Scientific Proof of God?
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- čas přidán 26. 01. 2017
- How many times has somebody professed to have scientific proof for God's existence? Peculiar that an omnipotent god who demands worship wouldn't grace us with something a bit more compelling than his son's face on a bit of toast, isn't it?
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I don't know therefore god
Can't beat that logic.
Get Rekt true
Wolfhound817 and friends, I don't know therefore only the God which I currently believe in.
"I don't know" is the reason religions were made. They wanted to be able to answer those pesky little questions of where we come from and why we exist. I don't want to start (another) war in the comment section but still...
Ian Adams I don't know" is the reason why God's were made. The religion came after that. Not wanna be a smart ass... :P
*god... god banged it..*
Quote of the year.
omg
so you're saying that God popped the universe's cherry?
aka, he fucked it! Well the world IS fucked! Maybe this is proof of god. Lol! ;)
Terrence Rollins I immediately scrolled to the comments when he said that. Wasn't disappointed
“It was god who banged it”
-CosmicSkeptic
When creatures evolved do you think they could choose in land or sea which element they will take as a feul if they take too much will be poison if doesnt will suffocate why the 26% out of all why didnt people in north pole grew fur why not people near sea grew scales why in hot places they cant preserve water like lizards why didnt human achieve immortalty when before they could live to 1150+ you will answer darwin or my lord science said now who is the religous you think religon have to get an idol and a prop
Please use google translate cause I didn’t understand anything
@@donkeytrash1969 turkish or urdu?
@@user-pn3gr8jb7r Turkish
@@user-pn3gr8jb7r they didn’t choose, it goes by random mutation. If an environment isn’t successful for your pool, you go find another one, then you die there and your offsprings repeat the process
If you imagine the desk next to him is the floor, the books look giant.
Made me chuckle. Thanks for this fun and unique comment.
You have changed my whole perspective
talk about thinking outside the box
I like your perspective
wow im amazed
The universe isn't "finely tuned" to us, We are "finely tuned" to the earth
The universe is fine-tuned for us to be able to be fine tuned to the earth
Manuel F. .... what
Panology YES!
Don't confusing him now .
@@mutaziones if that is true go live up a mountain above 15K feet or at the bottom of the ocean.....
I used to be a Christian too. I've found that the universe is far more magical without any magic in it.
I agree. I was Catholic, Christian, Muslim, now Atheist. I've never been so intrigued before and I wonder how even animals keep eye contact, sleep, etc.: The simple things. Not just, the fairy in the sky did it.
That’s a shame.
Monotheistic religions arent even very imaginative. Other religions have gods where the godess kali dances the world to destruction and sheis stopped by her husband throwing herself under her feed to protect earth. What does the christian god have on that.
Ned Barks you’re missing the point
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"God knows everything, except where god came from."- Alex Jones haha
weeEeeZe
God created null and existence God is superior to time and place he created the concept of being created and you want him to be created e
Does God know what he doesn't know?
...hmm... seems like a paradox.
@@user-pn3gr8jb7r ah poor you, indoctrinated by your parents since your birth. You have lost the ability to think yourself, you have lost the natural ability of humans to question things.
If you argue that you do have a mind of your own, then tell me one thing. Philosophers define God as an entity that is both omniscient (knows everything) and omnibenevolent (all-good). If there exists such a thing, then He must be *knowing* what lust feels like. If he doesn't know then he cannot be omniscient. If he does know, then he can't be all-good.
So you see the notion of God is fundamentally flawed. There can't exist such thing as God.
@@user-pn3gr8jb7r Oh Abd alaziz you're trying so hard to make sense of your illogical beliefs it's almost saddening
"The Big Bang isn't normal."
Well, neither is god but you're going to say he is possible.
no because the big bang is a whole assumption about the world and how it was created makes no sense
@@jazzyymcnack9816 how is God any different?
What is it like to have the ability to drop the mic on a believer multiple times only for them not to understand?
Eames
Drop the mic on me
LukeDaFluke23 Choose a topic.
Eames
Was Jesus real?
Eames Disappointing, really. Hate winning an argument without my opponent ever understanding how they lost.
It's like shouting at walls and hoping the neighbour maybe heard it.
"don't call me Albie" - *Albert Einstien*
Terrence Rollins don't believe every quote on the internet.
-albert einstein
'if you can't handle me at my worst, then you sure as hell don't deserve me at my best.'
-Adolf Hitler 1753 B.C.
I was there for that speech.
Get your hands off my tail. . . You'll make it dirty!
"Grab 'em by the pussy" - Mary Whitehouse. I mean, Donald Trump.
As Woody Allen said:
"If God exists,he definitely is an underachiever"
Yeah I mean look at how much good people have done for people. And of course, people have done bad to people, but so has nature (which if God exists, is controlled by God)
@@miranda.cooper You know nothing about God
Isnt he dead ,
All creation will bow to God ..you can bet your billions,your intelligence, your STUPIDITY on that...
@@davidpowell9629
No..God is dead like Christ
Me: - drinks soda -
Cosmix skeptic: and it was God who banged it.
Me: - spits out soda -
You need more subscribers bro.
i christened that action "to nose coffee" i'd appreciate it if you'd spread it around, i may die at any minute and so far i've failed to achieve anything on a global scale, cheers :)
@@HarryNicNicholas *noses coffee*
When creatures evolved do you think they could choose in land or sea which element they will take as a feul if they take too much will be poison if doesnt will suffocate why the 26% out of all why didnt people in north pole grew fur why not people near sea grew scales why in hot places they cant preserve water like lizards why didnt human achieve immortalty when before they could live to 1150+ you will answer darwin or my lord science said now who is the religous you think religon have to get an idol and a prophet
Don't you just hate it when the universe expands from a point of infinite mass and density during your morning jog?
What an everyday occurrence 😂
It happened twice yesterday, so annoying
So annoying. Or when the speed of the universe's expansion is setting us apart from every other star and planet which causes the enegy to fizzle out and every star to dim and eventually leave you in a cold nothingness. So frustrating.
RaichuaTheFurry such a bruh moment
RaichuaTheFurry yes, I was runnin in the park and a sudden abnormal expansion of space hit me in the head and I pass out
I'm being forced to take a Bible class right now and there seems to be more contradictions and questions than answers.
Polite Conversation then argue constantly with your teacher
+Jure Matković Aka "You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile!" but replace Borg with your favorite religious authority.
+Jure Matkovic Give a man who tries to strengthen his waning faith a bible and he will become an atheist. You do realize that the bible is the number 1 tool for deconverting people, right? The moment people stop cherry picking and read the bible for what it is, is when they become an atheist. It's when they start seeing the massive number of contradictions, immoral actions committed by "god", descriptions that go against reality, and the list goes on and on. The fool reads and interprets the bible. The enlightened study what is actually says.
Salty, how many years do you have left?
Polite Conversation he said he is 15 so i guess 3 more years
The fine tuning argument? Seriously?
A puddle wakes up one day...
aaah classic douglas adams
Here’s a man having a debate about the possible existence of the entire universe and religion, yet I’m here concerned that the shark in the background is differently positioned compared to normal.
So a fairly complex universe popping into existence is not acceptable for a Christian, but *infinitely-complex* ever-existing timeless ominpotent being is okay. Makes sense...
Libor Tinka Aincent Aliens Guy: "Christians"
I guess you've never heard of the doctrine of divine simplicity, then.
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Never heard of it, thanks. I was reacting to the christian argument from design, that complex things like life can never come up from simple things. Then to make a complex universe, they need to invoke even more complex god to create it.
Saying this all can come up from a simple god is a bold claim requiring more explanation. We could then as well make a round trip and substitute "god" for "physical laws" and it will work as well.
Libor Tinka: Exactly! And this is an argument that can so easily be used to counter those who argue that the only explanation for complex structures such as the human eye or the brain is by a divine creator: Complex structures such as these could only be willfully created by something more complex than those structures and yet no no explanation as to where this complex creator came from is ever offered. Basic logic. But logic is the enemy of religion.
+Libor Tinka Physical laws aren't things, though. They are just descriptions of the way things behave.
Over and over. The same thing. The universe is NOT tuned for life, life is tuned for the universe it finds itself in. The universe was here before life was.
Ancillary Ego. But you can find evidence of something that happened before anyone was observing it and make educated guesses and models based on that evidence. You can for example prove that a galaxy that is millions of light years away from the Earth existed millions of years ago (and might still exist) because you can see the light that originated from that galaxy and you can measure the speed of light.
Still doesn't prove how the universe was here first, how or who created the universe.
You make the assumption that the universe must be created, which is a non-sequitur as by logic that means the creator must have been created. Bad logic.
We take what we know now, and the more knowledge we gain about now (evidence) the more we understand about the past.
For example:
We wanted to know how stars worked with the previously proved concept of gravity that should cause collapse. We eventually figured out through modelling that the best current model is that the universe is constantly expanding. This matched observations perfectly.
We can take this model and reverse it, finding that at one point the universe was collapsed in on itself in an incredibly dense point of mass, infinitely dense in fact, and at this point, time would not exist as a construct that could be understood, so the model ceases to function.
However, we could predict from this event we called the Big Bang that there should be light that we can see that shows us the Big Bang at the edge of the universe.
We looked and there it was. Observation matches modelling.
We probably won't figure out what happened before the Big Bang, just because of how our perception of the universe works. However, we know it's not a creator, because a creator needs to be created. The logic doesn't hold up.
That a good way to decide it what i came up with sounds stupid and sounds like it would confused people the way i say it is the reason everything like it is, is because if was a different then we wouldnt exist like we do now we dont just happen to happen we can exist in this world that why we are still here like for example the reason the boobie bird is extinted ia because the bird was not that smart and would get trapped in nets and died
Hoskins2000 the same could be said about your god if your god made space and time where was he at before he made space and time because if he made the universe without being in the universe that means there something else beside the universe what created that place if everything had to be made by someone or something what made your god he couldnt of created himself because in order to create something you gotta be there to make it
3:20 "It was god, who banged it"
yess
God banged it. MADE MY DAY
When creatures evolved do you think they could choose in land or sea which element they will take as a feul if they take too much will be poison if doesnt will suffocate why the 26% out of all why didnt people in north pole grew fur why not people near sea grew scales why in hot places they cant preserve water like lizards why didnt human achieve immortalty when before they could live to 1150+ you will answer darwin or my lord science said now who is the religous you think religon have to get an idol and a prophet
It baffles me how religious people are willing to learn new scientific facts, but insert god as the reason for it. It creates multitudes of contradictions they completely ignore.
BECAWS JEBUS.
LOL because I've never heard a scientist do such a thing!....oh wait..
Why does it baffle you? In a world with no objective logic, this should be normal for you by now.
Doublethink.
They ignore the contradictions because they are not using the scientific method to evaluate evidence. They instead use scientific facts to try to discredit science and credit religion instead. They cannot see the contradictions because they don't know the scientific method, they don't care to know the scientific method, and they are conditioned that their religion knows best. It makes me sad :(
If you shake up a bag of legos for billions of years, you just might get a house shaped structure.
No, you still wouldn’t lol
Unbreakable Patches no you wouldn’t. No matter how you shake the box, with increased/decreased force overtime or the speed at which you’re shaking it, all the Lego’s would need a certain amount of pressure to fit into one another. Not to mention certain precision in the different bumps on the Lego’s would is to fit into one another, adding in with all the Lego’s flying in disarray and bouncing off one another and colliding off one another (upside down & sideways), also the constant breaking and dislocation of the already connected blocks from collision with other blocks, id be surprised if you even get a 3x3 wall fitted properly. It’s just not possible to get a house created from shaking the box of Lego’s. It’s a horrible comparison.
Unbreakable Patches Which is why Realistically this cannot happen.
Unbreakable Patches Not a great comparison.. I don’t think you get it, You’re not going to create something (especially a house of Lego’s) which easily breaks and needs the right piece to carry on the creation before another consecutive piece has to or can be pieced together.
So let me give you an example, if you shake a jigsaw box, you’re not going to get a perfectly pieced jigsaw no matter how long you shake the box, because again, something which has to be fitted consecutively back-to-back with the perfect amount of pressure and right pieces, is only going to be even more easily broken from, let’s say, 3-4 pieces, it’s always going to break off before it’s perfectly piece together. It’s just not possible, theoretically & realistically.
Unbreakable Patches Also the dice comparison isn’t good because there’s no probability at all to get 7 on a 6 dice, it’s automatically 0, but you admit there’s a probability to get the house out of Lego’s done 1 time, therefore the probability is only viable in 1 of the comparisons, when it should be both.
I don’t know therefore god.
God dammit someone else said that.
Samuel Rodick
: I don't know therefore god [Anyone have original thinking?]
When creatures evolved do you think they could choose in land or sea which element they will take as a feul if they take too much will be poison if doesnt will suffocate why the 26% out of all why didnt people in north pole grew fur why not people near sea grew scales why in hot places they cant preserve water like lizards why didnt human achieve immortalty when before they could live to 1150+ you will answer darwin or my lord science said now who is the religous you think religon have to get an idol and a prophet
@@user-pn3gr8jb7r you’re assuming that just because something can’t be observed, that it cannot be true. Also, what is more impossible, the idea of an ever existing god that decided to create a universe 6,000 years for no apparent reason other than because they wanted to, or that change can happen to a species over millions of years? Science does not need prophets or idols to explain the universe. The same scientific facts are demonstrable today, as they were 13.8 billion years ago when the universe was created.
I read the book "a universe from nothing", and I have to say, it's absolutely amazing and I have to thank you for recommending it.
Jesus walks into a hotel, slams four nails onto the counter and says "can you put me up for the night"?
Jesus walked into a village and saw an angry crowd gathered in the street. As he approached he saw that they were stoning a young woman. He stepped through the crowd and, standing in front of the woman to protect her, asked the crowd, "Why stonest thou this young girl?"
"Because," they replied, "she has had sex before marriage."
“Oh, ye hypocrites!” said Jesus, “Let whichever of you has not had sex even after marriage cast the first stone.”
At that, a wizened old woman picked up a large stone and smashed the girl around the back of the head with it. Jesus turned to the old woman and said… “Mother, sometimes you really piss me off!”
If god exists he has a lot to explain. The whole god works on mysterious ways will not suffice
+johno doh when Christians say that God has a plan.
and then they say that he's good.
Dustin Pardy add that to the "god gave us freewill" it becomes heads I win tails you lose.
pwuk free will is an illusion according to Christian logic :)
Personally, I don't have a problem with not having free will- so God is making us argue for the sake of laughing God's head off. Have you never done something like that?
+Derron Mendel I'm not arguing with you.
"It's god who banged it"
- Alex J. O'Connor
This guy actually knows how to debate a topic without getting angry and raising his voice or saying anything in a biased way or tone. The one thing I hate more than anything is bias. It gets in the way of the cold hard truth. The fact that this sane man is able to argue his opinion without bashing or belittling others is astonishing.
The problem with claiming that a god created the universe is that you're answering a mystery with an even larger one. God is a non-answer.
''God'' is singularity.
Ancillary Ego Well, depends on the definition.
VeggieXTC
"Something can't come from nothing, therefore God must have been created."
You can say that we must have been created, but to do that you must accept that our creator must have been created. It doesn't matter if it's eternal, it exists, therefore it must have come from something.
That's the problem with creationist logic. It's paradoxical to the core. No offence to you of course.
when there is no time, what is the difference between eternal and singular?
My guess is that there was something before the universe. Saying it was god is quite a leap of faith. And certainly no proof for gods questionable existance.
you really give me hope for the future of mankind. i have a PhD in engineering from a "top 10 of the world" university and work there as a researcher and every week i can still learn something from a 17 year old on youtube. hope, as i said... hope...
Sorry, man.
The future of mankind is terribly fucked sorry to tell you. The government is pushing gun control and creating "school shootings" to do it. There will be a tyrannical change is government and we will be under martial law.
J Sargent I would call you a lunatic before 9/11 but if they can make up shit to invade countries then a school shooting is a piece of cake
Let's not forget in addition to the Earths surface, 70% of it being covered in undrinkable water, there are also vast deserts and saltpans that span millions of square miles where no crops could be grown, mountains, Ice plains such as Antarctica and tundras that again cannot be turned into farm land. The fact also that some countries are brought to their knees in droughts and heavy rain or snowfall.
Adding all this into the equation, barely 10% of the Earths surface is comfortable for human life and cultivation.
Nah man the world was perfect but our sins fucked it all up and God made the world a shithole in response.
I hate sins of the father. Should a man's child be sent to prison for 30 years if his father was sentenced for 80 years of prison and died after 50 years? No, the kid didn't do anything, so why should he be imprisoned? Same can be said here. Adam and Eve might have sinned but why do we have to suffer the consequences? An omnipotent omniscient omnibenevolent being shouldn't believe sins of the father is a good line of logic, but he has that train of thought in full swing. Just one of the many ways that the Bible doesn't make any sense.
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To my recent knowledge, the earth being 70% undrinkable is simply the effect of an event that occurred known as the flood. Im not necessarily pointing at the flood in Noahs time(although that's what I believe in), but every nation has some sort of flood account within their history. Water is a substance that can break down rocks into a mineral state and with a time period from approximately 2346 b.c. to now would give it a good enough time to salt the oceans into its current state.
My ideology for your last statement is that maybe we haven't tried inhabiting deserts well enough 🤷🏻♂️😂
@@clos395 Go back to bed.
WaveForceful I actually just woke up, thank you for caring about my health tho😁
“Many people believe that it was actually God that banged it” 😂
Edit: I am a Christian now...this aged poorly
The anger and punishment from God is a metaphor for natural cause and effect.
When creatures evolved do you think they could choose in land or sea which element they will take as a feul if they take too much will be poison if doesnt will suffocate why the 26% out of all why didnt people in north pole grew fur why not people near sea grew scales why in hot places they cant preserve water like lizards why didnt human achieve immortalty when before they could live to 1150+ you will answer darwin or my lord science said now who is the religous you think religon have to get an idol and a prop
Guide for your lord way in wisedom and good reminding
@@user-pn3gr8jb7r all creatures came from the sea. After a while a few got onto land. The ones with mutations that allowed them to live on land evolved to become all the land animals we see today. Also all humans came from Africa. It was really hot which is why we dropped our fur. It takes a lòooooong time to grow scales and fur. Humans only spread out from Africa a few millenia ago. Also why would humans near the sea grow scales. Dolphins and whales don't have scales and they're swimming perfectly fine.
Why become a Christian? There is no evidence towards being a "benevolent" god who sends people to eternal punishment. A little paradoxical, no?
"Look at how beautifully designed the universe looks."
"What about all this stuff that's ugly and doesn't function well?"
"That? Oh, yeah, that...that was our fault."
-_-
Evil is as good as real is.
Armand Breck then the deluded will say,"man is now fallen as it has chosen to disobey god. So things were perfect but Man chose to be in an Imperfect world" what can we say to that?
In Plain Sight imperfections aplenty, from "perfection", Yahweh. deluded will say that's because we are fallen, ate an apple. OmFg! Please ask yourself, Who's responsible? The "perfect" parent who puts a bomb in a childcare center that kills all or the child who touches it and sets it off?
KariahLuke Channel first, it’s never stated what the fruit was. Second, the tree was a test to see if they’d follow the only rule God gave them
Simple Arguments the devil is responsible for anything that doesn't function well
I went to church when I was about 6 yrs old. Scared the hell out of me thinking that a God is up there watching me bathe and knowing my thoughts. Then I started questioning it and people scared the hell out of me. Like Cosmic here I started reading and looking deeper into this god thing. The more I look for answers the more questions I had. Ask a Preacher and he said it was all in gods plan. Not a good enough answer. As a 53 year old man I have come to my own conclusion that god is false and religion was made up to control the masses and make money from the illiterate. They don`t want a Society that can think for themselves. I could go on but I won`t. Have a good day and thanks for that Video.
God is real and He Love you.
@@gloryofthemessiah8771 And you better love him back or else he will burn you for eternity, cause he loves you.
@@skarpheinnsmundsson9741 Yes the only way to prove your true love is by making those who don't love you back burn for all of eternity. Do you not see the lOvE
..Hmm 😐 what's the point ...What's the point in writing ...This meaningless story also who has time to think about God when they are 6 years old .. Probably you wasted a lot of time ...
Or is it (most likely)that you crave for attention ? 😂😂
@@joeljose8791 Most parents make their kids start going to church at a very young age like mine did. After being made to listen to everything about god I stopped believing in him at a young age, so it was probably the same for the person who made the comment
12:25 “forget about genetics”
Immediately proceeds to talk about genetics
11:08 That is one of your best rebuttals yet! And it's something so many people don't realize: life is tuned for this world, because the world was like that and life evolved to 'work' in that world. Had the universe been different something else could've happened. It is us humans giving meaning to the configuration of the universe. In the same way that throwing 5 dice and them landing exactly with five sixes, is just as unlikely as them falling into any other configuration; WE give meaning to the data!
I wouldn't even call their idea of God a hypothesis, as a hypothesis needs to have an experiment that can confirm or disconfirm it. It is an assertion at best
Alexim the Arctic Folf it isn't w scientific hypothesis, it's a logical one.
Alexim the Arctic Folf you can test GOD. just let me know if you survive your "test"
Clark Dauphin Tell me how and i will seriously risk my life if needed -or your idea is anything near to logical-.
Ancillary Ego
A- E=M.C.C
B- Since i replied your question, let me ask you something;
"How is there a god rather than nothing?"
C- An idea of a god can't be tested because a god is an omnipotent, omnipresent and a know-it-all creature, also it can't be tested because a god is "beyond science". By this, i mean that god is a metaphysical creature. Therefore, physical science can't test it.
Ancillary Ego A- courses.lumenlearning.com/boundless-chemistry/chapter/the-laws-of-thermodynamics/
B- Then we're not talking about your God.
C- Show me how can you test it and make it a fact, and not a theory -because a theory is an explanation of facts based on scientific proof and is tested over and over, which isn't the same as a fact-.
"it was god who banged it" hehehehehheheeheeeheh
sorry
Best. Quote.
Kinky
Proof?
To be fair... Yeah.
But that also reminds me of the Lucifer version of the 'Big Bang'...
I can't concentrate after hearing that
Just a point, we do have evidence for the multiverse theory. It’s called quantum uncertainty, superposition and wave theory.
@AllSeeingEye ofGod Yes we do, quantum physics. It's either a multiverse of Biocentrism, you choose.
@AllSeeingEye ofGod I have skim read this comment, I'm fourteen and I have better things to be doing, but evolution is the process of natural and sexual selection. Why do we share 99% of DNA with Apes? It's because we share a common ancestor. On another point, there is something called the Strong Anthropic principle, it means that the universe had to create life for it to exist. Matter doesn't exist if it's not being observed. You can disagree with that as much as you like, but it is true. At a quantum level, matter does not exist if it is not being observed. On your comment about Noah, at any one point when life on Earth had evolved to a substantial level, there has always been at least 5,000,000 different species of animals, almost certainly more, so two of every animal means that the Ark would have had to have been big enough for ATLEAST 10,000,000 different species of animals. Something tells me that that isn't possible, even in the eyes of God.
If you want to reply to this comment with counter-arguments, or give me some of that evidence for an Intelligent Creator, then please do, or you can message me personally if you feel that you will get embarrassed by your stupid little Christian ideas.
@AllSeeingEye ofGod First. I am fourteen. Second, please don't be homophobic, and third should Christians swear?
HERE IS A VIDEO EXPLAINING HOW THE MULTIVERSE THEORY COULD BE REAL --> czcams.com/video/kTXTPe3wahc/video.html
In science, a theory is extremely trusted. According to the National Academy of Sciences (NAS), a scientific theory is “a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can incorporate facts, laws, inferences, and tested hypotheses.” No amount of validation changes a theory into a law, which is a descriptive generalization about nature.
Fossil records show that there are species in between current species, where you can see the similarities growing: HERE'S A PICTURE OF THAT IN EFFECT --> qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-02a195fa3fcaadf8ddb065b6cc309805.webp
Regarding evolution as "Blind Luck". As I said previously, evolution is the process of natural and sexual selection, the fittest survive and therefore pass on their genes to their children. This has stopped with humans, so common gene mutations in humans no longer have an effect on whether on not people live, seeing as it is not just the fittest that survive anymore.
If you could just give me some evidence for an Intelligent Creator, and something that disproves evolution, then that would be nice.
You haven't covered some of the things that I have included in my previous reply, please do.
“and it was god who *BANGED* it”, literally made me laugh out loud
yo that guy is claiming that god is better than my mom's cooking, and that is utter bullshit my mom is an amazing cook
EtheDemon my mum never cooks tsunamis, so she's definitely better
the concept of nothing, like straight up nothing, absolute nothingness, the absence of everything, true nothing, makes my brain hurt
"Nothing" doesn't exist.
I know, if nothing existed than anything wouldn't exist so nothing would or should or could exist because nothing would consume everything because it's nothing and nothing would exist so then there would be nothing to experience nothing so if nothing existed nothing would be there to be aware of nothing and...you see my predicament
I know, I was contributing to the idea
Even a vaccuum is quite full
Nothing does exist. Just take a look in my fucking wallet currently.
I've come to believe that, if there is a God, He doesn't want us to be able to prove that he exists or by now, presumably, we would have done so.
I remember watching this channel while a Christian, I had no idea ho bias I was
I completely understand this 110%! I like to think of it as a house with an open door, when you have a foundation or a house built around Faith or even religious practice/teaching, no matter what winds blow through the house, you'll always lean towards the foundation/house supports.
I enjoy watching these with the idea of learning what I can learn because Ive had these questions before but I still gravitate towards Faith because of my own experiences and constant learning to better understand and teach with peace, you know? Im always open to new information and discussion but I hate arguments and heated debates. :)
Religion = Simple answers for simple people.
Religion gives simple explanations that are not answers at all for the extremely simple minded people with child like minds.
Whatever helps them sleep at night...
So saying "There is no God" isn't a simple answer???
Well, first of all, what you described is not Atheism, but rather Anti-Theism.
Secondly, people aren't Atheists because they're looking for answers. They just don't believe religion has the answers.
Blue Magic
Um well ALOT of people I know claim to be atheists and this is how they think.
Sorry that 70% of your community is toxic, just like mine.
The argument is that something cannot come from nothing... Which is exactly what God is claimed to have done....Cheesey Crust!
Only if it *CAME INTO* existence
+Joel Almloff I don't know what you mean
+Joel Almloff I didn't mean that God came from nothing- but rather, that he made everything from nothing- so, if one believes in God, something CAN come from nothing- in fact, everything did. He just proofed it into existence
As in Ex nihilo, the Christian docrine that states that God created the world from nothing. But it is different from saying it was caused from nothing.
+Joel Almloff caused by nothing.?
A super powerful magical being creating a universe from nothing IS NOT NORMAL EITHER BUDDY.
The fine tuning argument is a little like saying: "How fantastic and improbable is it that the number Pi is so finely tuned to divide a circle's circumference and produce its diameter! Imagine if Pi was just a little bit off, it would no longer work! Therefore someone must have _designed_ Pi to an incredible precision to have this amazing property!"
Shake the lego box long enough...
ibuprofen303 More or less.
my toughts Hell, just given how vast and old our current universe is.
my toughts
A box of Lego the size of the universe is my idea of heaven. Fuck Playstation and XBox etc .
ibuprofen303 Xbox is my religion sir, how dare you!!
14:40
Hey! I'm commenting this early in the hopes that you see this. I just want to say thank you for giving me a new view on religion. I used to think that atheism was something bad that would send me to hell. After watching your videos, though, I've become much more comfortable with my skepticism of god. I've been telling my friends about your videos (they love you, by the way) and we've all developed the whole X-Files "I want to believe" take on atheism. Again, thank you so much for helping understand my relationship with religion and keep up the good work.
You go man!
Wait, i hope you misspoke when you said you and your friends developed a "I want to believe" take on atheism.
Reality is not determined by what we wish to believe.
What I was trying to say was that while my friend and I are atheists, we still are open to any argument for a higher power and, provided compelling and accurate evidence, would gladly believe in a god. Sorry for any miscommunication!
Theatrical Melody I used to be a catholic and it really scared me in my childhood. I was terrified of doing anything to upset "god." After some consideration I decided to drop religion and it has been a weight off my shoulders since the age of 15.
Religion can't save but Jesus Christ can. He loves you so much, and has loved you with an everlasting love.
Been on a Cosmic Skeptic binge the last few days. Well done on your channel man!
I honestly wish i could articulate half as well as Alex. Love watching your videos, so intelligent and well versed at such a young age. How people can honestly go up against you and believe they are going to win is hilarious.
I hate when people say 'the universe was fined tuned for human life! If the ratios were any differant, we wouldn't exist' THATS THE WHOLE POINT! IF THE UNIVERSE WAS DIFFERANT WE'D BE DIFFERANT! If the laws of gravity were differant, the humans, or other life, would have evolved with tHOSE LAWS! And they' be questioning it themselves!! I hate this argument so much! Ughhhhh
My favorite analogy is the puddle. A puddle becomes sapient and is fully capable of thought. It looks at the world around it and thinks "Gee there must be a god out there, it's like the world was made to conform to me!" never realising that the puddle conforms to the shape of its hole.
*My favorite analogy is the bullseye analogy. A person walking in the woods sees an arrow sticking out of a tree. He then proceeds to draw a bullseye around the arrow and declares that the arrow has hit the target right on the bullseye! Amazing!*
@@armedweiss5531 That's Douglas Adams and the puddles continue to believe it despite the evidence (it starts getting hotter and the puddle starts shrinking).
Some atheists say that water takes the
shape of container so water adjusts itself
according to container similarly
universe is self adjusting ...
Now try fitting any metal ball or huge
rock in that glass ,unfortunately
metal ball or huge rock won't take
the shape of glass and glass will break
then,by your logic, universe isn't self adjusting...
Also,some atheists say universe isn't fine
tuned for us but we are fine tuned for
universe..
so if we humans have such a good
ability to fine tune ourselves then
why couldn't we get fine tuned for Jupiter
or Saturn or even moon where traces
of water were found, couldn't any
form of life fine tune itself for moon
or other eight planets???
Now you'll say that other planets don't
have favourable conditions for life
then again this means that earth
is favourable i.e., earth is finely tuned,
not us humans .
@@SP-on1gt earth is not fined tuned for humans it just happened to have a favorable condition heck if Mars was on the same orbit as earth it could have life
This guy in the Rational Religion channel doesn't seem to realize that science, not like religion, doesn't try to mislead people, tweak the facts, and base opinions to fit own benefits,but rather comes to conclusions based on unbiased studies.
Christianity is not a religion but it's LIFE.
Jesus said that He came to give us Life and a better Life.
The only thing science likes to fit to, is the new information we find
@@gloryofthemessiah8771 Orly? How about Matthew 10:34-36?
@@gloryofthemessiah8771 all religions say same thing
"and it was God who banged it"
Omg I died
Is it only me who finds these videos extremely relaxing to watch. Lol
You sir, have just earned yourself the privilege of being one of the channels that deserves to be in my subscription list. Oh I know, how exciting this must be for you. But please, I am a modest person. Don't mind me and focus on producing excellent content.
say wut
lol saren you made me laff. And it's spelled LAFF.
You're so humble. Please teach me how to increase my humility.
Become a christian and believe that the entire universe was created just for you.
+Jon Paddick Right? "I want to be part of something bigger." Well, you are. "But wait, I want to be special, too."
You, young Sir, give me restored faith in your generation. How the fuck did you get so smart anyway?!
Have you seen his book collection? He really has some gems in there
Nick Lersberghe: Yes, many a gem in there. I've read many of them myself, but I am twice his age and must say; many of them are quite a heavy read that requires a vast vocabulary and reading comprehension. That being said, I read them all in english - which is not my native language. But even for an english speaking teenager they would be considered complex and boring, espescially when you have Pokemon Go and snapchat a few swipes away :P It takes a special interest to get through those book, and that's why I salute him!
K4maKomodo & Come Inside; Yes, and thank (a non-existing god) for that! I come from Norway, one of the least religious of the "Christian countries". And also a country with a very good educational-system. I fiercely believe that religion and intelligence (or the lack there of) walks hand in hand (no offense to all you "believers"). I've always been seeking answers to the everlong question of "why are we here?", but I never once tried to find the answer in a bible. The answer is "up there" and in science.
My comment was directed at me losing faith in the current generation of young people, what with all the new gadgets and crappy influences everywhere. Back in the day, when you had a question to something, you actually had to ask another person or look it up in a book, and if you couldn't find the answer; you simply did not know.. haha. The lack of readily available information everywhere spawned alot of brain-activity and curiosity among the young people. Now all you have to do is google it or ask 'Siri'. lol.
I fear that having ALL the information (and misinformation as well) at your fingertips makes a developing mind lazy - as you need not think for yourself. But Mr. CosmicSkeptic shows me that is not that case. I stand corrected :)
(Sorry for my english, hope I made at least SOME sense)
Yes, I see that my correlation was weak there. There are many cases of very smart people that embrace religion. No doubt. I even know a few of them, one is a highly educated engineer. And that baffles me even more! How can one with a high intelligence and comprehesion of thing totally "give in" to religion like that? I blame tradition and family - and also the need to feel "special" or to have something to confide in - a "comforting little helper" in lack of a better description, haha. But, SOME religious people admit to the fact that their belief is exactly that: A PERSONAL BELIEF. Saying: "I know these are not facts, but it is something I like to believe in. It gives me moral guidance and hope.." And I respect that very much. Whatever works for you, you know.. And I guess my (very few) religious friends have that view - but I usually stay clear of discussing it with them as such a debate usually turns ugly rather quick.. haha
Religious people always make arguments from incredulity..
"How could the universe be so finely tuned for our existence? What are the chances?
"How could humans not be intelligently designed?"
"How could it be any other explanation?"
It's like they're unable to think any deeper than the easiest "answer" given to them...
I love how e actually let's us here the video
And than stops to all for a few seconds
Other CZcamsr would just stop ever 3seconds
And talk thru the video
Love u videos
Creationism is kind of boring. "First there was nothing, then God created everything". People actually accept an "answer" this simplistic? The problem with this is that people just accept it and don't look any closer, so they don't try to improve, but science does.
The Bible is the best cosmic horror I have read. Probably rivaling the cthulhu mythos.
Agreed. And personally I choose to NOT participate in a bronze age death cult that pines for the "next" life. I'll pass on that
"and it was the god that banged it" - out of context
Awesome Alex. My wife's and her family are hard core so called Catholics,she,and they, don't want to talk about anything regarding intellectual science and awesome educated people. I'm an atheist,it's difficult, because I love her. But why should I listen to all the bullshit they do, praying,churches and stuff. What about my belief? No god. Or gods?. Like scar face said."I'm the bad guy". Oh well. It's hard. . And my kids are, well . I gave the freedom to think by,and for themselves. To Ask questions. About anything. And see for themselves. And After there 18 ,and over, they can decide on what to believe.
leonel olivares letting your kids decide is the right thing to do but Christians tend to indoctrinate their children
"But why should I listen to all the bullshit they do, praying,churches and stuff" There is no WHY. Do it, or do it not.
Lionel olivares - They will always enjoy Santa as he brings the presents.
@AllSeeingEye ofGod " Mathematically Impossible" Given that humans invented mathematics, and humans presumably are not perfect, perhaps the proof is not as perfect as you suppose.
@AllSeeingEye ofGod "Maybe my Statistics are all Wrong" Maybe, but as no one knows the odds you have a slight chance of being correct. However, you seem not to understand one principle of probabilities; the probability of a thing happening, that has already happened, is "1".
Calculating the difficulty of doing it AGAIN is where mathematics, combined with many guesses, happens. Producing amino acids in a laboratory has already happened. Getting them to replicate and organize has not happened and I rather doubt I will see such a thing in my lifetime.
You can see the effects of dark energy and dark matter. You can't see the effects of God
Alex Mitchell are you dumb , how can you not see the effects of God. Yesterday I talked to snake right after I met a person made from dirth, later I was shot dead, but somehow i came back to life, the person who shot me is now in hell and I'm writing this from heaven
lmao
GOD IS REAL IT SAYS SO IN THE BIBLE
AND THE BIBLE IS TRUE, IT SAYS SO IN THE BIBLE
and my caps lock key is broken so i can't join in.
AND IF YOU DONT BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE YOU ARE A FOOL, IT SAYS SO IN THE BIBLE
This was fun being caps-lock theist.
The Kalidor I ALSO HAVE PROOF GOD CREATED THE EARTH
CHECK THE BIBLE IF YOU DONT BELIVE ME
The Kalidor
"caps lock theist" - that's a good one. A new category.
Thank you for making these videos. You've helped me become a critical thinker and to not take everything at face value. Keep up the good work!
"And it was God that banged it"
Might wanna rephrase that, buddy 😂
DUDE WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE ADS? i want to give you money (indirectly)
If god was before the universe then where did god come from, furthermore where does god exist if he exists outside of the universe. Also the absence of evidence is not evidence that something is true in itself, meaning that saying it can't be disproved does not make it true.
Since God created the universe, he can’t have a beginning, time began at the Big Bang so, before that there was no such concept of space time energy or matter. If God existed outside of time that means there he is beyond the fourth dimension which also means he has no start and no end. The same can’t be said for the universe because it came into existence at the same time as time did and it’s effected by it so this universe has a beginning and an end simple.
Anon person Short answer: singularity. The latter is a zone in which time and space either do not exist or their laws stop making sense, it is considered to be a region full of pure and infinite energy, so it contradicts your statement a little bit. It pretty much resembles the Hindu's concept of ''Brahman'' or the kabbalistic ''Ein Sof'', what is known as ''soul'' or ''atman'' is (according to Hindu religion) a shard of that energy source. All of the ancient ''Gods'' came into existence from that singularity, we are just the last ones. When the ''end of the world'' takes place, everything (the universe in its entirety) will shrink back to the Singularity and everything will start from 0 once more. The universe has never been created, it has always existed, it's just ejected from the Singulary (infinity), it expands, reaches a point and the it contracts itself back to where it came from to be ejected once more and so on, it's a crazy process.
TheMetalHero94
That’s mainly just a theory, even to say that the universe will contract back, is just a theory. Since you said singularity I’m thinking you are referring that the universe is similar to a giant black hole. Hawking proposed the idea that black holes could and would die, (resorting in the contracting back into the singularity) but in the end we have no observable evidence, because if we had a black hole the size of the sun, if it does contract, it would take more time for it to disappear then people theorized the universe has been in existence for. Hawking radiation suggests that a black hole could die because Hawking radiation reduces the mass and energy of black holes and is therefore also known as black hole evaporation. Because of this, black holes that do not gain mass through other means are expected to shrink and ultimately vanish. This creates many more problems. what happens to the singularity after the black hole vanishes? Are you suggesting just like how our universe expands contracts rinse and repeats, these new black holes will do the same? And black holes can gain mass through other means too? Who’s to say our universes isn’t gaining mass through others means? There are multiple singularity so if the universe had one why haven’t we found it yet? Why does that singularity overpower the rest? What makes it different from the rest? That’s the problem with theories in general, sometimes they get too out of hand and leave you with more questions than answers.
Where did god come from? Obviously us. Shit happened, we happened to evolve on a rock in space, and we eventually created gods to explain things that we didn't know
''we eventually created gods to explain things that we didn't know'' citation to support your claim?
Brilliant stuff Alex.
Religion or not religion, your kind of reasoning is what a dignified, “soul-searching” human being should strife for.
(I’m 40 years older than you, Cantab alumnus (rivalry!!) yet you are one of my best teachers). PS love your music.
Wow I'm amazed that the length of the video fit the conversation so perfectly. It's almost as if it were designed that way.
*Gasp*
It was the god plan 🙃
The problem with saying God done did it is that you stop looking for the actual answer. Its like saying God makes rainbows. You haven't explained anything by saying that. Then he starts talking about legos and comparing them to biological life and i have to admit after watching that i did say Oh my God!
LMAO I am clearly sure that happened with another things hundreds,maybe thousands years ago.
Religious person : What is that shiny thing in the sky ?
Science : Well,I don't know yet.But I'm working on it.Do you know what that is ?
RP : Umm...ohh...God! That is the God!
Science : I'm pretty sure that's not god.
RP : You don't have an answer! That means mine is true!
Science : I don't think that's how it works.
RP : PRAISE THE SHINY GOD! WHOAAH!
*A FEW DECADES LATER*
RG :Hey,who created the Earth ?
Science : I don't think that's a who.I'm working on that tho.Do you know how the Earth consisted ?
RG : Ummm...ohhh...well...God! God created it!
Science : No I don't think so.You don't have any evidence.
RG : You don't have an answer! That means mine is true!
Science : OH BOY NOT AGAIN...
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Yeah for centuries after our time too,people will still call the things they don't figure out god just because they're too afraid to say 'i don't know'.
i agree under the premise we never find intelligent alien life. but what if we do? what if they rely purely on the mathematics and sciences of the universe and know nothing of a god...who then will be right? thats why i am hoping to find intelligence other than our own...if they, too have the creator as a basis, maybe there is a little more to it...but if not...then we can cease this nonsensical battle
SundayRide1204 i’m never going to rule out the possibility of a god but i will rule out the possibility of the gods of any religion on this earth existing.
Silent Scream the shiny thing in the sky is the sun.
"looks like some kind of dog to me"
"hey, let's call it that, quick write it down"
"i'm not a very good speller"
To my understanding, the basis of the story of creation (within the christian Bible/teachings) comes from writings written in 1450-1400 b.c. pointing to one God where as many civilizations/people went as far as to make their own gods such as the moon and/or sun god like you pointed out in your scenario (pretty humorous btw). How exactly was the earth formed and put together is beyond me, Ill be straight up about that! haha
You make really good and sound arguments its hard to believe that anyone would believe in a being that they cannot see, have only heard about through other sources, and does not conform to the rationale of science.
You don't know, I have a baseless hypothesis, therefore I know everything
-religious people
Agreed, sometimes we get tied up into religious traditions that we forget to dig deeper into what we believe in ourselves! My favorite personal phrase: Find answers to your questions (because even I question what I believe in sometimes) :D
My favorite explanation of natural selection is giraffes. If a giraffe had the genetic mutation of a longer neck, it would be able to reach leaves on trees that other giraffes wouldnt. It therefor becomes stronger and lives longer than other giraffes that may be struggling to survive in a drought of easy to reach food. This animal would also become more likely to repopulate compared to one that is not well nourished, becomes weak and dies quickly. The offspring of the healthy giraffe inherits the traits of its parents. Viola.
david grassley why didn’t the giraffe just eat grass like horses?
Annie Johnson because giraffes aren't lil bitches
And not only that, the trees that giraffes eat leaves from evolve to grow higher and higher, resulting in longer and longer necks. Evolution is fucking awesome.
This might make you appreciate it even more, watch it:
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Annie Johnson because they couldn't sustain their body with the grass,is what I think or they couldn't digest that grass, or there wasn't much grass at that time
If you can prove the existence of God, you have no need for faith.
keep posting. you're doing good stuff. i finished reading noah yuval harari's sapiens recently and was totally fascinated (and educated) by how the human evolution most likely happened. would really love if you could do a video on human evolution, just keep us all updated on how much we know in 10 to 15 minutes. also recommend some good book on evolutionary biology. would really appreciate it. thanks.
Several fabulously enjoyable Alex rants, here, might have to replay multiple times 🤣
that haircut though 👌
that profile pic 👌
That sound of stirring macaroni salad 👌
PTV Turtles 4
6:43 DRINKING GAME! every time he says "particularly" take a shot!
And now I have alcohol poisoning. Thanks a whole bunch
Start a new game with you tubers who start a sentence with so ! wow will you get wasted
“It was god who banged it”
just found your channel. binge watching, subscribed.
The stupidity of the original video is really mind boggling... It makes me so angry that people run around arguing with stupid shit like that and claim to be "right". Just once... only ONE time I'd like to see a reaction from one of the original videos creators to your video.
I believe they will react. Once they've finished teh lego transformers model.
ibuprofen303 If they build it by shaking the box and waiting for the parts to randomly assemble themselves, it's probably gonna take a while.
Wewius
They could always just take whatever their result was and call it a really shit Transformer that has no abilities or mobility whatsoever. "Shitatron the destroyer" or something.
I find it ironic that I come here for words of wisdom and a pragerU ad plays before your video. It's like the stupid people are reaching out and saying "hey, I know you're trying to absorb some information and gain insight, but let me just show you how we misinterpreted an issue.
President Garrison's Pink Strapon It's v funny that fundie end up paying for sceptic's channels :-) I let them run if they're not too long for my nerves.
the 3 points you indicate 12:30 into the video, I remember this concept around the time I learned about punnet squares (which was tons of fun) but I don't necessarily agree that billions of years are what caused the changes. Would love to hear your thought process better as to why you believe the billions of years theory supports/works! (I stand with the creationist view simply through my own self education journey but love to hear other perspectives to help bring better understanding for myself and others) :D
"It was God who banged it". Good stuff. Keep the logic and truth flowing CS. Well done.
Thank you for the excellent entertainment and information. Glad to see your channel grow at a good pace, well deserved!
WHY YOU ARE AN IDIOT What are you even trying to say?
Nothing is funnier than watching creationists trying to make their point using "science" haha
What do you mean?
Nadine,
Science ultimately refutes the biblical creation account, so it’s comical watching a creationist attempt to use it as a defense for their claims.
If a creationist wants to refer to science(examples from video) to prove a part of their Bible, they can’t refute any other part of science(ie evolution,big bang, etc). Science isn’t like the Bible where you can just pick and choose whatever you want, it is there, it’s been tested, and it not up for interpretation.
Glory of the Messiah which part do you not understand ?
Too damn funny
Thank you for making such amazing videos on such sensitive topics
They say if something was different slightly then the universe wouldn't be the same and say its unlikely, they dont consider the unlikely can still occur.
well damn, how old are you? because I think you're my new favorite person.
tristin gatien pretty sure he's 17
Well I am a believer of God and I feel like he is saying...we, as believers, don't know that there is a God...which is 100% true. None of us know the truth whether believers claim they do or not like myself. It is the faith part he is missing. We have faith in a God that cares for His creation. But yes, I totally understand that atheists or believers could be just as wrong as the other...
I never understand that faith part. I was told to have faith. "Why?" I would ask. The answer was usually something along the lines of, "because God is beautiful and supports you and...So on."
If I didn't need God, which I didn't, then what is the purpose of convincing myself to believe in it? Which is what faith is.
I'm perfectly capable of not murdering people without the fear of eternal damnation. I lie when I want to, usually in fairly harmless ways. I'm not much for adultery, I've been cheated on myself... the list of basic moral values goes on along with a basic capacity to function in society, all not for Christianity but the conscious decision to be this way. I'm also perfectly capable of dealing with stress without the necessity to pray.
For a person like me, what purpose does faith serve?
I don't believe there is one.
Which raises the question, do you faith simply because you couldn't manage without it?
This is a very rude question. I know. That's the beauty of being an atheist. One day we'll both be dead, and neither one of us well give a shit, because we'll be dead.
Chase, so you have something you believe in which you have no reason to believe in! This thing you have no reason to believe in, you will also choose to do things in your life based upon this thing!
Think about that and ask yourself if it's a good thing to do things for no good reason!
Great video, Alex. Thank you for sharing it! :D
The video you responded to here is actually well done though. Like usually these are boring or ugly but this one's fun XD
To CosmicSkeptic, or any other philosopher:
I will forewarn by saying I am myself an Atheist, and a philosopher in training.
I have for a long time proven quite conclusively to myself that the Christian God is a nonsense idea, and many of the ideas that I followed to reach that conclusion are addressed in your videos- however, my Atheism isn't based on any such logic, instead it is based on personal experiences in my life. As such, and as my dual degree I am currently working on is scientific in nature, I feel the need to address a difficult question I have not so far been able to answer, which goes like this:
Putting all personal reasoning aside, is not the most logical state of belief Agnosticism? I have thus far been unable to find any justifiable reason to say that we should assert the idea of their being no God over anyone else's belief in a God- I am aware that you constantly state that Atheism is not an active state of belief, but this for me doesn't address the issue.
We are scientists, and I feel it is our duty as such to follow the logic as it is presented, not as we assume it to be; we regard the null state of existence, the most logical one to be that there is no Prime Mover of any kind, but I cannot see any way in which we have proven (and by proven, I mean of course amassed a significant enough amount of evidence) that this is the case over the possibility that there may be one.
The only argument I can seem to perceive is that the burden of proof is on theists, but again, this seems insufficient; we are not trying to disprove an assertion any tea set orbiting a far away planet, we are attempting to assert our reality.
I guess the best way to phrase it is this: to me, proving that everyone else's ideas thus far are wrong does not make our ideas right, and we do not have any evidence to say that our own ideas are the best solutions we can feasibly come up with, as is normally the case in science. Why not a prime mover?
On this, I am stuck. Perhaps you have some ideas?
Luka Saracen I think it would help to get our terms straight.
Theism: this one is easy, the belief that a deity exists.
Agnosticism: this is also easy, the admittance of ignorance as to the existence of a deity. Although, you can separate two classes of agnostics, the ordinary and the ornery. The ordinary agnostic only states that they do not know wether a deity exists. The ornery agnostic makes a claim that it is not possible to yet know of ever know wether a deity exists.
Atheism: this is nowhere near as easy as the former two. The debate of the definition of this word alone is almost as heated as the debate about god, however to keep it short, I will lay out the bare branches:
1. Traditional philosophical atheism is not the faith or religion of the absence of god, but the proposition that a or no god exists. This is the traditional and really official definition, however if I use this definition I seem to upset many of my fellow atheists, but let me explain further.
2. A-theism. The definition atheists have adopted is not necessarily wrong, however it is not justified for them to get angry when the traditional definition is used. What modern atheists use is what is A-theism. This is using the long A. Atheism, with the short A traditionally means the proposition that god does not exist. A-theism means non-theism or the absence of theism. Atheists just use the short A because "a-theism" sounds pretty silly.
3. Atheism (positive and negative or atheism and a-theism): atheism, as I have said, is traditionally the proposition that god does not exist. However, because the terms are horribly mixed and debated, I like to use the terms positive and negative as a clarification. A positive atheist is one who proposes god as nonexistent and the negative atheist is one who withholds a position or belief.
So now that we have established definitions, I think we should see which is the most reasonable and rational.
First, let me say that a position, contrary to what you and many may think, does not need to be backed by one hundred percent certainty to be held. For example, I am not one hundred percent certain Socrates lived, but I do believe he did. So I think this rule applies to god.
Theism: because I am not a theist, I don't think this is the most rational to hold because I have not been convinced any of the reasons given for this position are tenable. I think you would agree with me.
Agnosticism: personally, like Hitchens, I don't too much like this position. I think what one would have to do is prove that the case for theism and the case for atheism are both equal, and therefore concluding that it is not reasonable to hold one position before another. I think this is absurd.
Atheism: I think any one of these positions are reasonable to hold because these are more probable than the position held by the theist. And I think the atheist position can be justified both by the lack of good reason to believe in god and by the arguments against god.
Which case may include:
The logical argument from evil, the hiddenness of god, the evidential problem of evil, the Big Bang cosmological argument for atheism, the evidence for monism as apposed to dualism, the asymmetry of religious belief in the world, the metaphysical absurdity of dualism, and so on. These are arguments for atheism, the proposition that god does not exist. If you are not persuaded by these arguments more than by the theistic ones, you are not an atheist.
If you are worried about proof against a "prime mover" which may seem difficult to disprove remember two key points in what I have said:
1) it does not depend upon certainty, only probability.
2) the probability of a prime mover is, IMO, lower given the BB cosmological argument for atheism and the absurdity of dualism.
Luka Saracen before I answer your question, why do you call yourself an atheist although you think that agnosticism is a more rational position?
I assume that you think that atheism and agnosticism are mutually exclusive which is not true. Atheism describes a lack of BELIEF in god/s while agnosticism describes a lack of ABSOLUTE KNOWLEDGE about the existence of god/s. An atheist isn't obliged to give an explanation, unless he is gnostic (claims absolute knowledge) or until the theist presents him evidence.
The theist believes that god "banged" the universe while the atheist believes that there was a naturalistic cause. Since you study philosophy I assume you are aware of okkam's razor. Every phenomena once believed to be the doing of a god has been proven to be caused by natural processes, so it isn't a very big claim to make that the universe was also caused by natural processes compared to the claim that it was created by a being which would have to be even more complex than the universe it created, which would mean that it would require an even more complex creator and so on. At this point the theist probably claims that god has always existed which would also mean that it could be possible for the initial energy of the universe to have existed for eternity and that just brings us back to okkam's razor.
jordan w Thank you for your comment, I will reply in time but I would have to research all of the topics you brought up before I reply; I haven't encountered all of them before.
I would like to stress- I am an atheist. My doubt doesn't come from any form of wavering on that front; I am fully convinced there is no God. What I am saying is, that I did not entirely reach that point on the basis of logical reasoning alone, and find that it would be difficult to do so.
Kertesian Taker I think you've missed my point. I don't believe that a Prime Mover exists; my point is that, as a concept, it's a fairly logical one. There are more logical ones, but that's one everyone knows. The thing is, there's no real trap in the idea of a Prime Mover, as there is in the Christian God (Problem of Evil etc.), and while you might talk about how "convoluted" it is, you aren't really successfully ruling it out there. My point is, there's precious little evidence that there is NO God, only plenty of evidence to say there isn't any God like a God any theists believe in today. Ergo, why are we entitled to feel even probably true in our assertion that there is no God?
I'd also appreciate it if you didn't insult the field of Philosophy, please.
Samuel Wahab Personal experiences during my childhood. I was raised a Protestant, but lost my father at an early age and went through a succession of shitty life experiences, at which point I decided that if there really was any kind of God at all, then He wasn't worth believing in. I renounced faith formally at nine, and have since committed my life to logically backing up that decision.
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6:22 THIS. All questions are part of this universe. So literally existence and any questions related to the universe is within this universe.
14:40 "sending me to play with lego" vs "sending me to biology class"