Yeah, I had to tell a doctor that. It wasn’t when I got leg surgery or anything. But when I went through alcohol withdrawals in a hospital and my family doctor came and saw me every day. I told her that when she discharged me. It’s pretty much the only withdrawal you can die from.
@@josephfranzese2048 hmm that does make sense yes but the way i thought was like how drugs are self destructive and hes gonna end up in jail again and just overall have a miserable life but his facial reconstruction gave him a chance to feel confidence and its gonna save him now.
It's a misconception that autistic people don't experience empathy. A more accurate view is that we don't experience sympathy, but we can experience extreme empathy. I struggle to feel anything if something bad happens to someone that I haven't really experienced before (sympathy). For example, if someone lost their job, I would comfort and advise and help them, but I would find it difficult to feel the "correct" emotions for them, because I have never had or lost a job. But if I can relate to their experience, for example, if someone loses a loved one or experiences bullying, it's like I am experiencing their emotions (empathy) with them, and it upsets me greatly and I feel like I have to take on their problems as my own. A lot of autistic people relate to this, and I think we need to get rid of the myth that just because we express our empathy differently doesn't mean we don't have it. We often have an overwhelming amount of empathy that we express in many ways, it's sympathy we usually struggle with.
@@sheepyhead0399 I think you're mixing up empathy and sympathy, but aside from that, great explanation! Adding my own observations: people with autism _can_ use empathy, but only in a way that's very deliberate and thus incredibly resource intensive. People with autism have a deficiency in mirror-neurons which are a special type of neuron that reflexively makes people's brains simulate what they're observing in others. To compensate for this diminished ability to instinctively understand other people's physical and mental states, autistic people can develop a more 'reason-based empathy', which pretty much equates to "manually doing the work of mirror-neurons by mapping other people's circumstances onto yourself and then sympathizing with them"
I’m autistic and probably have too much empathy. Everyone is different but this is such a common misconception and I feel like it’s not true a lot of the time. It’s not a lack of empathy, I think our empathy just looks different sometimes.
I have Aspergers and I've noticed I DO feel empathy but A) I have trouble showing it because I've basically tried myself to be smiley and pleasant constantly and B) sometimes I put it in the wrong places. I'll feel bad about little things, but I won't react much to really bad news.
I also think it just presents differently, we may also have a tendency to come to different range of conclusions - because we perceive somewhat differently and have some differences in our own needs, and just misjudge, because we'd feel somewhat differently in the given situation [not to mention individual differences too]. But I also think neurotypicals fail us here back! I think it's mostly the matter of simply not really understanding each other's perspective close enough, plus we're more awkward at the social stuff (even those of us who mask well), which might contrubute a lot to the "lack of empathy" impression, not to mention we're a small minority, no wonder why it's our ways that are seen as the faulty... From the majority's perspective it just feels like that, but it's us who constantly experience the state of feeling misunderstood despite all the empathy neurotypical population is supposed to have:P I feel like if there were e.g. 33% neurotypicals and 33% autists in the total population, those would just be even or close to even... (As an autistic ADHDer I feel even worse as an empathy recipient, I guess xD things just generally get more complicated because not only the ASD is unique for each autist, ADHD has variability within itself, and there comes the mix of two spectrum-structured wirings with some opposing traits^^; empathy, no matter the direction, gets even more challenging here)
I completely agree, I experience a lot of empathy, but sometimes I express it differently and people misinterpret it as a lack thereof. I think part of the misconception also comes from the fact that a lot of autistic people, myself included, struggle with sympathy rather than empathy. If someone experiences something that I can't relate to at all in any way (like losing a job - I have never had or lost a job, or had any similar experience), chances are I will struggle to feel anything at all (but I'll still help them and comfort them of course, that's compassion). Part of sympathy is also acknowledging that the other person is having negative emotions, which I often miss unless it's explicitly stated or shown. It's when someone experiences something that I can relate to, even just a little bit (like bullying, losing a loved one, moving house, loneliness) that I will experience empathy, extreme empathy, like I am experiencing their problems with them. But I express that empathy differently - sometimes it's delayed, sometimes I can't put it into words, sometimes I give gifts, sometimes I put it into way too many words, sometimes I have a meltdown and sometimes I just exist in that space with someone doing nothing, like parallel play.
I’m autistic and I have to much empathy I think mostly because I feel my emotions so strongly and instantly like if a little thing made someone upset they would Move on with there day but for me it almost feels tragic and gutrenching but the problem with my empathy is I don’t know how to express empathy or feelings I feel it but can’t express it
The way I see it autistic people are actually hyper sensitive which makes some extreme cases hard to understand for non autistic people but this does seem to lead to enhanced empathy for austistic people the only problem is they're expression of it often does not translate well.
Autistic people DO lack cognitive empathy (understand perspective) for non-autists. The double standard here is so do non-autists in the same degree to autists. It's called double empathy and the issue is that only one side is perceived as lacking empathy, while in reality both do. Autists do however have higher than normal affective empathy (understand and share emotions). Non-autistic individuals don't notice it because autists typically express emotions differently and thus believe they lack empathy when not showing emotions as expected.
Thank you for bringing up the double standard! When my current therapist first explained Theory of Mind, I spent the first couple sessions going "hold up, you do notice that this material proves a failing to empathize with autistic people, right?" Luckily he did, and I made leaps and bounds understanding myself through realizing ways neurotypicals are uniquely challenged compared to us
It is true to an extent that most autists lack cognitive empathy for others, I have an autistic brother who finds it hard to understand things like reasons for why something is morally wrong and stuff like that. One autist can't speak for all other autists, it's a spectrum for a reason, everyone is different, so there isn't a 'right' way to portray autism.
@@sarahisapeach2758 Morals are relative, meaning there's no objectively correct interpretation. I can't speak for your brother, but for me: It helps when people verbalise what happened, and which facts caused them to feel which emotions. It helps me to tap into the age-old exercise of "how would you feel if...", allowing me to empathize through sympathy
@@wessltov I understand what you're saying and I'm glad that works for you, but for my beother it doesn't. It's impossible to get through to him so I've just accepted that he has no understanding of the concept of morals.
@@yoloyolo7357 Is there a reason you would believe that? Why not just shut up and not say anything at all when it, in no way, concerns you? That comment makes you look like an insensitive asshole who belives himself better than everyone else. And It was cringy. Really cringy.
I watched the series before my own diagnosis, and I felt it was quite ableist... I had much more empathy for the character than most of characters or the plot had for him... Sometimes I was feeling angry for how they were pushing him into acting neurotypical and not minding his in-born needs at all... Now I'm diagnosed, I think I understand why I felt like this... (according to the currently in-retirement classification I'm within Asperger's, and as a woman I developed intricate masking, I didn't realise on my own because my traits are less spectacular - I signed up for an ADHD or related diagnosis and just happened to be recognised as both [and I admit it does make perfect sense to me now]) My psychiatrist didn't tell me to change on my autism but to adapt (what I can) to it and realise and respect I do have different needs, e.g. less socialising, I'm only "treating" my overwhelming ADHD executive disfunction. But the series seems to be sort of force-treating Murphy's ASD even if he doesn't want it? Like pushing him into non-crucial social interactions to levels I did and still do consider ableist... Idk, something feels wrong to me. Expecting a surgeon(surgeon!) to socially interact with patients is silly by principle, and they are pushing a socially lacking (by his upbringhing, it seems to me) autist to do this silly thing too... I get it, the system won't adapt to the minority's needs, typical, but, ugh, I'm still feeling distasteful about this how they just push him into this, no dedicated therapy or whatever, it's the "just do it" way...? I wouldn't handle this, and my traits are milder...
I have autism but also have a bit of a hard time with empathy. I kind of relate to some things Shaun struggles with, I think it would just depend on the person a lot.
As an autistic person myself and I did in a lot of research on it there are many autistics that look like they don’t have empathy, but they do I had very much trouble picking up on social cues and that’s why people think I wasn’t empathetic, but I have different ways of showing it Murphy has different ways of showing it. It’s cool how they represented that, but they never said anything that all autistics were not empathetic.
"You save my life." I wonder how doctors feel these words.
Like a hero
Yeah, I had to tell a doctor that. It wasn’t when I got leg surgery or anything. But when I went through alcohol withdrawals in a hospital and my family doctor came and saw me every day. I told her that when she discharged me.
It’s pretty much the only withdrawal you can die from.
Empathy in action is more real than Empathy in words.
Sometimes words is action
Omg I didn't realize he was saving pills for suicide. My heart dropped.
@@KaneMODS the patient he wasn't taking his pain meds and saved them up so he could take them and overdoes and possibly dying
Idk i always thought he was saving it to sell it. I mean he was in for drug possession and dealing.
@@anan3367 I always thought so too but the dialogue really feels to lead to the suicide. Saving his life and pointing it out and all that.
@@josephfranzese2048 hmm that does make sense yes but the way i thought was like how drugs are self destructive and hes gonna end up in jail again and just overall have a miserable life but his facial reconstruction gave him a chance to feel confidence and its gonna save him now.
Just because someone might not experience empathy doesn't mean they can't be compassionate. It's pretty obvious Shaun cares for his patients.
It's a misconception that autistic people don't experience empathy. A more accurate view is that we don't experience sympathy, but we can experience extreme empathy. I struggle to feel anything if something bad happens to someone that I haven't really experienced before (sympathy). For example, if someone lost their job, I would comfort and advise and help them, but I would find it difficult to feel the "correct" emotions for them, because I have never had or lost a job.
But if I can relate to their experience, for example, if someone loses a loved one or experiences bullying, it's like I am experiencing their emotions (empathy) with them, and it upsets me greatly and I feel like I have to take on their problems as my own.
A lot of autistic people relate to this, and I think we need to get rid of the myth that just because we express our empathy differently doesn't mean we don't have it. We often have an overwhelming amount of empathy that we express in many ways, it's sympathy we usually struggle with.
@@sheepyhead0399 Precisely. It's exactly like this.
@@sheepyhead0399 I think you're mixing up empathy and sympathy, but aside from that, great explanation!
Adding my own observations: people with autism _can_ use empathy, but only in a way that's very deliberate and thus incredibly resource intensive.
People with autism have a deficiency in mirror-neurons which are a special type of neuron that reflexively makes people's brains simulate what they're observing in others.
To compensate for this diminished ability to instinctively understand other people's physical and mental states, autistic people can develop a more 'reason-based empathy', which pretty much equates to "manually doing the work of mirror-neurons by mapping other people's circumstances onto yourself and then sympathizing with them"
I’m autistic and probably have too much empathy. Everyone is different but this is such a common misconception and I feel like it’s not true a lot of the time. It’s not a lack of empathy, I think our empathy just looks different sometimes.
I have Aspergers and I've noticed I DO feel empathy but A) I have trouble showing it because I've basically tried myself to be smiley and pleasant constantly and B) sometimes I put it in the wrong places. I'll feel bad about little things, but I won't react much to really bad news.
I also think it just presents differently, we may also have a tendency to come to different range of conclusions
- because we perceive somewhat differently and have some differences in our own needs, and just misjudge, because we'd feel somewhat differently in the given situation [not to mention individual differences too]. But I also think neurotypicals fail us here back! I think it's mostly the matter of simply not really understanding each other's perspective close enough, plus we're more awkward at the social stuff (even those of us who mask well), which might contrubute a lot to the "lack of empathy" impression, not to mention we're a small minority, no wonder why it's our ways that are seen as the faulty... From the majority's perspective it just feels like that, but it's us who constantly experience the state of feeling misunderstood despite all the empathy neurotypical population is supposed to have:P I feel like if there were e.g. 33% neurotypicals and 33% autists in the total population, those would just be even or close to even...
(As an autistic ADHDer I feel even worse as an empathy recipient, I guess xD things just generally get more complicated because not only the ASD is unique for each autist, ADHD has variability within itself, and there comes the mix of two spectrum-structured wirings with some opposing traits^^; empathy, no matter the direction, gets even more challenging here)
As an autistic young woman I have too much empathy that it's extremely difficult to control or even manage.
I completely agree, I experience a lot of empathy, but sometimes I express it differently and people misinterpret it as a lack thereof.
I think part of the misconception also comes from the fact that a lot of autistic people, myself included, struggle with sympathy rather than empathy. If someone experiences something that I can't relate to at all in any way (like losing a job - I have never had or lost a job, or had any similar experience), chances are I will struggle to feel anything at all (but I'll still help them and comfort them of course, that's compassion). Part of sympathy is also acknowledging that the other person is having negative emotions, which I often miss unless it's explicitly stated or shown.
It's when someone experiences something that I can relate to, even just a little bit (like bullying, losing a loved one, moving house, loneliness) that I will experience empathy, extreme empathy, like I am experiencing their problems with them. But I express that empathy differently - sometimes it's delayed, sometimes I can't put it into words, sometimes I give gifts, sometimes I put it into way too many words, sometimes I have a meltdown and sometimes I just exist in that space with someone doing nothing, like parallel play.
It depends on person and level
I’m autistic and I have to much empathy I think mostly because I feel my emotions so strongly and instantly like if a little thing made someone upset they would
Move on with there day but for me it almost feels tragic and gutrenching but the problem with my empathy is I don’t know how to express empathy or feelings I feel it but can’t express it
The way I see it autistic people are actually hyper sensitive which makes some extreme cases hard to understand for non autistic people but this does seem to lead to enhanced empathy for austistic people the only problem is they're expression of it often does not translate well.
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@@msk-qp6fnThey are= they're. It's correct. Their is wrong, it's possesive
Autistic people DO lack cognitive empathy (understand perspective) for non-autists. The double standard here is so do non-autists in the same degree to autists. It's called double empathy and the issue is that only one side is perceived as lacking empathy, while in reality both do. Autists do however have higher than normal affective empathy (understand and share emotions). Non-autistic individuals don't notice it because autists typically express emotions differently and thus believe they lack empathy when not showing emotions as expected.
Thank you for bringing up the double standard!
When my current therapist first explained Theory of Mind, I spent the first couple sessions going "hold up, you do notice that this material proves a failing to empathize with autistic people, right?"
Luckily he did, and I made leaps and bounds understanding myself through realizing ways neurotypicals are uniquely challenged compared to us
I hate the myth that us Autistic people don't have empathy it is total and utter bollucks.
Some don't though. Well at least deprived levels of empathy
It is true to an extent that most autists lack cognitive empathy for others, I have an autistic brother who finds it hard to understand things like reasons for why something is morally wrong and stuff like that. One autist can't speak for all other autists, it's a spectrum for a reason, everyone is different, so there isn't a 'right' way to portray autism.
@@sarahisapeach2758 Morals are relative, meaning there's no objectively correct interpretation.
I can't speak for your brother, but for me:
It helps when people verbalise what happened, and which facts caused them to feel which emotions.
It helps me to tap into the age-old exercise of "how would you feel if...", allowing me to empathize through sympathy
@@wessltov I understand what you're saying and I'm glad that works for you, but for my beother it doesn't. It's impossible to get through to him so I've just accepted that he has no understanding of the concept of morals.
@@sarahisapeach2758 Glad to hear that, thanks for following up.
I'm sorry for trying to fix something that isn't broken
Autistic people have tons of empathy. This clip is perpetuating myths that harm autistics.
@@yoloyolo7357 Is there a reason you would believe that? Why not just shut up and not say anything at all when it, in no way, concerns you? That comment makes you look like an insensitive asshole who belives himself better than everyone else. And It was cringy. Really cringy.
Yolo Yolo They are completely and utterly correct. And you are being rude ands uncalled for. This person is telling you facts n
I watched the series before my own diagnosis, and I felt it was quite ableist... I had much more empathy for the character than most of characters or the plot had for him... Sometimes I was feeling angry for how they were pushing him into acting neurotypical and not minding his in-born needs at all...
Now I'm diagnosed, I think I understand why I felt like this... (according to the currently in-retirement classification I'm within Asperger's, and as a woman I developed intricate masking, I didn't realise on my own because my traits are less spectacular - I signed up for an ADHD or related diagnosis and just happened to be recognised as both [and I admit it does make perfect sense to me now])
My psychiatrist didn't tell me to change on my autism but to adapt (what I can) to it and realise and respect I do have different needs, e.g. less socialising, I'm only "treating" my overwhelming ADHD executive disfunction. But the series seems to be sort of force-treating Murphy's ASD even if he doesn't want it? Like pushing him into non-crucial social interactions to levels I did and still do consider ableist... Idk, something feels wrong to me. Expecting a surgeon(surgeon!) to socially interact with patients is silly by principle, and they are pushing a socially lacking (by his upbringhing, it seems to me) autist to do this silly thing too... I get it, the system won't adapt to the minority's needs, typical, but, ugh, I'm still feeling distasteful about this how they just push him into this, no dedicated therapy or whatever, it's the "just do it" way...? I wouldn't handle this, and my traits are milder...
I have autism but also have a bit of a hard time with empathy. I kind of relate to some things Shaun struggles with, I think it would just depend on the person a lot.
As an autistic person myself and I did in a lot of research on it there are many autistics that look like they don’t have empathy, but they do I had very much trouble picking up on social cues and that’s why people think I wasn’t empathetic, but I have different ways of showing it Murphy has different ways of showing it. It’s cool how they represented that, but they never said anything that all autistics were not empathetic.
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Love it. So much emotion in this show omgosh🥹