The New Home 8 Energy Storage System from LG ***FULL INSTALLATION***
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- čas přidán 3. 02. 2023
- Come along for the ride on a full installation of the new LG Home 8 Energy Storage System!
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Nice looking battery . If it works looks like it would be a good solution . If it works as advertised . Looking forward to the vids.
I have a 10kw off grid setup
I ran it to my a/c, dryer, washing machine, 3 fridges/freezer, home office and all my garage and it handles all that easy 4.8 of pv
Does it work for you? Because I want to install for my exist solar system.
Will this unit charge from the grid then auto-switch to battery power at a given time of day. Our hydro offers 2.4 ¢ /kwh between 11pm and 7 am every day. My thoughts are to charge batteries at that cheap rate and then auto-switch at 7 am run my house all day then switch at 11pm back to the grid for charging. Of course my home will be running on the grid between 11pm and 7am as well. In my thinking my home will be using 2.4 ¢ /kwh rate all the time. Is this correct.
Thanks for the video. I had looked at Tesla power wall and Generac casually more pedestrian interest. I like the look on the wall but the price and internet requirement for Tesla was a red flag for me. I live in north Texas and have a daily need of 67kWh to 100kWh based on 3 years of utility consumption. So … not a small requirement. Anyway not to bore you with my problems haha. I do like the look of a power wall … maybe I will look further and I will be watching your experience. I always like to learn from others. Lol. Have a very good week!
This is a little more expensive than tesla unfortunately. They also have the internet requirement for the warranty. I would stay away from generac though, they're not doing too well.
Looks great. Nice combiner box too. I love your videos Ben. BTW, what's hanging on your wall at 23:18?
Very promising. Looking forward to the update. Checking prices, it seems inline with with expectation for turn-key. Doesn't look like the PV can be straight DC. Manuals shows going through an inverter first. Can the system provide signal to keep PV on during grid outage? Does the system require internet to function fully (minus updates of course)? Last, I have my internet, main switch, and WiFi on a small computer battery backup to run for about 20 minutes. Generator should kick in after about 10 seconds, BUT just in case .. because you know. internet :)
It takes AC coupled solar only. It will keep the microgrid alive and keep the solar running until the battery is full, then frequency shift to curtail the solar. Doesn't need internet to be fully functional, but does require it for the 10 year warranty. I'm sure a couple drops wouldn't be an issue though.
Maybe I missed it, but is your frankenbattery and the schneider connected? I am not clear on what from your menagerie is connected or switched off. Basic issue is: what is wired to what and not, in particular, are the only inputs to the LG your grid and
It is an AC coupled product, no DC input from solar.
Looking forward to the update on these. I’m having a 15.5 KW array installed with IQ8’s so this seems like it would be a perfect match for AC coupling with the least amount of modules for me.
Have you seen anything in your research that says these with Enphase IQ8’s wouldn’t be a good match ?
Love your videos keep up the great work.
IQ8 would be fine for this. You'll likely want at least 2 of these batteries to be able to handle all of the solar. If the solar input goes over the charging rating of the battery when off grid, the battery will frequency shift to slow the solar down or shut it off, depending on the grid profile you use for the Enphase inverters.
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High voltage may be good but all that computer controlled electronics is good when it works.
I mean, you could say that about any inverter, really. This one doesn't have to boost the voltage up from 48v or less. The nice part here is that everything can be controlled from the Smart Energy Box or your phone/computer.
How would you pick between something like this, enohase, solaredge vs a hybrid inverter with a solark or Schneider XW pro?
It really depends what you already have and what you want to do or power. Enphase will only work with enphase solar, solaredge I believe will only work with solaredge (or it just won't work at all). Tesla or LG would be a good AC coupled battery if you already have solar and want whole home backup. Sol-ark had built in charge controllers but can ac couple as well. It will shut your whole house down any time you update it, but can do 200a pass-through with the 15k. Schneider is better for DC coupled on or off grid, but can AC couple as well. They also just came out with a whole house transfer switch.
@@benssolarandbattery just moved in my old house. I had a AC couple solar edge and then did the whole house back with an XW +5548. It also had a little bit of DC couple solar and a high breading system worked, but really was a crunch on usability. I think it would be a lot nicer to stay all within one brand :)
I’m leaning towards a DC couple system so I can add a small wind turbine in the future. I have a fairly strong preference towards the Snyder system. Any issues you’ve seen with it?
@Miweatherspotter1 schneider used to be pretty glitchy, but they've made a bunch of improvements in the last couple years. Handles loads very well. Overall a good system and fairly easy to install as long as you get all of the parts and pieces. (PDP or mini PDP, insight home, Battery Monitor if you don't have closed loop batt comm, all of the correct breakers)
@@benssolarandbattery I am very interested in off grid with just some grid supplemental electric when the grid is available. It looks like the Schnieder off-grid features have the best potential here. Can you review their system with the whole house transfer switch? As this seems to have been the area of issue with their system. TY
@@Jon-ie8kk if I have the opportunity to work with one, I will certainly make a video of it.
Whats the rough cost on this? I have been thinking of going with a prebuilt system after playing with DIY for a long time.
You can get it at NAZ for $13,200 plus shipping. Not cheap, but good quality.
@@benssolarandbattery this price already include install?
@@TrangLe-fk6uj no
Are they planning to use lifepo4 cells?
Not that I know of.
Awesome video, I can’t hardly find any info regarding this system. We’re you happy with it?
Very happy! I'm still cycling it daily and it's working well. I could definitely use another one, but haven't bought one yet.
I am still waiting for the system that can by directional with my car to the stationary bettery.. i see no good reason to explude that nice sized battery in the car... and i have high speed charges 15-30 minutes around my home area to top it back up if needed..
Do you happen to know why they only support 4 units connected to the controller? I don't like the idea of not having much of an easy upgrade path if I miss-estimated my power budget in going off grid. They have 4 dip switches to set the address (currently 1 switch per address). Panasonic recently announced their Evervolt 13.5kWh and 18kWh battery products, which also scales to 4 units, but with a higher charge/discharge rate. It seems powerwalls scale until they run out of CAN bandwidth and then it falls on its face, but that point is ~7-8 units, not 4. Even the new Enphase 5P batteries can scale to 80kWh (16 5Ps). I'm really glad that there is a bunch of competition in the AC coupled battery space, maybe it will result in some pricing pressure to bring the $/kWh down.
I'd love to see a follow up video now that you have had the unit for a ~4months.
I don't know why the 4 unit limit is there, but that is what you can tie into the SEB. I will try to make a follow-up soon, it's been working really well.
That's all the amperage that the smart energy box can handle. You could split up your load center and go with one smart energy box and four batteries and then do another Smart energy box and another four batteries.
@@user-ke9yk5qp3u I'm considering the LG Home 8 for a non-grid tied application. The initial energy model says I can get away with ~54 Kw. But I really want to have an capacity upgrade path in case the estimate is wrong. I don't need more current, just more Kw/h for longer runs without sun in the winter. I was not planning on using the breakers in the SE box, just use the controller, PV CT connection and CAN control. It would be nice if the SE box could talk to more then just 4 batteries. They have 4 bits of CAN ID, and I'd hope there is plenty of CAN bandwidth to talk to additional devices.
@@taylorbespoke well I have this product at my home, and if you are not going to use it on the grid, I strongly advise you pick another product line. Go with Sol-Ark.
Can you do a separate video for commissioning?
I will work on one.
What's the general price per battery ?
Online they can be had for $11,200ea, plus $2,000 for the SEB.
What is that silly circuit breaker on the side of the battery. Looks like it came out of an old German submarine. ?
It's a higher voltage DC breaker for the battery circuit.
can you do an install in NJ/
Not me, but check out LG's website and they should be able to put you in touch with an installer.
Hey Ben. Can u help me with commissioning system?
Send me an email: Benssolarandbattery@gmail.com and I'll send you the quick commissioning guide. It's pretty straightforward.
Thank you. Already send you email
is this unit 48volt ?
No. I think it's 400v on the battery side.
400 vdc
Price? Battery price? Gateway?
Online I see the battery for $11,200 and the required SEB for another $2,000.
Greetings, Ben! How much?
It can be bought online for $13,200 plus shipping. Not cheap for sure, but the quality seems to be there.
@@benssolarandbattery Hey Ben, thanks for the info. Not cheap for sure but it never hurts to have options!
Since these are LG NMC battery cells, they're going to have a helluva time selling them. Any stationary storage system that isn't using Lithium Iron-Phosphate cells, which are much safer AND have a much longer cycle life, isn't going to attract many buyers. Nobody in their right mind would go with NMC, if they truly understand what they're buying. The only place where NMC is still relevant is where gravimetric energy density is absolutely critical, like in a handheld device or other portable electronics. With CATL's introduction of LMFP, that further reduces the market for NMC in home energy storage. There really isn't even a discussion to be had.
There is actually a large market for NMC ESS batteries right now. Tesla, Generac, Solaredge are all major players with a ton of sales. I'm sure that will change as batteries evolve, but for now I guess there's a lot of people who aren't in their right mind?
@@benssolarandbattery - There's a lot of people who are not up-to-speed on developments in battery technology. It's also fair to say that there is way more demand than any single chemistry can meet. When you understand the pros and cons of each, discerning customers are going to insist on LFP or LMFP for home storage. There are plenty of people who are not discerning, if that's what you're alluding to.
@@jasonbroom7147 How do you feel about lead-acid batteries?
@@fredflintstone1428 - I look at lead-acid as a necessary evil for things like cranking batteries for vehicles or in situations where things get really cold. For most solar or off-grid energy backup systems, lead-acid is no longer a good value.
Your thought process on that subject is old. The Tesla power wall is out selling many battery-based products and it is an NMC. And the cobalt is not coming from seven-year-old children in Africa. 😂
I wouldn't want a Tesla Powerwall either because they can do what they want to your battery bank through a government order. For example, turn it off. Even if you are totally off grid but on the Internet. Ask Californians
Yeah thats not ideal. This unit does not NEED to be connected to the internet, but if you choose not to, you go from a 10 year warranty to a 5 year. Also, I'm not sure that the monitoring would work, but you can monitor and do everything from the screen.
and this is exactly why I asked about Internet requirements. Curious that they cut the warranty in half for not giving them your data. The equipment and reliability should be the same. Its a penalty for not giving them your data. major turn off and not someone I want to do business with.
@@mattgirgenti3595 I don't know the exact reason for it, but I do know that with Tesla, they will let you know if there's an internal error and troubleshoot remotely. I can assume that this is pretty much the same, but you do have a point about the data as well.
This is not true about Tesla Powerwalls that you own. This is only true if you sign up to be a part of a VPP virtual Power Plant network. They give you additional encintive to participate in VPP project.
But for 99% of Residential Tesla Powerwall Battery you have full control of your system configuration.
I would not recommend a Tesla Powerwall system for a full home solution offgrid since there are not as many features for Generator control, etc.
But your statement above is incorrect. My company was the first Certified Powerwall Installer in San Diego since 2015.
FYI alot of miss information on the internet today.
@@dustinmerkley7303 thanks for skimming some of the BS out of this comment section.
Interesting to watch, but unfortunately, NMC is a hard pass for me.
Why is that a turn down for you it being Nmc chemistry
@@Shmade0304LiFEPO4 is safer
@@Shmade0304 thermal runaway and overall high volatility compared to lithium iron phosphate. The reason lithium batteries can’t be on a passenger plane? Lithium NMC.
Why? Because you think that technology is static and that it never improves? Do your homework and you will find that it is mainly a battery management issue and that the thermal runaway temperature difference is only 100° F. 🙄
@@user-ke9yk5qp3u Sounds great! I'll go do my homework, thanks!
I appreciate the video. They lost me at lithium NMC cells. The danger of that chemistry is not worth the energy density. If these companies would make a lithium iron phosphate version I think people would be more apt to buy. I don’t think the buyers of these realize the danger of a very large lithium NMC battery bank in their house. Maybe I’m overly cautious but it’s worth not burning my house down 😂
All your devices have LFP battery?
@@nicolozak no, but they’re rarely multiple cells in series and never several kilowatt hours of energy. Look up videos of failure testing of different lithium chemistries. Lithium iron phosphate is the clear winner from a safety perspective and it’s not close at all. I’ll take something twice the size and weight if it is as safe as LFP.
@@nicolozak the only battery chemistry I use for solar projects is lithium iron phosphate.
@@diyrenewableenergyelectron4996 if you know how to do things there's no risk.
@@nicolozak there’s always risk.
Nope LG has SCREWED over every one of their customers that bought resu, among many other of their products I will never hang another lg product again
I was hesitant when the LG Chem with Storedge came out, and rightfully so. This system as a whole has a lot more potential than any LG Chem paired with Solaredge, though, and the fact that it's an entire system in itself will increase the support given to it. I'm hopeful that LG Electronics has learned from LG Energy Solution. So far, it seems like a solid product with good support.
@@boblatkey7160 So you just get to change your name and suddenly the felon has a clean record? The MERE fact that they shuttered one division then instantly spun up another under a different legal entity is reason to not drink their tainted coolaid .. don't be ignorant. and their damages are in the Hundreds of millions of dollars
So if you go to a restaurant and there happens to be a bad cook that day does that mean you will never ever go to that restaurant again in your life? Such a narrow minded point of you there sir.
Sup chatty Cathy’s
Why would you say that you don’t want to share your opinion about Tesla? With all due respect, that is what the video is for, YOUR OPINION. If you’re going to talk shit, then talk shit please.
In this particular video, I'm also representing the company I work for.
@Ben's Solar and Battery start you own company dude, work on your license it takes a little while but so worth it.
@Solar Tech I am a master electrician already, but at this point in my life with little kids I really enjoy working for someone else and being able to leave work at work. The benefits and pay are great too.
@@SolarTechFL I am a journeyman electrician here in canada and have been for over 25 years. I have been watching this channel for a while and think most stuff is pretty fair. but to then makes claims like this and leave the important bit out is where I find it dishonest.
@@benssolarandbattery Yikes. Yes, people get to choose who they serve in this world. But if you are an honest teacher/ reviewer/ advisor you ALWAYS disclose all of your conflicts and biases. This in not just my opinion. I am a professional auditor. In many circumstances, failure to disclose conflict with financial elements is a crime. In any other circumstances where there is a public interest, it is still extremely unethical to fail to do so. Reputable businesses and professionals always disclose financial conflicts. Ben, all of your work is tainted. I want to believe it was not your intention to deceive people. You really should make a "full disclosure" video.