OFF LIMITS?
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- čas přidán 13. 06. 2024
- A lot of people in the music industry think that nobody should be talking about the music industry in public... But why?
00:00 Intro / What I'm Doing Is Not Cool
02:19 The Veil of the Music Industry
03:12 What Happens On Tour Stays On Tour
05:07 Non-Disclosure Agreements
06:31 Nobody Is Going To Hire You
07:54 Other Industries Are Transparent
08:56 Outro / What Do YOU Want?
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When people start telling you to stop being so honest and transparent it means you are doing something right.. 👍👍👍
Well sayed
Damn straight, the truth hurts
Exactly this
@@poiziegaming5262 why not both?
@@poiziegaming5262 AND not or..
The only people who would be mad that you're sharing music industry info are those who rely on folks' ignorance for a financial edge, and those who are gaslit by them. You're doing a great thing by leveling the playing field and making it harder to exploit workers.
As a band trying to break into the greater music industry, your disclosure of this information is invaluable. Please continue to provide this service. It is much appreciated. Thank you.
"Nobody is going to hire you"
... so how's the Electric Callboy tour going? haha, keep kicking ass, Tank.
Not to mention the Powerwolf Tour as well!
That is probably the funniest thing someone could say, like everyone else on the tour is watching his CZcams videos in shock and awe because of all the dirty laundry he’s exposing. I guarantee most of them don’t even know he has a CZcams channel, and the ones that do probably have never even watched it. People that are actually busy working don’t care about shit like this.
@@mutedmutiny9542 So those of us who do watch Tank don't work?
@@northof4912 no, that's not what they meant - they meant that they don't care about stirring up (unnecessary) shit or in treating the shit being stirred like it's got any merit to it. It's a compliment!
@@dawnieb.7394 Not sure why you are using the plural, I was addressing one comment from one commenter.
Transparency is the best disinfectant
This is what I love with your channel, transperancy is important no matter what industry we talk about.
As a non musician I have learned a lot and got a better understanding about tour life.
A real professional isn`t afraid to talk about hes/her work.
a real pro knows howmuch to tell to paint the picture without giving away tracebel info
@@rubenjanssen1672 Exactly.
Good point. Tribal knowledge is for the insecure.
"What goes on tour, stays on tour" yet bands like Motley Crue write books about it?
Enjoyed the video Tank. 🔥
Lol as someone who read “The Heroin Diaries” at a young age, you could not be more accurate my guy
I get what you’re saying, but the artists themselves can be selective about what details they want to share. A 3rd party, not so much.
When there is money to be made........anything goes! Even if you have to embellish like crazy!
@@Weewoo12 why couldn’t a 3rd party also be selective about what they share?
@@Weewoo12 Unless they made you sign an NDA, they can fuck off. A 3rd party can share whatever they feel like sharing.
I've been a lifelong metalhead but I'll be the first to admit it never really occurred to me that I SHOULD need to support the bands I love in ways besides streaming songs or buying them occasionally from an app store. You were right when you said that the music industry had a lot of mystification around it and I always thought that these bands didn't really need any help other than that.
I've been watching from near the beginning and since being exposed to your channel I've started to going to concerts every couple months and buying merch or pre-ordering CDs directly from the bands to help with their pre-sales even though I don't even own a CD player. Talking openly about the industry and how it works made a huge difference in my perspective and approach to bands and even though I don't tune into every video anymore like I did back during Covid, it's been a genuinely educating journey to watch your channel.
Thank you Tank for always being real 🤘
its the kind of "don't talk about your salary" stuff that keeps certain peoples wages low. seeing honesty as unprofessional speaks volumes about how "professional culture" actually is.
Hide all of the bad and only promote the good is what they mean. That's exactly how toxic people and situations thrive in any industry is because there is not enough people brave enough to call it out. Yes I'm being a bit dramatic but hiding behind "the culture" has just become an excuse to bury and excuse bad behavior. It's like saying comedians can only joke about certain groups of people and certain cultures. It's ridiculous.
Well put...
You're not being dramatic at all; you're spot on. That's exactly how the Harvey Weinsteins of the world are able to do what they do; they hide behind the culture and if no one calls it out, the culture persists.
My thoughts are about Marco from Nightwish. He dropped out of the band because he could not stand the music industry anymore. So honest and transparent talks are necessary to stop other artists from abandoning their passion
From someone who has worked in the music industry I can’t see anything wrong with what you are doing. I personally would like to see more on the tech side of things.
Don't comment often but just wanted to say I've watched your content off and on for the past 3 years, and I have never seen you "air any dirty laundry" or disparage any of the people you have worked with. You provide both educational and entertaining content and do so with a high degree of professionalism and respect for the music and the people that work in the industry.
And TBH, from my experience, there are a number of people, personalities in the music industry who are their own worst enemy who either want to hold on to the past or be a part of that past of the "glory days." The mystique around the music industry has been going the way of the dinosaur since the late 90's and early 2000's with the advent of the internet, streaming, and social media.
In my mind, as a general rule, if you're ever told you shouldn't talk about something, that's the exact reason why it should be talked about more. Keep it up, man!
I'm a touring lighting technician (lighting roadie). I love everything you do tank. We live in a field that not a lot of people know about. Giving people a glimpse inside what we do is cool and people dont normally get to see.
As a promoter, underground musician, underground audio engineer, and stage hand, I love that you take the time to inform people about how things work. So many people get into different aspects of music without understanding the work that goes on to make it happen, and understanding that helps us make better moves as people who want to pursue careers in this field.
Thank you Tank for doing what you do.
What is an underground musician?
@216trixie one who primarily plays and performs in shows that focus on local talent (including each cities own scenes, each state/provinces collaberatives scenes, or in some cases National efforts are put on like the Wacken battles in each country that start at the city level and then continue on to a National final for selection for the main festival.
Each City generally has its own Underground Music Scene. It's really just called underground because it is primarily put together by members of said sceen whether it be musicians promoters engineers excetera. All of which more than likely have day jobs and put these events on out-of-pocket and with their own resources and collaborative efforts of those around them to provide opportunities for bands in the community to perform and grow and possibly eventually maybe break out of the underground and into a more "mainstream" audience, whether that's getting signed to a major label or getting larger shows as a opening or supporting Act and moving out of the independent scene and more into the scenes that Tank himself works in.
@216trixie in metal history you often hear people refer to the Bay Area thrash scene of the 80s or the Florida death metal scene the early 90s, both were technically underground scenes, but they got so huge that eyeballs were put on them and the major acts that those fanbases enjoyed leading to a lot of the Bands we saw in the first wave of thrash as well as the start of the death metal wave in the early 90s. Another example would be the Ohio scene in the mid-2000s. The Massachusetts scene in the late nineties is also good example as that's where Killswitch Engage came from after their bands fell apart and those members decided to make their own project.
TLDR: the underground scene is where all of these musicians generally cut their teeth and get their experience before possibly moving into more mainstream music scenes
@@NHFTL That was super informative to read, and really puts the importance of underground scenes into perspective. Thanks dude!
@@Khabra47 no problem! I'm glad that you took something away from that
If something is going to be damage by being transparent and honest... Then they deserve to get trashed. They deserve to be damages. We've seen some of the ABUSE and toxicity that can come from the Music Industry... Being Transparent. and Honest. IS GOOD. Silence only helps the abusers.
We're a new band, having fun, making and releasing music and as i'm delving deeper there is a secrecy around the music industry. I find your channel insightful, filled with invaluable information that I just dont get on most music YT channels. Thank you for being honest and thank you for taking the time to do what you do mate 💚🤘
I completely agree. Everyone trying to prevent you from making these videos this person fears about their money, so there is something wrong. Keep it on, honesty is the best you can do. How you do it is perfect, just what's going on, no dirty laundry or bad blood, you give fans what a lot of them want.
You’ve demonstrated a keen sense of providing information versus providing gossip. Of course executives and those who fear them are going to be pissed you lifted that curtain. The rest of us like knowing how we can best support the music we love.
On the one hand I understand protecting trade secrets. On the other had, if everything is trade secret there is something fishing going on. Love the transparency on this channel.
Also I feel like artist often sleep on behind the scenes content or even recording from their tours. Reality of the matter is no matter how you record it, the experience will never be the same as live, but all of that content helps people to connect. It will literally sell the next tour or album they make.
If people are telling you not to talk about it, it's probably because there is something going on that shouldn't be. Keep doing what you're doing Tank. You're great.
I love your honesty and hearing your takes on music, tech, etc.. never thought you were being disrespectful in any way, just very transparent (in a good way)
I have a few friends in mid level to very large touring acts. Even the artists themselves (or at least the ones I know) are very frustrated by all of this too. They feel like if THEY say it, the press will frame them as whining about their jobs.
Nah dude, fuck that veil nonsense. I appreciate hearing about bands and tours big time. It's a lot of fun to listen to and I'm happy that you're here to speak about everything. I'm 100% with you on not wanting to air dirty laundry, though. That type of thing could be seen as betrayal and I'm not about that sort of thing.
I'll continue to enjoy your posts as long as you're making them. :)
I´ve been working in this business for many years, not as a Roadie but as a Stagehand and i find your videos very good. Your song analysis are great and also is your background knowledge. People always only see the shine and glamour of concerts and not the hard work and the crap that happens behind the curtains. Noone will ever hire you again ? That´s crap ! Here in Germany
they sometimes look under every bridge to find the last idiot who is willing to work under such conditions and that money as we often do. As i lived 1 hour away from the Arena where i worked most time, my working time for 1 Concert often started at 6am on one day when i left home and ended at 4am next day when i came back.
Dude, I started following you 2-ish years ago BECAUSE of your background. You weren't just some guy reacting, and you weren't ANOTHER vocal analyzer/reactor.
You know gear, you provide pop-up facts to aid or enforce what you are saying, and most of all, you have your unique history in the business.
I have had friends trying to cut it as a band, I have been aware of what other bands deal with or go through, and I have talked to members of bands or those who handle them (I have done artwork professionally for a couple of bands) so I was aware of some of how it all works, but the info you have provided is what I've learn the most from.
It's what makes your channel fun (and apparently we have similar tastes in music), even my mom enjoys your channel and content, the insight, and she waits for the headbang ("how did he do that without hurting himself?!")
Anyway, keep up the good channel!
Hope to catch you at the EC show in AZ!
Thank you, dude! And yeah, I’ll be in Arizona do maybe I’ll see ya there!
I think you should absolutely continue to talk about the industry.
I would wager most that would want you to stop are people who either make much money from others lack of knowledge or have terrible behaviour that they don't want exposed.
I can definitely understand the concept of not talking about a lot of this stuff, especially in fear of being blackballed, but that very fact means it's definitely stuff we SHOULD be talking about.
I, for one, appreciate the transparency no matter what the content is. I hope that you continue to drop knowledge on this channel. Kudos!
For what its worth, I now pre-order far more CDs than I used to. Part of it is the incredible openness of great bands who release music prior to the album drop in streaming locations. The other half of that is advice I got watching your channel. Better informed people can trash talk, sure. But better informed people coming from a place of respect, support, or even love, can make the contributions that they can make matter more.
So now I pre-order from my favorite bands direct website, because I'm already looking forward to the next unwritten album.
Me too. I buy the vinyl. It sounds better and I figured the have a limited amount pressed so buying one would help support the band.
If they want to keep stuff a secret they are either doing something illegal or are legally ripping people (companies, personell, fans) off.
I have never heard you say something negative while naming names. In fact, I have found new music, started pre-ordering and gone to concerts bc of this and other channels. They should be thanking you for the promotion! Keep doing what you are doing!
I guarantee you the people that are saying “you shouldn’t be talking about this” are just keyboard jockeys who don’t even work on the road. The only things bands want to keep a secret is drug use, sexual partners, and them being different in real life than how they present themselves to an audience. That’s it, and they don’t care about that stuff enough to be making comments on these videos. The comments are coming from clueless kids who have no idea what they’re talking about.
NDAs are, like a lot of contracts, not always binding. There are cases where some stipulations might not be legally right and therefore can be ignored but that depends on the contract and what lawyers make out of it in the worst case scenario. I'm not a lawyer myself but had cases where a contract stated I'm not allowed to do certain things but the wording in it wasn't clear so that particular point did not count. the rest on the other hand was still in tact and after an incident regarding that point they changed the whole contract and you had to resign it again.
Although that all might differ from country to country.
A general point is that illegal stuff is pretty much never covered by NDAs, that's a big one.
I keep coming back to your channel because you tell it like it is, with integrity. You're not a negative person by nature. Keep doing what you are doing.
There will always be people who think that any information that is not broadcast/shared is a trade secret no matter how silly that is in a given context.
In the context of that live nation owns and operates almost everything we should definitly make the music industry more transparent.
If people are ashamed of what's happening on tour or in the business in general, then there may be another problem 😂
Hey, as a musician I have found the dialogue your channel has brought to be very helpful. Thank you.
I think you absolutely should talk about it, for too long the music industry has gotten away with doing basically whatever it wants because people don't discuss what actually goes on. Nothing but massive respect for you discussing it and being willing to take that risk even if you've not had any issues yet! It helps everyone to have this stuff clear and out there unless you're trying to get away with something dodgy.
Strange. The initial impression I get when they are so secretive is that there must be something fishy going on there. Tax evation is the first thing that comes to mind.
Cheers / B.
Edit: And to squeeze out more money than they should from some parties in the business.
More like the people in that industry don't want a possibility of ruining reputations from sex things to drug use. If someone is outed for tax evasion it's not really career ending and people don't really care. The other stuff though... That's juicy gossip and that is character ruining
That's not very accurate at all. Ain't much tax evasion going on because _everything is an expense_.
It's mostly infidelity and the fact that a lot of people have crippling substance abuse issues.
Bands just make way less money. . . and there are a lot of unnecessary middleman types winding up on the artist's payroll and it ends up with artists making about 12.5%album sales (after any advances from labels are paid back) and losing their merch rights
Squeezing as much money out is something that’s always going on in every type of business, that isn’t necessarily bad or unique to music, unless they are actually doing something illegal but, people are always thinking of how can we make more, how can we spend less, etc. That’s just the nature of business. Tax evasion ? Not likely. If a band is doing that it’s happening at a very high level (their accountant or business managers) and a tech or even their road crew isn’t going to know about it or be involved, like there isn’t going to be signs of it happening that a tech would ever see or know about. They’re really far from where that would be happening.
It is a sad and long standing tradition in some industries that you should never discuss your pay with co-workers. Even my grandfather told me that. I had a couple of jobs where that was grounds for termination. Sad really as that only benefits the company if anyone at all.
If people don't support you doing what you do, it says more about them, then you. I think you have handled everything you do on here with grace and tact relatively. I have seen you go out of your way to make most things you talk about seem balanced. You keep doing you for as long as you can and we will keep watching.
Watching your videos and many Twitch streams - you've always been very respectful with private information and avoiding dropping names or naming the band/tour if you talk about something. And I respect you for doing that. But well, there will always be people that complain about whatever...
And when it comes to stuff that has to do with money - like your videos about what a roadie earns, how merch stuff works and what the bus situation is. I think that's just like many other industries as well - people don't want you to talk about money. Because if you do know how much your co-worker or other people in the industry earn, you can demand more money as well. If you know what busses normally cost and what the prize range usually is, you can make a better decision renting a bus. And if you know how to do merch fees, you will only pay what you have to and some other people don't get a "bonus" because they did it wrong on purpose and screw you...
as a younger person, not born into a musician family and only recently discovering everything about the industry, channels like yours are what show reality of touring and not just the "we're in a different country everyday and performing to our fans" side
as a fan, i really like your industry talks. It just provides another perspective and makes me enjoy the shows even more because I can appreciate the effort that went into it way more
My view of rock stars being larger than life went up in smoke at my first concert. Seeing them in person made me see them as just regular people doing a job.
I am all for you sharing this information, I had the pleasure of meeting a certain musician who talked with me very openly about detailed finance and gave me clear advice. It was an amazing experience. I'm from a smaller country with 0 recognized representative metal bands and a completely different music business landscape. I need that information very much and I can't imagine going at it blind without the knowledge I have now from channels like yours, helpful pro musicians I look up to and podcasts.
I personally hate the music industry because of weird unspoken rules and how hidden a lot of it is from the public. We need more transparency and more openness and kindness. good on you to show what happens behind the scenes. I'm glad in general things are slowly becoming more transparent though and music live streamers often talk about the industry a lot. It's a large part of what I talk about in my interviews and i don't know many musicians of all sizes that have said fully positive things about it, they all want it to change. The industry often benefits everyone but the crew and artists themselves. The most successful musicians I know aren't doing music in the traditional way. and most aren't touring anymore.
I worked a venue for a bit after college and the headliner was upset that we didn't have something specific on the rider or some bs so they refused to play the show last minute. We had to tell everyone a lie because that's how the industry works. It made me feel weird inside. Like it wasn't a big venue either maybe 900 capacity? i don't even remember what it was we couldn't get them, but there was no reason that this person couldn't do the show and no reason we had to lie. Other than it makes them look bad, but that's on them. only in entertainment do we pride ourselves on 'the show must go on' like wtf no, you are sick go home rest. We pride ourselves on being overworked, perpetually burnt out, and doing more for less. We pride ourselves on sleeping in cars while traveling the country to try and make it. I think it's a very toxic part of the industry we need to stop. Touring isn't for everyone and we shouldn't praise people who do things in worse conditions. We need more compassion for those people. Imagine if a company did this to its workers?! They wouldn't. Why should we accept this from a record label or a booking agency?
We don't talk about pay because it's shameful to talk about money, religion, and politics with people (especially coworkers) these days, even though imo politics and money are the things we SHOULD be talking about constantly.
Anyway good video, looking forward to more of your industry insights and content. I'm sorta done with the industry bs. just doesn't seem worth it from the taste i've had of various aspects of the industry. it's definitely not for everyone.
I know who you're talking about and they didn't play because you didn't have separate bathrooms. This is becoming standard and the venue should work on that.
@@noname-ng6sj I am not sure that was the reason, but shouldn’t the artist manager ask about this stuff ahead of time? Like why did they wait to find that out day of the show?! And yeah the venue probably should work on that if they plan on having big acts. Definitely a fault on both ends, but yeah, the fans suffer there in the end.
As a musician who is not on the touring level and a fan of live music I love all the behind the scenes talk. It actually gave me more of an appreciation for the crew. More of an understanding on how things work. Keep up the good work I for one absolutely love the industry talks. PS thanks for turning me on to Electric Callboy. 🤘
As a newbie in the music industry, these videos are more than helpful and insightful. Please keep on going ❤️
As far as I'm concerned, your channel has been such great brain food with regards to aspects of the touring industry that are specific to your experience, and I love it!
You haven't slandered anybody, you haven't indulged in drama of any kind, so I say stay the course man! It benefits everyone (who matters) to tell people about what industries are like and share experiences.
People saying not to talk about the music industry is a lot like employers telling you not to talk about your pay. It only benefits the employer if they can offer different wages to people to save money. The industry can only benefit if the audience doesn't know about the underhanded methods the music industry uses to make its money and, in some cases, keep its monopoly. When the audience is informed, it can redirect its support via their wallets and the monsters of the industry suffer. Keep doing what you're doing and dig in deeper. It's about time musicians and fans align to declare war on unethical business practices. Call it out where you see it, and inform the audience how they can help.
I love your videos dude, especially the ones about touring and the industry. I say tear away the veil, break down the mystique and let us all understand how it works. I did a University course on Music Technology and a few people on the course would be picked up as unpaid roadies for a lecturer who was a professional musician (very shitty thing, but touted as a "great experience", "exposure to the industry" and "looks great on your CV") , but it was always sworn to secrecy. Keeping this stuff secret is a form of gatekeeping, preventing kids from getting into the music industry or considering it as a career option.
Reminds me of the days of Pro Wrestling Kayfabe when no one was supposed to reveal the choreographed / orchestrated nature of Pro Wrestling.
Thanks to you, I have a better appreciation for the financial logistics of the touring industry. Your video with the merch spreadsheet was very informative and engaging.
You’ve always been open and transparent about your dealings in the music industry and touring….and that’s what I appreciates about yous.
I absolutely read that in Squirrely Dan‘s voice, just for the record. 😂
@@TankTheTech then my plan worked out perfectly 😂
Thanks for your content! Respecting personal privacy and honoring legal agreements aside, people who try and be “gatekeepers” betray real insecurity.
The idea of working in the touring industry has popped up in my head thanks to you and your content, and I'm probably not alone in that. The industry should be happy about that.
Please keep these discussions coming! As a music fan and as a musician in a band, this information is incredibly insightful and helps paint a clearer picture of what that world looks like.
First of all, I absolutely your content 🫶🏾! If anything, I think you are helping bands. None of my friends, family, or co-workers have similar tastes in music to me. I personally depend on reaction channels to find new bands or talk about current issues going on in the metal community. I have found so many new bands through your reactions, learned so much about instruments, and the music industry as a whole. One of my biggest pet peeves in life is people developing opinions and commenting on something they know nothing about. So I try to wait until you explain a situation in a video (example: Laptop-gate/backing track debacle) so I can really understand and have a semi informed opinion. You are always respectful, insightful, and never badmouth the bands when explaining how something in the industry works. If anything, because I now know how band merch works now, I try to buy a ton of merch in order to support my favorite artists! Rock stars aren't these bigger than life, mysterious claudestine figures anymore. They are all on tiktok and instagram posting, just trying to keep us engaged. Whoever is emailing you should get with the times and thank you for doing the industry a free public service 🤘🏾🖤🤘🏾🖤.
Your channel is one of the best Reaction/Music Channels on YT. Especially because of your professional insight!
It's so good to see someone talk about these toppics who actually knows their stuff. That is why I've been here for the last 3 years!
Evereyone who want's you to stop talking about tours, prices and the industry only does this because they are afraid that someone may look into it (even if you don't call out names, offical instances like tax police or agencys who monitor monopolistic business practices could take your vids as an initial idea to look into such businesses, which maybe could have legal consequesces). Because, let's be honest, this industry is plagued by shady buisnesses to it's core...
Keep up the good work just like you did the last 3 years!!
Tank, keep doing what you're doing. If anything, you haven't gone far enough. The music industry was something of a cesspool full of crooks for a long time. Today it may not be quite as bad as that, but this culture of silence speaks of a culture of abuse.
Again, keep on doing what you're doing, we're here for it. 🤘🤘
I love your videos about the "how it works". I don't have any relationship to the music industry, I'm "only" a consumer, but I even watched your video about how you set up a merchandise table and how to calculate etc. because it's really interesting.
Yes sometimes I wondered if your allowed to talk about all those things but not because I want to hide something (again: I'm only a consumer) but because of worry but on the other hand I was sure you would have thought about that yourself, and like you said, you don't gossip about thinks but talk about facts or your experience/opinion (and it's always clear what's what! and I really appreciate that!)
I follow many artists (drawing, painting) online and I love how open most of them are about techniques, material, costs some even do videos about how much money they make a month/year and what they do to get that money/how much work it is. I love it. It debunks the myth of the starving artist and the myth about 'it's all talent and fun' - it's hard work! And you do this with music! it's great! thank you for that!
We’ve learned a lot from watching your videos and it has helped with a lot as far as our band deciding stuff the business end of things. Thank you for doing what you do Tank.
Love the fact that you are talking openly about it. It is the same as discussing wages with co-workers. That's a protected right over there in the states but still so many employers would like employees to think it is 'not professional' to discuss wages. That's nonsense, it only benefits the employers. Same thing applies here. So definitely keep doing what you do. You don't air dirty laundry, you simply show how things go in the industry and it is for the best that you do.
Ok, this is a pretty awful take. That's not true at all. It does not "only benefit the employers" and that has nothing to do with the situation Tank is in.
Tank, keep on doing your thing! I used to tour decades ago, and it was a completely different world. Your videos have been a great resource for me as I try to slide back into live performance on a larger scale than the local bars. Information is a good thing, and that's what you give us. Keep up the good work!
Must admit I smiled when I saw the clip in the start where you are hanging out with Walk of the Earth.
And also, you should talk about just what you want to talk about, including the music industry.
I always view it this way ( with few exceptions ) If someone don't want you to talk about something that has happened, the issue is not talking about it happened, but that it happened in the first place.
If people fear something getting out so much, the issue is it was done, and the focus should be for these people to change to something where they don't have to fear people get to see what they really do.
As said there are few exception. Personal things. Or if you just do it to hurt specific people. But if someone is sharing relevant information, then there is nothing wrong with it.
And the music industry could use a push. They need to be more open.
And things need to get out into the light to change some of the things that happens, that really should not be going on.
And while many will fear this, in the long run it will be better for everyone.
your transparency and honesty in these videos has directly and positively impacted how i think of the industry as a whole and how i support the artists i love.
because of you i bought a lorna shore hoodie and their ep and album instead of just streaming them.
same with electric callboy and slaughter to prevail.
i now have hard copies of all 3 of Ren’s cds, his 5-piece toy set, and a great beanie that i purchased directly from him (uk to us shipping and all) to ensure he alone gets the profits.
i’ve made sure to pre-order albums (like the new fall out boy and ed sheeran on vinyl) because, thanks to you, i now know pre-orders affect first week sales numbers.
i plan on asking questions at the shows i go to from now on to see if the venues get merch cuts and, if so, will instead buy the merch directly from the band online when i can.
i can’t forget to mention the creators, either. i have your “all the metal” shirt, a Nik Nocturnal hoodie, an Alex Hefner coffee mug, a Craig Reynolds Downbeat hoodie and beanie, and items from other folks because i want to support what you all do. hell i even finally joined twitch and now sub to a bunch of creators and artists for the same reason. same with patreon.
sorry this is long, but the thought of anyone giving you shit when your videos have made such a positive impact on so many folks like myself f’n irks me, dude.
anyway i just wanted you and others to know that, in addition to those detractors, you have some grateful supporters out here in the wild as well. i have the utmost respect for you as a person, as a creator, and as someone who works in the industry because your openness is very much indicative of your integrity. judging by your podcast guests and the work you have lined up there are plenty of musicians and others in the industry who respect you and all that you do as well.
i hope that you’ll continue to use your voice, experience, and platform to shine light on some of the darker bits of the music industry (and to shout-out the good things, too) for a long time to come 💜
Hey Tank,
Great video as always and thanks. I started working as a roadie for smaller bands in my country just before I discovered your channel and Corona threw a wrench in the works just like it did for everyone else.
But thanks to you I've been able to gather so much knowledge that I would never have had if I hadn't heard it from you.
That's why I'm even happier that finally someone like you is talking openly about it. It should have happened much earlier.
Keep up the good work and all the best in your career. This scene really needs people like you. ❤🤘
Keep doing you man. I’m just a guy who has travelled working backstage for theater and the performing arts (not 30 yet) and having to turn away because of entry into that industry has been rough. I agree transparency is important, this type of work is something that many people should be excited for, and have a passion in educating my generation and the next one too. So keep on making videos man, I’ll keep watching your reactions and content
Tank, you speaking the truth about the music industry is so crucial and beneficial not only to fans, but those of us at the (so far) bottom rungs of the industry, whether we're artists, roadies, managers, or what have you. Please, please continue to be transparent. There is no rational reason why someone in the industry would NOT want these discussions to happen, unless they have something to hide. And that raises the question....if they do have something to hide, what could it be? And are those who want others in the industry to stay silent scared because if the truth comes out, then people won't be so eager to work in the industry?
You’re the literal best in the game. You are my favorite person who has my favorite channel and you should ABSOLUTELY continue doing what you’re doing
Because of your Channel i got to know tons of Artists i missed, i found ways to Support my favourite Bands that i didnt know about before and you are just a great guy in general! The Insights you give in your content is amazing and makes me appreciate the stuff happening in the Background much much more! As a Person that worked Security for many Gigs in Germany from big shots like Rammstein to smaller Indie Bands i dont even see half of the Stuff you talk about happen :P
Haters are gonna hate..
Keep doing what you are doing..
I've been in the business for 45 years, and it's guys like you.. that keep it honest..
Thanks Tank.. you are the man..
🤘🤘🤘
If it's not slander and doesn't break any sort of contract/NDA, it's fair game. The only people that like to keep that veil of secrecy are those that benefits from it, usually so they can get more money from those that don't know better.
I am a new follower/subscriber. You came on my feed and I had never seen your stuff before till now. These are exactly the kinds of conversations I would want to have with industry people. I kind of do what you do but on a much much smaller scale. Just a local band manager. I do not do any tech stuff that doesn’t involve a computer that is why I said “kind of.”
I agree with you, why there is this illusion or veil of celebrity in/out of the industry. I even see this at the small local level I have done work in. I feel like Narcissistic-Sociopathy is a really big problem. Not just in the music industry but all of industry. Just because someone is really good, or great at something doesn’t mean they are a great or even good person. That is up to the individual. I have met some really amazing people but I have also, equally, met some real poop stains as people.
So I get some of that hiding behind the veil stuff, as most people like this do not want others to know the stain they leave behind. That can be a subject all its own. How many bands have broken up or kicked out members for this type of behavior? This could be a thread all its own but I would love see more stuff for the locals out there.
As a local, metal band, good, polished or not I feel like we always gotta fight for just a fair stake at what is ours. I have to argue with bar managers, club owners on price all the time just for our very light flat fee that basically just pays for gas for 3 vehicles, sometimes 4. Thank the metal gods most of us do not drink anymore or we’d have nothing after the show. We are one of the few bands in our area that take merchs seriously. We have been able to make money at bigger shows cause of our efforts with the merchs. At those shows where it is 7 bands and all we play in front of is other bands and their g/f’s, so no merch sales there. I would love to see more stuff on how local bands can break through to that other side, but that other side to me isn’t what it used to be either.
I follow/see/stream more from CZcams musicians than signed, aka professional musicians. However, the word professional now has a new meaning than just being signed to either an indi or professional/major label. I mean one doesn’t even really need the label anymore. Can they help, sure, but are they the be-all-end-all of being successful in this industry? I do not believe so.
Well that is my 2 cents and they are literally 2 cents as we cannot play the gig tonight due to running out of gas on the way there… No not really but that is a real thing that can and as happened as a local band manager. We have been stiffed. We been jumped, we have had gear stolen. It is a never ending laundry list of shit that a local band has to go through just to play either a local show or open for a national. Which is really all we want to do as a band nowadays. Record our own stuff, our own way. Play a few small pub/bar shows and open for a few nationals. That is about it. No ill-conceived delusions of granger. No paying a few hundred bucks to an industry person to tell us what he thinks we should do for our band to be more successful. I know some of this stuff is just to make some extra money they do not have to split 3-5 ways from Sunday, I get all that. I just do not see enough from the industry and its people helping out that next generation or even helping out the locals. One of the main reasons we no longer pay to play. Its just not worth it. The way I have been approaching it is with common sense, logic and me, alone, being dedicated to handling these things over it being a bunch of talking heads all wanting a say. We have approached the band like a team/family and it has worked for us. Let’s try to do more…
The way Tank describes how people have been emailing him and talking directed at him about how he should act... it sounds like a bunch of older generation artists who are afraid you're gonna ruin their careers, because they got shit to hide.
These are some of your best videos...bar none. Love the reactions, but when u get real and transparent and talk about the industry, it's incredibly compelling. Seeing a side of something I enjoy that I otherwise would not.
Please keep these coming my Bearded Brother! 🤘😚
keep doing it. it’s my favorite content on your channel. the merch sheet helped my band soo much
Man, im so happy to hear that!
@@TankTheTech could you do a guide to setting up your first tour. i think that content would be so great for up and coming bands. Our biggest thing now is how to afford a Van/RV and where to get the best prices on them.
Touring industry talk is my favorite video subject followed by music video reactions. I really like learning about how touring works.
Absolutely, these things need to be talked about. And thank you for doing it.
Education is so important! Keep talking. Musicians and fans need to better understand the business and how it works, how the money flows.
The Tour Bus Piece was very insightful, educational and helpful. More Tour bus talk please. Keep up the good work.
I think it's good that you're talking about it, it's the only way to get insights into a world from which you otherwise get little background information
Please continue :)
Greetings from Vienna
I would definitely love to hear more talk about prices and costs and really get down to the detail. Like when selling records on your, who gets what cut (current former band members) considering publishing is involved, etc.. Merch, fuel costs, riders…all of it.
You just keep doing what you’re doing, Tank! I find your videos very helpful, as a music fan and a musician alike. Thank you for what you’re doing for us and giving us your insight! 🤜🤛
I appreciate what you do because I love knowing what goes on behind the scenes. It helps us see that these artists are people just like us. Also, it’s interesting how much work goes into putting on a tour.
As a guy who wanted to tour with my old band, it’s nice to see the curtain pulled back a little. The more bands know how to do stuff, the less shady it is, and that fear of totally getting screwed out the breaks on my desire to get involved any deeper than I was. Thank you for being honest, and knowing where to draw the line dude!
This video just popped on my feed and it’s the first time I see this channel. As long as you are doing what you like, you are adding value and not hurting anyone you should do what you want. Most artists and bands that call you out on things are just a show of their insecurities. They forgot where they started and now they are trying to be the gatekeepers they blasted before they were in a better position. Keep it up!
I love how much I've learned about the production aspect of touring and I believe that is very ok to be open about how things work and explain how some things that the audience might think that make no sense from production perspective does make sense. You've been putting some amazing work, Thank you.
I prefer the music industry stuff more-so than the reaction videos. Thanks for peeling back the curtain. Keep it coming.
This is my first time seeing your channel, and I am definitely subscribed now. What you are doing and saying is extremely valuable. People need to be more open and honest about sharing information. The part about pay is so 100% true...if the "employees" were more open in any organization, they could negotiate based on true value and worth...Business does not want us to share this info under the guise that it could cause animosity among the ranks, when in reality what it should do is allow staff to band together in ways that will not allow the employer to take advantage of those who may not realize their true value.
Great work, keep it up!
Thank you!
i know nothing about the music industry. but when someone tells you to shut up i´m thinking they themselves might have something to hide.
Never stop what you're doing Tank, love your channel! Especially the reactions where you bring so much interesting facts about gear, setups and everything music related, coming "from the inside". Keep it up man and greetings from Sweden! 🤘🏻❤🤘🏻
Your music industry discussions are great and why I tune in, hope you keep it up!
I really enjoy the behind the scenes/industry content, probably even more than the reactions. As long as you aren't giving out private details regarding specific individuals (which I can't ever recall happening), I don't see what people have to complain about. If anything, learning more about what goes on in the industry makes me realize how difficult it can be for people involved and appreciate my favorite bands and their touring crews even more.
Your honesty and straightforward approach is what makes your content so good. I've never heard you air dirty laundry or try to embarrass anyone. Keep up the great work. I'll keep listening.
I love that you do these. I wish somebody had done them when I was so much younger. I wanted more than anything to be a sound engineer and make a room, no matter how big or small, sound like heaven. But it was the 80s and the misogyny in the music business was extreme by any standard. I wasn't attractive and so at every step of the way, I was actively discouraged. So I love seeing these and knowing my friends that are getting into crewing are going to be wiser than I was about the realities.
Thank you for this video! I have been a stagehand for 21 years...now the House Electrician for one of our smaller venues. We need to talk about these things and more! I despise gatekeepers! I'm also learning to tattoo...talk about gatekeepers! Holy crap! The tattoo industry is also rife with them! It's ridiculous! Yes.. some things need to be kept private- like people's names and whatnot, but other things- fucking talk about them! You do it the right way. You have common sense and know what should be on the down low and what you can reveal. It's a delicate balance and you walk that tightrope well. My husband and I both work in the industry and agree that what you've been doing is awesome! You have our full support.
PS We both hope we run into to you at a load in one day. Hell- I'll buy you lunch!
Would love to meet and chat for a while if I ever end up in the same area!
@TankTheTech Norfolk VA my friend!
These discussions are the best part of your channel. Keep it up!
If you can't be honest about the industry, then the industry has a problem, not the person being honest . This applies to everything and everyone.