One thing I like about Warhammer 40K over Star Wars is the Galaxy feels larger. In Star Wars, characters will move across the Galaxy to get to a location, with the logistics as an afterthought. In 40K characters deal with diverse logistical problems like “hell is splitting the Galaxy in half, the navigator died, the geller field is broken, the warp isn’t calm right now”
Want to travel to this one system? Funny man you, you arrive 800 years in the future. Or you arrive before you even left. Or you never arrive and are trapped in the warp getting a chainaxe rammed up where the sun doesn't shine.
Yeah the star wars galaxy never felt that big outside of legends stuff and with Disney it feels even more smaller like its always the same six or soo planets like tattooine, hoth, kamino, naboo, etc or a copy of the aforementioned made worse by the fact that those planets aren't even relevant like the only relevant things about tattooine was that the skywalkers originate there and that Jabba the hutt lives there other than these it's just another one of the countless unimportant worlds in the outer rim soo much soo the separatists never bothered even visit the place let alone invade it
Problem is than in Star wars speed is the same all the time. In Wathammer the speed is as fast as the plot demands it, which just opens the seting for some masive plot armour for some characters. Also in Star Wars there are a few fast travel lanes which alow for diferent speeds to be used. Sadly they are barely used in the films/shows. And bouth galaxsies feall small to be fair, armies and battles are extremely small, every planet has like at best 6 cities in it and is councured in days or mounths.
Yeah but, a hive-city in 40K is so massive with so many citizens that earth for example would only be able to sustain one hive-city and if super specialized for hive-city sustainability maybe two or three. Grand capital hive-cities in 40K, the biggest hive-cities in an entire galactic-sector(maybe 100-5000 planets in one sector) cover much of the entire planet and is sustained through import from basically every agri-world in their sector(an entire world purely dedicated to farming as much food as mathematically possible in disregard of human safety for more production). Holy Terra is a lot like Coruscant in that the entire world is basically converted to one giant clusterfuck of a city and the imperial palace cover the entire south-american continent.@@stefankatsarov5806
They just killed my universe, the one I grew up with, the one i loved and will love for ever. But now I just love the Emperor, his light, his guidance, his wrath against the dark forces.
For me, as a Clone Wars kid, now that the Clone Wars are well and truly over, I kinda just don't feel the same attraction to Star Wars. I do enjoy the Galactic Civil War, but honestly it just doesn't quite feel the same. I think I've always just preferred the more dramatic, all-out warfare of the Clone Wars, the grand armies clashing on sprawling battlefields. For some of us, the Clone Wars never truly ended.
Oh brother you are about as lukewarm and casual as it gets. Newsflash: The cartoon you grew up watching is heavily responsible for the watering down of current lore and the "kiddie" tone the entire franchise has taken as a result. I prefer the grounded nuance of the Galactic Civil War for a plethora of reasons. I also prefer my combat to be brutal and unforgiving for both sides. Not this nonsense that has been done to death where some plucky group of rejects just somehow guns down hundreds of crack fighting troops. I care more about humans and their motivations for fighting in the Empire compared to the organic slave army that Clone Wars kids worship. I had a clonetard phase too...when I was twelve. Get over it. And you're a Communist? Yeah get out of here. Gatekeeping exists for a reason.@@classcommie
@@Grabthar191 On the contrary, the Rings of Power treatment means he'll get complete creative control over his project like the woke bots that made that trashfire.
Warhammer actually handled well their old lore, while Star Wars ignored everything "legends" have criated, Warhammer kept it. I used to be huge SW nerd, im with warhammer now :)
That isn't exactly true... Remember the Half-eldar? No longer Canon. The chaos squats, no longer Canon. Obi-wan Sherlock whatever that last name was... Also no longer Canon. Warhammer retcons a lot of things.
@@jpfg2713 I mean Obi-wan Sherlock Clousseau is probably still cannon its just we never heard of him ever again after rogue trader. Also squats are technically not cannon it's what Leagues of Votann ? so saying Chaos squats are not cannon is like saying they are a redcon of a redcon. Only thing I won't say anything is Half-Eldar.
@@jpfg2713personally the only retcon I care about is the lore of the God Emperor hesitating to kill Horus because he loved him, only when he saw his son kill Sanguinius and that random Guardsmen that he realized that Horus is no longer there. The current lore makes it seem more like the emperor is going "tactics tactics tactics, muh plan is to blablabla." Granted the final Horus Heresy book isn't here yet so for all we know it'll end in the same way, but damn making the emperor be so indifferent in the second to the last book really retcons that dynamic I enjoyed the most
Dude ive lost track of how much shit gets retconned out of existence in 40k 40k could probably make an entirely new continuity out of all the stuff thats no longer canon to the series. Chaos Android Necrons, Chaos Squats, Half Eldar Half Human hybrids, Malaal, Tau FTL technology, and more. Hell the birth of godamn Slaanesh was retconned out of existence and now the War in Heaven somehow had all four Chaos Gods fighting in it.
@@jpfg2713 that's not true, there is the rule that everything that the fan decides that is canon is canon, so if they are canon, it doesn't matter if GW canonizes or decanonizes things as such since there will always be contradictions and inconsistencies in the universe to which everyone has their own canon of how the universe works, besides that said the same former director of the black library XD.
A trait I love about Warhammer is their policy about their own lore. Things get retconned here and there, or reintroduced, but they treat the lore as if every piece of it is someone's telling of events, fallible and biased. It leaves room for authors and the company at large to pick and choose pieces they want to work with or exclude without it being a whole crack in the overall story. The lore is more fluid than constant. That, and ever since WH was a tabletop first and foremost, they focused on letting people have their own lore, and basically saying "as long as you don't conflict with this preset stuff, whatever you want to be lore, is the lore." It was the original reason for the Lost primarchs and legions, those were a kind of "Build your own space marine" thing with lore to back it up.
The (non) issue with that is considering how much the likes of Horus, Magnus and Lorgar screwed up, it seems almost impossible for the lost legions to have done worse.
@@boooster101The difference is you don't have characters necessarily talk about them in a bad light. The Traitor Primarchs are easy to paint as evil for the average imperial citizen, but maybe what the lost Primarchs did, didn't make it so easy(like peaceful cooperation with xenos for example).
@@Oppen1945 Xenos didn't and don't make it easy, either. Eldar - "Just one more tiny tainy bloody orgy will not create a new chaos god and condemn our souls to it, probably.", Orcs - "Whack fol the daddyo.", Tau "Would you like to hear the good word of the Greater Good?", Necrons - "Get the f*ck off my lawn!", Tyranids - "Nom nom nom."
Star Wars did do other genres in the books...the ones that Disney wiped their ass with. They did heists, grimdark, war, spies and espionage, horror, eldritch horror, body horror...The Expanded Universe was where they got to show that the universe was indeed just as big and expansive as we all knew it was.
I would have loved Star Wars if they would have sticker to Legends. Instead they destroyed it. It was already over for me when stey did Clone Wars, which I didn't enjoy because it was very childish and with the sequels they burned it completly.
The cutest thing about nurgle was that story about Ku'Gath and how he felt bad about drinking all of Nurgles toxic soup so he went out to try and recreate it
Ku'Gath: I'm so sorry, grandfather. I'll make it up to you! *rushes to create the greatest pestilence and disease* Nurgle : *sniff* My children grow up so fast!
I actually migrated to 40K from Halo. The best part is getting to feel like you're only on the cusp of a greater universe. I really used to feel that with Halo, but with 40K, you genuinely get the sense that there's more to this galaxy than just a handful of named planets and solar systems.
Same here. For me I think my departure from Halo was how 343 handled the lore regarding the forerunners. When Bungie has the reigns the forerunners felt mysterious and there was room to theorize. After 343 took over that whole aspect of the life just dissipated. That and the whole “showing the human side of chief” just killed the main protagonist of the whole series.
For me it was more like "Who the hell does this?" with Halo. The whole setting hinges on one idiotic misunderstanding of the smart aliens by the stupid aliens. Otherwise it's just very limited. It's just aliens against humans for the 100th time, and not in the 40k way, where aliens have nuance. Sure, there's a bunch of them and there's some lore about them but the only ones that are flashed out are elites and even then it's only because they think that humans are neat. 343 are to do something new but have been failing dramatically.
40K lore Star wars lore Halo lore Halo is an interesting setting but lacks the cool details both 40K and Star wars has, with Halo you only learn about the secret nasty shit ONI does, it's never about fleshing out the setting, it's only to point a finger at a in-universe conspiracy but I don't care if ONI is using civilians for tests because I don't know what life is like for the average Joe aside from "they exist"
Some fun 40K lore tidbits, to go studying, if you haven't heard of them. First, the Q;orl. Alien species. They don't have rules for tabletop... but are probably a bigger deal than a few factions that do, and constitute a giant "Don't go here, don't piss them off" for the Imperium. The Megarachnids. Another alien, these guys are notable for the details about the golden age of humanity they connect to. The Tulchulcha Engine. The less I tell you up front, the better. It's a rabbit hole. Enslavers Not terribly interesting by themselves, but they're a good jumping off point into learning how... weird, the Warp was, and what it was like before all the demons.
Halo was cool but the current state of the franchise is similar to Star Wars: a new company is changing everything and it's not special anymore. The Halo TV show is a complete mess. 40k is probably the only franchise that is still not corrupted by this ton of nonsense.
It’s so sad, because I too was a big Star Wars guy. I remember a time when we could give 40k a run for their money in terms of grimdark, tragedy, and darkness. I’m reminded of how in Book of Boba Fett, he befriended a group of flamboyant speeder bikers who disrespected him. Old Lore Fett would’ve left their burning corpses hanging from outside the town, and moved on to the next bounty.
No, colourful mopes. On Tattoofuckingine. COLOURFUL. Bright. Shiny. They would have looked good on Corrusant but they should be beaten on T. Even if not a total wreck, looking as if they get both cleaned & painted, but also constant sand blasted. Like Luke's Speeder. He loved it, but the DESERT PLANET takes a toll. And they can afford speeder bikes and cyborg bellies, but not water. etc etc
This kinda just reads like someone going "ooh yeah edgy = serious". While I don't think its a great show, it certainly would've been dumb. The shows Boba Fett is much older, and jaded. He's experienced to a point of being tired with the game, he doesn't care about bounties in the same way as one of the dozens of interpretations of legends Boba Fett and thats a narrative decision, not some breakaway with a characters key personality traits. People grow, not everyone is a one dimensional killer like Darth Vader is often portrayed. There is a very real problem with balancing "grimdark" with actual good storytelling, and 40k knows this well, they essentially ruined their own Ynnari and Aeldar storylines by continuing to backtrack and lower their powerlevel and importance, which has resulted in a faction of spirit seers and fate based people being shown repeatedly to not embody those characteristics successfully. One could also acknowledge how 40k's writing has often just killed off storylines to give the impression of a never-ending conflict as the main theme. This leads to frustrated readers who had grown interested in the developments of storylines, such as Warzone Charadon, axing one of the only named characters in the Adeptus Mechanicus for no narrative value, and removing a well liked Metalica Marshal.
@@dlf7789 It's not that edgy = serious, it's that they sanitized the character. If they wanted a huggable Mandalorian with a heart of gold, they should have kept making more Mandalorian episodes. Hell, Mando ended up stealing a good chunk of the screen time anyway.
@@dlf7789 All I'm sayin' is, old Lore Fett wouldn't take shit. You mess with the greatest hunter in history, and I expect dire consequences, even if he isn't hunting anymore. He's meant to be a crime boss now for God's sake, no Hutt or Black Sun would allow themselves to look that weak. And it's not just that; the Yuzhaan Vong arc couldn't exist in modern Disney Star Wars. Having a threat that made the Rebels V.S. Empire dynamic more than just a good/evil paradigm wouldn't be allowed. There was no nuance given to the First Order, and I doubt they'd ever do it if given a second chance with old Lore. You see them doing it now with Thrawn; what's his plan? Restart the Empire? Why? His whole deal is that he gives zero shits about the Empire, he just needs a more powerful military to help the Chiss prepare for the aforementioned Vong. But I doubt he'll get that credit, he'll be defeated and everything will be peachy until linking with Force Awakens. It's not just the lack of edginess, more so that there isn't any sense of actual WAR in Star WARS. The Prequels showed outright massive battles between the Clones and Droids, and the OT gave the impression that larger operations happened behind the curtain of what we were shown. But the Sequels? How am I supposed to believe that this upstart, nobody faction blows up five planets and now the entire New Republic faction ceases to be? This didn't happen to the old Lore Empire after the 2nd Death Star; they owned the damn Galaxy with millions of Troopers, Star Destroyers, munitions, and even a couple SSDs. THAT Empire had to have peace treaties signed between the Imperial Remnant and the New Republic. But the Republic in this version? Gone. I guess they had like, one battle fleet built in 30 years, and never thought to deploy it? This is like two or three of the hundreds of gripes I have these days. Do ya see how frustrating it is, to see such a rich and vibrant cosmos reduced to half-baked good guy/bad guy slap fights?
@@sirbenkenobi9495 New lore Fett still doesn't take shit, he's just learned when to use the carrot and when to use the stick. Some battles don't need to be fought, the biker gang being a good case in point. He *could* just kill them for disrespecting him, but that wouldn't gain him anything, instead he cracked the whip once and then made them an offer they couldn't refuse, one which paid dividends by the end of Book of Boba Fett,
I was introduced to WH40K before even laying my eyes on SW Episode 4. Switched to SW and Dune then. Somehow, the Astronomican led me back to the Emperor's light after all these years.
It started with a certain international khazarian tribe buying then controling Disney, turning into a conglomerate that buys all franchises to subvert them
40K truly has something for everyone . It has some of the darkest and most fucked up things you can imagine , like some of the events in Horus heresy . Also after ready infinite and the divine I found it ironic that two soulless robots (Trazyn and Orikan) have more soul and humor than any other character in the series . Them two are comedic gold ! But the scope is what really gets me . 18 legions of space marines , pretty much unlimited chapters of them , titans , nuns with guns , funny orcs , space elves and spicy space elves , chaos gods and demons . The themes are also great but one I love the most is that power always cost something . Like in star wars they can just use the force as much as they want pretty much but in 40K there’s consequences for overusing the warp . Or if you want to be a space marine , the trials are fucked up and brutal depending on the chapter but even the process of being bioengineered into an astartes is horrific . 40K , while being arguably my favorite fictional universe , is the #1 fictional universe I would NOT want to live in
Warhammer acknowledges it has funny stuff in the lore and embraces it, as well as all the fan content and games Star Wars says "no, all that content you made up until we made Rey, is not canon anymore"
@@tiggerbane4325 GW never C&D'd any fan series. They released a new policy that made it clear anyone who tried to profit off of their franchise with fanworks would be C&D'd. Yet not a single thing was C&D'd in the end because they instead hired all the talented creators to make official shows for them. Emperor's TTS was canceled out of protest without receiving a single demand from GW to stop producing content, because Alfabusa chose a weird hill to die on expecting that the fanbase was about to be crushed by lawyers (it wasn't). The boycott was by people who never purchased GW products in the first place, secondary fans of 40k through things like Emperor's TTS, affecting zero of GW's profit margins. It's all so stupid.
@@Spino-hx2mr You mean when they hired the creators, paid them for their creations, and put them on their own streaming service? How horrible. Truly GW has ruined Warhammer for everyone by making fan content official content.
The moral concepts at the center of Warhammer 40k are "How far are you willing to go to defend your groups interests in the worst situation imaginable?" "What ancient, storied race do you believe has the right to inherit the stars and shape reality to their will?", "Is the chaos and horror of unconstrained human nature and will preferable to a barely functional and deeply immoral civilized construct, or is any order better than survival of the fittest?", "Where do you draw the line of what can and cant be done in war?", "At what point do you consider a civilization unsalvageable?" "How much can you justify sacrificing for existential security?", "What actually are good and evil in a world defined by a false god?" "How should you act when confronted by an environment that hates you?" and "What are the consequences of your answers to all these questions?" The moral concepts at the center of star wars is "Do you believe in might makes right totalitarianism or corrupt and bureaucratic democracy?" possibly followed by "Oh sorry guess you chose wrong! Should we make the correct answer more obvious for you?"
What I like about 40k is that it embraces creativity. I ended up making an entire space marine chapter, 4 sister of battle orders, a few guardsman regiments, an Eldar Craftworld, and a Necron Dynasty. Can’t really make your own sub faction with Star Wars however. Still love playing the Old Republic MMO though.
Star Wars felt so predictable and empty after a while.. when I was a kid I was a devout star wars fan, but I always felt it was missing something. Then I found a picture of a warlord titan, and fell down the 40k rabbit hole. I love it I just finished macarius crusade and am halfway through the eisenhorn books!
you started good, eisenhorn books are legendary. If you want a good space marine book sometime, I'd recommend Helsreach one of my favorites. If you don't want to read it you can watch the fan movie helsreach, it's really good as well. Well...for a fan made product.
There is so much variety in 40k, and like you said, there pretty much is a faction for anyone if you look hard enough. That said, I still find it crazy that with all this variety, I've still seen people wanting to change the current factions' lore to accommodate "inclusivity", mainly Space Marines (because apparently there can't be any male only space ever)
Those people who want female space marines always seem to ignore the Sisters of Battle, could never understand it. There's your badass female subfaction right there and they just ignore it.
"Why aren't there any WOMAN space marine?!! Why can't there be an eMpEresSS!"-Woketards "For the same reason there aren't female Navy seals."- my usual response
I got into 40K just over 2 years ago… and I’ve listened to or read over 50 Horus Heresy/40k books, and I’ve only encountered 1 or 2 bad books. The authors are fantastic. The characters are fun and interesting. The Grimdark setting just sucks you in, and doesn’t let go.
2002-2003 40k fan here: The Horus Heresy books might be a bit all over the place in quality (and as a guy who's a xenos player I grew sick of the series before the 'Siege of Terra' started. There's *_a lot_* more to the setting than one of the biggest and most destructive family feuds in science fiction damn it!), but you've lucked out. Some of the older books in the 90s were, uh... weird to say the least.
Warhammer 40k: where the jedi dont just ignore the child kidnapping & abuse, but actively encourage it and escalate it. Where the empire was truly the lesser evil, where the rebellion was created and run by the empire to eliminate dissidents, etc
Blowing up a Death Star in Star Wars: Kills an Empire. Blowing up a death star- Lowercase ‘d’, lowercase ‘s’: Just another day in the 41st Millennium where there is Only War.
Might just personally be me but I enjoyed how warhammer 40k handles mature themes without forcing them to involve sex scenes or depict nudity on top of that it is also more easily available in Europe than other English media
Star Wars has become so anemic because ultimately it’s a story with a setting, whereas 40K is a setting in which literally any type of story may take place. The setting is so vast and varied, you can tell whatever story you want without hurting anyone else’s story.
That's not true. Star Wars has become anemic BECAUSE Disney chose to write it into a tiny corner of Rebels vs Empire, while throwing away the Expanded Universe.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 agreed, although OP still has a point. As varied as the EU was in characters, eras and so on, you can still summarize the major conflicts to a cycle of Jedi vs. Sith (or light side vs dark side) directly or indirectly plunging the Galaxy into chaos, all the way back from Dawn of The Jedi to centuries past the OT in the Legacy comics. Which isn't necessarily bad in itself, I do enjoy the "simplicity"of its formula and the variations that come with each iteration of the telling, but it's true that it gets to a point it's preferable to end the timeline with the New Jedi Order, like many people seem to do, instead of keep bringing Darksiders back and sort of undermining Anakin's sacrifice.
I really love 40k. I used to be a Star Wars fan, but it feels so... nothing... It feels like the franchise has no future and the future it did have was forgotten. 40k is staying true to itself (I've read books from 2012 and nowadays and 40k is still the bombastic insane grimdark it always has been.) 40k is also paving a future for itself with some really cool lore (the Cicatrix Maledictum is super cool) they stumbled with Primaris, but now, the recent models "got the magic" again. 40k learned their lesson as they expanded and are trucking along in a spectacular way. Everything is cool as hell, everything is huge, every book is at least a fun read, and that's something I cannot say about Star Wars.
That’s the same feeling with Star Wars as was the halo franchise everything just went downhill and there’s nowhere to go particularly and I find Warhammer and it’s very interesting..
Star Wars could've had lore and story on-par or even surpassing 40K, instead we have color coded troopers to signify rank and an entire legends lore setting that was thrown out.. If I were to call Star wars anything it'd be wasted potential
@@CCA.C17.SQL.02Idot The worst part is.. all Disney had to do. All they had to do, after declaring Legends non-canon? Was introduce the Yuuzhan Vong. Have the first movie be the Republic playing the role of the empire eliminating the last holdouts of the old Empire (First Order), while Rey undergoes her original story arc. Kylo/Ben Solo would be present as one of Luke's most aspiring padawans, and even take a hand in helping Rey learn the power of the force once encountered on that desert world in the death throes of the Empire's storyline. During the conflict, Han Solo (who is the general of the republic in this version, while Leiah is it's diplomatic ruler/Queen) is killed by the first order, which drives Kylo/Ben to the brink and leads him to mingle with the dark side's abilities as he seeks vengeance against these mongrels for what they did to his father. Then, in the second movie, you would have the first fringes come under siege from the Yuuzhan Vong while the Republic has to also solve some issues with the black market or perhaps in Hutt space. In this movie, Kylo/Ben would be tempted further towards the dark side both in his dealings with the Hutts, and in finding a world that houses Sith Holocrons and temples, where he can study it further. In the third movie, you would begin the full focus into finally addressing the Yuuzhan Vong and attempting to stave them away, with Kylo returning seeming to have embraced embraced the dark side in it's entirety as "Kylo Ren".. until his lightsaber ignites, revealing an orange blade. He casts Sith Lightning, but instead of the blue that Luke expected, it's yellow. The color of Judgement. Thus, superseding Luke, Kylo becomes the first "Official" Gray Jedi, and is welcomed by his former Master after realizing that he's found his way back to the Light. This in turn leads to the entire Jedi Order receiving a paradigm shift as certain abilities cease to be taboo, and the focus becomes upon the will of the force, as opposed to dark and light. The Yuuzhan Vong could be eliminated in that third movie, or you could take it a step further and break the cycle of trilogies by introducing a fourth movie, which would have a call across the republic for any who wish to learn the will of the Force to find their way to the Jedi Temple for training in the ways of the Jedi, so as to bring all able bodied padawans to hand for the conflict in order to save the galaxy and the Republic. The ending of this movie would have some mirroring/callbacks to the end of Return of the Jedi, as the Galaxy enters a golden age with the newly restored and reformed Jedi Order, and peace from Hutt space to the historical holdings of the Empire. For now.
Although it's nice to see new people coming into the warhammer franchise, I fear that those that ruin star wars would also come in and ruin the lore and setting of 40k as well just like they did with star wars legend books.
I think what also makes Warhammer more interesting is how you can actively participate in the lore. TI heard of battles done in tabletop that have been made canon, and you can read a whole book series of just part of a battle that ends up being apart of a bigger battle.
yep. They actually can make any tabletop battle as canon according how big scale they playing with. The imperium can throw billions of soldier into a meat grinder and loosing them all in a second along with a few solar system is not a civilisation-forming tragedy but a sleepy Thursday for them.
The thing I love the most about Warhammer videos is how much stories people write in the comment. Stories that are for the most good enough, respectful enough with the already established lore, and according enough to the idea Games Workshop has of their stories being remade by the fans, that they just can become canon. Those few stories are definitely canon in my heart.
Got into 40k a bit after The Last Jedi came out. I knew after coming out of the theater that SW wasn't for me anymore. So it filled a SW sized hole in my heart. At this point, I love 40k way more than I ever enjoyed Star Wars.
Same bro same. I was a lifelong starwars fan. My heart still aches after seeing that murder of my childhood. I don't want to dwell on it too hard, it makes me tear up to think about. I felt like I couldn't get into anything or feel passionate about something anymore because it would be destroyed/sanitized beyond recognition in short order. I discovered 40K like a dude discovering love again for the first time after a terrible breakup.
@@caelestigladii The mouse is public domain now. They ran out of money to bribe the feds to increase the lifespan of copyrights. Here's hoping they go under before that happens.
@@caelestigladii wouldn't be too surprised, but at the same time, what gives me hope is that they've proven to be very protective of their IP. Hopefully it continues.
Im a lifelong star wars fan who grew up in the early 2000s star wars era, the glory days. I got into Warhammer 40k in 2015, as it was different and kind of like a darker more in depth star wars. It actually respects older lore by instead of murdering it, its incorporated smartly. New books make amends with new and old lore and it works. Star wars has been nothing but downhill with a few good things here and there. Warhammer 40k has been a pleasure that has replaced star wars for me ever since. I will still always love star wars but Warhammer 40k takes the cake. There is something for everyone, strong character based stories, history based influences, military stories, dramas, fantasy stories, wizards in space, demons, angels, advanced sci fi tech, fantasy races like orks and dwarfs, comic book villains, and evil heroes. 40k is getting bigger for a reason.
The orks are propa funny, especially if you play a game or watch something with ork vas, because GW is a British company the Orks canonically are just big green angry brits
Two things brought me to Warhammer, watching TLJ back in 2017 and buying a Dawn of War collection in Steam for almost nothing. Honestly, I have no regrets, all the depth SW had was erased with the 40+ years of the Expanded Universe being deleted by Darth Mickey the Dumb.
I'm very similar. I still love my Star Wars, but lately it just doesn't interest me like it used to and I'm one of the few that actually liked the sequel trilogy. Though I will admit that Episode 9 weakens the trilogy a bit. Now with WH40K, there's always something interesting to find, they keep adding to the lore with a decent amount of faithfulness and just feels truly massive and epic.
One thing that really grabbed me about 40k, was just that, 40,000 years. It is not millions of years from present, which immediately throws up a big psychological barrier between you and the setting. 40,000 years is still an incredible span of time, but far more grounded and realistic, and I at least really felt that.
Man this hit my soul, I was one of the biggest starwars fan boys out there an now I just couldn't care less about it. I always liked warhammer as a kid but like looking threw a shop window at the cool thing on display I never got into it. In the last year it has absorbed my life. It's absolutely incredible and scratches the itch I so longed for.
The biggest problem star wars has is that the people in charge are thinking that star wars HAS to be some kind of space western. I mean why not doing something different like political thriller, mystery or horror.
Andor is probably one of the best Star Wars series and that definitely had a political thriller vibe, Shame it’s probably the only good series to come out recently
@@CCA.C17.SQL.02Idot Hell, even when it's "Space Western", it's not. It's always some contrived narrative that MUST include Jedi, the Empire, and THE FATE OF THE WHOLE GALAXY I mean, you *could* theoretically make a very cool 'space western' on one little planet without involving anything but 'scum and villainy'. Also, unpopular opinion: There should totally be a comedy about Stormtroopers (or variations of troopers) just getting into 'GI antics' the way actual soldiers goof off and screw around.
@@elijahherstal776 I think a show about the life of a stormtrooper would be fucking brilliant, hell you could even talk to actual soldiers for first hand accounts of how they goofed off during their downtime and even explore themes of stormtrooper PTSD. I'm just so tired of Star wars films having special characters, every single one has to look unique or be their own special snowflake in some way, I want to relate to the characters not put them on a pedestal.
I only started diving deeper into the 40k lore like 4 years ago and I'm 80+ books in now. This universe just consumed me over the last few years and there is still so much to read, so much to learn and so much to come.
Former Star Wars fan here, although I didn’t get into 40k because of the death of Star Wars. I just got tired of hearing things about 40k and not knowing anything about it. Been invested in 40k for 3 years now
When Star wars fans decide it's time to actually read some books,they become Warhammer 40k fans! Although it's impossible to read all the 40k books i want to because there's so many and always more coming out!
You could be surprised at how many W40k books and other things are out there. And GW seems determined to make MORE and MORE. In the Black Library alone (GW publishing brand), there are 492 W40k Novels, NOT COUNTING the Horus Heresy stuff which despite being the same univers has it's own section and are like another 105 books. There have to be also some pre-black library stuff, but can't be too many. The thing is they keep coming, and coming at an accelerated rate. Just talking novels though. @@ulrichstoffer4429
@@hemlocktea6643 Cause SW now is divided by "legends" and "canon". The canon was created by Disney, who simply made old books, comics on the Expanded Universe (original canon) non-canon and called them "legends", killing the universe with their "edits". Of course people will talk about TV shows and movies, because now only Disney with its "canon" can produce them, they own SW after all, and people hate it
As a lifelong Star Wars fan I wish I got into 40k earlier. I saw Astartes in 2020 and that got me hooked. I've been saying ever since 40k is basically Star Wars but cooler.
I used to be in love with Star Wars Legends. Peak for me was probably modded Empire at War. A little after the new SW series was released and all Expanded Universe was swept under the rug, I started reading Imperial Guard novels on my breaks. I remember anxiously awaiting for TTS when those were still dropping because I fell in love with that. Around Corona Virus I went down the lore rabbit holes and I’ve never looked back. Praise the God Emprah. Also, It is cool to have joined the hobby, then witnessed mind boggling events to even long time fans such as the breaking of Cadia, the rise of Guillimane, and the return of the Lion. Constantly evolving setting.
It is so funny to see 40K be referred to as a constantly evolving setting because it was a big complaint until recently with Guilliman's resurrection that GW was not advancing the timeline and that we had been stuck in year 40.999 for decades. Thought of course it is true that currently 40K storyline is advancing (even if there are people who are critical of the advancements, especially with the Primaris).
The TTS is in my heart forever, it’s a pity that I found out about them only after they have already closed it. I still blame GW for that! Little kitten FOREVER!!!
People who complain about "lack" of grimdark dont understand you cant always add water to a cup. You need to remove some to add more later. Of course, you also cant remove it all and turn it into pure memehammer.
Yes but earlier editions were exactly that, an excessive and cheesy meme. Imperium was bad just because they were a bunch of fanatics and schizoids. I agree with you that more nuance is good for the setting, but that original flavour was lost, so in the end we have a more conventional and streamline tone now. There's the risk this is going to turn into a "yet another sci-fi setting with some fantasy elements" like Star Wars became.
@@ganjacomo2005 depends, how many star wars are we letting in, most of them abandoned star wars not to any real fault of thier own, but this is the modern audience. With 40k fans you can go with the mechanicus think tech is magic or that they understand tech but in a very religious way that seems absurd. Star wars fans sit in the 'dont care' region and that is an issue.
Having read so many Star Wars novels from Old Republic to High era and Yuuzhan Vong war, played nearly all games, Republic Commando x100... there are no words to describe my sorrow at such tragic demise of something I loved that much. Is happy 40K will be getting live action show with Cavill leading it and is not straying in those waters.
I have been a massive Warhammer fan for years now. I love the fact that they produce audiobooks which allows me to get into the lore and setting a lot more extensively as I am blind. Plus,Warhammer, 40,000 and Warhammer age of Sigmar simply has a much more rich setting. I can highly recommend Warhammer. Age of Sigmar also. A very interesting twist on the typical dark fantasy setting.
What renewed my interest in Star Wars: Star Wars vs Warhammer 40K - AFanWithTooMuchTime. The squeal trilogy shattered my interest in SW utterly. I had been getting into 40K for a while. This particular audio-drama series written by a serious fan of SW, set at the tail end of the Clone Wars where a massive fleet of Imperium ships appear just outside the galactic rim. Having a story that respects both universes, explores existing characters in new ways, while stating that because of the nature of SW the story will Rhyme with the films and legends material while being very different. The competency of the writer has rekindled my love for the SW universe, even though it may not be the official 'cannon' one. [ Upon first seeing close ups of the imperial vessels, the human skulls and religious sculptures, one republic historian suspected that the Pius Dea had returned. ] [ What would the Dark Lord of the Sith make of someone who claims to be Alpha Plus? ] [ What would the Clone response be upon seeing the silent masked men from Kreig, charging in waves? ] [ How would the Imperium view an army of mostly humans combating thinking machines? ] [ The Jedi deployed on mass in full force - Thousands of witches wielding blades of light, prepared and organized. ] Just to tease a little for those interested.
I will check this out, but star wars is dead, Disney killed it and is parading it's corpse. There is absolutely no reason to hope something good will come out of it.
The genres section of the video pretty much sums up why Warhammer (both fantasy and 40k) are great. Warhammer is a setting that authors can use to write any kind of story they want. The Infinite and Divine is literally just two ancient millions of year old necrons bantering with each other and reminiscing on their accomplishments and the old days like two old grandpas having a beer together on a porch.
I was introduced to WH40k at my local Game Workshop in 2008 and it opened a whole new door for me back then as a teen. I bought the Battle of Maggrage starter set and hold no regrets ever experiencing it.
One thing i like about 40k lore is that alot of it is written to seen lile you dont have all the information on the subject. Its nice because when they add stuff to existing events/people, it feels like you're just getting more info on it. There are definitely some issues, but for the most part they do a decent job at it
That’s a doubled edged sword right there. Half the people will see the new lore and embrace it, the other half gets their lore from memes and shorts and rejects the new elaborated lore as a retcon Abaddon the Despoiler, take your stage.
A good friend got me into Warhammer and even got me my first combat patrol box ( I play world eaters) but clone wars and episode 1-6 will always have a special place in my heart ❤️
I'll always keep the original Star Wars films close to my heart as I grew up loving them. When Revenge of the Sith wrapped, I needed a new space IP and discovered 40k through the Horus Rising book and the Dawn of War series. I love it so much now. I could never go back to SW while Disney owns it and I'm excited to watch 40k grow into the mainstream. If they can somehow keep it from going woke, it could be massive!
I wouldn’t worry about that after all didn’t gw state that it doesn’t matter all human beings in the warhammer setting get send to their deaths anyways😂
Henry Cavill's new project/partnership with GW & Amazon is a dream come true! The only real potential problem I foresee with it, if it does become a massive commercial success, Bezos might turn his all-corrupting eyes upon it and try to destroy 40k like he has with their Rings of Power woke dumpster fire. Granted, Cavill himself, and almost certainly GW as well, would probably nuke the entire setting before that were to actually happen. Never forget, when GW launched the Horus Heresy system, literally a few paragraphs into the big rulebook's background section they reaffirmed & cemented that only boys/men can become Space Marines! Twitter was a super fun place for a few weeks after that as the wokies & fem 40k lunatics went completely apes**t crazy over that one!🤣🤣🤣
You're legitimately insane if you think "wokeness" is what killed star wars, rather than just them reusing the same recycled cookie cutter plots, worlds, character archetypes, etc., that appeal to the lowest common denominator.
Great video. I grew up as a Prequel fan and loved the setting a lot. Big space battles (The Battle over Corusant), big army battled (The battle of Nabboo, the Geonosis Arena, the Utapau incursion), great characters (Obi-Wan, Anakin, Dooku, Mace Windu), the prequels were really my thing. A big galaxy of cool events and conflicts where you could find stories. Earlier games like Battlefronts (2005 one and the sequel), Empire at War, Jedi Academy made the setting expansive and rich. KotOR tacked on as well a history to the Galaxy and it enriched the magic of being a Star Wars fan. But we don't really get that with the new Disney stuff, at least something more meaningful than a handfull of new planets (whenever they're not taking some from the EA) and mostly just 'desert/rocky/jungle/forest/plains duelling planet featured in one episode only'. On the 40k side of things tho... To be fair, the whole 'Guilliman Returns' bit is kind of well received. One, because this means less hyper-perfect ultramarines save the day every day and now they're getting their asses beat, allowing other chapters or legions the time to shine (Pariah Nexus is a good example); And two, because now he's a more interesting character that can't fix most of the Imperiums' issues and has to struggle with every facet of its 10.000 years of calcification of religious dogma and corrupted beaurocracy. I'm more miffed that Cawl somehow recreated the Space Marines with Primaris and still remains an unaccounted plot device for the Imperium.
I started gaining interest for War Hammer after I saw wes hammer, major kill and other CZcamsrs with war hammer content. I loved every lore they shared like how the Horus heresy happened, the different variety of space marines’ armour, who the thunder warriors were, how the warp works, how cool the frickin chainsword is, and explaining who the different races and factions in the universe are (humanity are obviously the good guys😉). I downloaded the dawn of war series, one of the best game I’ve ever played so far with good story telling, great voice acting and most importantly how awesome the large scale battles are with each army having its own unique units and abilities. I also loved the war hammer memes from the communities that I’ve joined, sometimes I learn the lore from there. Hopefully I’ll get a War Hammer minis of my own and would get to play on a table top someday, and it’s in my bucket list.
I grew up with SW. My love for it peaked with Kotor 1 and 2. Then the dark ages came. Some years ago I got into Dune and Im not going back. To me 40k is where I go to when I want to play or roleplay the violence that I imagine it happens in the post God-Emperor's era. For instance I love the SOB since they remind me of the Fish Speakers.
As a long time 40k fan I’m glad 40k is starting to break into the mainstream, it has so much to offer from the story to the tabletop game (which is very fun but $$$) or the video games. It’s so dark and it’s so over the top to the point of comedy. For example In the last game of 40k I played a regular guy charged a 40ft Gundam looking mech and single handedly destroyed with a Chainsword (chainsaw on a sword) And then got suicide bombed by a flying saucer immediately after. See what I mean? Totally over the top and cheesy but it knows it’s cheesy.
@@greghannibal Agreed. I think as long as 40k fans gatekeep appropriately to keep the more destructive and degenerate types of people from latching on, ruining (and then running off to the next popular thing as they always do) we will be mostly fine. Im cautious about all the growing popularity of 40k, just as I am with anything else I enjoy, as it ends bad probably more often than it improves things.
@@nobelissimos8719 It really depends on whether Games Workshop caves or not. Once they have the creators on board, there's nothing much that can be done.
@@greghannibal Games Workshop has always been hated by it's fans, but it could always be worse. Lots of people moved over to battletech when they did that big thing with Warhammer+ and basically killed all fan animation.
There's a reason Warhammer is still good after decades: Gatekeeping. The creators never sold out and the fandom is so hardcore, that when Twitter and Reddit tried to take it over (akin to Berzerk), the fandom pushed back HARD and went "No, this isn't inclusive. No, it isn't for you. And no, we won't let you ruin it. Go. Away." Guess what? It worked.
@@Tom-sd9jbThe point is that there is so much variety that you can create your factions within the existing lore or pick anyone of them that's there. The point is to encourage creativity/fun which the woke crowd absolutely despise.
lol are you high? Did you forget the whole "40K is for everyone" bit they did where they told people in their fan base "if your a faschists get the fuck out"? God people really do huff copium hard these days
@@Tom-sd9jb As in, there is something for everyone. You dont like the grimdark characters, well you can just make your own sub-faction of totally reasonable armies and no one is gonna stop you.
@@martinramirez1856 I was actually referring to the fanmade Reasonable Marines, which actually has a canon counterpart in the Raptors. I think that's why most people gravitates toward the spacemarines. You can create some out of the universe characters (decent, logical and noble) and it still will fall somewhere within the canon. Or, you can go ham and go full chaos.
I agree eith this so much. I grew up with both star wars, warhammer, and even mass effect and i noticed how there was a significant drop off in quality in star wars and mass effrct that it upset me so much i actually started learning how to become a writer and made my own sci fi universe! Im hoping to turn the story ive made into a podcast and releasing it as a debut novel by summertime
@@Tom-sd9jb youtube.com/@AuthorAustinR.Jordan-di8cp?si=rsONu-L7RVZtYV7b that'd my channel for when I post but right now it's empty as I'm still working on the story 😊 I'm hoping to post soon though maybe in 3 weeks to a month I'll start posting
Took a pretty similar path to yours, and i have a sneaking suspicion many more will. Although your video did kinda underrepresent just how comically bad each faction is, it still got most things right, good on you.
Aye as Bob said, they might not be 100% with their fans but at least their iron grip on their IP will keep Warhammer "Warhammer" rather than wokehammer... like what happened with star woke
@@13Lictor gw unironicly hates its fans (see there policy on animation) but they are smart enough to know not to fuck with the ip thats making the mony its self
Warhammer is great because it’s a lot more fun community. The stores are run by people who really like the franchise and overall all the fan base are very nice, compared to every other franchise arguing over absolutely everything all the time.
I still have my first nickname as a Star Wars fan, and my epitaph will be dedicated to 40k. I've been into 40k lore for almost 20 years. Have read like 150+ novels and still want MORE lore and stuff to read/play/talk about. Maybe Henry Cavill could bring us LotR style epicness at big screen/series. I have hope for his passion this time.
And leave the aspirations for female Astartes to the way side. It's not gonna happen, it literally is one of the only concrete lore pieces, and it makes ZERO sense.
They killed the spirit of Star Wars, and did the same to Star Trek, Dr Who, Marvel and DC comics and their respective cinematic universes. And then they killed Gears, Halo, and God of War became the big daddy saga, they killed the fun of those games. I'm having fun with Warhammer, something I haven't done in a long time, I need to enjoy it before this ends too.
I actually didn't truly discover WH40K until around 2018 when I saw a video comparing sci-fi armies that had the Space Marines in it and it made me curious enough to have a look into the franchise. It's enthralled me ever since and I'm absolutely loving it.
Yep, 40k is above all else, a setting for the Imagination, it doesn't even have to be grimdark, it can contain any story of any genre of any tone. So far GW has barely put a toe into the potential depth.
I think part of it is 40k is a setting designed to let the imagination run wild. Its in the best interest of the game that the players be able to tell just about any story or have any battle they can think of. Imperium fighting itself? perfectly fine. Some random OC chapter? perfectly fine. Heck there's even stories of the imperium working with xenos despite their supposed hardline stance. 40k feels so massive that just about anything can happen. Star Wars is meant to capture the imagination, but its still primarily meant to tell a story. Everything else is just sort of extra lore to sell to the hardcore. Its galaxy also has generally felt really small (heck they don't even jump to lightspeed yet travel between places in the OT a few times). You have the core, the mid rim, and the outer rim. All the aliens are just random cantina -filler. I don't mean to say its bad, but I can see where 40k just feels so much more inviting.
@@Janx14 Star Wars is very much a victim of "mission creep". It is very well done and perfectly self-contained in the original trilogy. If judged on the original trilogy alone then it is an absolute masterpiece. It is when you try to add to it that things go very wrong. It is one of if not the most over-milked cash cows ever.
Personally I find the people that bitch and moan about the setting getting less Grimdark with every heroic character that gets introduced to be not only morons, but also the worst elements of the community. It happened with the Tau too, they were introduced as the only good faction of the galaxy and those people complained until GW made them all about ethereals being untrustworthy scheming bastards who may or may not have mind control. Which in turn made them boring when not dumb, just another faction of fools following liars like half the others. I ask you this, what is more Grimdark? A setting where everyone is terrible and miserable and there is no hope? Or a setting where everything is dark and miserable, but there is one final shining beacon of hope, struggling against the darkness, a classic hero that would triumph over the evil in every other story, but is simply snuffed out, crushed, destroyed in the most brutal way by an uncaring galaxy. You need light to contrast the darkness or it becomes meaningless. Shadows only grow as large as the flame that projects them. You need noble characters to bring down to the mud if you wish to make things grim.
@@filteredjc4653 I hate that, "There are no good guys or bad guys." shtick. Truly understanding real life is realizing that the world isn't just black and white and it isn't just grey. It's all three. Some people are just evil and some people are just good. And some people are in between. You have to use your own judgment to find out which.
@@spectralassassin6030 But in Warhammer it's different,..but well, there are good people in the factions, minus the chaos of course. Dorn for example is fucking good, along with our angel Martyr, Sanguinius. The Emperor of Humanity, for example, is Vulcan, they are all good to me (Forget about little Aeldari, because he already barbecued himself, and became slanesh food 😈)
For a story universe called “Star Wars”, they did a great job of making the scale feel so small it was neither galactic in scale, nor did you see anything sizeable enough to be considered “war”. It felt more like “occasional space skirmish”.
I used to be a Star Wars fan (and some what still am when it's good) but I've been doing 40k since around 2018, I must say that it is a far more enjoyable experience than star wars ever was
If you want a W40k movie, watch Event Horizon. It's basically about humanity's very first contact with the Warp, so it can be treated like a prequel to Warhammer universe, set before the times of the Emperor.
I have more respect for Warhammer in every sense that it doesn't hate its own fans. It's a no brainer that Star Wars fans are leaving to Warhammer now it's simply better.
I love your innocence before the universe of contradictions, abuse of prices for plastic figurines and the great plot armor not to lose the opportunity of the company to continue selling your favorite chapter.
I grew up with Star Wars, and there are a few reasons I'm starting to get into Warhammer. One is he content. Well done, respects old lore, and very interesting. Two is the designs of characters. They're so unique and you struggle to find something else like it. Three is the fact that it is very dark and grim. I've been advocating to my friends for an IRL clone wars show that's realistic, bloody, with curse words, the whole shebang. Warhammer is pretty much that, but just as cool.
Well done. I agree with all of the points you bring up. The origins of starwars have been incredible, but ever since it was bought by Disney, it has become fubar. While the whole setting of warhammer 40k is supposed to be fubar, I find it very interesting. Yes, I sometimes get really annoyed that my Aeldari (warhammer 40k elves) are ignored, with half of there model line being old enough to drink, and that even my Imperium of Manking Grey Knights get almost no attention or love, I cannot help but enjoying the warhammer 40k setting. I always love lore discussions of the game with friends, especially if it amounts to making fun of the T'au Empire (sorry T'au players. I have lost too many a farseer to some crisis battlesuits). I will never stop loving warhammer 40k. Its just so much fun.
This is very interesting. Your journey into Warhammer was quite similar if not the exact same as mine. I was also a die hard fan of Star Wars for as long as I can remember. But due to its mismanagement I looked elsewhere. And would you know it - about 2 years ago I found out Warhammer was a thing. With its decades of lore, hundreds of books, thousands of hours of lore and a great tabletop wargame(s) it quickly became my favourite fictional setting.
I absolutely love both and can speak for hours about the lore of both genres. So many ship and Droid types, so many factions and xenos, and I want to know them all. Did you know the tusken raiders and jawas where once the same species? Their planet got glassed so hard that they had to hide in the planets massive caves for so long that the two different groups in different cave systems became so different from another that they are basically different species
Most star wars lore is just over explanations for every little detail from the films because there was no real explanation or purpose to those things when George was first making them.
What I love about 40K is the ability of the normal people to create their own factions, cause 40Ks Imperium of Man is canonically shit at record keeping it allows people to create what is called homebrew factions, be they Space Marine, Astra Militarum, any of the Xenos, and Chaos warbands, it just keeps the community alive, especially since if your homebrew becomes very popular and you tell GW about they might make it canon, they’ve done it before Edit: i just thought about the angry marines who are very popular but are not canon because they are just a warhammer meme, so keep in mind that theyve gotta make sense in the universe and nit just a meme marine, which is the name of another homebrew if i remember correctly
I used to be a hardcore SW fan and thought WH was just absurd and overly edgy. I am now an avid WH fan and know more about WH than I do of SW. I enjoy WH much more and I never suffer from a lack of content or variety.
My favorite part of Start Wars was reading the Rogue Squadron books as a kid. The prequels came out and they were ok, so were the cartoons, but by the sequel trilogy I had had enough. I was Star Wars'd out. It's oversaturated, and the stories feel small, with the same stakes on the line each time. Getting into 40k and reading the novels took me back to those Rogue Squadron EU days. 40k does feel like a massive galaxy where the stakes are larger, the stories are endless, and the scenarios of where it's all going are infinite. I know ultimately the conclusions are a little conservative because they need to sell tabletop minis, they're not going to kill an entire faction, but I appreciate the real sense of dread that occurs in every story.
Star was Expanded Universe (now non-cannon) was pretty good with a lot of stories, exploration, war and good writing. Sadly it is the Disney taint that dragged it down into the mud. 40k is good and I also greatly enjoy it... I just warn people that there is still some taint and problems with its progression. Before it was Games workshop hunting down continent creators and banning fan works and projects. In the future Amazon will have a 40k love action project in the works and while Henry Cavil is a good man... We can't be sure if this won't end up like the Witcher series. Where it promised to be faithful and he left (stuck doing season 3) when he knew they were going to trash it. 40k had a lot of mess with the Horus Heresy series near the middle/end of the line... Especially the emperor's wife. Woman retcon the chaos gods stealing the primachs and throwing them threw the warp to a woman who claimed she built the space marines and then shot her children through the warp so they wouldn't be raised by big E... Thus setting the destruction of the galaxy do to a whiny fit. 40K is good for now because it has a lot more good properties than bad ones... But just beware the taint that ruined Star wars may be after 40k next.
Oh an anyone who says Amazon is different than disney. Look at Rings of Power. They fired every Tolkien Expert until they found one that would agree with whatever they said and took their money for that garbage show. And how people are worried about their new Fallout Live Action series set in the heart of the NCR without the NCR seeming to exist anymore.
As a formar Star Wars Fan I was a CIS supporter because since childhood i felt sorry for the "Silly Goofy Droids" seeing Adeptus Mechanicus just felt right to me they make me smile and are my favorite Faction Praise Archmagos Cawl! and the Omnissiah!
I grew up watching/Reading Star wars and playing the Star wars games but I lost interest in it due to how Disney handled it and I've been loving Warhammer40k for over 6 years I've been reading the Horus heresy books Cadian novels and I've been playing Dawn of war though I'm late in the game I love it Warhammer40k is just my new favorite thing I don't even think about Star wars anymore
When i was younger "Ooh star wars" Then a little later "Ooh halo" Then later while i like them both "Ooh warhammer" Written and directed by George lucas
This is very close to my experience as well, I was a Star Wars fan since the early 80s, I grew up with it, and hon, Luke, and Leah were my childhood heroes. It hurt for a long time seeing what Disney did to it, however, I moved on to 40 K and haven’t looked back
Same thing here. When I was younger, I loooved star wars, especially the clone wars series and the prequels. Lately I have lost all interest in the setting. I have been a fan of warhammer for around 7-8 years, but I am ore and more invested into it. The Lore is absolutely insane and bring everything I loved about the clone wars. The setting has so much potential
I'm still a Star Wars fan, if only because of Andor and the Bad Batch reigniting my passion for the universe and reminding me that Star Wars can be good in the right hands, but I've also been finding myself drawn into Warhammer for a while now. I haven't read any of the novels, but I've been catching up on the lore and its just so cool.
Never was truly invested in Star Wars tbh, but I welcome its fans to Warhammer. I can confidently say that after like 7 years of reading and hanging out with diehard fans I still know so little about 40k, yet it only makes me more excited to learn, I hope newcomers would share my enthusiasm.
I hadn't stopped to think about it, but the first time I asked my warhammer-fan friend to tell me about the scenario was little after I realized how bad episode 8 fucked up (that was before Solo was released), and, despite my introduction to the setting being through one of the most fucked up villains (the Nitghlords Omnibus), by the end of the first book I was already hooked (even if later on I would change factions and come to realize that Aaron have hate boners for the Blood Angels). I had never considered why I liked 40k so much right from the start, but I think you nailed it... it delivered on the nostalgia that the trailers for Force Awakens promissed but didn't deliver
One thing I like about Warhammer 40K over Star Wars is the Galaxy feels larger. In Star Wars, characters will move across the Galaxy to get to a location, with the logistics as an afterthought. In 40K characters deal with diverse logistical problems like “hell is splitting the Galaxy in half, the navigator died, the geller field is broken, the warp isn’t calm right now”
Want to travel to this one system? Funny man you, you arrive 800 years in the future. Or you arrive before you even left. Or you never arrive and are trapped in the warp getting a chainaxe rammed up where the sun doesn't shine.
Yeah the star wars galaxy never felt that big outside of legends stuff and with Disney it feels even more smaller like its always the same six or soo planets like tattooine, hoth, kamino, naboo, etc or a copy of the aforementioned made worse by the fact that those planets aren't even relevant like the only relevant things about tattooine was that the skywalkers originate there and that Jabba the hutt lives there other than these it's just another one of the countless unimportant worlds in the outer rim soo much soo the separatists never bothered even visit the place let alone invade it
Problem is than in Star wars speed is the same all the time.
In Wathammer the speed is as fast as the plot demands it, which just opens the seting for some masive plot armour for some characters.
Also in Star Wars there are a few fast travel lanes which alow for diferent speeds to be used. Sadly they are barely used in the films/shows.
And bouth galaxsies feall small to be fair, armies and battles are extremely small, every planet has like at best 6 cities in it and is councured in days or mounths.
It also helps that half the setting of the universe isn't constantly on Tatooine.
Yeah but, a hive-city in 40K is so massive with so many citizens that earth for example would only be able to sustain one hive-city and if super specialized for hive-city sustainability maybe two or three. Grand capital hive-cities in 40K, the biggest hive-cities in an entire galactic-sector(maybe 100-5000 planets in one sector) cover much of the entire planet and is sustained through import from basically every agri-world in their sector(an entire world purely dedicated to farming as much food as mathematically possible in disregard of human safety for more production). Holy Terra is a lot like Coruscant in that the entire world is basically converted to one giant clusterfuck of a city and the imperial palace cover the entire south-american continent.@@stefankatsarov5806
I grew up with Star Wars, I shall die with Warhammer.
Good job, Disney.
Their Emperor died. Our Emperor protects.
@@darthkek1953 Their emperor died... and came back ... "somehow"... then died again ... :P Ours is eternal.
@@skalgrimfellaxe5796 no, ours is _perpetual._
Even death we still serve brother
Honestly Dave Filoni's clone wars was the first nail in the coffin, Disney just hammered the finals ones in with a sledgehammer.
They just killed my universe, the one I grew up with, the one i loved and will love for ever. But now I just love the Emperor, his light, his guidance, his wrath against the dark forces.
THOUGHT OF THE DAY: 'It is better to die for the Emperor than live for yourself.'
For me, as a Clone Wars kid, now that the Clone Wars are well and truly over, I kinda just don't feel the same attraction to Star Wars. I do enjoy the Galactic Civil War, but honestly it just doesn't quite feel the same. I think I've always just preferred the more dramatic, all-out warfare of the Clone Wars, the grand armies clashing on sprawling battlefields. For some of us, the Clone Wars never truly ended.
THE EMPEROR PROTECTS, BROTHER
Oh brother you are about as lukewarm and casual as it gets. Newsflash: The cartoon you grew up watching is heavily responsible for the watering down of current lore and the "kiddie" tone the entire franchise has taken as a result. I prefer the grounded nuance of the Galactic Civil War for a plethora of reasons. I also prefer my combat to be brutal and unforgiving for both sides. Not this nonsense that has been done to death where some plucky group of rejects just somehow guns down hundreds of crack fighting troops. I care more about humans and their motivations for fighting in the Empire compared to the organic slave army that Clone Wars kids worship. I had a clonetard phase too...when I was twelve. Get over it. And you're a Communist? Yeah get out of here. Gatekeeping exists for a reason.@@classcommie
@@helghast1149 I agree with you mate. I miss when Star Wars was like that, even the lones, not that kiddy show and Filoni's BS.
Help us Henry Cavil, you're our only hope. (Genuinely excited for his future 40k stuff)
Let us hope that Amazon doesn't give it the Rings of Power treatment.
Exactly, Amazon made Rings of power, let's keep our hopes in check...
@@Grabthar191 On the contrary, the Rings of Power treatment means he'll get complete creative control over his project like the woke bots that made that trashfire.
You should listen to afanwithtoomuchtime
You’re forgetting what the chaos spawn at Blackrock want.
Warhammer actually handled well their old lore, while Star Wars ignored everything "legends" have criated, Warhammer kept it.
I used to be huge SW nerd, im with warhammer now :)
That isn't exactly true... Remember the Half-eldar? No longer Canon. The chaos squats, no longer Canon. Obi-wan Sherlock whatever that last name was... Also no longer Canon.
Warhammer retcons a lot of things.
@@jpfg2713 I mean Obi-wan Sherlock Clousseau is probably still cannon its just we never heard of him ever again after rogue trader.
Also squats are technically not cannon it's what Leagues of Votann ? so saying Chaos squats are not cannon is like saying they are a redcon of a redcon.
Only thing I won't say anything is Half-Eldar.
@@jpfg2713personally the only retcon I care about is the lore of the God Emperor hesitating to kill Horus because he loved him, only when he saw his son kill Sanguinius and that random Guardsmen that he realized that Horus is no longer there. The current lore makes it seem more like the emperor is going "tactics tactics tactics, muh plan is to blablabla." Granted the final Horus Heresy book isn't here yet so for all we know it'll end in the same way, but damn making the emperor be so indifferent in the second to the last book really retcons that dynamic I enjoyed the most
Dude ive lost track of how much shit gets retconned out of existence in 40k
40k could probably make an entirely new continuity out of all the stuff thats no longer canon to the series.
Chaos Android Necrons, Chaos Squats, Half Eldar Half Human hybrids, Malaal, Tau FTL technology, and more.
Hell the birth of godamn Slaanesh was retconned out of existence and now the War in Heaven somehow had all four Chaos Gods fighting in it.
@@jpfg2713 that's not true, there is the rule that everything that the fan decides that is canon is canon, so if they are canon, it doesn't matter if GW canonizes or decanonizes things as such since there will always be contradictions and inconsistencies in the universe to which everyone has their own canon of how the universe works, besides that said the same former director of the black library XD.
A trait I love about Warhammer is their policy about their own lore. Things get retconned here and there, or reintroduced, but they treat the lore as if every piece of it is someone's telling of events, fallible and biased. It leaves room for authors and the company at large to pick and choose pieces they want to work with or exclude without it being a whole crack in the overall story. The lore is more fluid than constant. That, and ever since WH was a tabletop first and foremost, they focused on letting people have their own lore, and basically saying "as long as you don't conflict with this preset stuff, whatever you want to be lore, is the lore." It was the original reason for the Lost primarchs and legions, those were a kind of "Build your own space marine" thing with lore to back it up.
The (non) issue with that is considering how much the likes of Horus, Magnus and Lorgar screwed up, it seems almost impossible for the lost legions to have done worse.
@@boooster101The difference is you don't have characters necessarily talk about them in a bad light.
The Traitor Primarchs are easy to paint as evil for the average imperial citizen, but maybe what the lost Primarchs did, didn't make it so easy(like peaceful cooperation with xenos for example).
@@Oppen1945 Xenos didn't and don't make it easy, either. Eldar - "Just one more tiny tainy bloody orgy will not create a new chaos god and condemn our souls to it, probably.", Orcs - "Whack fol the daddyo.", Tau "Would you like to hear the good word of the Greater Good?", Necrons - "Get the f*ck off my lawn!", Tyranids - "Nom nom nom."
that's a really well summarize
Nah, nah that's a bad take this was made up quite recently as a cop-out.
Star Wars did do other genres in the books...the ones that Disney wiped their ass with. They did heists, grimdark, war, spies and espionage, horror, eldritch horror, body horror...The Expanded Universe was where they got to show that the universe was indeed just as big and expansive as we all knew it was.
I would have loved Star Wars if they would have sticker to Legends. Instead they destroyed it. It was already over for me when stey did Clone Wars, which I didn't enjoy because it was very childish and with the sequels they burned it completly.
Trash!
The cutest thing about nurgle was that story about Ku'Gath and how he felt bad about drinking all of Nurgles toxic soup so he went out to try and recreate it
Ku'Gath: I'm so sorry, grandfather. I'll make it up to you! *rushes to create the greatest pestilence and disease*
Nurgle : *sniff* My children grow up so fast!
I’m reading plague wars and good lord kugath is depressed, everyone is jolly around him and he’s slouched in his chair with a flat face
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I actually migrated to 40K from Halo. The best part is getting to feel like you're only on the cusp of a greater universe. I really used to feel that with Halo, but with 40K, you genuinely get the sense that there's more to this galaxy than just a handful of named planets and solar systems.
Same here. For me I think my departure from Halo was how 343 handled the lore regarding the forerunners. When Bungie has the reigns the forerunners felt mysterious and there was room to theorize. After 343 took over that whole aspect of the life just dissipated. That and the whole “showing the human side of chief” just killed the main protagonist of the whole series.
For me it was more like "Who the hell does this?" with Halo. The whole setting hinges on one idiotic misunderstanding of the smart aliens by the stupid aliens. Otherwise it's just very limited. It's just aliens against humans for the 100th time, and not in the 40k way, where aliens have nuance. Sure, there's a bunch of them and there's some lore about them but the only ones that are flashed out are elites and even then it's only because they think that humans are neat. 343 are to do something new but have been failing dramatically.
40K lore
Star wars lore
Halo lore
Halo is an interesting setting but lacks the cool details both 40K and Star wars has, with Halo you only learn about the secret nasty shit ONI does, it's never about fleshing out the setting, it's only to point a finger at a in-universe conspiracy but I don't care if ONI is using civilians for tests because I don't know what life is like for the average Joe aside from "they exist"
Some fun 40K lore tidbits, to go studying, if you haven't heard of them.
First, the Q;orl. Alien species. They don't have rules for tabletop... but are probably a bigger deal than a few factions that do, and constitute a giant "Don't go here, don't piss them off" for the Imperium.
The Megarachnids. Another alien, these guys are notable for the details about the golden age of humanity they connect to.
The Tulchulcha Engine. The less I tell you up front, the better. It's a rabbit hole.
Enslavers
Not terribly interesting by themselves, but they're a good jumping off point into learning how... weird, the Warp was, and what it was like before all the demons.
Halo was cool but the current state of the franchise is similar to Star Wars: a new company is changing everything and it's not special anymore. The Halo TV show is a complete mess. 40k is probably the only franchise that is still not corrupted by this ton of nonsense.
It’s so sad, because I too was a big Star Wars guy. I remember a time when we could give 40k a run for their money in terms of grimdark, tragedy, and darkness. I’m reminded of how in Book of Boba Fett, he befriended a group of flamboyant speeder bikers who disrespected him. Old Lore Fett would’ve left their burning corpses hanging from outside the town, and moved on to the next bounty.
No, colourful mopes. On Tattoofuckingine. COLOURFUL. Bright. Shiny. They would have looked good on Corrusant but they should be beaten on T. Even if not a total wreck, looking as if they get both cleaned & painted, but also constant sand blasted. Like Luke's Speeder. He loved it, but the DESERT PLANET takes a toll. And they can afford speeder bikes and cyborg bellies, but not water. etc etc
This kinda just reads like someone going "ooh yeah edgy = serious". While I don't think its a great show, it certainly would've been dumb. The shows Boba Fett is much older, and jaded. He's experienced to a point of being tired with the game, he doesn't care about bounties in the same way as one of the dozens of interpretations of legends Boba Fett and thats a narrative decision, not some breakaway with a characters key personality traits. People grow, not everyone is a one dimensional killer like Darth Vader is often portrayed.
There is a very real problem with balancing "grimdark" with actual good storytelling, and 40k knows this well, they essentially ruined their own Ynnari and Aeldar storylines by continuing to backtrack and lower their powerlevel and importance, which has resulted in a faction of spirit seers and fate based people being shown repeatedly to not embody those characteristics successfully. One could also acknowledge how 40k's writing has often just killed off storylines to give the impression of a never-ending conflict as the main theme. This leads to frustrated readers who had grown interested in the developments of storylines, such as Warzone Charadon, axing one of the only named characters in the Adeptus Mechanicus for no narrative value, and removing a well liked Metalica Marshal.
@@dlf7789 It's not that edgy = serious, it's that they sanitized the character. If they wanted a huggable Mandalorian with a heart of gold, they should have kept making more Mandalorian episodes. Hell, Mando ended up stealing a good chunk of the screen time anyway.
@@dlf7789 All I'm sayin' is, old Lore Fett wouldn't take shit. You mess with the greatest hunter in history, and I expect dire consequences, even if he isn't hunting anymore. He's meant to be a crime boss now for God's sake, no Hutt or Black Sun would allow themselves to look that weak. And it's not just that; the Yuzhaan Vong arc couldn't exist in modern Disney Star Wars. Having a threat that made the Rebels V.S. Empire dynamic more than just a good/evil paradigm wouldn't be allowed. There was no nuance given to the First Order, and I doubt they'd ever do it if given a second chance with old Lore. You see them doing it now with Thrawn; what's his plan? Restart the Empire? Why? His whole deal is that he gives zero shits about the Empire, he just needs a more powerful military to help the Chiss prepare for the aforementioned Vong. But I doubt he'll get that credit, he'll be defeated and everything will be peachy until linking with Force Awakens. It's not just the lack of edginess, more so that there isn't any sense of actual WAR in Star WARS. The Prequels showed outright massive battles between the Clones and Droids, and the OT gave the impression that larger operations happened behind the curtain of what we were shown. But the Sequels? How am I supposed to believe that this upstart, nobody faction blows up five planets and now the entire New Republic faction ceases to be? This didn't happen to the old Lore Empire after the 2nd Death Star; they owned the damn Galaxy with millions of Troopers, Star Destroyers, munitions, and even a couple SSDs. THAT Empire had to have peace treaties signed between the Imperial Remnant and the New Republic. But the Republic in this version? Gone. I guess they had like, one battle fleet built in 30 years, and never thought to deploy it? This is like two or three of the hundreds of gripes I have these days. Do ya see how frustrating it is, to see such a rich and vibrant cosmos reduced to half-baked good guy/bad guy slap fights?
@@sirbenkenobi9495 New lore Fett still doesn't take shit, he's just learned when to use the carrot and when to use the stick. Some battles don't need to be fought, the biker gang being a good case in point.
He *could* just kill them for disrespecting him, but that wouldn't gain him anything, instead he cracked the whip once and then made them an offer they couldn't refuse, one which paid dividends by the end of Book of Boba Fett,
I was introduced to WH40K before even laying my eyes on SW Episode 4.
Switched to SW and Dune then.
Somehow, the Astronomican led me back to the Emperor's light after all these years.
The emperor protects my friend.
Suffer not the Disney to live
It started with a certain international khazarian tribe buying then controling Disney, turning into a conglomerate that buys all franchises to subvert them
@@richardpunter6738Show them steel! Show them contempt!
@@nikosaurus4238 nah i am like 30 Warhammeer 40 halo and 50 for star wars
40K truly has something for everyone . It has some of the darkest and most fucked up things you can imagine , like some of the events in Horus heresy . Also after ready infinite and the divine I found it ironic that two soulless robots (Trazyn and Orikan) have more soul and humor than any other character in the series . Them two are comedic gold !
But the scope is what really gets me . 18 legions of space marines , pretty much unlimited chapters of them , titans , nuns with guns , funny orcs , space elves and spicy space elves , chaos gods and demons .
The themes are also great but one I love the most is that power always cost something . Like in star wars they can just use the force as much as they want pretty much but in 40K there’s consequences for overusing the warp . Or if you want to be a space marine , the trials are fucked up and brutal depending on the chapter but even the process of being bioengineered into an astartes is horrific .
40K , while being arguably my favorite fictional universe , is the #1 fictional universe I would NOT want to live in
Warhammer acknowledges it has funny stuff in the lore and embraces it, as well as all the fan content and games
Star Wars says "no, all that content you made up until we made Rey, is not canon anymore"
Except GW says none of the lore is canon.
There was literally a boycott of GW cause of stuff to do with them going after fan content…
@@tiggerbane4325 GW never C&D'd any fan series. They released a new policy that made it clear anyone who tried to profit off of their franchise with fanworks would be C&D'd. Yet not a single thing was C&D'd in the end because they instead hired all the talented creators to make official shows for them. Emperor's TTS was canceled out of protest without receiving a single demand from GW to stop producing content, because Alfabusa chose a weird hill to die on expecting that the fanbase was about to be crushed by lawyers (it wasn't). The boycott was by people who never purchased GW products in the first place, secondary fans of 40k through things like Emperor's TTS, affecting zero of GW's profit margins. It's all so stupid.
@@gobolgar You sure? Because GW went around integrating fan content into their new Warhammer+, usually not allowing it on CZcams.
@@Spino-hx2mr You mean when they hired the creators, paid them for their creations, and put them on their own streaming service? How horrible. Truly GW has ruined Warhammer for everyone by making fan content official content.
The moral concepts at the center of Warhammer 40k are "How far are you willing to go to defend your groups interests in the worst situation imaginable?" "What ancient, storied race do you believe has the right to inherit the stars and shape reality to their will?", "Is the chaos and horror of unconstrained human nature and will preferable to a barely functional and deeply immoral civilized construct, or is any order better than survival of the fittest?", "Where do you draw the line of what can and cant be done in war?", "At what point do you consider a civilization unsalvageable?" "How much can you justify sacrificing for existential security?", "What actually are good and evil in a world defined by a false god?" "How should you act when confronted by an environment that hates you?" and "What are the consequences of your answers to all these questions?"
The moral concepts at the center of star wars is "Do you believe in might makes right totalitarianism or corrupt and bureaucratic democracy?" possibly followed by "Oh sorry guess you chose wrong! Should we make the correct answer more obvious for you?"
as a sentient mushroom connoisseur, i belive the answer to all of theese moral conundrums is: MORE DAKKA!
@@terlondreHence why Orkz da best!
@@loganbaxter4685becuz green iz da best!
The answer to 40k is "I am Alpharius."
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Star wars is the best example of why things have to be gatekept from certain crowds
Right, because that aways works and doesn’t make the fans look like jackasses
@@AvengerGreen this is a gamer only neighborhood, you should leave
@@AvengerGreen At this point, who cares if you look like a jackass? You got to defend the things you love.
@@AvengerGreengood,if being mean is the best way to preserve the heart and soul of a franchise then thats what we're going to do,now go away
I agree.
What I like about 40k is that it embraces creativity. I ended up making an entire space marine chapter, 4 sister of battle orders, a few guardsman regiments, an Eldar Craftworld, and a Necron Dynasty. Can’t really make your own sub faction with Star Wars however. Still love playing the Old Republic MMO though.
Can’t and won’t are two different things, my friend.
@@TheImaginedOrder0 In wh40k these are possible to be canon. In SW it's not. Much different vibe both give
Except that's literally how Legends was and functioned. @@NicknameDS
@@helghast1149 Yeah. Key word being "was"
At this point Mickey Mouse is basically the Great Horned Rat.
Star Wars felt so predictable and empty after a while.. when I was a kid I was a devout star wars fan, but I always felt it was missing something. Then I found a picture of a warlord titan, and fell down the 40k rabbit hole. I love it
I just finished macarius crusade and am halfway through the eisenhorn books!
you started good, eisenhorn books are legendary. If you want a good space marine book sometime, I'd recommend Helsreach one of my favorites. If you don't want to read it you can watch the fan movie helsreach, it's really good as well. Well...for a fan made product.
Lol same when i saw a ranking video of titans I clicked on it and now im addicted to 40k
yep, predictable. Disney was so focused on recreating the magic they ignored what excited the fans most. It was recreating the magic
Make time for Ciaphas Cain when you get the chance, I'm loving them. Also, The Infinite and the Divine is just fantastic.
I saw a picture of mars and a servator, I was hooked
There is so much variety in 40k, and like you said, there pretty much is a faction for anyone if you look hard enough.
That said, I still find it crazy that with all this variety, I've still seen people wanting to change the current factions' lore to accommodate "inclusivity", mainly Space Marines (because apparently there can't be any male only space ever)
Those people who want female space marines always seem to ignore the Sisters of Battle, could never understand it. There's your badass female subfaction right there and they just ignore it.
"Why aren't there any WOMAN space marine?!! Why can't there be an eMpEresSS!"-Woketards "For the same reason there aren't female Navy seals."- my usual response
@@combineordinal7730or sister of silence
As a long time Warhammer fan with the Imperial Aquila tattooed on his chest and a ork on his forearm. Welcome to the family everyone.
degenerate consoomer behavior
I got into 40K just over 2 years ago… and I’ve listened to or read over 50 Horus Heresy/40k books, and I’ve only encountered 1 or 2 bad books. The authors are fantastic. The characters are fun and interesting. The Grimdark setting just sucks you in, and doesn’t let go.
Tell me about it, I've been here since 1993.
unless its a Ultramarine book written by Matt Ward, every book is good
2002-2003 40k fan here: The Horus Heresy books might be a bit all over the place in quality (and as a guy who's a xenos player I grew sick of the series before the 'Siege of Terra' started. There's *_a lot_* more to the setting than one of the biggest and most destructive family feuds in science fiction damn it!), but you've lucked out. Some of the older books in the 90s were, uh... weird to say the least.
Here since 2003
YES BROTHER! You have truly turned into one of us! 40K is rising!!!!
Warhammer 40k is like the gritty version of Star Wars and I love it
Warhammer 40k: where the jedi dont just ignore the child kidnapping & abuse, but actively encourage it and escalate it.
Where the empire was truly the lesser evil, where the rebellion was created and run by the empire to eliminate dissidents, etc
Greedier? More realistic i would say.
@@breakdown331740k Where the Empire won and killed not only the rebels but every other human civilization and Palpatine shit the bed and died
Facts!
@@maltheri9833As it should of been.
Blowing up a Death Star in Star Wars: Kills an Empire.
Blowing up a death star- Lowercase ‘d’, lowercase ‘s’: Just another day in the 41st Millennium where there is Only War.
Might just personally be me but I enjoyed how warhammer 40k handles mature themes without forcing them to involve sex scenes or depict nudity on top of that it is also more easily available in Europe than other English media
Star Wars has become so anemic because ultimately it’s a story with a setting, whereas 40K is a setting in which literally any type of story may take place. The setting is so vast and varied, you can tell whatever story you want without hurting anyone else’s story.
Yea i really like that. The story told in Star Wars is like one story in 40K lol. But there’s an actual shit load of stories in 40K
That's not true. Star Wars has become anemic BECAUSE Disney chose to write it into a tiny corner of Rebels vs Empire, while throwing away the Expanded Universe.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 agreed, although OP still has a point. As varied as the EU was in characters, eras and so on, you can still summarize the major conflicts to a cycle of Jedi vs. Sith (or light side vs dark side) directly or indirectly plunging the Galaxy into chaos, all the way back from Dawn of The Jedi to centuries past the OT in the Legacy comics. Which isn't necessarily bad in itself, I do enjoy the "simplicity"of its formula and the variations that come with each iteration of the telling, but it's true that it gets to a point it's preferable to end the timeline with the New Jedi Order, like many people seem to do, instead of keep bringing Darksiders back and sort of undermining Anakin's sacrifice.
I really love 40k. I used to be a Star Wars fan, but it feels so... nothing... It feels like the franchise has no future and the future it did have was forgotten. 40k is staying true to itself (I've read books from 2012 and nowadays and 40k is still the bombastic insane grimdark it always has been.) 40k is also paving a future for itself with some really cool lore (the Cicatrix Maledictum is super cool) they stumbled with Primaris, but now, the recent models "got the magic" again. 40k learned their lesson as they expanded and are trucking along in a spectacular way. Everything is cool as hell, everything is huge, every book is at least a fun read, and that's something I cannot say about Star Wars.
That’s the same feeling with Star Wars as was the halo franchise everything just went downhill and there’s nowhere to go particularly and I find Warhammer and it’s very interesting..
Star Wars could've had lore and story on-par or even surpassing 40K, instead we have color coded troopers to signify rank and an entire legends lore setting that was thrown out.. If I were to call Star wars anything it'd be wasted potential
@@CCA.C17.SQL.02Idot The worst part is.. all Disney had to do. All they had to do, after declaring Legends non-canon? Was introduce the Yuuzhan Vong.
Have the first movie be the Republic playing the role of the empire eliminating the last holdouts of the old Empire (First Order), while Rey undergoes her original story arc. Kylo/Ben Solo would be present as one of Luke's most aspiring padawans, and even take a hand in helping Rey learn the power of the force once encountered on that desert world in the death throes of the Empire's storyline. During the conflict, Han Solo (who is the general of the republic in this version, while Leiah is it's diplomatic ruler/Queen) is killed by the first order, which drives Kylo/Ben to the brink and leads him to mingle with the dark side's abilities as he seeks vengeance against these mongrels for what they did to his father.
Then, in the second movie, you would have the first fringes come under siege from the Yuuzhan Vong while the Republic has to also solve some issues with the black market or perhaps in Hutt space. In this movie, Kylo/Ben would be tempted further towards the dark side both in his dealings with the Hutts, and in finding a world that houses Sith Holocrons and temples, where he can study it further.
In the third movie, you would begin the full focus into finally addressing the Yuuzhan Vong and attempting to stave them away, with Kylo returning seeming to have embraced embraced the dark side in it's entirety as "Kylo Ren".. until his lightsaber ignites, revealing an orange blade. He casts Sith Lightning, but instead of the blue that Luke expected, it's yellow. The color of Judgement. Thus, superseding Luke, Kylo becomes the first "Official" Gray Jedi, and is welcomed by his former Master after realizing that he's found his way back to the Light. This in turn leads to the entire Jedi Order receiving a paradigm shift as certain abilities cease to be taboo, and the focus becomes upon the will of the force, as opposed to dark and light.
The Yuuzhan Vong could be eliminated in that third movie, or you could take it a step further and break the cycle of trilogies by introducing a fourth movie, which would have a call across the republic for any who wish to learn the will of the Force to find their way to the Jedi Temple for training in the ways of the Jedi, so as to bring all able bodied padawans to hand for the conflict in order to save the galaxy and the Republic. The ending of this movie would have some mirroring/callbacks to the end of Return of the Jedi, as the Galaxy enters a golden age with the newly restored and reformed Jedi Order, and peace from Hutt space to the historical holdings of the Empire. For now.
Although it's nice to see new people coming into the warhammer franchise, I fear that those that ruin star wars would also come in and ruin the lore and setting of 40k as well just like they did with star wars legend books.
@@greyspirit4 the ppl that ruin star wars work for disney
I think what also makes Warhammer more interesting is how you can actively participate in the lore. TI heard of battles done in tabletop that have been made canon, and you can read a whole book series of just part of a battle that ends up being apart of a bigger battle.
yep. They actually can make any tabletop battle as canon according how big scale they playing with. The imperium can throw billions of soldier into a meat grinder and loosing them all in a second along with a few solar system is not a civilisation-forming tragedy but a sleepy Thursday for them.
@@petercselik5674the Istvan V battle, over 25,000+ player participated and it decided the outcome of that lore which is nut
The thing I love the most about Warhammer videos is how much stories people write in the comment.
Stories that are for the most good enough, respectful enough with the already established lore, and according enough to the idea Games Workshop has of their stories being remade by the fans,
that they just can become canon.
Those few stories are definitely canon in my heart.
Got into 40k a bit after The Last Jedi came out. I knew after coming out of the theater that SW wasn't for me anymore. So it filled a SW sized hole in my heart. At this point, I love 40k way more than I ever enjoyed Star Wars.
Same bro same. I was a lifelong starwars fan. My heart still aches after seeing that murder of my childhood. I don't want to dwell on it too hard, it makes me tear up to think about. I felt like I couldn't get into anything or feel passionate about something anymore because it would be destroyed/sanitized beyond recognition in short order. I discovered 40K like a dude discovering love again for the first time after a terrible breakup.
Same. I have like 2 dueling lightsabers, now I just finished making a Lucius Pattern Lasgun and planning to work on a chainsword.
Better hope gw won’t be greedy and accept disney’s buy offer once 40k really takes off. 😂😂😂
I won’t keep my hopes up though.
@@caelestigladii The mouse is public domain now. They ran out of money to bribe the feds to increase the lifespan of copyrights. Here's hoping they go under before that happens.
@@caelestigladii wouldn't be too surprised, but at the same time, what gives me hope is that they've proven to be very protective of their IP. Hopefully it continues.
Im a lifelong star wars fan who grew up in the early 2000s star wars era, the glory days. I got into Warhammer 40k in 2015, as it was different and kind of like a darker more in depth star wars. It actually respects older lore by instead of murdering it, its incorporated smartly. New books make amends with new and old lore and it works. Star wars has been nothing but downhill with a few good things here and there. Warhammer 40k has been a pleasure that has replaced star wars for me ever since. I will still always love star wars but Warhammer 40k takes the cake. There is something for everyone, strong character based stories, history based influences, military stories, dramas, fantasy stories, wizards in space, demons, angels, advanced sci fi tech, fantasy races like orks and dwarfs, comic book villains, and evil heroes. 40k is getting bigger for a reason.
The orks are propa funny, especially if you play a game or watch something with ork vas, because GW is a British company the Orks canonically are just big green angry brits
disney did worse than murder it. they got a bunch of homeless hipsters off the street and told them to "write a science fiction"
it was anguish
Two things brought me to Warhammer, watching TLJ back in 2017 and buying a Dawn of War collection in Steam for almost nothing. Honestly, I have no regrets, all the depth SW had was erased with the 40+ years of the Expanded Universe being deleted by Darth Mickey the Dumb.
@@AngryStickBoi imagine the catharsis of being an indian 40K fan realizing a good section of playing Space Marine 1 was fighting the british
I'm very similar. I still love my Star Wars, but lately it just doesn't interest me like it used to and I'm one of the few that actually liked the sequel trilogy. Though I will admit that Episode 9 weakens the trilogy a bit. Now with WH40K, there's always something interesting to find, they keep adding to the lore with a decent amount of faithfulness and just feels truly massive and epic.
One thing that really grabbed me about 40k, was just that, 40,000 years. It is not millions of years from present, which immediately throws up a big psychological barrier between you and the setting. 40,000 years is still an incredible span of time, but far more grounded and realistic, and I at least really felt that.
Man this hit my soul, I was one of the biggest starwars fan boys out there an now I just couldn't care less about it. I always liked warhammer as a kid but like looking threw a shop window at the cool thing on display I never got into it. In the last year it has absorbed my life. It's absolutely incredible and scratches the itch I so longed for.
The biggest problem star wars has is that the people in charge are thinking that star wars HAS to be some kind of space western. I mean why not doing something different like political thriller, mystery or horror.
Andor is probably one of the best Star Wars series and that definitely had a political thriller vibe, Shame it’s probably the only good series to come out recently
funnily enough, 40k is also a space western
And space war
And space thriller
And space horror
And... whatever you want
IKR!? You could even have cyberpunk as a theme with Star wars but it's space western EVERY TIME!!! It's disappointing :[
@@CCA.C17.SQL.02Idot Hell, even when it's "Space Western", it's not. It's always some contrived narrative that MUST include Jedi, the Empire, and THE FATE OF THE WHOLE GALAXY
I mean, you *could* theoretically make a very cool 'space western' on one little planet without involving anything but 'scum and villainy'.
Also, unpopular opinion: There should totally be a comedy about Stormtroopers (or variations of troopers) just getting into 'GI antics' the way actual soldiers goof off and screw around.
@@elijahherstal776 I think a show about the life of a stormtrooper would be fucking brilliant, hell you could even talk to actual soldiers for first hand accounts of how they goofed off during their downtime and even explore themes of stormtrooper PTSD.
I'm just so tired of Star wars films having special characters, every single one has to look unique or be their own special snowflake in some way, I want to relate to the characters not put them on a pedestal.
My childhood for Star Wars has died in my heart. But Warhammer 40k over filled that emptiness into my adult life.
I only started diving deeper into the 40k lore like 4 years ago and I'm 80+ books in now. This universe just consumed me over the last few years and there is still so much to read, so much to learn and so much to come.
Former Star Wars fan here, although I didn’t get into 40k because of the death of Star Wars. I just got tired of hearing things about 40k and not knowing anything about it. Been invested in 40k for 3 years now
Star Wars has Obi-wan Kenobi.
40k has Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau.
That is all I need to say.
When Star wars fans decide it's time to actually read some books,they become Warhammer 40k fans!
Although it's impossible to read all the 40k books i want to because there's so many and always more coming out!
I see what your saying but SW has a a TON of books , novels and comics, likely more than warhammer. Most Expanded universe sw fans read alot
@@ulrichstoffer4429 maybe they just never hyped or sold those books enough?
Because I just see people talking about the movies and TV show
@@ulrichstoffer4429yeah and they nuked the Legends universe which a good 80% of SW stories were from
You could be surprised at how many W40k books and other things are out there. And GW seems determined to make MORE and MORE. In the Black Library alone (GW publishing brand), there are 492 W40k Novels, NOT COUNTING the Horus Heresy stuff which despite being the same univers has it's own section and are like another 105 books. There have to be also some pre-black library stuff, but can't be too many. The thing is they keep coming, and coming at an accelerated rate. Just talking novels though. @@ulrichstoffer4429
@@hemlocktea6643 Cause SW now is divided by "legends" and "canon". The canon was created by Disney, who simply made old books, comics on the Expanded Universe (original canon) non-canon and called them "legends", killing the universe with their "edits". Of course people will talk about TV shows and movies, because now only Disney with its "canon" can produce them, they own SW after all, and people hate it
As a lifelong Star Wars fan I wish I got into 40k earlier. I saw Astartes in 2020 and that got me hooked. I've been saying ever since 40k is basically Star Wars but cooler.
I used to be in love with Star Wars Legends. Peak for me was probably modded Empire at War. A little after the new SW series was released and all Expanded Universe was swept under the rug, I started reading Imperial Guard novels on my breaks. I remember anxiously awaiting for TTS when those were still dropping because I fell in love with that. Around Corona Virus I went down the lore rabbit holes and I’ve never looked back. Praise the God Emprah. Also, It is cool to have joined the hobby, then witnessed mind boggling events to even long time fans such as the breaking of Cadia, the rise of Guillimane, and the return of the Lion. Constantly evolving setting.
It is so funny to see 40K be referred to as a constantly evolving setting because it was a big complaint until recently with Guilliman's resurrection that GW was not advancing the timeline and that we had been stuck in year 40.999 for decades.
Thought of course it is true that currently 40K storyline is advancing (even if there are people who are critical of the advancements, especially with the Primaris).
The TTS is in my heart forever, it’s a pity that I found out about them only after they have already closed it. I still blame GW for that! Little kitten FOREVER!!!
They're both fantasy settings with a sci fi aesthetic. It's what I love about both Warhammer and Star Wars.
Warhammer originally did not even have the sci-fi aesthetic, 40K is a spin-off of the original fantasy Warhammer.
People who complain about "lack" of grimdark dont understand you cant always add water to a cup. You need to remove some to add more later. Of course, you also cant remove it all and turn it into pure memehammer.
Yes but earlier editions were exactly that, an excessive and cheesy meme.
Imperium was bad just because they were a bunch of fanatics and schizoids. I agree with you that more nuance is good for the setting, but that original flavour was lost, so in the end we have a more conventional and streamline tone now.
There's the risk this is going to turn into a "yet another sci-fi setting with some fantasy elements" like Star Wars became.
@@ganjacomo2005 depends, how many star wars are we letting in, most of them abandoned star wars not to any real fault of thier own, but this is the modern audience. With 40k fans you can go with the mechanicus think tech is magic or that they understand tech but in a very religious way that seems absurd. Star wars fans sit in the 'dont care' region and that is an issue.
Having read so many Star Wars novels from Old Republic to High era and Yuuzhan Vong war, played nearly all games, Republic Commando x100... there are no words to describe my sorrow at such tragic demise of something I loved that much. Is happy 40K will be getting live action show with Cavill leading it and is not straying in those waters.
I used to be a Star Wars (still am), but the past years I’ve begun taking a renewed interest in Warhammer 40k and learning the lore
Warhammer has an unfair advantage: it steals from everyone. And I do mean EVERYONE.
It’s a chimera property, which is why I love it.
@@Kaiserboo1871 yep. I like it. It’s definitely an interesting universe.
this is why gatekeeping warhammer 40k is an important thing,,,,, to prevent what happened to star wars,,,,, the end.
I have been a massive Warhammer fan for years now. I love the fact that they produce audiobooks which allows me to get into the lore and setting a lot more extensively as I am blind.
Plus,Warhammer, 40,000 and Warhammer age of Sigmar simply has a much more rich setting. I can highly recommend Warhammer. Age of Sigmar also. A very interesting twist on the typical dark fantasy setting.
Star Wars doesn’t have demon-god plague wizards. Death guard forever 🦠🦠🦠
What renewed my interest in Star Wars:
Star Wars vs Warhammer 40K - AFanWithTooMuchTime.
The squeal trilogy shattered my interest in SW utterly. I had been getting into 40K for a while. This particular audio-drama series written by a serious fan of SW, set at the tail end of the Clone Wars where a massive fleet of Imperium ships appear just outside the galactic rim. Having a story that respects both universes, explores existing characters in new ways, while stating that because of the nature of SW the story will Rhyme with the films and legends material while being very different. The competency of the writer has rekindled my love for the SW universe, even though it may not be the official 'cannon' one.
[ Upon first seeing close ups of the imperial vessels, the human skulls and religious sculptures, one republic historian suspected that the Pius Dea had returned. ]
[ What would the Dark Lord of the Sith make of someone who claims to be Alpha Plus? ]
[ What would the Clone response be upon seeing the silent masked men from Kreig, charging in waves? ]
[ How would the Imperium view an army of mostly humans combating thinking machines? ]
[ The Jedi deployed on mass in full force - Thousands of witches wielding blades of light, prepared and organized. ]
Just to tease a little for those interested.
AFan did a hell of a job to represent both universes appropriately, he cares for SW more than bloody Disney.
Another man of culture, neat
I will check this out, but star wars is dead, Disney killed it and is parading it's corpse. There is absolutely no reason to hope something good will come out of it.
@@arthurmiranda8896 Just like anything else that bears the Disney name, all the best content comes from the 20th century.
Welcome to 40k, you have chosen your Emperor wisely.
The genres section of the video pretty much sums up why Warhammer (both fantasy and 40k) are great. Warhammer is a setting that authors can use to write any kind of story they want.
The Infinite and Divine is literally just two ancient millions of year old necrons bantering with each other and reminiscing on their accomplishments and the old days like two old grandpas having a beer together on a porch.
I was introduced to WH40k at my local Game Workshop in 2008 and it opened a whole new door for me back then as a teen. I bought the Battle of Maggrage starter set and hold no regrets ever experiencing it.
One thing i like about 40k lore is that alot of it is written to seen lile you dont have all the information on the subject. Its nice because when they add stuff to existing events/people, it feels like you're just getting more info on it. There are definitely some issues, but for the most part they do a decent job at it
That’s a doubled edged sword right there. Half the people will see the new lore and embrace it, the other half gets their lore from memes and shorts and rejects the new elaborated lore as a retcon
Abaddon the Despoiler, take your stage.
A good friend got me into Warhammer and even got me my first combat patrol box ( I play world eaters) but clone wars and episode 1-6 will always have a special place in my heart ❤️
As my chad friend Doomguy likes to do things - "gatekeep and purge... until it is safe".
I'll always keep the original Star Wars films close to my heart as I grew up loving them. When Revenge of the Sith wrapped, I needed a new space IP and discovered 40k through the Horus Rising book and the Dawn of War series. I love it so much now. I could never go back to SW while Disney owns it and I'm excited to watch 40k grow into the mainstream. If they can somehow keep it from going woke, it could be massive!
I wouldn’t worry about that after all didn’t gw state that it doesn’t matter all human beings in the warhammer setting get send to their deaths anyways😂
Henry Cavill's new project/partnership with GW & Amazon is a dream come true!
The only real potential problem I foresee with it, if it does become a massive commercial success, Bezos might turn his all-corrupting eyes upon it and try to destroy 40k like he has with their Rings of Power woke dumpster fire.
Granted, Cavill himself, and almost certainly GW as well, would probably nuke the entire setting before that were to actually happen.
Never forget, when GW launched the Horus Heresy system, literally a few paragraphs into the big rulebook's background section they reaffirmed & cemented that only boys/men can become Space Marines!
Twitter was a super fun place for a few weeks after that as the wokies & fem 40k lunatics went completely apes**t crazy over that one!🤣🤣🤣
You're legitimately insane if you think "wokeness" is what killed star wars, rather than just them reusing the same recycled cookie cutter plots, worlds, character archetypes, etc., that appeal to the lowest common denominator.
@@HimeDeliaGo woke go broke.
@@HimeDelia Yeah, they prioritized wokeness and quick profits over making a good product.
Great video. I grew up as a Prequel fan and loved the setting a lot. Big space battles (The Battle over Corusant), big army battled (The battle of Nabboo, the Geonosis Arena, the Utapau incursion), great characters (Obi-Wan, Anakin, Dooku, Mace Windu), the prequels were really my thing. A big galaxy of cool events and conflicts where you could find stories. Earlier games like Battlefronts (2005 one and the sequel), Empire at War, Jedi Academy made the setting expansive and rich. KotOR tacked on as well a history to the Galaxy and it enriched the magic of being a Star Wars fan.
But we don't really get that with the new Disney stuff, at least something more meaningful than a handfull of new planets (whenever they're not taking some from the EA) and mostly just 'desert/rocky/jungle/forest/plains duelling planet featured in one episode only'.
On the 40k side of things tho...
To be fair, the whole 'Guilliman Returns' bit is kind of well received. One, because this means less hyper-perfect ultramarines save the day every day and now they're getting their asses beat, allowing other chapters or legions the time to shine (Pariah Nexus is a good example); And two, because now he's a more interesting character that can't fix most of the Imperiums' issues and has to struggle with every facet of its 10.000 years of calcification of religious dogma and corrupted beaurocracy.
I'm more miffed that Cawl somehow recreated the Space Marines with Primaris and still remains an unaccounted plot device for the Imperium.
I started gaining interest for War Hammer after I saw wes hammer, major kill and other CZcamsrs with war hammer content. I loved every lore they shared like how the Horus heresy happened, the different variety of space marines’ armour, who the thunder warriors were, how the warp works, how cool the frickin chainsword is, and explaining who the different races and factions in the universe are (humanity are obviously the good guys😉). I downloaded the dawn of war series, one of the best game I’ve ever played so far with good story telling, great voice acting and most importantly how awesome the large scale battles are with each army having its own unique units and abilities. I also loved the war hammer memes from the communities that I’ve joined, sometimes I learn the lore from there. Hopefully I’ll get a War Hammer minis of my own and would get to play on a table top someday, and it’s in my bucket list.
I grew up with SW. My love for it peaked with Kotor 1 and 2. Then the dark ages came.
Some years ago I got into Dune and Im not going back. To me 40k is where I go to when I want to play or roleplay the violence that I imagine it happens in the post God-Emperor's era. For instance I love the SOB since they remind me of the Fish Speakers.
The Fish Speakers of Dune was one of the main influences of the Sisters of Battle.
As a long time 40k fan I’m glad 40k is starting to break into the mainstream, it has so much to offer from the story to the tabletop game (which is very fun but $$$) or the video games. It’s so dark and it’s so over the top to the point of comedy. For example In the last game of 40k I played a regular guy charged a 40ft Gundam looking mech and single handedly destroyed with a Chainsword (chainsaw on a sword) And then got suicide bombed by a flying saucer immediately after. See what I mean? Totally over the top and cheesy but it knows it’s cheesy.
"Breaking into the mainstream" is the worst thing that has happened to nerd culture.
@@greghannibal Agreed. I think as long as 40k fans gatekeep appropriately to keep the more destructive and degenerate types of people from latching on, ruining (and then running off to the next popular thing as they always do) we will be mostly fine. Im cautious about all the growing popularity of 40k, just as I am with anything else I enjoy, as it ends bad probably more often than it improves things.
@@nobelissimos8719 It really depends on whether Games Workshop caves or not. Once they have the creators on board, there's nothing much that can be done.
@@greghannibal Games Workshop has always been hated by it's fans, but it could always be worse. Lots of people moved over to battletech when they did that big thing with Warhammer+ and basically killed all fan animation.
Who were you fighting? From the expression of gundam, I'm guessing tau or eldar?
Simple, get woke go broke, see 40k and want to be in that badass universe with 0 bs
There's a reason Warhammer is still good after decades: Gatekeeping.
The creators never sold out and the fandom is so hardcore, that when Twitter and Reddit tried to take it over (akin to Berzerk), the fandom pushed back HARD and went "No, this isn't inclusive. No, it isn't for you. And no, we won't let you ruin it. Go. Away." Guess what? It worked.
@@Tom-sd9jbThe point is that there is so much variety that you can create your factions within the existing lore or pick anyone of them that's there.
The point is to encourage creativity/fun which the woke crowd absolutely despise.
lol are you high? Did you forget the whole "40K is for everyone" bit they did where they told people in their fan base "if your a faschists get the fuck out"? God people really do huff copium hard these days
@@Tom-sd9jb As in, there is something for everyone. You dont like the grimdark characters, well you can just make your own sub-faction of totally reasonable armies and no one is gonna stop you.
@hang_kentang6709 you described Tau
@@martinramirez1856 I was actually referring to the fanmade Reasonable Marines, which actually has a canon counterpart in the Raptors. I think that's why most people gravitates toward the spacemarines. You can create some out of the universe characters (decent, logical and noble) and it still will fall somewhere within the canon. Or, you can go ham and go full chaos.
I agree eith this so much. I grew up with both star wars, warhammer, and even mass effect and i noticed how there was a significant drop off in quality in star wars and mass effrct that it upset me so much i actually started learning how to become a writer and made my own sci fi universe! Im hoping to turn the story ive made into a podcast and releasing it as a debut novel by summertime
@@Tom-sd9jb youtube.com/@AuthorAustinR.Jordan-di8cp?si=rsONu-L7RVZtYV7b that'd my channel for when I post but right now it's empty as I'm still working on the story 😊 I'm hoping to post soon though maybe in 3 weeks to a month I'll start posting
Took a pretty similar path to yours, and i have a sneaking suspicion many more will.
Although your video did kinda underrepresent just how comically bad each faction is, it still got most things right, good on you.
Too bad GW has even more contempt for its fanbase than Disney.
Sadly this is almost true 😢
True but at least GW doesn't have contempt for the IP itself
Aye as Bob said, they might not be 100% with their fans but at least their iron grip on their IP will keep Warhammer "Warhammer" rather than wokehammer... like what happened with star woke
Nobody has more contempt for its fanbase than Disney
@@13Lictor gw unironicly hates its fans (see there policy on animation) but they are smart enough to know not to fuck with the ip thats making the mony its self
Warhammer is great because it’s a lot more fun community.
The stores are run by people who really like the franchise and overall all the fan base are very nice, compared to every other franchise arguing over absolutely everything all the time.
I still have my first nickname as a Star Wars fan, and my epitaph will be dedicated to 40k.
I've been into 40k lore for almost 20 years. Have read like 150+ novels and still want MORE lore and stuff to read/play/talk about.
Maybe Henry Cavill could bring us LotR style epicness at big screen/series. I have hope for his passion this time.
Welcome on-board SW fans just remember In the 41st millennium there is only war!
And leave the aspirations for female Astartes to the way side. It's not gonna happen, it literally is one of the only concrete lore pieces, and it makes ZERO sense.
@@redcell9636 A heretic can dream...
They killed the spirit of Star Wars, and did the same to Star Trek, Dr Who, Marvel and DC comics and their respective cinematic universes.
And then they killed Gears, Halo, and God of War became the big daddy saga, they killed the fun of those games.
I'm having fun with Warhammer, something I haven't done in a long time, I need to enjoy it before this ends too.
Добро пожаловать в покои Слаанеш.
Welcome to the Fandom. Glad to have you with us. Please get many others to join. The more the merrier.
I actually didn't truly discover WH40K until around 2018 when I saw a video comparing sci-fi armies that had the Space Marines in it and it made me curious enough to have a look into the franchise. It's enthralled me ever since and I'm absolutely loving it.
Yep, 40k is above all else, a setting for the Imagination, it doesn't even have to be grimdark, it can contain any story of any genre of any tone. So far GW has barely put a toe into the potential depth.
I think part of it is 40k is a setting designed to let the imagination run wild. Its in the best interest of the game that the players be able to tell just about any story or have any battle they can think of. Imperium fighting itself? perfectly fine. Some random OC chapter? perfectly fine. Heck there's even stories of the imperium working with xenos despite their supposed hardline stance. 40k feels so massive that just about anything can happen.
Star Wars is meant to capture the imagination, but its still primarily meant to tell a story. Everything else is just sort of extra lore to sell to the hardcore. Its galaxy also has generally felt really small (heck they don't even jump to lightspeed yet travel between places in the OT a few times). You have the core, the mid rim, and the outer rim. All the aliens are just random cantina -filler. I don't mean to say its bad, but I can see where 40k just feels so much more inviting.
@@Janx14 Exactly right, the story potential is vast and it somehow all feels more solid than Star Wars.
@@Janx14 Star Wars is very much a victim of "mission creep". It is very well done and perfectly self-contained in the original trilogy. If judged on the original trilogy alone then it is an absolute masterpiece. It is when you try to add to it that things go very wrong. It is one of if not the most over-milked cash cows ever.
Personally I find the people that bitch and moan about the setting getting less Grimdark with every heroic character that gets introduced to be not only morons, but also the worst elements of the community.
It happened with the Tau too, they were introduced as the only good faction of the galaxy and those people complained until GW made them all about ethereals being untrustworthy scheming bastards who may or may not have mind control. Which in turn made them boring when not dumb, just another faction of fools following liars like half the others.
I ask you this, what is more Grimdark? A setting where everyone is terrible and miserable and there is no hope? Or a setting where everything is dark and miserable, but there is one final shining beacon of hope, struggling against the darkness, a classic hero that would triumph over the evil in every other story, but is simply snuffed out, crushed, destroyed in the most brutal way by an uncaring galaxy.
You need light to contrast the darkness or it becomes meaningless. Shadows only grow as large as the flame that projects them. You need noble characters to bring down to the mud if you wish to make things grim.
This.
IT IS: .... G MAN AND HIS MASTERS OF THE GALAXY 😊
Warhammer is far closer to real life. There are no good guys or bad guys, just competing factions and forces of nature.
@@filteredjc4653 I hate that, "There are no good guys or bad guys." shtick. Truly understanding real life is realizing that the world isn't just black and white and it isn't just grey. It's all three. Some people are just evil and some people are just good. And some people are in between.
You have to use your own judgment to find out which.
@@spectralassassin6030 But in Warhammer it's different,..but well, there are good people in the factions, minus the chaos of course.
Dorn for example is fucking good, along with our angel Martyr, Sanguinius.
The Emperor of Humanity, for example, is Vulcan, they are all good to me
(Forget about little Aeldari, because he already barbecued himself, and became slanesh food 😈)
For a story universe called “Star Wars”, they did a great job of making the scale feel so small it was neither galactic in scale, nor did you see anything sizeable enough to be considered “war”. It felt more like “occasional space skirmish”.
You never really read the EU, I suppose.
I used to be a Star Wars fan (and some what still am when it's good) but I've been doing 40k since around 2018, I must say that it is a far more enjoyable experience than star wars ever was
Oh there’s a warhammer movie…we don’t talk about it.
If you want a W40k movie, watch Event Horizon. It's basically about humanity's very first contact with the Warp, so it can be treated like a prequel to Warhammer universe, set before the times of the Emperor.
why not?? you are not gonna telling me that you believe everything that its canon is 100% precise, right? because that would be absolute funny.
The Helsreach fan movie is a way better adaptation of the franchise.
Watch Helsreach, it's fucking awesome
I have more respect for Warhammer in every sense that it doesn't hate its own fans. It's a no brainer that Star Wars fans are leaving to Warhammer now it's simply better.
You guys must be new lol stay away from black library and go to boldermort🎉 he IS the faithful servant
> Warhammer doesn't hate it's fans
Emperor TTS says What?
.......are you new to this fandom?
Games Workshop is even worse than Disney when it comes to how they treat fans.
I love your innocence before the universe of contradictions, abuse of prices for plastic figurines and the great plot armor not to lose the opportunity of the company to continue selling your favorite chapter.
GW hates its fans
Just in a very different way.
I grew up with Star Wars, and there are a few reasons I'm starting to get into Warhammer. One is he content. Well done, respects old lore, and very interesting. Two is the designs of characters. They're so unique and you struggle to find something else like it. Three is the fact that it is very dark and grim. I've been advocating to my friends for an IRL clone wars show that's realistic, bloody, with curse words, the whole shebang. Warhammer is pretty much that, but just as cool.
Well done. I agree with all of the points you bring up. The origins of starwars have been incredible, but ever since it was bought by Disney, it has become fubar. While the whole setting of warhammer 40k is supposed to be fubar, I find it very interesting. Yes, I sometimes get really annoyed that my Aeldari (warhammer 40k elves) are ignored, with half of there model line being old enough to drink, and that even my Imperium of Manking Grey Knights get almost no attention or love, I cannot help but enjoying the warhammer 40k setting. I always love lore discussions of the game with friends, especially if it amounts to making fun of the T'au Empire (sorry T'au players. I have lost too many a farseer to some crisis battlesuits). I will never stop loving warhammer 40k. Its just so much fun.
This is very interesting.
Your journey into Warhammer was quite similar if not the exact same as mine.
I was also a die hard fan of Star Wars for as long as I can remember. But due to its mismanagement I looked elsewhere. And would you know it - about 2 years ago I found out Warhammer was a thing. With its decades of lore, hundreds of books, thousands of hours of lore and a great tabletop wargame(s) it quickly became my favourite fictional setting.
I absolutely love both and can speak for hours about the lore of both genres. So many ship and Droid types, so many factions and xenos, and I want to know them all. Did you know the tusken raiders and jawas where once the same species? Their planet got glassed so hard that they had to hide in the planets massive caves for so long that the two different groups in different cave systems became so different from another that they are basically different species
That lore is far gone.
Most star wars lore is just over explanations for every little detail from the films because there was no real explanation or purpose to those things when George was first making them.
@@nobelissimos8719 what makes it more irelevant unlike 40k lore.
Can't I like something without being criticized?
@@nobelissimos8719 okay? I don't see how that makes it worse
Star Wars was by no means Grimdark, but it definitely used to have a dark edge that allowed for SW’s noble-bright to feel good.
It was lost to Disney.
I once had a blaster, now I have a bolter and a power sword
And may the Emperor's light guides your path.
What I love about 40K is the ability of the normal people to create their own factions, cause 40Ks Imperium of Man is canonically shit at record keeping it allows people to create what is called homebrew factions, be they Space Marine, Astra Militarum, any of the Xenos, and Chaos warbands, it just keeps the community alive, especially since if your homebrew becomes very popular and you tell GW about they might make it canon, they’ve done it before
Edit: i just thought about the angry marines who are very popular but are not canon because they are just a warhammer meme, so keep in mind that theyve gotta make sense in the universe and nit just a meme marine, which is the name of another homebrew if i remember correctly
that's solid point that people don't talk about to often
I used to be a hardcore SW fan and thought WH was just absurd and overly edgy.
I am now an avid WH fan and know more about WH than I do of SW. I enjoy WH much more and I never suffer from a lack of content or variety.
Baby Yoda and the hype for Jarjar killed my love for SW.
40k is edgy, but with reason. You can't make a demon without sacrificing a few million innocent souls.
@@tarektechmarine8209 And no matter how hard you try, things will not always goes your way
Id recommend if everyone gatekeeps Warhammer as much as you can, dont let it end up like starwars with all the tourists
My favorite part of Start Wars was reading the Rogue Squadron books as a kid. The prequels came out and they were ok, so were the cartoons, but by the sequel trilogy I had had enough. I was Star Wars'd out. It's oversaturated, and the stories feel small, with the same stakes on the line each time. Getting into 40k and reading the novels took me back to those Rogue Squadron EU days. 40k does feel like a massive galaxy where the stakes are larger, the stories are endless, and the scenarios of where it's all going are infinite. I know ultimately the conclusions are a little conservative because they need to sell tabletop minis, they're not going to kill an entire faction, but I appreciate the real sense of dread that occurs in every story.
Star was Expanded Universe (now non-cannon) was pretty good with a lot of stories, exploration, war and good writing.
Sadly it is the Disney taint that dragged it down into the mud.
40k is good and I also greatly enjoy it... I just warn people that there is still some taint and problems with its progression.
Before it was Games workshop hunting down continent creators and banning fan works and projects.
In the future Amazon will have a 40k love action project in the works and while Henry Cavil is a good man... We can't be sure if this won't end up like the Witcher series.
Where it promised to be faithful and he left (stuck doing season 3) when he knew they were going to trash it.
40k had a lot of mess with the Horus Heresy series near the middle/end of the line... Especially the emperor's wife.
Woman retcon the chaos gods stealing the primachs and throwing them threw the warp to a woman who claimed she built the space marines and then shot her children through the warp so they wouldn't be raised by big E... Thus setting the destruction of the galaxy do to a whiny fit.
40K is good for now because it has a lot more good properties than bad ones... But just beware the taint that ruined Star wars may be after 40k next.
Oh an anyone who says Amazon is different than disney.
Look at Rings of Power. They fired every Tolkien Expert until they found one that would agree with whatever they said and took their money for that garbage show.
And how people are worried about their new Fallout Live Action series set in the heart of the NCR without the NCR seeming to exist anymore.
Beware the tourist, the activist and the feminist.
As a formar Star Wars Fan
I was a CIS supporter because since childhood i felt sorry for the "Silly Goofy Droids"
seeing Adeptus Mechanicus just felt right to me they make me smile and are my favorite Faction
Praise Archmagos Cawl! and the Omnissiah!
You summed up feelings I didn't know that I had, great video, thank you!
I grew up watching/Reading Star wars and playing the Star wars games but I lost interest in it due to how Disney handled it and I've been loving Warhammer40k for over 6 years I've been reading the Horus heresy books Cadian novels and I've been playing Dawn of war though I'm late in the game I love it Warhammer40k is just my new favorite thing I don't even think about Star wars anymore
When i was younger
"Ooh star wars"
Then a little later
"Ooh halo"
Then later while i like them both
"Ooh warhammer"
Written and directed by George lucas
This is very close to my experience as well, I was a Star Wars fan since the early 80s, I grew up with it, and hon, Luke, and Leah were my childhood heroes. It hurt for a long time seeing what Disney did to it, however, I moved on to 40 K and haven’t looked back
I made the move from Star Wars to 40k and never looked back.
welcome to the grim dark futcuer of the 41st melenia brother
Same thing here. When I was younger, I loooved star wars, especially the clone wars series and the prequels.
Lately I have lost all interest in the setting. I have been a fan of warhammer for around 7-8 years, but I am ore and more invested into it. The Lore is absolutely insane and bring everything I loved about the clone wars.
The setting has so much potential
I'm still a Star Wars fan, if only because of Andor and the Bad Batch reigniting my passion for the universe and reminding me that Star Wars can be good in the right hands, but I've also been finding myself drawn into Warhammer for a while now. I haven't read any of the novels, but I've been catching up on the lore and its just so cool.
Never was truly invested in Star Wars tbh, but I welcome its fans to Warhammer. I can confidently say that after like 7 years of reading and hanging out with diehard fans I still know so little about 40k, yet it only makes me more excited to learn, I hope newcomers would share my enthusiasm.
I hadn't stopped to think about it, but the first time I asked my warhammer-fan friend to tell me about the scenario was little after I realized how bad episode 8 fucked up (that was before Solo was released), and, despite my introduction to the setting being through one of the most fucked up villains (the Nitghlords Omnibus), by the end of the first book I was already hooked (even if later on I would change factions and come to realize that Aaron have hate boners for the Blood Angels). I had never considered why I liked 40k so much right from the start, but I think you nailed it... it delivered on the nostalgia that the trailers for Force Awakens promissed but didn't deliver
Three words: DISNEY Star Wars.